Bought the original Danelectro cool cat chorus back in the day (the one that weighs about 1kg). Actually bought three units of it, each 18v, each € 20,- It sounded glorious! I'm looking for that stereo sound again, maybe in a lighter, pedalboard-friendly version. I was looking for the Alexander sugarcube, but it wabbles to much for my taste. I don't want too much movement especially not too much movement in volume. Many choruses sound like tremolos, I hate that, I want one steady volume.
I will unashamedly say that chorus is by far my favorite effect! The episode today sounded phenomenal. I also liked how deep into classic Bryan Adams territory you got. Great episode!
I thought I had a question for the next VCQ, but all I had to do is look back on relevant past episodes and the answers are there. Thank you again for the wonderful resource you have left us all…
@@ThatPedalShow Thank you, guys! Very informative and interesting content! What about the stereo delay pedals? For example Boss DD-7 or DD-8 or Digitech DL-8 In the same place, in fact, there is not a single preset with separate settings for both channels Is it still just a dual mono or are there also some phase changes in the sounds of both channels?
For my chorus effect, I use the detune on my old Boss Harmonist pedal. Subtle without the wobbly modulation and makes the the sound lush and delicious. I have tried so many chorus pedals and always come back to the Harmonist detune. Just wonderful… thanks for all your awesome work gentlemen.
@@tobymoorhouse I love my harmonist for the detune chorusey effect but sometimes the delay is annoying! Wish I could find a pedal that would detune without an audible delay
@@RossMcMorgan I find the delay a little hard to bear for harmonies.. I've started using the HR2 in front of a wet only reverb on a parallel loop with the dry signal. The delay doesn't matter then and you get some lovely ethereal pad-like harmonies.
I love that I’ve been watching TPS so long that I have heard you guys explain how chorus works multiple times… and yet I love hearing you explain it again.
That was a fascinating episode, and the Schwang-Out ending was just beautiful, the section after 43:00 especially. Recovering from an op right now so having to lay flat but with headphones listening to Dan was an ethereal experience. Phew ...
You know you have a great channel when someone like me watches this episode even when I can't stand the sound of Chorus on guitars. It truly makes me nauseous. Yes, you guys have a great channel.
Brilliant video. I want wide stereo chorus when I can have it, but not all live engineers will accommodate a guitarist's aspirations of spatial dominance. So the demo of what happens to the different types of pedals when stereo is summed to mono was exactly what I needed to understand.
I have an old danelectro stereo chorus that’s just perfect its been on countless gigs 18V the only pedal that has stayed through out the pedals that have come and gone. Great stuff between a Carr Telstar and a Morgan its just it. Love TPS my go to on anything guitar thanks for all your hard work.
What an engrossing episode. I've learnt a great deal about this effect that I've been using (judiciously) for over 40 years. My first ever experience with chorus was plugging an L-series Strat into a Roland Jazz Chorus 120 back in 1978. I was blown away! Then I tried a friend's CE-1. In mono, but glorious. The only chorus pedal I've ever owned was the TC SCF. I loved it.
Thanks for such and incredibly deep and informative exposition on all manner of things regarding guitar FX. But especially regarding chorus in general and the TC Electronics TC SCF in particular. My SCF+ has been in mothballs for many years - a few days ago I though I should revisit this little bewdy. This clip has been part of me learning how to use it in a manner that I had no idea of when using 30 odd years ago. You have also given me a far greater understanding of what's going on with that pedal. Maybe I'll now be able to realise more of its full potential. Thanks so much!
I turned on a stereo chorus in the early 90s and never turned it off. My latest fun is chorus into both amp, one “dry” and one with tremolo and delay. The wet/dry/wet with the Dimension C is incredible.
@@jonathandulin8753 overused but somehow a lot of the classic hits are still very popular for a certain generation. Too much for some, for others... too much is never enough ;)
I have a very early original CE-2 and DC-2, both wonderful and still going 40 years later.. but I must say the best stereo chorus I have ever tried is the Mr. Black Vintage Ensemble... exceptional. Also, shout out to the old Arion SCH -1... Landau's favourite Mick! Got that too. Us old 80's teenagers love a good chorus!...and the Rockman chorus.... just Epic.
A while back I was on the fence about the DC-2W and the CE-2W. I heard a CE-2W before but not the other. This was a great example comparing all of these! Sadly, I bought the CE-2W and now I'm on the hunt for the DC-2W. I love running a 2 amp setup, but never considered 3 amps! I LOVE how you were able to setup that signal chain in the G3!! I ordered a G3 in January and I am impatiently waiting for it to get here. I understand supply chain issues, so I'm not hounding about that. You guys are awesome! Always love all the in-depth information about all the stuff you share with us! Keep up the great work!
Wonderful show guys, thank you. Over the last few years I've got into chorus, and found it just helps bring space to my sound. Originally a Providence 2 knob one, now a providence 3 knob one, which has less hiss.
Wonderful explanation - can't say enough good things about this video. Particularly in the studio this is really practical and helpful info. For the average bar band, the problem with stereo is if you separate the cabinets so that one is on each side of the stage and you're standing on one side, then you only hear half of your signal. Thus you turn up to hear a proper blend, and then the other band members turn up to get their blend and on goes the battle. Of course, if you're also the singer and standing in the middle of the stage, then no problem.
One of your best episodes, on one of my favorite topics. The stereo rig rabbithole is a fascinating and deep one, full of twisty-turny passages and endless delight.
For me, chorus will always be the “clean” sounds on AFI’s Sing the Sorrow… idk if many in TPS land know of that band or that album, but this episode immediate made me think of them. Also reminded me why I need a chorus. Thanks guys!
Hmm, well you may know better than me… sure sounds like chorus on This Time Imperfect and The Leaving Song, the former being specifically what Dan’s playing reminded me of. Don’t really hear much on Art of Drowning or Black Sails and certainly not any earlier.. Decemberunderground and on utilizes more modulation so you definitely could be right regarding those. However, as much as I know and love all those albums, it’s STS that instantly came to mind. Idk, call me crazy.
You would REALLY love the band White Lung and their album Deep Fantasy. The song “Drown With the Monster” in particular has some straight up AFI tones.
I will very soon go stereo with second Marshall DSL20 and I was looking for THE best way to split signal. I have got most useful answer possible! Thank you a lot!
For Dan especially- I struggled for over a decade to find a chorus I could relate to and fell in love with the Paradox Futura- it’s a BBD chorus that includes optional envelope control over rate and/or depth. It’s not stereo but it has a dry/chorus/vibrato knob so you can run it wet/dry. I think you would LOVE it if you have a chance to try it out.
Absolutely beautiful tones and playing. Wet-Dy-Wet Stereo takes me to a very special place. The creative parts of the brain really lit up during this episode, thank you.
Wow what a great immersion into the folds of chorus. The explanation of what is really happening with time and phase while in headphones really made the function clear. Reminds me of the "wide" setting that (fancy-ish)boom boxes came with in the 80's. I recently bought an 80's Roland JC77 from Japan- which arrived with a smashed speaker baffle and grill frame. After rewiring the primary to US voltage(off schematic- same PT for world-wide power) and painstakingly rebuilding the baffle and frame and a deep clean, fired it up and viola! Deep stereo chorus and even on lowest rate and depth the sound from the amp is all enveloping in the room while still being pronounced and not at all lost in a live full band mix. Keeper. Thank you for this show, I've been a fan since you guys were in the corner and really appreciate how you approach sharing your knowledge and opinions. If you ever are coming to Maui I can set up shows, ( I have an in at Mick Fleetwoods restaurant and venue as well as others) have a back up band ready to go and heck, even a cozy studio apt ready. Think about it. Thanks again for what you both do. Mahalo!
@ 7.20 for those wearing headphones, the direct is in the left headphone and the modulated in the right, as opposed to how Dan is hearing sat in front of the amps.
I love seeing the Tone Press! I have a green one of and love it. I have figured out I like vibrato more than chorus usually. There are some super inspiring sounds here though!
Your video on the Dimension C was the reason i bought one. Its the best pedal i've ever bought, i use it in stereo with a Marshall DSL40C and a Vox AC15C1 and its magical. Little delay and a very subtle trem from the AC15 and its so so ambient 👌
How well does a stereo rig work with 2 different amps? I own a 5150 Peavey combo and a Peavey Classic30. Never Had many pedals and am thinking of giving an old school pedal board attempt with my amps. I have been itching for a HX Stomp as well. Definitely liked the TC electronic chorus. 🤘😎
@@timothy5974 its great, you can choose which one you use as a dry and which one as a wet. I use the DSL as a wet amp (more headroom) and use the Vox on a nice "HOT" clean tone. I run 1 fuzz (White Atom) 2 overdrives (blues driver & Tubescreamer) 1distortion (metal zone Waza) and the DC-2w in the front of both amps (use the DC-2w as the splitter) and then i have 2 delays (memory boy deluxe and magecho) and one reverb (JHS) in the loop of the marshall)
I spoke with Dave and asked when the TPS tone press was coming out. He told me it's actually a tone PUMP eq. Which totally makes sense to me, sounds great to my ears and I absolutely love my tone pump eq. Odd that it's a 2 channel affair and yours is 1 though. STILL SOUNDS AWESOME !!
So, before the rack days for me, my chorus was the DOD Fx-65. It had its own thing, but I could tweak to get that thinning out so that it was sort of Dim-C like. This show was amazing and I all I was ever missing in those old rigs was that middle dry amp. That's mind blowingly yummy. Great show - and wow, that Barber pedal is a sweet thing!
Thanks for this great look at how Chorus gives a rig some "space". I personally use the SCF Gold for a similar thing in my W-D-W rig, but my usual Wet/Dry rig has the Vahlbruch Chorus, which is similar to the CE-2 but is just a little more "lush" with a depth, mix and speed control. And it's true bypass and acts as a splitter even in true bypass. - simply everything a small boy could want!
I love using the strymon deco for that stereo just slight widening of the double track like you did with the delay set to do that. Just make every thing sound a little wider and thicker. Stereo anything is just so much fun. Running a stereo rig currently with a Princeton reverb and a pro jr. I will throw the dimension c in with it too some times to give it a little more presence/treble sound as well. Think I will always have both the deco and the dimension c on any version of a board I have
Nice Episode, I recently swtiched my mono rig to a stereo rig and always wondered why I had, what I perceived as, a volume drop as soon as I turned my chorus on (Boss CE-5). But now I know it is because on my "main" amp I only receive the dry signal and on my other amp I get the modulated signal (Chours set to 60% wet). Thats what I love about your show, you not only show the cool sounds you can get out of these pedals but also how they work. Keep it up, appriciate you!
Thanks Dan and Mick for this episode! I especially enjoyed the explanation of Haas effect etc, I have an 80’s Ibanez CS9 that I run always-on into two amps for the widening effect. I just turn the depth up when I need actual modulation!
I have three Barber Pedals, The Gain Changer, Half Gainer and the Launch Pad. All of them amazing. David Barber makes the best overdrives. I cannot recommend his pedals enough.
Best episode you guys have done. Awesome sounds. Doyle Bramhall on Dogs with Waters very similar tone and my favourite of all time. Thank you guys, keep up the good work, gives me a nice distraction when I’m in too much pain to play. 🙏
You guys should demonstrate the Pat Metheny thing - modulated delays (NOT chorus) on the left and right, and a longer unmodulated delay in the center amp.
Awesome explanation of each unit very interesting if wanna take it to the next level put an eventide micropitch delay detune between chorus and delay Awesome video!!!
Oooh Stereo Chorus was a revelation for me in the 80's : I had an Ibanez Rack UE405 (Maxon) with a stereo Chorus on it, and the time I decided to plug the second output in an H/H bass Amp, I became addicted to that sound. I play stereo since then, even if I tend to use more stereo mod delays, Flangers etc... Anyway, thanks so much for this recap : very pleasing and very interesting and very well explained. The Pitch shift+Chorus or Dimension D+Pitch Shifter in stereo is a sexy combination as well (very aquatic feel) you should try one day ! (may be Steeve Steven secret sauce during the 80's ?)
Wow! It's chorus, but better! I recently explained to my wife how wonderful the separated signals sound when played through headphones (using my old CE-3), a sound I discovered by accident back in the late '90s. Sure, chorus has been very well used, overused according to some, but those tones you guys got were magnificent. Now I think I have to get me a Bassbreaker to go along with my Delta Blues 210. Also, I noticed that during the dual mono vs stereo example, the dB meter showed roughly 2 dB louder during the stereo play, so it's not just a perceived volume increase, it's actually real. Cool stuff, and very informative. Cheers and thanks!
Excellent show! I think this is what you do better than most; going in depth to explain and explore and a pedal effect! With very few compromisesø. Much better than when you briefly present and play several pedals, as in New Pedal Day. This was classic TPS at its best, and I learned a lot about stereo chorus. I recently swapped a Boss CW-2W for a Neunaber Inspire Plus, and don’t know which type of stereo chorus it features, other than that Neunaber answered me that it «pans the tri-chorus’es left and right». Couldn’t get more. But the Boss CW-2w seems unique. It’s now back on my buy list. Thank you! More ikke this, please!
My first "Boss Chorus" was actually my first amp, in 1985 - a Roland JC-160. It was150w, bi-amped, full stereo, through 4x10s. I was a little underwhelmed by the CE-2 mono out into a smaller, lighter, more portable amp after that experience. I couldn't afford two amps so the thought never crossed my mind to run two. Now I have a JC-22 that almost does it with 2x6s. Now I need to stack my Bassbreaker 007 on top of it. 😁
1. Headphones enhances this episode. 2. Nothing wrong with reminding those of us who love the show how the show is funded so we can continue to enjoy it.
It's interesting that the pedals in the dry signal are isolated only for that Amp/ signal path. All the diagrams online (without a G2/G3) I've seen have the dry effects in the initial signal, prior to the split. This demo hits the sweet spot ✔️ rock'on you pair of lunatics ❤️🏆🤩
34:35 I’m just getting ready to ask if the TC inverts the modulator or the carrier, and thinking…well MAYBE they’ll answer that later. I should keep listening first. And-sure enough-the following section on the Dimension C answers the question. 😀
Great episode as usual. Also many people use chorus on guitar to give a twelve string effect. I use chorus mixed with an acoustic simulator to create a nice lush twelve string guitar type sound with an electric guitar. Also adding chorus to a amplified acoustic guitar can sound lush.
Sensational playing there towards the end, Dan. And Mick sneaked Learn to Fly in, the verse parts of which are my go-to (along with 2 of Keith Scott’s chorusy intros) for testing chorus pedals. Well done chapsters.
Great show,guys.I’m still hoarding my CE-1,which to me still is the best.Had a CE-3,which tone-sucked a bunch and currently have the TC Corona(with Dans Tone Print)should the occasion call. Mostly,though,I want to congratulate Dan on his wise purchase of the Tone Pump(the Tone Press is his compressor).Dave’s pedals are just so good!
…at 39:08 lives one of the magnificent sound I’ve ever heard…😍😍😍…many compliments, guys, you have the power to move me, as always…couldn’t love ya more!🥹
Hey Mick, hot tip, you can take the Epi sticker off your old Epi scratch plate and put it on your new one. Looks cool. My Luthier did it for me when I modded my Casino. Love it.
I have never been particulary fond of the SCF although it is a very respected pedal and today I have probably understood why. It was illuminating. That DC-2w is a very special pedal indeed.
Good to see a Barber pedal on the board :-) Had one of Dave's Direct Drives for well over 15 years, and a Barber Gainster for nearly as long. Great pedals.
Epic episode. And that W/D/W sound--oh my! And thanks for feature a Barber pedal. I've been a huge fan of Barber stuff for years. Great tones and great explanations.
Been experimenting lately at gigs with guitar amp (fender USA pro junior) with a 57 mic in front of it and adding EVH style pitch -9 cent’s left and plus 9cents pitch on the right pure wet with a fairly high level of it and direct sound from the amp Center ! It sounds huge in iems or out of FOH and doesn’t get in the way of the vocals as much it also works great with a dimension D algorithm set to wet only, we use a Berhinger xr18 rack mixer which has pretty decent effects in its virtual rack, the effects can also be changed on the fly via midi from my pedal board which is handy saving space on the board and also means being able to have proper wet dry with one amp like in a studio situation! Totally unnecessary for doing standard pub cover gigs but what heck it’s nice to have an enjoyable guitar tone to listen to during the gig!
Great show as usual, and lovely to see something from the master that is Dave Barber. It’s a fabulous pedal and the first of its kind when it was originally released. The Gain Changer SR and Direct Drive are also classics.
First time I heard stereo chorus through two amps I was blown away. Hard to go back after that
No kidding…!
I remember I did that with a Boss CE-3 When it was just out back in the 80's with 2 Fender Tube Amps. Great Tone.
When i put my Neunaber chorus through 2 amps... it was glorious.
Bought the original Danelectro cool cat chorus back in the day (the one that weighs about 1kg). Actually bought three units of it, each 18v, each € 20,-
It sounded glorious! I'm looking for that stereo sound again, maybe in a lighter, pedalboard-friendly version. I was looking for the Alexander sugarcube, but it wabbles to much for my taste. I don't want too much movement especially not too much movement in volume. Many choruses sound like tremolos, I hate that, I want one steady volume.
Same dude
Love the stereo sound of the TC in this setup, just separates nicely without too much 80s gloss. ❤️
Cheers mate, hope you’re awesome 👌
Back in the day, that TC was really the pro pedal. I never had one because I eventually went rack.
Back when TC made great, high fidelity effects in Denmark. But even at it's extremes, the TC Chorus was fairly subtle compared to what the MXR can do.
I will unashamedly say that chorus is by far my favorite effect! The episode today sounded phenomenal. I also liked how deep into classic Bryan Adams territory you got. Great episode!
I thought I had a question for the next VCQ, but all I had to do is look back on relevant past episodes and the answers are there. Thank you again for the wonderful resource you have left us all…
Thank you!
Can we just take a minute to appreciate how cleaaaan that board looks? Looks so good!
Cheers mate 🙏
@@ThatPedalShow Thank you, guys! Very informative and interesting content!
What about the stereo delay pedals? For example Boss DD-7 or DD-8 or Digitech DL-8
In the same place, in fact, there is not a single preset with separate settings for both channels
Is it still just a dual mono or are there also some phase changes in the sounds of both channels?
For my chorus effect, I use the detune on my old Boss Harmonist pedal. Subtle without the wobbly modulation and makes the the sound lush and delicious. I have tried so many chorus pedals and always come back to the Harmonist detune. Just wonderful… thanks for all your awesome work gentlemen.
I have the same (HR2) and can't part with it because of this, there is a subtle delay as well as the detune that doubles beautifully
The TC Electronic Brainwaves has a detune setting. I've got that pedal. It sounds like subtle chorus. I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me.
@@tobymoorhouse I love my harmonist for the detune chorusey effect but sometimes the delay is annoying! Wish I could find a pedal that would detune without an audible delay
@@RossMcMorgan I find the delay a little hard to bear for harmonies.. I've started using the HR2 in front of a wet only reverb on a parallel loop with the dry signal. The delay doesn't matter then and you get some lovely ethereal pad-like harmonies.
I have recently discovered this on my new ps6.. i prefer it to my ch1.. decisions decisions
I love that I’ve been watching TPS so long that I have heard you guys explain how chorus works multiple times… and yet I love hearing you explain it again.
The tone at 38:10 before the delay comes in but with the BB is so, so, so good. I LOVE chorus. Fabulous sound.
That was a fascinating episode, and the Schwang-Out ending was just beautiful, the section after 43:00 especially. Recovering from an op right now so having to lay flat but with headphones listening to Dan was an ethereal experience. Phew ...
You know you have a great channel when someone like me watches this episode even when I can't stand the sound of Chorus on guitars. It truly makes me nauseous.
Yes, you guys have a great channel.
Ah, cheers mate 🙏
The DC-2w is just magic to me. With the Strat, centre amp and the delay, it’s just heavenly.
Used to hate chorus because of the de-tuned sound, now I love it for the added depth of tone
Brilliant video. I want wide stereo chorus when I can have it, but not all live engineers will accommodate a guitarist's aspirations of spatial dominance. So the demo of what happens to the different types of pedals when stereo is summed to mono was exactly what I needed to understand.
I have an old danelectro stereo chorus that’s just perfect its been on countless gigs 18V the only pedal that has stayed through out the pedals that have come and gone. Great stuff between a Carr Telstar and a Morgan its just it. Love TPS my go to on anything guitar thanks for all your hard work.
What an engrossing episode. I've learnt a great deal about this effect that I've been using (judiciously) for over 40 years. My first ever experience with chorus was plugging an L-series Strat into a Roland Jazz Chorus 120 back in 1978. I was blown away! Then I tried a friend's CE-1. In mono, but glorious. The only chorus pedal I've ever owned was the TC SCF. I loved it.
Chorus is such a wonderful sound yeah it definitely brings back memories of the 80s but you lads have brought it upto date
Thanks for such and incredibly deep and informative exposition on all manner of things regarding guitar FX. But especially regarding chorus in general and the TC Electronics TC SCF in particular. My SCF+ has been in mothballs for many years - a few days ago I though I should revisit this little bewdy. This clip has been part of me learning how to use it in a manner that I had no idea of when using 30 odd years ago. You have also given me a far greater understanding of what's going on with that pedal. Maybe I'll now be able to realise more of its full potential. Thanks so much!
Awesome, thank you kindly Eduaro!
I turned on a stereo chorus in the early 90s and never turned it off. My latest fun is chorus into both amp, one “dry” and one with tremolo and delay. The wet/dry/wet with the Dimension C is incredible.
Now that you mention it, you guys should do a show on the Boston guitar tones. Sholz is a genius
I just don’t get why Chorus receive so much hate sometimes… it’s a beautiful effect!
Because of its overuse in the 80’s.
@@jonathandulin8753 overused but somehow a lot of the classic hits are still very popular for a certain generation. Too much for some, for others... too much is never enough ;)
@@madmick78 absolutely, we do. All my favorite guitars are lates 50’s and early 60’s reissues.
That and a chorus with a Strat, Eric Johnson's clean sound is to die for.
There's a lot of bad modulation pedals out there😢
The thump in that Bassbreaker is ridiculous. That Barber OD sounds incredible too. Killer sounds gents!
I have a very early original CE-2 and DC-2, both wonderful and still going 40 years later.. but I must say the best stereo chorus I have ever tried is the Mr. Black Vintage Ensemble... exceptional. Also, shout out to the old Arion SCH -1... Landau's favourite Mick! Got that too. Us old 80's teenagers love a good chorus!...and the Rockman chorus.... just Epic.
A while back I was on the fence about the DC-2W and the CE-2W. I heard a CE-2W before but not the other. This was a great example comparing all of these! Sadly, I bought the CE-2W and now I'm on the hunt for the DC-2W. I love running a 2 amp setup, but never considered 3 amps! I LOVE how you were able to setup that signal chain in the G3!! I ordered a G3 in January and I am impatiently waiting for it to get here. I understand supply chain issues, so I'm not hounding about that. You guys are awesome! Always love all the in-depth information about all the stuff you share with us! Keep up the great work!
Wonderful show guys, thank you. Over the last few years I've got into chorus, and found it just helps bring space to my sound.
Originally a Providence 2 knob one, now a providence 3 knob one, which has less hiss.
David Barber is a wizard! Glad to see the Tone Pump EQ on the channel. Great tones. The wet dry wet tones sound amazing.
Wonderful explanation - can't say enough good things about this video. Particularly in the studio this is really practical and helpful info. For the average bar band, the problem with stereo is if you separate the cabinets so that one is on each side of the stage and you're standing on one side, then you only hear half of your signal. Thus you turn up to hear a proper blend, and then the other band members turn up to get their blend and on goes the battle. Of course, if you're also the singer and standing in the middle of the stage, then no problem.
My old box EHX Ploychorus is my absolute favorite chorus. It's a huge pedal but no matter how much my board changes, that one never leaves.
One of your best episodes, on one of my favorite topics. The stereo rig rabbithole is a fascinating and deep one, full of twisty-turny passages and endless delight.
We really need a short about the TPS chord. How cool would it be to play that and have all the guitar players in the audience smile?
Top notch presentation as always, guys! Great breakdown of what each pedal does at a component level.
Mick & Dan...the best pedal reviewers online like usual. Never get bored.
So glad to see the barefaced cabs! I use a 1x12 with my SLO 30 and it's just the best sound.
For me, chorus will always be the “clean” sounds on AFI’s Sing the Sorrow… idk if many in TPS land know of that band or that album, but this episode immediate made me think of them. Also reminded me why I need a chorus. Thanks guys!
What?! Haha, that record is the least one depending on chorus they've done! It's a lot of slow phasers.
Hmm, well you may know better than me… sure sounds like chorus on This Time Imperfect and The Leaving Song, the former being specifically what Dan’s playing reminded me of. Don’t really hear much on Art of Drowning or Black Sails and certainly not any earlier.. Decemberunderground and on utilizes more modulation so you definitely could be right regarding those. However, as much as I know and love all those albums, it’s STS that instantly came to mind. Idk, call me crazy.
You would REALLY love the band White Lung and their album Deep Fantasy.
The song “Drown With the Monster” in particular has some straight up AFI tones.
I will very soon go stereo with second Marshall DSL20 and I was looking for THE best way to split signal. I have got most useful answer possible! Thank you a lot!
For Dan especially- I struggled for over a decade to find a chorus I could relate to and fell in love with the Paradox Futura- it’s a BBD chorus that includes optional envelope control over rate and/or depth. It’s not stereo but it has a dry/chorus/vibrato knob so you can run it wet/dry. I think you would LOVE it if you have a chance to try it out.
Cheers, will check it out 🤗👍
Man I would so love to take lessons from Dan! His textural playing is so righteous!
Cheers mate 🙏
Absolutely beautiful tones and playing. Wet-Dy-Wet Stereo takes me to a very special place. The creative parts of the brain really lit up during this episode, thank you.
Cheers mate 🙏
I love this Tele...gorgeous guitar!
hearing stereo chorus with depth and mod all the way down is exactly what I wanted to hear, very cool, I immediatly got a stereo chorus!
Wow what a great immersion into the folds of chorus. The explanation of what is really happening with time and phase while in headphones really made the function clear. Reminds me of the "wide" setting that (fancy-ish)boom boxes came with in the 80's. I recently bought an 80's Roland JC77 from Japan- which arrived with a smashed speaker baffle and grill frame. After rewiring the primary to US voltage(off schematic- same PT for world-wide power) and painstakingly rebuilding the baffle and frame and a deep clean, fired it up and viola! Deep stereo chorus and even on lowest rate and depth the sound from the amp is all enveloping in the room while still being pronounced and not at all lost in a live full band mix. Keeper. Thank you for this show, I've been a fan since you guys were in the corner and really appreciate how you approach sharing your knowledge and opinions. If you ever are coming to Maui I can set up shows, ( I have an in at Mick Fleetwoods restaurant and venue as well as others) have a back up band ready to go and heck, even a cozy studio apt ready. Think about it. Thanks again for what you both do. Mahalo!
I've never understood the chorus hate. It is absolutely one of my favorite effects. Great demo of these pedals!
Concept for the next round of TPS merch: "I've gone down a rabbit hole and there's no coming back!"
@ 7.20 for those wearing headphones, the direct is in the left headphone and the modulated in the right, as opposed to how Dan is hearing sat in front of the amps.
Wow Dan!....Your playing is truly inspirational (yours as well Mick, but Dan killed tonight 😂). What a fantastic sound.
Loved the DC-2 tones! I'd love to hear you two take on some pitch detune sounds on a future episode.
Blimey, I know it's a chorus episode, but Mick's drive tone about 15 minutes in was mega.
I love chorus. I probably have more chorus pedals than I do of any other group. Arion stereo chorus is one of my favorites!
PART 2 PLEASE!
Beautiful! 🌇🌌🌴
I love it when you get into the weeds like this because it's like detailed instructions on how to build these effects in an Empress Zoia.
I love seeing the Tone Press! I have a green one of and love it. I have figured out I like vibrato more than chorus usually. There are some super inspiring sounds here though!
Ahhhh, the 80ties. Thanks for this, exactly what I was looking for, just bought an CH-1! You guys are inspiring!!!
This is the type of video that you two do best.
Your video on the Dimension C was the reason i bought one. Its the best pedal i've ever bought, i use it in stereo with a Marshall DSL40C and a Vox AC15C1 and its magical. Little delay and a very subtle trem from the AC15 and its so so ambient 👌
How well does a stereo rig work with 2 different amps? I own a 5150 Peavey combo and a Peavey Classic30. Never Had many pedals and am thinking of giving an old school pedal board attempt with my amps. I have been itching for a HX Stomp as well. Definitely liked the TC electronic chorus. 🤘😎
@@timothy5974 its great, you can choose which one you use as a dry and which one as a wet. I use the DSL as a wet amp (more headroom) and use the Vox on a nice "HOT" clean tone. I run 1 fuzz (White Atom) 2 overdrives (blues driver & Tubescreamer) 1distortion (metal zone Waza) and the DC-2w in the front of both amps (use the DC-2w as the splitter) and then i have 2 delays (memory boy deluxe and magecho) and one reverb (JHS) in the loop of the marshall)
I spoke with Dave and asked when the TPS tone press was coming out. He told me it's actually a tone PUMP eq. Which totally makes sense to me, sounds great to my ears and I absolutely love my tone pump eq. Odd that it's a 2 channel affair and yours is 1 though.
STILL SOUNDS AWESOME !!
So, before the rack days for me, my chorus was the DOD Fx-65. It had its own thing, but I could tweak to get that thinning out so that it was sort of Dim-C like. This show was amazing and I all I was ever missing in those old rigs was that middle dry amp. That's mind blowingly yummy. Great show - and wow, that Barber pedal is a sweet thing!
Well . . . I'm glad we didn't skip that phase of our journey, that was quite enjoyable.
Beautiful episode, boys!!! I so love W-D-W! I see it as a sort of Mid/Side for a live rig. Fat, big, spatial, airy.
It's times like this that make me so glad I have TH-cam in glorious surround sound. Thanks guys 👍
Our pleasure 👍
Thanks for this great look at how Chorus gives a rig some "space". I personally use the SCF Gold for a similar thing in my W-D-W rig, but my usual Wet/Dry rig has the Vahlbruch Chorus, which is similar to the CE-2 but is just a little more "lush" with a depth, mix and speed control. And it's true bypass and acts as a splitter even in true bypass. - simply everything a small boy could want!
Scf gold is awesome
MXR Analog Chorus is a massively underrated chorus in stereo. that's my go-to and it never gets turned off.
Agreed, it's the only chorus I've ever owned, i never even felt the urge to buy another one
After buying lots of expensive chorus pedals, I plunked down $85 on a used MXR Stereo Chorus and it's my favorite.
I was born in 1980 and find the sound of a CE-2 viscerally comforting.
I love using the strymon deco for that stereo just slight widening of the double track like you did with the delay set to do that. Just make every thing sound a little wider and thicker. Stereo anything is just so much fun. Running a stereo rig currently with a Princeton reverb and a pro jr. I will throw the dimension c in with it too some times to give it a little more presence/treble sound as well. Think I will always have both the deco and the dimension c on any version of a board I have
Nice Episode, I recently swtiched my mono rig to a stereo rig and always wondered why I had, what I perceived as, a volume drop as soon as I turned my chorus on (Boss CE-5). But now I know it is because on my "main" amp I only receive the dry signal and on my other amp I get the modulated signal (Chours set to 60% wet). Thats what I love about your show, you not only show the cool sounds you can get out of these pedals but also how they work. Keep it up, appriciate you!
Thanks Dan and Mick for this episode! I especially enjoyed the explanation of Haas effect etc, I have an 80’s Ibanez CS9 that I run always-on into two amps for the widening effect. I just turn the depth up when I need actual modulation!
Aaaaand I just got a MIJ CE-2 to try too. But I suspect I’ll prefer the stereo CS9.
I have three Barber Pedals, The Gain Changer, Half Gainer and the Launch Pad. All of them amazing. David Barber makes the best overdrives. I cannot recommend his pedals enough.
Yeah, really special stuff
Best episode you guys have done. Awesome sounds. Doyle Bramhall on Dogs with Waters very similar tone and my favourite of all time. Thank you guys, keep up the good work, gives me a nice distraction when I’m in too much pain to play. 🙏
Every time I hear the Free The Tone Delay on your show I think this would be a great add on the board.
You guys should demonstrate the Pat Metheny thing - modulated delays (NOT chorus) on the left and right, and a longer unmodulated delay in the center amp.
What a magical episode again guys, kudos! Very educational and professional approach, you're the best!
Awesome explanation of each unit very interesting if wanna take it to the next level put an eventide micropitch delay detune between chorus and delay Awesome video!!!
Hey Folks! Thsnks the show!
like i mentioned before an episode on the MERIS LVX would be great!!!!
thank you!
Greatings from Germany!
Oooh Stereo Chorus was a revelation for me in the 80's : I had an Ibanez Rack UE405 (Maxon) with a stereo Chorus on it, and the time I decided to plug the second output in an H/H bass Amp, I became addicted to that sound. I play stereo since then, even if I tend to use more stereo mod delays, Flangers etc... Anyway, thanks so much for this recap : very pleasing and very interesting and very well explained. The Pitch shift+Chorus or Dimension D+Pitch Shifter in stereo is a sexy combination as well (very aquatic feel) you should try one day ! (may be Steeve Steven secret sauce during the 80's ?)
Wow! It's chorus, but better!
I recently explained to my wife how wonderful the separated signals sound when played through headphones (using my old CE-3), a sound I discovered by accident back in the late '90s.
Sure, chorus has been very well used, overused according to some, but those tones you guys got were magnificent.
Now I think I have to get me a Bassbreaker to go along with my Delta Blues 210.
Also, I noticed that during the dual mono vs stereo example, the dB meter showed roughly 2 dB louder during the stereo play, so it's not just a perceived volume increase, it's actually real.
Cool stuff, and very informative.
Cheers and thanks!
Excellent show! I think this is what you do better than most; going in depth to explain and explore and a pedal effect! With very few compromisesø. Much better than when you briefly present and play several pedals, as in New Pedal Day. This was classic TPS at its best, and I learned a lot about stereo chorus. I recently swapped a Boss CW-2W for a Neunaber Inspire Plus, and don’t know which type of stereo chorus it features, other than that Neunaber answered me that it «pans the tri-chorus’es left and right». Couldn’t get more. But the Boss CW-2w seems unique. It’s now back on my buy list. Thank you! More ikke this, please!
My first "Boss Chorus" was actually my first amp, in 1985 - a Roland JC-160. It was150w, bi-amped, full stereo, through 4x10s. I was a little underwhelmed by the CE-2 mono out into a smaller, lighter, more portable amp after that experience. I couldn't afford two amps so the thought never crossed my mind to run two. Now I have a JC-22 that almost does it with 2x6s. Now I need to stack my Bassbreaker 007 on top of it. 😁
1. Headphones enhances this episode. 2. Nothing wrong with reminding those of us who love the show how the show is funded so we can continue to enjoy it.
That 20ms thing is amazing.
It's interesting that the pedals in the dry signal are isolated only for that Amp/ signal path. All the diagrams online (without a G2/G3) I've seen have the dry effects in the initial signal, prior to the split. This demo hits the sweet spot ✔️ rock'on you pair of lunatics ❤️🏆🤩
34:35 I’m just getting ready to ask if the TC inverts the modulator or the carrier, and thinking…well MAYBE they’ll answer that later. I should keep listening first. And-sure enough-the following section on the Dimension C answers the question. 😀
I often forget how brilliant the CE-2W sounds.
Great episode as usual. Also many people use chorus on guitar to give a twelve string effect. I use chorus mixed with an acoustic simulator to create a nice lush twelve string guitar type sound with an electric guitar. Also adding chorus to a amplified acoustic guitar can sound lush.
Dod fx65 (my first pedal) , knobs to zero, always on. Digitech luxe for lfo liberation. Digitech Ventura vibe for dry blend control.
this inspired me to build a very simple dimension-c-type thing in max, lush! just had a lot of fun playing on it.
The Wet/Dry/Wet with the Bassbreaker in the center + the DC Waza and the delay in stereo is magic! Now I want that sound for me!!! 🤩
Sensational playing there towards the end, Dan. And Mick sneaked Learn to Fly in, the verse parts of which are my go-to (along with 2 of Keith Scott’s chorusy intros) for testing chorus pedals. Well done chapsters.
Great show,guys.I’m still hoarding my CE-1,which to me still is the best.Had a CE-3,which tone-sucked a bunch and currently have the TC Corona(with Dans Tone Print)should the occasion call.
Mostly,though,I want to congratulate Dan on his wise purchase of the Tone Pump(the Tone Press is his compressor).Dave’s pedals are just so good!
…at 39:08 lives one of the magnificent sound I’ve ever heard…😍😍😍…many compliments, guys, you have the power to move me, as always…couldn’t love ya more!🥹
Oh my gosh , Love Love the Chorus Stuff ! Loved it in the day and now .
You have expanded my auricle boundaries! Thanks Guys!
Hey Mick, hot tip, you can take the Epi sticker off your old Epi scratch plate and put it on your new one. Looks cool. My Luthier did it for me when I modded my Casino. Love it.
Cool new amp setup. I can see you like the JTM45 sound, as do I.
This is why I love my 1988 Fender stereo / chorus Princeton reverb amp, it covers all this and more
too bad it’s not a tube amp
I have never been particulary fond of the SCF although it is a very respected pedal and today I have probably understood why. It was illuminating. That DC-2w is a very special pedal indeed.
My favorite stereo chorus is the Walrus Audio Julianna. Great show Dan and Mick! Cheers!!
Good to see a Barber pedal on the board :-) Had one of Dave's Direct Drives for well over 15 years, and a Barber Gainster for nearly as long. Great pedals.
Beautiful stuff gentlemen, easy just to close your eyes for a min and enjoy the gorgeous chorus tones. Inspired playing!
Epic episode. And that W/D/W sound--oh my! And thanks for feature a Barber pedal. I've been a huge fan of Barber stuff for years. Great tones and great explanations.
Been experimenting lately at gigs with guitar amp (fender USA pro junior) with a 57 mic in front of it and adding EVH style pitch -9 cent’s left and plus 9cents pitch on the right pure wet with a fairly high level of it and direct sound from the amp Center ! It sounds huge in iems or out of FOH and doesn’t get in the way of the vocals as much it also works great with a dimension D algorithm set to wet only, we use a Berhinger xr18 rack mixer which has pretty decent effects in its virtual rack, the effects can also be changed on the fly via midi from my pedal board which is handy saving space on the board and also means being able to have proper wet dry with one amp like in a studio situation! Totally unnecessary for doing standard pub cover gigs but what heck it’s nice to have an enjoyable guitar tone to listen to during the gig!
Great show as usual, and lovely to see something from the master that is Dave Barber. It’s a fabulous pedal and the first of its kind when it was originally released. The Gain Changer SR and Direct Drive are also classics.
I'm really impressed by the build quality of his pedals. Even though I build a lot of my pedals, I may give a couple of his a try...
@@cpk313 They’re stellar, and the option to have custom versions is great.
I have a small fry. Killer drive and build quality is second to none
I really enjoyed the different styles of Chorus each offered but I really like the Dimensional Chorus pedal from Boss, wow!