Actually, one of the simplest methods I'd think for 'capping' the economy would be to limit the maximum amount of gold per account. The closer the cap is to an amount actually obtainable by a normal person (5-10M?), the less inflation there can be. And they could also cap the amount of gold any account could sell on AH/day. They could limit the amount of gold transferable in trades between individuals too to limit 'grey' market transactions. I don't think Bliz. cares about overinflation.
Very much appreciate the abridged version, Marcus. Makes the video a whole lot smoother and better to follow. Got a like on both videos like you do on everyone of your videos.
MD, just clarifying something you mentioned. You spoke of a million peso bill and I believe you meant the mil peso bill the word "mil" means one thousand and not one million. There is no one million peso bill. That is based on 6 years living here in Mexico and you can check Wikipedia. So the inflation is not as out of hand as you may have thought.
They hack the forums (or run their own) to farm email addresses. From there, it's just a matter of a password reset. Beware of guilds that ask you to register on their forums. They could be looking for your emails. Never use the same address as you use on your game accounts if you ever do that. Make a gmail account.
I have no idea what you are talking about. They were NEVER going to buff legendaries, they said IF they would, they'd do it in 1.1 (the pvp patch, confirmed)
My friend Mike got his account hacked by a gold seller a few days ago... He's still working on getting it back: The guy has played 100 hours nonstop of his monk (and even bought him gear giving 200% gold increase, etc) and has made over $20,000,000 so far >_>
good video, i checked your game codes site and I noticed that some of the codes on your site are even cheaper than the ones I bought before ^_^ I will get them from you now
I don't think we'll see an MMO like UO anymore though, it lived in the infancy of the online era. So many things it did would never even be considered in a modern MMO. 'Tis a real shame. :(
There are always memory injections every time a packet is sent from your computer to whatever server you are connected to. If these injections don't match up (too many or too less) depending on the activities that are going on it could be investigated.. Nothing is undetected it's just a matter of patching and updating to remove addresses and such from the data storage (blocking/banning).
Kind of. Every move to remove gold out of the economy is kind of a tax to avoid hyperinflation (such as repairingcosts, using the blacksmith/jeweler and the "tax" blizz takes away from every auction).
Pay careful attention when the farmer says that his and other bots are detectable if Blizz wants to. This goes for every single bot for every game or program. There is no such thing as an undetectable bot/program/hack. It even is a small effort for a programmer to reverse engineer a bot and instantly can add a detection for the method that bot uses. Honorbuddy and other popular bots for WoW are actually not getting banned not because they are undetectable, but because Blizz allows you too.(money
I've been looking into this. It is not only Chinese running bots, a lot of Americans and Europeans are as well. You can make about 20 buck a day with each account. Apparently Hellbuddy was a good bot app, but it just got purged and the accounts banned. This is only good for Blizzard, as all those farmers needed to buy new copies of the game. This whole thing is a sick direction for video games to be taking. It's madness.
Really informative video. Never thought about the hacking of forums for email/passwords until he mentioned it and then thought, duh, that's so obvious. Definitely understood him wanting blizzard to go after farmers because he figures it will take out the amateurs and leave the pros like him.
These people make millions. 6k is nothing but pocket change. His group are pros, thus they will always find a way around and never go out of business. I love these interviews because you are dealing with very very smart individuals.
Interesting interview Mark. That farmer sounds like "Nancy Botwin" trying to take out competition before he/she gets nailed. The farmer makes a valid point about using different passwords for everything as well. I'd imagine a very small percentage of the world does just that.
one thing though that farmer said that isn't really true atm. Legendaries are not worth a lot currently since rares are better in ilvl endgame. Now even more since blizzard stated that the legendaries were going to get buffed (but not the ones allready found) thus currently I'm suprised that they would be a good investment since once they get buffed they will hopefully become better then rares currently
It's not just kids, and like I said it's people who have not got the time to play it through 4 times and farm levels, they maybe want to prepare for PvP but don't have the time. And as for your quote on 'you'll have lots of gold in no time' I've played my demon hunter for 120+ hours and don't have a lot of gold...
If I could have type more I would have - I do enjoy watching your channel, I just disagree with a lot that was said in this one particular video, but that doesn't take away what's said in your other ones. I Subscribed sir!
Why wouldn't he have multiple monitors? I have a total of 6 - 3 for eyefinity, and then another dual monitor setup and then a 46" up to a laptop for films
By having a his own ''Server'' (the computer machine) he can run allot of them without needing to run the game at full requierment, no need tu use graphic card or sound or whatever, he only needs a Bot that uses the datas of the game/blizz servers.
I want frostmourne so bad!!, i have actually been waiting for some kind of gold farmer interview for a while, i have always been wondering why and how they do it :) and this farmer sounds like a nice guy :)
It's not pointless. It shows an actual live gold farmer in Diablo, and how messed up the market will be unless Blizzard takes action. When even the gold farmers are complaining, there's a problem.
Not true at all, there are tons of valuable legendaries and set items (e.g. stormshield, andys, lacuni) that probably won't get changed (other than AS nerf); besides, prices will be very unstable during the first days of RMAH so you can snatch a very good profit by selling these.
D3 is based on D2's vernacular of being a safe environment. Seems like if there are still bots/scripts/programs running then it's D2 all over again. I really, really, really, do hope that Blizzard stabilizes this problem and give legitimate players a fair chance to play this game WITHOUT having to rely on 3rd party services for necessary equipment to get through this game. It's what broke the game in D2 in the first place.
At the time you'd posted this, legal gold was worth $0.25 per 1m (1/40 of your rate), and as low as $0.10 per 1m from some black market sites (1/100 of your rate). Why would you expect people to pay 100 times as much? And now gold's down to $0.25 per 10m, which would be 1/400 of your going rate per 1m.
Valuable legendaries that can be beaten by rares or even blues depending on stats. Thats why blizzard is buffing them. Legendaries are suppose to be top of the top. Set pieces are second place mixed in with rares. Blues are suppose to be the welfare until a yellow and work your way up. They screwed the dog on D3 release, the games been broken since day 1. And even my farming methods that make me millions, items, etc. is still secret and never to be touched.
I have never looked into credit card or paypal fraud for commerces like Blizzard. When hackers use stolen assets to buy games, surely the credit compagnies or paypal doesn't always know that the assets are stolen and must sometimes complete the payments. On top of that, I am assuming that they must have insurance for fraud. If someone knows plz let me know.
You can't honestly believe that, can you? If Blizzard never touched the game from this point on, then yeah, but they are planning some pretty huge changes additions. Most online games like this go through many changes in the first year and get better and better. I haven't seen an MMO or any online RPG come out as a perfect gem. Diablo 3 is WAY too young to think that TONS of things won't change for the better.
A weekend of farming, i.e. playing (not botting) Act 3/ 4 over and over just to make 1m, then I go to get the sword I need to get past act 2 inferno and it costs 5m! It must start to level out at some point, I will never pay for gold or any items on RMAH. Meanwhile, Blizzard just disable windowed mode, I have looked into how bots work and they need to interact by clicking on the window. I like using windowed mode to browse AH, but I would give that up to stop botters..
Frostmourne, please! I heard it is impossible to get unless buying it for an insanely high price which is even twice as much of how much it actually costed when blizzard sold it :(
He introduces this abridged version and talks about it being abridged for 2 minutes. How about an abridged version without needing another abridged version. Thanks for the video, though, bro.
Hey, have you heard of "D3 Max Out Turbo" (just do a Google search for it...)? There you will find a smart free video showing how to speed run Diablo 3. It made it possible for Pete to speed level through Diablo 3 and therefore max out his character very quickly. Hopefully it will work for you too.
so pretty much you are forced to buy farmed gold through rmah, if you want items from an auction source. Farming gold will not yield sufficient gold to ever purchase an item. "unless you china farm"
The legendaries were to be buffed in 1.0.3 until they said it would be later in possibly 1.3. 1.3 Isn't strictly pvp patch. Thats lul right there if you think so.
Even if he/she sold there gold for .50 cents per 1million gold that would still be $30 bucks an hour which is equally the same as doing a above average job, but hes doing it 24 hours a day so he/she is making above $700 a day, thats a crazy amount and botters probably get rich off this
Really interesting videos. I am really intrigued by how these hackers get your information. This isn't just relevant for those with gaming accounts but relevant if you have any online accounts, bank accounts, paypal, facebook etc etc
like he said, why would blizz get rid of botters, they make money too. it be easy to make a program to spot just by going playtime or paragon lvls. no one can play for 24 hours straight for a few days.
Wow, jesus... 60 million gold an hour, at 12 $ per million, that's 720 $ per hour, 17k $ per day, 480k $ per month. Hell even if the price went down to 1 $ per million he'd still make 40k $ per month. I didn't think you could make this much money with farming. :O
I used to Bot before 1.4... it was quite easy: 1) build a barb with allot of GF and average radius 2)set it at a checkpoint ( favorite was Leoric's manor entrance) to the stairs which have 2 big pack of mobs between these 2 points 3) record the run with Mouse recorder 4) play it 5) made 7m/day 6) get ban because you are top 100 world Elite and mobs killed LOL
Blizzard did not increase the drop rate, they decreased the drop rate. Most of this video is incorrect. When Blizzard releases new patches they have ALWAYS decreased the drop rates. This helps increase the value of the item and also increase the cost for gold. And as far as the AH become flooding, well that was true, but in your video it wasn't taken into account that it would also be bought out almost instantly. Predictions are just predictions but through reasoning it should've been obvious.
Hackers have all means. He even said atleast one in the video of how it happens. And people's ignorance and bliss of they are safe little carebears in this time and age of society allows hackers to easily do their job, because people's sense of their small password being the best defense between hacked or not.
They were some of the "top" former players in sc2 that could beat most amateurs easily but when it came to facing one another they all had a system and followed it, thus corrupting the game. Blizzcon have to do with anything? Thats where some of the top players come to win prize money of thousands of dollars or more to play each other. That shows how much you know. Your argument is now void and it ends here because now I know I'm fighting a intellectually unarmed man.
Hello, have you considered "D3 Max Out Turbo" (do a Google search for it)? There you will find a nice free video showing the way to speed run Diablo 3. This made it possible for Pete to speed level in Diablo 3 and max out his character very fast. I hope it will work for you as well...
I wholeheartedly agree with you in that bots and people like this are ruining games. But im gonna make sort of a contradiction in that you cant let people ruin the game for you, so what ever makes you able to enjoy the game is what you should do. I feel that once a game is released it should be owned and controlled by the public, that could turn out very badly if it were true but in a naive sort of view that is how id like things to work, but that will never happen. Enjoy what you can attain.
So he was making $1500+ an hour? Well, damn.
Actually, one of the simplest methods I'd think for 'capping' the economy would be to limit the maximum amount of gold per account. The closer the cap is to an amount actually obtainable by a normal person (5-10M?), the less inflation there can be. And they could also cap the amount of gold any account could sell on AH/day. They could limit the amount of gold transferable in trades between individuals too to limit 'grey' market transactions. I don't think Bliz. cares about overinflation.
Very much appreciate the abridged version, Marcus.
Makes the video a whole lot smoother and better to follow.
Got a like on both videos like you do on everyone of your videos.
Turn on the closed captions. It makes it so much better.
MD, just clarifying something you mentioned. You spoke of a million peso bill and I believe you meant the mil peso bill the word "mil" means one thousand and not one million. There is no one million peso bill. That is based on 6 years living here in Mexico and you can check Wikipedia. So the inflation is not as out of hand as you may have thought.
They hack the forums (or run their own) to farm email addresses. From there, it's just a matter of a password reset. Beware of guilds that ask you to register on their forums. They could be looking for your emails. Never use the same address as you use on your game accounts if you ever do that. Make a gmail account.
I have no idea what you are talking about. They were NEVER going to buff legendaries, they said IF they would, they'd do it in 1.1 (the pvp patch, confirmed)
My friend Mike got his account hacked by a gold seller a few days ago...
He's still working on getting it back: The guy has played 100 hours nonstop of his monk (and even bought him gear giving 200% gold increase, etc) and has made over $20,000,000 so far >_>
Awesome vid.This is some crazy info as an amateur gold farmer. I subbed!
This was very interesting and informative, one of the better videos I've seen in awhile! Thank you, and subscribed :)
Awesome interview markeedragon!
Very interesting to see how this market moves.
awesome interview Markee ! Keep the awesome coming
thats not a silly comment... markeedragon actually asked "12 dollars PER gold" not "12 dollars per million"
Yes. this is the second sword I'll be giving away. This is my personal one. The other one we gave away was purchased as a prize.
good video, i checked your game codes site and I noticed that some of the codes on your site are even cheaper than the ones I bought before ^_^ I will get them from you now
Hey markeedragon thanks for all the work you done on this
14:30 Sounds like he also has World of Warcraft in the Background and a "Murloc" goes "BLAARARAGH"
It was 12 dollars/million at the time of the interview. (4 weeks go)
Do some research before making silly comments.
Great video. Awesome effort as always. I would take care of that sword as if it was still in your possession. Oh great ones hear my plea :)
I don't think we'll see an MMO like UO anymore though, it lived in the infancy of the online era. So many things it did would never even be considered in a modern MMO. 'Tis a real shame. :(
Hey markee can you do a bit of coverage on Guildwars 2? I don't know if you played the beta last weekend but it was bloody amazing.
Everything you ever wanted to know, but were afraid to ask. Great Video!
Oh Marcus... i've been subscribed since you started this channel =p. that Frostmourne would look nice on my wall haha.
There are always memory injections every time a packet is sent from your computer to whatever server you are connected to. If these injections don't match up (too many or too less) depending on the activities that are going on it could be investigated.. Nothing is undetected it's just a matter of patching and updating to remove addresses and such from the data storage (blocking/banning).
Often the question wasn't answered at all, or is that just me?
Kind of. Every move to remove gold out of the economy is kind of a tax to avoid hyperinflation (such as repairingcosts, using the blacksmith/jeweler and the "tax" blizz takes away from every auction).
that sword is so beautiful! and this is a well made video, thanks.
The big problem with sets are the ones with weapons. They never have near high enough DPS to make them viable at this point.
Pay careful attention when the farmer says that his and other bots are detectable if Blizz wants to. This goes for every single bot for every game or program. There is no such thing as an undetectable bot/program/hack. It even is a small effort for a programmer to reverse engineer a bot and instantly can add a detection for the method that bot uses. Honorbuddy and other popular bots for WoW are actually not getting banned not because they are undetectable, but because Blizz allows you too.(money
I've been looking into this. It is not only Chinese running bots, a lot of Americans and Europeans are as well. You can make about 20 buck a day with each account. Apparently Hellbuddy was a good bot app, but it just got purged and the accounts banned. This is only good for Blizzard, as all those farmers needed to buy new copies of the game. This whole thing is a sick direction for video games to be taking. It's madness.
Really informative video. Never thought about the hacking of forums for email/passwords until he mentioned it and then thought, duh, that's so obvious. Definitely understood him wanting blizzard to go after farmers because he figures it will take out the amateurs and leave the pros like him.
These people make millions. 6k is nothing but pocket change. His group are pros, thus they will always find a way around and never go out of business. I love these interviews because you are dealing with very very smart individuals.
Woa. Frostmourne. That's a must have for an old WoW player like me. Subscribed.
Interesting interview Mark. That farmer sounds like "Nancy Botwin" trying to take out competition before he/she gets nailed.
The farmer makes a valid point about using different passwords for everything as well. I'd imagine a very small percentage of the world does just that.
when will the giveaway end? is it international (I would even pay shipping)?
one thing though that farmer said that isn't really true atm. Legendaries are not worth a lot currently since rares are better in ilvl endgame. Now even more since blizzard stated that the legendaries were going to get buffed (but not the ones allready found) thus currently I'm suprised that they would be a good investment since once they get buffed they will hopefully become better then rares currently
It's not just kids, and like I said it's people who have not got the time to play it through 4 times and farm levels, they maybe want to prepare for PvP but don't have the time. And as for your quote on 'you'll have lots of gold in no time' I've played my demon hunter for 120+ hours and don't have a lot of gold...
This video was not a suprise, but amazed me at the scope of just 1 person. Really opened my eyes... TY for the V\vid...
is the frostmourn still available?
or is it already out of stock?
If I could have type more I would have - I do enjoy watching your channel, I just disagree with a lot that was said in this one particular video, but that doesn't take away what's said in your other ones. I Subscribed sir!
great video/interview, very interesting. Thanks Marcus & anonymous farmer
I think he misunderstood,by chinese farmer he meant he was a gold farmer not actually chinese.
Why wouldn't he have multiple monitors? I have a total of 6 - 3 for eyefinity, and then another dual monitor setup and then a 46" up to a laptop for films
By having a his own ''Server'' (the computer machine) he can run allot of them without needing to run the game at full requierment, no need tu use graphic card or sound or whatever, he only needs a Bot that uses the datas of the game/blizz servers.
Why do forum sites store their users passwords ffs? Do they not understand how secure hashes work?
I want frostmourne so bad!!, i have actually been waiting for some kind of gold farmer interview for a while, i have always been wondering why and how they do it :)
and this farmer sounds like a nice guy :)
It's not pointless. It shows an actual live gold farmer in Diablo, and how messed up the market will be unless Blizzard takes action. When even the gold farmers are complaining, there's a problem.
wait i dont get it the paper he held up is a 60 day account card?
I didn't say gold selling is. But things like mass exploitation, account hijacking, and distribution of illegal software is...
Text to speech really adds a dramatic flavor I love it ^^
2:20 to skip the yaddayaddayadda and start with the actual interview.
I think that's the OP's text notifications.
Not true at all, there are tons of valuable legendaries and set items (e.g. stormshield, andys, lacuni) that probably won't get changed (other than AS nerf); besides, prices will be very unstable during the first days of RMAH so you can snatch a very good profit by selling these.
D3 is based on D2's vernacular of being a safe environment. Seems like if there are still bots/scripts/programs running then it's D2 all over again. I really, really, really, do hope that Blizzard stabilizes this problem and give legitimate players a fair chance to play this game WITHOUT having to rely on 3rd party services for necessary equipment to get through this game. It's what broke the game in D2 in the first place.
how can someone run 100 accounts at the same time? how many computers do you need for that?
At the time you'd posted this, legal gold was worth $0.25 per 1m (1/40 of your rate), and as low as $0.10 per 1m from some black market sites (1/100 of your rate).
Why would you expect people to pay 100 times as much?
And now gold's down to $0.25 per 10m, which would be 1/400 of your going rate per 1m.
Markee do you think Guild wars 2 will have an good Gold selling economy like D3?
"I program scripts" he said with a posed look...
2 days to get to inferno? I leveled 4 characters to 60 in 8 hours.
Interesting would have been the question how they make the currency rate. How they know how much money is in circuit.
Marcus, why in the samwisegamgee do you have 3 monitors?
Valuable legendaries that can be beaten by rares or even blues depending on stats. Thats why blizzard is buffing them. Legendaries are suppose to be top of the top. Set pieces are second place mixed in with rares. Blues are suppose to be the welfare until a yellow and work your way up. They screwed the dog on D3 release, the games been broken since day 1. And even my farming methods that make me millions, items, etc. is still secret and never to be touched.
I have never looked into credit card or paypal fraud for commerces like Blizzard. When hackers use stolen assets to buy games, surely the credit compagnies or paypal doesn't always know that the assets are stolen and must sometimes complete the payments. On top of that, I am assuming that they must have insurance for fraud. If someone knows plz let me know.
how would they run 100 accounts what kind of computer are they using or how many computers
You can't honestly believe that, can you?
If Blizzard never touched the game from this point on, then yeah, but they are planning some pretty huge changes additions.
Most online games like this go through many changes in the first year and get better and better. I haven't seen an MMO or any online RPG come out as a perfect gem.
Diablo 3 is WAY too young to think that TONS of things won't change for the better.
1.3 is the pvp patch, coming in like 3-4 months, 1.0.3 is the patch coming soon, and it isn't the patch they buff legendaries in.
A weekend of farming, i.e. playing (not botting) Act 3/ 4 over and over just to make 1m, then I go to get the sword I need to get past act 2 inferno and it costs 5m! It must start to level out at some point, I will never pay for gold or any items on RMAH.
Meanwhile, Blizzard just disable windowed mode, I have looked into how bots work and they need to interact by clicking on the window. I like using windowed mode to browse AH, but I would give that up to stop botters..
Frostmourne, please! I heard it is impossible to get unless buying it for an insanely high price which is even twice as much of how much it actually costed when blizzard sold it :(
He introduces this abridged version and talks about it being abridged for 2 minutes. How about an abridged version without needing another abridged version. Thanks for the video, though, bro.
One of the most eye-opening things I've seen in some years. Really. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the interview. Very interesting
where can i get one of those swords?
what part of sword necessitates metal?
14:33 lol random Murloc noise :D
Hey, have you heard of "D3 Max Out Turbo" (just do a Google search for it...)? There you will find a smart free video showing how to speed run Diablo 3. It made it possible for Pete to speed level through Diablo 3 and therefore max out his character very quickly. Hopefully it will work for you too.
so pretty much you are forced to buy farmed gold through rmah, if you want items from an auction source. Farming gold will not yield sufficient gold to ever purchase an item. "unless you china farm"
we had a 5 mil bill where i live ... inflation ftw but they chopped off a few zeros at the end a few years ago
The legendaries were to be buffed in 1.0.3 until they said it would be later in possibly 1.3. 1.3 Isn't strictly pvp patch. Thats lul right there if you think so.
Subbed, nice video! :)
at 14:34 theres definatly a Murloc in the backround...
Thanks a lot, I was also hacked before and was wondering how it happened. Same pw/id may have been the reason! That has been fixed now.
Even if he/she sold there gold for .50 cents per 1million gold that would still be $30 bucks an hour which is equally the same as doing a above average job, but hes doing it 24 hours a day so he/she is making above $700 a day, thats a crazy amount and botters probably get rich off this
His I'm a chinese gold farmer remark was him being sarcastic. You couldn't tell because of the program he was using. =)
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Really interesting videos. I am really intrigued by how these hackers get your information. This isn't just relevant for those with gaming accounts but relevant if you have any online accounts, bank accounts, paypal, facebook etc etc
like he said, why would blizz get rid of botters, they make money too. it be easy to make a program to spot just by going playtime or paragon lvls. no one can play for 24 hours straight for a few days.
Wow, jesus... 60 million gold an hour, at 12 $ per million, that's 720 $ per hour, 17k $ per day, 480k $ per month. Hell even if the price went down to 1 $ per million he'd still make 40k $ per month. I didn't think you could make this much money with farming. :O
Sounded like Mumble, its just like ventrilo/raidcall/teamspeak but it has a text to voice translator on it
10,000 accounts x 2 realms x 300,000/hr x 24hr/day = 1440 0000 0000 gold = 144 billion gold per day.
I used to Bot before 1.4... it was quite easy:
1) build a barb with allot of GF and average radius
2)set it at a checkpoint ( favorite was Leoric's manor entrance) to the stairs which have 2 big pack of mobs between these 2 points
3) record the run with Mouse recorder
4) play it
5) made 7m/day
6) get ban because you are top 100 world Elite and mobs killed LOL
Blizzard did not increase the drop rate, they decreased the drop rate. Most of this video is incorrect. When Blizzard releases new patches they have ALWAYS decreased the drop rates. This helps increase the value of the item and also increase the cost for gold. And as far as the AH become flooding, well that was true, but in your video it wasn't taken into account that it would also be bought out almost instantly. Predictions are just predictions but through reasoning it should've been obvious.
Hackers have all means. He even said atleast one in the video of how it happens. And people's ignorance and bliss of they are safe little carebears in this time and age of society allows hackers to easily do their job, because people's sense of their small password being the best defense between hacked or not.
A replica of a video game sword is supposed to be dangerous?
They were some of the "top" former players in sc2 that could beat most amateurs easily but when it came to facing one another they all had a system and followed it, thus corrupting the game. Blizzcon have to do with anything? Thats where some of the top players come to win prize money of thousands of dollars or more to play each other. That shows how much you know. Your argument is now void and it ends here because now I know I'm fighting a intellectually unarmed man.
Hello, have you considered "D3 Max Out Turbo" (do a Google search for it)? There you will find a nice free video showing the way to speed run Diablo 3. This made it possible for Pete to speed level in Diablo 3 and max out his character very fast. I hope it will work for you as well...
I wholeheartedly agree with you in that bots and people like this are ruining games. But im gonna make sort of a contradiction in that you cant let people ruin the game for you, so what ever makes you able to enjoy the game is what you should do. I feel that once a game is released it should be owned and controlled by the public, that could turn out very badly if it were true but in a naive sort of view that is how id like things to work, but that will never happen. Enjoy what you can attain.
Im guessing I didnt get the code -_-
Legendaries are not going to be a viable investment until they get buffed in 1.3 or beyond.
Dat sword, I wielded it once at my friends house, Wish I had my own.
Murloc sound at 14:34