@@qweschuning leads don’t worry about spikes and you ideally land the sleep anyways which blocks focus punch, especially breloom with the 100% accurate spore.
I checked the teambuilder. there are a few options: - Whirlwind - Protect - Substitute - Toxic ...maybe it could also try: - Poison Powder - Morning Sun/Rest (those defenses aren't doing it any favors) - Giga Drain/Psychic (with 80 Spa) - Sleep Talk - Silver Wind (if you wanna scrape the bottom of the barrel) - Hidden Power (anything)
@@qweschuning Yeah that's why powder wasn't in the first group. Also reminder Morning Sun doesn't work in sandstorm. Whirlwind is the most notable by far because it's something genuinely useful that *Breloom cannot do,* much like Thief and Rain Dance.
It wasnt enough that Butterfree showed up. It wasn't enough that Butterfree actually accomplished something. No, it had the audacity to convince me that it's good! This series might be what finally gets me to try competitive Pokémon. There are a lot of things I like about ADV, so this might be the one I dive into first.
It's honestly the best way to get into comp pokemon as a whole. I started with gen 5 OU which is NOT the way to learn. Gen 3 is the most simplified version of the modern meta there is. ADV OU is the best way to learn the basics of team building. Learning all the specific interactions really gives you a feel for how it all works and there aren't 200 pokemon to account for (out of a 1000 total maybe 1/5th are viable in gen 9. I made up that number too, idk the meta well enough to account for every niche so im guessing) In ADV OU half the mons in OU arent even super common anymore (cloyster, charizard, etc) so really you just have to account for Suicune, celebi, jirachi, blissey, the psuedos legendaries (except dragonite), zapdos, swampert, gengar, aero, skarm, and maybe 3 or 4 others plus certain moves (toxic, focus punch, earthquake, rock slide, the elemental 95bp/100% acc attacks, spikes, rapid spin, will o wisp, hidden power(s)). Seems like a lot reading it but it's really not tbh. Takes a week or two or less to get the hang of. Then from there check out DPPt UU and Ubers. You learn those 3 formats and you can learn any format imo. Source: a garbage pokemon trainer i.e. me
@@jazzercise300 Honestly, the biggest appeal for me with gen 3 is both the simplicity and lack of stealth rock. Stealth rock seems like a massive headache to account for in the team builder. Gen 3 at a glance has a lot of other little things going on that I really like so I think I'd probably stick to that if I do get into it.
@@BigBoneBusiness I heard someone bring up the idea of stealth rock being a version of spikes that only hits flying/levitate mons. Making its damage based on rock resistance was a terrible design choice. Made so many pokemon unviable overnight. Idc as much about it now tbh but gens 4-6 (never played 7) it makes team building a little more lame having to account for tht so much. Same with scald. Knock off is ridiculous now too. Stealth rock the OG bullshit move tho.
i don't even do competitive Pokemon but i watch these like one watches sports. thank you for the tournament highlight vids, they really are so fun to watch
Glad to see Butterfree, my favorite evo line (my favorite pokemon is Caterpie, just so cute) doing a great job! I know it's not the best but it has the tools to be useful if used creatively :D
Looks like my 1600 Butterfree + Pikachu team got some notable uses this tournament. The one move you haven't seen Butters click is Swagger which is 100% with compound eyes and deadly if you caught them on a stun spore. The set I ran had sleep powder, stun spore, swagger, thief, no item, max hp, enough SPE to outrun jolly tar, rest into special def. You're welcome, the grief is real.
you can switch out on the exact turn magneton comes in if you predict it magnet pull doesn't actually prevent you from switching out, it only prevents you from clicking the switch button
I wish Butterfree was recognized as more of a B- or C+ Tier Pokemon in ADV. It's a good Sleep Disruptor who can Double Powder, and it's an okay Baton Pass recipient due to a solid mixed move pool. I will give hella credit to the ADV Revival Krewe for informing me of Thief tech, and I will give hella credit to this video for teaching me the Butterfree/Electrode offensive core (I think Electrode is stuck in Ubers though, cause of Soundproof)
16:34 Blissey was a known mon because the sixth beat up did 1% from dugtrio earlier. I think the blobs are the only competitive mons this can happen with
Just imagine if either of those Butterfree teams had a Rain Abuser in the back... would have gone absolutely fucking insane. Being able to neuter enemy pokemon with Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, and Thief, setting up Rain Dance, and letting Kingdra come in on some sleepy joe to click surf or sub...
Funny Detail: The Beat Up at 14:51 is actually pretty revealing of shyeep's remaining pokemon. In vanilla this would literally reveal the pokemon by nickname for each attack, but this was purposely patched to prevent metagaming around nicknames. Showdown already disallows nicknames that match existing Pokemon to prevent confusion, so this isn't too large a stretch from that. Each hit of Beat Up uses the stats of other members of the party when dealing damage. These damage values are decided by the Base Attack Stat of the Pokemon. These hits do not take into account any of those party pokemon's EVs, IVs, or natures, meaning the deduction can be relatively precise. The 6 different attacks did 16%, 12%, 10%, 10%, 9%, and 1% damage. 1% is a dead giveaway that there's a Blissey. There is nothing in the metagame that comes even close to 10 Base Attack; the next lowest Attack stat from anything relevant is 50. (Alakazam, Regice, Jynx) 16% is an outlier on the opposite end, representing a Pokemon with exceptionally high Attack. This represents one of the pokemon that hits around a Base 130 Attack, relevant suspects including Tyranitar, Metagross, Gyarados, Breloom, Machamp, and of course Salamence. The next highest value at 12% can safely be assigned to Swampert, as it has significantly higher attack than the other two revealed pokemon (110 vs 80, 70). For the remaining three values, even if you are unsure of whether or not the last Pokemon represents a 10% or 9% damage hit, you can safely assume that it would be a pokemon with an Attack stat between around 60 and 85. That range encompasses a whole lot of potential pokemon, but at least rules out just as many possibilities, most notably pokemon you might not think of as physical attackers like Zapdos (90), Moltres (100), Cloyster (95), or Jirachi/Celebi (100). If you do assume correctly that the 9% roll is from the unrevealed Pokemon, and thus consider that the last pokemon must have below 70 Base Attack, that gives even more information. You can be certain that last isn't Suicune, Starmie, Charizard, Skarmory, and several other relevant threats, only leaving a few options left. Gengar is normally a certainty in this position, but on a team with Calm Mind + Baton Pass, a last like Vaporeon, Jolteon, or Espeon wouldn't be too surprising a last.
New ADV offensive core, Butterfree/Electrode. Pikachu and Poliwrath enjoyers in shambles, Tyranitar fears for the loss of his throne, Zapdos "welcoming a challenge from a fellow electric type", Suicune interviewed and "worries for their position". No, really, you've gotta respect a sleep powder/ rain dance butterfree into thunder electrode. Hell, Electrode even counters Aerodactyl (with a bunch of SpA investment, at least, it can 1hko with Thunderbolt) and can pretty much paralyze any sweeper since it's faster. Not to mention that it has the fastest boom in OU, too. Thief Butterfree... I don't get ? Sure you weaken that aero noticeably but so is your butterfree.
I noticed you pretty much reveal you have a Blissey in the back if one of your Beat Up strikes does insanely low damage like that one 1% roll from Shyeep's Dugtrio. Interesting
Yo @jimothygaming did you ask the CI commentators if they want to narrate some games? I always enjoy Dekzeh when he's on. Also the GOAT Hclat may be down to commentate a game? He did so for callous at least
Facade isn't proc'd by Sleep in any generation, not just 3, and the kind of set that Snorlax had is a common misconception even in modern gens. It's not because Sleep is volatile - it isn't - Facade just isn't compatible with it. I guess it sort of makes sense from a lore perspective because unlike the statuses that trigger it, Sleep isn't directly 'painful' to the Pokemon. However, Facade isn't compatible with Freeze either, which seems a bit more questionable, unless it is considered to be like a cryogenic sleep...
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Butterfree in the lead slot. This is insane.
Probably a good position, since it's faster than most leads, with the exception of Aerodactyl
@@gustavofelipesabrito7365 I feel Jolteon and Zapdos are pretty common leads though
Sleep lead, though Jynx and Breloom are better at being sleep leads tbh.
@@deeznoots6241 they hate spikes though, and don't enjoy yolo focus punches
@@qweschuning leads don’t worry about spikes and you ideally land the sleep anyways which blocks focus punch, especially breloom with the 100% accurate spore.
Electrode rolled so regieleki could skip and hop. Love to see it.
13:52 "we've seen every viable move Butterfree can click" I am in tears 😭😭☠️😭
I checked the teambuilder. there are a few options:
- Whirlwind
- Protect
- Substitute
- Toxic
...maybe it could also try:
- Poison Powder
- Morning Sun/Rest (those defenses aren't doing it any favors)
- Giga Drain/Psychic (with 80 Spa)
- Sleep Talk
- Silver Wind (if you wanna scrape the bottom of the barrel)
- Hidden Power (anything)
@@natnew32 dk know if I want powder over toxic
@@natnew32 but morning sun w those resistances and spikes immunity hoho!
@@natnew32 I'd be on board w a Omni boost if either of butterfrees stabs were special, but alas.
@@qweschuning Yeah that's why powder wasn't in the first group.
Also reminder Morning Sun doesn't work in sandstorm.
Whirlwind is the most notable by far because it's something genuinely useful that *Breloom cannot do,* much like Thief and Rain Dance.
I fear not the man who played TSS 1000 times, but the man who is smart enough to make Butterfree look viable
Glad we got to see Raikou put in a lot of work this video
11:00 just imagine the band butterfree stab HP bug to one shot Celebi though
Silver Wind into omniboost
knowing this game even with a quiver dance boost butterfree prob couldnt kill
@@MrShadowThiefoh shit 1 min ago thats even better idea
That sounds beautiful until I remember that Banded Dug sometimes cant OHKO a Celebi with Banded HP Bug
@@heatran1919you gotta factor in bug stab
It wasnt enough that Butterfree showed up. It wasn't enough that Butterfree actually accomplished something. No, it had the audacity to convince me that it's good! This series might be what finally gets me to try competitive Pokémon. There are a lot of things I like about ADV, so this might be the one I dive into first.
It's honestly the best way to get into comp pokemon as a whole. I started with gen 5 OU which is NOT the way to learn. Gen 3 is the most simplified version of the modern meta there is. ADV OU is the best way to learn the basics of team building. Learning all the specific interactions really gives you a feel for how it all works and there aren't 200 pokemon to account for (out of a 1000 total maybe 1/5th are viable in gen 9. I made up that number too, idk the meta well enough to account for every niche so im guessing)
In ADV OU half the mons in OU arent even super common anymore (cloyster, charizard, etc) so really you just have to account for Suicune, celebi, jirachi, blissey, the psuedos legendaries (except dragonite), zapdos, swampert, gengar, aero, skarm, and maybe 3 or 4 others plus certain moves (toxic, focus punch, earthquake, rock slide, the elemental 95bp/100% acc attacks, spikes, rapid spin, will o wisp, hidden power(s)). Seems like a lot reading it but it's really not tbh. Takes a week or two or less to get the hang of. Then from there check out DPPt UU and Ubers. You learn those 3 formats and you can learn any format imo.
Source: a garbage pokemon trainer i.e. me
@@jazzercise300 Honestly, the biggest appeal for me with gen 3 is both the simplicity and lack of stealth rock. Stealth rock seems like a massive headache to account for in the team builder. Gen 3 at a glance has a lot of other little things going on that I really like so I think I'd probably stick to that if I do get into it.
@@BigBoneBusiness I heard someone bring up the idea of stealth rock being a version of spikes that only hits flying/levitate mons. Making its damage based on rock resistance was a terrible design choice. Made so many pokemon unviable overnight. Idc as much about it now tbh but gens 4-6 (never played 7) it makes team building a little more lame having to account for tht so much. Same with scald. Knock off is ridiculous now too. Stealth rock the OG bullshit move tho.
@@jazzercise300Rocks is singlehandedly what pushed me into playing ADV. I think it's ridiculous how much that single move warps pokemon viability.
14:50 that 1% beat up had to be either blissey or magikarp so that wasn't very surprising 😅
Beat up continuing it's tradition of revealing teams
Thank you Jimothy. Thank you Xtina. Butterfree released from Ubers along with Poliwrath. This is insane
Butterfree, Electrode, beautiful pivoting to niche pick Raikou, and the introduction of Great Nose. What a tournament. This is insane.
Butterfree really did it.
We do actually need great nose
Lead butterfree+rain was insane.
i don't even do competitive Pokemon but i watch these like one watches sports. thank you for the tournament highlight vids, they really are so fun to watch
These gen 3 guys are nuts. Gonna see the whole pokedex in this tournament at this rate.
Butterfree has finally done something, I'm so proud of it. Compund Eyes was just what Butterfree needed
Butterfree going insaine. Butterfree is fucking awesome.
Great Nose might force a sleep ban in Tradebacks RU
Glad to see Butterfree, my favorite evo line (my favorite pokemon is Caterpie, just so cute) doing a great job! I know it's not the best but it has the tools to be useful if used creatively :D
Love the Red vs Blue nicknames from Guunsk Prribus!
Never seen so much work put in by an upside down pokeball,a seasonal insect and a hypnotist with a great nose
my dog, rex, was intently watching tyranitar on my tv. i think hes taking notes
Pretty based. Those butterfree sets are hilarious
Great Nose made me scream lol
Let’s Go! Butterfree in lead!
Damn, I got into 2 vids in a row, Big Chungus wins again
Loving the Red vs. Blue names
The classic butterfree electrode
"I assume some funny stuff is about to happen." Butterfree comes in.
you two are very good casters together
Some spicy mon choices on those teams. Refreshing.
Man, those were all some really good games
Truly remarkable plays taking place in this tournament.
Butterfree x electrode team was amazing
I like the funny guy, but you two are just 10/10 knowledgeable.
I love this tournament so much. This is insane
this is insane
great nose! 👃
That was insane skill from gunks
What’s the name of song from the beginning of the second curated battle? My life may or may not depend on this.
GREAT NOSE!!!
Shiny Electrode should be named Billy. Sorry Tucker...
Butterfree gaming
Wow, Shyeep really has a great nose for niche strategies.
Not the RvB names 😂
great highlights!
This is insane. This is madness.
Excuse my ignorance, but what ADV Revival is exactly?
its a tournament that Jim is running, ADV because that is the format and Revival cuz the goal is to bring new players into the scene
Thank you, mate!
0:09 indeed it did happen
Gonna start a butterfree/Poliwrath meta after this league
Great nose do be sniffing around!
the meta is evolving this is insane
If you see gen3 bro, it's screams after fire blast. This thing with slack off in gen3 ou would be really nice.
Good to see that Bouff has a Thorns sprite
Looks like my 1600 Butterfree + Pikachu team got some notable uses this tournament.
The one move you haven't seen Butters click is Swagger which is 100% with compound eyes and deadly if you caught them on a stun spore.
The set I ran had sleep powder, stun spore, swagger, thief, no item, max hp, enough SPE to outrun jolly tar, rest into special def. You're welcome, the grief is real.
Am I missing something, does the Mag not have Magnet Pull? 3:49
you can switch out on the exact turn magneton comes in if you predict it
magnet pull doesn't actually prevent you from switching out, it only prevents you from clicking the switch button
@@gold626 based thanks!
Blissey could have been expected from the 1% Beat Up hit.
Ayo wtf I played against the RVB Butterfree team on low ladder!
This is insane.
I slap my ludicolo in the lead slot with mystic water rain dance and it pushes P so hard
Hypno in Gen 3 is so cool
Tbf a new hypno paldean form would be great
Who is saying bye bye now?
Hypno is forgoten for the same reason jynx is lol
SkillFree the utility GOAT?
The more I watch/play gen 3 ou, the more I think HP being a physical or special attack should be based on the user's higher offensive stat
Thanks for ruining mixed attackers
Too bad beedrill cant be that good
The classic Butterfree Electrode core
I've now seen more successful Butterfrees than Blazikens
Never thought you could burn a fire type, but here we are.
this cannot be happening. a dairy product with no shackles cannot possibly be good.
Gotta love free range arthropods. Salted or unsalted?
I Can't Believe It's Not Dead Yet
Quiver dance should be in gen 3 because it would be funny
The only good argument for including moves in games tbh
Still wouldn't save butterfree because both of his stab are physical. 😅
It doesn't need to save Butterfree.
It'd make Masquerain a threat.
@@a-s-greig same argument, both stab are still physical 😅
@@farzalou2154kid named baton pass (does it even get it I assume it does)
It turns out Breloom doesn't learn Rain Dance or Thief, so those Butterfree choices were justified.
I saw my fav pokemon butterfree in the thumbnail when i was 7 on tv so i immediately clicked and liked
Butterfree getting work done is incredible, love to see it
First game is insane. So much momentum dismantling the team right from the outset. Never even saw the sixth pokemon.
Y'know, Butterfree was an E4 mon in my FireRed nuzlocke. Maybe lead Butterfree makes sense!
I wish Butterfree was recognized as more of a B- or C+ Tier Pokemon in ADV. It's a good Sleep Disruptor who can Double Powder, and it's an okay Baton Pass recipient due to a solid mixed move pool.
I will give hella credit to the ADV Revival Krewe for informing me of Thief tech, and I will give hella credit to this video for teaching me the Butterfree/Electrode offensive core (I think Electrode is stuck in Ubers though, cause of Soundproof)
I believe Electrode already had access to Static.
Oops, all Rain Dance!
16:34 Blissey was a known mon because the sixth beat up did 1% from dugtrio earlier. I think the blobs are the only competitive mons this can happen with
Just imagine if either of those Butterfree teams had a Rain Abuser in the back... would have gone absolutely fucking insane. Being able to neuter enemy pokemon with Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, and Thief, setting up Rain Dance, and letting Kingdra come in on some sleepy joe to click surf or sub...
As the pilot of the first butterfree team, I can confirm that I did have a kingdra in the back, just didnt need to bring it out
People mashing on their d-pads was not lost on me, good one :)
I would be so tilted if I was trunks game one lol. This series has had people running the weirdest teams/sets on ladder lol.
Funny Detail: The Beat Up at 14:51 is actually pretty revealing of shyeep's remaining pokemon. In vanilla this would literally reveal the pokemon by nickname for each attack, but this was purposely patched to prevent metagaming around nicknames. Showdown already disallows nicknames that match existing Pokemon to prevent confusion, so this isn't too large a stretch from that.
Each hit of Beat Up uses the stats of other members of the party when dealing damage. These damage values are decided by the Base Attack Stat of the Pokemon.
These hits do not take into account any of those party pokemon's EVs, IVs, or natures, meaning the deduction can be relatively precise.
The 6 different attacks did 16%, 12%, 10%, 10%, 9%, and 1% damage.
1% is a dead giveaway that there's a Blissey. There is nothing in the metagame that comes even close to 10 Base Attack; the next lowest Attack stat from anything relevant is 50. (Alakazam, Regice, Jynx)
16% is an outlier on the opposite end, representing a Pokemon with exceptionally high Attack. This represents one of the pokemon that hits around a Base 130 Attack, relevant suspects including Tyranitar, Metagross, Gyarados, Breloom, Machamp, and of course Salamence. The next highest value at 12% can safely be assigned to Swampert, as it has significantly higher attack than the other two revealed pokemon (110 vs 80, 70).
For the remaining three values, even if you are unsure of whether or not the last Pokemon represents a 10% or 9% damage hit, you can safely assume that it would be a pokemon with an Attack stat between around 60 and 85. That range encompasses a whole lot of potential pokemon, but at least rules out just as many possibilities, most notably pokemon you might not think of as physical attackers like Zapdos (90), Moltres (100), Cloyster (95), or Jirachi/Celebi (100).
If you do assume correctly that the 9% roll is from the unrevealed Pokemon, and thus consider that the last pokemon must have below 70 Base Attack, that gives even more information. You can be certain that last isn't Suicune, Starmie, Charizard, Skarmory, and several other relevant threats, only leaving a few options left. Gengar is normally a certainty in this position, but on a team with Calm Mind + Baton Pass, a last like Vaporeon, Jolteon, or Espeon wouldn't be too surprising a last.
THE LEAD HYPNO
Ain't no way butterfree performed decently. Comp pokemon is awesome
these vids show why gen 3 is so good
This shit goes bonkers brother man
New ADV offensive core, Butterfree/Electrode. Pikachu and Poliwrath enjoyers in shambles, Tyranitar fears for the loss of his throne, Zapdos "welcoming a challenge from a fellow electric type", Suicune interviewed and "worries for their position".
No, really, you've gotta respect a sleep powder/ rain dance butterfree into thunder electrode. Hell, Electrode even counters Aerodactyl (with a bunch of SpA investment, at least, it can 1hko with Thunderbolt) and can pretty much paralyze any sweeper since it's faster. Not to mention that it has the fastest boom in OU, too.
Thief Butterfree... I don't get ? Sure you weaken that aero noticeably but so is your butterfree.
I think the idea is to steal leftovers, but I could be wrong.
IT'S ABOUT TIME BOYS SOME GOOD O'L BUTTERFREE GAMING WOOOOOOOOOO
Red VS Blue themed team putting in WORK
I noticed you pretty much reveal you have a Blissey in the back if one of your Beat Up strikes does insanely low damage like that one 1% roll from Shyeep's Dugtrio. Interesting
So glad to see a channel for xtina i subbed so fast!!!
Yo @jimothygaming did you ask the CI commentators if they want to narrate some games?
I always enjoy Dekzeh when he's on. Also the GOAT Hclat may be down to commentate a game? He did so for callous at least
Facade isn't proc'd by Sleep in any generation, not just 3, and the kind of set that Snorlax had is a common misconception even in modern gens. It's not because Sleep is volatile - it isn't - Facade just isn't compatible with it.
I guess it sort of makes sense from a lore perspective because unlike the statuses that trigger it, Sleep isn't directly 'painful' to the Pokemon. However, Facade isn't compatible with Freeze either, which seems a bit more questionable, unless it is considered to be like a cryogenic sleep...
insane commentary and co-commentary
I wonder the music in the background?
Don’t see anything butterfree does that jumpluff can’t do better?
Butterfree's dual spore and compound eyes has really saved my fire red nuzlocke runs at times.
IK IM 9 MONTHS LATE BUT DIMENSION 20 AND RED VS BLUE NAMES SPOTTED