Nightingale Early Access Review: A Bumpy Start
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- Nightingale, a new early access survival game, has very mixed community reception in only the first 2 days. In this review I discuss the main points of discussion in the community and my own experience after the first 48 hours of Nightingale.
0:00 Intro
0:38 Context
1:14 Core gameplay loop
3:04 Negatives
6:29 Positives
8:07 Wrap up
Good news, they are actively working as top priority on offline mode
Yeah I saw that, exciting! I wonder how long that will take though
@@WilstormGaming Possibly a month or more since they said they focused on making the co-op from the get go. Id be very impressed if the got it working under a month
@@adamantiumreaver4283 As long as online and offline gear/chars are separate.
A solid and just review. Offline mode or ability to host servers (accessibility for those playing in other parts of the world), Quality of life for crafting (it's tedious and not enjoyable currently), combat is clunky and feels like more of an annoyance than engaging. Loving the building system. A little polish and refinement and it has the potential of being top tier survival fantasy. The tutorial feels like it could be a bit more exciting since it's forced upon you.
I won't be getting a refund for this game or leaving a negative review because I really want this game to succeed. I will be trying to give constructive criticism though in hopes that it could help development. This game has so much potential and I'd hate to see it go to waste.
Yep I'm still persisting - love the idea of the game and the world is great, just want offline play, better combat and some QOL haha
It still has promise! A rocky start, but it is not doomed.
Still having highhopes for this one, but I will wait with buying it.
i find it fascinating how developers think ... or atleast for this game... they stress tested the damn game ... and didn't find issues? ... either way... it's so much reinventing the wheel that i just get dizzy playing the game.
It's wild to me that the quality of life and combat made it to the EA release as it is currently. The online server thing I get that they had a vision and went for it - doesn't work and they've announced they'll add offline mode asap which is good - but the quality of life stuff is crazy that it didn't get picked up in testing
Good review - my only disagreement is about the character visuals...while they may look a bit, let's say, odd, I appreciate the realistic approach, rendering more humane faces rather than "heroic" stereotypes.
Thank you, yeah if I'm being fair character select is very much personal preference - I know lots of people love detailed character creation, I personally just hate the look of them haha
I think they fit for the aesthetics and Victorian era. Also more realistic. I thought they were ugly as well at first, but they kinda grow on you
No chest crafting in 2024? My first exposure was in Sandrock and from that point on it was a must. In my own crafting system the only addition was a toggle on each container, to decide if they are part of the "network" (I like to have some safe storage where I don't accidentally craft away stuff I wanted to keep for later). Sure, it adds some logic: which container to take stuff from (the one that has the least to free up slots), which one to put it in when auto-crafting (the one which has the most, but topping up stacks first). And sure, you have stupid issues where one crafting stations uses up all the material and the others "starve" (round robin is your friend).
I hope they will add that sooner rather than later.
They've already stated they are making abunch of QOL changes ASAP and I'm sure that will be at the top of the list.
Have to say I disagree with your problems that cause you to say this game has a "bumpy" start, lets start off with it is not a full release game yet and is still in development. The server issues at launch have been an issue for almost every semi popular game for years now. Even AAA titles have had this issue and once things calmed down and regulated I have had no issues with server lag or being kicked for over a day now. The rest of your complaints are with basic game mechanics that you personally dont like about crafting and chatacter creation. The crafting is fun and more in depth than other games and I so far enjoy it. Not having a que for work stations is annoying but I dont mind since it makes you be active around base keeping track of different stations instead of standing in one spot waiting while you text on your phone to kill time. I am playing a game to be immersed in it. Crafting from storage is a luxury some games have but is not needed. I love having organized storage and fetching things right away because I know where I put them instead of a junk box that auto grabs from it. As for character creation I did think some character models are weird and funny but it fits very well with the games style. Also the minor details you can do in the creation is insane already. I spent over 20 minutes doing my family tree and the details on the eyes and face without realizing I was spending more time on character creation than I had in the whole game so far enjoying it. Combat is a little clunky but I would say solid for an early release game. Nothing over complicated but still feels satisfying when you land criticals or dodge correctly. This is more of a minor personal preferences rant than about actual gameplay and story that misleads others from playing the game due to your personal preferences. Only major issue you stated was connection issues which a majority of people have been fixed for including myself. If you still have issue wait for the early access with offiline mode available, its only early access and only people who condemn a game this early for a single issue thats not an issue for most players anymore are just not appreciating what early access titles really are. They didnt have to release the game yet to let fans play and enjoy their creations as they build upon it and even take feedback from us, but they did and to expect a perfect game is unrealistic. If you have issues go play the AAAA Skull and bones full release thats online and such a perfect complete game. (Worse game release this year and I was so dissapointed in it and yet they stand by their quad A title) Just my opinion, the game has a good story and magical worlds that will only get better as they get closer to a 1.0 full release.
Haven't noticed network issues. And what person in 2024 is trying to play on any PC without an internet connection?
400 ping offline??????
Why? Are they trying to stop pirating?
Who knows - they've announced they will release an offline mode ASAP.
Even though the game has some blatant problems, most of them are very fixable. I would say the crafting and UI are my main complaint because thats what I found the most tedious and annoying. If they can just polish things and fix some stuff I think this game will be great because the endgame is actually quite interesting and it's very unique to a survival game.
Yeah absolutely, thats all very fixable and I'm sur ethey will with the decent size of their dev team. And they've already announced an offline mode asap which is amazing!
Pretty much nailed it. Nightingale makes me wish the steam refund policy was a little more lenient. I was very excited for it but its been pretty disappointing so far. I think it's maybe been in development too long and in the meantime other games have come out that just do a better job. After putting 100+ hours into Enshrouded, Nightingale just doesn't feel good. I can't even get the antiquarian card because of how terrible the combat is on my system. Really hope they can fix things quickly to bring it up to par with other games that jave come out recently.
Yep, while Enshrouded also had it problems. the simple fact is I enjoyed playing the game and did so for about 100 hours as well. I haven't had that feeling with Nightingale
I have the same feeling of not wanting to continue after about 10 hours. Crafting is overly complicated and tedious, I dont want to have to use 4 different benches to make a tool or a piece of gear. Combat is clunky and boring. Essence grind is terrible and repetitive doing the puzzles and occupations over and over. Gear score system was just a bad idea compared to levels and exp. I thought the realms would be bigger, nope just small bubble maps. Online only doesnt bother me since im in the US but i feel bad for others with connection issues. I think the graphics and art style is nice but yea the game is just not good. I remember a dev blog saying the game was delayed because the testers literally said it was too boring with no sense of direction lol. (Foreshadowing) Tried to return it but was over the 2 hour mark.
I haven't played the game yet, but I don't like overly-complicated crafting systems. That doesn't sound good to me. The game looks amazing, though.
Great review. Just what I was looking for. Sounds like I need to wait for this one to cook a bit more. Man I hope they let us play this on single player. I mean geez.
Yeah it's a real bummer, they announced this morning in the official discord that they are going to implement offline mode asap
Thank god. I wonder why they didn't include it in the first place?? Weird but ok
@@Nesdude42 You can play it single-player, it just requires a network connection. Letting people host their own servers unlocks a whole host of issues to deal with, and allowing characters to go back and forth from online mode is a nightmare. Glad they're doing it, but not unreasonable that they didn't start out with that capability. It reminds me a lot of the launch of Icarus. I hope they continue to iterate on what they have in the same way that team has....
I’m more shocked how most people are reviewing this as it’s the final product it’s kinda crazy how hard they going on basic things they know are in what’s basically still alpha stage…and even then people try to pull up palworld this and enshrouded that and BOTH of those games had craptastic launch days and was doing constant patches and fixes…basically people are giving horrible reviews on the game and which how steam reviews are made it’s getting a bad wrap for things the team has addressed and said they are working on and going to implement…(crafting from storage,offline play,AI, etc etc)
I don't mean for it to be too negative - as I said I'm sure the Dev team is going to implement all the things we are complaining about - they seem very proactive and present and they've already announced offline mode (thank goodness) and all the UI/QOL changes too. Unfortunately some of the damage in the community perception has already occurred
Lol I got bored 10 hours in...also why they dident name the portals t1 t2 t3 I will never know now I have to guess... What lvl provisioners is...
Bumpy
Hahaha how had I not noticed this, just edited thanks
It sounds like they didn't do the math. The reason why they only have two servers is because running online infrastructure is EXPENSIVE. And 30 bucks per player won't get them super far. They will eventually have to charge a monthly sub or introduce an offline mode to not burn through their money quickly.
yeah well especially when offline mode is preferably for lots of players anyway
needs more types of enemies.
this is a genuine question because i've seen hrs of Nightingale gameplay and ppl still have stone tools after like 10 hrs
is metalworking even a thing yet?
Bumpy * start
Should be called Nightingfail imo I alpha tested this game and it's a shame as this showed potential early doors. They should of worked it for longer before they went EA and the combat is not the best either.
gotta say, i have to disagree with most of this. i also played since day one, never had an issue with the servers, never had an issue with "no chest crafting" because you literally can craft one and you get an upgrade for one very early as long as you follow the story a tiny bit. the so called "core gameplay loop" is vastly different as you progress, making it more linear than a loop. the freindly AI are great, you just had a bad time with ping. Crafting does pull from storage, that being your recruit does it for you and finishes blueprints. forced sorting can be turned off with the big button in the inventory. all profiles are highly customizable to make them look good.
Think you need to rewatch the video.
The 'no chest crafting' means no crafting from chests. I'm 20 hours in and unlocked Gloom, there is no smart chests that I am aware of.
Friendly AI are trash. They are useful distraction and pack mule, and that's it in my experience.
The video already stated the buildings and blueprints were done well, and that the actual crafting might have benefited from emulating it.
Forced sorting cannot be turned off. There is a button to cycle between 7 different methods of sorting, but not Off.
I will also add that I think the characters look fine. They suit the art style.
And that there is no smart stacking. Having played a ton of Palworld and Enshrouded recently, the no smart stacking killed me as much as the no smart chests.
I do think the game is fun but the early game is too slow imo. The combat is surprisingly satisfying with how simple it is, but I haven't had any server issues so I can only imagine how unplayable it is otherwise.
@@nacaicon1593AI partner when equipped with an axe or pick will do mining and or wood chopping and gather what they mine&chop, filling the partner up with building materials will infact let them auto craft buildings and crafting stations…
@@Kradily I repeat myself, but the building and blueprints are fine, great even.
The actual crafting (AT the many amd various crafting stations) is tedious and technical and does not draw from any storage except your personal inventory.
As for the AI auto mining/logging, the number of trees my minion has dropped on my head *while I am in combat* hit the double digits last night.
Are people forgetting that this is an early access game? You realize they will bring a lot of features we are asking in the future. I mean they are already about to add an offline mode. People acting like this is a triple A full release baffles me.
Obviously. People just want to know if it's worth their time in its current state. It's not rocket science.
Yeah and also I think it's hard not to consider it's competition recently with similar games from much smaller studios that have done many of the things people are complaining about.
Tbf it is early access. The entire point of early access is "play our game but it isn't finished". The issue is when all these problems happen on a full release game.
The majority of hate stems from the fact the game requires you to play on a server regardless if you're playing singleplayer or not. And I doubt they'll change that tbh, the bugs I encountered were understandable
Nah, the point of early access is that they want to sell you an unfinished game and then maybe only finish it if it's successful. They're still going all out with marketing and sponsoring streamers to play their game. Why would they do that for an unfinished product? Surely a passionate studio that cares about their game would save their marketing money for once the game is finished, and not fizzle out player interest during the first version of early access? It's just yet another overpromised survival game that will stay unfinished and eventually shut down its servers.
@@SideFlame but that just doesn't work. I completely understand your point if you were talking about a huge developer for a AAA game. But the reality is the exponential cost of improving on a game is probably where most of the cost is sunk. Another point is the early access feature does exist. And I know there's some cynical developers out there but if you think about it, it's a win win. The developers don't have to payroll 20 people for an extra 2 years making something no one wants for an extra $500k versus release an unfinished THAT IS STATED AS NOT BEING FINISHED by the way, and then also CHEAPER than a full release (usually half the price) and if it has issues fix them accordingly and in the right direction.
But sure, let's have lots of games that never get released and still have issues if they are released anyway. Or developers spending years of extra time and money on a game which ends up flopping and then they have to shut down.... I get gamers are bitter and think that if they spend $20 they should have a red carpet rolled out for them but the reality is we're all cheap yet demanding. We are awful customers for game developers. It's not like being demanding when you spend $20k on a Rolex watch. We're talking about $20. Just chill out and get over it. It's agonisingly complicated and insanely risky to develop a new game. We are so lucky we get some of these inventive games and if they're not perfect people like you shit on them because it's not perfect in... Wait for it.... EARLY ACCESS!?! Christ alive people....