I remember playing this quest for the fist time. I was a young teen at the time. I don't know what it is, but Oblivion's ghosts and zombies creep me out. When I first went to sleep and woke up to the ghosts, I just ran since I couldn't fight them and was too freaked out. Doing this quest was terrifying. Lorgren's voice was so creepy and his boss fight was tough. The icing on cake was that the door didn't automatically open when I killed him and I panicked. I thought there was a key on his body or a secret hatch somewhere. When I found none, I thought it was a glitch and did the quest over again and had the same result. It took me a solid 30 minute to figure out that you can just open the door. There's my two Septims on the quest.
To be fair, the Mages Guild probably should've done more than just hide his skeletal hand in a jar and put it on top of a cupboard. You'd think with someone as powerful as Lorgren, they'd at least put some seals around the jar or something.
@@Shishomuru absolutely. The best way would probably to take the hand apart and spread the pieces across all parts of the mages guild. That way anyone who would try to resurrect Lorgren would have to infiltrate/rob in every single town.
The implication is a mortally injured Lorgren dismembered himself as part of his mysterious ritual. The huge red splotch on the Tome of Unlife isn't tomato soup
The real boom was in 2017, around The Time when the autism cat series started. I have Been so thrilled that Oblivion has stayed relevant all this Time!
Mannimarco is both a lich and a god. All the endings in daggerfall are canon and manninarco in daggerfall is a powerful lich.. he ascenda to godhood as the shade of the revenant. His ascension made the creation of black soul gems possible.. the necromancers moon is a celestial event that HE created. The reason why there is still another one on nirn in oblivion is a continuity error.. he is not supposed to be a high elf anymore but a lich.. but he is supposed to be two thanks to the dragon break. One lich, one god.
Yeah I think they didn’t really put much thought into him as a character for Oblivion. For ESO, they were maybe hoping that we’d have forgotten about him and how underpowered he was a few games ago
Is it the same Mannimarco in Oblivion? Pardon my lack of research, I haven’t done the mages quest in oblivion since I was probably 13 or 14. I do remember references to the king of worms and whatnot, but is it possible that he’s just a really big fan of the Lich or God and took on his name? Or is it truly just more dragonbreak weirdness that I am yet to comprehend?
@@VoodooTrashPanda it is but i would like to believe the oblivion one is just an incompetent body double. Because the real mannimarco still on nirn is a skeletal lich. But yes, it is in fact canon that there exists two mannimarcos. One lich, one god called the shade of the revenant
@@159tonyI vaguely remember Mannimarco in Daggerfall being a decent person. Sure, evil wizard and all, but he gives quests and that means something. And then the dragonbreak, because --Bethesda had no idea what they're doing-- ehhh ---Kirkbride is crazy-- mhhhh time and space are wonderous.
I love this quest so much. It's one of my favorites in the whole game. I honestly wish it was longer, but I can see that annoying other players, so it's probably just the right length for such a quest. It gives it time to ramp up and really unsettles the player the first time. I love slow, creeping horror that ends in a big way. The very first time I played this, I beat the ghosts, but was then beaten pretty badly. I could have just healed up, but I figured I could just sleep it off for an hour. In the same bed. That was a mistake, but one I'm glad I made. It really set the tone well.
When I was a kid, this quest scared the dickens out of me. There's something about undead in Oblivion; whether ghosts, zombies, or wraiths that even to this day just does not sit right with me. Even with this quest finished, I could never use this house. Doesn't help that the house magically gets its facelift at the end, which never gets explained, and that expansive basement remains. I just couldn't bring myself to sleep in that bed again.
They really nailed the uncanny vibe with Oblivion. Yes, the faces are inconsistent with Morrowind and Skyrim, and I'm all for making them less potatoy, but the undead are just spooky.
I like to think that the house getting repaired and redecorated at the end of the quest was one last act of gratitude by the spirits Lorgren enslaved. By destroying Lorgren, we freed them from his control. And as thanks for our actions, they fix up the home for the Hero of Kvatch before finally passing on.
I've never been bothered by the skeletons, ghosts, wraiths, or even the liches. But the zombies disturbed me to _no end_ as a kid. Even now, I still don't like having them around. Their rotted appearance, their shambling walk, their mangled faces, the horrific noises they make, the fact that they _don't even wear clothes..._ To this very day, I still refuse to buy a _single_ "Summon Zombie" Spell or Scroll. Skeletons are fine, ghosts and wraiths are doable. But zombies? Fuck. *THAT.* Edit: Fixed some typos.
I will never forget this mission 😂 Just about scraped together 5,000 septims, went to sleep and ambushed by ghosts 😅 My magic was awful and I had no silver or enchanted weapons on me so basically ran out screaming. Came back eventually to finish what turned out to be an amazing quest 😊
This quest used to scare the SHIT out of me as a kid, and I LOVED it. I know Oblivion is no horror game, but damn did it hit different back in the day.
Bethesda has always had occult overtones to their works. So many in this game and ES in general but a lot in fallout too. The voice acting for the lich in this quest was really good too. Definitely a spooky quest especially back in 2006 when I was in middle school 😂
God, the Order of the Black Worm. Ever since I was a kid, those guys freaked me out to no end. The mutilated corpses they leave strung up in their lairs, their habit of turning those who displease them into zombified Worm Thralls, the flat-out psychotic things they say, their sheer _brutality_ (Best seen in their attack on Bruma's Mages Guild building), and worst of all, their usage of _black soul gems._ In Skyrim, it's revealed that people who get trapped in black soul gems are transported to a hellish dimension where they are forced to spend the rest of eternity in a state of limbo. As a result of that last part, I make a point of only capturing the souls of necromancer adepts whenever I use a black soul gem. I mean, these guys are _creating_ black soul gems, and by extension dooming innocent people to a fate worse than death; so, it seems only fitting to use their own weapons against them, and leave them to the fate they were going to inflict on so many others.
I was the same way! They always freaked me out and it always spooked me knowing what they were doing to people and their recently deceased bodies! I like your idea with the black soul gems! It’s a good way to enact revenge on them!
I just trauma flashback to the mages guild quest where you have to catch them during the particular moon cycle by the fissure dungeon 😂 it was right next to the other super annoying makes guild dungeon for a quest, vahtacen
Oblivion junkie and just found your channel. This quest was very well written for a side quest. I feel anvil needed it though as i think overall as a port city it was under utilized
This brings back so many good memories. Oblivion was my first entry into an open world RPG. It’s hard to put to words the elated feeling of freedom and immersion I got when my cousin warned me about durability as I was admiring the physics of smacking a bucket around with the “starting” katana. Anvil was the second town I went to after joining the Chorrol Mage’s Guild. I was selling all the alchemy equipment and had enough money to buy the manor. I love spooky themes, so it turning out to be haunted and having an entire story around it was incredible. Added to the fact I had just gotten my first enchanted weapon (Red Wave cutlass) from the haunted ship in the harbor. It made Anvil my favorite city, being able to supplant Chorrol was a feat. It may or may not be the best quest in the game. But it’s certainly one of my favorites. I always kept the tome and Cutlass on me to remember Anvil.
This is one of my favorite quests and player homes in all of elder scrolls; that basement is amazing and I always look forward to it when I do a new playthrough of the game!
Ah yes, quest to start, but not to finish if you want guaranteed infinite farm of grand souls from the ghosts (about pc lvl 19 they have grand souls and respawn).
I love how if you play this quest with really high fame there's a bug that makes it so you can't improve your disposition with Velwyn and convince him to lift the curse, and the universal fix for this bug is just beat the shit out of him and lower his disposition.
I first played this quest when I was like like 10 and I couldn’t figure out that the vase had something to do with the quest I kept walking past it got mad I couldn’t figure out what to do then just left and never finished the quest
@@ABardsBallad I honnestly noticed it on my second playthrough. Because I was doing the quest for the mages guild in Anvil. And needed a better player home.
21:00 1. ESO isn't canon 2. It's directly stated what happened to Mannimarco, and it all happened in Daggerfall. All but one of the endings of Daggerfall are canon, despite being mutually exclusive. It was then that Mannimarco became both the Necromancer's Moon and gd of necromancy, and also remained on Nirn as a mortal.
honestly, if Oblivion had the flexibility of Baldurs Gate 3.... I feel a response to the "be rid of the stain on the Benirus name" bit Velwyn says would be "oh a stain? how bout I make a mistakes of the Benirus Family Museum, and let the Mages guild handle it while I benefit from dragging your family through the mud?" to get him to come back and help
Every time someone call Oblivion "cities" "city", i cringe. Those are like one street, 4 houses and a park (and why build wall around the park, only Bethesda would know), not cities.
@N7mudkip Oblivion's design is not bad, it's abhorrent. Those are the worst cities in the entire series, i would say the worst in any video game ive ever played. Skyrim's cities (5 big ones), even if small, are much, much better in terms of design (unique) and layout (sensible). Oblivion's architecture is repeatable, uninteresting and often simply stupid. And cities makes no sense. Nah dude, Bethesda in 30 years of Elder Scrolls designed 0 genuinely good cities. Daggerfall cities looked like shit. Vivec was designed like shit, Imperial City was designed like shit and there were no cities in Skyrim. Wanna see something to be grateful for? Go see Khorinis, that was a city. Novigrad, another one.
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I remember playing this quest for the fist time. I was a young teen at the time. I don't know what it is, but Oblivion's ghosts and zombies creep me out. When I first went to sleep and woke up to the ghosts, I just ran since I couldn't fight them and was too freaked out. Doing this quest was terrifying. Lorgren's voice was so creepy and his boss fight was tough. The icing on cake was that the door didn't automatically open when I killed him and I panicked. I thought there was a key on his body or a secret hatch somewhere. When I found none, I thought it was a glitch and did the quest over again and had the same result. It took me a solid 30 minute to figure out that you can just open the door. There's my two Septims on the quest.
I was in the same boat! They nailed the spooky factor for this one and it really creeped me out!
To be fair, the Mages Guild probably should've done more than just hide his skeletal hand in a jar and put it on top of a cupboard. You'd think with someone as powerful as Lorgren, they'd at least put some seals around the jar or something.
😂 very true! I’m surprised they didn’t look into it further or anything of the sorts!
Oblivions mages guild we're a bunch of morons so...
@@Shishomuru absolutely.
The best way would probably to take the hand apart and spread the pieces across all parts of the mages guild. That way anyone who would try to resurrect Lorgren would have to infiltrate/rob in every single town.
The implication is a mortally injured Lorgren dismembered himself as part of his mysterious ritual. The huge red splotch on the Tome of Unlife isn't tomato soup
Love seeing a resurgence of popularity of Oblivion on TH-cam and seeing your channel grow
Thank you for being a part of it all! :) I’m really happy that others feel the same way about this game that I do! :)
The real boom was in 2017, around The Time when the autism cat series started. I have Been so thrilled that Oblivion has stayed relevant all this Time!
@@anttitheinternetguy3213 Oblivion will never be forgotten
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Mannimarco is both a lich and a god.
All the endings in daggerfall are canon and manninarco in daggerfall is a powerful lich.. he ascenda to godhood as the shade of the revenant. His ascension made the creation of black soul gems possible.. the necromancers moon is a celestial event that HE created.
The reason why there is still another one on nirn in oblivion is a continuity error.. he is not supposed to be a high elf anymore but a lich.. but he is supposed to be two thanks to the dragon break. One lich, one god.
Yeah I think they didn’t really put much thought into him as a character for Oblivion. For ESO, they were maybe hoping that we’d have forgotten about him and how underpowered he was a few games ago
Is it the same Mannimarco in Oblivion? Pardon my lack of research, I haven’t done the mages quest in oblivion since I was probably 13 or 14. I do remember references to the king of worms and whatnot, but is it possible that he’s just a really big fan of the Lich or God and took on his name?
Or is it truly just more dragonbreak weirdness that I am yet to comprehend?
@@VoodooTrashPanda it is but i would like to believe the oblivion one is just an incompetent body double. Because the real mannimarco still on nirn is a skeletal lich.
But yes, it is in fact canon that there exists two mannimarcos. One lich, one god called the shade of the revenant
@@159tonyI vaguely remember Mannimarco in Daggerfall being a decent person. Sure, evil wizard and all, but he gives quests and that means something.
And then the dragonbreak, because --Bethesda had no idea what they're doing-- ehhh ---Kirkbride is crazy-- mhhhh time and space are wonderous.
I love this quest so much. It's one of my favorites in the whole game. I honestly wish it was longer, but I can see that annoying other players, so it's probably just the right length for such a quest. It gives it time to ramp up and really unsettles the player the first time. I love slow, creeping horror that ends in a big way.
The very first time I played this, I beat the ghosts, but was then beaten pretty badly. I could have just healed up, but I figured I could just sleep it off for an hour. In the same bed. That was a mistake, but one I'm glad I made. It really set the tone well.
I agree! I really like this quest too and wish it was longer! They did an excellent job with the build and up and the suspense!
When I was a kid, this quest scared the dickens out of me. There's something about undead in Oblivion; whether ghosts, zombies, or wraiths that even to this day just does not sit right with me. Even with this quest finished, I could never use this house. Doesn't help that the house magically gets its facelift at the end, which never gets explained, and that expansive basement remains. I just couldn't bring myself to sleep in that bed again.
They really nailed the uncanny vibe with Oblivion.
Yes, the faces are inconsistent with Morrowind and Skyrim, and I'm all for making them less potatoy, but the undead are just spooky.
I like to think that the house getting repaired and redecorated at the end of the quest was one last act of gratitude by the spirits Lorgren enslaved. By destroying Lorgren, we freed them from his control. And as thanks for our actions, they fix up the home for the Hero of Kvatch before finally passing on.
I've never been bothered by the skeletons, ghosts, wraiths, or even the liches. But the zombies disturbed me to _no end_ as a kid. Even now, I still don't like having them around. Their rotted appearance, their shambling walk, their mangled faces, the horrific noises they make, the fact that they _don't even wear clothes..._ To this very day, I still refuse to buy a _single_ "Summon Zombie" Spell or Scroll. Skeletons are fine, ghosts and wraiths are doable. But zombies? Fuck. *THAT.*
Edit: Fixed some typos.
Bro i beg of you, dont stop uploading, I'm loving EVERY SINGLE one of these amazing videos. The only way is up!! 🎉
With that level of support how can I stop? :) I really appreciate the kind words and the channel is only ramping up from here! :)
I will never forget this mission 😂
Just about scraped together 5,000 septims, went to sleep and ambushed by ghosts 😅
My magic was awful and I had no silver or enchanted weapons on me so basically ran out screaming.
Came back eventually to finish what turned out to be an amazing quest 😊
This quest used to scare the SHIT out of me as a kid, and I LOVED it. I know Oblivion is no horror game, but damn did it hit different back in the day.
😂 I was the exact same way! It still gave me a bit of a spook from all of the anticipation while doing it! Definitely a top tier quest! :)
Bethesda has always had occult overtones to their works. So many in this game and ES in general but a lot in fallout too. The voice acting for the lich in this quest was really good too. Definitely a spooky quest especially back in 2006 when I was in middle school 😂
These videos are really well fleshed out. I'm a fan.
Thank you for the continued support! :)
Excellent quality. Oblivion vids are a rarity but a welcome one. Thank ye kind sir!
Thank you for the support and the kind words! :)
I found your channel yesterday and its so awesome to still see someone do Oblivion videos and some of the best quality ones ive ever seen thanks
I really appreciate the support and the kind words! I’m really glad that other people still enjoy this game as much as I do 17 years later!
Loving the videos man. Top notch quality.
Thank you for the kind words and support! :)
God, the Order of the Black Worm. Ever since I was a kid, those guys freaked me out to no end. The mutilated corpses they leave strung up in their lairs, their habit of turning those who displease them into zombified Worm Thralls, the flat-out psychotic things they say, their sheer _brutality_ (Best seen in their attack on Bruma's Mages Guild building), and worst of all, their usage of _black soul gems._ In Skyrim, it's revealed that people who get trapped in black soul gems are transported to a hellish dimension where they are forced to spend the rest of eternity in a state of limbo.
As a result of that last part, I make a point of only capturing the souls of necromancer adepts whenever I use a black soul gem. I mean, these guys are _creating_ black soul gems, and by extension dooming innocent people to a fate worse than death; so, it seems only fitting to use their own weapons against them, and leave them to the fate they were going to inflict on so many others.
I was the same way! They always freaked me out and it always spooked me knowing what they were doing to people and their recently deceased bodies! I like your idea with the black soul gems! It’s a good way to enact revenge on them!
I just trauma flashback to the mages guild quest where you have to catch them during the particular moon cycle by the fissure dungeon 😂 it was right next to the other super annoying makes guild dungeon for a quest, vahtacen
Bethesda dropped their balls in Skyrim, undead creatures and nexromancy in skyrim r lame, weak, bland and has no individuality
Oblivion junkie and just found your channel. This quest was very well written for a side quest. I feel anvil needed it though as i think overall as a port city it was under utilized
I agree! Anvil definitely needed a little more attention given to it!
This brings back so many good memories. Oblivion was my first entry into an open world RPG.
It’s hard to put to words the elated feeling of freedom and immersion I got when my cousin warned me about durability as I was admiring the physics of smacking a bucket around with the “starting” katana.
Anvil was the second town I went to after joining the Chorrol Mage’s Guild. I was selling all the alchemy equipment and had enough money to buy the manor. I love spooky themes, so it turning out to be haunted and having an entire story around it was incredible. Added to the fact I had just gotten my first enchanted weapon (Red Wave cutlass) from the haunted ship in the harbor. It made Anvil my favorite city, being able to supplant Chorrol was a feat.
It may or may not be the best quest in the game. But it’s certainly one of my favorites. I always kept the tome and Cutlass on me to remember Anvil.
This is one of my favorite quests and player homes in all of elder scrolls; that basement is amazing and I always look forward to it when I do a new playthrough of the game!
Love these well articulated Elder Scrolls videos. Glad to see someone doing oblivion content, keep up the good work!!
Thank you for the support! :) I’m glad people are still enjoying Oblivion after all these years!
Ah yes, quest to start, but not to finish if you want guaranteed infinite farm of grand souls from the ghosts (about pc lvl 19 they have grand souls and respawn).
I didn’t think about that angle! Very interesting actually!
This was my favorite quest when I played. It's great, cheap housing, as long as you can beat those first ghosts.
Personally I love anvil. And when I play I consider the House there as a holiday home
I really enjoy the city as well!
Favorite quest/ storage place.
So awesome to see your channel grow bro!!
I appreciate the support! :) thank you!
Hearing those housing numbers is strange. The housing market in hammerfell is brutal, way more 0's than the imperial capital.
😂 tougher market out West!
If I was a necromancer I would try to get a bunch of skeletons to do thriller. Everytime I wiped out my enemies.
😂 I like the idea!
Ok mister Worm
Glad you covered this one. You get a nice house out of it at least
The cheapest and arguably second nicest too! :)
@16:52 lol or your could just Deck him in the shnoz!
(Fists hurt ghosts, and unarmed playthrough is fun. :] )
That is true too! A little left hook and right uppercut will to the trick!
Awesome video. I just subbed this week 🥰
Thank you for the kind words and the support! I really appreciate it! :)
I love how if you play this quest with really high fame there's a bug that makes it so you can't improve your disposition with Velwyn and convince him to lift the curse, and the universal fix for this bug is just beat the shit out of him and lower his disposition.
I first played this quest when I was like like 10 and I couldn’t figure out that the vase had something to do with the quest I kept walking past it got mad I couldn’t figure out what to do then just left and never finished the quest
by the time I did this quest my ghosts where wraiths, even less fun then ghosts
Oh yeah those will definitely be a lot tougher!
This quest jumpscared me so bad as a little 9 year old the first time I played it lol
Yippee, new video :)
Glad you like them! :)
Let’s go 🙏
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I had to pay 20,000 gold for the manor! Damn inflation
17:56 They must have made the quest before they did the mages guild. Lorgran calls Carahil a he....shes not a guy. Always bugged me.
I noticed that in my research and when playing through! Very interesting!
@@ABardsBallad I honnestly noticed it on my second playthrough. Because I was doing the quest for the mages guild in Anvil. And needed a better player home.
Call me crazy, but maybe Carahil is a family name? Perhaps her ancestor was the male mentioned.
@@ODSTlonewolf257 That could be a possibility. But im never sure if BGS made elves older than humans in the game
@@ODSTlonewolf257 Im just glad its not like High Guardian Spice 🤣
I think i used to have a house there !
It’s a great spot!
Wish we could have became a lich
It would’ve been really cool!
The quest in quest-tion am I right
21:00 1. ESO isn't canon
2. It's directly stated what happened to Mannimarco, and it all happened in Daggerfall. All but one of the endings of Daggerfall are canon, despite being mutually exclusive. It was then that Mannimarco became both the Necromancer's Moon and gd of necromancy, and also remained on Nirn as a mortal.
Bit late to comment, but ESO absolutely is canon.
1:04 What other continents?
Iirc I believe there's one other continent
If you know eso lore you know that he is very much not as strong as Manimarko.
He is not! That leads me to believe he could be an imposter, or just underdeveloped backstory from 2006!
My feet stink
honestly, if Oblivion had the flexibility of Baldurs Gate 3.... I feel a response to the "be rid of the stain on the Benirus name" bit Velwyn says would be "oh a stain? how bout I make a mistakes of the Benirus Family Museum, and let the Mages guild handle it while I benefit from dragging your family through the mud?" to get him to come back and help
Cyrodiil real estate licensing is slack af
That’s where all the foreign investors make it big!
Hiw do you consistently mispronounce nanes that are said repeatedly in game?
Its across all of your vuds
Fix your spelling before criticizing someone mispronouncing words. 😂
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Every time someone call Oblivion "cities" "city", i cringe. Those are like one street, 4 houses and a park (and why build wall around the park, only Bethesda would know), not cities.
That is indeed what a city is! We’re used to crazy big infrastructure today but for the times (or elder scrolls times) those are what cities are!
What a terrible take
What a terrible take
Be grateful for a 2006 game that has this level of detail and genuinely good/unique design for its cities. Skyrim’s towns were a huge step back
@N7mudkip Oblivion's design is not bad, it's abhorrent. Those are the worst cities in the entire series, i would say the worst in any video game ive ever played. Skyrim's cities (5 big ones), even if small, are much, much better in terms of design (unique) and layout (sensible). Oblivion's architecture is repeatable, uninteresting and often simply stupid. And cities makes no sense.
Nah dude, Bethesda in 30 years of Elder Scrolls designed 0 genuinely good cities. Daggerfall cities looked like shit. Vivec was designed like shit, Imperial City was designed like shit and there were no cities in Skyrim.
Wanna see something to be grateful for? Go see Khorinis, that was a city. Novigrad, another one.
Second!
Appreciate the support! :)
This game is too goofy to be even remotely scary. Good attempt, though.
At least install the character overhaul. It's 2023 and your still playing with potatoes. For shame.
I like playing with potatoes!
Imagine needing texture upgrades to enjoy a game. Such a normie member of Gen Z
not that it REALLY matters to the content you provide here, but what the f@ck are the settings you are using? Start a go fund me for a better gpu, please.