[WARNING] Absolutely INSANE and CREEPY Moments in Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2024
- What the EFF is with Sacred Stones?. Magvel is a perpetually gloomy and depressing continent riddled with zombies, skeletons, freaking giant spiders, GHEB. But also, its villains, and some of its playable characters, have some pretty MESSED up moments which contribute to making Sacred Stones’s generic McGuffin story into one that is memorable. This video is dedicated to those WTF moments, of which there a few. I will warn you, while its entirely fictional, some of these moments can legitimately be upsetting to some. So, yeah. I’m also not going to call a spade a spade for some of these situations simply because I don’t want this video to get demonetized. But its pretty apparent for most of these the proper word you’d use them for.
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Hey ghast.
Those were great examples of why this game is one of the best! Sacred Stones is the shortest and easiest game in the series, but that's because it favors quality over quantity. The characters are all quirky, supports range from amazing to unique and little moments like these are some the most memorable in the series (great or creepy).
Tethys to Artur: Ara Ara~
thank you faerghast for making this video ive been telling my friends how messed up fe8 was for its raiting. but why no mentions of gheb molesting a teenager?
The real Sacred Stones were the friends we made along the way
That's adorable
For real, though, it's kind of surprising how low-key and friendly the Sacred Stones protagonists are. I think the only one who's an out-and-out jerk is Rennac and he's still not in the top 10 of PC jerks in Fire Emblem 7.
maltheopia haha facts
Yeah totally hahah
In mind: everyone is dead except Seth and Erika since I like playing on lunatic.
@VDLS If I didn't like it corny I wouldn't be playing Fire Emblem.
Most of this is a result of what's probably the central theme of Sacred Stones: Corruption. Even more so than other Fire Emblems, Sacred Stones tells the story of a man wanting to do good, who falls to darkness for the powers he seeks. It bleeds into every sphere of the story, from the villains (all three of the "new" Grado generals are those who have fallen from grace, be it a mercenary who betrayed his old friends, a knight who fell to dark magic, or a priest who turned upon the faith), to the locations of the sacred stones (all of the places where stones are shattered or lost become halls of corruption, from the undead ruler Vigarde, to the undead wife of Orson, to the burned tragedy of Jehanna, to the monster-infested Tower of Valni), to the nations themselves (Renais, Carcino, and Jehanna are felled by traitors, and Rausten nearly suffers the same. Only Frelia escapes treachery.) Sacred Stones tells a story in which unseen darkness can turn the whole world black very quickly. Hence why it's a story rife with such treachery, filled with the walking dead, a manifestation of corrupted bodies, and settled only by being willing to cleanse what's been lost, by being willing to let go of the dream of rescuing Lyon. The only answer is to meet the monster, pay the piper, and accept the butcher's bill. Ultimately, Grado is largely doomed. The unseen corruption of the earthbound disaster Lyon foresaw was inevitable, and the only real answer was to cut losses and respond once it happened, tragically. Hence why so many characters have an arc in which they have to accept giving up on Grado, acknowledging the swift fall of a once great nation, and being willing to accept the necessary purge. And this is GRADO, the nation named for the hero most often credited for the fall of the Demon King! In taking in the Fire Emblem, the Demon King's soul, his nation accepts corruption, and eventually pays for it. The other major savior of the first War of the Stones, Morva, also falls to darkness. Very little survives The Sacred Stones. Nobody really escapes the corruption once it takes hold, and the recruits from Grado all barely make it out. It's a dark message. A step into the dark can damn you, and there's no real turning back.
Edit: Darn, editing this for more detail lost me Ghast's love. Still love ya back, buddy!
☝️THIS
Gotchu
I agree, and honestly, the creepy and messed up themes in this story are some of the reasons I love it so much. They add so much weight and depth.
Beautiful description of this game's central theme. I never quite identified it as such, but you are indeed right! Kudos!
It makes you wonder if the Sacred Stones universe is doomed to repeat this scenario. If I remember correctly all of the stones have been smashed besides Rausten’s....Could lead to that universe eventually succumbing to Formortiis.
The scariest part of Sacred Stones is when Seth's horse starts running faster and faster and...
The Demon King checks for Seth under his bed at night
David Rafael So....basically all of time?XD
there it is again. Seth brutally murders everyone again, lmao
@@kosmic100
Very Seth
_I used to raise my arm as he galloped towards the enemy😂_
"How could this get any worse?"
Necrophilia: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
I assume that was one of the implications in Ghast's line a bit before this one. "The more you think about Monica, the more your imagination runs wild with the little information you have, the worse it gets."
"Allow us to demonstrate!"
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 Very cursed but fitting
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 ahhhh fuck....
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 "Here is something to believe in!"
The reveal of Orson and Monica is one of the most chilling moments I’ve experienced in a game. It wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful if they showed a portrait or came out and explained it
To the Japanese kids, this might be normal. But it's WTF to the Americans.
Yeah
It's Fe's FMA Chimera moment except worse since you don't actually see it.
It is still the most memorable moment for me in any Fire Emblem, when I read the title I thought "Yeah he's gonna talk about Orson's Wife, We goin there bois!"
It's now voiced. In Heroes, at least.
I have an inexplicable love for the Orson character. He's just so damn out-of-place with Fire Emblem villains, who for the most part come in only four flavors: Camuses, cackling nihilists, social darwinists, and dullard bandits. The idea of a chapter boss being a sick but dangerous former ally who held it together just long enough to retreat into a depressing fantasy world just doesn't fit this series, but in a good way.
What's tragic is that Ephraim is partly to blame. He never checked to Orson or asked him or cared. He just decided to bring the war deeper and deeper into Grado's territory, giving more and more risks to his soldiers and Orson, and splitting them far from their family.
@@scarocci7333 It's interesting that the only other trait Ephraim has besides being a siscon is being a reckless, impulsive and battle crazy in and out of the battle field.
@@letmecommentstupidyoutube1338 man, you fandom people really just let your imaginations run wild against any stretch of actual gameplay huh
@@scarocci7333 orson's wife died 6 months before the game begins lol. the game begins with the shock assault on renais who king fado insists is a total surprise and he can't imagine why it's happening. yeah, it's totally ephraim's fault that he didn't check up on the mental health of one of his dad's knights
@@MVCx_xB Ephraim led the castle to attack Grado deep in their territory way before the attack on the castle.
Niles and Camilla Japanese S support: I am the kinkiest support conversation ever
Tethys and Artur support: Hold my beer
That support was entertaining 🤣
Reynier Samaniego what happened with niles and Camilla
@@catcat1088 The support conversation starts with Niles taunting Camilla over her fixation with Corrin, then telling his backstory of how he hated nobility, Camilla tells her backstory about the horrible life she had, Niles then apologize and saying he did not realized about everything and try to apologize Camilla by been naked. Then they declare their love, they get married until Camilla says to Niles that if they were going to get married Niles must need to talk dirty to her, which he complies , he says something kinky to her, and she gets all aroused. And that's it.
@@reyniersamaniego9085 oh my
@@reyniersamaniego9085 that's... Surprisingly on brand for them. Why was that gem cut out of translation?
Wow, never thought I'd see the day where an honest-to-God mommy kink showed up in a Nintendo game. And necrophilia too, holy crap.
@Wil E what faires
*cough cough* camilla and her fanbase *cough cough*
Jokes on you, I'm in to that
Wait...
Oh yeah and fire emblem heroes has a succubus
@@silvertipstudio9622 what is a succubus?
0:48-0:51
Oh, it’s rated E, alright. E for “Eeeeeeyup, that’s fine”.
To be fair, the game came out before the E10+ rating was established.
You left out one of the most insane moments of the entire game:
Ephraim showing L'Arachel his shoulder
Too lewd
That alone should have made Sacred Stones a hard Ao.
If I were not a holy woman, I wouldve beaten you senseless!
Favorite support ever
Dozla literally shows his entire shoulder if the animation sprites are to be believed oof
"Listen, Caellach... I've got to kill you now. Don't hold it against me."
This quote is so strong to me because not only has Joshua just witnesses his mom breathing his last breath in front of him, he also just found out that his former brother in battle and best friend killed her, looted the country and palace, destroyed the stone, yet, wasn't even close to being done. He's living through so many terrible revelations at once, and yet he speaks calmly as he decides to put an end to the greedy monster of a man that Caellach has become.
Also, god I love Joshua.
He's The Best Navarre, Fight Me
The best Joshua.*
@@BardockSkywalker always loved that class because of him. Sacred stones was my first fire emblem game ever
@@skyereave9454
I want to be a Swordmaster when I grow up!
_I wanna be an axe weilding class or wyvern lord._
it’s such a small thing to think about, but Caellach is probably one of the most realistic portrayals of what greed does to a man, and it’s scary. Like, the dude becomes so obsessed with money that he stops being a sellsword to enlist in the military to continue his desire for more, tearing down several cities, Destroying two of the sacred stones and being the main reason his ex-best friend’s mother dies. Then when they finally meet again in Scorched Sands, all he has to say is “when we gettin paid?” like, that’s horrifying. he becomes a hollow shell of the proud warrior that stood beside Joshua all because he just didnt have enough money to quench his thirst.
I have a theory that Caellach's corruption was recent rather something that was with him all along. If Caellach was always pure scum, he wouldn't have a friendly conversation with Joshua in one of the routs and Aias would've been more aware of his ally's plan to leave him for dead. He shows flashes of his former honor like rallying the Grado troops in a hopeless fight and not wanting to kill Ismaire unnecessarily (and also not being a rapist) but for the most part, well. It's like you said: "when we gettin paid?"
@@maltheopia
Caellach is only there for the job and he does not care whatever happens to others since he lives by the motto :
"If you can eat your food while everyone is losing theirs, you're good." kind of motto.
And as for his former honor as a fellow mercenary that Joshua knew was he made an excuse about the murder as being "Don't hold it against me." and "This is war, people die, we get money, you know?".
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx And that is why I love Eirika's route. In Ephraim's route, when he and Joshua meet up, they're just, "Hey, good to see you again. Sucks that you are on the wrong side. Time to die." In Eirika's route, Joshua _knows_ what this bastard did, he _saw_ his mother die, and he is out for blood. It's so much more intense.
@@andyknightwarden9746 That face off, with Joshua's ice cold rage and reply of, "I'm going to kill you now, Caellach. Don't hold it against me." Made Joshua my favorite FE8 character...
@@davidtucker9498 Saaaaame.
You know, he's weird for a Myrmidon/Swordmaster character. He's the only one I have ever had max his defense.
Tethys: Oh, a momma's boy, huh? I'll be your mommy~
Artur: *Screaming internally*
Ara ara~
Lute: Hey, can I have the HETAP?
XD 😂🤣
Artur: uh, I need an adult
Tethys: I am an adult
Arthur run!
Artur and Tethys support convo:
Artur: Mom come pick me up I'm scared
Tethys: *I am your mommy now*
Camilla wants to know your location.
Ara Ara, Artur-kun.
>god i wish that was me
wtf dude
Man I wish I was Artur...
"I'm going to pick the one without giant spiders"
RIP Australia
Magvel is basically just an upside down Australia.
@@GeorgeKinsill you actually believe the giant spiders in australia rumours? i live there and can confirm the negative
@@moof4427 Yep, it wasn't at rumour at all
"Darling?"
"This is a message from Lord Nergal, I await you on the Dread Isle."
"Darling?"
"This is a message from Lord Nergal, I await you on the Dread Isle."
"Darling?"
"This is a message from Lord Nergal, I await you on the Dread Isle."
"Darling?"
"This is a message from Lord Nergal, I await you on the Dread Isle."
"Darling?"
"This is a message from Lord Nergal, I await you on the Dread Isle."
Monica and Denning have obtained C Support
@@nintenstar12 better than Belka/Saizo C support
@@DiamondAppendixVODs ...
@@masenki4133 ...
@@felixma9192 ...
Geeze, is it just me or is Tethys practically a proto-Camilla, but without the BRRRRRRRAIN DAMAGE?
And without the incest
Stephano weeeeeeeeeel Corrin is adopted
@@tristanbowles7258 Pretty sure step-siblings are still considered family, which is why they're such a popular hentai topic.
Sheesh, so that's why I took a liking to her.
You forget Tristan. Corrin was kidnapped as a baby/small child. He GREW UP with the Nohrians. They may not be related by blood but they’re still family.
Orson is one of the Fire Emblem villains that has always stuck in my head. As much as I love most of the characters throughout the series, when it comes to villains, a lot of them are either not in control of their actions, exaggerated evil guy who wants to sacrifice everything to their dark god, or watch the world burn, but the ones that are the scariest are the ones that are the most human.
Pretty sure being dead is the opposite of human, smh my head
Alvis shares this trait as well
Lyon, Orson, Selena, all of them have tragic endings
He loved so much, that he could sacrifice everything for her. His kingdom, his loyalty, his cordure. Everything. And so he did. Poor, poor dastard.
Another one that should have been included was Amelia's and Dussel's support conversations. Amelia's mother was kidnapped by bandits when she was younger. Dussel revealed that her mother was in fact alive and that they found her in the bandits' hideout. She was the lone female captive there and was in such bad shape that she lost her memory and could barely walk. You can imagine the things they did to her over that period of time even though the game doesn't go into it.
The "can barely walk" gives me red flags...of the R18 kind. Something similar to I Spit On Your Grave, except she never got her revenge.
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 oh dear lord Jesus
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607yeah, so glad you pointed that out, no-one would ever have been able to infer that otherwise 🙄
In Sacred Stones especially I notice a very extreme theme of Dark defeating the Light. The once proud generals of Grado all suffer a tragic fate, Duessel branded a traitor, Glen murdered by Valter, and Selena dying for more than your average Camus, not just for loyalty, but genuine love. 4 of the 5 sacred stones are shattered, and all but a few very small refuges of the continent escape the undead overrun. One reason I appreciate the cast so much is that the game explains only the willpower and hope for peace in the hearts of your units could overpower the evil of the demon king. This would normally mean nothing, but with how dark and jarring Sacred Stones can be, it actually kinda is worth something here.
Selena didn't even die simply for love, it's because she totally gave up when she learned that Vigarde was now dead/evil. She could have switched sides, but because she had so thoroughly devoted herself to him, she felt she had nothing else without him
@@emberhermin52 Orson retreated into a mad, miserable fantasy when his wife died. Lyon couldn't accept his father's death and set in motion the events of the plot. Ephraim/Eirika have to overcome their grief and accept that Lyon can't be saved before they move on. Knoll's support with Natasha shows him overcoming his feelings of guilt and worthlessness and finding a reason to keep living. Sacred Stones has a lot to say about grief.
So twice a Monica has appeared in Fire Emblem and both times she’s actually already dead? Dang, some Monica must have dumped one of the localization team members hard at some point...
Or probably two, on separate incidents.
Is she dead twice? I know in FE7 she's a cripple, but she doesn't die, or at least her dying is a Game Over unless she dies in part two somewhere and I missed it.
@@mistertaz94 that one's Natalie, the wife of Dorcas.
@@mistertaz94 Her name is Natalie and she's the wife of the gigachad Dorcas
There's also the lady from 3 houses who gets killed and replaced by mole people, and stabs our Dad
2:38 NOTHING TO SEE HERE JUST AN EIRIKA HAVING WEAPON TRIANGLE ADVANTAGE AGAINST A SPEAR AND DOING 89 DAMAGE AS PER USUAL MOVE ALONG FOLKS
SEEMS LEGIT.
107% crit: am I a joke to you?
Should've pointed out her 1-3 range too before battle started
I mean if he tried to do it the normal way she would've gotten destroyed.
@@kiwikarp9509 Nah. I ALWAYS kill Valter with Erika. So goddamn satisfying...
Also Selena's arc is creepy, like she's so self-aware and chooses conscious denial out of loyalty. I cant say she's sympathetic or tragic, but more upsetting because it's realistic that she'd rather go down with Grado rather than choose what is right.
Selena's arc hit me the hardest. When I was young, I only did Erika's arc and most of it past over my head, but replaying it when I was older I felt terrible for her because it took me by surprise.
@@at8439 I've replayed and currently modding FE8 and I realized that Eirika knew Selena as far as the Garcia/Ross chapter. Now I think of what if the twins swapped routes...
Duessel > Selena for that exact reason
I'm reminded of Okoye and W'Kabi, actually, because of their similarity; one loyal to the country who chooses to side against it to save it, another so loyal they choose to do terrible things in the interest of keeping their country on top
At least she was honest, I mean, she messed up saying she would never betray her king so... it's either become a liar or die fighting which she knew was the wrong choice.
I saw it as her choosing to stick it out because she felt she had nothing else to live for without Vigarde and had no hope for a better Grado. She says she knows it's madness, she just is too tired to care about that anymore. Her saying how tired she is when she dies is sort of haunting.
Me: "2020 can't possibly get worse."
2020: *the entire script of Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones*
*Nervous sweating for America*
*oh no*
(Moves to the real world equivalent of Frelia because it was the least affected)
I cant believe they made Sacred Stones in real life
@@eevee1583
Ellen: "So I heard you like Sacred Stones"
: "Oh no Ellen you didn't!"
@@mysticknight1494 I wonder, where would be real life Frelia be?
Give me Sacred Stones Echoes with these scenes fully voiced
No please I don't want to hear the "Darling" scene
@@philemonsayomi8244 judt skip it then or turn off the sound lol
@@CrazyBrook96 You know that's not happening.
Oh NOOO!
Please no
Id like to point out something simple, no words needed. In overmap random encounters notice that every single structure is just, flattened. Ruins. Overrun by monsters. Entire towns torn to rubble, every person living there refugees or dead. The continent
Is.
Fucked.
Huh. Played SS so many times and never realized...
You're right. Essentially, the more the game advances, the more the influence of the Demon King grows, and the more its monsters overrun the continent, except for a few rare places. It's a dark, dark game.
In the postgame the only human enemies you can encounter are the thieves in the Lagdou Ruins. only monsters remain
Bear Emblem
Bandits did it first
@@rydell6899 it’s not that only monsters remain, it’s that you’re hunting them down in places they congregate; in places where there’s been great battles, or places that aren’t as easily guarded. Major cities are still safe
Me as a child: haha Arthur never realizes Tethys likes him. That's cute.
Me as an adult: wait... Tethys is a S H O T A C O N
Shounencon, as a certain singing comet will insist.
Sacred Stones needs it's own remake
I'd buy the absolute crap out of it.
Expand on the characters
Like in sov you can talk to companions in towns to get more backstory
Yes please.
@Noah Avshalom imagine Magvel getting an Awakening-type timeskip.
@@GudHunterYT96 Exactly what I was thinking. I personally think that it has a great cast of characters (honestly, all three of the GBA games deserve to have their casts expanded upon, IS hit gold with them) and seeing them get Echoed would be an absolute dream come true.
The spider never gets to the girl because Super Seth saves the day.
Very Seth
How does Seth even get to them? You need fliers since they're in an otherwise-unreachable area.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 Easy. Seth just solos the map before the spider can get to them.
@@neog8029 In Normal mode, right? I never had that happen... In fact, I was surprised when I talked to other SS players and they would have about how strong Seth is, and here I am just giving a blank look because it's like they're speaking a foreign language...
I'ma just say
watch any speedrun of sacred stones. probably the one that GDQ did a while back. Seth is one of only 2 units in that speedrun that do much
Valter and Eirika's final confrontation in a nutshell:
Valter: **long monologue about how HARD his hardon for Eirika is and how much he was waiting for this fated moment and how excited he is for the soon to come mindbreak tag, being convinced that he must be a true nemesis type character in the story**
Eirika: Excuse me sir.... have we met? I really can't recall you.
Valter: I chased you when you were escaping from home, and I STABBED YOU BOYTOY!!!
Eirika: Oooooh now I remember... that tiny scratch he shrugged off so fast he decimated an entire army the next day by himself! You are that whatitsname with the greasy hair!...
Valter: ....
Eirika: ....
Eirika: Can you make way please? You are blocking the road.
Valter: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Fun little nugget of information: You are made to think of Orson as Ephraim's Jagen because he is. He is Ephraim's Seth. He is what Seth would become if Eirika died.
And Seth is undoubtedly one of the strongest characters in the game, possibly in all of the Game Boy Advanced games, so that would mean.... oh no
He can also marry Natasha
@@eleonorepb4565 You're right, of course. My point is still valid. In that case, Eirika would be directly betrayed.
And then the randomizer happens and the two swap places.
Ya
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That spider art? It's not fan art, it's actual official Cipher art of a bael.
They like to have fun there :)
There's nothing wrong with Sacred Stones having a simple story. It's the characters that drive this plot, and it makes it far more memorable than the likes of Awakening or Fates, with more to offer on the world but only a select few good characters driving them.
You sir, deserve a medal. I love sacred stones to death but it’s been a decade since I played last. This video made me appreciate the game so much more now than when I was a kid and didn’t understand anything. It also made me sad at how garbage Awakening and Fates were. A grandiose story is nice but without well written characters to drive that wagon it’s an empty experience.
@@ColdEmperor Well, I dunno about a medal, but thanks lol. I do like Awakening's story; don't get me wrong. I like Robin and Chrom, but they don't carry the story enough.
That's what Fire Emblem is about... not about a great narrative, but about the characters, their interpersonal relationships, and how the situations affect them.
Fire Emblem has lost 2 things which made it excellent, characters and difficulty. The new games (Awakening and so forth) are just a joke in difficulty, and you like the characters, yes, but they are not memorable.
I do like Awakening, but the games were just...too easy
Tu-Li-Oh*Ryusaiga Wouldn’t call Sacred Stones hard. It’s probably the easiest of the classic games.
But Awakening and Fates can’t measure up in story and characters. Even three houses is lacking. I wish they’d spend a little less time on new mechanics and animations and instead spend it on the story and characters. Three houses has some amazing things hidden, but so much more could have been done. Same with fates and awakening. It’s disappointing since they do have such morally grey villains instead of straight up bad ones.
Sacred Stones has some very noticeable things, after playing the game for the 69th time.
+ Eirika is actually very smart. She disses Innes, teases Forde and pretends that she's a merc to avoid Selena, even before she knows that Selena is a Grado general.
+ Nobles in this game actually act like nobles, like, the adjective 'noble' (morally good). Even L'Arachel, who is a stereotypical pompous young lady. Which is very unlike some nobles in Elibe who are really corrupt. Vigarde is the peak example of being 'noble', which makes his role/story in the game even more tragic.
+ Selena is FE8's Brunnya. She's a Camus, she's a magic general, she loves her monarch to death (literally), she's emphathetic and gentle. She's also beautiful. Her FEH arts make her sexy, but not beautiful.
+ Speaking of similarities to FE6, I think Valter is somewhat similar to Narcian. Wyvern Lords who have no real loyalty to their monarch, and value their own priorities more than anything.
+ Glen is just there so we can recruit Cormag. He exists just to be killed.
+ Marisa is a tsundere for Gerik.
+ Orson's eyes in Chapter 8 are visibly empty, it's not like that in Chapter 5x.
+ Syrene and Cecilia are also somewhat similar. Green-haired ladies. Female commanders. Bad first impressions.
+ Creature Campaign is supposed to be after Formortiis' defeat, but monsters still wander the lands???
+ Innes has a fking spy network that spans over Jehanna. Now that is a tactician.
I always assumed that Creature Campaign was the heroes going around culling the monsters down to numbers that can be managed by people of more average abilities.
She is beautiful in FEH should you ask me. Even her lovely beach outfit looks elegant.
I loved this analysis, especially of Orson. I always wished we had more screentime of him, but after watching this, I think I agree that leaving everything up to the imagination makes it much more horrifiying and tragic. I do wish we got more backstory, though, especially as Ephraim seemed to respect him in the first chapter he appeared. (and also because he took down like a full castle of enemy soldiers by himself, what was up with that)
As a sidenote, 14:24 made me genuinely laugh.
Ephraim taking a whole platoon of enemy soldiers down made sense when Orson was with them, because he was literally 'Seth, but better' and Seth can solo the game by himself. I don't know how they accomplished it after Orson defected tho'.
Most people would agree that an FE4 remake would cause ratings to be in serious consideration if it were to be remade. I'd go as far to lump this game in that same category.... Seriously though I think FE is at it's best when it treads these darker areas without going full blown edgy and these moments are what makes Sacred Stones so memorable to me despite the story being generic.
demonetized, magvel simulates fictional violence on fictional characters
…Which is why Susan Wojcicki needs to be replaced with an actually competent TH-cam CEO.
needs moar gheb
...
Okay but in all seriousness, I actually consider Sacred Stones' plot at this point to be strangely refreshing. It isn't trying to deconstruct medieval institutions such as the church, knighthood, aristocracy, etc. like 3 Houses does. If anything, it feels like the most affirming in its own setting. The kingdoms, along with their respective Sacred Stones are needed to protect Magvel against chaos and destruction, anything from bandits to to illegitimate rulers like Orson, to literal demons.
At the same time, I think Magvel is one of the most beautiful FE continents in presentation, or maybe it's just my nostalgia speaking.
Funny enough, I do feel like more could have been said about Gheb in this video, like the fact that he insinuates rape twice, on top of other acts of cruelty. Really, he feels like he could have walked out of a bad hentai.
And looks like those ugly bastard types normally seen in NTR hentai.
man
didn't even mention the infamous stalker lute support
or even how it makes no sense for lute and kyle to have a paired ending
which of Lute's supports were the stalker supports again?
@@gypsysprite4824 Knoll
Starts out with awkward staring, and then lute says, " you are a threat to my superiority."
Lute basically is an anima Tharja.
Sacred Stones is secretly a love letter to Kaga putting his fetishes in FE.
nah, not enough incest
@@LeinRa-Reaction Ephraim and Eirika?
@@GoddamnILoveBison Disgusting.
@@Punaparta I mean it doesn't help if you know the story of their namesake Sacred Weapons...
@@mistertaz94 that doesn't prove anything though, because the alleged "Incest" is due to mistranslation, and if we went by weapon namesakes, then wtf is with Xander and Siegfried, huh?
Also, they even disapproved it further with the famous "Disgusting" line from FEH
My favorite censored moment was in a flash back with Lyon, Eirika, and Ephraim, they talked about Ephraim eventually ruling. In the Japanese script, Ephraim suggests Eirika should rule and that she can pass off as a man because her chest was flat.
Pretty much a given that was never going to make the English script especially with an E rating.
But it was in the English script and in the German.
I remember Ephraim saying that in game. And I played the English version
In the English version, Ephraim instead says that Eirika is "skinny" enough to pass as a man. It might be clear to us what that means, but it isn't quite as direct as some of those commenting seem to remember.
Oh so that it's what it was! I didn't understand the skinny part in the English version
I wonder the details of what Formotiis meant when promising Eirika to Lyon.
Corpse wife?
Regardless, Heroes's Fallen Lyon's Fonging Bonds S Rank conversation is such a bad ass conclusion to the plot of FE8 that i wish it was canon.
I've always imagined the Demon King wanting to do something very creepy, like raping Eirika while possessing Lyon's body but leaving him a bit of sanity just to make him understand what was going on
When I read F!Lyon's line about "claiming Eirika" this was the most fucked up thing I thought of and I think the Demon King would have been able to do that
What did he say in forging bonds? I stopped after a certain point and didn't unlock all conversations
@@l.n.3372 the lyon in feh is revealed to be the lyon post sacred stones, he finds a way to control the demon king and orders him to serve the order of heroes until told otherwise, this is a rough explanation and someone else could probably explain it better
@@l.n.3372 1.-Formotiis taunts Lyon and tells him he wants to conquer all worlds and how he is all powerful
2- Lyon (possesed by formotiis) tries to prevent the events of FE8 by telling the other Lyon to mot accept Formotiis's offer, Lyon says he cannot do anything to help him.
3.- Lyon reveals he is actually dead post-FE8 Lyon and that he knows how to defeat the Demon King, so he orders Formotiis to help the Order of Heroes and only kill when he has Lyon's blessing or else he will tell everyone the method he can be destroyed.
In other words, Lyon becomes the bad ass he always had in him.
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I'm... Scared
Only because a future where that _very_ _well_ could've happened
Was so narrowly avoided
Still depressed over Lyon....
#LyonDidntDeserveThis 😔
Title and content of video: this is some really messed-up stuff.
Thumbnail: Awwwwwww Chibi Eirika and Ephraim.
I'd say that the underlying theme of Sacred Stones is trust. Not just blind trust and faith, but well-placed trust. When the trust is there and deserved, it can move mountains -- like we see with Innes and Gerik (my favorite), with Cormag and Eirika, or Joshua and Natasha, with Garcia and Ross. But when trust is NOT deserved, it can cause disaster. Such as with Selena, Caellach and Aias, a near-miss with Orson, and of course Eirika and Lyon. It's a surprisingly nuanced take on the theme, especially contrasting games like FE14 and FE9 where trust is for the most part a generically good thing the heroes should give freely.
i agree completely. Dussel and Knoll exemplify it too
FE9? You mean Path of Radiance?
If so then I have to disagree completely. After all the whole point of the plot id there is alot of prejudice and people taking advantage of each other.
If anything Trust is what makes the Greil Mercenaries special. The fact they want to look past it and get people to stop fighting lone enough to deal with Daein.
The relationship Orson has with Monica is one of the parts of Sacred Stones I have never forgotten simply because of how revolting it is
And now, Orson will be making his debut as a Fallen Hero! I hope his eyes will not be glowing red, but sickly pale, truly showing that he has degenerated into madness. I’m betting most of his dialogues will be mentioning of his wife.
His eyes are red but his skin is and you're right most of his lines are about monica
Oh geez, the whole Orson/Monica thing creeps me out till this very day.....
They are people that made really tragic fan art about how this scene looks like
15 years since that and it still haunts me too.
the sacred stones is dark with a capital D.
Especially with Orson boy that scene was just straight up creepy.
And to me this game probably has the best cast of villains, all being creepy and twisted in their own ways.
Some literally twisted and others mentally twisted.
Valter is a prime example of a maniac who will do anything to get erika and caellach kills his own best friends mum for crying out loud because he's greedy.
Gee this game really was somethin.
The cool Thing is they are all Humans driven by Human desires. While A lot of New FE vilains are just evil for The sake of being evil.
@@Some2somewhere far from human desires more like subhuman instinct
I really like Carlyle. He comes off as a very conflicted man who's wrestled with his emotions for a long time, and Caellach just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Joshua obviously sees him in high regard which tells me that he used to be a good person. I get the impression from both his crestfallen expression and his quotes that even when you fight him and when he does go through the betrayal, he's thinking to himself "what have I done?".
This of course isn't to excuse anything that he actually does, it's still sketchy as hell but I like that there's a bit of depth behind it. Maybe he was just trying to find some logical explanation as to why he felt that way as everything started slipping through his fingers. People seem to like it when there is a sound explanation behind their behaviors, even if it's only sound to *them* and not anyone else.
I agree so much with everything. Sacred Stones always gets the short end of the stick for some reason, but it's an amazing game. That's why I made it my first ever TH-cam series (randomized) on my other channel. This was great, Ghast.
Probably because it allows endless grind, making it easier
And you know how RPG elitists be when their games get "dumbed" down
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Which is a huge shame, because Sacred Stones is my favorite of the GBA FE. It's certainly easy, and the remake could benefit from a maddening mode with higher stats enemies and lack of grinding. But the characters and plot make it stand out far more than Binding Blade. And I think nostalgia is what makes people prefer Blazing Sword when the plot of that game is a mess, even if the leading characters are good.
@@l.n.3372 Also FE6 is fairly challenging and hard to just invalidate with 1 OP unit like FE 7 and 8 are
Orson's heavily implied necrophilia will always stick with me. I still can't believe NINTENDO of all companies pulled such a dark stunt in one of their own games.
Desert Mercenaries rerun Hype.
Kinda sad it wasn't Fodlan winds. But kinda happy since I can use them on the summer banners.
@@TheStargov I'm sad that I couldn't get Hilda too but Duo!Eph has evaded me twice now. This time, *I will have the good bois!*
Sacred Stones was my favourite game in the series before 2017 and honestly, it was because the characters and some of the moments that showed off the villains in this game and defined the continent of Magvel as a whole, made it so memorable and really made me think about the place since I replayed the game so many times. (My favourite character is also Lyon, so that's a factor too).
Oh yeah, Valter is basically r/niceguys. But having Eirika kill that guy with a wyrmslayer was so satisfying.
I just realized how much Orson is like the Governor from The Walking Dead. Both loved a family member so much, and would do anything for them despite the family being just moving corpses.
I would bet 100 dollars on the writer having played SS.
The stories and characters of Sacred Stones are why it's one of my favorite FE games - and games in general - still to this day.
That's why voice acting is important, for Tethys support with Artur
Can't wait to hear Tethys saying "Ara ara~ Artur-san" in the JP ver
HARD AS DIAMONDS, BROTHER
Tethys is obviously an Ara ara~ character xD
I pity Jennifer so much if it's the case ^^'
@@YOOT_JJ esa referencia capo
Morva gave me chills my first time playing. I think it was brilliant to have his zombification occur offscreen, leaving the reveal for when you highlight the necrodragon on the map.
Myrrh's dialogue after chapter 20 was probably my most memorable part of my first SS playthrough. I played the game mainly for Myrrh after I got her in Heroes, not knowing how much screen time she'd get. So when I saw this scene, it made me feel sad for her. I hope we get more insight on her character if we ever get a remake.
the way you described Orson reminded me of Dr. Tangzler, who did something like that IRL
He did WHAT irl?
@@ubercow6611 GET OUT: The rabbit hole is too deep for innocent concious
Wasn’t the song “Bride of Necro” based on him?
I'm genuinely terrified to ask
i need knowledge
Having played this game for the first time when I was 12, most of the darker aspects kinda went past me. In my eyes something like treachery is has always been part of fantasy stories, people die, that's just what happens. Giant spiders are scary, and they are a pretty good motivation to want to get through the chapter quickly, but at that age it came over as 'just' a threat to a person you can still save rather than a crual act towards an innocent child. Also the Tethys thing didn't come over to me that way, to me it was just her genuinly teasing Artur and trying to get him to dance with her, I kinda missed the sexual aspects of it. In this way the messed up stuff in the game becomes a whole lot lighter and actually pretty okay for someone my age back then.
Now I'm 19 with over 800 hours playtime, having completed all support conversations. This was my first Fire Emblem game, and seeing the more messed up stuff down the line as I was replaying it definitely added to the replayability. (Though the Tethys Artur support still feels pretty genuine and not really messed up, I guess that's just me though). Having said all that the E rating is still baffling, I'm not sure what was going on there lol.
Gheb's behavior to Tana in Ephraim Route was also a big no no moment for me. He'll "have time for a personal interrogation" with her later. It's a good thing Ephraim showed up when he did because it could have gone a VERY Adults Only route VERY quickly. *Classic Kaga Emblem*
Honestly Valter is probably one of my favorite villains of all time. Probably because at the time he was the first real insane sociopathic killer I had experienced. From start to finish he is just so terrifying and twisted. I remember the first boss battle I had with him and on the second turn he just yells,” I HUNGER!”. That moment alone still gives me chills and scares me.
2:36 Hold up, Erica is stronger than I remembered.
LOL xD
Eirika broke Sacred Stones
Thats if you glitch out the game or lever her up to 20 with all her stats maxed
@@jenswickard1234 but that doesn't explain the Rapier having WTA against a spear.
@@RGA301092 as i said you have to glitchcode the game on an emulator to do that.
I always liked Orson. Probably because he's so similar to Nergal, my favorite FE Villain of all time. He's like mini Nergal
If Nergal was a physical unit instead of magical.
I always hated the moment when I had to fight against Orson...the thing with Monica was just too real for me and, for my bad, I always tried to picture every scene with my imagination...
Imaging a loving, but corruptet husband that isn't capable of letting his wife go gave me weird, heavy feelings while playing. Creepy indeed...(especially with the Echoes soundtrack in the background)
*G H E B*
Edit: There is a scene in Genealogy of The Holy War that rivals these, just imagining Sigurd being burned alive with the rest of the army, the screams...their bodies being disfigured as their flesh is burned, and Sigurd possibly calling Seliph...it still creeps me to the core
I always brush off Orson as that "he's into necrophilia" guy but now learning this i feel really bad for him like holy sh!t, poor guy.
I think too aside from the corruption theme mentioned, SS is also a really dark game given we could not save Lyon.
Well we couldnt save the end boss of other FEs too but none of them were this close to the heroes. Like from start to end, trying to save Hardin, Julius etc wasnt the first top priority. SS keeps making us hope we can save him because he's the heroes close childhood friend and it looks like he sometimes breaks off from the possession. But no, Lyon just dies, despite all of the heroes' efforts and hopes.
In the end too, were unsure if Lyon was in on the plan. Like for one reason or another, did he let himself be possessed in a desperate attempt to save his land or was he actively resisting and the demon king killed his soul as a result? Did the twins just choose to believe a lie and kill him so to save everyone else? I never really got the definite answer for this.
"We couldn't save other FE end bosses". Idoun want some words with you.
Darling... Darling....Darling...
More subtle fucked up things in this game:
-Vigarde was dead for some time before his resurrection but he barely looks it, just kind of pale. But Morva was alive right before he got zombified. He was freshly killed, yet his dragon body still has the "flesh falling off" appearance of a zombie. Meaning Demon!Lyon did that to him in their battle. *What*
-Riev praises Valter's lack of morals, noting how he would "kill a man, claim a woman" when others would not. It seems here he's using the word "claim" as a euphemism for "rape". When Demon King is in Lyon's body, he says that he will "grant Lyon's dark wishes" while Ephraim and Eirika are present "to crush Ephraim, to claim Eirika". And knowing Lyon had a crush on Eirika. He just threatened to rape Eirika using Lyon's body and claiming that's what Lyon really wants deep down inside, to fuck with all of 3 them. *RATED E FOR EVERYONE, I REMIND YOU ALL*
Thats fckd up
All 3 of them? Including Ephraim? Damn Lyon
This seems like something you would upload on October, but sure
Valter was very memorable for me not only because of how crazy he was but also the fact that he fucks up seth, your Jagen character at the start of the game which to me made seem so much more threatening.
i really love how dark sacred stones can get, it really adds something to the world and characters that pulls you in, i think thats one of the biggest reasons why so many people got into the series with SS, it shows that a standard plot structure can and should be used as a vehicle for world and character building
"Arthur tells her that he rubs mayonnaise on his face."
Wait, what?
"Manon leaves"
Oh.
if the fe games were a family, fe8 would be the weird goth cousin
And probably the one who gets the least attention cause her lore doesn't connect to anywhere
What great timing, I actually got around to finishing Sacred Stones today! I had taken a bit of a break and was refamiliarizing myself with the characters by reading supports a few weeks ago and I had the same wtf reaction to the Tethys and Artur support. Don't even know what to make of it... Also, I loved your analysis of what makes Orson so interesting and disturbing!
what about the Innes-Eirika support where Innes talks about how he feels he is competing with Ephraim over Eirika's love and how there are other hints to twincest
the C support conversation between Ephraim and Eirika takes the cake, I'm actually surprised it wasnt mentioned in the video
Eirika: What would our companions say if they saw us in such a personal moment?
Me: uHM, DO YOU GUYS NEED A MOMENT ALONE?!?!?!?!?
@@crazygur1y no they are actually referring to nobles acting bellow their stations
@@crazygur1y it was apparently a mistranslation. It was supposed to be just brotherly affection since Ephraim was patting Erika's head. It was quite an experience though reading Ephraim say "stroke your face" 😂
I agree, Orson has to be one of the most deranged characters in the series. That moment has always stuck out to me.
I'm curious, what did happen to Orson's wife? If I remember right, Riev said something about her returning to the noose if Orson didn't stop Ephraim and Erika from taking back their country, does this mean she committed suicide? If so, I think I see why he was so devastated over her, poor guy...
Ah my man talking about Fire Emblem Sacred Stones! This series seriously need more love. I just love this adventure on Magvel. I know the main gripe from people is that this game is too easy as Seth and Ephraim can pretty much Solo the whole map but I still enjoy this game way more than I should as Leon is the first villain that i came across as having start off with good intention but slowly corrupts into abyss and it makes it very memorable.
Huh. Didn't think about it, but that first example actually really could explain why I like Sacred Stones- It sets a tone from an early point for what to expect. Now that I think about it, Sacred Stones was sort of the 3DS era before the 3DS.
it's funny cause Sacred Stones was the first Fire Emblem available on 3DS (outside of DS back-compat). Ambassador Program had it as one of the games they gave you.
Orson’s story was always so insanely heartbreaking
I guess I can sympathise with the likes of Carlyle, Caellach and Orson. They weren't that different. They all loved something, something above all else and would trade the whole world for them. Even if the thing they loved was meaningless after their own choices. Aiding the Demon King is destroying the world, so all the gold in the world will mean nothing. Ismaire would never love Carlyle after the betrayal, and really, need I say anything about Orson? His wife is long gone, meaningless love, all of it.
Tethys is trying to turn Artur into a femboy like Lucius.
When i first got to the reveal about Orson's wife being possibly a rotting, talking corpse.. i got so spooked i stopped playing the game for a few days 😅
.. i really hate zombies
Every now and then i dream of zombies invasions and they tend to be epic dreams that make me awake smiling. But when it is a more psychological approach, not your generic drooling horde that must be exterminated, but instead your cousin, your friend, your mother that approaches you with undead eyes speaking of how much he/she has missed you... That makes me feel sick as f**k. Up to this day, only Orson's wife has achieved this on me from any videogame.
89 damage, 107% crit rate. Eirika is now the woman of my nightmares.
And that is why Sacred Stones is the best Fire Emblem game.
Amen Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrother.
In story terms, but not as much in gameplay because it supposedly "doesn't reward strategic play."
My first FE game
@@TheBreakingBenny I wouldn't even say its the best in story, its story is mediocre at best. But the reason in my opinion why it is the best because its dark, gritty, and morbid. I also think it has the best cast of villains in the series and has some of the best written dialogue....... It was also my first FE game so you know..... no bias there.....
Sacred Stones was my 1st Fire Emblem so it's very dear to my heart. I've replayed it a few times being older and I fell in love with how dark it was despite the plot being simple and gameplay even simpler. Heroes and videos like these only intensify my desire for a remake since voice acting would amplify these already disturbing elements and elevate sacred stones as a whole.
My first as well. Got me into the series
Caellach's flat goodbye to Ismaire before the strike has the same energy as Axel killing off Vexen in Re: Chain of Memories.
I rank Sacred Stones Story as one of the best. Maybe next before FE6 and after FE4+5. It is a huuuuuuuuge gehb between them but the story behind lyon is pretty tragic and shows how good motives can lead to terrible outcomes if using false methods.
I can handle zombies, skeleton monsters and giant death spiders, but I will NOT live on the came continent as Gheb.
13:35 I shivered at that sentence like OH BOY
Dude, Tethys and Gerik making out in the middle of the fricking battle, but this? THIS!? DUDE, WHAT?!?!?!?
They even pull a more morally grey move than Three Houses with Ephraim's return to Renais. Seth outright tells him that the people are only happy they deposed the unresponsive Orson, not for the return of the King (since they still haven't forgiven his early game antics). In a parallel, when Dimitri returns to Fhirdiad, he is told directly that the people are celebrating the return of the King despite his flaws. Even in the most morally gray post-Kaga Fire Emblem, they don't go as bleak as Sacred Stones.
(Sacred Stones is bleak, but not extremely morally grey. Erika, Ephraim, Innes, L'Arachel & Co. are all good to the core.)
I think something that's also pretty sad in the Jehanna map is that if you have Joshua fight Carlyle, you learn that he taught him how to use the sword
Plenty late to this discussion, but one other detail I liked about Sacred Stones in regards to Orson is how, even with the pixelated nature of our character portraits, you can tell that his eyes are dull and lifeless compared to the rest of the cast. As a kid I always thought he looked "off" compared to everyone else, including too-far gone monsters like Valter, but didn't have the words to describe it.
Scarlet's death in Fates was also an instant where I was left imagining the details up until now. Even Camilla is put off by how gruesome it was.. and she's deranged..