What is the Anglican View of Other Churches?
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- In this video I discuss the Anglican view on Protestants, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and other Christians.
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Well done, Joe! Very grateful to you and your voice in our Church. - The Very Rev. Marcus Kaiser
Never apologize for quoting Lewis haha.
im a new member of an ACA church, and i really like it
This is a question I contemplated but never brought myself to ask. Thanks for this video!
Wonderful video! Definitely would love for you to dive more deeper into EO kinda recognizing Anglican ordination
That would be interesting. I think the western rite is a way of recruiting Anglicans
A very interesting video!! I enjoyed watching it!! May God continue to bless you and your channel
As one of his biographers recalls (in "C.S. Lewis and His Times," by George Sayer), after a holiday spent in Greece together with Lewis and his wife, Lewis told him that of all the liturgies he'd ever attended, he preferred the Greek Orthodox liturgy to anything that he had seen in the West, Protestant or Roman Catholic. Then he went on to say that of all the priests and monks that he had ever had the opportunity to meet, the Orthodox priests that he ran across in his sojourn in Greece were the holiest, most spiritual men he had ever met. C.S. Lewis referred to a certain look they had, a sense. Lewis himself, in one of his letters, speaks of having been at an Orthodox liturgy and he said he loved it. He said "some stood, some sat, some knelt and one old man crawled around the floor like a caterpillar." He "absolutely loved it." We only know for sure that C.S. Lewis loved the Orthodox Church, though he never joined it and remained in the Anglican Church."
Hi Joe! I went to an Episcopal church near me after really getting into Anglican thought. I'm loving Anglicanism, thanks for your work. Question: If someone's from a small town w/out many church options is it better they go to woman pastor, gay affirming TEC or a Roman parish and get confirmed in the RCC despite not fully subscribing to every doctrine. IDK what to do here.
Also, does a woman priest invalidate the eucharist?
@@Hunteronix Women priest does invalidate the eucharist. We oppose "female ordination" not because we just don't like it but because it is an ontological impossibility. Your situation is likely complicated but I would love to help if you are interested in giving specifics via email. My email is younganglican1@gmail.com
There were also ecumenical talks with the Roman Catholic Church that were also broken by women’s ordination. Word and Table has a podcast on it. I agree it is really sad.
Rumor has it that there are discussions now between the Catholic Church and ANCA with the main sticking point being women’s ordination .
Is it on TH-cam? I cant find any podcast called "word and table"
@ it is on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It’s my favorite Anglican podcast
There are currently strong discussions between Rome and the ACNA. It seems likely there will be a recognition of orders, but only for males. This won’t be a complete reunion, but will look closer to the relationship with the Eastern Churches.
@@fortisrisuspater the discussions also include (rumor?) that recognition of the validity of orders and everything that comes after may be extended by Rome to individual dioceses of the ACNA, based on a diocese’s stand on issues including the ordination of women, liturgical orthodoxy…
Great vid Joe. Would love to hear your perspective on Confirmation, and even on Penitence/Confession, as I've been considering enquiring with my minister about both recently. God bless
Im Orthodox, This is the one thing I think - confession missing is the REALLY HUGE deal because it is clearly part of the earthly ministry of Christ.
@@EricAlHarb It seems like it's a major thing being missed by nearly all Protestants. I'm not sure about other denominations but in the Church of Ireland, and probably England, you can request it, but it is not widely practiced or encouraged.
Hi, all. The rite of reconciliation for individuals has a prominent place in all the editions of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer, and the general confession and absolution are offered in morning prayer, evening prayer, and compline as parts of the Daily Office.
I say with love that (well catechized) Anglicans should include the Daily Office and the rite of reconciliation as parts of their personal devotion, and the practice of their vows of confirmation/reception.
In terms of unity without amalgamation and allowing distinctives, the Catholic Church does that with Eastern Catholic Churches including Indian churches coming out of the same Mar Thoma tradition as the Anglican one
Haven’t watched it yes. But read a comment from a Catholic. They can be mean. Along with orthodox bros.
Curious to know your thoughts on something like the Lutheran churches that have roles similar to bishops in functionality (e.g. presidents and district presidents), but without using the term bishop
Some Lutherans have bishops. LCMS does not. Our position is that the Office of the Holy Ministry (pastor) is the only office ordained by God and necessary for the church. All others (deacon, bishop, president, district president, elder) are designated by man for good order in the church as the church body sees fit.
@@charless7653 there can be biblical cases made for Deacons and Presbyters.
The word Deacon itself is in the bible
@@charless7653 Yes, I'm aware of the Lutheran view, but there are similarities in the offices of president and bishop so I'm curious about how Anglicans would view that as outsiders with a different perspective.
Lutherans wouldn't say those offices are wrong. Indeed, if they contribute to good order, they should remain. They would say that the Office of the Holy Ministry is the only office necessary for the church to exist and is the only office that has been tasked with continuing the Apostolic Mission.
I'm not an Anglican, but from what I understand, Anglicans would frown upon some Lutherans' denial of Apostolic Succession (in the Anglican, RO, EO sense). I think they would still consider the Lutherans to be a part of the church catholic. I assume that at very conservative Anglicans would logically conclude that Lutherans lack the Lord's Supper if they lack apostolic succession. Perhaps they would not say that though. Some would not.
Historians describe the English reformation as a decades long shift to Protestantism. I see Calvin on your bookshelf. How do Anglicans understand that they are simultaneously Catholic (a province thereof) and reformed?
Yes. That is one of the appeals of Anglicanism for some.
Archbishop Beach (ACNA) describes it as part of the “dynamic tension” of the Three Streams principle that is alive and well in global Anglicanism. You can find his statements on this on YT.
What troubles me is that while there is push back of incorrect sexual relationships in the Anglican Communion, Woman’s ordination to the priesthood and episcopate seams to be accepted and growing within the communion.
All of those things are wrong and faithful Anglicans must fight that. If you are interested, you can join the effort at anglicanrenaissance.org
As a Global Methodist I would love to hear your thoughts on the possibility of full communion between the ACNA and the GMC. Will it/should it happen?
@@RGabeDavis to be honest, I used to be more in favor of it than I am today. Important issues would be the ordination of women and lack of Apostolic Succession in the proper sense (although this is complicated and of course there are ACNA dioceses which ordain women but that is something that will hopefully be corrected in the future).
@ I wished the GMC would have at least looked at WO while creating the new denomination but they will not budge on it sadly. My Church is great my Pastor/Elder is great but I yearn to stop splitting and start combining!
@RGabeDavis I feel your pain brother
6:39 I'm reading the "Obscurity of Scripture" by Casey Chalk. It's arguments makes me heavily question this Protestant claim
How so?
How did Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox agree on justification which was implied in your discussion of the 1950’s and 1960’s?.
I think all major churches agree on justification we just disagree on our wording
@@prestonyannotti7661kind of? I think we all agree that you *can* be saved even with (read: despite) other understandings of justification, but I don’t think you can say that they’re the same. An imputation model of justification is simply different than an infusion model. Jordan Cooper has a good video on this distinction in a video where he’s responding to Trent Horn on justification, and I think he’s right in saying there is a fundamentally different understanding of salvation between Protestants and non-Protestants, but that this difference isn’t large enough such that those on one side are certainly damned
@jatar6605 Well, maybe my view is simple, but I see works as an outward expression of faith that while they don't save you, they still prove devotion. So in a sense, works are necessary, but they are only done out of faith in God. I don't understand the dogma against works coming out of protestants (I am protestant).
@@prestonyannotti7661what you have stated is exactly what sola fide is about. The dogma against works is only as means or merit, but certainly works are a result of justification.historical Protestantism has always taught this.
@petros810 Works as a fruit but not a means of salvation. As Christ in Luke 6:43-45 NIV
Presbyteral succession is apostolic succession
I would be willing to concede this if any actual churches genuinely required presbyteral succession as a doctrine but none do. Presbyterians and Methodists have gone through periods where they did not even have the laying on of hands for ordinations.
But with such a wide coverage of traditional Anglican parishes as reflected in your map, don’t all American Protestants have access to parishes with the episcopate and aren’t they rejecting such episcopal churches? It seems although one step removed from the schismatic analysis of Davenant, I could see some problems with those at least who had considered joining but actively made a decision to stick to their Protestant body without an episcopate because they rejected the episcopate as necessary to the Church. I am not saying they can’t be saved . Just that such a Church would seem not to have valid ordained ministers even in Davenants view perhaps.
Those saints did not affirm the Marian dogma’s because they weren’t yet dogmas. They were theological opinions . After an opinion is dogmatized, one is then bound to affirm with divine and Catholic faith.
Ahhh so the salvation for what is required for salvation can change?
@@ScroopGroopI mean the Trinity is necessary for salvation but before it was formally defined I doubt a Christian in the year 100 would have the exact same understanding the councils taught and/or be able to explain it properly
I don't see how denying the real presence means that you don't believe it to be spiritual food. Is not the act of rememberance and fellowship in said remberance food for your spirit?
@@DMWayne-ke7fl The spiritual is real. In order for something to be spiritually anything it has to really be spiritually that. Spiritual does not mean "in my head" or "it feels to me like". Other religions give people experiences but they are not real experiences. The eucharist is really spiritual food. Objectively. The bread is Christ's body. The cup is Christ's blood.
@Young_Anglican And is Christ really a real lamb, or is it a metaphor?
@DMWayne-ke7fl you realize it is possible for some things to be metaphors and other things to not be metaphors? No Christian has ever believed Christ was a literal physical door or vine, but nearly every Christian who read the Bible for 1500 years read those verses during the Last Supper to be teaching the Real Presence.
@DMWayne-ke7fl Additionally St. Paul elsewhere establishes that he did not believe it was a metaphor when he says in 1 Corinthians 10:16-17: "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread."
@@Young_Anglican Luther {pounding his fist}: “Hoc est corpus meus!!”
Christ established the one, holy , catholic, and apostolic Church, (Body of Christ) in 33 AD that possesses the fullness of the means of salvation which he has willed; correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life,and ordained ministry in apostolic succession.
All man-made Churches and denominations rupture the unity of Christ's Body.
Sacred Scripture (Bible) and Sacred Tradition are both inspired and are equally important and interlinked. with the teaching authority of the Church, which holds everything together as the deposit of faith. Intercession of the saints is Biblical. There are no distractions, you have to study all of the Church's history, and interpret it with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Of course the Church is full of atrocities. Man is inherently sinful, and the Catholic Church is no different, but this does not diminish the fact that Christ is the head of his Church and we are the sinful members. This is why the Church must suffer great trials and persecutions before it can be perfected.
What's your opinion on eastern othodox and oriental othodox churches ?
@@nataliamundell6266 They split from the Church in 1054 and are only in part union with the Catholic Church.
@Robert-r4s4c they say the say about you
@@nataliamundell6266"they say the say about you" What on earth are you talking about ?
@@Robert-r4s4c the othodox church says the Catholic church split from the church and are only in part union with the Catholic church
What about the Prussian Union churches I recall reading about some pretty decent ecumenical relationships between them and Anglicans!
Keep using the word “Catholic.” I love it. Also, “The Tudors” is a great show to learn about the creation of the Anglican Church.
From a Reformed Baptist perspective (which is the Reformed branch of Protestantism’s perspective), a true church of Christ can be identified by a true proclamation of the Gospel, Right Administration of the sacraments, and the exercise of church discipline. A true church in this context refers to any local body of Christ or local church and not a particular denomination. This was John Calvin’s view and it was also Luther’s view. Reformed Baptists like Calvin believe there are no totally pure local churches this side of heaven. Some are more pure than others. Some have taken declining purity into a state of apostasy. From a Reformed Baptist perspective, true apostolic succession is faithfulness to apostolic teaching. The more faithful a local church is to apostolic teaching, the more they possess true apostolic succession. Reformed Baptists understand that in its visible expression on earth, Christ’s Holy Catholic Church can be seen wherever a local church organized according to the mind of Christ possesses the marks of a true church that I identified above. Finally, Reformed Baptists do not reject t bishops strictly speaking. The pastor of a local church in the biblical sense is in fact the bishop. The term bishop, pastor, or elder all refer to the same office and of course there is the other church office Deacon. So it is the monarchical bishop that Reformed Baptists part company with not the office of bishop as described in scriptures (the pastor of a local church). In Reformed Baptist polity, a local church has the Christ given authority to call and ordain men into the office of pastor (or bishop). Reformed Baptists believe that true believers and true local churches can be found in all Christian denominations and all true believers together constitute Christ’s Holy Catholic Church. BTW, Reformed Baptists like all credo Baptists and paedobaptists believe baptism is a prerequisite for membership in Christ’s visible church on earth. Broadly speaking, Reformed Baptists recognize the ordinations of other Christian communions and depending on the congregation some will accept into membership those baptized as infants to address as a matter of pastoral care.
John Calvin and Martin Luther would have disagreed with you on your "right administration of the sacraments" though, which they would claim a baptist would not be a part of the true Church.
@@loganholly8401Really? The Reformed Baptist view of the real presence is the same as that of John Calvin. Luther invested significant authority in the local congregation as do Reformed Baptists. Reformed Baptists like. Presbyterians are creedal, confessional and covenantal. Their eschatology is identical. Large swaths of the London Baptist Confession is verbatim with the Westminster Confession. Reformed Baptist are creedal confessional and sacramental just like the Lutherans. Reformed Baptists believe the sacraments are a means of grace. Most contemporary Presbyterians and Lutherans do view Baptists as having true churches. There are always sectarians in every tradition who want to withhold recognition of other valid Christian traditions. including yours apparently. Neither Luther or Calvin wrote anything about Baptists in general or Reformed Baptists in particular for the simple reason that as a Christian movement, they did not yet exist. So you are only projecting your opinion on to Luther and Calvin. It is pure conjecture. Reformed Baptists subscribe to the five solas of the Reformation just like all of historic Protestantism. BTW I have participated in the Lord’s in Presbyterian churches where the Elders knew I was a Reformed Baptist. I know of Presbyterians who have participated in the Lord’s Supper at Reformed Baptist churches and have had Reformed Baptist ministers preach a sermon at their churches. I know of a Lutheran minister who has preached at a Reformed Baptist church. A strange thing to do if you think they aren’t true churches. Reformed Baptists like Presbyterians believe that all churches are a mixture of truth and error so the question becomes how much error can be present before a churches ceases being a true church. Your threshold for that is apparently lower than most Reformed Baptists who believe that if a church subscribes to what is taught in the three ecumenical creeds then they have not yet crossed over into unchurched status. Cheers my friend
"What is the Anglican view on other churches?"
Who cares. XD
Quite a few people, it seems , anglicans wanting to understand their faith better. Other Christians wandered the aglican position on them and their church.
The Anglican communion has nothing catholic: not believing the real presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist, no apostolic succession, women ordained priest or bishop, refusing the authority of the Pope, laymen (Prime Minister, Parliament) governing their Communion…
You obviously know NOTHING about Anglicanism. Traditional Anglicans do NOT ordain women, support the gay agenda, etc. Furthermore, they have much more MORAL authority than Roman Catholicism thanks to the latter's pervasive protection of pedophiles since at least A. D. 1045 when St. Peter Damian publicly brought this problem to the Vatican's attention yet 950 years later the problem still persists.
As an ex-Catholic Protestant myself, I can confidently say that Anglicans are fantastic.
@@carlosjennings7707how so?
Many Anglican priests openly believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Many Anglican Churches reject women clergy. It seems you are very unfamiliar with Anglican Churches. Only the State Church of England is under the Government of United Kingdom. Most Anglicans World Wide are not in Communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury. Most Anglicans that I have ever been in contact with believe the Pope of Rome is the 1st among equals, very similar to the Orthodox Church and the Western Church in the 1st 1000 years.
So many of us do believe in the real presence
The Anglican Church has a completely wrong starting point.
Christ? Idk that’s a pretty good starting point
What was wrong with St Joseph of Arimathea evangelizing the people on the British Isles? You must hate the English, SAD!