This rocked my world. I was so convinced that the Anglican Church was started by Henry8 to get a divorce from his wife, and this was the reason why I took the Canterbury trail to begin with!!! My world has been shattered… …but seriously, good video 👍🏻
Moorman’s book, The history of the Church of England is the definitive history covers the historical context behind the schism. A great book for understanding the Anglican perspective why we left the Roman Catholic Church. It is also a great sedative haha.
This is helpful as someone coming out of Seventh-Day Adventism, almost converting to Catholicism, but ultimately deciding against it due to its many accretions. Traditional Anglicanism is looking more and more attractive and correct by the day.
@@emilydesiree6921 I agree! Traditional anglicanism is rooted in the ancient patristic-church. It rejects the accretions of both Romanism and low church Protestantism. We are Catholic (not Romanism) and evangelical. We are far from perfect and fully aware of that.
Thank you for this video. I know so little about the Anglican church history, and I would love to learn more about Anglicanism. I hope you do another video like this one in the near future. God bless you and your channel
Anglicanism and Methodism capture early Christianity perfectly. Methodism captures the field preaching and laity of the early church. And the Anglicans capture the diversity of church fathers theologies and ecclesiastical style. (Modern councils called a lambeth conference) So on.
Henry had nothing to do with the evolution of the Church in the Isles. He was a political symptom, was recognized by the Pope as, "Defender of the Faith" and died as still a Roman Catholic. The Celtic Church existed in the Isles before the arrival of Augustine, 300 CE and 1,300 years before the Tudor dynasty.
As to when the Church in Britain began, which the Church of England built on, there is scant documentary evidence, but we have an idea of what early Christians in the Roman Empire and later Christians believed. Simon Zelotes, one of the Twelve Apostles, is said to have reached Britain in mid-1st century. Hippolytus of Rome and Dorotheus of Tyre, recorded the same, writing in the 2nd century and 4th century respectively. The Patriarch of Constantinople reaffirmed the same in the 9th Century. And the librarian in charge of the vast Vatican libraries, Caesar Baronius, reaffirmed the same in the 16th century when tasked by the Pope with writing his Annales Ecclesiastici. He gave an exact date of 35 AD for when Christianity reached Britain. Gildas writing from Britain in the 6th century recorded that Christianity reached Britain in the "latter part of the reign of Tiberius Caesar". This is understood to refer to the Emperor Claudius, whose first name was Tiberius, who began the Roman conquest of Britain in 43 AD and reigned until 54 AD. Simon Zelotes is said to have been crucified in the newly established Province of Britannia, as recorded by Dorotheus of Tyre. A different tradition says that Simon Zelotes was martyred in Persia with the apostle Jude, however this is mainly based on a work attributed to the semi-legendary bishop of Babylon, Abdias, who is said to be one of the Seventy Disciples, but whose name doesn't appear on any of the surviving lists. Aristobulus of Britannia, one of the Seventy Disciples appointed by Christ in Luke 10, is named as the first bishop of Britain, in the oldest list we have of the Seventy Disciples. He is described as such in the lists of the Seventy Disciples by Hippolytus of Rome, Dorotheus of Tyre, and Epiphanius of Salamis. Another list of the Seventy Disciples, attributed to Irenaeus, includes Aristobulus. The Greek Church Marytrology names Aristobulus as having been martyred in Britain after establishing churches there and in the 9th century Ado the Archbishop of Vienna records the same in the Adonis Martyrologia. This is understood to be the same Aristobulus whose household in Rome, Paul salutes in his letters. It may be that Simon Zelotes and Aristobulus traveled west ahead of Paul. Eusebius, the Father of Church History, writes that the early apostolic missions "reached the Isles of Britain". And Tertullian wrote that by his time Christianity had reached parts of Britain beyond Roman control, which is to say Scotland (called Caledonia by the Romans).
I've been transformed by exploring the early church councils, confessions, and creeds. Although I come from and married into a non-denominational Pentecostal background, I now resonate with classical Protestantism. However, joining the Lutheran Church, which aligns with my new convictions, feels impossible due to family dynamics. My wife and her parents would sever ties and potentially end our marriage if I were to convert due to their non denom pentecostal background. Im not sure what to do.
@@IronPyromancer Moorman’s book entitled “The Church in England” is a good start but a rather scholarly read. Also Gerald McDermott’s Deep Anglicanism is very accessible.
nice video, i think the point about the principle of modern separation being from Queen Elizabeth I rather then Henry VIII is very important and often overlooked. but i disagree with a few things you said. 1) the title “head of the church” being attributed to the crown didn’t end with henry. it was attributed to elizabeth and subsequent princes. it’s not a title we should be ashamed of. our divines have defended it. and it means only what is affirmed in article 37. 2) elizabeth was a known protestant and enforced protestant ideas with coactive power. while she might have been more conservative regarding matters of discipline, regarding matters of doctrine she was firmly protestant. she didn’t just take middle role for healing.
Fellow Anglican here: The old religion by JLC Dart is great. It’s pretty funny and easy to read. Deep Anglicanism by Gerald McDermott is also fantastic. I would get the second edition. Dr. McDermott is one of the premier Anglican theologians of our time. The apology by John Jewel is short. It was the definitive work defending Anglicanism against Catholicism during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I. Of the Laws of Ecclesial Polity by Richard Hooker was written shortly after the apology and defends the Anglicanism from other Protestant groups.
@@BobboBagginz I would add, "The Catholic Religion: A Manual of Instruction for Members of the Anglican Church" by Vernon Staley. I had to do a course on this book in my path to ordination as a deacon in the Continuing Anglican Church. Best book on Anglicanism that I have ever read.
The above recommendations are great, imo the other greatest Anglican defense outside of Laws is "A Learned Discourse on Justification." Also, A Disputation on Holy Scripture on Holy Scripture is A+ too. I'm Lutheran and a hardcore soy-er of Gerhard, but I seriously think Hooker gives one of the best expositions and defenses of Justification ever. Depending on the translation, it can be intermediate or very difficult. If you can read Laws, you can easily read Discourse.
@@royquick-s5nI would assume they were tentatively accepted. It seems like the Church of England has been largely amenable to Lutheran doctrine as acceptable, but never expressing any sort of vocal support for it. That's my intuition at least!
“We have the right to cause schisms when we disagree doctrinally” I think this statement could use its own video. In one sense I would agree. Heresy is a good reason to schism, but in another sense I think holding the belief that your archbishop is the only bishop you need to be in communion with is schismatic and dangerous.
The Church decides what is heresy or schism. If you have a disagreement with a ‘brother,’ you take the disagreement to the church. If someone ‘still’ disagrees, The Church should treat them like a tax-collector.
It is so good to finally see this addressed. Frankly, I am worn out on the "King Henry the 8th started your Church" nonsense. It is a surprise to so many that Anglican church actually began definitvely in the 2nd century (though some have made the case for the 1st century), has bishops in apostolic succession, and was autonomous from the Roman church until the end of the 6th century. This means that Henry did not create a novel situation but actually restored to its roots. I am not here to defend Henry's character, he was seriously flawed. As far as the pope's refusal to grant an annulment, this fact needs to be conveyed: Catherine of Aragon (Henry "wife") , was the aunt of emperor Charles V, who had the pope under his thumb. So there is a familial and political force clearly at play here. There was also a personal antagonistic relationship between Henry and the Charles as well. All this to point out that history, even church history, can be messy and have shades of gray, not always black and white.
Churches don’t get to just declare their own independence from spiritual authority. Once you do this you introduce anarchy. Long suffering under bishops that are most of the time wolves is the only way
They don't? The East-West schism? Congregations have left TEC parishes to form ACNA parishes, and whole dioceses have gone to court to disaffiliate from TEC. Why? To keep to traditional biblical moral.🤔
The Continuing Anglican Churches are breakoffs from the Episcopal Church. It may be said that Anglican Church of North America was formed by Dioceses which parted from the Episcopal Church and by the Reformed Episcopal Church. You can see how Calvin Robinson and Brett Murphy have been treated by the Free Church of England. Brett Murphy may be an example of "suffering under bishops." 🤔
Thank you for this video. Very informative. You said that the Holy spirit guides the church in doctrinal development. Why is the catholic church confused & devided? Baptism, Eucerist, Sola or Prima Scripture, Patriarchy created & blessed by God or Gender equality created by God and Patriarchy the curse, Spiritual gifts for today & the church should be practicing or not?
Get an education from Gavin Ashenden, former Chaplain to the Queen, who sees the reality of Anglicanism crystal clearly: th-cam.com/video/z9wmh9ad8C0/w-d-xo.html
Woke: Henry VIII started the Anglican Church and was a bad guy. Bespoke: Saint Henry Tudor of blessed memory, please pray for us and the true Holy Reformed Catholic Church.
Trads, Traditional Latin Mass people, are more likely to assert Henry VIII founded the Church of England. Sadly members of the Episcopal Church in the U.S., the Anglican Church of Canada, and the Church of England number among the woke.🤔
@@jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613 The same Church. Anglicans do not view themselves having created a new church separate from the Church that existed previously. Neither did Mary I when she cracked down on it. Whether you know it or not Pope Pius IV offered to approve the Book of Common Prayer, including its eucharist and ordinal, if Elizabeth I would agree to the recognition of papal authority in England. The break followed in 1570 under another pope.
@@royquick-s5n "Anglicans do not view themselves having created a new church separate from the Church that existed previously. " That is irrelevant how Anglican see themselves, where was the Anglican Church before King Henry VIII of England? "Neither did Mary I when she cracked down on it. Whether you know it or not Pope Pius IV offered to approve the Book of Common Prayer, including its eucharist and ordinal, if Elizabeth I would agree to the recognition of papal authority in England." How this relevant? The question did Anglican church exist before King Henry VIII of England and the answer is no. Originally the Anglican church was a schematic church with valid sacraments before it accept Calvinism.
@@jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613 Anglicans believe the Church of England was a continuation of the Church before it. They believe "the Church of Rome hath erred, not only in their living and manner of Ceremonies, but also in matters of Faith." and that was before the 19th and 20th centuries dogmas of papal infallibility, immaculate conception of Mary, and assumption of Mary, which would further divide. Acceptance of Calvinism? Anglicans suffered assaults from and combatted Puritans and Presbyterians, who were Calvinists. They refused their attempts to deform the Church.
I don't say that Henry VIII started the Anglican Church or the Church of England. I do say the annulment was wrong and Rome was right for not granting it and that his scriptural basis for the annulment was dead wrong.
Most of the Catholic universities at the time actually asserted that King Henry 8th had valid reason for an annulment. Also one important fact missing the presentation is that pope was captive both politically and quite literally the emperor who happened to be the nephew of Cathrine of Aragon. So the Popes unwillingness to grant the annulment had clearly a political motive behind it. Unfortunately, there is tendency to see Henry as the bad guy and the pope as the good guy. History, including church history, is not always so black and white.
@@williamjohnson3093 .Catherine of Aragon was in fact his brother’s widow, which normally meant no lawful marriage could take place under canon law. As it was, Henry’s father bribed the Pope at the time to grant a dispensation so the marriage could take place, precisely because it was legally dubious. On top of this, before marrying Catherine, Henry protested in writing against the marriage directly to the Pope. Henry actually didn't want the dispensation (no matter how big Catherine's tracts of land were). But his father, Henry VII, forced him to go through with it for political and financial reasons (he didn't want to return Catherine's sizable dowry). Documented unwillingness to marry is also ample grounds for an annulment on its own. Henry’s right hand man, Cardinal Wolsey, even got the backing of most theological universities across Europe, nearly all of which supported his request for an annulment.
Why did Henry require a male heir? He in fact did, who died in early adolescence, and both of his daughters subsequently became queen (horror of horrors?), and there was no resurrection of the wars of the roses, so that was a bullshit line from the outset.
Most of the bishops who originally supported Henry’s schism from the One True Church reverted to Catholicism and remained so when Elizabeth pressured them again
@@royquick-s5n House arrest for those bishops until they died. Mary I was hardly any bloodier than any other monarch at the time. Heresy was a crime back then, and even in Protestant countries.
@@williamjohnson3093 Under Mary, large numbers of clergy were driven overseas. Bishops Latimer, Ridley, and Cranmer were burned at the stake. There were three years of religious persecution. Three hundred people were burned at the stake for their religious convictions.🤔
I suppose Mary I, "Bloody Mary," was lenient went she restored communion with Rome? In addition to some 300 people who were burned at the stake for their religious conviction were Bishops Latimer, Ridley, and Cranmer, not to mention the clergy who fled the country at the time. 🤔
@@royquick-s5n Yep all twelve of her bishops including those like Prince-Bishop Cuthbert Tunstall who supported Henry’s break with Rome refused to take the second Oath of Supremacy.
The Schism started by Henry the 8th came to an end during the reign of Queen Mary. So it is impossible for the Anglican Church to have been founded by Henry the 8th unless you believe she fell completely out of existence during the time of Queen Mary.
You remember the time that the stupid Anglican Church changed its mind on contraception?? Saying it’s immoral one day then allowing it the next? Or how about those lesbian bishops??? 😂
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This rocked my world. I was so convinced that the Anglican Church was started by Henry8 to get a divorce from his wife, and this was the reason why I took the Canterbury trail to begin with!!! My world has been shattered…
…but seriously, good video 👍🏻
what
Just wanted to let you know you are one of the reasons why I’ve decided to go Anglican instead of Orthodox or Catholic!
Same!
Dude the timing is perfect, I just had a friend use the “church of Henry’s hormones” argument on me 😂
Moorman’s book, The history of the Church of England is the definitive history covers the historical context behind the schism. A great book for understanding the Anglican perspective why we left the Roman Catholic Church. It is also a great sedative haha.
We need this guy on Apple Podcasts
This is helpful as someone coming out of Seventh-Day Adventism, almost converting to Catholicism, but ultimately deciding against it due to its many accretions. Traditional Anglicanism is looking more and more attractive and correct by the day.
@@emilydesiree6921 I agree! Traditional anglicanism is rooted in the ancient patristic-church. It rejects the accretions of both Romanism and low church Protestantism. We are Catholic (not Romanism) and evangelical. We are far from perfect and fully aware of that.
What accretions do you have an issue with?
@@williamjohnson3093 You really don’t know what those accretions are?
@@petros810 The Roman Catholic Church is synonymous with the “Patristic Church.”
@@williamjohnson3093 The same claim as the EO even though both churches are separated by doctrinal differences. I reject both claims
Thank you for this video. I know so little about the Anglican church history, and I would love to learn more about Anglicanism. I hope you do another video like this one in the near future. God bless you and your channel
I would commend G. McDermott’s book, Deep Anglicanism, to anyone exploring or curious about Anglicanism.
The Land is the Promised Land. The Promised Land is Jesus Himself. McDermott sounds like a dispensational heretic. N.T. Wright is right !
The production quality is amazing!
Anglicanism and Methodism capture early Christianity perfectly.
Methodism captures the field preaching and laity of the early church.
And the Anglicans capture the diversity of church fathers theologies and ecclesiastical style.
(Modern councils called a lambeth conference) So on.
Henry had nothing to do with the evolution of the Church in the Isles. He was a political symptom, was recognized by the Pope as, "Defender of the Faith" and died as still a Roman Catholic. The Celtic Church existed in the Isles before the arrival of Augustine, 300 CE and 1,300 years before the Tudor dynasty.
Great work!
Awesome Video Joe! Also: INSTITUTES DETECTED, SO BASED
As to when the Church in Britain began, which the Church of England built on, there is scant documentary evidence, but we have an idea of what early Christians in the Roman Empire and later Christians believed.
Simon Zelotes, one of the Twelve Apostles, is said to have reached Britain in mid-1st century. Hippolytus of Rome and Dorotheus of Tyre, recorded the same, writing in the 2nd century and 4th century respectively. The Patriarch of Constantinople reaffirmed the same in the 9th Century. And the librarian in charge of the vast Vatican libraries, Caesar Baronius, reaffirmed the same in the 16th century when tasked by the Pope with writing his Annales Ecclesiastici. He gave an exact date of 35 AD for when Christianity reached Britain.
Gildas writing from Britain in the 6th century recorded that Christianity reached Britain in the "latter part of the reign of Tiberius Caesar". This is understood to refer to the Emperor Claudius, whose first name was Tiberius, who began the Roman conquest of Britain in 43 AD and reigned until 54 AD. Simon Zelotes is said to have been crucified in the newly established Province of Britannia, as recorded by Dorotheus of Tyre. A different tradition says that Simon Zelotes was martyred in Persia with the apostle Jude, however this is mainly based on a work attributed to the semi-legendary bishop of Babylon, Abdias, who is said to be one of the Seventy Disciples, but whose name doesn't appear on any of the surviving lists.
Aristobulus of Britannia, one of the Seventy Disciples appointed by Christ in Luke 10, is named as the first bishop of Britain, in the oldest list we have of the Seventy Disciples. He is described as such in the lists of the Seventy Disciples by Hippolytus of Rome, Dorotheus of Tyre, and Epiphanius of Salamis. Another list of the Seventy Disciples, attributed to Irenaeus, includes Aristobulus. The Greek Church Marytrology names Aristobulus as having been martyred in Britain after establishing churches there and in the 9th century Ado the Archbishop of Vienna records the same in the Adonis Martyrologia. This is understood to be the same Aristobulus whose household in Rome, Paul salutes in his letters. It may be that Simon Zelotes and Aristobulus traveled west ahead of Paul.
Eusebius, the Father of Church History, writes that the early apostolic missions "reached the Isles of Britain". And Tertullian wrote that by his time Christianity had reached parts of Britain beyond Roman control, which is to say Scotland (called Caledonia by the Romans).
I've been transformed by exploring the early church councils, confessions, and creeds. Although I come from and married into a non-denominational Pentecostal background, I now resonate with classical Protestantism. However, joining the Lutheran Church, which aligns with my new convictions, feels impossible due to family dynamics. My wife and her parents would sever ties and potentially end our marriage if I were to convert due to their non denom pentecostal background. Im not sure what to do.
@@Greg_6565 so sorry for your predicament.
Where can we learn more about the Church of England prior to the reformation?
@@IronPyromancer
Moorman’s book entitled “The Church in England” is a good start but a rather scholarly read. Also Gerald McDermott’s Deep Anglicanism is very accessible.
@@Apriluser I believe you meant to write moorman. His book is excellent, very detailed.
Great video! 🙏🏻 Just a little correction, if I may: Charles V was Catherine's nephew. Other than that, hats off!
What's Henry VIII's least favourite fried chicken franchise?
POPEyes
St John Henry Newman, pray for us
nice video, i think the point about the principle of modern separation being from Queen Elizabeth I rather then Henry VIII is very important and often overlooked. but i disagree with a few things you said. 1) the title “head of the church” being attributed to the crown didn’t end with henry. it was attributed to elizabeth and subsequent princes. it’s not a title we should be ashamed of. our divines have defended it. and it means only what is affirmed in article 37. 2) elizabeth was a known protestant and enforced protestant ideas with coactive power. while she might have been more conservative regarding matters of discipline, regarding matters of doctrine she was firmly protestant. she didn’t just take middle role for healing.
@@royquick-s5n you say all this to say what exactly? i’m not understanding what your point is
Great Video!
One side question: Are you a part of the DCOH?
@@BobboBagginz yup
@@Young_Anglican ayyy same diocese!!
@@royquick-s5n diocese of Christ our Hope. It’s a diocese in the ACNA
yes
Recommend some books defending Anglicanism.
Fellow Anglican here:
The old religion by JLC Dart is great. It’s pretty funny and easy to read.
Deep Anglicanism by Gerald McDermott is also fantastic. I would get the second edition. Dr. McDermott is one of the premier Anglican theologians of our time.
The apology by John Jewel is short. It was the definitive work defending Anglicanism against Catholicism during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I.
Of the Laws of Ecclesial Polity by Richard Hooker was written shortly after the apology and defends the Anglicanism from other Protestant groups.
@@BobboBagginz Thanks for suggesting a plethora of indispensable resources!🙏
@@BobboBagginz I would add, "The Catholic Religion: A Manual of Instruction for Members of the Anglican Church" by Vernon Staley. I had to do a course on this book in my path to ordination as a deacon in the Continuing Anglican Church. Best book on Anglicanism that I have ever read.
The above recommendations are great, imo the other greatest Anglican defense outside of Laws is "A Learned Discourse on Justification."
Also, A Disputation on Holy Scripture on Holy Scripture is A+ too.
I'm Lutheran and a hardcore soy-er of Gerhard, but I seriously think Hooker gives one of the best expositions and defenses of Justification ever. Depending on the translation, it can be intermediate or very difficult. If you can read Laws, you can easily read Discourse.
@@royquick-s5nI would assume they were tentatively accepted. It seems like the Church of England has been largely amenable to Lutheran doctrine as acceptable, but never expressing any sort of vocal support for it. That's my intuition at least!
“We have the right to cause schisms when we disagree doctrinally” I think this statement could use its own video. In one sense I would agree. Heresy is a good reason to schism, but in another sense I think holding the belief that your archbishop is the only bishop you need to be in communion with is schismatic and dangerous.
The Church decides what is heresy or schism. If you have a disagreement with a ‘brother,’ you take the disagreement to the church. If someone ‘still’ disagrees, The Church should treat them like a tax-collector.
what a joke. heresy like divorce, contraception, female priests
It is so good to finally see this addressed. Frankly, I am worn out on the "King Henry the 8th started your Church" nonsense. It is a surprise to so many that Anglican church actually began definitvely in the 2nd century (though some have made the case for the 1st century), has bishops in apostolic succession, and was autonomous from the Roman church until the end of the 6th century. This means that Henry did not create a novel situation but actually restored to its roots. I am not here to defend Henry's character, he was seriously flawed. As far as the pope's refusal to grant an annulment, this fact needs to be conveyed: Catherine of Aragon (Henry "wife") , was the aunt of emperor Charles V, who had the pope under his thumb. So there is a familial and political force clearly at play here. There was also a personal antagonistic relationship between Henry and the Charles as well. All this to point out that history, even church history, can be messy and have shades of gray, not always black and white.
What a joke.
@@TheGrenadier97Your deeply intellectual and profound response is truly enlightening 😊
Churches don’t get to just declare their own independence from spiritual authority. Once you do this you introduce anarchy. Long suffering under bishops that are most of the time wolves is the only way
They don't? The East-West schism? Congregations have left TEC parishes to form ACNA parishes, and whole dioceses have gone to court to disaffiliate from TEC. Why? To keep to traditional biblical moral.🤔
The Continuing Anglican Churches are breakoffs from the Episcopal Church. It may be said that Anglican Church of North America was formed by Dioceses which parted from the Episcopal Church and by the Reformed Episcopal Church. You can see how Calvin Robinson and Brett Murphy have been treated by the Free Church of England. Brett Murphy may be an example of "suffering under bishops." 🤔
Thank you for this video. Very informative. You said that the Holy spirit guides the church in doctrinal development. Why is the catholic church confused & devided? Baptism, Eucerist, Sola or Prima Scripture, Patriarchy created & blessed by God or Gender equality created by God and Patriarchy the curse, Spiritual gifts for today & the church should be practicing or not?
Excellent video brother! Whenever someone will ask me how Anglicanism started, or why I follow horny Henry's religion, I'm just gonna send them this.
Get an education from Gavin Ashenden, former Chaplain to the Queen, who sees the reality of Anglicanism crystal clearly: th-cam.com/video/z9wmh9ad8C0/w-d-xo.html
Why should I join an English Church instead of the Universal Catholic Church????
Why join in the church of Rome when you can join the catholic church of England?
Catholic is not a denomination
What?
Woke: Henry VIII started the Anglican Church and was a bad guy.
Bespoke: Saint Henry Tudor of blessed memory, please pray for us and the true Holy Reformed Catholic Church.
Trads, Traditional Latin Mass people, are more likely to assert Henry VIII founded the Church of England. Sadly members of the Episcopal Church in the U.S., the Anglican Church of Canada, and the Church of England number among the woke.🤔
So where was the Anglican church before King Henry VIII of England?
@@jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613 The same Church. Anglicans do not view themselves having created a new church separate from the Church that existed previously. Neither did Mary I when she cracked down on it. Whether you know it or not Pope Pius IV offered to approve the Book of Common Prayer, including its eucharist and ordinal, if Elizabeth I would agree to the recognition of papal authority in England. The break followed in 1570 under another pope.
@@royquick-s5n "Anglicans do not view themselves having created a new church separate from the Church that existed previously. "
That is irrelevant how Anglican see themselves, where was the Anglican Church before King Henry VIII of England?
"Neither did Mary I when she cracked down on it. Whether you know it or not Pope Pius IV offered to approve the Book of Common Prayer, including its eucharist and ordinal, if Elizabeth I would agree to the recognition of papal authority in England."
How this relevant? The question did Anglican church exist before King Henry VIII of England and the answer is no. Originally the Anglican church was a schematic church with valid sacraments before it accept Calvinism.
@@jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613 Anglicans believe the Church of England was a continuation of the Church before it. They believe "the Church of Rome hath erred, not only in their living and manner of Ceremonies, but also in matters of Faith." and that was before the 19th and 20th centuries dogmas of papal infallibility, immaculate conception of Mary, and assumption of Mary, which would further divide. Acceptance of Calvinism? Anglicans suffered assaults from and combatted Puritans and Presbyterians, who were Calvinists. They refused their attempts to deform the Church.
How can this person be Anglican? Because God save the King.
I don't say that Henry VIII started the Anglican Church or the Church of England. I do say the annulment was wrong and Rome was right for not granting it and that his scriptural basis for the annulment was dead wrong.
Most of the Catholic universities at the time actually asserted that King Henry 8th had valid reason for an annulment. Also one important fact missing the presentation is that pope was captive both politically and quite literally the emperor who happened to be the nephew of Cathrine of Aragon. So the Popes unwillingness to grant the annulment had clearly a political motive behind it. Unfortunately, there is tendency to see Henry as the bad guy and the pope as the good guy. History, including church history, is not always so black and white.
@@petros810that depends on if she had relations with Prince Arthur which she did not and the ecclesiastical court could not prove it
@@williamjohnson3093 This
@@petros810 Even Martin Luther agreed with Rome
@@williamjohnson3093 .Catherine of Aragon was in fact his brother’s widow, which normally meant no lawful marriage could take place under canon law. As it was, Henry’s father bribed the Pope at the time to grant a dispensation so the marriage could take place, precisely because it was legally dubious.
On top of this, before marrying Catherine, Henry protested in writing against the marriage directly to the Pope. Henry actually didn't want the dispensation (no matter how big Catherine's tracts of land were). But his father, Henry VII, forced him to go through with it for political and financial reasons (he didn't want to return Catherine's sizable dowry). Documented unwillingness to marry is also ample grounds for an annulment on its own. Henry’s right hand man, Cardinal Wolsey, even got the backing of most theological universities across Europe, nearly all of which supported his request for an annulment.
Why did Henry require a male heir? He in fact did, who died in early adolescence, and both of his daughters subsequently became queen (horror of horrors?), and there was no resurrection of the wars of the roses, so that was a bullshit line from the outset.
The ones who wanted England out of the church was the greedy merchant class of England
This is a lot of historical fantasy.
In short yes
ENRIQUE CALIENTE! 😏
Most of the bishops who originally supported Henry’s schism from the One True Church reverted to Catholicism and remained so when Elizabeth pressured them again
@@royquick-s5n House arrest for those bishops until they died. Mary I was hardly any bloodier than any other monarch at the time. Heresy was a crime back then, and even in Protestant countries.
@@williamjohnson3093 Under Mary, large numbers of clergy were driven overseas. Bishops Latimer, Ridley, and Cranmer were burned at the stake. There were three years of religious persecution. Three hundred people were burned at the stake for their religious convictions.🤔
I suppose Mary I, "Bloody Mary," was lenient went she restored communion with Rome? In addition to some 300 people who were burned at the stake for their religious conviction were Bishops Latimer, Ridley, and Cranmer, not to mention the clergy who fled the country at the time. 🤔
@@royquick-s5n Yep all twelve of her bishops including those like Prince-Bishop Cuthbert Tunstall who supported Henry’s break with Rome refused to take the second Oath of Supremacy.
@@royquick-s5n Many accepted the schism out of fear. Most people today are the same and just follow whatever is fashionable.
Yes, he invented the Anglican Church which is why they don’t have valid orders.
The Schism started by Henry the 8th came to an end during the reign of Queen Mary. So it is impossible for the Anglican Church to have been founded by Henry the 8th unless you believe she fell completely out of existence during the time of Queen Mary.
You remember the time that the stupid Anglican Church changed its mind on contraception?? Saying it’s immoral one day then allowing it the next?
Or how about those lesbian bishops??? 😂
A pretty ridiculous political sect, if you ask me. And bloody too. Henry is one of these historical figures that deserves to rest in piss.
I love to call us the schismatic betrayers.