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@@dragonstorm0888 Lucina:our mom can make a pie. Niore:my mom also made a pie. My father's favorite one Sumia:(trips) ow. Tharja:.....hehe. Chrom and robin:(eating pies) (Somewhere at intelligent systems) Dev 1: how should we pair the main guys to the girls. Dev 2:PIES dev 3:give dev 2 a raise.
In Shadows of Valentia, Grima is on the map. In Awakening, Grima IS THE MAP. Quick growth is underselling it. Part of me can only wonder how long it'll take for him to become a flying CONTINENT rather than a flying castle...
considering the fact that you can fight Grima over and over again in SOV, Alm and Celica couldn't even kill him, technically speaking, so he must've been growing for all those thousand years in between SOV and the time of the first Exalt
@@dragonstorm0888 That brings up an interesting discussion topic: Since both the Arcanean and the Valentinan Falchion are both Naga's Fangs; why can Marth's eventually seal him but Alm's can't?
@@pokedude720 Didn't Marth's Falchion, as wielded by Chrom, require an extra blessing, or infusion of power, to seal Grima? That is, the Awakening, thus becoming the Exalted Falchion. I don't believe Alm's Falchion ever received such a blessing after being used to defeat Duma.
@@14bj337 Correct. The Arcanean Falchion was a part of the pact, and required the Awakening Ritual to be performed as a sort of "proof of blood and spirit" in order to grant the Exalt the power to seal Grima.
@@pokedude720 It also brings up the question of exactly where Alm' s falchion is during the events of Awakening. As in if it was still in Valentia, why didn' t the forces there try to find it? And even if it didn' t have Naga' s blessing it would have still been a powerful weapon.
Yeah, you can really sense the finality of Awakening with Grima. They made this supremely overwhelming enemy, with tons of background to affirm their world ending power. It’s honestly kinda wonderfully done, despite the gripes some may have with Awakening’s design.
Just seeing that giant dragon of doom floating on your maps is kinda chilling. I mean, just how freaking large is Grima at this point? And if you kill him with Chrom, he'll appear a thousand year later.. even larger and more powerful. As harsh as it is, sacrificing Robin would be the only sane option to stop Grima permanently (Or himself if Robin really IS Grima) before Grima becomes untouchable. Considering a twice goddess blessed Sword, specifically meant for destroying Dragons cannot kill Grima. And i doubt he'll grow weaker to it over time.
@@V-Jes It takes two Falchions, its weilders, and his overpowered vessel with an army to finally kill him. That is not a joke, that is hard-core and a badass conclusion to a great game.
@@johnathanedwards9054 except no it doesn't, as in reality all you need is 1 Falcion user and 1 broken vessel to kill it in 1 turn, the rest are just filler because they didn't die with permadeath on...
Elibe's lore actually is really, really interesting. The thought that humans and dragons were concentrating and slinging such powerful magic around during the Scouring that _the world itself_ was thrown so far out of whack and into choas so much that it permanently scarred and greatly diminished the world's magic is a really cool take for FE lore.
I love the Ending Winter caused by the Scouring because it's a possible parallelism/metaphor for the Nuclear Winter that would potentially be unleashed by WW3.
@@astracrits4633 , I mean one of the legendary weapons is literally called Apocalypse. And it was cool enough to put Nergal's Ereshkigal to shame (which was probably a prototype spell developed during the war). Also, FE Blazing Blade is the first FE game where inter-dimensional travel is mentioned, a la the Dragon's Gate. So the war was so terrible that the god-like Divine Dragons essentially invented inter-dimensional travel to get the Hell out of dodge.
I'm surprised the he didn't go over Lucina's original world as humanity was basically on the edge of extinction, all countries fell with Ylisse being the last to fall, Tiki dead and Naga Dying. Tbh, if Grima didn't follow Lucina, that world would've been 100% Doomed as Naga actually died to send the children back in time. We know humans are still alive on that timeline currently thanks to the Inigo, Severa and Owain's wish to put flowers and vegetation back into their original world with the power of the sane Anankos but still, it's not like Grima's blight went away. There's no doubt still poison and cursed areas all over the world. Plus, it's not clear if the Risen died when Grima went away or died as thanks to Shadow's of Valentina, we know that the Thanatobeetles were originally responsible for the first versions of the Risen and also predate Grima so it might've just turned into a Zombie Apocalypse instead of a Galactus-Level Doomsday Event There's Fire Emblem Fates ancient land of Valla which literally got shattered by Anankos. Also the Fire Emblem Fates: Heir's of Fate where Anankos won, enslaved the souls of everyone, destroyed the world and then shattered the boundaries between worlds to help and summon all the other Anankos on the multiverse is fucking terrifying.
Update: Just finished replaying Fire Emblem Awakening: Future Past DLC and yes, the Risen can and do operate without Grima as they're still around in the epilogue in the Best Timeline for that world so our children's original future timeline world 100% turned into a severe Zombie Apocalypse after Grima escaped to the Past-Present in the current timeline and with only a couple thousand humans probably left and most of the world being blightlands it's not looking too good for them. The upside is that they don't have to worry about Grima in their destroyed timeline as he no longer exists in it and after sometime some if not all of the Blightlands would've been restored thanks to Anankos but still, I haven't seen a more grim reality than that timeline
@@Ethan_Wheeler , that DLC in my opinion was better than the main game. Short, concise, and also left Grima still standing pretty strong even after inter-dimensional forces at the behest of a dead god came to offer some last minute aid. He only lost because s/he made the mistake of failing to account what would happen upon killing Tiki AND having the vestiges of Robin fighting a soul Civil War to give Lucina the chance to strike a final blow with Falchion.
I guess if you look at the lore, yes he is. But as awakening was so damn easy, and in consequently, grima final boss too, I never felt any intimidation by the character at all.
@@ChevalierSilver "oh no most of my units can't even do a single point of damage to grima wHaTeVeR wIlL i D-" _haha chrom and lucina pair up go "I DECIDE WHEN IT ENDS"_
@@ChevalierSilver , Grima was given decent treatment in SoV, but yeah the best apologists can say is that the whole time travel shenaningans left him confused AF. Therefore, he did a lot of stupid things, like leaving the world he genocided.
...You know, understanding just how bad the fallout of the Scouring was really makes Bramimond's decision to keep the legendary weapons sealed at almost all costs make a *lot* more sense.
He was probably thinking, "psh, Ereshkigal was just a prototype weapon that a dozen iterations later led to the creation of Apocalypse. You honestly think I should break the seals and risk letting this upstart get his hands ON THAT!?"
More grima love is approved. He honestly is the most fleshed out villain in the series from awakening to echoes to heroes seeing every side of grima in robin and even by the end feeling sad about Morgan being put to fight her friends as well. Power wise feel lords are cool and size is huge while still having humans to lead Also I had the theory he was a dark dragon from earth to using divine blood back in awakening as he was too powerful to be a simple dark dragon and his fell dragon status is an evolution. Code name steam is funny as robin gets grima as his background shot which just spoils awakening. Also it's robin. That's a bonus.
@@shi8387 he was very good even in awakening with how direct he was and how hard it was to beat him. Echoes just proves my theory as I had one saying he was basically above dark dragon and I was happy they kept to making more grima lore. Heroes he is basically a tsundere and it's cute. But yeah it's overall cool how they kept grima going as a character
@@on-line10 that's basically what heroes does to the cast. I mean awakening he is probably the smartest villain in the series with Actually winning in a timeline and heroes just seeing him and female grima act you can tell they made them more prideful in general.
I hate Heroes’ representation of Grima. They try to make him sympathetic, and give him reasons for doing the things he does, but in Awakening and Echoes he had no reason for being the way he is, he just was. Grima is a manmade god born from unholy experimentation: he was cruel, sadistic, smart, and narcissistic just because it was in his nature. He destroyed the world not because he hated how humans turned their backs on their gods, he did it because he was powerful, he viewed himself as the inevitable end to the world; men could struggle, and even succeed at delaying him, but he could not be stopped permanently and it was only a matter of time until he ended all life.
The lore surounding those doomsday scenarios in the franchise makes me want an FE inspired by those catatrophic scenarios. Like some sort of bronze age collapse or the fall of western roman empire.
@@dragonstorm0888 Considering that even Gangrel has to pay lip service to the Grimeal, I don't think manpower would have been an issue. Look at how many you fight leading up to the Grima boss fight and how they are literally infinite in said final battle
my personal headcanon of the schism is, that grima first went to the ocean, slowly converting crews of ships to risen, before attacking both valentia and archanea
Looking at how intelligent and tactical Grima can be that sounds like something he would do to outmanoeuvre and ambush the late Era of Heroes. Gods I kinda want a spinoff game where we see the rise of Grima and actually witness their terrifying presence and force since Grima isn't just ungodly strong but also patient and cunning which makes them something akin to a beta Eldritch Deity. Just imagine the first few cutscenes showing this undead army rising from the ocean, an armada of ships carrying them and laying waste to the world, all while there is this gigantic looming figure out at sea watching all of it unfold. Sure we still get a happy ending but it will be bittersweet since Grima had ravaged the world and brought the age of heroes to an end with all the kingdoms and countries completely levelled.
@@hibikikuze1876 , that would be a great game. And for a boss the size of Grima, IS could probably modify and advance the type of fight they had against Anonkos in FE: Revelations, where the party has to fight multiple parts of the body in order to finally unveil the core, with bits that fall off during the fight turning into powerful Risen.
@@GeorgeKinsill Kinda like how if you damage Grima bit by bit in Awakening his skull falls off and reveals a human face. So you'd have to break parts of him to get to his core and his body goes from draconic to a dragon human hybrid. Man, do I really want Awakening to be remastered just so IS can polish their passionate but rough ideas since Awakening was to be their last game which gave them motivation to go all out.
Wonder if you would ever touch the Tellius region, especially considering that the world was flooded except for Tellius, and yet Priam visits Ylisse in Awakening implying that Tellius still exist somewhere
@@Sonic0330 Archanea may exist on a totally different world from Tellius. Thus, any flood which submerged all the other continents in Tellius' world, would not affect Archanea. In this case, Priam (or his ancestors)could have reached Valentia only through Deeprealm shenanigans.
Looking at how big Grima is, flying from one country to the next probably doesn't take that long. I doubt the First Exalt could just "retreat" from a goliath that flies faster than a horse and could literally sit on an army or fortress to destroy it.
Grima crashing upon his death probably created bays and destroyed mountains. The sheer momentum of a U.S. state sized mass flying hundreds of miles per hour could easily transform continents.
@@tap5263 , they are in different worlds, so probably not. Unless Anna left the outrealm gate open after a heavy night of drinking with Yune, during which Grima crashed.
If I understand correctly, Marth’s descendants ruled all of the continent from the Empire’s capital Pales, altea was just a region of the new greater country and the first exalt simply returned to is home in Pales/Yilessetol
That's what I was thinking too. It's possible that some places could have given autonomy or something similar... by the time the first exalt came about. Regardless, Ylisse still owns roughly half of the entire new empire anyway.
@@dustgraystone9448 I believe it was split because marth’s big empire collapsed over the grima disaster and then the world demanded the splitting of the fire emblem so Yilesse wouldn’t have too much power and misuse it
Great video, Ghast. Didn't know that TMS Tiki is from a timeline where Marth and co. failed. That's really sad. Have to play that game some time, since it is the only Fire Emblem associated property I haven't got to yet.
Please play it. It's a great game in its own right. Yes, it's not "proper FE", but the gameplay is still good, the side quests are good for character building, the music is just fantastic, and while the overall story might be a bit "meh" to some, the game overall as a whole is still good and is definitely worth playing. Though just get the Encore version on Switch. Adds more content that the original version on WiiU didn't have. Also, it's on Switch, meaning you can grind levels easier due to being portable XD
I figure that the first Exalt choose to live there because Grima's corpse rendered that area something of a wasteland, though it might go a ways to explain the chip on Plegia's shoulder, in light of what else was mentioned (Like Chrom's father was fond of doing crusades against Plegia) The hypohetical connection between FE3/12's bad ending and #FE raises more questions such as how such takes on awakening characters came about with such a different timeline.
If you ever do a sequel you should touch on some of the stuff in Radiant Dawn. Iirc there was a giant flood that only left tellius and a few other locations.
Yall gotta play tokyo mirage sessions. It's story isnt exactly great but the sidequests are really good, the gameplay is pretty flashy and fun, and the music absolutely slaps. I know this isn't connected to the video but I just love the game lol.
....did you not watch the video? He literally mentioned TMS as being the game that continued the bad ending of New Mystery of the Emblem XD so of course a TMS comment is fitting. And yes, TMS is such a good game. It got way too much unnecessary hate. I wish more people had played it..
Thracia kinda gets completely screwed after the first unification attempt after the Belhalla BBQ and Travant seizing Leonster, now everyone is poor and starving and sad for a long time.
Ghast: "There is no being in Fire Emblem that even comes close to Grima's power." Ashunera(Yune & Ashera) & Anankos: What?! On a more serious note, this was a cool video; good work Ghast.
Ashunera, probably. But it would definitely be a cataclysmic battle. Anankos is a tricky question. He can predict the future, which does give him quite the edge. But even knowing what doom incarnate is going to do, could you even stop it?
@@Aurirang Ashunera would most assuredly give Grima a run for their money. In Anankos case, to be brief, they are capable of raising an invisible army of revenants, time travel, dimension travel, see possible futures, create realms(Valla), create black holes, create a dream matrix, create instant death curses that work across time and space, are capable of destroying worlds and timelines, and are functionally invulnerable unless they are struck with a weapon specifically designed to kill gods. Taking the aforementioned into consideration and the fact that canonically a small fragment of Anankos was capable of healing the world from Lucina's bad timeline after Grima's rampage and gave everyone who died as a result of Grima's carnage a gravestone with little to no difficulty, I don't think there's really any question that Anankos would be capable of defeating Grima.
@@EduardoGarcia-id5pt god they made Anankos so overpowered but wrote him so poorly that everyone who played the game just thinks of him as dumb rock face and/or ceiling dragon you fight in space. So much potential but absolutely zero execution.
@@GobaGNon To be fair that's normal for Fire Emblem, you face something in the games and just assume it's just a random evil thing but then expanded lore hits and just start to wonder where the heck was that in the actual game you fought that thing in, heck just look at Grima from Awakening for a very good example where it was just a random giant evil dragon of evilness who just apparently existed all along and then Echoes and Heroes happened and it got a massive lore dump on it, making it one of the most lore heavy villains in the series...
My best guess with the location of Grimas skull would be: The first Exalt fought Grima where future Plegia would be. But as he already levelled Archaneia the Exalt went back to a Land that hasn't been annihilated yet, founding Ylisse. Plegia isn't a very hospitable land, so founding a country there wouldn't be the smartest choice if you have perfectly good soil a bit further away. The Plegians probably founded Plegia around their dead gods skull in order to be as close as possible to him, taking in account the uninhabitality of the land.
FE8: after Fomortiis is defeated, monsters still roam the world, even previously populated places, despite rebuilding efforts. Wut. I know it's not a goddamn doomsday, but doesn't that mean Magvel *constantly* lives in fear? "What the f Sacred Stones?" - GhastStation
@@marcoasturias8520 Not necessarily (I mean, yes, but it can be quite easily explained). Only the undead are directly linked to Fomortiis after all. There already was a Spider colony somewhere in the mountains, and we know Gorgons can reproduce under the right circumstances. The Demon King can create them, but that does not mean they stop to exist when he is slayed. The undead horrors may all eventually disappears, since Fomortiis can't revive them, but the others are here to stay, albeit with a diminished population.
I know that this is "D-Day scenarios" but i have another potential keyword here being potential D-Day Scenario and this is from the most recent game in the Series The D-Day scenario i see is During Chapt 21 of Silver Snow My personal scenario follows the defeat of the players army now as we know during the penultimate chapter of silver snow Rhea essentially gives into madness and transforms into the Immaculate one along with creating the white beast that share her blood After the defeat and death of the players Army Rhea Driven mad with grief Rhea could continue to Massacre creating a desolate foeland sparing nothing but the red Canyon the birthplace of her mother Sothis
3 houses already has a ddayscenario, in the lore it is stated that the first war between the halumans and sothis ruined the work so much that it took sothis going into a coma to restore it.
The Future Past felt almost hopeless. They're the last light of Ylisse and Lucina herself is all that remains of the Ylissesn bloodline to seal him. They fought every day knowing they might die from the overwhelming amount of Risen. If not for Chrom and friends interfering with Grima, Lucina would never have won.
My understanding was that the First Exalt was driven out of Altea to Dolhr where the first Awakening occured, he made his final stand and put Grima to rest, but Grima's blood spilling over the continent of Dolhr kills all life there, turning it into a barren wasteland, and with Altea in ruins the first Exalt climbs the mountains back to Archanea and settles there instead
Here's my theory about what happened with Grima and the first exalt, just for fun: After discovering Camus new and happy life in Valentia, Nyna returned to Archaneia and found the labyrinth and Grima. It manipulated her and seemed like a good, benevolent dragon, leading to her forming the first Grimleal. Years later, Nyna found out about the truth of Grima, it was too late. She was only able to write it in a diary before passing away. Now that Grima had a following cult, it used it to manipulate a war between Archaneia and Valentia (both not in their best shape), so no one could stop it in its path of destruction. During their first confrontation, both the exalt and the king of Valentia faced off, but the clash of their Falchions ended in the destruction of both. In the afthermath, the exalt found the labyrinth and, inside of it, Nyna's diary. With this information he revealed the truth to Valentia and formed and alliance, and also a friendship with the king and his sister. They went out to find the jewels, form the Fire Emblem and make a pact with Naga. Meanwhile, Grima did the same with a loyal follower. Eventually, the exalt made the pact but nothing happened. But Grima was approaching, so he and his friends fought it. Sadly, the king died defending his friend and sister. This act unlocked the Awakening and created a new Falchion from the remanents of the other two. The exalt and the king's sister joined as a unit (the first pair-up ever) and together sealed Grima. While Grima was defeated, not everything was alright: his follower (Validar and Robin's ancestor) escaped, Archaneia was divided in three countries (eventuals Ylisse, Plegia and Ferox), and Valentia lost its king and was compleatly fragmented (the 1000 years lineage mentioned in Alm and Celica's ending). The exalt married the king's sister and both decided that it was best to not reunify both continents, since it was better for the habitants of those regions to decide for themselves. And as for Valentia, it was renamed Valm and the old king's advisor took charge of a now small kingdom.
Not gonna lie, I always had this idea for an FE game with Lucina as the main lord where they didn't go back in time. Given how dark and apocalyptic she describes it, I feel like it could have an interesting turn of events and could provide a fun challenge. You'd have the main crew (the new shepards), and maybe some new characters to join (who they may have met had they not went back to the past), etc.
That's the dlc story basically where we go to there time instead if then coming to our time. Filled with how the kids would take care of the world after grima was defeated and Everything. Basically a mini version of the story you are talking about. Fates did that too with a prequel story but sequel to awakening and the post world when the kids all come from Different universes. Full game wise. Lucina is in enough stuff already. Give Priam that game instead
@@ivanbluecool Definitely agree that she's in enough things already. Lol Thinking about it I'm pretty sure the Heirs of Fate DLC did inspire the idea in a way, but also at the fact of Naga implying there are many different worlds, even ones where both the Shepards and kids lost entirely. But aside from that, I agree, Priam having his own game would be great.
@@hoshidonoble0543 grima and Naga litteraly said that a few times. Even Anna said that about the outrealms being connected to many worlds and later walhart goes into them to conquer again. Yeah the dlc was said to expand on the kids world and you hear the normal ones talk about the what if they didn't move on and got capture instead it's quite sad. It's also Morgan's backstory if you read very carefully you will see in the hot spring scramble Morgan has two books robin gave her one in her timeline and another when robin went into the future and that's why Morgan has 2 in our timeline and how she came back in time being followed by risen
Opinion on this game is both too hard and too easy on the game imo. It's an interesting concept and the songs, designs, and game play is interesting. The dungeons are colorful but not too notible. So due to the nature of the internet, the opinion on this game can seem very two sided even though the praise and criticisms are saying the same thing, it's a very okay game. The lack of introspection to idol culture and a boring cliches makes it fall short of the philosophical takes most SMT fans like with their main games. And the strictly male viewer based fanservice isolated many FE fans who likes fan service appealed to both male and female viewers. Persona fans will like this game but the lack of ability to choose your waifu and lack of deeper character interaction other than the flacid nice guy act (Itsuki friend zoned everyone obliviously even though every main female party member proclaimed their undying love at the end of every support chain).
@@cyncynshop I feel as if it was an interessting concept, but it sadly won't see a sequel because a certain groop of people refused to buy the game because it did the same thing as other games in the FE-series that sold well.
Yea, my biggest question, is given all the Archanaean continent stuff happens, like the schism, and the events leading to it, how the heck does Tellius factor in, assuming Priam's inclusion is canon and happens after the events of Awakening's main story.
I will stay with the theory that Tellius does not factor in because the continent if just out of reach. Laguz are mentioned a few times in Awakening, but them appearing seems to be the exception instead of the rule. And Priam is many generations after the Greil mercenaries, so him being there can easily just being argued to be a migration-thing that took multiple hundreds of years of travel.
"There is no being in Fire Emblem that even comes close to Grima's power." Ashunera would like a word. Loved the video, though! Some great lore here. And the Ending Winter hypothesis is a quite innovative one.
Super great video! I’ve always loved the connections between Marth’s games, FE Echoes, and FE Awakening, such a cool plan, even if things like The Schism weren’t entirely fleshed out lol
Really great video as always. I never had a clue about the TMS links to the bad end since I've never played the original Archanea games, and your theories about The Schism and Ylisse were really interesting to hear
I really want a game about the Lost Future from Awakening. Most of the cast is already filled out: Lucina is the main lord, the other child units make up most of the army, Grima!Robin as the main villain, the Evil!Morgans as minor villains. The player would have to balance fending off Risen attacks, protecting what's left of the kingdom, and working towards finding the Gemstones to travel back in time. With the big finale being Lucina and Co making a mad dash to get to the past while Grima does everything to stop them. I think it would be a really good game.
Hope you do a sequel to this. It was very informative and entertaining. The TMS part was hilarious. Also this just goes to show how much lore is actually right in front of us but you can barely see/learn any of it if you don’t look super hard. Waiting for the day they make an FE lore book or something lol.
Here's another one that's admittedly smaller in scale, but still just as devastating: the Javelins of Light from Three Houses. They turned Ailell from a forest to a volcanic wasteland that people henceforth referred to as the Valley of Torment, and can even reduce famous fortified cities like the Silver Maiden and Stubborn Old General to ruin.
Genealogy is kinda a series of bad endings where many of the characters die and bad end leading to Tokyo mirage makes sense. Guess tharja somehow found her way around. Yeah I loved seeing how these endings go and honestly a lot of the fe games kinda have bad ends aside party members dying. Awakening grima won and that's huge and with all the timelines one of them is grima winning as awakening has many timelines. He was even stronger than the valentia final boss showing it was much harder to beat grima in general than most in story logic. Marths first game bad end is if his wife dies so it's always gonna be A bad wnd
you have to realise how strong Grima is when you realize that Alm and Celica never actually killed Grima or sent it to sleep, even with Alm's Falchion, because there isn't a limit to the amount of times you can battle Grima in game. that also kinda means Grima had been growing and stewing in his hatred in Thabes ever since then right up until the time of the first exalt
@@dragonstorm0888 and that's with people who already saw what Marth and alm fought in dragons and that would make grima stronger than them even. I mean just on logic alone where it takes 3 main characters with powers like chrom Lucina and robin not counting the dragons and bonus members like walhart to stand a chance at grima and only being beat by luck of robin being super smart tricking fate itself and then destroying grima. And then grima is still happy as mutiple grima are in Feh and warriors
@@dragonstorm0888 My take on that is that only the first fight in echoes is canon and that knocked Grima out for a few hundred years until the time of the first exalt where it rapidly grew into full size due to the grimleal forming and sacrificing people to it consistently.
@@lpfan4491 SOV takes place concurrently with Marths adventures. in between them more specifically. Marth was about 1000 years before the time of the first exalt
8:10 The answer I came up with is that to possibly remove Archanea as a threat, Grima leveled that area first. Then after Altea was leveled, the First Exalt retreated to the Archanea territory which was already leveled, and founded Ylisse as a kind of beacon to draw people who would stand and fight before invading Dolhr/Plegia.
I'm glad other people also support the fan theory that TMS follows FE3's bad ending. I think a cool video or series of videos to do in future would be to try and piece together a unified Fire Emblem timeline. Elibe, Magvel, Tellius, and Fodlan would probably be the most difficult to parse together into it but it could be a fun thought experiment.
finally, the translated script footage matches with the video script :D really tho, the whole thing with the ending winter and the planet shifting was really cool
Even though not every game seems to take place in the same world, the dragon lore is weirdly consistent...? I might be remembering wrong, but I swear I remember Medeus and Loptos' backstories coming from the same event? Or at least the same sort of event?
I had a feeling TMS was based off a branched timeline of new mystery but was thrown off by the awakening characters also being there. Glad to see a more in depth look on it
5:13 If TMS follows a timeline where Archanea was destroyed and Tiki was sent to the Idolasphere, how come is it possible to have a Mirage of Chrom and Awakening characters?
Echoes had phantoms of people who either shouldn't exist yet or are alive in another area from Marth to Roy. Same idea as that basically calling a spirit to aid in battle I mean ghosts are a thing in awakening genealogy echoes etc. Or just say multiverse to explain it as fates has reincarnation of characters from awakening either or and grima made like 5 timelines as the one where chrom loses. Kids come back. We go forward and post epilogue stuff plus dlc.
@@eonia7667 marth didn't die immediately same as some of the lords in bad endings as they probably had kids before dying like sigurd and chrom which would explain how the fight kept going or the blood could have survived. I mean awakening can potentially have mutiple bloodlines be made from chrom Lissa and emmeeryn potentially as we see owain in later games and he then has Ophelia who also has the mark of the exalt too despite being from Lissa who isn't the main blood for falchion. So by that logic we could see the battle keep going as like in eliwoods and Roy's games the dragons didn't defeat humanity immediately as we can make more kids than them and dragons have less kids and lower birth rates so while they were more powerful in general it was a bigger lose to lose a dragon than a human so the war was in humanity favor.
This was genuinely fascinating to listen to! I'd never noticed almost any of this before, but that connection from New Mystery to TMS is INSANE to me! Thank you for all of the time researching and theorizing - it thoroughly entertained me, and got my own worldbuilding gears going
Wait, I thought Archanaea had been united after Mystery of the Emblem, and Marth and his descendants ruled from Pales? Is that wrong? Also, you missed what might have happened in Valm, since I'm fairly certain that Alm and Celica's ending states that their dynasty ruled for 1000 years... Also, the Schism happened 1000 years post-FE3, and Awakening was 1000 years after that.
this video got me thinking of how little we know about the bad timeline of Awakening that Lucina and the other kids are from. It would be interesting to see a video detailing exactly how it went down, or as good as an idea of it as we can get, given what we do know. I mean really. All we know is that the events in the games timeline are sped up compred to the future, and "more than ten years in the future, Grima is revived, the shepherds tried to stop this, but failed and many died, leaving the world with none to defend it except for the kids, who did surprisingly well considering they are literal kids for the most part by the time they join the game timelines shepherds." I just think it would be interesting to try and construct a clearer timeline of events leading up to the fall of Chrom and resurrection of Grima.
Game explains it quite well itself. Chrom had Lucina in those 2 years of peace(see drama CD for more information) and left to defeat walhart so everything aside the future kids plays exactly the same aside chrom being weaker as the assasin injured him and then grima took over robin ending chrom there and then. Basillio also died to walhart too in the original timeline so he can't help in the shadows. Parent wise they had enough time to have kids in those two years and go off to ear and or return defeated or die trying. Nowi left nah with friends and Gerome was lucky to get Minerva back as cherche died in battle. Lissa is also the exalt as Lucina says how kind she is and wise in the future so a lot of the kids Actually got to see thier parents before they died. Niore saw tharja do experiments and give her the talisman to protect her and so on. Basically genealogy rules where the women survive and a few men while the rest die is how the kids saw thier parents as they had enough years to know them or train with them aside Lucina as chrom died when she was a baby and Morgan was taken by robin to be his vanguard unit which is why she has two books that are the same as future past robin gave her one and our Morgan is that broken hearted Morgan who lost her memory coming back in time only remembering the good days as she was forced to kill her friends and family following her father as grima. Anything else just ask. I know everything about awakening
Regarding the location of Grima's skull, I always assumed that Grima's massive body requires a ridiculous amount of magical energy to sustain which is why he wants to devour everything. I think he went to the Dragon's Table in order to eat the sealed Earth Dragons and that is where the First Exalt fought him. After defeating him the Exalt returned to Archanea due to the western half of the continent being reduced to a barren wasteland.
Honestly, I think that would explain the lack of mad dragons running around or their corpses lying around the land. Grima likely killed and consumed all the degenerated dragons still sealed in the Dragon Table. Hence how he gained such a large form and power to rival Naga. We know the Fire Emblem was broken up, and the gemstones were divided up between the countries that formed after the Schism and the fight with Grima happened 1000 years before Awakening, meaning the seal on the Dragon Table should have broken, releasing the degenerated dragons upon the world yet it didn't happen.
That makes a lot of sense. If Grima made a general rule of eating any dragons he came across, that would also explain why there are so few left in general by the time of Awakening.
Huh, my take on the geological differences between FE1 and FE3 was differences in cartography. In the age these games refer to, map making wasn't always perfect, and the differences in maps may be reflective of differing opinions among early cartographers.
Just to give some scale to The Ending Winter, if anyone is interested (some spoilers for FE3H lore)… at 13:33 the map shows an area named Nabata, which is a similar shape to Fodlan. That land mass is also near Caledonia, which is referenced in FE3H. Assuming that Nabata is an ancient version of Fodlan, the continent shown on the map is many times the size of Fodlan. The magic wielded by and against dragons that can fit inside a moderately sized castle caused a magical imbalance that affected a world many times larger than just that continent. Further, the ancient civilization in Fodlan were called the Nabateans, lending credence to the idea that Nabata is in fact Fodlan.
It's crazy to think alot of the games if not all between shadow/new mystery to awakening is just an era where grima isn't around, makes me wonder if we'll get another game with Grima as an antagonist if we get a game where it's based on chrom sealing grima and not Robin killing him
my personal theory for why the first exalt and their descendants moved to the east is that grima’s remains littered all over the western part of the continent made the land less fertile/harder to grow crops on or something, since grima’s vibes have kinda always been rancid. but that’s just speculation
Grima is 1/3 Divine Dragon, 1/3 Earth Dragon, and 1/3 human so it would make sense that his aura would make crops harder to grow. The Plegian also worship him as the "God of Destruction" so this makes sense to me.
After the good ending of FE 3 book 2 and FE 12 Marth becomes the King of a Unified Archanea, and rules from the Archanean palace, which would help explain why Ylisse is in Archnaea as the first exalt was already there
So this has nothing to do with the video but me realizing Chrom is voiced by Tomokazu Sugita (va of Gintoki, Kyon, Escanor and many others) in TMS is probably the biggest discovery I've made here.
You know what else is funny? There’s an interesting theory out there that Elibe is part of the same planet as Archanea/Ylisse, Valentina/Valm, and Jugdral. No need for an “Outrealm” gate. ^ The evidence is surprisingly solid, and if true, means that the Ending Winter _might’ve_ had some part in affecting the change in Archanea’s geography before it was renamed Ylisse. Well… that, or it’s just a [meager] explanation for why certain characters from Elibe’s Sacae region seem to heavily reference characters from _Isaach_ (northeastern Jugdral) in their design. :P
It looks like Lucina forgot to do the dishes or finish her homework. Her mother is looking at her with eyes so full of ire... Allo six of them that its making her shake. I wonder how powerful are the 8 weapons for real as Athos and Braimond don't think twice about brandishing again in Fire emblem 7. Of course we are informed that they have been really weakened during their lock and they only pulled out 3 (4 since the sword of the king of bern should be with Ephidel's father) so they still have some sort of reluctance to use them all?
Maybe the effects take time to manifest? Like you have to Shoot Forblaze thirty or more times for the Magical radiation effects to start affecting the place you’re in, also something in the weapons might have had an unexpected reaction with some parts of the dragon's bodies.
Bramimond says in FE7 that unleashing them would likely destroy the world, so they likely have no idea that they are harmless. Athos also states that the only reason why they only take a few is that getting them all would take too much time. My best guess is that it is a situration of "Well, the world is gone either way. Might as well take the risk."
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Bro my dad would beat Grima's ass hes so cool - Lucina, thinking of a solution to her problem
Morgan:well my dad can kill him while your dad can only put him to sleep. My dad is better.
@@ivanbluecool Cynthia: Oh yeah? well, my mom can- *trips*
Severa: pfft. yeah. she can do that
@@dragonstorm0888 Lucina:our mom can make a pie.
Niore:my mom also made a pie. My father's favorite one
Sumia:(trips) ow.
Tharja:.....hehe.
Chrom and robin:(eating pies)
(Somewhere at intelligent systems)
Dev 1: how should we pair the main guys to the girls.
Dev 2:PIES
dev 3:give dev 2 a raise.
@@ivanbluecool Boss: gives pies as raise
@@faedwill6853 plot twist. The boss is female so now dev 2 and boss get married and live happily ever after
It's crazy to think that a world ending Dragon like Grima took the time to dress up as a werewolf on Halloween
_Your candy will be mine!_
@@HolyCrepe *P R E P A R E T O B E E A T E N*
I wish you hadn't said that because now I want to listen to "Bark at the Moon" by Ozzy Osbourne
Sometimes ending the world gets boring
It's called flanderization
In Shadows of Valentia, Grima is on the map. In Awakening, Grima IS THE MAP. Quick growth is underselling it. Part of me can only wonder how long it'll take for him to become a flying CONTINENT rather than a flying castle...
considering the fact that you can fight Grima over and over again in SOV, Alm and Celica couldn't even kill him, technically speaking, so he must've been growing for all those thousand years in between SOV and the time of the first Exalt
@@dragonstorm0888 That brings up an interesting discussion topic: Since both the Arcanean and the Valentinan Falchion are both Naga's Fangs; why can Marth's eventually seal him but Alm's can't?
@@pokedude720 Didn't Marth's Falchion, as wielded by Chrom, require an extra blessing, or infusion of power, to seal Grima? That is, the Awakening, thus becoming the Exalted Falchion. I don't believe Alm's Falchion ever received such a blessing after being used to defeat Duma.
@@14bj337 Correct. The Arcanean Falchion was a part of the pact, and required the Awakening Ritual to be performed as a sort of "proof of blood and spirit" in order to grant the Exalt the power to seal Grima.
@@pokedude720 It also brings up the question of exactly where Alm' s falchion is during the events of Awakening. As in if it was still in Valentia, why didn' t the forces there try to find it? And even if it didn' t have Naga' s blessing it would have still been a powerful weapon.
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Yeah, you can really sense the finality of Awakening with Grima. They made this supremely overwhelming enemy, with tons of background to affirm their world ending power. It’s honestly kinda wonderfully done, despite the gripes some may have with Awakening’s design.
Just seeing that giant dragon of doom floating on your maps is kinda chilling. I mean, just how freaking large is Grima at this point? And if you kill him with Chrom, he'll appear a thousand year later.. even larger and more powerful. As harsh as it is, sacrificing Robin would be the only sane option to stop Grima permanently (Or himself if Robin really IS Grima) before Grima becomes untouchable. Considering a twice goddess blessed Sword, specifically meant for destroying Dragons cannot kill Grima. And i doubt he'll grow weaker to it over time.
Aand then you actually fight him and his a complete joke in Awakening to a point that it ruins all that "overwhelming" feel it ever had...
@@V-Jes It takes two Falchions, its weilders, and his overpowered vessel with an army to finally kill him. That is not a joke, that is hard-core and a badass conclusion to a great game.
@@johnathanedwards9054 except no it doesn't, as in reality all you need is 1 Falcion user and 1 broken vessel to kill it in 1 turn, the rest are just filler because they didn't die with permadeath on...
@@V-Jes Tried that, even with effective damage I still needed to throw everything at Grima, took the better part of 5min
Elibe's lore actually is really, really interesting. The thought that humans and dragons were concentrating and slinging such powerful magic around during the Scouring that _the world itself_ was thrown so far out of whack and into choas so much that it permanently scarred and greatly diminished the world's magic is a really cool take for FE lore.
Yeah, I think the only other event in FE lord that was *that* apocalyptic was the Great Flood, and that took literal divine intervention to occur.
I love the Ending Winter caused by the Scouring because it's a possible parallelism/metaphor for the Nuclear Winter that would potentially be unleashed by WW3.
@@skateboardmd9163
And who knows whichever country would be viewed as "The Dragons" of the WW3 at this point in time?
@@astracrits4633 , I mean one of the legendary weapons is literally called Apocalypse. And it was cool enough to put Nergal's Ereshkigal to shame (which was probably a prototype spell developed during the war). Also, FE Blazing Blade is the first FE game where inter-dimensional travel is mentioned, a la the Dragon's Gate. So the war was so terrible that the god-like Divine Dragons essentially invented inter-dimensional travel to get the Hell out of dodge.
I'm surprised the he didn't go over Lucina's original world as humanity was basically on the edge of extinction, all countries fell with Ylisse being the last to fall, Tiki dead and Naga Dying. Tbh, if Grima didn't follow Lucina, that world would've been 100% Doomed as Naga actually died to send the children back in time. We know humans are still alive on that timeline currently thanks to the Inigo, Severa and Owain's wish to put flowers and vegetation back into their original world with the power of the sane Anankos but still, it's not like Grima's blight went away. There's no doubt still poison and cursed areas all over the world. Plus, it's not clear if the Risen died when Grima went away or died as thanks to Shadow's of Valentina, we know that the Thanatobeetles were originally responsible for the first versions of the Risen and also predate Grima so it might've just turned into a Zombie Apocalypse instead of a Galactus-Level Doomsday Event
There's Fire Emblem Fates ancient land of Valla which literally got shattered by Anankos.
Also the Fire Emblem Fates: Heir's of Fate where Anankos won, enslaved the souls of everyone, destroyed the world and then shattered the boundaries between worlds to help and summon all the other Anankos on the multiverse is fucking terrifying.
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Update: Just finished replaying Fire Emblem Awakening: Future Past DLC and yes, the Risen can and do operate without Grima as they're still around in the epilogue in the Best Timeline for that world so our children's original future timeline world 100% turned into a severe Zombie Apocalypse after Grima escaped to the Past-Present in the current timeline and with only a couple thousand humans probably left and most of the world being blightlands it's not looking too good for them. The upside is that they don't have to worry about Grima in their destroyed timeline as he no longer exists in it and after sometime some if not all of the Blightlands would've been restored thanks to Anankos but still, I haven't seen a more grim reality than that timeline
@@Ethan_Wheeler , that DLC in my opinion was better than the main game. Short, concise, and also left Grima still standing pretty strong even after inter-dimensional forces at the behest of a dead god came to offer some last minute aid. He only lost because s/he made the mistake of failing to account what would happen upon killing Tiki AND having the vestiges of Robin fighting a soul Civil War to give Lucina the chance to strike a final blow with Falchion.
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Ah yes another reminder of why Grima is nightmare fuel
I guess if you look at the lore, yes he is.
But as awakening was so damn easy, and in consequently, grima final boss too, I never felt any intimidation by the character at all.
@@ChevalierSilver "oh no most of my units can't even do a single point of damage to grima wHaTeVeR wIlL i D-"
_haha chrom and lucina pair up go "I DECIDE WHEN IT ENDS"_
@@ChevalierSilver , Grima was given decent treatment in SoV, but yeah the best apologists can say is that the whole time travel shenaningans left him confused AF. Therefore, he did a lot of stupid things, like leaving the world he genocided.
@@GeorgeKinsill If he did not follow Lucina she would have killed Valdar ruining the plan
...You know, understanding just how bad the fallout of the Scouring was really makes Bramimond's decision to keep the legendary weapons sealed at almost all costs make a *lot* more sense.
He was probably thinking, "psh, Ereshkigal was just a prototype weapon that a dozen iterations later led to the creation of Apocalypse. You honestly think I should break the seals and risk letting this upstart get his hands ON THAT!?"
I was not expecting TMS to show up in a Faerghast video let alone this one, the cut to TMS footage knocked me out of my chair
I had no idea that Elibe's history was so incredible. The Ending Winter, a war so powerful that the world itself relented, is such a cool idea to me.
I know right!?
This is basically the Norse end of days, Ragnarock
There is a reason why FE 6 and 7 are still my favorite FE games in the series. Well, that and nostalgia.
Grima in Awakening: *Unkillable, Strong enough to move continents*
Grima in FEH: *BREATHES*
'tink'
Ah yes, good old powercreep.
Cosplayer mom who likes candy.
@@BlackfangDragon Which is ironic considering some are stronger in FEH.
@@lpfan4491 wait so he can't use full power ?
More grima love is approved. He honestly is the most fleshed out villain in the series from awakening to echoes to heroes seeing every side of grima in robin and even by the end feeling sad about Morgan being put to fight her friends as well. Power wise feel lords are cool and size is huge while still having humans to lead
Also I had the theory he was a dark dragon from earth to using divine blood back in awakening as he was too powerful to be a simple dark dragon and his fell dragon status is an evolution.
Code name steam is funny as robin gets grima as his background shot which just spoils awakening.
Also it's robin. That's a bonus.
I didn't like grima alot when I first played awakening, but after herows and valentia, he is my favorite fire emblem character
@@shi8387 he was very good even in awakening with how direct he was and how hard it was to beat him. Echoes just proves my theory as I had one saying he was basically above dark dragon and I was happy they kept to making more grima lore. Heroes he is basically a tsundere and it's cute.
But yeah it's overall cool how they kept grima going as a character
@@ivanbluecool Grima and tsundere dont rly fit together -_-
@@on-line10 that's basically what heroes does to the cast. I mean awakening he is probably the smartest villain in the series with Actually winning in a timeline and heroes just seeing him and female grima act you can tell they made them more prideful in general.
I hate Heroes’ representation of Grima. They try to make him sympathetic, and give him reasons for doing the things he does, but in Awakening and Echoes he had no reason for being the way he is, he just was. Grima is a manmade god born from unholy experimentation: he was cruel, sadistic, smart, and narcissistic just because it was in his nature. He destroyed the world not because he hated how humans turned their backs on their gods, he did it because he was powerful, he viewed himself as the inevitable end to the world; men could struggle, and even succeed at delaying him, but he could not be stopped permanently and it was only a matter of time until he ended all life.
The lore surounding those doomsday scenarios in the franchise makes me want an FE inspired by those catatrophic scenarios. Like some sort of bronze age collapse or the fall of western roman empire.
"Thracia sucks for anyone, but especially kids." Lmao.
On the topic of Grima's skull, I wouldn't be surprised if the Grimleal moved it there, given how devout they are
that would take a hell of a lot of man power
@@dragonstorm0888 Considering that even Gangrel has to pay lip service to the Grimeal, I don't think manpower would have been an issue. Look at how many you fight leading up to the Grima boss fight and how they are literally infinite in said final battle
@@johnathanedwards9054 fair enough, though i imagine it would still be a massive struggle. very difficult without straight up breaking it down
@@dragonstorm0888 Yeah true, that skull must weigh several tons given its size
@@johnathanedwards9054 theres always the possibility that its a simple statue or efigy like Lucina suggests, though we cant say for certain
I am surprised by TMS one. It makes way too much sense. A sidegane based on a bad end is a interesting concept
Oh yeah, Yoko Taro had fun with such a thought...
Not to mention how the post-apocalyptic thing could be seen as a nod to the SMT component of this game’s background.
Like dragon quest builders
Literally NieR
my personal headcanon of the schism is, that grima first went to the ocean, slowly converting crews of ships to risen, before attacking both valentia and archanea
Looking at how intelligent and tactical Grima can be that sounds like something he would do to outmanoeuvre and ambush the late Era of Heroes. Gods I kinda want a spinoff game where we see the rise of Grima and actually witness their terrifying presence and force since Grima isn't just ungodly strong but also patient and cunning which makes them something akin to a beta Eldritch Deity.
Just imagine the first few cutscenes showing this undead army rising from the ocean, an armada of ships carrying them and laying waste to the world, all while there is this gigantic looming figure out at sea watching all of it unfold. Sure we still get a happy ending but it will be bittersweet since Grima had ravaged the world and brought the age of heroes to an end with all the kingdoms and countries completely levelled.
@@hibikikuze1876 , that would be a great game. And for a boss the size of Grima, IS could probably modify and advance the type of fight they had against Anonkos in FE: Revelations, where the party has to fight multiple parts of the body in order to finally unveil the core, with bits that fall off during the fight turning into powerful Risen.
@@GeorgeKinsill Kinda like how if you damage Grima bit by bit in Awakening his skull falls off and reveals a human face. So you'd have to break parts of him to get to his core and his body goes from draconic to a dragon human hybrid.
Man, do I really want Awakening to be remastered just so IS can polish their passionate but rough ideas since Awakening was to be their last game which gave them motivation to go all out.
Wonder if you would ever touch the Tellius region, especially considering that the world was flooded except for Tellius, and yet Priam visits Ylisse in Awakening implying that Tellius still exist somewhere
The flood happened ages ago, the continents may simply have resurfaced. Hell, in the biblical flood they resurfaced after 40 days lol.
@@noukan42 I mean true but wouldnt that mean that Archanea was flooded and wiped out?
@@Sonic0330 archanea was wiped out by Grima anyway. Who the hell knows the exact timeline?
@@Sonic0330 Archanea may exist on a totally different world from Tellius. Thus, any flood which submerged all the other continents in Tellius' world, would not affect Archanea. In this case, Priam (or his ancestors)could have reached Valentia only through Deeprealm shenanigans.
Ike leaves Tellius in RD's epilogue. So my headcanon is he went to Archanea which led to Priam being there
I still love Grima, he/she has a sick design
I even named my competitive Naganadel after him/her uwu
Looking at how big Grima is, flying from one country to the next probably doesn't take that long. I doubt the First Exalt could just "retreat" from a goliath that flies faster than a horse and could literally sit on an army or fortress to destroy it.
Grima crashing upon his death probably created bays and destroyed mountains. The sheer momentum of a U.S. state sized mass flying hundreds of miles per hour could easily transform continents.
@@GeorgeKinsill wait I know nothing about the tellius games but could that be the cause of the great flood?
@@tap5263 , they are in different worlds, so probably not. Unless Anna left the outrealm gate open after a heavy night of drinking with Yune, during which Grima crashed.
Another couple apocalyptic scenarios you didn't mention are the Great Flood in Tellius and the war between the Agarthans and the Nabateans in Fódlan.
Yeah. I forgot about the war between the Nabateans and the Argarthans.
@@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon reminder that they nuked the word so bad that sothis had go into a COMA in order to fix it
No matter what happens, Marth's legacy is always destroyed. Be it Medeus again or Grima.
If I understand correctly, Marth’s descendants ruled all of the continent from the Empire’s capital Pales, altea was just a region of the new greater country and the first exalt simply returned to is home in Pales/Yilessetol
That's what I was thinking too. It's possible that some places could have given autonomy or something similar... by the time the first exalt came about.
Regardless, Ylisse still owns roughly half of the entire new empire anyway.
@@dustgraystone9448 I believe it was split because marth’s big empire collapsed over the grima disaster and then the world demanded the splitting of the fire emblem so Yilesse wouldn’t have too much power and misuse it
@@Squill145 you're probably right.
As someone who's really into lore stuff and hasn't finished neither New Mystery nor the first 2 gba games, this was a very interesting video.
Same. I love lore.
Great video, Ghast. Didn't know that TMS Tiki is from a timeline where Marth and co. failed. That's really sad. Have to play that game some time, since it is the only Fire Emblem associated property I haven't got to yet.
Please play it. It's a great game in its own right. Yes, it's not "proper FE", but the gameplay is still good, the side quests are good for character building, the music is just fantastic, and while the overall story might be a bit "meh" to some, the game overall as a whole is still good and is definitely worth playing.
Though just get the Encore version on Switch. Adds more content that the original version on WiiU didn't have. Also, it's on Switch, meaning you can grind levels easier due to being portable XD
I figure that the first Exalt choose to live there because Grima's corpse rendered that area something of a wasteland, though it might go a ways to explain the chip on Plegia's shoulder, in light of what else was mentioned (Like Chrom's father was fond of doing crusades against Plegia)
The hypohetical connection between FE3/12's bad ending and #FE raises more questions such as how such takes on awakening characters came about with such a different timeline.
If you ever do a sequel you should touch on some of the stuff in Radiant Dawn. Iirc there was a giant flood that only left tellius and a few other locations.
Yall gotta play tokyo mirage sessions. It's story isnt exactly great but the sidequests are really good, the gameplay is pretty flashy and fun, and the music absolutely slaps.
I know this isn't connected to the video but I just love the game lol.
....did you not watch the video? He literally mentioned TMS as being the game that continued the bad ending of New Mystery of the Emblem XD so of course a TMS comment is fitting.
And yes, TMS is such a good game. It got way too much unnecessary hate. I wish more people had played it..
Thracia kinda gets completely screwed after the first unification attempt after the Belhalla BBQ and Travant seizing Leonster, now everyone is poor and starving and sad for a long time.
Southern Thracia was actually like this for a long time
Ghast: "There is no being in Fire Emblem that even comes close to Grima's power."
Ashunera(Yune & Ashera) & Anankos: What?!
On a more serious note, this was a cool video; good work Ghast.
Ashunera, probably. But it would definitely be a cataclysmic battle.
Anankos is a tricky question. He can predict the future, which does give him quite the edge. But even knowing what doom incarnate is going to do, could you even stop it?
@@Aurirang Ashunera would most assuredly give Grima a run for their money.
In Anankos case, to be brief, they are capable of raising an invisible army of revenants, time travel, dimension travel, see possible futures, create realms(Valla), create black holes, create a dream matrix, create instant death curses that work across time and space, are capable of destroying worlds and timelines, and are functionally invulnerable unless they are struck with a weapon specifically designed to kill gods. Taking the aforementioned into consideration and the fact that canonically a small fragment of Anankos was capable of healing the world from Lucina's bad timeline after Grima's rampage and gave everyone who died as a result of Grima's carnage a gravestone with little to no difficulty, I don't think there's really any question that Anankos would be capable of defeating Grima.
@@EduardoGarcia-id5pt god they made Anankos so overpowered but wrote him so poorly that everyone who played the game just thinks of him as dumb rock face and/or ceiling dragon you fight in space. So much potential but absolutely zero execution.
@@GobaGNon To be fair that's normal for Fire Emblem, you face something in the games and just assume it's just a random evil thing but then expanded lore hits and just start to wonder where the heck was that in the actual game you fought that thing in, heck just look at Grima from Awakening for a very good example where it was just a random giant evil dragon of evilness who just apparently existed all along and then Echoes and Heroes happened and it got a massive lore dump on it, making it one of the most lore heavy villains in the series...
@@V-Jes truth.
My best guess with the location of Grimas skull would be:
The first Exalt fought Grima where future Plegia would be. But as he already levelled Archaneia the Exalt went back to a Land that hasn't been annihilated yet, founding Ylisse.
Plegia isn't a very hospitable land, so founding a country there wouldn't be the smartest choice if you have perfectly good soil a bit further away.
The Plegians probably founded Plegia around their dead gods skull in order to be as close as possible to him, taking in account the uninhabitality of the land.
FE8: after Fomortiis is defeated, monsters still roam the world, even previously populated places, despite rebuilding efforts.
Wut.
I know it's not a goddamn doomsday, but doesn't that mean Magvel *constantly* lives in fear?
"What the f Sacred Stones?" - GhastStation
Magvel's just FE Australia - Natural disasters and giant monsters
It feels more like an oversight
@@matthewwong6918 Probably why no other FE continent is connected to it. They don't want to be there.
And there's still a massive Earthquake at the horizon.
The continent is doomed eventually.
@@marcoasturias8520 Not necessarily (I mean, yes, but it can be quite easily explained).
Only the undead are directly linked to Fomortiis after all.
There already was a Spider colony somewhere in the mountains, and we know Gorgons can reproduce under the right circumstances.
The Demon King can create them, but that does not mean they stop to exist when he is slayed.
The undead horrors may all eventually disappears, since Fomortiis can't revive them, but the others are here to stay, albeit with a diminished population.
I feel like you forgot, that the schism was an event that not only ended Archanea, but also Valentia
I wonder what happened to jugdral
@@invisibleair2156 Maybe wiped off the face of the Earth?
I know that this is "D-Day scenarios" but i have another potential keyword here being potential D-Day Scenario and this is from the most recent game in the Series The D-Day scenario i see is During Chapt 21 of Silver Snow
My personal scenario follows the defeat of the players army now as we know during the penultimate chapter of silver snow Rhea essentially gives into madness and transforms into the Immaculate one along with creating the white beast that share her blood
After the defeat and death of the players Army Rhea Driven mad with grief Rhea could continue to Massacre creating a desolate foeland sparing nothing but the red Canyon the birthplace of her mother Sothis
3 houses already has a ddayscenario, in the lore it is stated that the first war between the halumans and sothis ruined the work so much that it took sothis going into a coma to restore it.
The Future Past felt almost hopeless. They're the last light of Ylisse and Lucina herself is all that remains of the Ylissesn bloodline to seal him. They fought every day knowing they might die from the overwhelming amount of Risen. If not for Chrom and friends interfering with Grima, Lucina would never have won.
My understanding was that the First Exalt was driven out of Altea to Dolhr where the first Awakening occured, he made his final stand and put Grima to rest, but Grima's blood spilling over the continent of Dolhr kills all life there, turning it into a barren wasteland, and with Altea in ruins the first Exalt climbs the mountains back to Archanea and settles there instead
Here's my theory about what happened with Grima and the first exalt, just for fun:
After discovering Camus new and happy life in Valentia, Nyna returned to Archaneia and found the labyrinth and Grima. It manipulated her and seemed like a good, benevolent dragon, leading to her forming the first Grimleal. Years later, Nyna found out about the truth of Grima, it was too late. She was only able to write it in a diary before passing away.
Now that Grima had a following cult, it used it to manipulate a war between Archaneia and Valentia (both not in their best shape), so no one could stop it in its path of destruction. During their first confrontation, both the exalt and the king of Valentia faced off, but the clash of their Falchions ended in the destruction of both. In the afthermath, the exalt found the labyrinth and, inside of it, Nyna's diary. With this information he revealed the truth to Valentia and formed and alliance, and also a friendship with the king and his sister.
They went out to find the jewels, form the Fire Emblem and make a pact with Naga. Meanwhile, Grima did the same with a loyal follower. Eventually, the exalt made the pact but nothing happened. But Grima was approaching, so he and his friends fought it. Sadly, the king died defending his friend and sister. This act unlocked the Awakening and created a new Falchion from the remanents of the other two. The exalt and the king's sister joined as a unit (the first pair-up ever) and together sealed Grima.
While Grima was defeated, not everything was alright: his follower (Validar and Robin's ancestor) escaped, Archaneia was divided in three countries (eventuals Ylisse, Plegia and Ferox), and Valentia lost its king and was compleatly fragmented (the 1000 years lineage mentioned in Alm and Celica's ending). The exalt married the king's sister and both decided that it was best to not reunify both continents, since it was better for the habitants of those regions to decide for themselves. And as for Valentia, it was renamed Valm and the old king's advisor took charge of a now small kingdom.
Not gonna lie, I always had this idea for an FE game with Lucina as the main lord where they didn't go back in time. Given how dark and apocalyptic she describes it, I feel like it could have an interesting turn of events and could provide a fun challenge. You'd have the main crew (the new shepards), and maybe some new characters to join (who they may have met had they not went back to the past), etc.
That's the dlc story basically where we go to there time instead if then coming to our time. Filled with how the kids would take care of the world after grima was defeated and Everything. Basically a mini version of the story you are talking about. Fates did that too with a prequel story but sequel to awakening and the post world when the kids all come from Different universes.
Full game wise. Lucina is in enough stuff already. Give Priam that game instead
@@ivanbluecool Definitely agree that she's in enough things already. Lol Thinking about it I'm pretty sure the Heirs of Fate DLC did inspire the idea in a way, but also at the fact of Naga implying there are many different worlds, even ones where both the Shepards and kids lost entirely. But aside from that, I agree, Priam having his own game would be great.
@@hoshidonoble0543 grima and Naga litteraly said that a few times. Even Anna said that about the outrealms being connected to many worlds and later walhart goes into them to conquer again.
Yeah the dlc was said to expand on the kids world and you hear the normal ones talk about the what if they didn't move on and got capture instead it's quite sad. It's also Morgan's backstory if you read very carefully you will see in the hot spring scramble Morgan has two books robin gave her one in her timeline and another when robin went into the future and that's why Morgan has 2 in our timeline and how she came back in time being followed by risen
As a TMS fan I have never felt so seen.
Good to know I'm not alone.
People are being too hard on TMS 🥲
Opinion on this game is both too hard and too easy on the game imo.
It's an interesting concept and the songs, designs, and game play is interesting. The dungeons are colorful but not too notible. So due to the nature of the internet, the opinion on this game can seem very two sided even though the praise and criticisms are saying the same thing, it's a very okay game.
The lack of introspection to idol culture and a boring cliches makes it fall short of the philosophical takes most SMT fans like with their main games. And the strictly male viewer based fanservice isolated many FE fans who likes fan service appealed to both male and female viewers.
Persona fans will like this game but the lack of ability to choose your waifu and lack of deeper character interaction other than the flacid nice guy act (Itsuki friend zoned everyone obliviously even though every main female party member proclaimed their undying love at the end of every support chain).
@@cyncynshop I feel as if it was an interessting concept, but it sadly won't see a sequel because a certain groop of people refused to buy the game because it did the same thing as other games in the FE-series that sold well.
SAME
Ok, Fire emblem Lore has some huge potential to be as big and complicated as Zelda lore. Gotta show this to my friends who like zelda and fe lore.
All we need now is an official timeline from IS
Yea, my biggest question, is given all the Archanaean continent stuff happens, like the schism, and the events leading to it, how the heck does Tellius factor in, assuming Priam's inclusion is canon and happens after the events of Awakening's main story.
@@NOIDEAIWILLJUSTUSEHAILEYIGUESS one word: Outrealms.
I will stay with the theory that Tellius does not factor in because the continent if just out of reach. Laguz are mentioned a few times in Awakening, but them appearing seems to be the exception instead of the rule. And Priam is many generations after the Greil mercenaries, so him being there can easily just being argued to be a migration-thing that took multiple hundreds of years of travel.
This video reminds me that I want a game about The First Exalt! Splendid job
I like to think I know a lot of fire emblem lore, but you always find a way to either bring up new information or make old information more enjoyable
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"There is no being in Fire Emblem that even comes close to Grima's power."
Ashunera would like a word.
Loved the video, though! Some great lore here. And the Ending Winter hypothesis is a quite innovative one.
Super great video! I’ve always loved the connections between Marth’s games, FE Echoes, and FE Awakening, such a cool plan, even if things like The Schism weren’t entirely fleshed out lol
Was not expecting the TMS connection. wild is right!
Really great video as always. I never had a clue about the TMS links to the bad end since I've never played the original Archanea games, and your theories about The Schism and Ylisse were really interesting to hear
You’re ending winter theory sounds like a less bad version of what happened to Earth in NieR
I really want a game about the Lost Future from Awakening.
Most of the cast is already filled out: Lucina is the main lord, the other child units make up most of the army, Grima!Robin as the main villain, the Evil!Morgans as minor villains. The player would have to balance fending off Risen attacks, protecting what's left of the kingdom, and working towards finding the Gemstones to travel back in time. With the big finale being Lucina and Co making a mad dash to get to the past while Grima does everything to stop them.
I think it would be a really good game.
So, basically the future past DLC's as a full game?
History Channels new series, Ancient Divine Dragons.
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I would watch that if I am going to be honest.
Hope you do a sequel to this. It was very informative and entertaining. The TMS part was hilarious. Also this just goes to show how much lore is actually right in front of us but you can barely see/learn any of it if you don’t look super hard. Waiting for the day they make an FE lore book or something lol.
Here's another one that's admittedly smaller in scale, but still just as devastating: the Javelins of Light from Three Houses. They turned Ailell from a forest to a volcanic wasteland that people henceforth referred to as the Valley of Torment, and can even reduce famous fortified cities like the Silver Maiden and Stubborn Old General to ruin.
Genealogy is kinda a series of bad endings where many of the characters die and bad end leading to Tokyo mirage makes sense. Guess tharja somehow found her way around.
Yeah I loved seeing how these endings go and honestly a lot of the fe games kinda have bad ends aside party members dying.
Awakening grima won and that's huge and with all the timelines one of them is grima winning as awakening has many timelines. He was even stronger than the valentia final boss showing it was much harder to beat grima in general than most in story logic.
Marths first game bad end is if his wife dies so it's always gonna be A bad wnd
you have to realise how strong Grima is when you realize that Alm and Celica never actually killed Grima or sent it to sleep, even with Alm's Falchion, because there isn't a limit to the amount of times you can battle Grima in game. that also kinda means Grima had been growing and stewing in his hatred in Thabes ever since then right up until the time of the first exalt
@@dragonstorm0888 and that's with people who already saw what Marth and alm fought in dragons and that would make grima stronger than them even.
I mean just on logic alone where it takes 3 main characters with powers like chrom Lucina and robin not counting the dragons and bonus members like walhart to stand a chance at grima and only being beat by luck of robin being super smart tricking fate itself and then destroying grima. And then grima is still happy as mutiple grima are in Feh and warriors
@@dragonstorm0888 My take on that is that only the first fight in echoes is canon and that knocked Grima out for a few hundred years until the time of the first exalt where it rapidly grew into full size due to the grimleal forming and sacrificing people to it consistently.
@@lpfan4491 SOV takes place concurrently with Marths adventures. in between them more specifically. Marth was about 1000 years before the time of the first exalt
8:10 The answer I came up with is that to possibly remove Archanea as a threat, Grima leveled that area first. Then after Altea was leveled, the First Exalt retreated to the Archanea territory which was already leveled, and founded Ylisse as a kind of beacon to draw people who would stand and fight before invading Dolhr/Plegia.
I'm glad other people also support the fan theory that TMS follows FE3's bad ending. I think a cool video or series of videos to do in future would be to try and piece together a unified Fire Emblem timeline. Elibe, Magvel, Tellius, and Fodlan would probably be the most difficult to parse together into it but it could be a fun thought experiment.
finally, the translated script footage matches with the video script :D really tho, the whole thing with the ending winter and the planet shifting was really cool
Even though not every game seems to take place in the same world, the dragon lore is weirdly consistent...? I might be remembering wrong, but I swear I remember Medeus and Loptos' backstories coming from the same event? Or at least the same sort of event?
I can't imagine what the result could bring if the fight Grima with the Legendary Weapons.
Doomsday day dragon vs doomsday weapons.
I had a feeling TMS was based off a branched timeline of new mystery but was thrown off by the awakening characters also being there. Glad to see a more in depth look on it
5:13 If TMS follows a timeline where Archanea was destroyed and Tiki was sent to the Idolasphere, how come is it possible to have a Mirage of Chrom and Awakening characters?
Echoes had phantoms of people who either shouldn't exist yet or are alive in another area from Marth to Roy. Same idea as that basically calling a spirit to aid in battle
I mean ghosts are a thing in awakening genealogy echoes etc.
Or just say multiverse to explain it as fates has reincarnation of characters from awakening either or and grima made like 5 timelines as the one where chrom loses. Kids come back. We go forward and post epilogue stuff plus dlc.
Maybe their ancerstors survived long enougth to have children, and humanity survived , either hiding or as slaves
@@eonia7667 marth didn't die immediately same as some of the lords in bad endings as they probably had kids before dying like sigurd and chrom which would explain how the fight kept going or the blood could have survived. I mean awakening can potentially have mutiple bloodlines be made from chrom Lissa and emmeeryn potentially as we see owain in later games and he then has Ophelia who also has the mark of the exalt too despite being from Lissa who isn't the main blood for falchion.
So by that logic we could see the battle keep going as like in eliwoods and Roy's games the dragons didn't defeat humanity immediately as we can make more kids than them and dragons have less kids and lower birth rates so while they were more powerful in general it was a bigger lose to lose a dragon than a human so the war was in humanity favor.
I always theorized that the Ending Winter caused the pandemic among dragons that ended up driving them crazy on FE3/12
This was genuinely fascinating to listen to! I'd never noticed almost any of this before, but that connection from New Mystery to TMS is INSANE to me! Thank you for all of the time researching and theorizing - it thoroughly entertained me, and got my own worldbuilding gears going
These kind of videos are my favourites from you!
Wait, I thought Archanaea had been united after Mystery of the Emblem, and Marth and his descendants ruled from Pales? Is that wrong?
Also, you missed what might have happened in Valm, since I'm fairly certain that Alm and Celica's ending states that their dynasty ruled for 1000 years...
Also, the Schism happened 1000 years post-FE3, and Awakening was 1000 years after that.
This was amazing and gave me alot of ideas for story telling
this video got me thinking of how little we know about the bad timeline of Awakening that Lucina and the other kids are from. It would be interesting to see a video detailing exactly how it went down, or as good as an idea of it as we can get, given what we do know. I mean really. All we know is that the events in the games timeline are sped up compred to the future, and "more than ten years in the future, Grima is revived, the shepherds tried to stop this, but failed and many died, leaving the world with none to defend it except for the kids, who did surprisingly well considering they are literal kids for the most part by the time they join the game timelines shepherds." I just think it would be interesting to try and construct a clearer timeline of events leading up to the fall of Chrom and resurrection of Grima.
Game explains it quite well itself.
Chrom had Lucina in those 2 years of peace(see drama CD for more information) and left to defeat walhart so everything aside the future kids plays exactly the same aside chrom being weaker as the assasin injured him and then grima took over robin ending chrom there and then. Basillio also died to walhart too in the original timeline so he can't help in the shadows.
Parent wise they had enough time to have kids in those two years and go off to ear and or return defeated or die trying. Nowi left nah with friends and Gerome was lucky to get Minerva back as cherche died in battle.
Lissa is also the exalt as Lucina says how kind she is and wise in the future so a lot of the kids Actually got to see thier parents before they died. Niore saw tharja do experiments and give her the talisman to protect her and so on.
Basically genealogy rules where the women survive and a few men while the rest die is how the kids saw thier parents as they had enough years to know them or train with them aside Lucina as chrom died when she was a baby and Morgan was taken by robin to be his vanguard unit which is why she has two books that are the same as future past robin gave her one and our Morgan is that broken hearted Morgan who lost her memory coming back in time only remembering the good days as she was forced to kill her friends and family following her father as grima.
Anything else just ask. I know everything about awakening
@@ivanbluecool yeah i knew all that stuff as well, I'm pretty much the same in that regard, but id still like a more cohesive timeline.
The cost of preparedness measured now in gold, later in blood
So basically mirage session is the darkest time line, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT!!
Speculation or not, this was a fantastic video! Really nice to have the plot laid out. A refreshing video indeed!
the ending winter sounds like the planet was knocked out of orbit or something.
nvm you literally said it like 2 minutes further in the vid
That kind of sounds like the Nordic end of days, Ragnarock
Regarding the location of Grima's skull, I always assumed that Grima's massive body requires a ridiculous amount of magical energy to sustain which is why he wants to devour everything. I think he went to the Dragon's Table in order to eat the sealed Earth Dragons and that is where the First Exalt fought him. After defeating him the Exalt returned to Archanea due to the western half of the continent being reduced to a barren wasteland.
Honestly, I think that would explain the lack of mad dragons running around or their corpses lying around the land. Grima likely killed and consumed all the degenerated dragons still sealed in the Dragon Table. Hence how he gained such a large form and power to rival Naga. We know the Fire Emblem was broken up, and the gemstones were divided up between the countries that formed after the Schism and the fight with Grima happened 1000 years before Awakening, meaning the seal on the Dragon Table should have broken, releasing the degenerated dragons upon the world yet it didn't happen.
@@LuckyTheReviewer Degenerated Earth Dragons can't destroy the world if they are already dead.
That makes a lot of sense. If Grima made a general rule of eating any dragons he came across, that would also explain why there are so few left in general by the time of Awakening.
I did not expect TMS to be important to the lore.
Loved the vid! I was expecting you to touch on the Great Flood in PoR / RD, but I found out even more.
Woah I didn't know about the Ending Winter. That was very interesting. Keep up the good work👍
Huh, my take on the geological differences between FE1 and FE3 was differences in cartography. In the age these games refer to, map making wasn't always perfect, and the differences in maps may be reflective of differing opinions among early cartographers.
I'm amazed you didn't go over the literal world ending flood that left only Tellius as the last remaining continent on the planet :o
Just to give some scale to The Ending Winter, if anyone is interested (some spoilers for FE3H lore)…
at 13:33 the map shows an area named Nabata, which is a similar shape to Fodlan. That land mass is also near Caledonia, which is referenced in FE3H. Assuming that Nabata is an ancient version of Fodlan, the continent shown on the map is many times the size of Fodlan. The magic wielded by and against dragons that can fit inside a moderately sized castle caused a magical imbalance that affected a world many times larger than just that continent.
Further, the ancient civilization in Fodlan were called the Nabateans, lending credence to the idea that Nabata is in fact Fodlan.
It's crazy to think alot of the games if not all between shadow/new mystery to awakening is just an era where grima isn't around, makes me wonder if we'll get another game with Grima as an antagonist if we get a game where it's based on chrom sealing grima and not Robin killing him
Huh didn't know that Fire Emblem was a Multi Continental power Scaled Franchise
Me either.
what about the great flood of tellius or the holy smackdown sothis gave the agarthans
my personal theory for why the first exalt and their descendants moved to the east is that grima’s remains littered all over the western part of the continent made the land less fertile/harder to grow crops on or something, since grima’s vibes have kinda always been rancid. but that’s just speculation
Grima is 1/3 Divine Dragon, 1/3 Earth Dragon, and 1/3 human so it would make sense that his aura would make crops harder to grow. The Plegian also worship him as the "God of Destruction" so this makes sense to me.
That moment when Elibe literally experienced the apocalypse, both the event and the tome
Please more videos like this? This was really good. Really interesting. I want more Please?
It would be cool if one of the Fire Emblem games took place in one of these doomsday scenarios.
Damn, that new Faerghast video really do be hindering my ability to focus on studying for finals
After the good ending of FE 3 book 2 and FE 12 Marth becomes the King of a Unified Archanea, and rules from the Archanean palace, which would help explain why Ylisse is in Archnaea as the first exalt was already there
So this has nothing to do with the video but me realizing Chrom is voiced by Tomokazu Sugita (va of Gintoki, Kyon, Escanor and many others) in TMS is probably the biggest discovery I've made here.
Perhaps to escape/combat Grima they had to flee back east and meet any survivors to band together and all that
Timed perfectly with the new banner! Ghast, is there something you're not telling us?
I honestly thought that this was a video of real-world comparisons to Fire Emblem. I was very concerned.
I think I never really considered how big Grima was
Good to know I can prevent the dumpster fire that is TMS by getting the good ending in New Mystery.
I love the lore for these games. How intresting would it be to have a game that explores any of these events?
You know what else is funny?
There’s an interesting theory out there that Elibe is part of the same planet as Archanea/Ylisse, Valentina/Valm, and Jugdral. No need for an “Outrealm” gate.
^
The evidence is surprisingly solid, and if true, means that the Ending Winter _might’ve_ had some part in affecting the change in Archanea’s geography before it was renamed Ylisse.
Well… that, or it’s just a [meager] explanation for why certain characters from Elibe’s Sacae region seem to heavily reference characters from _Isaach_ (northeastern Jugdral) in their design. :P
I really love the Future Past! The feh fallen morgans are really fantastic lore wise IMO
Really cool video!
I would love a game based only on the scouring, with astronomical numbers et huge map
9:38 Ashunera: Am I a joke to you?
I think Anankos in Heirs of Fate was worse
Well yeah. Worse as in less powerful. Yessir
It looks like Lucina forgot to do the dishes or finish her homework. Her mother is looking at her with eyes so full of ire... Allo six of them that its making her shake.
I wonder how powerful are the 8 weapons for real as Athos and Braimond don't think twice about brandishing again in Fire emblem 7. Of course we are informed that they have been really weakened during their lock and they only pulled out 3 (4 since the sword of the king of bern should be with Ephidel's father) so they still have some sort of reluctance to use them all?
You mean Zephiel's father?
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 Yeah you are right, the guy who uffes foxes and hires assasins
Maybe the effects take time to manifest? Like you have to Shoot Forblaze thirty or more times for the Magical radiation effects to start affecting the place you’re in, also something in the weapons might have had an unexpected reaction with some parts of the dragon's bodies.
Bramimond says in FE7 that unleashing them would likely destroy the world, so they likely have no idea that they are harmless. Athos also states that the only reason why they only take a few is that getting them all would take too much time.
My best guess is that it is a situration of "Well, the world is gone either way. Might as well take the risk."
@@lpfan4491 yeah, Sacae and Ilia are too far, and too much red tape at Etruria and Bern.