@@ThatPedalShow Thank you, guys! Very informative and interesting content! What about the stereo delay pedals? For example Boss DD-7 or DD-8 or Digitech DL-8 In the same place, in fact, there is not a single preset with separate settings for both channels Is it still just a dual mono or are there also some phase changes in the sounds of both channels?
I will unashamedly say that chorus is by far my favorite effect! The episode today sounded phenomenal. I also liked how deep into classic Bryan Adams territory you got. Great episode!
Bought the original Danelectro cool cat chorus back in the day (the one that weighs about 1kg). Actually bought three units of it, each 18v, each € 20,- It sounded glorious! I'm looking for that stereo sound again, maybe in a lighter, pedalboard-friendly version. I was looking for the Alexander sugarcube, but it wabbles to much for my taste. I don't want too much movement especially not too much movement in volume. Many choruses sound like tremolos, I hate that, I want one steady volume.
For my chorus effect, I use the detune on my old Boss Harmonist pedal. Subtle without the wobbly modulation and makes the the sound lush and delicious. I have tried so many chorus pedals and always come back to the Harmonist detune. Just wonderful… thanks for all your awesome work gentlemen.
@@tobymoorhouse I love my harmonist for the detune chorusey effect but sometimes the delay is annoying! Wish I could find a pedal that would detune without an audible delay
@@RossMcMorgan I find the delay a little hard to bear for harmonies.. I've started using the HR2 in front of a wet only reverb on a parallel loop with the dry signal. The delay doesn't matter then and you get some lovely ethereal pad-like harmonies.
@@jonathandulin8753 overused but somehow a lot of the classic hits are still very popular for a certain generation. Too much for some, for others... too much is never enough ;)
I love that I’ve been watching TPS so long that I have heard you guys explain how chorus works multiple times… and yet I love hearing you explain it again.
That was a fascinating episode, and the Schwang-Out ending was just beautiful, the section after 43:00 especially. Recovering from an op right now so having to lay flat but with headphones listening to Dan was an ethereal experience. Phew ...
You know you have a great channel when someone like me watches this episode even when I can't stand the sound of Chorus on guitars. It truly makes me nauseous. Yes, you guys have a great channel.
I turned on a stereo chorus in the early 90s and never turned it off. My latest fun is chorus into both amp, one “dry” and one with tremolo and delay. The wet/dry/wet with the Dimension C is incredible.
Absolutely beautiful tones and playing. Wet-Dy-Wet Stereo takes me to a very special place. The creative parts of the brain really lit up during this episode, thank you.
Your video on the Dimension C was the reason i bought one. Its the best pedal i've ever bought, i use it in stereo with a Marshall DSL40C and a Vox AC15C1 and its magical. Little delay and a very subtle trem from the AC15 and its so so ambient 👌
How well does a stereo rig work with 2 different amps? I own a 5150 Peavey combo and a Peavey Classic30. Never Had many pedals and am thinking of giving an old school pedal board attempt with my amps. I have been itching for a HX Stomp as well. Definitely liked the TC electronic chorus. 🤘😎
@@timothy5974 its great, you can choose which one you use as a dry and which one as a wet. I use the DSL as a wet amp (more headroom) and use the Vox on a nice "HOT" clean tone. I run 1 fuzz (White Atom) 2 overdrives (blues driver & Tubescreamer) 1distortion (metal zone Waza) and the DC-2w in the front of both amps (use the DC-2w as the splitter) and then i have 2 delays (memory boy deluxe and magecho) and one reverb (JHS) in the loop of the marshall)
I have a very early original CE-2 and DC-2, both wonderful and still going 40 years later.. but I must say the best stereo chorus I have ever tried is the Mr. Black Vintage Ensemble... exceptional. Also, shout out to the old Arion SCH -1... Landau's favourite Mick! Got that too. Us old 80's teenagers love a good chorus!...and the Rockman chorus.... just Epic.
Wonderful explanation - can't say enough good things about this video. Particularly in the studio this is really practical and helpful info. For the average bar band, the problem with stereo is if you separate the cabinets so that one is on each side of the stage and you're standing on one side, then you only hear half of your signal. Thus you turn up to hear a proper blend, and then the other band members turn up to get their blend and on goes the battle. Of course, if you're also the singer and standing in the middle of the stage, then no problem.
For me, chorus will always be the “clean” sounds on AFI’s Sing the Sorrow… idk if many in TPS land know of that band or that album, but this episode immediate made me think of them. Also reminded me why I need a chorus. Thanks guys!
Hmm, well you may know better than me… sure sounds like chorus on This Time Imperfect and The Leaving Song, the former being specifically what Dan’s playing reminded me of. Don’t really hear much on Art of Drowning or Black Sails and certainly not any earlier.. Decemberunderground and on utilizes more modulation so you definitely could be right regarding those. However, as much as I know and love all those albums, it’s STS that instantly came to mind. Idk, call me crazy.
You would REALLY love the band White Lung and their album Deep Fantasy. The song “Drown With the Monster” in particular has some straight up AFI tones.
Brilliant video. I want wide stereo chorus when I can have it, but not all live engineers will accommodate a guitarist's aspirations of spatial dominance. So the demo of what happens to the different types of pedals when stereo is summed to mono was exactly what I needed to understand.
For Dan especially- I struggled for over a decade to find a chorus I could relate to and fell in love with the Paradox Futura- it’s a BBD chorus that includes optional envelope control over rate and/or depth. It’s not stereo but it has a dry/chorus/vibrato knob so you can run it wet/dry. I think you would LOVE it if you have a chance to try it out.
What an engrossing episode. I've learnt a great deal about this effect that I've been using (judiciously) for over 40 years. My first ever experience with chorus was plugging an L-series Strat into a Roland Jazz Chorus 120 back in 1978. I was blown away! Then I tried a friend's CE-1. In mono, but glorious. The only chorus pedal I've ever owned was the TC SCF. I loved it.
One of your best episodes, on one of my favorite topics. The stereo rig rabbithole is a fascinating and deep one, full of twisty-turny passages and endless delight.
Wonderful show guys, thank you. Over the last few years I've got into chorus, and found it just helps bring space to my sound. Originally a Providence 2 knob one, now a providence 3 knob one, which has less hiss.
I spoke with Dave and asked when the TPS tone press was coming out. He told me it's actually a tone PUMP eq. Which totally makes sense to me, sounds great to my ears and I absolutely love my tone pump eq. Odd that it's a 2 channel affair and yours is 1 though. STILL SOUNDS AWESOME !!
A while back I was on the fence about the DC-2W and the CE-2W. I heard a CE-2W before but not the other. This was a great example comparing all of these! Sadly, I bought the CE-2W and now I'm on the hunt for the DC-2W. I love running a 2 amp setup, but never considered 3 amps! I LOVE how you were able to setup that signal chain in the G3!! I ordered a G3 in January and I am impatiently waiting for it to get here. I understand supply chain issues, so I'm not hounding about that. You guys are awesome! Always love all the in-depth information about all the stuff you share with us! Keep up the great work!
I have three Barber Pedals, The Gain Changer, Half Gainer and the Launch Pad. All of them amazing. David Barber makes the best overdrives. I cannot recommend his pedals enough.
Thanks for such and incredibly deep and informative exposition on all manner of things regarding guitar FX. But especially regarding chorus in general and the TC Electronics TC SCF in particular. My SCF+ has been in mothballs for many years - a few days ago I though I should revisit this little bewdy. This clip has been part of me learning how to use it in a manner that I had no idea of when using 30 odd years ago. You have also given me a far greater understanding of what's going on with that pedal. Maybe I'll now be able to realise more of its full potential. Thanks so much!
Great stuff. I love my Boss DC-2w - it's just addictive. I'm also glad you guys Finally got a Barber Electronics Overdrive on the channel. I've been Raving about my Gain Changer SR = phenomenal pedal. Really enjoyed this episode.
Wow! It's chorus, but better! I recently explained to my wife how wonderful the separated signals sound when played through headphones (using my old CE-3), a sound I discovered by accident back in the late '90s. Sure, chorus has been very well used, overused according to some, but those tones you guys got were magnificent. Now I think I have to get me a Bassbreaker to go along with my Delta Blues 210. Also, I noticed that during the dual mono vs stereo example, the dB meter showed roughly 2 dB louder during the stereo play, so it's not just a perceived volume increase, it's actually real. Cool stuff, and very informative. Cheers and thanks!
I will very soon go stereo with second Marshall DSL20 and I was looking for THE best way to split signal. I have got most useful answer possible! Thank you a lot!
Thanks for this great look at how Chorus gives a rig some "space". I personally use the SCF Gold for a similar thing in my W-D-W rig, but my usual Wet/Dry rig has the Vahlbruch Chorus, which is similar to the CE-2 but is just a little more "lush" with a depth, mix and speed control. And it's true bypass and acts as a splitter even in true bypass. - simply everything a small boy could want!
1. Headphones enhances this episode. 2. Nothing wrong with reminding those of us who love the show how the show is funded so we can continue to enjoy it.
Wow what a great immersion into the folds of chorus. The explanation of what is really happening with time and phase while in headphones really made the function clear. Reminds me of the "wide" setting that (fancy-ish)boom boxes came with in the 80's. I recently bought an 80's Roland JC77 from Japan- which arrived with a smashed speaker baffle and grill frame. After rewiring the primary to US voltage(off schematic- same PT for world-wide power) and painstakingly rebuilding the baffle and frame and a deep clean, fired it up and viola! Deep stereo chorus and even on lowest rate and depth the sound from the amp is all enveloping in the room while still being pronounced and not at all lost in a live full band mix. Keeper. Thank you for this show, I've been a fan since you guys were in the corner and really appreciate how you approach sharing your knowledge and opinions. If you ever are coming to Maui I can set up shows, ( I have an in at Mick Fleetwoods restaurant and venue as well as others) have a back up band ready to go and heck, even a cozy studio apt ready. Think about it. Thanks again for what you both do. Mahalo!
Oooh Stereo Chorus was a revelation for me in the 80's : I had an Ibanez Rack UE405 (Maxon) with a stereo Chorus on it, and the time I decided to plug the second output in an H/H bass Amp, I became addicted to that sound. I play stereo since then, even if I tend to use more stereo mod delays, Flangers etc... Anyway, thanks so much for this recap : very pleasing and very interesting and very well explained. The Pitch shift+Chorus or Dimension D+Pitch Shifter in stereo is a sexy combination as well (very aquatic feel) you should try one day ! (may be Steeve Steven secret sauce during the 80's ?)
I have an old danelectro stereo chorus that’s just perfect its been on countless gigs 18V the only pedal that has stayed through out the pedals that have come and gone. Great stuff between a Carr Telstar and a Morgan its just it. Love TPS my go to on anything guitar thanks for all your hard work.
I love seeing the Tone Press! I have a green one of and love it. I have figured out I like vibrato more than chorus usually. There are some super inspiring sounds here though!
Best episode you guys have done. Awesome sounds. Doyle Bramhall on Dogs with Waters very similar tone and my favourite of all time. Thank you guys, keep up the good work, gives me a nice distraction when I’m in too much pain to play. 🙏
So, before the rack days for me, my chorus was the DOD Fx-65. It had its own thing, but I could tweak to get that thinning out so that it was sort of Dim-C like. This show was amazing and I all I was ever missing in those old rigs was that middle dry amp. That's mind blowingly yummy. Great show - and wow, that Barber pedal is a sweet thing!
I’ve been a fan of Barber electronics pedals for a long time. The tone press is actually a compressor not an equalizer. It was one of the first pedal compressors to offer a blend control to be able to do parallel compression. One of my favourite pedals from them is the LTD, a very transparent boost/overdrive pedal. Also if you’re looking for a similarly versatile pedal, the gain changer runs the gamut of all of their versions of the LTD pedal. Their pedals all sound great, are well built with quality components and are very fairly priced
I can understand why people got burned out on chorus, but personally, i could never get tired of chorus. I would love to see u guys mess around with the brand new releases of the Jackson Audio New Wave chorus, and the Beetronics SeaBee. Both BB analog chorus with digital control and both takes chorus to another level while keeping traditional chorus tones on board.
A modulated delayed signal is mathematically identical to a modulated pitch shift, or simpler said a vibrato :) So basically , a chorus is a mix of a straight and a vibrato signal. That is why it sounds so great in stereo, with a perfect separation.
Thanks Dan and Mick for this episode! I especially enjoyed the explanation of Haas effect etc, I have an 80’s Ibanez CS9 that I run always-on into two amps for the widening effect. I just turn the depth up when I need actual modulation!
My first "Boss Chorus" was actually my first amp, in 1985 - a Roland JC-160. It was150w, bi-amped, full stereo, through 4x10s. I was a little underwhelmed by the CE-2 mono out into a smaller, lighter, more portable amp after that experience. I couldn't afford two amps so the thought never crossed my mind to run two. Now I have a JC-22 that almost does it with 2x6s. Now I need to stack my Bassbreaker 007 on top of it. 😁
So, it was definitely no "lovely gentleman" who brought the original "Tone Pump EQ" to the experience day... 'twas me! (And it's a Tone Pump, not a Tone Press... the latter is the compressor he does.) Very glad you managed to get Dave to build you one, and that after all the effort you like it! Also am very glad to see him getting some love on the show, he makes such great stuff.
@@ThatPedalShow Well actually I'm stuck at home with my leg in a brace having had knee surgery... but this will pass. Hopefully get to see the B-Custom put through a wider set of its paces on a New Pedal Day at some point - such a different set of characters than other o/d's I've played. Anyway, am pumped (see what I did there?) that you're enjoying it!
You guys should demonstrate the Pat Metheny thing - modulated delays (NOT chorus) on the left and right, and a longer unmodulated delay in the center amp.
Because you have a dual amp setup going on, your goal seems to be achieve width. Most evident with the DC-2W, which you're only using on settings 3 and 4. I find that the DC-2W to be a really subtle effect, almost an always-on effect, when used on 1, 2, or 1+2 settings in mono. It really is a stunning pedal - chorus is where the magic happens in guitar for me. Also have CE-2, BF-2, and have owned a Mobius (too much going on there, but sounded great), and I have an MM-4 somewhere too, but I started with an Aria Flanger in the late 80s which could make great chorus sounds too. All of this because of Alex Lifeson 😊
Great show,guys.I’m still hoarding my CE-1,which to me still is the best.Had a CE-3,which tone-sucked a bunch and currently have the TC Corona(with Dans Tone Print)should the occasion call. Mostly,though,I want to congratulate Dan on his wise purchase of the Tone Pump(the Tone Press is his compressor).Dave’s pedals are just so good!
Great show as usual, and lovely to see something from the master that is Dave Barber. It’s a fabulous pedal and the first of its kind when it was originally released. The Gain Changer SR and Direct Drive are also classics.
Sensational playing there towards the end, Dan. And Mick sneaked Learn to Fly in, the verse parts of which are my go-to (along with 2 of Keith Scott’s chorusy intros) for testing chorus pedals. Well done chapsters.
It's interesting that the pedals in the dry signal are isolated only for that Amp/ signal path. All the diagrams online (without a G2/G3) I've seen have the dry effects in the initial signal, prior to the split. This demo hits the sweet spot ✔️ rock'on you pair of lunatics ❤️🏆🤩
When recording and mixing into a song where you want to avoid the “center stage” density from kick, bass, and vocal all placed there, if you mix left side = L100 and right side = L20, you’ll get the guitar at left 60% and still have a wide effect, not like the collapse into dual mono.
I have never been particulary fond of the SCF although it is a very respected pedal and today I have probably understood why. It was illuminating. That DC-2w is a very special pedal indeed.
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Can we just take a minute to appreciate how cleaaaan that board looks? Looks so good!
Cheers mate 🙏
@@ThatPedalShow Thank you, guys! Very informative and interesting content!
What about the stereo delay pedals? For example Boss DD-7 or DD-8 or Digitech DL-8
In the same place, in fact, there is not a single preset with separate settings for both channels
Is it still just a dual mono or are there also some phase changes in the sounds of both channels?
I will unashamedly say that chorus is by far my favorite effect! The episode today sounded phenomenal. I also liked how deep into classic Bryan Adams territory you got. Great episode!
First time I heard stereo chorus through two amps I was blown away. Hard to go back after that
No kidding…!
I remember I did that with a Boss CE-3 When it was just out back in the 80's with 2 Fender Tube Amps. Great Tone.
When i put my Neunaber chorus through 2 amps... it was glorious.
Bought the original Danelectro cool cat chorus back in the day (the one that weighs about 1kg). Actually bought three units of it, each 18v, each € 20,-
It sounded glorious! I'm looking for that stereo sound again, maybe in a lighter, pedalboard-friendly version. I was looking for the Alexander sugarcube, but it wabbles to much for my taste. I don't want too much movement especially not too much movement in volume. Many choruses sound like tremolos, I hate that, I want one steady volume.
Same dude
Love the stereo sound of the TC in this setup, just separates nicely without too much 80s gloss. ❤️
Cheers mate, hope you’re awesome 👌
Back in the day, that TC was really the pro pedal. I never had one because I eventually went rack.
Back when TC made great, high fidelity effects in Denmark. But even at it's extremes, the TC Chorus was fairly subtle compared to what the MXR can do.
For my chorus effect, I use the detune on my old Boss Harmonist pedal. Subtle without the wobbly modulation and makes the the sound lush and delicious. I have tried so many chorus pedals and always come back to the Harmonist detune. Just wonderful… thanks for all your awesome work gentlemen.
I have the same (HR2) and can't part with it because of this, there is a subtle delay as well as the detune that doubles beautifully
The TC Electronic Brainwaves has a detune setting. I've got that pedal. It sounds like subtle chorus. I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me.
@@tobymoorhouse I love my harmonist for the detune chorusey effect but sometimes the delay is annoying! Wish I could find a pedal that would detune without an audible delay
@@RossMcMorgan I find the delay a little hard to bear for harmonies.. I've started using the HR2 in front of a wet only reverb on a parallel loop with the dry signal. The delay doesn't matter then and you get some lovely ethereal pad-like harmonies.
I have recently discovered this on my new ps6.. i prefer it to my ch1.. decisions decisions
I just don’t get why Chorus receive so much hate sometimes… it’s a beautiful effect!
Because of its overuse in the 80’s.
@@jonathandulin8753 overused but somehow a lot of the classic hits are still very popular for a certain generation. Too much for some, for others... too much is never enough ;)
@@madmick78 absolutely, we do. All my favorite guitars are lates 50’s and early 60’s reissues.
That and a chorus with a Strat, Eric Johnson's clean sound is to die for.
There's a lot of bad modulation pedals out there😢
I love that I’ve been watching TPS so long that I have heard you guys explain how chorus works multiple times… and yet I love hearing you explain it again.
The DC-2w is just magic to me. With the Strat, centre amp and the delay, it’s just heavenly.
Chorus is such a wonderful sound yeah it definitely brings back memories of the 80s but you lads have brought it upto date
The tone at 38:10 before the delay comes in but with the BB is so, so, so good. I LOVE chorus. Fabulous sound.
It's times like this that make me so glad I have TH-cam in glorious surround sound. Thanks guys 👍
Our pleasure 👍
That was a fascinating episode, and the Schwang-Out ending was just beautiful, the section after 43:00 especially. Recovering from an op right now so having to lay flat but with headphones listening to Dan was an ethereal experience. Phew ...
You know you have a great channel when someone like me watches this episode even when I can't stand the sound of Chorus on guitars. It truly makes me nauseous.
Yes, you guys have a great channel.
Ah, cheers mate 🙏
Man I would so love to take lessons from Dan! His textural playing is so righteous!
Cheers mate 🙏
I turned on a stereo chorus in the early 90s and never turned it off. My latest fun is chorus into both amp, one “dry” and one with tremolo and delay. The wet/dry/wet with the Dimension C is incredible.
PART 2 PLEASE!
Beautiful! 🌇🌌🌴
Now that you mention it, you guys should do a show on the Boston guitar tones. Sholz is a genius
David Barber is a wizard! Glad to see the Tone Pump EQ on the channel. Great tones. The wet dry wet tones sound amazing.
Absolutely beautiful tones and playing. Wet-Dy-Wet Stereo takes me to a very special place. The creative parts of the brain really lit up during this episode, thank you.
Cheers mate 🙏
Your video on the Dimension C was the reason i bought one. Its the best pedal i've ever bought, i use it in stereo with a Marshall DSL40C and a Vox AC15C1 and its magical. Little delay and a very subtle trem from the AC15 and its so so ambient 👌
How well does a stereo rig work with 2 different amps? I own a 5150 Peavey combo and a Peavey Classic30. Never Had many pedals and am thinking of giving an old school pedal board attempt with my amps. I have been itching for a HX Stomp as well. Definitely liked the TC electronic chorus. 🤘😎
@@timothy5974 its great, you can choose which one you use as a dry and which one as a wet. I use the DSL as a wet amp (more headroom) and use the Vox on a nice "HOT" clean tone. I run 1 fuzz (White Atom) 2 overdrives (blues driver & Tubescreamer) 1distortion (metal zone Waza) and the DC-2w in the front of both amps (use the DC-2w as the splitter) and then i have 2 delays (memory boy deluxe and magecho) and one reverb (JHS) in the loop of the marshall)
MXR Analog Chorus is a massively underrated chorus in stereo. that's my go-to and it never gets turned off.
Agreed, it's the only chorus I've ever owned, i never even felt the urge to buy another one
After buying lots of expensive chorus pedals, I plunked down $85 on a used MXR Stereo Chorus and it's my favorite.
I have a very early original CE-2 and DC-2, both wonderful and still going 40 years later.. but I must say the best stereo chorus I have ever tried is the Mr. Black Vintage Ensemble... exceptional. Also, shout out to the old Arion SCH -1... Landau's favourite Mick! Got that too. Us old 80's teenagers love a good chorus!...and the Rockman chorus.... just Epic.
Wonderful explanation - can't say enough good things about this video. Particularly in the studio this is really practical and helpful info. For the average bar band, the problem with stereo is if you separate the cabinets so that one is on each side of the stage and you're standing on one side, then you only hear half of your signal. Thus you turn up to hear a proper blend, and then the other band members turn up to get their blend and on goes the battle. Of course, if you're also the singer and standing in the middle of the stage, then no problem.
So glad to see the barefaced cabs! I use a 1x12 with my SLO 30 and it's just the best sound.
Blimey, I know it's a chorus episode, but Mick's drive tone about 15 minutes in was mega.
For me, chorus will always be the “clean” sounds on AFI’s Sing the Sorrow… idk if many in TPS land know of that band or that album, but this episode immediate made me think of them. Also reminded me why I need a chorus. Thanks guys!
What?! Haha, that record is the least one depending on chorus they've done! It's a lot of slow phasers.
Hmm, well you may know better than me… sure sounds like chorus on This Time Imperfect and The Leaving Song, the former being specifically what Dan’s playing reminded me of. Don’t really hear much on Art of Drowning or Black Sails and certainly not any earlier.. Decemberunderground and on utilizes more modulation so you definitely could be right regarding those. However, as much as I know and love all those albums, it’s STS that instantly came to mind. Idk, call me crazy.
You would REALLY love the band White Lung and their album Deep Fantasy.
The song “Drown With the Monster” in particular has some straight up AFI tones.
Brilliant video. I want wide stereo chorus when I can have it, but not all live engineers will accommodate a guitarist's aspirations of spatial dominance. So the demo of what happens to the different types of pedals when stereo is summed to mono was exactly what I needed to understand.
For Dan especially- I struggled for over a decade to find a chorus I could relate to and fell in love with the Paradox Futura- it’s a BBD chorus that includes optional envelope control over rate and/or depth. It’s not stereo but it has a dry/chorus/vibrato knob so you can run it wet/dry. I think you would LOVE it if you have a chance to try it out.
Cheers, will check it out 🤗👍
What an engrossing episode. I've learnt a great deal about this effect that I've been using (judiciously) for over 40 years. My first ever experience with chorus was plugging an L-series Strat into a Roland Jazz Chorus 120 back in 1978. I was blown away! Then I tried a friend's CE-1. In mono, but glorious. The only chorus pedal I've ever owned was the TC SCF. I loved it.
That 20ms thing is amazing.
Well . . . I'm glad we didn't skip that phase of our journey, that was quite enjoyable.
Loved the DC-2 tones! I'd love to hear you two take on some pitch detune sounds on a future episode.
One of your best episodes, on one of my favorite topics. The stereo rig rabbithole is a fascinating and deep one, full of twisty-turny passages and endless delight.
Mick & Dan...the best pedal reviewers online like usual. Never get bored.
My old box EHX Ploychorus is my absolute favorite chorus. It's a huge pedal but no matter how much my board changes, that one never leaves.
hearing stereo chorus with depth and mod all the way down is exactly what I wanted to hear, very cool, I immediatly got a stereo chorus!
Wonderful show guys, thank you. Over the last few years I've got into chorus, and found it just helps bring space to my sound.
Originally a Providence 2 knob one, now a providence 3 knob one, which has less hiss.
Dan’s playing is a joy.
Man, I need a chorus pedal..
Thanks Jack 🙏
@@ThatPedalShow no, thank you
We really need a short about the TPS chord. How cool would it be to play that and have all the guitar players in the audience smile?
Top notch presentation as always, guys! Great breakdown of what each pedal does at a component level.
I was born in 1980 and find the sound of a CE-2 viscerally comforting.
I spoke with Dave and asked when the TPS tone press was coming out. He told me it's actually a tone PUMP eq. Which totally makes sense to me, sounds great to my ears and I absolutely love my tone pump eq. Odd that it's a 2 channel affair and yours is 1 though.
STILL SOUNDS AWESOME !!
The thump in that Bassbreaker is ridiculous. That Barber OD sounds incredible too. Killer sounds gents!
A while back I was on the fence about the DC-2W and the CE-2W. I heard a CE-2W before but not the other. This was a great example comparing all of these! Sadly, I bought the CE-2W and now I'm on the hunt for the DC-2W. I love running a 2 amp setup, but never considered 3 amps! I LOVE how you were able to setup that signal chain in the G3!! I ordered a G3 in January and I am impatiently waiting for it to get here. I understand supply chain issues, so I'm not hounding about that. You guys are awesome! Always love all the in-depth information about all the stuff you share with us! Keep up the great work!
I often forget how brilliant the CE-2W sounds.
The Wet/Dry/Wet with the Bassbreaker in the center + the DC Waza and the delay in stereo is magic! Now I want that sound for me!!! 🤩
I've never understood the chorus hate. It is absolutely one of my favorite effects. Great demo of these pedals!
Wow Dan!....Your playing is truly inspirational (yours as well Mick, but Dan killed tonight 😂). What a fantastic sound.
I have three Barber Pedals, The Gain Changer, Half Gainer and the Launch Pad. All of them amazing. David Barber makes the best overdrives. I cannot recommend his pedals enough.
Yeah, really special stuff
I love chorus. I probably have more chorus pedals than I do of any other group. Arion stereo chorus is one of my favorites!
Thanks for such and incredibly deep and informative exposition on all manner of things regarding guitar FX. But especially regarding chorus in general and the TC Electronics TC SCF in particular. My SCF+ has been in mothballs for many years - a few days ago I though I should revisit this little bewdy. This clip has been part of me learning how to use it in a manner that I had no idea of when using 30 odd years ago. You have also given me a far greater understanding of what's going on with that pedal. Maybe I'll now be able to realise more of its full potential. Thanks so much!
Awesome, thank you kindly Eduaro!
Great stuff. I love my Boss DC-2w - it's just addictive. I'm also glad you guys Finally got a Barber Electronics Overdrive on the channel. I've been Raving about my Gain Changer SR = phenomenal pedal. Really enjoyed this episode.
It's hard to beat the stereo chorus in a JC-120... so beautiful ! and the stereo vibrato is killer as well in that amp
This is the type of video that you two do best.
Ahhhh, the 80ties. Thanks for this, exactly what I was looking for, just bought an CH-1! You guys are inspiring!!!
I love it when you get into the weeds like this because it's like detailed instructions on how to build these effects in an Empress Zoia.
Wow! It's chorus, but better!
I recently explained to my wife how wonderful the separated signals sound when played through headphones (using my old CE-3), a sound I discovered by accident back in the late '90s.
Sure, chorus has been very well used, overused according to some, but those tones you guys got were magnificent.
Now I think I have to get me a Bassbreaker to go along with my Delta Blues 210.
Also, I noticed that during the dual mono vs stereo example, the dB meter showed roughly 2 dB louder during the stereo play, so it's not just a perceived volume increase, it's actually real.
Cool stuff, and very informative.
Cheers and thanks!
Used to hate chorus because of the de-tuned sound, now I love it for the added depth of tone
You have expanded my auricle boundaries! Thanks Guys!
I will very soon go stereo with second Marshall DSL20 and I was looking for THE best way to split signal. I have got most useful answer possible! Thank you a lot!
Thanks for this great look at how Chorus gives a rig some "space". I personally use the SCF Gold for a similar thing in my W-D-W rig, but my usual Wet/Dry rig has the Vahlbruch Chorus, which is similar to the CE-2 but is just a little more "lush" with a depth, mix and speed control. And it's true bypass and acts as a splitter even in true bypass. - simply everything a small boy could want!
Scf gold is awesome
Every time I hear the Free The Tone Delay on your show I think this would be a great add on the board.
1. Headphones enhances this episode. 2. Nothing wrong with reminding those of us who love the show how the show is funded so we can continue to enjoy it.
What a magical episode again guys, kudos! Very educational and professional approach, you're the best!
“Dan Schwang” is everything, wild playing!
Beautiful episode, boys!!! I so love W-D-W! I see it as a sort of Mid/Side for a live rig. Fat, big, spatial, airy.
Wow what a great immersion into the folds of chorus. The explanation of what is really happening with time and phase while in headphones really made the function clear. Reminds me of the "wide" setting that (fancy-ish)boom boxes came with in the 80's. I recently bought an 80's Roland JC77 from Japan- which arrived with a smashed speaker baffle and grill frame. After rewiring the primary to US voltage(off schematic- same PT for world-wide power) and painstakingly rebuilding the baffle and frame and a deep clean, fired it up and viola! Deep stereo chorus and even on lowest rate and depth the sound from the amp is all enveloping in the room while still being pronounced and not at all lost in a live full band mix. Keeper. Thank you for this show, I've been a fan since you guys were in the corner and really appreciate how you approach sharing your knowledge and opinions. If you ever are coming to Maui I can set up shows, ( I have an in at Mick Fleetwoods restaurant and venue as well as others) have a back up band ready to go and heck, even a cozy studio apt ready. Think about it. Thanks again for what you both do. Mahalo!
Oooh Stereo Chorus was a revelation for me in the 80's : I had an Ibanez Rack UE405 (Maxon) with a stereo Chorus on it, and the time I decided to plug the second output in an H/H bass Amp, I became addicted to that sound. I play stereo since then, even if I tend to use more stereo mod delays, Flangers etc... Anyway, thanks so much for this recap : very pleasing and very interesting and very well explained. The Pitch shift+Chorus or Dimension D+Pitch Shifter in stereo is a sexy combination as well (very aquatic feel) you should try one day ! (may be Steeve Steven secret sauce during the 80's ?)
Hey Folks! Thsnks the show!
like i mentioned before an episode on the MERIS LVX would be great!!!!
thank you!
Greatings from Germany!
DC-2W HUGE Sound with that Bassbreaker plus the stereo!!!!
Oh my gosh , Love Love the Chorus Stuff ! Loved it in the day and now .
Beautiful stuff gentlemen, easy just to close your eyes for a min and enjoy the gorgeous chorus tones. Inspired playing!
I have an old danelectro stereo chorus that’s just perfect its been on countless gigs 18V the only pedal that has stayed through out the pedals that have come and gone. Great stuff between a Carr Telstar and a Morgan its just it. Love TPS my go to on anything guitar thanks for all your hard work.
this inspired me to build a very simple dimension-c-type thing in max, lush! just had a lot of fun playing on it.
I love seeing the Tone Press! I have a green one of and love it. I have figured out I like vibrato more than chorus usually. There are some super inspiring sounds here though!
Somewhere in the distance I can hear a chorus of approval 🎸👍😉
Best episode you guys have done. Awesome sounds. Doyle Bramhall on Dogs with Waters very similar tone and my favourite of all time. Thank you guys, keep up the good work, gives me a nice distraction when I’m in too much pain to play. 🙏
Awesome episode. Please, make a part two adding the trichorus thing.
So, before the rack days for me, my chorus was the DOD Fx-65. It had its own thing, but I could tweak to get that thinning out so that it was sort of Dim-C like. This show was amazing and I all I was ever missing in those old rigs was that middle dry amp. That's mind blowingly yummy. Great show - and wow, that Barber pedal is a sweet thing!
I’ve been a fan of Barber electronics pedals for a long time. The tone press is actually a compressor not an equalizer. It was one of the first pedal compressors to offer a blend control to be able to do parallel compression. One of my favourite pedals from them is the LTD, a very transparent boost/overdrive pedal. Also if you’re looking for a similarly versatile pedal, the gain changer runs the gamut of all of their versions of the LTD pedal.
Their pedals all sound great, are well built with quality components and are very fairly priced
Agree on the Barber pedals = incredible.
I can understand why people got burned out on chorus, but personally, i could never get tired of chorus. I would love to see u guys mess around with the brand new releases of the Jackson Audio New Wave chorus, and the Beetronics SeaBee. Both BB analog chorus with digital control and both takes chorus to another level while keeping traditional chorus tones on board.
A modulated delayed signal is mathematically identical to a modulated pitch shift, or simpler said a vibrato :) So basically , a chorus is a mix of a straight and a vibrato signal. That is why it sounds so great in stereo, with a perfect separation.
Thanks Dan and Mick for this episode! I especially enjoyed the explanation of Haas effect etc, I have an 80’s Ibanez CS9 that I run always-on into two amps for the widening effect. I just turn the depth up when I need actual modulation!
Aaaaand I just got a MIJ CE-2 to try too. But I suspect I’ll prefer the stereo CS9.
My first "Boss Chorus" was actually my first amp, in 1985 - a Roland JC-160. It was150w, bi-amped, full stereo, through 4x10s. I was a little underwhelmed by the CE-2 mono out into a smaller, lighter, more portable amp after that experience. I couldn't afford two amps so the thought never crossed my mind to run two. Now I have a JC-22 that almost does it with 2x6s. Now I need to stack my Bassbreaker 007 on top of it. 😁
So, it was definitely no "lovely gentleman" who brought the original "Tone Pump EQ" to the experience day... 'twas me! (And it's a Tone Pump, not a Tone Press... the latter is the compressor he does.) Very glad you managed to get Dave to build you one, and that after all the effort you like it! Also am very glad to see him getting some love on the show, he makes such great stuff.
Thanks so much Tim, yes, Tone Pump, my bad. Anyway, it’s on the board now and sounding epic! Hope you’re awesome matey 🤗🙏
@@ThatPedalShow Well actually I'm stuck at home with my leg in a brace having had knee surgery... but this will pass. Hopefully get to see the B-Custom put through a wider set of its paces on a New Pedal Day at some point - such a different set of characters than other o/d's I've played. Anyway, am pumped (see what I did there?) that you're enjoying it!
@@ThatPedalShow PS Can you make it sound like a Bad Monkey?
You guys should demonstrate the Pat Metheny thing - modulated delays (NOT chorus) on the left and right, and a longer unmodulated delay in the center amp.
Cool new amp setup. I can see you like the JTM45 sound, as do I.
Because you have a dual amp setup going on, your goal seems to be achieve width. Most evident with the DC-2W, which you're only using on settings 3 and 4.
I find that the DC-2W to be a really subtle effect, almost an always-on effect, when used on 1, 2, or 1+2 settings in mono. It really is a stunning pedal - chorus is where the magic happens in guitar for me. Also have CE-2, BF-2, and have owned a Mobius (too much going on there, but sounded great), and I have an MM-4 somewhere too, but I started with an Aria Flanger in the late 80s which could make great chorus sounds too.
All of this because of Alex Lifeson 😊
this was a great episode to help me realize I've been wearing my headphones backwards for a couple weeks
Hahah
The TC Chorus is my favorite of all time!
Sounds at the end are immense
Great show,guys.I’m still hoarding my CE-1,which to me still is the best.Had a CE-3,which tone-sucked a bunch and currently have the TC Corona(with Dans Tone Print)should the occasion call.
Mostly,though,I want to congratulate Dan on his wise purchase of the Tone Pump(the Tone Press is his compressor).Dave’s pedals are just so good!
This is why I love my 1988 Fender stereo / chorus Princeton reverb amp, it covers all this and more
too bad it’s not a tube amp
Great show as usual, and lovely to see something from the master that is Dave Barber. It’s a fabulous pedal and the first of its kind when it was originally released. The Gain Changer SR and Direct Drive are also classics.
I'm really impressed by the build quality of his pedals. Even though I build a lot of my pedals, I may give a couple of his a try...
@@cpk313 They’re stellar, and the option to have custom versions is great.
I have a small fry. Killer drive and build quality is second to none
Sensational playing there towards the end, Dan. And Mick sneaked Learn to Fly in, the verse parts of which are my go-to (along with 2 of Keith Scott’s chorusy intros) for testing chorus pedals. Well done chapsters.
It's interesting that the pedals in the dry signal are isolated only for that Amp/ signal path. All the diagrams online (without a G2/G3) I've seen have the dry effects in the initial signal, prior to the split. This demo hits the sweet spot ✔️ rock'on you pair of lunatics ❤️🏆🤩
Thanks guys, that was epic. Wonderful playing. Need a chorus pedal now. 👍🏻😀
When recording and mixing into a song where you want to avoid the “center stage” density from kick, bass, and vocal all placed there, if you mix left side = L100 and right side = L20, you’ll get the guitar at left 60% and still have a wide effect, not like the collapse into dual mono.
I have never been particulary fond of the SCF although it is a very respected pedal and today I have probably understood why. It was illuminating. That DC-2w is a very special pedal indeed.
Incredible show gents, You continue to inspire !