Touker Battles To Stop Peter "The Bulldozer" Jones | Dragons' Den
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- Steven Holmes generated £100,000 within three months of trading but still holds down his day job - so why does he need a full-time day job?
Steven entered The Den seeking £60,000 in return for 10% of his business. Soccer Stars creates personalised football comic books for children and solely relies upon licensing from top-tier football clubs. However, The Dragons sense a lack of confidence from the founder... 📖
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I felt scared for Jenny. She nearly had to invest
@@karendelaney7456 calm down Karen for goodness sake.
@Tyrant Kragith who ever named you that needs to be locked away in a secure unit.
Kirky boy if anyone needs calming its you its really not that serious. Someone's looking for a fight.
Wonder which one of the other dragons she would have borrowed the cash from
Rebel rob good question won't be Deborah or Peter have a feeling they would tell her f u get a job lady
"you've run a business for 3 months, why haven't you given up your whole career!?"
Captain Obvious hahaha totally right.
@Frank O'Dwyer It's clearly a tactic to undermine his confidence and get a better deal. The way all 5 of them jumped on it, it's pretty clear it was a very promising and profitable investment. He already has contracts with clubs as powerful as Man City.
Their mindset makes no sense, right?!
He's in a well paying job, he has a business idea..he is clearly able to manage this new venture while still doing his day job. What's the problem then? Why is it mandatory that someone must abandon their stability in order to show their confidence in their new business? Flipping idiotic logic from the Dragons.
@@timchambers55 don't makes sense for you maybe
The point is that if you can make your years wage in 3 months and you aren’t thinking about quitting your job, you are basically saying “I don’t think I can make 75% less than last quarter, it was random luck”
Does Peter not understand that everyone isn’t rich?
"No no no, that doesnt stick"
Well, that guy should be unless he's pissing all his income away.
He’s got 10 million quid in the bank I doubt he does
nope. only jenny understand coz she is poor n out
I won't have chosen him
Touker: I'm gonna make you an offer. The offer is a fourth of the money, for 100% of the company, your wife and one of your kidneys.
Both kidneys
And some office space in london
Well my wifes imaginary, who.wants a.plague gods kidneys anyway, and 100.percent well.you run it and pay me. A bit higher than my current salary have at it.
Toukdr = Brit Mr. Wonderful
Touker: but remember, my offer, is because I will be managing most of the company, and dealing with your wifes issues within the house.
any male: Deal.
Every deal Peter gets he grows an extra inch
You're not wrong. When he hugged the guy at the end it was like David and Goliath.
On his wallett
Now I know how Peter became so tall.
killler240 haha he’s like 6’7. Must have kept growing until a very late age of like 26 (for those wondering if that’s possible, yes it is given your testosterone levels)
According to PopBitch, he has a tiny todger lol. Someone saw it in a gents.
Jenny: This is prime exit material so im in.
She just can't wait to get out.
I know! I was so surprised that she actually said it!
Forgive my stupidity. But by exit do they mean build the business and then sell it for s hit ton of money?
@@TheDantheman12121 yep
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Everyone commenting on the dragons but nobody has addressed how good of a salesman this guy is
Yeah that was the best pitch and overall performance in a very long while.
Yeah, though he is a £110k+ sales director so it's almost a given that he was slick and smooth.
He could have gotten Peter down to 20% if he had negotiated
I don't think his pitch was THAT good, definitely not bad either. It was mostly thanks to him having a good product, brand and business idea. It all compliments each other.
A GOOD salesperson can sell you a turd when you willingly know it is.
He just got the deal because he already had licenses in major soccer teams.
I would be honored to have a beer with Peter Jones and just have him tell me what a dissapointment i am.
can I come? I need him to tell me that too! x
Wtf haha
100%😭🤣🤣
Kayzi Shedi id feel like i would have nightmares 😭😂😂😂
Hahahahahahhhahaahhaha
I'm surprised Peter didn't ask for a cut of his day job.
Underrated comment!
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Even when she made an offer Jenny had to make sure she'd be able to get out later
12:43 this is the relief on her face
you are so funny
Because any good investor would want to do the same. So your joke isn't really a joke this time.
@@ZygimantasA It is cos Jenny was the only one who pointed it out
That's Jenny's whole strategy, though. She doesn't like businesses where she has to commit too much time or effort or sees low returns. She doesn't want to run the business long term; she wants to sell out quickly. I think (and in all fairness I might be very wrong here) Jenny seems to make offers only for those business who know what they do, where they're going, and won't require too much effort on her part. Compare that to Deborah, who seems to not mind having a nurturing role or a slightly long-term investment as much.
The more I watch these the more I see that Touker is an absolute gentleman.
Same he has turned into my fav dragon
I watch loads of dragons den, i always thought touker is positive, confident, fun and kind, i like peter but hes very serious and a little negative. Taj is class he just talks business... Debora and peter are a bit more drama and hollywood
@grandexporter and jenny is out 🤣🤣🤣
“I’ll go with you Peter.”
*Jenny breathes a sigh of relief.
Spoileerrrr
Excuse me Peter Jones but this guy needs his job as a blanket to fall on. Not everyone is a multi-millionaire who can be unaltered if their start-up business fails....not everyone has that comfort.
Well, Start-Up is all about Risk. And being a sales director and been worked in a business Dragons have invested, he would get a new job easily if this StartUp fails. It's his idea and if he isn't gonna take risk how can a investor risk his money in it?
@@vedxgaming8216 a multi millionaire investing a few 10's of thousands or even 100-200k is way different than a person gambling their family's ENTIRE income. bare in mind the investors don't put all of their time in they have other projects too.
touker is right it's n.a. entirely understandable position. would any dragon gamble all of their yearly income on something thay worked for a few months only? no chance.
He actually had start up businesses that failed, he had to sell his house and car and move back in with his family. Sure he shouldn't apply his ethics to others necessarily, but it's his money, I think he's in the right to.
Point is he takes 75 grand is not committed to making a return for the investor, you get investors you answer to them that is how it works..
Running a start up is more than a full time job. The issue is that if the owner is working 40-60 hours a week on their full time then they can’t really dedicate themselves to the business.
peter :"I'd rather contract cancer than join you're company.... and thats why im gonna make you an offer"
I feel sad for touker. Most of the time he gives offers and gets rejected.
He must be devastated wiping his tears with all his money 😪
Touker asked for too much. If he offered 30%, and maybe an office in london, he might've gotten it.
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Pwhahahahhaha 😂
That was a dam good offer. Basically a franchise at 40% 😲 Go to your day job and rake in 60% of what Touker and his team generate. It's the best offer I've ever seen in the den.
Steve Salt i would always have taken toukers offer. You get to keep your life while having a chance to make millions...
You've got to love Touker realising he'd messed it up then backtracking. "That includes me coming round and cooking breakfast for you every morning."
He didn't mess it up, he had a different offer than the rest and wanted to make sure the entrepreneur knew it. He was nearly offering a free ride for the owner, so of course wanted more in return.
@@MaxLennon I would have taken his offer. The guy could have had it without risking his current life. He might have had less money at the end of the day, but he would have had less risk of getting it. He would have had 2 legs to fall back on. Touker's help and his dayjob. He threw that away for Peter's offer.
Peter's mind game tactic:
1. Be critical of entrepreneur and / or business model so entrepreneur feels rejection.
2. Reversal of previous statements with surprisingly positive offer so entrepreneur feels relief and liked so is more likely to accept over other offers on table.
I mean it's a bit more than that, he's the most sought after Dragon regardless of his mind tactic
@@Basket69 Using Peters own logic against him, if every drago nwants him his attention will be stretched.
@@IamMuldeh understandable, have a great day
Yeh its basic stong arm Stockholm syndrome tactic psychology.
@@lunarmystic9896 like the good cop bad cop strategy they use at interrogations.
Peter is mad because the guy wants to work a job to keep his startup? These people have been rich for so long they forget what it is like to be a normal person
Not wanting to throw away your entire career is just a lack of confidence lmao
Over 100k job wow no wonder he didn't want to let go
Or they might have an idea or two about running a company 🤦
I'm necroing this thread, but that's exactly what Peter did aswell wasn't it?
@Thomas Buchovecky 😂😂😂😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Jenny: This is prime exit material and it's something i'm very well acquainted in
Ya dont say
Haha. This is a hilarious comment.
Underrated comment. She actually said that without laughing out loud.
Touker “it comes at a price” suleyman.
Jimmy Burke should also be:
Touker ‘my offices in London’ Suleyman
I like touker. Hes so right. Hes a very reasonable man. It's not fair for peter to put the entrepreneur on the spot like that. Those details can be worked out later. One of the conditions of the deal could be that he is agreeable to leave his job under the right circumstances. A dragon on board is priceless to me. I would go as high as 49% to get a dragon on board. I can see amazing possibilities with his company. Great concept. Great pitch and great business owner. It's a win ,win, win combination!
Some of the Dragons, like Deborah for example are useless and don't provide anything. Some of them on the other hand will make your business with their contacts.
Dragons don't make deals on... "oh... we can sort that bit out later"
i disagree you shouldn't let someone take advantage of you like that just because of who they are, you should stand your ground, they are greedy and want as much money as possible you shouldnt make it easy for them
@@Serfdomftw You clearly don't know alot about Deborah then. She's easily the greatest business person in the UK rn. She's transformed business
@@6timesbabyyy996 Yeh for sure, that's why her portfolio mostly went nowhere. She has like 99% failures and 1% that actually made it big because the product sold itself.
Everyone else here spend every single lunch break watching these?
Watching it on my lunch break as we speak 🤣🤣
Lol eating my lunch as I type this.
I just come here to read the comments about jenny
@J C wow aren't you a big boy, hey!
I was watching this while working lol
Touker was the right person for this deal. He should've gone with Touker. And it's not because Peter was asking critical and blunt questions of the entrepreneur, but because Touker 1) Allowed him stability with his job and 2) He already has a team in place. He even offered to run the business for him for 40%! This was a no-brainer!
Agreed. Retaining control and 60% whilst Touker has a massive interest in letting the business do well......this offer was fantastic.
He was looking for someone to help him grow his business not to sell it
I swear it’s gotten to the point where I think Jenny honestly just comes for a free glass of water.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ummm, she made an offer in this video?
@@tibor29 yes under the knowledge that she had the cushion of the far more credible dragons who are also alot more attractive (business wise) in the entrepreneurs eyes than herself.
Hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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How nice it must be to be in a £100,000+ a year job to start with.
crazy! what did he say his job was?
@@user-dn2oi9fj8k "A sales director for a data management company".
He obviously has great skills and work ethic to achieve a $120,000 job.
Defo I'm on 44k and I feel so so comfertable so imagine 110k a year!!!
What's that £5800 after tax Pay slip every month lol
@Bigtombowski Hi mate I'm Site manager of a Motorway service brand and live alone with my son at weekends,
Even with a family imagine nearly 6k in your account every month Daaaaamm
Peter: So you're telling me you're not willing to abandon your wife and children in exchange for my money?
so when are we renaming this as Peter's Den? lol
KashiHD honestly, my favorite dragon
When he hits 7 ft
When he's 6 feet four
Hello peters, I'm here today.....
You forget how huge Peter is when he's sitting down
Tuker is fantastic here, he calls out Pete for his hypocrisy whilst also advising the entrepreneur on his sensible decision to stay in his job. Peter was am arse here, no doubt about it.
He's a sales director, had 5 offers on the table, meaning every single dragon was really interested in securing the investment, yet not once did he try negotiate a better deal with any of the 5 dragons. Scary.
Their website says the deal didn't go through in the end, probably just wanted the free advertising
@@stevechristie2569 ew
@@KaylaCherrie Kayla are you aged 25-35?
I’m just waiting for an entrepreneur to walk in and say “Hi Sharks” and then calmly turn around and walk to call for the elevator
Why is there boss music when Peter makes his pitch?
IKR
Peter the magic dragon
Acutally love it when they do that, gives me them anime feels
Did someone say boss music😳😳 and in comes sonic the hedgehog to jump on Peter Jones😂🤣😂🤣
Because he's the Boss
Wish they did an episode of how it goes after an investment.
There's a few good ones but they could definitely do more!
He dropped Peter Jones in the end and runs it as a family business. Not sure why.
@@gatelord this happens alot with Peter from what I've seen. A lot of deals fall through after the show when they realise he's not really offering that much.
@Mathew 6, indeed
Here's a nice record of all agreed investments. About half never move forward when the cameras turn off
www.tigermobiles.com/dragons-den/
The clever thing about a dragons den you tube, is it shines light on a lot of these busineses, I've looked up quite a few myself. It's extra advertisement along with you tube revenue.
When Jenny said: "this is prime exit material", she then made him a sharp offer, followed by a sharp exit from the deal.
I get worried that Peter might be depressed when he comes on unshaven.
Actually feel bad for touker on this one, it was clearly a half tactic half genuine concern for the mans job and wellbeing with his family, but it still felt like he knew the struggles. he was the first to offer an Investment and unfortunately for him that means he easily got undercut by the other dragons
Jenny "i'm out" Campbell isn't wrong about being familiar with exit material.
Peter's strategy always seems to demolish the entrepreneurs by looking for a weakness in their plan, then say "but, actually, I like the idea and I've got exactly what you need to make it happen, so you should take my offer.".
Wonderful self awareness from Jenny when she said "I know a thing or two about prime exit material"
If I was in his shoes.... would have negotiated with touker, as soon as the other offers were on the table touker began to panic, he’s never at the top end of the equity steak.
Would have started negotiating at 30% and had a cut off of 35% keep the 100k salary, and take another 50-60 net profit after touker got his slice! Simple.....
yep. I would've even accepted 40 tbh. he literally offered to run the business for him didnt he? imagine having 60% of a business u dont have to worry about running and also keeping a 100k+ career job. his business would become his passive income.
Yeah he could of got him down to 35% easy
Jenny chews her tongue at 1:35 since she knows already that Manchester City is out for the 2019/20 season and wishes she was too....
She supports Manchester United.
@@takeAstabzzz Yup - maybe she's chewing her tongue in anticipation
Nick h not really because this way older than the 19 league plus loserpool ain't winning the title.
Lol the suggestion that someone can't handle more than one job at once has to be the most moronic thing I've heard on this show so far.
Jenny’s face at 12:44 when Peter said he’s gonna make an offer 😂😂
*Jenny trying not to be picked:* I'm going to make you an offer... all of the money for 99% of the business
Jenny : 11 strapping lads in a football team.. I'm IN
Or perhaps they're in...?
She wants them all to be In!!
What the f**k did Jenny just make an offer? I don’t believe my eyes.
She was bluffing it payed off.
Yeah, only because she checked if she could exit out in 5 years...lol
What the hell? He's not allowed to continue work and also run a business? Peter is an absolute clown.
Incorrect He is a rea entrepreneur . Not a part timer.
@@walkernick86 not a part timer? That’s the point of of his job he is a part timer in new businesses he takes stakes in other jobs
I love Touker, he always stays reserved and silent till he gives groundbreaking advice or questions
Touker mentioned the team that could run the business but forgot to mention the office space. That would surely have sealed the deal.
Peter “Bulldozer” Jones was one of the finest left backs from the 80s. Made over 300 appearances for Oldham Athletic before his controversial move to Dragons Den
Is that true?
No way this guy is this dumb
@Jonathan Murray Thanks for that fascinating bit of trivia. I'm off to see if I can find any clips of those legs back in the day. Happy days!
lmao 🤣
Peter was trying to find fault so reduce its value and take a bigger slice later.
Touker was right, he had every right to keep his business.
He should have negotiated.
Every time Peter stands up it still shocks me how big he is
I would have taken Touker's offer for 40%, then let his team run the business and collect the passive income. In comparison he got an extra 15% from Peter but he will likely he have to do 95% of the work. If the business does 100k profit, he's now just committed all his time and effort to making an extra 15k per year - poor decision.
Wonder why he went with Peter with all other dragons in. Gotta say touckers offer seemed prime; he’d stay at his day job while his company gets run for him by experts and passively makes him a ton of money
That could be a hostile takeover though.
@@jarednil69 Eh, not really. Can't take it over without 51%
Peter is clearly a favourite on this panel. I don’t know what it is about him but he’s just so darn unique.
The stare & silence, the straight shooting, the “quick maths”(shot out big Shaq). I see the appeal.
shot out?
Absolutely wow
Jenny actually made an offer?
Shes usually screaming she's out the second she gets her free samples 🤣
"Since I am known as a benchwarmer, I'm out." - Jenny
Jenny, was not sure if she had all the money to back up her offer. lol
If this guy brought his product to South America and could get the licensing from the big clubs it would sell like water.
Ive always noticed South America is loyalty central for fans. there are even a lot of bands and musicians that arent as popular now, but if you look at where most of their listens are from on spotify, South America is keeping them going.
"After a grilling for 70 minutes (the edit lasts only 7 minutes that you see on TV) Stephen achieved the rare accolade of receiving offers from all five Dragons! After careful consideration shaking hands with Peter Jones. Fast forward a few months and it was decided not to work with Peter, instead remaining a family run business which we are to this day"
Shame how most deals don't actually work out in the end. Makes the show less interesting when you know that someone getting a deal in the den doesn't really mean that much.
Good for him!
All of the offers were crap anyway. If I were one of the dragons I would have taken his initial proposal. £100,000 profit in the first 3 months, and looking like his business will only grow. I wouldn't be surprised if I made all my money back in the first year.
@@ghgdtgzxfg6960 £100k gross profit. The net profit will be much lower
How do you know this?
A rare spectacle, yeh because Jenny never offers.
Honestly, can the camera operators relax?
6:59
Apparently not
I like how he picked the guy who gave him the hardest time, perhaps it's a psychological tactic? Being hyper critical at first then doing a 180 can be surprisingly effective.
A v rich man telling him he cant work the jobs he feels like to maintain security for his family.
**Steve hands Jenny personalised book with Jenny’s name on**
Jenny: Steve, Hi I’m Jenny
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"number 7, is that a midfielder" no jenny, it's a number.
I'm out
Football reference tho...
CR7
And said that she is a "Man U" fan
Jenny: I think this is prime EXIT material and that's something I'm very well acquainted with.
Literally every viewer: You don't say...
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touker's offer made the most sense. He'd have been left with a 60% stake in a business that other people did the graft on !
My thoughts exactly mate
agreed - but Pete has those connections - his affiliation with tennis was the game changer
Yeah but they wouldn't do that graft for free. They would bill the company every month possibly leaving very little profit; i.e. 60% of not a lot.
Jenny to herself: *phew* close one.
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Peter ‘I make the viewer think that I’m not going to invest but PLOT TWIST I am investing’ Jones
Butters Peter up with “I know you like Tennis” after he’s been grueled just minutes earlier. Pretty good salesman lol
He recognised a high level sales pitch from peter and hung in there. He's a company director himself and alluded to knowing about the ''game'' in the post interview. Part of business is being tough, genuine and hanging in there and sometimes working with people that vehemently disagree with you, or pretend to...
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Entrepreneur: "I've got a wife and two daughters."
Peter: "No. No. No. Leave them."
I'll give you 50k today, but I want 25% of your wife and 33% of your daughter. If I get my money back I'll go down to 20% after a year.
They always choose Peter Jones over the others, when there are competitive offers!
Reliability I guess. Him and Deborah are the only original ones left so the people that come in know they're good long-term.
He’s the best salesman, he pitches them on himself which is why he always gets them
True, and it winds Touker up the most. You can see it on his face lol
@@lukeporter6186 Totally agree and to be fair, if i ever went in i would want Peter or Deborah
I'd rather have Tej - he seems just as switched on as Peter, and probably better to work with. More often than not, when Tej makes an offer, the others simply copy him.
Wow. didn't realize Peter is 9 feet tall.
He’s 6”7
This is a genius idea. It can go from sports to fantasy or science fiction and so on. Good for him and best of luck.
Like the way he shaked all the dragons hands after , great business hope he goes far
12:40 Peter: "i'm gonna make you an offer"
Jenny's expression: "that's me out"
That man really is a salesman. Never seen anyone have such good responses.
This guy was really good. One of the cleanest and sharpest pitches on DD yet.
Thanks!
I absolutely loved that, and well done on the editing, sneak peek at the beginning.
Jenny: I'm in
Steven: I'm out
The reason Peter Jones is so tall, is so that he can look down on everyone 😂
Peter has grown too comfortable asking people how much money they make on national TV.
Peter is being very unthoughtful and unreasonable, lets say his job generates about 120k and his bussiness 100k, thats about 60% of the money gone. Then they want 30% of that bussiness. Which leaves about about 20 - 30 or so percent of his income. He has a family that he has to take care of which that small amount of money wont even cover. Then he'll have absolutely nothing to invest in his bussiness. Very short sighted and rich coming from peter
100k in 3 months. I think Peter wanted to point out if he was willing to sacrifice something for success.
@@00Kuja00 true but no matter how much you believe in something, you diversify your assets, your income streams. It's insurance against your own bias and life.
Peter was out of his mind
Peter slept in a warehouse while recuperating from heavy losses in his late twenties. He knows everything about sacrifice and needing to work hard for success.
@@Bollibompa But his wife and kids were not sleeping in a warehouse with him.
Love that he shook all their hands. Everyone should do this if they have half a brain, regardless of the outcome of their pitch.
But what should they do if they have a complete brain?
Yes, it's very polite. People forget that these days.
Why?
And spread germs
I think most entrepreneurs do that. It just doesn't make it to the final edited video
Peter "You dont need me, so thats why I'm gonna make you an offer" Jones.
or
Peter "here's my expected bait and switch line" Jones.
I got my son the Celtic one of these and he absolutely loved it. Great product
The only pitch that had me on the edge of my seat and butterflies in my stomach. This guy is so investable! You can see the sharpness of his mind and he is honest and genuine. Peter plays a good game. He made the guy reconsider keeping his job and by default, the entrepreneur gravitated toward the most intense emotional challenge. This a fantastic display of Peter's negotiation, manipulation and domination skills! No wonder why this f****r is filthy rich. Perfect display of dog eat dog attitude. I don't agree with it but it is what it is.
When the business fails and the quit his job...
Peter: it´s a risk, boi
Love the look on Peters face whenever someone makes an offer before him on something he’s pretending not to want before he makes an offer 🙄😂
This guy is so professional, I love it. This guy is top self for sure, I haven’t finished but if he leaves without a deal I’ll be devastated
3.24 Tej looks at Jenny thinking "you're wasting his time asking him questions.. you dont invest" !! Have a look at his face (lol)
I would never take Peters offer just for the principals . Yup , but I am not a business men and I am an Asperger so 😅😅😅, I don’t expect everyone to do the same .
i think peter does this for tactical advantage - like make the other dragons not make an offer...but yeah toukers offer was sound - keep his job and have a team run the company for him, whilst he makes tons of cash from tht - peter only got this through his affiliation with tennis....that was the game changer
Why would he leave a job making 100k + when he’s already made 100k from the business whilst working and made double makes no sense leaving
The fact is the job hes working wont grow much more past that anymore, but the business can grow still alot more, 100k in that kind of business could be considered small stuff.
when deborah goes from "i dont see future, it's not personalised" to "I see a lot of potential in this"...this man is a better sales man than sales men
Whenever Peter is in, he always gets it 😂 the other dragons faces when he makes an offer is so funny! 😂
Really overdoing it on the music this season
Hearing 40% I thought F'off, I wonder what he thought himself.
But touker was allowing the guy to keep his job whilst everything be done for him so it was more about security if the product failed
@@leecarroll5994 does not change me reaction to it...
@@psychominded3243 it was a good offer. 40% and you can sit back and reap the benefits if it's successful while keeping your 6 figure stable income. He'll get 60k a year if profits maintain for doing nothing. I would have taken that offer.
@@mark0032 fair play. 40% was just too high for my liking.
Probably why he went with the 25%.
holly crap when peter approach someone he looks like a giant warrior
This was a great one! Didn't expect him to accept Jones' offer.