I wish moxie gyara existed in earlier gens where it would’ve been legitimately good instead of gen 5 when it was left in the absolute dust power creep wise.
Gen 2 and 3 Gyarados was just a hair short of the power it needed to work in the way its designed. Even if it had Physical Waterfall that would have helped a lot in Gen 3.
@@tylerd1297 Physical waterfall would be huge. I couldn't help but laugh at the part where BKC talks about how gyra sometimes slots in HP rock to hit aero. A WATER type slotting in ROCK coverage to hit a ROCK type. That in a vacuum is so funny to me in a sad way 😂😂😅😢
I've been playing a ton of ADV recently with the goal of using EVERYTHING that has some sort of relevancy or available set on the tier list from Arcanine to Banette to Cradily to Zangoose, and out of everything that has always been ranked OU, Gyarados has become in my opinion The Worst. I know BKC dislikes Snorlax these days, but I think Utility Snorlax still has a pretty solid little niche for supporting offense teams, and while CurseLax is a bad sweeper, it's a workable one. Gyarados, meanwhile, was such a letdown to use that I have it ranked in D tier below AZUMARILL, with my C tier meanwhile full of UU/BL Pokemon like Raikou & Camerupt. It's just so weak, and so restrictive on teambuilding with its typing and set. Once in a while it's a threat, both for you and for an opponent, but it's on the level where things like Entei or Rhydon also have equivalent occasions of being useful.
I agree with everything you said. I honestly think even rhydon is more satisfying. U have the same defensive role a bulky metagross but u get owned by waters and hp grass. Terrible ik but nothings better than mega horning a claydol that thinks its safe or just subbing on a switch to a ground immune when u have stab slide. gyara is just great into metagross and swampert but at that point u might as well use milotic i feel
I've actually been playing the game now, gen 3 OU ladder with mixed offense teams. Let alone Heracross the whole archetype seems to be somewhat inconsistent. Still, pink salac hera sweeps are so satisfying when they happen.
@@yourdagan Yhea I remember a video about that somewhere, but it's a nice learning experience anyway, instead of building tss without knowing what im doing, I go bulkier over time when I realize starmie destroys me haha.
Heracross's biggest issue is speed, which is nullified by Baton Pass'ing Agility to it. With lead Zapdos with Substitute, and Marowak as a partner, its unique coverage and defensive utility allows it the potential to sweep or clean up teams within a dozen or so turns, when you're running Swords Dance 3 Attacks, particularly with Guts. That has always been the way I've had the most success with Heracross and why I've come back to it recently after not having used it for a very very long time. I also tried pairing Gyarados and Heracross back then on a non-Baton Pass team, but as you know, with Offense, unless you have Blissey, you struggle for reliable switch-ins, which somewhat forces you to use Snorlax, with its particular limitations. I found that that sort of team in this generation doesn't have as much capability to pull off a run away sweep as soon as a mon gets in, nor even just blow a hole in the opposition they won't be recovering from---so what's the point of that kind of offense in gen3ou? I've yet to find the definitive team for this couple that is unmistakeably offense. I am a big Gyarados believer because of its non-weakness to Ice Beam, capacity to shut down Skarmory, and ability to sweep teams, but I still rarely find opportunities to fit it over Salamence because the latter's speed and access to Rock Slide allows it to threaten things Adamant HP Flying Gyarados cannot. With no reliable way to my knowledge of removing the likes of Zapdos and Aerodactyl, I could not design a team that got the most out of this Gyarados set without being boring balance. I have tried Gyarados with Rest on Superman because of its defensive profile and offensive threat, and I think it has a lot of potential there, since you can cover its weaknesses with Flygon, Blissey, and even your own Zapdos without ceding too much momentum.
I love seeing hera in ADV bro just switches in and either smokes someone’s pack or misses megahorn and fucking dies
sometimes I feel like a ground resist in a metagame full of ground immunities
Hes just like me fr...
You really should try to be more grounded, it's good for you and it'll help you find your true self
poetry.
sometimes I am ground
#justcelebithings
That introduction explains well why those metagames are so stable and fun to me.
>getting ready my moltres team for the next week of hera spam in adv ou
Pinkacross is easily my favorite Mon in ADV. Bro is the goat.
These last few days have truly been a much needed renaissance of content, I have a nice 4 hour playlist to ladder gen4 Ubers to
“Ban manaphy” had one of the unluckiest games I’ve seen. That game two was brutal 😅
bkc you've been popping off lately with the content just want to say thanks for all the entertainment over the years... you are the true pokemon goat.
i can confirm, im that guy who makes meme teams that get eviscerated by heracross
BKC upload schedule hotter than his sun spam
Nails mentioned! As the president of the Nick Navarre fan club, I'm very happy.
Amazing podcast to listen to while working out! Thanks BKC!
So much BKC content lately!
Keep up the awesome vids.
I swear I saw meteor mash miss 20 times in this one video
Why do i watch half an hpur videos about a game i dont play lmao
I wish moxie gyara existed in earlier gens where it would’ve been legitimately good instead of gen 5 when it was left in the absolute dust power creep wise.
Gen 2 and 3 Gyarados was just a hair short of the power it needed to work in the way its designed. Even if it had Physical Waterfall that would have helped a lot in Gen 3.
@@tylerd1297 Physical waterfall would be huge. I couldn't help but laugh at the part where BKC talks about how gyra sometimes slots in HP rock to hit aero. A WATER type slotting in ROCK coverage to hit a ROCK type. That in a vacuum is so funny to me in a sad way 😂😂😅😢
Honestly with how good Intimidate it, it's still a hard sell for most gens.
the unique role of heracross is pissing me the fuck off
16:40 I know it’s a smeargle but I still can’t believe there’s a stab explosion out there incapable of killing a substitute
Nice 4am video for the airport
Hera Gyara Power Hour
I use Heracross as lead, no need to switch in 😅
That intro game didn't have a single Tyranitar
how
That ice beam crit on celebi caused me physical pain
Happy to be so early!
I've been playing a ton of ADV recently with the goal of using EVERYTHING that has some sort of relevancy or available set on the tier list from Arcanine to Banette to Cradily to Zangoose, and out of everything that has always been ranked OU, Gyarados has become in my opinion The Worst. I know BKC dislikes Snorlax these days, but I think Utility Snorlax still has a pretty solid little niche for supporting offense teams, and while CurseLax is a bad sweeper, it's a workable one. Gyarados, meanwhile, was such a letdown to use that I have it ranked in D tier below AZUMARILL, with my C tier meanwhile full of UU/BL Pokemon like Raikou & Camerupt. It's just so weak, and so restrictive on teambuilding with its typing and set. Once in a while it's a threat, both for you and for an opponent, but it's on the level where things like Entei or Rhydon also have equivalent occasions of being useful.
I agree with everything you said. I honestly think even rhydon is more satisfying. U have the same defensive role a bulky metagross but u get owned by waters and hp grass. Terrible ik but nothings better than mega horning a claydol that thinks its safe or just subbing on a switch to a ground immune when u have stab slide. gyara is just great into metagross and swampert but at that point u might as well use milotic i feel
Ok but Can we talk abt crit moltres flamethrower doing 58% to lax?
I've actually been playing the game now, gen 3 OU ladder with mixed offense teams. Let alone Heracross the whole archetype seems to be somewhat inconsistent. Still, pink salac hera sweeps are so satisfying when they happen.
He has a video about that.
@@yourdagan Yhea I remember a video about that somewhere, but it's a nice learning experience anyway, instead of building tss without knowing what im doing, I go bulkier over time when I realize starmie destroys me haha.
DDTaunt gyara rocks.
Hera i disapprove of, since wins way to often depend on hitting megahorn (which I never do and my opponents always do of cause)
i kinda had thoughts on rest gyara
When the burned P2 traces Guts, and it made no difference, how disappointing lol
Special Gyara with Twave is SO much better.
Or maybe not if better, more reliable in getting its job done.
What is its job then? I think it works because people won't expect it, but I'd prefer other bulky waters for that role
@@olivergro7105 thunder wave ice beam hp fighting rest. Threatens lax and blissey a bit more and is spikes immune and has intimidate.
Who was the first player vs dekzeh?
and do you think really bulky medicham with recover has any use
isnt herra banned in japan gen 3 ou?
it is! I'd love to know more about how that came to be
interesting video that really needs a script, editing and better pacing
Play gen 9 OU
anyone else feel like the game is unplayable right now?
I mean, I don't play it. Commentary is fun tho.
nails mention
What if Zacian-Crowned was in adv OU?
no fairy type, BL at best
@@DJFracuslol it's still a 210base attack Mon, don't forget about that. Even offensive grass would rip everything apart with 210 attack basestat
@@olivergro7105 it's a meme
We'd get an ADV AG tier.
could you get a better mic bro its 2023
if my movie gets funded you have my word I will buy the highest quality microphone I can get my hands on
Heracross's biggest issue is speed, which is nullified by Baton Pass'ing Agility to it. With lead Zapdos with Substitute, and Marowak as a partner, its unique coverage and defensive utility allows it the potential to sweep or clean up teams within a dozen or so turns, when you're running Swords Dance 3 Attacks, particularly with Guts.
That has always been the way I've had the most success with Heracross and why I've come back to it recently after not having used it for a very very long time.
I also tried pairing Gyarados and Heracross back then on a non-Baton Pass team, but as you know, with Offense, unless you have Blissey, you struggle for reliable switch-ins, which somewhat forces you to use Snorlax, with its particular limitations. I found that that sort of team in this generation doesn't have as much capability to pull off a run away sweep as soon as a mon gets in, nor even just blow a hole in the opposition they won't be recovering from---so what's the point of that kind of offense in gen3ou? I've yet to find the definitive team for this couple that is unmistakeably offense.
I am a big Gyarados believer because of its non-weakness to Ice Beam, capacity to shut down Skarmory, and ability to sweep teams, but I still rarely find opportunities to fit it over Salamence because the latter's speed and access to Rock Slide allows it to threaten things Adamant HP Flying Gyarados cannot. With no reliable way to my knowledge of removing the likes of Zapdos and Aerodactyl, I could not design a team that got the most out of this Gyarados set without being boring balance.
I have tried Gyarados with Rest on Superman because of its defensive profile and offensive threat, and I think it has a lot of potential there, since you can cover its weaknesses with Flygon, Blissey, and even your own Zapdos without ceding too much momentum.