I missed 3 ~90 hit attacks in a row playing Thracia and lost Leaf. The throne was in range on the next turn. I have never felt this more than I did when that happened. Man, I was a shit player
XCOM: Enemy Unknown: I'm not even gonna ask how you managed to miss an enemy with no cover who you were pointing your gun directly at, just know that you're gonna have to facetank the rocket I fire to defuse the situation.
I think the main reason XCOM game misses feel so bad even when their RNG is reliable and accurate is because of the animation. Regardless of how high or low the hit rate is, sometimes when you miss, you see the gun firing into the enemy, the bullets passing right through them and still it displays as a "miss". Maybe instead of having a firing and missing animation, a "Weapon Jam" animation that plays when you miss an enemy really up close might have helped mitigate the frustration a bit.
We tend to fall into a mentality that "probable = guaranteed, improbable = never", and then when this inevitably proves false, we begin to lean too far the other way into a "Murphy's Law" mentality. That's when we start saying things like "of *course* my 90% missed and the enemy got a 5% crit on a 20% hit chance, this RNG is rigged!" in an attempt to make excuses for our own mistakes.
Confirmation bias and selective memory is the exact same thing that cause people to think that the Battle Frontier/Towers in Pokémon cheat as well. Humans just don't really have a good grasp on probability.
The pitfall here is clearly trusting the RNG. If your hit rate is anything below 100%, you might as well kill that worthless unit who can't even reach 100% hit.
Rule of thumb that I learned from Agent Elrond back in the day. If the enemy has a chance to crit, make sure you cant die from said crit. Same thing applies to hit rate (which many people who played Fates can agree that low hit rates on an enemy doesn't mean they can't hit. RIP Hana).
I have found that this is one of the more fun things about Melady in FE6. I'd sometimes be facing off against Killing Edge Heroes using a character with about 10 Luck, and I wouldn't be worried at all because it just means they're doing 12 damage instead of 4.
Everything above 90 feels like a guarantee, anything below 60 feels like taking a risk. That's why terrains and supports are important, so you can improve your chances. But excuse me, I'll keep blaming the RNG if the enemy hit connects under 30 consecutively, that's just BS.
@Hollow Shell I mean, 30% is still low, and you don't expect consecutive 30 hit attacks to hit, do you? That's a 9% chance, and with 2 roll it's even lower. I think OP can call the RNG BS on that one.
@@red5t653 9% isn't even *that* low. That's roughly one out of every 10 times, and considering how many battles you have in FE, it's no where near RNG BS.
Excellent video, mekkah. I've been trying to explain how this stuff works to people for almost 3 years now, and you've summed it up in an easy-to-digest format. Well done, and I will show this video to everyone I know
"I try to avoid risky fights where someone could die" (not exactly like that quoted) -Asvel warping in against a boss who has a 4% chance of killing him B O I
I will say that yea, I understand what you’re saying, but then again, I distinctly remember one time in Sacred Stones where I missed with a 91% and then getting hit by a 38% that then CRIT with 2%
Excellent video Mekkah, I can't tell you how many times I've facepalmed when someone falls prey to confirmation bias when talking about FE6 RNG. Those people need to wake up and watch this video every day until they understand probability.
Lord Tellus 9 I mean, the deal with stuff like Earthbound is that the formula takes into account what your stats are. FE on the other hand doesn't give a fuck if you're stat screwed.
Other games like the Elder Scrolls and Fallout grant you a set (or random) amount of points which you can allocate to whichever stat you wish to raise. I would prefer something like that in Fire Emblem. Keep the total points given random, but give me some control over a unit's stats. Most FE games can be beaten with zero growths, and that's a good testament to how well designed these games are. But it could be a little less frustrating for causal players.
This episode reminds me a lot of XCOM players having to learn the hard way that 90 is not 100, 10 is not 0, and the RNG is not screwing you over when 1 out of 10 of those scenarios goes the wrong way.
It's one thing if a couple encounters have unexpected results. But when an 50 hit, 8 crit boss crits you, you heal up, then it crits you again, I blame the game. I think I played well. Of course I could always be safer. But you can still get screwed when playing well
actually, dodghing 1 out of 3 attack with 30% display hit in GBA FE, I would consider that a decent backup plan. That has a 99.39% chance of success because 2RN is brrrrroken. Of course, ideally you want the 100% CoS but that isn't always possible I guess.
I had actually been told on multiple occasions that FE7 was the first to use 2 RNs, but from what was demonstrated looks like all those who said it wasnt were misguiding me. Thanks mekkah. Look forward to more
Thank you Mekkah, now every time I see someone saying that FE6 RNG is broken I can save effort on explanations and simply show them this video instead.
I've been playing FE10 recently, and I feel like I'm being put into a lot of situations where I'm forced into gambling on low hit rates to just make it through a turn. It's working out for me, but I'm playing suboptimally.
In general I agree with this but sometimes there is just nothing you could have done. If you miss a unit with your entire team things can go wrong. It's definitely the case if one or two battles in a turn go wrong. But sometimes it's ridiculous.
Actually, I find Heroes to be the least gambly FE tho. Ditching hit rates and criticals in favor of skills finally makes the gameplay actually feel strategic. I'n not defending the game's gacha BS, but damn, deterministic outcomes is a gameplay improvement I waited so long for.
Rule of thumb is always engage with the worst result in mind possible, Aka you miss and the enemy crits you, and then plan to mitigate said chance. It can be somewhat slower but you won't get killed.
This is literally my biggest issue... Chance based events aren't the issue, chance based events literally trashing 20 to 30 minutes of game play are. A crit being the difference between a survivable hit and immediate death 95% of the time is the issue. Not to mention linking stats in an RPG to chance is literal trash.
@Dude Mcboy calm down there son. ironic telling people to grow up. gettting mad at someone for being mad. geez, take your whiny ass somewhere else and quit bitching at people.
From my very limited understanding of the GBA games, I think enemies are more likely to crit than you. If the game uses double roll for your crits, but uses single roll for an enemy crit rate, you get unintentionally nerfed, because crit rates aren't likely to break over 50. I haven't found anything that confirms or denies the idea that the game uses double roll for crits, but I have seen some evidence that enemies use single roll.
thanks for taking out of your time to make this videos. my perseption of you is that you cone out very condecending and opinieded but i most admit im learning a lot from you. i am amazed at how every playthough of fire emblen i get better and better truly this game is a wonder. if i can be so bold and impart some constructive criticism i apologize it is i that comes now has intrusive. you might try to talk a bit slower and use more visual examples when tackling the more mathematical concepts. (most people learn by watching our experimenting so visual queues in key moments are effective) also i recomend summarizing your points in a simple but pragmatic when you end your videos. sometimes you give us to much information so a nice summary of the key points might help us get the concentrate of your videos thank you for your assistance.
My Lute still hasn't gotten any defence in level ups after 25 levels. The only defense I've gotten was from a dragon shield and the mage knight promotion bonus. I know the growth rate is low, it just really surprised me. I didn't think it was *that* low. I expected more from 15% but that's RNG for ya. She makes up for it by being an absolute canon though.
I once had Oscar miss four enemy-turn counterhits in the FE9 Serenes Forest chapter. He then proceeded to miss a fifth hit on the player phase. Given that his labeled hit rate was between 65-75 (depending on which of the four I tried to target), I'm just going to chalk that one up to an isolated incident of genuinely bad luck in conjunction with a dubious strategy that involved using not-Titania to execute it. Mostly, things go the way I expect them to... though, of course, I've had my fair share of lucky 30% hits and unfortunate 80% misses!
"How can players avoid falling for this pitfall?" Play Pokemon for about a month and only let them use stuff like Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, and Take Down. That shit'll straighten you out right quick. Bonus points if it's also a nuzlocke.
Hey Mekkah , rng is very important when you play harder difficulties on the newer games , Lunatic( +) Awakening and Lunatic reverse FE12 are good exemple of that , to complete either of those mode you need to get very good level up rng , which involves a lot of reseting , also a single point of speed can make a difference between a character killing half the map or doing nothing . That being said , very good video .
One time by Eyvel Needed to Attack a Brigand and hit 4 times to bring him within range to be captured by Dagdar. She Hit both hits and then activated a Movement star, then she activated adept which would get the brigand killed but on the third strike she missed with 99 hit. I Love Thracia.
Thats why you always invest in skill. I had no problems with the Echoes rng and no one died on my run by combining hit rate increasing items and the turn wheel.
@@Juan-zs6jt Light weight weapons for doubling improves chances. Magic ignores terrain and most res is low so that helps too. If it doesnt work out, then Silque and Genny are there with physic. Bows have huge range, so missed shots have less consequences than other options. Skills can also be used with 1 range weapons that can dramatically improve hit rate if you absolutely need it.
@Hollow Shell 6 different times on 1RN with presumably a 1% crit chance (ignoring hit here because it's a monk vs Nino) is a 1 in 10^12 chance. That is absolutely worthy of being called bullshit. Hell, even a single reset still ending up with a 1% crit is a stastical improbability so unlikely that in an average FE play through shouldn't ever happen even once (most games in the series get you to MAYBE 200-300 attacks, not the _10,000_ necessary to ensure repeat 1% crits) Getting crit once and yelling about it is dumb. But twice? On a RESET? That's completely valid.
I feel in general complaining about the RNG isn't exactly a pitfall as the RNG isn't exactly something that can be fixed since it's due to chance. That being said though the information given at the end about what strategies to use first on each turn makes a lot of sense and I am in agreement that if you know the game well enough then the only deaths you'll have will be because of the RNG. Great Pitfall vid as usual.
Thanks for the nice comment! The reason I think it's a pitfall is because if you blame your mistakes/deaths on the RNG you'll never improve as a player, so long term it'll make you play worse.
Amazing video as always! :) While certainly not the main topic of the video, i wouldve really liked a mention of fates weird RN system in the beginning where you explained the difference of 1RN/2RN with true hit below 50% and a sorta 3/2 RN above where 2 randoms are rolled but the first gets multiplied by 3 and added to the second, afterwards dividing by 4 (if i remember correctly), resulting in a weird function thats between 1RN and 2RN for the >50% rolls making Fates RNG feel really off compared to FE6-13. Though you didnt play Fates, so maybe you didnt know, so certainly no worries ^^
"FE6 rolls 100 at a 1/18 the rate of other numbers" So, they generate a random number from 0 to 65535, and divide by 655, and forgot to account for the small chance of being at least 65500?
RNG screwage can be a thing sometimes. Like for example a character say with like ~400% growths getting single stat-ups each level for 5 levels. But as this video states, it's not as rampant as some act.
that people don't understand rng technically isn't a good argument (or even an argument at all) against it being poorly designed though, whether on its own or only in combination with particular level designs or other systems
In Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War I parked Dew (right after recruitment in some forest tiles. I was laughing when the enemy tried attacking him with a 0% hit chance. It was not very funny though when the boss had a 4% hit chance. Thankfully my larger army managed to rescue him, but a 4% chance of instantly dying, was not a risk I was willing to take. So I had a race to save him before the RNG claimed him. Each turn in 1 out of 25 times, he would die. And I would have no idea if this would be the turn he would die.
Not really about RNG, but I'm playing FE8 on hard for the first time and having a blast. I've started early promoting, and I plan on not grinding at all. Having basically a second Seth after chapter 7 is insane. I'd argue Franz didn't need the promotion, (my first good Franz) and I should've capped Vanessa's speed before promoting, but I'll be ok. I'm also trying units I've never used before, like Seth, Garcia, and Moulder. It's still a shock to have Moulder rescue dropping lol. Speaking of low hit rates, how about those FE5 weapons. Gotta love 70 hit iron swords.
I only had it happen like once (I've had it happen like one or two times with Staves too.), but I swore it was a 100%. Now I know why. I guess I wasn't crazy after all.
A staff miss is much, much more likely, so he only got the 1 in 3 million chance once. I know there was someone somewhere who claimed it happened to him with weapons twice though.
Just yesterday, i fired up Radiant Dawn, did Normal Mode 1-1, and Edward took shots from 35-45% axe hits. not one dodge the entire map. Tanked every hit. Felt weird, but then i remembered Biorhythm might have been screwing with him (fast speed, so i didnt actually see the majority of hit rates, but i doubt the hitrates of a bunch of Iron Axe Brigands would vary too much past Biorhythm)
Its just hard to accept that probabilities are just that. The only way to avoid dying to 1% crits is careful planning, if you take a risk you will loose sometimes but it's up to you how many risks you take. I mean the games (apart from FoW maps, curse those) tend to give you all the information you need and you can take your time. RNG is NOT at fault for poor planning or risky moves.
It’s been several years so it’s certainly possible I’m misremembering, but I thought that I missed in FE8 with 100% hit before and the enemy hit me with less than 20% hit. So I’m not sure if some sort of glitch occurred or something swapping them. I have seen some glitches occasionally in my game though.
Mekkah, as true as you are on fact and the programming... When I have certain characters that repeatedly miss both hits of a double that is over 80 percent....ALL THE FRICKEN TIME!!!!! You can’t say I’m making a mistake by blaming the RNG. To the point that I hate Kent because everything hits him really hard and he misses everything.
9:20 it was probably a little dumb not to highlight the hit rate considering the menu of FE5. I knew it well enough, but I'd imagine a newcomer wouldn't
9:05 a better analogy would be if there were also a 000 and a 0000 space on the roulette wheel, because that is more what playing FE6 is like. You simply have worse odds than in other fire emblem games. I actually wish FE6 had 1 RN RNG, seeing my 84 displayed hit rate hit 10 times in a row was very weird. It happens but man 1 RN RNG is very different from 2 RN.
You’re either joking or likely just misremembering. Maybe there’s another obscure glitch, but it’s pretty unlikely given the fact that people actually know about the 100 hit miss
I swear, a 0-30 hit percent for me hits like 90% of the time. Not even exaggerating. I keep losing units because of this shitty RNG, then having to restart levels because those characters are ones I don't want to lose.
I would say it's safe to blame the RNG in some situations(in specific games), like in your first run of a map if reinforcements spawn in and get to act immediately, and they score those low% hits people love to complain about and kill someone.
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So… blaming the RNG is a Pitfall, but complaining about my absurd luck for three consecutive Let's Play's isn’t?
Correct.
Mangs = gay
It's a pitfall appearently
Haha mbangs you're bald
So many 69s
I don't blame RNG.
I just wonder what I did wrong to piss it off.
@Eliweed
You are pissing off the RNG if you constantly move the "invisible arrow" waaaaaay too much.
Great video, but I will keep blaming rng. I cannot save Leila and I beat fe7 hhm many times
Da Maverick Blast
Lol
Scripted Silencer!
We need to save FE7's true Best Girl somehow.
Neo G
Sorry, Limstella is evil
@@maverick5169
For you, she is evil.
She acts more like an AI than a human though.
XxxJim_ the_ ReaperxxX
I’m sorry, Eliwood. I can’t let you do that.
"Ugh, [insert unit here] is so bad, they literally NEVER hit anything for me but they ALWAYS have above a 95 hit chance! So garbage!!!!!!"
+Andrew Mingels
Lol Sophia,Gonzalez & Barth!
I missed 3 ~90 hit attacks in a row playing Thracia and lost Leaf. The throne was in range on the next turn. I have never felt this more than I did when that happened. Man, I was a shit player
Cae
+Cae
You should've RNG-abused.
Lol me with Hector this is the reason why I like Dorcas more than Hector
After XCOM games, I don’t even trust 90% when it comes to key hits.
I kid, but 1 RN hits create huge feel bad situations.
I grew up on XCOM so the idea of 2 RN is scandalous to me honestly
XCOM: Enemy Unknown: I'm not even gonna ask how you managed to miss an enemy with no cover who you were pointing your gun directly at, just know that you're gonna have to facetank the rocket I fire to defuse the situation.
I think the main reason XCOM game misses feel so bad even when their RNG is reliable and accurate is because of the animation. Regardless of how high or low the hit rate is, sometimes when you miss, you see the gun firing into the enemy, the bullets passing right through them and still it displays as a "miss". Maybe instead of having a firing and missing animation, a "Weapon Jam" animation that plays when you miss an enemy really up close might have helped mitigate the frustration a bit.
We tend to fall into a mentality that "probable = guaranteed, improbable = never", and then when this inevitably proves false, we begin to lean too far the other way into a "Murphy's Law" mentality. That's when we start saying things like "of *course* my 90% missed and the enemy got a 5% crit on a 20% hit chance, this RNG is rigged!" in an attempt to make excuses for our own mistakes.
*Laugh in missed 100% hit chance*
I mean, I did get critted by a 0% by Iago on my Rev Lunatic run...
@@MorphRed You jest but that's possible in FE6 actually
@@red5t653 Your kidding, right?
@@bryansanchez6352 Nope! In FE6, there is a small but not zero chance that a 100 Hit attack can still miss due to a slight error.
"The best thing to do when you die is to learn from your mistakes and try not to repeat them"
No! I'm enjoying my anger 😡😡😡
Mekkah needs a special thumbnail for ep.30
hahahahaha
Imagine the video being "Child Units" or Pair Ups
Confirmation bias and selective memory is the exact same thing that cause people to think that the Battle Frontier/Towers in Pokémon cheat as well. Humans just don't really have a good grasp on probability.
I have had a staff miss with 100 in FE6 before... for the enemy, so I lucked out.
It's really fun to use Fae as staff bait, those hit rates just plummet on her
The pitfall here is clearly trusting the RNG. If your hit rate is anything below 100%, you might as well kill that worthless unit who can't even reach 100% hit.
Nah, but even today, we learned that even a 100% Hit rate can backfire in FE6.
+TheoreticallyInsane
100 Hit Rutger never misses.
Well damn, guess we gotta kill everyone, they're all worthless.
not even seth reaches 100% hit most of the time
+DarthR0xas
R.I.P. Seth
#SwordmasterEmblem
Mekkah forces DonDon into Pitfalls, (GONE WRONG, GONE SEXUAL)
POLICE CAME
NOT CLICKBAIT
“I stay away from death chances... even small ones.”
Tell that to Asvel you monster!
Seriously though, great vid as always
Stark Raven
TFW!?
LUNATIC REVERSE!?
Rule of thumb that I learned from Agent Elrond back in the day. If the enemy has a chance to crit, make sure you cant die from said crit. Same thing applies to hit rate (which many people who played Fates can agree that low hit rates on an enemy doesn't mean they can't hit. RIP Hana).
That is me every time I use Arthur in Fates or Lucius in Blazing blade
good ole Agent Elrond,wished she actually did stuff these days.... oh well.
I have found that this is one of the more fun things about Melady in FE6. I'd sometimes be facing off against Killing Edge Heroes using a character with about 10 Luck, and I wouldn't be worried at all because it just means they're doing 12 damage instead of 4.
Everything above 90 feels like a guarantee, anything below 60 feels like taking a risk. That's why terrains and supports are important, so you can improve your chances. But excuse me, I'll keep blaming the RNG if the enemy hit connects under 30 consecutively, that's just BS.
@Hollow Shell I mean, 30% is still low, and you don't expect consecutive 30 hit attacks to hit, do you? That's a 9% chance, and with 2 roll it's even lower. I think OP can call the RNG BS on that one.
If several ~30% Hits connect, that's not the RNG being rigged, it's just awful luck. That's literally all there is to it. XD
@@red5t653 9% isn't even *that* low. That's roughly one out of every 10 times, and considering how many battles you have in FE, it's no where near RNG BS.
Hollow Shell
Bold of you to assume I get lucky!
Hollow Shell
Damn all I said was a joke about my bad luck, (A common joke btw) and you really out here replying with an essay.
Excellent video, mekkah. I've been trying to explain how this stuff works to people for almost 3 years now, and you've summed it up in an easy-to-digest format. Well done, and I will show this video to everyone I know
i don't think your mom gives a shit bro
Of course she doesn't. And.... why should I care about my stupid mother in the first place?
"I try to avoid risky fights where someone could die" (not exactly like that quoted)
-Asvel warping in against a boss who has a 4% chance of killing him
B O I
+Killua Zoldyck
"I don't pick fights I can't win."
-Mekkkah
AKA, jesus doesn't hate you
Good old 1/256 glitch.
This has nothing to do with it.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Yes, yes it does. A 100% hit rate can actually miss in FE6 as well.
@@butteredsalmonella i know (i've watched the video), but it has a completely different cause as well as a much lower chance of happening.
I'd blame your *good* rng for the misery that was Ronan's death.
I will say that yea, I understand what you’re saying, but then again, I distinctly remember one time in Sacred Stones where I missed with a 91% and then getting hit by a 38% that then CRIT with 2%
In three houses s poor enemy got crit by my sylvain with 11 hit and 10 crit. That's about 1 in 400
Excellent video Mekkah, I can't tell you how many times I've facepalmed when someone falls prey to confirmation bias when talking about FE6 RNG. Those people need to wake up and watch this video every day until they understand probability.
Yeah, I'm still not a fan of random level-ups, but I've grown to acknowledge that tactics and prep beat potential stat growths.
When are levels not random? Final Fantasy 4 you never know exactly what you'll get. Same with earthbound or the mother games.
Lord Tellus 9 I mean, the deal with stuff like Earthbound is that the formula takes into account what your stats are. FE on the other hand doesn't give a fuck if you're stat screwed.
most FE games are completable in 0 growths anyway tbf
Other games like the Elder Scrolls and Fallout grant you a set (or random) amount of points which you can allocate to whichever stat you wish to raise. I would prefer something like that in Fire Emblem.
Keep the total points given random, but give me some control over a unit's stats.
Most FE games can be beaten with zero growths, and that's a good testament to how well designed these games are. But it could be a little less frustrating for causal players.
JXZX1 there are things called stat boosters, though....
This episode reminds me a lot of XCOM players having to learn the hard way that 90 is not 100, 10 is not 0, and the RNG is not screwing you over when 1 out of 10 of those scenarios goes the wrong way.
Anyone have a level of tolerance against bad RNG. It will hit you pretty badly if you miss a 90% hit and get critted by a 10% hit and 1% crit.
It's one thing if a couple encounters have unexpected results. But when an 50 hit, 8 crit boss crits you, you heal up, then it crits you again, I blame the game. I think I played well. Of course I could always be safer. But you can still get screwed when playing well
@Hollow Shell geez look at you in all these comments. you're a bitter little fucker arent you
Mekkah the backround music so damn catchy. I literally had to stand up and do the whip and nay nay to demonstrate my happiness
Great video!! Still, that stupid 1% crit that killed my Franz on enemy phase was so damn frustrating 😤
Always have a backup plan for bad RNG.
actually, dodghing 1 out of 3 attack with 30% display hit in GBA FE, I would consider that a decent backup plan. That has a 99.39% chance of success because 2RN is brrrrroken. Of course, ideally you want the 100% CoS but that isn't always possible I guess.
Was just re-watched all the Pitfall videos yesterday, awesome timing.
I guess BlazingKnight was right when he swore that FE6 RNG is glitched... This reminds me of the Pokemon Gen 1 miss (in gen 1 it was
Ohhhhh... I thought these were pitfalls of specific games! I need to go back and watch the first episodes, then. Awesome!
thanks Mekkah; I know feel even worse losing Ephraim to some General boss with a 1% crit chance 12 years ago
I love the pitfall series, but I'm still waiting for more in-depth character analysis such as what you did with Lyn and Amelia
I had actually been told on multiple occasions that FE7 was the first to use 2 RNs, but from what was demonstrated looks like all those who said it wasnt were misguiding me. Thanks mekkah. Look forward to more
fast forward a year later and we have a zeiss miss compilation from reverse recruitment lmao
Thank you Mekkah, now every time I see someone saying that FE6 RNG is broken I can save effort on explanations and simply show them this video instead.
I love the "there might be a 1 in 3 million chance of the ball falling off the wheel" line
I've been playing FE10 recently, and I feel like I'm being put into a lot of situations where I'm forced into gambling on low hit rates to just make it through a turn. It's working out for me, but I'm playing suboptimally.
In general I agree with this but sometimes there is just nothing you could have done. If you miss a unit with your entire team things can go wrong. It's definitely the case if one or two battles in a turn go wrong. But sometimes it's ridiculous.
Math lesson by mekkah
Nice.
Reminded me to finish fe6
Speaking of fe6 I found a walkthrough by mekkah online lol
Actually, I find Heroes to be the least gambly FE tho. Ditching hit rates and criticals in favor of skills finally makes the gameplay actually feel strategic.
I'n not defending the game's gacha BS, but damn, deterministic outcomes is a gameplay improvement I waited so long for.
The AI can be weird sometimes but at least you can predict or work around it most of the weird moves it does sometimes
I mean, some things I think are justified for complaints, like getting hit by a 1% crit from a 20% hit chance is pretty bad RNG for the player
If you think people complaining about RNG as a Fire Emblem fan is annoying, try being a Darkest Dungeon fan.
Rule of thumb is always engage with the worst result in mind possible, Aka you miss and the enemy crits you, and then plan to mitigate said chance. It can be somewhat slower but you won't get killed.
Y'all ever restart 3 times bc of a 1% enemy crit?
This is literally my biggest issue... Chance based events aren't the issue, chance based events literally trashing 20 to 30 minutes of game play are. A crit being the difference between a survivable hit and immediate death 95% of the time is the issue.
Not to mention linking stats in an RPG to chance is literal trash.
@Dude Mcboy calm down there son. ironic telling people to grow up. gettting mad at someone for being mad. geez, take your whiny ass somewhere else and quit bitching at people.
@@alexanderredhorse1297 >original comment no longer exists
lol, I guess he took your advice.
From my very limited understanding of the GBA games, I think enemies are more likely to crit than you. If the game uses double roll for your crits, but uses single roll for an enemy crit rate, you get unintentionally nerfed, because crit rates aren't likely to break over 50. I haven't found anything that confirms or denies the idea that the game uses double roll for crits, but I have seen some evidence that enemies use single roll.
@@lieutenantbites5739 doesn't sacred stones use double roll for enemies or am i too lazy to look it up?
thanks for taking out of your time to make this videos.
my perseption of you is that you cone out very condecending and opinieded but i most admit im learning a lot from you.
i am amazed at how every playthough of fire emblen i get better and better truly this game is a wonder.
if i can be so bold and impart some constructive criticism i apologize it is i that comes now has intrusive.
you might try to talk a bit slower and use more visual examples when tackling the more mathematical concepts.
(most people learn by watching our experimenting so visual queues in key moments are effective)
also i recomend summarizing your points in a simple but pragmatic when you end your videos.
sometimes you give us to much information so a nice summary of the key points might help us get the concentrate of your videos
thank you for your assistance.
12:06
We’re gonna be seeing this as a reaction image in public forums for weeks to come
My Lute still hasn't gotten any defence in level ups after 25 levels. The only defense I've gotten was from a dragon shield and the mage knight promotion bonus. I know the growth rate is low, it just really surprised me. I didn't think it was *that* low. I expected more from 15% but that's RNG for ya. She makes up for it by being an absolute canon though.
I once had Oscar miss four enemy-turn counterhits in the FE9 Serenes Forest chapter. He then proceeded to miss a fifth hit on the player phase. Given that his labeled hit rate was between 65-75 (depending on which of the four I tried to target), I'm just going to chalk that one up to an isolated incident of genuinely bad luck in conjunction with a dubious strategy that involved using not-Titania to execute it. Mostly, things go the way I expect them to... though, of course, I've had my fair share of lucky 30% hits and unfortunate 80% misses!
"How can players avoid falling for this pitfall?" Play Pokemon for about a month and only let them use stuff like Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, and Take Down. That shit'll straighten you out right quick. Bonus points if it's also a nuzlocke.
Nice pitfalls vid!
I actually understand a lot of how RNG works!
A new video from mangs and mekkah... nahh i'll skip mangs'
Hey Mekkah , rng is very important when you play harder difficulties on the newer games , Lunatic( +) Awakening and Lunatic reverse FE12 are good exemple of that , to complete either of those mode you need to get very good level up rng , which involves a lot of reseting , also a single point of speed can make a difference between a character killing half the map or doing nothing .
That being said , very good video .
One time by Eyvel Needed to Attack a Brigand and hit 4 times to bring him within range to be captured by Dagdar. She Hit both hits and then activated a Movement star, then she activated adept which would get the brigand killed but on the third strike she missed with 99 hit. I Love Thracia.
mekkkah: this is fire emblem pitfalls
me: i will now use this information to make me a 200 iq master at battle for wesnoth
I don't get why players blame the 1 RN system in Echoes for misses when the odds given to you are putrid on arrival every turn.
Juan776 even there, RNG wheel exist yet people do not use
Isn't RNG in echoes more or less confirmed to be like in fates? But even then, doesn't defeat your point. It IS ridiculous, I absolutely agree.
Thats why you always invest in skill. I had no problems with the Echoes rng and no one died on my run by combining hit rate increasing items and the turn wheel.
@@mirraisnow6050 Yeah, because Skl boosters are SO plentiful. Not to mention most units have terrible Skl bases, and terrain has unreasonable rates.
@@Juan-zs6jt Light weight weapons for doubling improves chances. Magic ignores terrain and most res is low so that helps too. If it doesnt work out, then Silque and Genny are there with physic. Bows have huge range, so missed shots have less consequences than other options. Skills can also be used with 1 range weapons that can dramatically improve hit rate if you absolutely need it.
The low hit chances connecting and the high chances missing made me wince from watching them, and I'm not even the one playing.
In other words, the proper response to "I keep getting unlucky" is "git gud" :V
Misinformation is what makes the rng rigged. This is very helpful thanks
Are you trying to tell me that myrmidons aren't the best class in fire emblem?
Mekkah you do gods work.
Great points. But when the monk on chapter 26 crits Nino on 6 different resets then I'm still blaming the RNG
@Hollow Shell 6 different times on 1RN with presumably a 1% crit chance (ignoring hit here because it's a monk vs Nino) is a 1 in 10^12 chance.
That is absolutely worthy of being called bullshit.
Hell, even a single reset still ending up with a 1% crit is a stastical improbability so unlikely that in an average FE play through shouldn't ever happen even once (most games in the series get you to MAYBE 200-300 attacks, not the _10,000_ necessary to ensure repeat 1% crits)
Getting crit once and yelling about it is dumb. But twice? On a RESET? That's completely valid.
Happy to say I don't fall into this pitfall. I freak out when getting hit by a 10% or missing a 90% could get me killed.
I feel in general complaining about the RNG isn't exactly a pitfall as the RNG isn't exactly something that can be fixed since it's due to chance. That being said though the information given at the end about what strategies to use first on each turn makes a lot of sense and I am in agreement that if you know the game well enough then the only deaths you'll have will be because of the RNG. Great Pitfall vid as usual.
Thanks for the nice comment! The reason I think it's a pitfall is because if you blame your mistakes/deaths on the RNG you'll never improve as a player, so long term it'll make you play worse.
Amazing video as always! :)
While certainly not the main topic of the video, i wouldve really liked a mention of fates weird RN system in the beginning where you explained the difference of 1RN/2RN with true hit below 50% and a sorta 3/2 RN above where 2 randoms are rolled but the first gets multiplied by 3 and added to the second, afterwards dividing by 4 (if i remember correctly), resulting in a weird function thats between 1RN and 2RN for the >50% rolls making Fates RNG feel really off compared to FE6-13.
Though you didnt play Fates, so maybe you didnt know, so certainly no worries ^^
I did know, but I didn't wanna complicate things further or make a mistake since Fates is definitely not my specialty.
"FE6 rolls 100 at a 1/18 the rate of other numbers"
So, they generate a random number from 0 to 65535, and divide by 655, and forgot to account for the small chance of being at least 65500?
RNG screwage can be a thing sometimes. Like for example a character say with like ~400% growths getting single stat-ups each level for 5 levels. But as this video states, it's not as rampant as some act.
It took me this long into this series to realize that everything dondon says is satire (I haven’t known of him before this series)
that people don't understand rng technically isn't a good argument (or even an argument at all) against it being poorly designed though, whether on its own or only in combination with particular level designs or other systems
In Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War I parked Dew (right after recruitment in some forest tiles. I was laughing when the enemy tried attacking him with a 0% hit chance. It was not very funny though when the boss had a 4% hit chance. Thankfully my larger army managed to rescue him, but a 4% chance of instantly dying, was not a risk I was willing to take. So I had a race to save him before the RNG claimed him. Each turn in 1 out of 25 times, he would die. And I would have no idea if this would be the turn he would die.
Not really about RNG, but I'm playing FE8 on hard for the first time and having a blast. I've started early promoting, and I plan on not grinding at all. Having basically a second Seth after chapter 7 is insane. I'd argue Franz didn't need the promotion, (my first good Franz) and I should've capped Vanessa's speed before promoting, but I'll be ok. I'm also trying units I've never used before, like Seth, Garcia, and Moulder. It's still a shock to have Moulder rescue dropping lol.
Speaking of low hit rates, how about those FE5 weapons. Gotta love 70 hit iron swords.
I’m sure Mangs will get that 100 miss the next time he plays FE6 to make up for his BS luck
5:25 I have actually missed a 100% with a Physical Weapon before (I believe it was Rutger who did it?) and I was pissed.
I really wish somebody would get that on video.
I only had it happen like once (I've had it happen like one or two times with Staves too.), but I swore it was a 100%. Now I know why. I guess I wasn't crazy after all.
What you are saying is that you got 1/3000000 3 times which (if im not wrong) means 1/9000000
I have 0 luck.
A staff miss is much, much more likely, so he only got the 1 in 3 million chance once. I know there was someone somewhere who claimed it happened to him with weapons twice though.
Coll, but can you explain why the early pirates in Tracia 776 never seem to miss with their 30% hit rates?
I've been waiting for this.
Just yesterday, i fired up Radiant Dawn, did Normal Mode 1-1, and Edward took shots from 35-45% axe hits. not one dodge the entire map. Tanked every hit. Felt weird, but then i remembered Biorhythm might have been screwing with him (fast speed, so i didnt actually see the majority of hit rates, but i doubt the hitrates of a bunch of Iron Axe Brigands would vary too much past Biorhythm)
Its just hard to accept that probabilities are just that. The only way to avoid dying to 1% crits is careful planning, if you take a risk you will loose sometimes but it's up to you how many risks you take. I mean the games (apart from FoW maps, curse those) tend to give you all the information you need and you can take your time.
RNG is NOT at fault for poor planning or risky moves.
It’s been several years so it’s certainly possible I’m misremembering, but I thought that I missed in FE8 with 100% hit before and the enemy hit me with less than 20% hit. So I’m not sure if some sort of glitch occurred or something swapping them. I have seen some glitches occasionally in my game though.
Mekkah, as true as you are on fact and the programming...
When I have certain characters that repeatedly miss both hits of a double that is over 80 percent....ALL THE FRICKEN TIME!!!!! You can’t say I’m making a mistake by blaming the RNG. To the point that I hate Kent because everything hits him really hard and he misses everything.
My Beruka only leveled Strength twice because she was cursed by the RNG goddess. Not offering the proper sacrifices before leveling is a pitfall.
I knew there was a reason fe6 was giving me such a hard time. Still sucks when you surround an enemy and cant kill him because of everyone missing.
Just use Rutger and a killing edge with Clarine three spaces away if you don't want to miss.
Ayy nice mic quality there Mekkah
hmmm this was one of the most useful so far
Does anyone know how to calculate the proper true hit percentages with 100 being generated?
My favorite FE player, DumbDumb151
9:20 it was probably a little dumb not to highlight the hit rate considering the menu of FE5. I knew it well enough, but I'd imagine a newcomer wouldn't
On the next episode of pitfalls you should talk about religion.
9:05 a better analogy would be if there were also a 000 and a 0000 space on the roulette wheel, because that is more what playing FE6 is like. You simply have worse odds than in other fire emblem games.
I actually wish FE6 had 1 RN RNG, seeing my 84 displayed hit rate hit 10 times in a row was very weird. It happens but man 1 RN RNG is very different from 2 RN.
I once ran through over 30 rns and rutger didn't level strength in any of them.
When I played Binding Blade, I got hit by an enemy with a 0% hit rate. How he do that?
You’re either joking or likely just misremembering. Maybe there’s another obscure glitch, but it’s pretty unlikely given the fact that people actually know about the 100 hit miss
I started Awakening on Lunatic a few days ago, and I can’t get past Chapter 5. One of my game overs was due to someone landing a 26% on Chrom
Oh my already 11k?
The part on 2rn hit rate does nothing to make me feel better about missing a 95 and getting nailed by two 30s
I swear, a 0-30 hit percent for me hits like 90% of the time. Not even exaggerating. I keep losing units because of this shitty RNG, then having to restart levels because those characters are ones I don't want to lose.
I would say it's safe to blame the RNG in some situations(in specific games), like in your first run of a map if reinforcements spawn in and get to act immediately, and they score those low% hits people love to complain about and kill someone.
I mean when reinforcements spawn in and get to act immediately that's just called Bad Game Design™
FE taught me that 1% is still a chance of occurring.
My luck is weird, I can miss 99% in SRPGs but I get a freebie when I buy a snack/soda at the vending machines.
I started to call it "stupid luck"
Hm...so how the hell did Nolan get hit by that Thunder Mage?