Hey guys this was just more of a fun little video and my personal opinion about the entire thing but I just wanted the community to gather and all share there thoughts and interact and oh boy I wasn’t expecting the massive responses I really do appreciate every single one of you for this it means a lot can’t wait to crack out my better videos I have stocked up and till summer games fest everyone better be there! LOVE YALL❤edit: sorry about my volume in the second half guys it was because sora’s theme was way to loud and I had to amp my vocals in order for it to sound better didn’t wanna blow your guys ears out so my bad on my part!
That makes sense but I do think in my opinion he has above average moments in specific instances where they are outshined due to everyone always making fun of it
I've only played 1 and 2, so I don't know if something disproves this later, but based on the fact that he's so dumb specifically with computers, I'd guess there weren't computers on his home world. He gets flung to a new world and accepts magic once he sees it, without getting bogged down in the how or why it works. It makes sense that he'd just assume computers were a type of magic and ask no further questions.
@@Ithyldr basically he hacks in tron which is an AI that is so complex it literally turns human and he reprograms him in ddd and in kh2 he also programs and not only that he is the one who is in control of the gummi ship flying to every other universe they go to. no person on our planet alone knows how to do this and even if we've been to neighbor planets with robots we just aren't capable enough to fly ourselves there instead we let technology do it also sora actually builds gummi ships as well meaning he knows how to craft an entire ship and fly it to different universes this is more under coating but this is actually true
Sora isn't always so super quick to pick up on Every Single Plot Detail immediately. Because he's a normal person. But he's EXTREMELY intelligent *Emotionally*. He's incredibly adept at reading other people's Hearts, their Emotions, their Inner Feelings. And that's the most important thing. Emotional intelligence is an incredible power to wield and there's noone better to wield it than him.
People associate kindness and happiness with immaturity, naivety, and stupidity. It’s a really sucky stereotype. Personally I don’t think Sora does anything out of a lack of intelligence, everything he does is guided by his beliefs and determination. Does it seem stupid to rush into danger? Sure, but Sora would do any tactically stupid thing if it meant helping others, he just trusts he’ll figure it out and find a way for everything to work out. Bonus: Terra isn’t stupid either, he grew up extremely sheltered and didn’t have Disney movies to teach him how to assume old or unattractive people are evil. We know Xehanort is evil because media taught us tropes, but Terra has no reason to assume ill intent from his master’s best friend
The fact that he's so naive is honestly the most adorable thing about him. I remember being his age and wishing I was the same way because it honestly endeared him to me. At his age, I was so jaded but playing the game helped me to know I didn't need to know everything and people would be willing to help me. I could rely on others for things I don't know or cant do. Reading other people's comments I can see Im one of the few that actually really liked how he behaved in DDD :') but he was too cute. I think I just generally really enjoy the soft boy aspect of him because typical shonen main character personality is just so overdone.
He’s not typical shonen they have aspects of course but he’s a lot smarter than most of them. Him having the innocences and not understanding in the first game till 3 finding out about everything and the maturity of all the universes at stake he really had understood the meanings behind timelines and other multiverses and even broke Xehanorts plan rewriting around it literally in every single out come Sora definitely has his big moments but due to factors of wanting to be very relatable put him in the silly ones sometimes and that’s completely okay
I think it's also so important to remember.... Sora is an islander, where there wasn't much tech... ofc he's not going to understand phones or computers - he probably never, or very rarely, even saw them on Destiny Island
Yeah but it’s also important to remember sora knows how to literally hack due to tron both times and even where re programmed a real AI that was able to Traverse the real world and have his own thoughts becoming literally human to a major degree
@@dakotadoyle7573 you can use an ability in a very smart way and other abilities that don’t have told aspects and think of how to do it. Also if this isn’t the case anyways sora knows how to literally pilot a gummi ship across universes flawlessly without question something humans can’t even do inside of today’s standard to a literal planet away. Edit just to make this clear a lot of people think kingdom hearts is one composite universe for the game itself not the power. But yeah they use in Japanese translation as SEKAI and this means the universes and also Eraqus needed to unlock the lanes between and they all state in every game there is invisible boarders to universes they speak of when they try to travel world to world once they spoke about it to Leon and gang in kh 1 hallow bastion when they would be separated which is why sora was gonna use the gummi ship but couldn’t so he just said he would use the keyblade to traverse while piloting the gummi ship “unlocking the lanes” just like how they show in kh3 when he travels to Olympus
@@Final_RPG but remember, there are points where the Keyblade does things without the owners permission or the user even know what was going on, the Keyblade closed the Wonderland keyhole with Sora not even know what was going on and Riku's Dream Drop Distance campaign was because his Keyblade put Riku in Sora's dreams while both were unconscious
@@dakotadoyle7573 sora even said himself I think I know how we can save him prior in situations such as these and even after hand sora also says when opening the lanes he’s got it as an idea. The power of the keyblade is sentient but for instances where he uses it in kh1 is cause he didn’t know how to use it before and ddd he was literally unconscious. So that’s not a very good way to point it out as labeling sora’s intelligence only around the keyblade itself
Sora may not be all that book smars, but he'sbrilliant when it comes to people. He likes meeting new people and making friends wherever he goes. He understands the the heart better that most. That's why I relate to him so much. I just barey graduated, but I can make friends wherever I go. I like people. I can look at them, understand their mood, and talk in a helpful and friendly way. Just like Sora.
Which is why I say he is a very relatable character and that’s why I love that he has a very high class of understanding specific things it’s a great way to be related to real of life of the sad moments and the great moments that happen within the series between friendship. We may fight we may go through things but we’re always friends and that’s a great part of the series
One thing I think you left out is that Sora isn't dumb. He's ignorant. Those are two separate things. He's more than willing to learn what's out there in KH1, he knows right from wrong and he by-and-large is a good judge of character. He sees the good before the bad and is selfless. One thing you mentioned but didn't expand on is that he's a 14 year old boy whose entire world is destroyed, but you left it there. He's also a 14 year old boy who ends up with Donald and Goofy, powerful friends and allies but equally disconnected to the world and its developments for a variety of reasons. They were left out of the loop by Mickey when it came to keyblades and how they work by Mickey and are equally inept with technology as Sora is. Donald and Goofy had no idea what the gummiphone was or what it ringing meant. Then there's the fact that the three of them also spent a year in limbo while asleep while everyone else were able to grow and adapt. Kairi was even going to school, as seen by her and Selphie in school uniforms in KH2 during the Roxas prologue. Sora stopped going to school some time before KH1 because he and his friends were going to the island every day so they probably were in summer vacation, meaning Sora likely has up to a 7th or 8th grade education at best, and if he didn't take any computer classes then his exposure to computers would be limited to what we see in the games. He and Goofy both type with the one finger-method after all. Their initial experience with the gummi-phone is like someone growing up with a flip phone or a cordless landline suddenly being given a smartphone. Sure, you'll get the hang of it eventually but you won't know what you are working with at the start. Everyone else had that year they were sleeping to see new technologies and adapt. Sora, Donald and Goofy basically fought Ansem, took a nap and woke up a year later and went back to fighting, largely in worlds without much technology but the keyblade reading Sora's intent in Tron's world and helping cover the gaps, went home for maybe a few weeks to maybe a couple of months before being called back in for the Mark of Mastery and immediately starting his KH3 journey almost immediately afterwards. Sora just hasn't had the time or environment to learn everything he's fallen behind on, nor to cover the gaps of his education from being out of school for so long.
I think he was ignorant up till dream drop distance he was to confident within kh2 moving forward I think KH3 he finally understood where he stands with everything
I feel like the whole sora can’t count is more of charismatic joke rather then being truly legitimate you’re talking about the 14/15 yr old kid who flys the gummi ship to different universes 👀
Saying Sora's "dumb" is just an indicator for how superficial you are. Sora does have character growth, his is just more layered and, like the series, you'd have to dig for it, find and appreciate its nuance for what it is. If you're ready and willing to follow KH's convoluted storylines, you shouldn't have a problem with understanding and accepting Sora's disposition and how he's likely to not do things the way you would because that's just how he rolls. My dude has rizz AF if he can befriend nearly anyone he interacts with and have them fight for him.
I feel for the people who say that he is dumb really is an indicator people didn’t play these games or only played a handful of them I Agree with you fam! Preach
@@Final_RPG playing devil's advocate, i understand their want for a more "reasonable" character given Ventus's down-to-earth and Roxas's edginess but Sora is Sora. All he needs is a growth spurt and some goddamn gainz 💪🏻 (he's way too skinny for the HERCULEAN strength he regularly and effortlessly shows)
@@Giggles_iJest playing devils advocate? Me I’m not, the video is me saying how I think it’s wrong that people think sora is dumb. I’m quoting off of those guys. And seriously you right tho loll
@@Final_RPG I'm saying *I'm* playing devil's advocate. As in, I'm practically saying "to be fair" cause i sort of understand where they're coming from when they say that Sora's dumb but at the same time wholeheartedly disagree cause they're just lazy af only seeing it at surface level 🥴
Which is why he went on a path to learn just like ansem said in kh1 you understand so little and sora did tell him he went to go learn what was out there
A favorite cutscene of mine that shows Soras intelligence as well as how mature he's become is in KH3, where he convinces Donald and Goofy to stay behind while he goes into the Realm of Darkness on his own. Reasons stated being, Master Riku and King Mickey are struggling in the Dark Realm and where currently in big danger, so if something really bad where to happen, at least Donald and Goofy would be safe and could move forward, instead of them all being annihilated. There is also Re:mind where he figures out a way to travel around and collect all the heart pieces, he needs to trace his way to Kairi and save her. In the end he convinces Chirithy to go with him so he can be with his friend. "If it's impossible to be together, then all you can do is wait. but if it is possible to be together, then that's how it should be." so simple, yet so true. Sora has had some dumb moments, but it's like that's all some people want to focus on, instead of looking toward anything that counters this. His brain hasn't stayed in stagnant space, it grew with each experience, and it shows. you just have to pay attention. "They can take your world. They can take your heart. Cut you loose from all you know. But if it's your fate...Then every step forward will always be a step closer to home." -Sora
Sora is aloof. There's a big difference. He's not very knowledgeable in things, but when he's told stuff, he runs with it, unless he thinks it's not right. But Dream Drop Distance really did feel like it beat him over the head with the idiot stick.
I will always think he has more intelligence then anybody on our planet considering he drives a space ship through universes and can hack in tron and even reprogram him
@@Final_RPG Exactly. Donald taught him to fly the Gummi Ship effectively, and Tron taught Sora how to do techy-stuff. He can learn, he's just lovably aloof, and I don't want him any other way ^^
I never understood people calling Sora stupid. Yes academically he isnt the brightest bulb but he is quite a genius in other aspects. He is highly empathetic, picks abilities up fast I would even say he is a combat genius on par with characters like Goku. He learns magical abilities and honed his training on Destiny Islands very well.
I think he exceeds his knowing he goes to multiple different universes and canonically within the canon Sora actually knows all martial arts which is Nomura’s original depiction he had before hand so you’re right
@@Final_RPG Yeah I even remember certain characters mentioning his sword skills in game. I think before the fight with Shan Yu, Mulan even mentions his combat and how he can hold his own against a master swordsman like Shan Yu. As the series moves forward I would like this characteristic of his to be mentioned more.
The way I see it, Sora isn't dumb, but rather, he's naive. Naivety and stupidity are not one in the same. He's a naive kid who was thrust into an insane situation after losing his home and getting separated from his friends, one of whom he watched get willingly swallowed by darkness, and was just trying to make the best of it while doing what he thinks is the right thing to do. His entire goal for the first two games was to find and save both Riku and Kairi, yet he still went out of his way to help the people of all the worlds he visited because it was the right thing to do. He may not be the smartest, but out of all the characters in the series, he might just be the most honest and true to themselves. He may not be smart in the traditional sense, but intelligence comes in different forms. And Sora's comes in the form of empathy and charisma. He's the kinda guy to see a complete stranger feeling sad and want to help them. The kinda guy to throw himself headlong into danger just to protect a total stranger because he's just a good person and doesn't want to see anyone get hurt, even his enemies. He's saved entire worlds from being consumed by darkness. He makes friends with people the first time he meets them. Hell, he even makes friends out of enemies, and when he doesn't they turn into more like friendly rivals than enemies. The only people I can even think of at this point that he encountered and couldn't do that with was Xehanort and all of his incarnations, Xigbar, and maybe Larxene but as far as I could tell her and Sora's last interaction seemed like she was being more playful than anything. (I'm not a super hardcore fan and i've only done a fully story playthrough once, forgive me if i'm misremembering some details) People forget that not every main protagonist needs to be a genius to be a good character. It's their personality, actions, and writing that makes a character good or not. And I think Sora is a pretty well written character for what Tetsuya Nomura was going for, all things considered.
I completely agree with you what you're saying at the very end here thank you so much for being one of those people who understand this concept it brings a genuine smile to my face
Hes not dumb he just quite literally follows his heart all the time. The dude rushes headfirst into every situation because he always does what he thinks is right without thinking about the repercussions.
@Final_RPG Well, I'm not saying he's right to do so since he is easily and does get easily manipulated, but I do think it's far more admirable than him just being "dumb" great video and great topic tho
@@silentkaine9352 yeah it’s just called having a strong heart and will which doesn’t make someone dumb it just means you have courage and not only that he has learned a far lot more and there is different dimensions to sora’s character that a lot of people don’t see in him
I just love these types of videos dude, I just can't thank you enough for making this and brightening up my day a bit. To be honest, the problem isn't when people say Sora is "dumb", I definetely get why anyone would think that way and the games do showcase that side of him a lot, its when people say Sora is a 1 dimensional character where I have a problem, like holy crap dude. Legit sounds like you hate fun characters to me, because Sora is nowhere close to being a 1 dimensional character, your problems probably that you played through all the games with a blindfold on while having the game muted. People never talk about how emotionally intelligent that kid is, he always manages to reach the hearts of those around him, making friends anywhere he goes(I mean this was an insanely important plot point in KH3 Remind), I mean fr, how could you hate him just look at that goofball. There's a reason Nomura said a mainline Kingdom hearts title wouldn't work without Sora. Great video as always Final🔥
Thank you dude I Appreciate it I think the problem is when people mash on sora about this it’s more or less they grew up with sora in their adolescences so they believe he was more naive and not understanding of his surroundings and that’s what kh1 was all about because it was something new to experience but beyond this him wanting to be an open gate way to help people to jump head first you could argue is dumb but in none of these moments does he fail it’s just he is the light to be courage and shine the path for others and he had bits of ignorance in moments of growing older but he totally has a better look on life after kh3 and in 3’s finale
I believe Sora is not dumb he just thinks differently and acts goofy kind of like me in a way. But when it comes to everything else he is the biggest star of all. Can’t wait for 4.
I like to think that Sora is actually far smarter than people think, but he tends to play the "dumb" card because he either isn't that confident in himself, doesn't think he's actually that smart, or simply isn't given the information necessary to understand things. Sora grew up on an island that seemingly didn't have any technology remotely like that, so of course he'd be inexperienced and confused. But we end up seeing him figuring out how to copy over data onto Ansem's computer after Leon bailed without telling him how back in KH2. We see Sora figure out the Gummiphone once he's given some help. He's not dumb, he's just not given information and, like anyone, can't just figure things out based on nothing. No one tells him anything and keeps things from him, so it makes perfect sense that he gets confused. For all we know, Sora could actually be very intelligent and just needs helping to have things explained to him. I mean, what fourteen year old islander knows what a 'farce' is??
Frankly, outside of Dream Drop where he is actually behaving like a fool, it isn't a question of intelligence as much as maturity. In KH1, he has this very realistic air about him. When he talks to Pooh, its like finding a lost child, and when leaving, he explains why he has to leave like an adult would. But then in KH2, it felt more like his maturity was on par with Pooh, like a little kid who doesn't know how to react. And you'd figure that in KH3, he'd take his journey a bit more seriously or put some more thought into it or how he should develop, but he remains totally aloof to his next goal half the time and completely unconcerned with that fact when such an attitude is what cost him the mark of mastery and his power not too long before. Not to say he doesn't have mature moments past KH1, his conversations with Riku during and after the Xemnas fight are prime examples of that, but they feel like just that, moments. It feels as though his default is just flanderized childhood innocence. I still like him, but it doesn't seem like the same Sora from KH1 or CoM. Personally, I just head canon that Namine accidentally gave him brain damage, so that's why there's a sudden change.
Basically my thoughts on it as well. Often refer to KH1 Sora as the most "real" version of the character. He still has some of his snappy character in KH2, but yeah, they played up the airheadedness and Undertale-level innocence over time similar to Goku.
@@TheOtherDrManhattan I love this comment yeah I can see the relates to it definitely makes sense a whole lot of how they can mix the character from being goofy to really serious to being a smart ass all in one makes it very vibrant
To be fair Sora only went along with the mark of mastery was because it was a chance to finally have the journey with his best friend that went horribly wrong in KH1 along with him having just got his happy ending, reuniting with Riku and Kairi, from 2 resulting in him assuming his situation was less serious than it was to the point ignoring the clear signs of danger. It should be mentioned that when he gets to the final world he puts together Xehanort's plan quickly, but it's just way too preposterous to prevent or predict and was too late to change course.
I believe Sora is low int high wis in D&D terms. He talks to tarzan the way tarzan talks to him, a sign of respect and a bit of monkey see monkey do. He can't computer, doing code things from inside a computer is different from working the actual computer it self. It's easier. He could not tell mulan was a woman because it takes goofy's level of ever higher wis to pass that insight check. But he knows people, has a high sense of empathy and often knows just what to say to inspire those around him because. well... "My friends are my power." You can't call someone friend without knowing them.
Sora definitely isn't the brightest bulb in the room, but he is far from an idiot. I'd frankly say Sora is more in line of simply uneducated, but not stupid. All that time adventuring didn't exactly give the poor guy any time to sit in school, and he is a pretty young fellow. Being ignorant/uneducated is completely different from being stupid. In addition, while he might not academically shine, he is pretty quick on the uptake in several departments. Intelligence is more than just IQ (as troublesome of a measurement as it is): you also got emotional intelligence, bodily intelligence, and all manner of other departments. Being a self-taught nigh Keyblade master does say a lot about how Sora does have a remarkable knack for learning. He is also an adept to intermediate level battle sorcerer, dabbling and successfully utilizing already high-end magics in the heat of battle, despite having his progress reset several times by now. And only getting some minor tutoring here, and there from folks like Merlin.
Thinking upon it, Sora's battle magic prowess is probably one of those things hardly ever brought up. Guy can sling a mean set of spells if push comes to show. Aint no Xehanort level sorcery (see for comparisons: that one funny cutscene involving Xehanort flexing his magic might by giving Terra, Aqua, and Ventus a few up close pointers on what that looks like, plus him just telling Mickey to piss off with his ultima by stopping time and casually strolling off) going on there, but give it some decades and have no resets get in the way of things, and he would be rocking it with that stuff like nobody's business.
This is an great and amazing way to put it there is multiple departments of being educated in and you can take that for the real world EX having a masters degree in something doesn’t make you overall intelligent about everything else in the world but in the aspects sora has shown about life and understanding how it works it’s a very high understanding considering from what he has learned along with being able to connect with other super easily!
Thank you so much for this video. People love saying Sora’s an idiot but he never has been (except maybe just DDD). His displays of intelligence have always fascinated me way more.
I wouldn't even say he was dumb in Dream Drop Distance. He was relaxed and wasn't taking the test seriously because he was certain he would ace it and had absolute faith in Riku also acing it. He didn't trust Joshua initially until he learned Joshua wanted to help Neku. He never trusted young Xehanort, he didn't trust Phoebus when he learned he worked for Frolo until he learned he hated what Frolo was doing and so on. Yes, Sora was slow to catch on to what was happening but so was everyone else because no one knew or even suspected that the whole Mark of Mastery exam was a trap. It wasn't until Lea showed up and explained that the Organization members were human again that Yen Sid started putting the pieces together and that was information neither Riku nor Sora had. Riku was more prepared and could figure things out more quickly than Sora could, but he also was taking the test a lot more seriously than Sora.
You’re welcome. I think the same way about this I don’t like when so many people say this because he gets outshined because people just cast him as some child that doesn’t understand he was ignorant in kh2 a bit and moments in ddd kh3 he gets a full picture characters have progression and regression and that’s completely okay
@@crumpscrumbs No worries. Yeah, I'm replaying the whole series because I just felt like it and I'm noticing a lot more things that is easy to miss. For instance, Sora isn't just some happy-go-lucky kid in KH1. He actually was hiding a lot of pain. We know this because Roxas writes in his journal in 358/2 days about waking up crying dreaming about Sora. Basically every memory he has of Sora results in him crying (he calls it water in his eyes and on his face as he wakes up because he doesn't know what crying is).
please note i haven't played every game all the way through, but i know enough major points to try and talk about this lol. if i'm wrong about something let me know, i most likely am. also, this got really long so there's a tldr at the bottom i think some people forget that sora started this whole journey as a kid. all of this was thrust on him: the keyblade (which wasn't even supposed to go to him iirc?? i think riku was supposed to get it but absolutely do not quote me on that lol), his world literally being consumed by darkness (as far as i understand it), kairi vanishing and riku also vanishing and then going to the dark side, and when he gets to traverse town and leon explains the keyblade he's barely had any time to process any of it before he meets donald and goofy and has to go do all THAT stuff and try to find his friends. he's not allowed, within the constraint of the game mechanics/what we see, to break down about this. and then all the other games happen, so by the time we get to kh3 i really genuinely believe he's just traumatized in a way. i think he feels like he has to keep going and going because there's always more to do, always another boss to fight, always another world to save. and he's YOUNG. as far as we know he might not have seen his mom/parents/family until the end of kh2, and assumedly those would be his supports. but you also have to consider that maybe he didn't feel like he could talk to ANYONE about all this, not riku or kairi (once he was with them again) or even donald and goofy. because even if those four get it, technically, he's already boxed himself into being the silly friend, the one who cheers people up with jokes, and maybe he feels like he HAS to be that way because honestly, outside of being a keyblade wielder, what else has he done? he's most definitely super behind in school, and how could he focus on homework anyways when he knows theres a big bad out there? i think he repressed a lot of his more complex emotions about the events in the games because maybe he feels like if he doesn't he can't do the ONE thing he has to do. the whole not passing the exam thing in DDD (i think?) probably broke him. i think the only times, as far as i know) we see him cry or break down even a little bit are when he finds riku at the end of kh2, and in kh3 when all those heartless show up on the field and he gives up because i'm pretty sure everyone minus riku get consumed by darkness? and then riku goes and he just... can't. the silliness was absolutely real, see kh1 before the plot really starts, and it's probably real in other games too, but kh3 really felt more forced on his end. like he was forcing the smiles and jokes sometimes, not from a bad writing perspective. tldr; i don't think he's stupid/naive by kh3, i think he's putting on a show to protect himself/his feelings/others and make sure no one worries about him. because if SORA is sad and defeated, then what's that gonna do to the morale of everyone else?
I remember someone once said that Sora usually acts “silly” because that's what his friends need. They had all suffered a lot and were about to go to war and it makes me think that he knew they needed to keep their morale up and decided to be the source of laughter for the group but it's not the only thing Sora does to prevent more suffering for them. With his friends, he decides to sacrifice himself in the smallest ways (Like not expressing his pain) and the biggest (Sacrificing his existence for his friends and Kairi) because his own pain was less worth it, he thinks that since everyone depends on him to save and protect them. You shouldn't show your pain because you don't want to be a burden to them.
think think its funny that you said its not some shounen anime cus i would say sora is smarter then a lot of shounen MC like a good chunk of battle shounen have stupid MC
@@axelwinchester4220 not really goku labeled himself as not knowing what a kiss was forgot about meditation the thing he would do on a day to day basis and not knowing what kissing is and he had two kids… you’re talking and comparing a 14 through 16 yr old to a 56 year old grown man my brotha there’s not a comparison
He might not have the greatest intelligence but any person that plays Dungeons & Dragons and usually plays classes like barbarians, Fighters, Rogues, and Rangers will tell you once in a while we have our moments. We might not be smart am I not understand what the hell's going on half the goddamn time but we're quite intelligent when it comes to our combat and that's how I see Sora he's dumb yes buddy is actually quite intelligent when it comes to combat enable to pretty much come up with moves on the Fly which yes I know that's limitation in game mechanics but come on which keyblade user out there just literally went "I am going to throw my keyblade like it was a flying shuriken star. have it Boomerang off many enemies and then use my keyblade call ability to call it back." Or figure out how to open up certain weak spots and enemies to make it a lot more easier to start wailing that though and take them down and sometimes even outright kill or even use enemies as weapons
And KH2 Sora was definitely smart when it came to a threat that was in his way. KH2 Sora was a little Nieve but man put him in battle or better yet cross him the wrong way & you better believe they were about to get owned by Sora's sick & intelligent skills in battle & that what I liked about Sora as a character. When something went down he was ready for action.
I’m sorry LOL but the people needed to see it somehow I feel like if I said yes sora is smart then talked about how he is then people would like boo you stink lol in all seriousness though thank you for watching and maybe sticking around dude it means a whole lot lol! You all are so amazing honestly ❤️💯
The only time where Sora was ***truly*** dumb was through a lot of DDD. He feels like the butt of the joke in that game, and I just dont like it. Hes never that dumb in any other game.
I never had an issue with KH1 or KH2 Sora Nieve ways because it felt natural with his age. Now it's when we get to KH3 is where it feels forced & the worst of it all is how eveyone in that game keeps roasting Sora making him seem even stupider than normal & Sora never has anything sazzy to say as he would in the other two game especially in KH2. Sora was on fire in that game even though we know Sora only acted that way because of Roxas being apart of him & Roxas does act just like that but it was still cool & it still made Sora funny & not too serious either. Sora is not the the brightest person & that was 100 percent said by his own best friend Riku in the scene where they reunite in the world that never was & that is true but Sora always knew what needed to be done & it didn't feel foced like KH3 where it felt like Sora was just dumber than nomral. I don't have an issue with dumb stuff like that happening in this series really I don't but if they are going to do stuff like that, at least make it feel natrual like KH1, KH2 & DDD did & boom done.
You know I believe it’s more of the fact they decided to make him relatable in moments and not always explaining serious context to do it for the sake of being charismatic and charming but when it comes to the main villain speeches and everything else that’s where the pivotal points speak out to what the character actually is and it makes sense it’s just the writing direction from the devs and they could have done better in some of the later games but the game was also slightly rushed from the community standard plus they switched engines and everything else. So I don’t blame em and I think it’s far from being a bad game as well. Quote I know you don't think that just most people do and it’s irritating lol but thank you for sharing my man i agree with you whole heartedly
@@Final_RPG Yeah, the game is not bad & I understand what went on behind the scene during development. Hopefully, they will let Namora work on his vision the way he wants to. Yeah, the writing plays a huge role in that game & I remember him saying that they had to rewrite the story multiple times & a lot of other stuff so I can relate to that since writing out a script can be hard but when you are on someone else's time I'm sure it's way harder than doing one for a TH-cam essay.
So here's what I've noticed. Kingdom hearts 1 sora is more curious, he likes to see the new sights and is definitely not dumb. Chain of memories had him still be sassy and kinda rude sometimes. Kingdom hearts 2 is where the change began. I don't necessarily know why Ansem referred to Sora as "too kind for his own good" when this wasn't quite the case in the prior two games. But here is where the naivety and the train to stupid sora begins. DDD is where Sora went off the deep end into Stupid Sora mode. He is too naive, kind, and stupid. Kh3 dialed it down a bit but he's still overly kind naive and dumb. Kh1 and COM Sora is a different character to KH2 onward. I am led to believe Namine didn't make him 100% exactly like he used to be 👀
In more ways then one. People like to believe because the charismatic moments that make it more childish and relatable to someone of similar age of sora or younger that it makes him silly and legitimately dumb but that isn’t the actual case
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Hey guys this was just more of a fun little video and my personal opinion about the entire thing but I just wanted the community to gather and all share there thoughts and interact and oh boy I wasn’t expecting the massive responses I really do appreciate every single one of you for this it means a lot can’t wait to crack out my better videos I have stocked up and till summer games fest everyone better be there! LOVE YALL❤edit: sorry about my volume in the second half guys it was because sora’s theme was way to loud and I had to amp my vocals in order for it to sound better didn’t wanna blow your guys ears out so my bad on my part!
I always believe that Sora is average intelligence. Just dumb with computers but extremely Savant in emotions
That makes sense but I do think in my opinion he has above average moments in specific instances where they are outshined due to everyone always making fun of it
I've only played 1 and 2, so I don't know if something disproves this later, but based on the fact that he's so dumb specifically with computers, I'd guess there weren't computers on his home world.
He gets flung to a new world and accepts magic once he sees it, without getting bogged down in the how or why it works. It makes sense that he'd just assume computers were a type of magic and ask no further questions.
@@Ithyldr basically he hacks in tron which is an AI that is so complex it literally turns human and he reprograms him in ddd and in kh2 he also programs and not only that he is the one who is in control of the gummi ship flying to every other universe they go to. no person on our planet alone knows how to do this and even if we've been to neighbor planets with robots we just aren't capable enough to fly ourselves there instead we let technology do it also sora actually builds gummi ships as well meaning he knows how to craft an entire ship and fly it to different universes this is more under coating but this is actually true
Sora isn't always so super quick to pick up on Every Single Plot Detail immediately. Because he's a normal person. But he's EXTREMELY intelligent *Emotionally*. He's incredibly adept at reading other people's Hearts, their Emotions, their Inner Feelings. And that's the most important thing. Emotional intelligence is an incredible power to wield and there's noone better to wield it than him.
Anyways, overall I think you're absolutely correct. Excellent video ❤🎉
@@kefkaexdeaththank you so much I appreciate it a lot Goated comment
Just remember alot of highly integent people dont always act smart so he could be genius for all we know.
Exactly 💯
People associate kindness and happiness with immaturity, naivety, and stupidity. It’s a really sucky stereotype. Personally I don’t think Sora does anything out of a lack of intelligence, everything he does is guided by his beliefs and determination. Does it seem stupid to rush into danger? Sure, but Sora would do any tactically stupid thing if it meant helping others, he just trusts he’ll figure it out and find a way for everything to work out.
Bonus: Terra isn’t stupid either, he grew up extremely sheltered and didn’t have Disney movies to teach him how to assume old or unattractive people are evil. We know Xehanort is evil because media taught us tropes, but Terra has no reason to assume ill intent from his master’s best friend
Exactly terra isn’t either I was thinking about doing a video for this to be honest.
The fact that he's so naive is honestly the most adorable thing about him. I remember being his age and wishing I was the same way because it honestly endeared him to me. At his age, I was so jaded but playing the game helped me to know I didn't need to know everything and people would be willing to help me. I could rely on others for things I don't know or cant do.
Reading other people's comments I can see Im one of the few that actually really liked how he behaved in DDD :') but he was too cute. I think I just generally really enjoy the soft boy aspect of him because typical shonen main character personality is just so overdone.
He’s not typical shonen they have aspects of course but he’s a lot smarter than most of them. Him having the innocences and not understanding in the first game till 3 finding out about everything and the maturity of all the universes at stake he really had understood the meanings behind timelines and other multiverses and even broke Xehanorts plan rewriting around it literally in every single out come Sora definitely has his big moments but due to factors of wanting to be very relatable put him in the silly ones sometimes and that’s completely okay
I think it's also so important to remember.... Sora is an islander, where there wasn't much tech... ofc he's not going to understand phones or computers - he probably never, or very rarely, even saw them on Destiny Island
Yeah but it’s also important to remember sora knows how to literally hack due to tron both times and even where re programmed a real AI that was able to Traverse the real world and have his own thoughts becoming literally human to a major degree
Considering the keyblade was involved those times, I don't think Sora's intelligence was a huge factor
@@dakotadoyle7573 you can use an ability in a very smart way and other abilities that don’t have told aspects and think of how to do it. Also if this isn’t the case anyways sora knows how to literally pilot a gummi ship across universes flawlessly without question something humans can’t even do inside of today’s standard to a literal planet away. Edit just to make this clear a lot of people think kingdom hearts is one composite universe for the game itself not the power. But yeah they use in Japanese translation as SEKAI and this means the universes and also Eraqus needed to unlock the lanes between and they all state in every game there is invisible boarders to universes they speak of when they try to travel world to world once they spoke about it to Leon and gang in kh 1 hallow bastion when they would be separated which is why sora was gonna use the gummi ship but couldn’t so he just said he would use the keyblade to traverse while piloting the gummi ship “unlocking the lanes” just like how they show in kh3 when he travels to Olympus
@@Final_RPG but remember, there are points where the Keyblade does things without the owners permission or the user even know what was going on, the Keyblade closed the Wonderland keyhole with Sora not even know what was going on and Riku's Dream Drop Distance campaign was because his Keyblade put Riku in Sora's dreams while both were unconscious
@@dakotadoyle7573 sora even said himself I think I know how we can save him prior in situations such as these and even after hand sora also says when opening the lanes he’s got it as an idea. The power of the keyblade is sentient but for instances where he uses it in kh1 is cause he didn’t know how to use it before and ddd he was literally unconscious. So that’s not a very good way to point it out as labeling sora’s intelligence only around the keyblade itself
Sora may not be all that book smars, but he'sbrilliant when it comes to people. He likes meeting new people and making friends wherever he goes. He understands the the heart better that most. That's why I relate to him so much. I just barey graduated, but I can make friends wherever I go. I like people. I can look at them, understand their mood, and talk in a helpful and friendly way. Just like Sora.
Which is why I say he is a very relatable character and that’s why I love that he has a very high class of understanding specific things it’s a great way to be related to real of life of the sad moments and the great moments that happen within the series between friendship. We may fight we may go through things but we’re always friends and that’s a great part of the series
@@Final_RPG Agreed.
One thing I think you left out is that Sora isn't dumb. He's ignorant. Those are two separate things.
He's more than willing to learn what's out there in KH1, he knows right from wrong and he by-and-large is a good judge of character. He sees the good before the bad and is selfless.
One thing you mentioned but didn't expand on is that he's a 14 year old boy whose entire world is destroyed, but you left it there. He's also a 14 year old boy who ends up with Donald and Goofy, powerful friends and allies but equally disconnected to the world and its developments for a variety of reasons. They were left out of the loop by Mickey when it came to keyblades and how they work by Mickey and are equally inept with technology as Sora is. Donald and Goofy had no idea what the gummiphone was or what it ringing meant.
Then there's the fact that the three of them also spent a year in limbo while asleep while everyone else were able to grow and adapt. Kairi was even going to school, as seen by her and Selphie in school uniforms in KH2 during the Roxas prologue. Sora stopped going to school some time before KH1 because he and his friends were going to the island every day so they probably were in summer vacation, meaning Sora likely has up to a 7th or 8th grade education at best, and if he didn't take any computer classes then his exposure to computers would be limited to what we see in the games. He and Goofy both type with the one finger-method after all.
Their initial experience with the gummi-phone is like someone growing up with a flip phone or a cordless landline suddenly being given a smartphone. Sure, you'll get the hang of it eventually but you won't know what you are working with at the start.
Everyone else had that year they were sleeping to see new technologies and adapt. Sora, Donald and Goofy basically fought Ansem, took a nap and woke up a year later and went back to fighting, largely in worlds without much technology but the keyblade reading Sora's intent in Tron's world and helping cover the gaps, went home for maybe a few weeks to maybe a couple of months before being called back in for the Mark of Mastery and immediately starting his KH3 journey almost immediately afterwards.
Sora just hasn't had the time or environment to learn everything he's fallen behind on, nor to cover the gaps of his education from being out of school for so long.
I think he was ignorant up till dream drop distance he was to confident within kh2 moving forward I think KH3 he finally understood where he stands with everything
Sora lost a chromosome and a lot of braincells when he got almost Norted. Now he says stuff like "yippee", "eebie-jeebies", and "I can't computer" ._.
Sora has high emotional intelligence, but people always forget he can’t count
I feel like the whole sora can’t count is more of charismatic joke rather then being truly legitimate you’re talking about the 14/15 yr old kid who flys the gummi ship to different universes 👀
Saying Sora's "dumb" is just an indicator for how superficial you are. Sora does have character growth, his is just more layered and, like the series, you'd have to dig for it, find and appreciate its nuance for what it is. If you're ready and willing to follow KH's convoluted storylines, you shouldn't have a problem with understanding and accepting Sora's disposition and how he's likely to not do things the way you would because that's just how he rolls. My dude has rizz AF if he can befriend nearly anyone he interacts with and have them fight for him.
I feel for the people who say that he is dumb really is an indicator people didn’t play these games or only played a handful of them I Agree with you fam! Preach
@@Final_RPG playing devil's advocate, i understand their want for a more "reasonable" character given Ventus's down-to-earth and Roxas's edginess but Sora is Sora. All he needs is a growth spurt and some goddamn gainz 💪🏻 (he's way too skinny for the HERCULEAN strength he regularly and effortlessly shows)
@@Giggles_iJest playing devils advocate? Me I’m not, the video is me saying how I think it’s wrong that people think sora is dumb. I’m quoting off of those guys. And seriously you right tho loll
@@Final_RPG I'm saying *I'm* playing devil's advocate. As in, I'm practically saying "to be fair" cause i sort of understand where they're coming from when they say that Sora's dumb but at the same time wholeheartedly disagree cause they're just lazy af only seeing it at surface level 🥴
@@Giggles_iJest oh sorry I totally misunderstood man
He is simple, not stupid. Sora doesn't know best, he knows that he knows little.
Which is why he went on a path to learn just like ansem said in kh1 you understand so little and sora did tell him he went to go learn what was out there
A favorite cutscene of mine that shows Soras intelligence as well as how mature he's become is in KH3, where he convinces Donald and Goofy to stay behind while he goes into the Realm of Darkness on his own. Reasons stated being, Master Riku and King Mickey are struggling in the Dark Realm and where currently in big danger, so if something really bad where to happen, at least Donald and Goofy would be safe and could move forward, instead of them all being annihilated.
There is also Re:mind where he figures out a way to travel around and collect all the heart pieces, he needs to trace his way to Kairi and save her. In the end he convinces Chirithy to go with him so he can be with his friend.
"If it's impossible to be together, then all you can do is wait. but if it is possible to be together, then that's how it should be." so simple, yet so true.
Sora has had some dumb moments, but it's like that's all some people want to focus on, instead of looking toward anything that counters this. His brain hasn't stayed in stagnant space, it grew with each experience, and it shows. you just have to pay attention.
"They can take your world. They can take your heart. Cut you loose from all you know. But if it's your fate...Then every step forward will always be a step closer to home." -Sora
AMEN PREACH BROTHA
Sora is aloof. There's a big difference. He's not very knowledgeable in things, but when he's told stuff, he runs with it, unless he thinks it's not right.
But Dream Drop Distance really did feel like it beat him over the head with the idiot stick.
I will always think he has more intelligence then anybody on our planet considering he drives a space ship through universes and can hack in tron and even reprogram him
@@Final_RPG Exactly. Donald taught him to fly the Gummi Ship effectively, and Tron taught Sora how to do techy-stuff. He can learn, he's just lovably aloof, and I don't want him any other way ^^
@@cameronfield7313 actual wholesome ass response love it 😁💯
Sora: I told you I wasn't dumb, just a bit naive 😅
I never understood people calling Sora stupid. Yes academically he isnt the brightest bulb but he is quite a genius in other aspects. He is highly empathetic, picks abilities up fast I would even say he is a combat genius on par with characters like Goku. He learns magical abilities and honed his training on Destiny Islands very well.
I think he exceeds his knowing he goes to multiple different universes and canonically within the canon Sora actually knows all martial arts which is Nomura’s original depiction he had before hand so you’re right
@@Final_RPG Yeah I even remember certain characters mentioning his sword skills in game. I think before the fight with Shan Yu, Mulan even mentions his combat and how he can hold his own against a master swordsman like Shan Yu. As the series moves forward I would like this characteristic of his to be mentioned more.
@@neekZDI exactly
The way I see it, Sora isn't dumb, but rather, he's naive. Naivety and stupidity are not one in the same. He's a naive kid who was thrust into an insane situation after losing his home and getting separated from his friends, one of whom he watched get willingly swallowed by darkness, and was just trying to make the best of it while doing what he thinks is the right thing to do. His entire goal for the first two games was to find and save both Riku and Kairi, yet he still went out of his way to help the people of all the worlds he visited because it was the right thing to do. He may not be the smartest, but out of all the characters in the series, he might just be the most honest and true to themselves. He may not be smart in the traditional sense, but intelligence comes in different forms. And Sora's comes in the form of empathy and charisma. He's the kinda guy to see a complete stranger feeling sad and want to help them. The kinda guy to throw himself headlong into danger just to protect a total stranger because he's just a good person and doesn't want to see anyone get hurt, even his enemies. He's saved entire worlds from being consumed by darkness. He makes friends with people the first time he meets them. Hell, he even makes friends out of enemies, and when he doesn't they turn into more like friendly rivals than enemies. The only people I can even think of at this point that he encountered and couldn't do that with was Xehanort and all of his incarnations, Xigbar, and maybe Larxene but as far as I could tell her and Sora's last interaction seemed like she was being more playful than anything. (I'm not a super hardcore fan and i've only done a fully story playthrough once, forgive me if i'm misremembering some details) People forget that not every main protagonist needs to be a genius to be a good character. It's their personality, actions, and writing that makes a character good or not. And I think Sora is a pretty well written character for what Tetsuya Nomura was going for, all things considered.
I completely agree with you what you're saying at the very end here thank you so much for being one of those people who understand this concept it brings a genuine smile to my face
Hes not dumb he just quite literally follows his heart all the time. The dude rushes headfirst into every situation because he always does what he thinks is right without thinking about the repercussions.
Because that’s what a true hero would do completely agree man! Love the response coming from this
@Final_RPG Well, I'm not saying he's right to do so since he is easily and does get easily manipulated, but I do think it's far more admirable than him just being "dumb" great video and great topic tho
@@silentkaine9352 yeah it’s just called having a strong heart and will which doesn’t make someone dumb it just means you have courage and not only that he has learned a far lot more and there is different dimensions to sora’s character that a lot of people don’t see in him
I never thought of sora being stupid,I think he's smart for his age
Dead serious not gonna sugar coat it
I just love these types of videos dude, I just can't thank you enough for making this and brightening up my day a bit.
To be honest, the problem isn't when people say Sora is "dumb", I definetely get why anyone would think that way and the games do showcase that side of him a lot, its when people say Sora is a 1 dimensional character where I have a problem, like holy crap dude. Legit sounds like you hate fun characters to me, because Sora is nowhere close to being a 1 dimensional character, your problems probably that you played through all the games with a blindfold on while having the game muted.
People never talk about how emotionally intelligent that kid is, he always manages to reach the hearts of those around him, making friends anywhere he goes(I mean this was an insanely important plot point in KH3 Remind), I mean fr, how could you hate him just look at that goofball.
There's a reason Nomura said a mainline Kingdom hearts title wouldn't work without Sora.
Great video as always Final🔥
Thank you dude I Appreciate it I think the problem is when people mash on sora about this it’s more or less they grew up with sora in their adolescences so they believe he was more naive and not understanding of his surroundings and that’s what kh1 was all about because it was something new to experience but beyond this him wanting to be an open gate way to help people to jump head first you could argue is dumb but in none of these moments does he fail it’s just he is the light to be courage and shine the path for others and he had bits of ignorance in moments of growing older but he totally has a better look on life after kh3 and in 3’s finale
I believe Sora is not dumb he just thinks differently and acts goofy kind of like me in a way. But when it comes to everything else he is the biggest star of all. Can’t wait for 4.
Me too here we come hype train it’s gonna be crazy!!
I like to think that Sora is actually far smarter than people think, but he tends to play the "dumb" card because he either isn't that confident in himself, doesn't think he's actually that smart, or simply isn't given the information necessary to understand things. Sora grew up on an island that seemingly didn't have any technology remotely like that, so of course he'd be inexperienced and confused. But we end up seeing him figuring out how to copy over data onto Ansem's computer after Leon bailed without telling him how back in KH2. We see Sora figure out the Gummiphone once he's given some help. He's not dumb, he's just not given information and, like anyone, can't just figure things out based on nothing. No one tells him anything and keeps things from him, so it makes perfect sense that he gets confused. For all we know, Sora could actually be very intelligent and just needs helping to have things explained to him. I mean, what fourteen year old islander knows what a 'farce' is??
Frankly, outside of Dream Drop where he is actually behaving like a fool, it isn't a question of intelligence as much as maturity. In KH1, he has this very realistic air about him. When he talks to Pooh, its like finding a lost child, and when leaving, he explains why he has to leave like an adult would. But then in KH2, it felt more like his maturity was on par with Pooh, like a little kid who doesn't know how to react. And you'd figure that in KH3, he'd take his journey a bit more seriously or put some more thought into it or how he should develop, but he remains totally aloof to his next goal half the time and completely unconcerned with that fact when such an attitude is what cost him the mark of mastery and his power not too long before. Not to say he doesn't have mature moments past KH1, his conversations with Riku during and after the Xemnas fight are prime examples of that, but they feel like just that, moments. It feels as though his default is just flanderized childhood innocence. I still like him, but it doesn't seem like the same Sora from KH1 or CoM.
Personally, I just head canon that Namine accidentally gave him brain damage, so that's why there's a sudden change.
LMAOO I feel you on that 😂
Basically my thoughts on it as well. Often refer to KH1 Sora as the most "real" version of the character. He still has some of his snappy character in KH2, but yeah, they played up the airheadedness and Undertale-level innocence over time similar to Goku.
@@TheOtherDrManhattan I love this comment yeah I can see the relates to it definitely makes sense a whole lot of how they can mix the character from being goofy to really serious to being a smart ass all in one makes it very vibrant
To be fair Sora only went along with the mark of mastery was because it was a chance to finally have the journey with his best friend that went horribly wrong in KH1 along with him having just got his happy ending, reuniting with Riku and Kairi, from 2 resulting in him assuming his situation was less serious than it was to the point ignoring the clear signs of danger.
It should be mentioned that when he gets to the final world he puts together Xehanort's plan quickly, but it's just way too preposterous to prevent or predict and was too late to change course.
@@plates7245 and yet he still changed the course of all the actions made and done and figured it out. This is why sora is the goat
I believe Sora is low int high wis in D&D terms.
He talks to tarzan the way tarzan talks to him, a sign of respect and a bit of monkey see monkey do.
He can't computer, doing code things from inside a computer is different from working the actual computer it self. It's easier.
He could not tell mulan was a woman because it takes goofy's level of ever higher wis to pass that insight check.
But he knows people, has a high sense of empathy and often knows just what to say to inspire those around him because. well... "My friends are my power." You can't call someone friend without knowing them.
While Sora may have his moments. He's still the kind of character you wouldn't mind having to hang out with, or tag along.
I will always love Sora
@@Final_RPG As do most fans. You cannot really hate on someone who's gone through a lot. At the end of the day, you just want to give this guy a hug
Sora definitely isn't the brightest bulb in the room, but he is far from an idiot. I'd frankly say Sora is more in line of simply uneducated, but not stupid. All that time adventuring didn't exactly give the poor guy any time to sit in school, and he is a pretty young fellow. Being ignorant/uneducated is completely different from being stupid. In addition, while he might not academically shine, he is pretty quick on the uptake in several departments. Intelligence is more than just IQ (as troublesome of a measurement as it is): you also got emotional intelligence, bodily intelligence, and all manner of other departments. Being a self-taught nigh Keyblade master does say a lot about how Sora does have a remarkable knack for learning. He is also an adept to intermediate level battle sorcerer, dabbling and successfully utilizing already high-end magics in the heat of battle, despite having his progress reset several times by now. And only getting some minor tutoring here, and there from folks like Merlin.
Thinking upon it, Sora's battle magic prowess is probably one of those things hardly ever brought up. Guy can sling a mean set of spells if push comes to show. Aint no Xehanort level sorcery (see for comparisons: that one funny cutscene involving Xehanort flexing his magic might by giving Terra, Aqua, and Ventus a few up close pointers on what that looks like, plus him just telling Mickey to piss off with his ultima by stopping time and casually strolling off) going on there, but give it some decades and have no resets get in the way of things, and he would be rocking it with that stuff like nobody's business.
This is an great and amazing way to put it there is multiple departments of being educated in and you can take that for the real world EX having a masters degree in something doesn’t make you overall intelligent about everything else in the world but in the aspects sora has shown about life and understanding how it works it’s a very high understanding considering from what he has learned along with being able to connect with other super easily!
I thought of Sora as above average intelligence but not quite a genius. In kh1 he was unexperienced, not “dull” like Mal claimed.
That is completely fair to think considering what he went through
Personally I never had problems with Sora I always love him the way he is.
Thank you so much for this video. People love saying Sora’s an idiot but he never has been (except maybe just DDD). His displays of intelligence have always fascinated me way more.
I wouldn't even say he was dumb in Dream Drop Distance. He was relaxed and wasn't taking the test seriously because he was certain he would ace it and had absolute faith in Riku also acing it.
He didn't trust Joshua initially until he learned Joshua wanted to help Neku. He never trusted young Xehanort, he didn't trust Phoebus when he learned he worked for Frolo until he learned he hated what Frolo was doing and so on.
Yes, Sora was slow to catch on to what was happening but so was everyone else because no one knew or even suspected that the whole Mark of Mastery exam was a trap. It wasn't until Lea showed up and explained that the Organization members were human again that Yen Sid started putting the pieces together and that was information neither Riku nor Sora had.
Riku was more prepared and could figure things out more quickly than Sora could, but he also was taking the test a lot more seriously than Sora.
You’re welcome. I think the same way about this I don’t like when so many people say this because he gets outshined because people just cast him as some child that doesn’t understand he was ignorant in kh2 a bit and moments in ddd kh3 he gets a full picture characters have progression and regression and that’s completely okay
@@Dragon_Lair Oh man, seriously? It’s been way too long since I played DDD. Thanks for the explanation!
@@crumpscrumbs No worries.
Yeah, I'm replaying the whole series because I just felt like it and I'm noticing a lot more things that is easy to miss.
For instance, Sora isn't just some happy-go-lucky kid in KH1. He actually was hiding a lot of pain. We know this because Roxas writes in his journal in 358/2 days about waking up crying dreaming about Sora. Basically every memory he has of Sora results in him crying (he calls it water in his eyes and on his face as he wakes up because he doesn't know what crying is).
please note i haven't played every game all the way through, but i know enough major points to try and talk about this lol. if i'm wrong about something let me know, i most likely am. also, this got really long so there's a tldr at the bottom
i think some people forget that sora started this whole journey as a kid. all of this was thrust on him: the keyblade (which wasn't even supposed to go to him iirc?? i think riku was supposed to get it but absolutely do not quote me on that lol), his world literally being consumed by darkness (as far as i understand it), kairi vanishing and riku also vanishing and then going to the dark side, and when he gets to traverse town and leon explains the keyblade he's barely had any time to process any of it before he meets donald and goofy and has to go do all THAT stuff and try to find his friends. he's not allowed, within the constraint of the game mechanics/what we see, to break down about this.
and then all the other games happen, so by the time we get to kh3 i really genuinely believe he's just traumatized in a way. i think he feels like he has to keep going and going because there's always more to do, always another boss to fight, always another world to save. and he's YOUNG. as far as we know he might not have seen his mom/parents/family until the end of kh2, and assumedly those would be his supports.
but you also have to consider that maybe he didn't feel like he could talk to ANYONE about all this, not riku or kairi (once he was with them again) or even donald and goofy. because even if those four get it, technically, he's already boxed himself into being the silly friend, the one who cheers people up with jokes, and maybe he feels like he HAS to be that way because honestly, outside of being a keyblade wielder, what else has he done?
he's most definitely super behind in school, and how could he focus on homework anyways when he knows theres a big bad out there? i think he repressed a lot of his more complex emotions about the events in the games because maybe he feels like if he doesn't he can't do the ONE thing he has to do. the whole not passing the exam thing in DDD (i think?) probably broke him. i think the only times, as far as i know) we see him cry or break down even a little bit are when he finds riku at the end of kh2, and in kh3 when all those heartless show up on the field and he gives up because i'm pretty sure everyone minus riku get consumed by darkness? and then riku goes and he just... can't. the silliness was absolutely real, see kh1 before the plot really starts, and it's probably real in other games too, but kh3 really felt more forced on his end. like he was forcing the smiles and jokes sometimes, not from a bad writing perspective.
tldr; i don't think he's stupid/naive by kh3, i think he's putting on a show to protect himself/his feelings/others and make sure no one worries about him. because if SORA is sad and defeated, then what's that gonna do to the morale of everyone else?
I remember someone once said that Sora usually acts “silly” because that's what his friends need. They had all suffered a lot and were about to go to war and it makes me think that he knew they needed to keep their morale up and decided to be the source of laughter for the group but it's not the only thing Sora does to prevent more suffering for them. With his friends, he decides to sacrifice himself in the smallest ways (Like not expressing his pain) and the biggest (Sacrificing his existence for his friends and Kairi) because his own pain was less worth it, he thinks that since everyone depends on him to save and protect them. You shouldn't show your pain because you don't want to be a burden to them.
There are different kinds of intelligence, and to put it in RPG terms, Sora is what happens when you dump INT and max WIS.
Intelligence stat maxed tf out 😂❤️
think think its funny that you said its not some shounen anime cus i would say sora is smarter then a lot of shounen MC like a good chunk of battle shounen have stupid MC
Honestly I think so too which is why I said it LMAO kh does have some of its “shonen” moments but I do agree he is a lot smarter than them
@@Final_RPGhonestly he's. About as smart as super Goku
@@axelwinchester4220 not really goku labeled himself as not knowing what a kiss was forgot about meditation the thing he would do on a day to day basis and not knowing what kissing is and he had two kids… you’re talking and comparing a 14 through 16 yr old to a 56 year old grown man my brotha there’s not a comparison
He might not have the greatest intelligence but any person that plays Dungeons & Dragons and usually plays classes like barbarians, Fighters, Rogues, and Rangers will tell you once in a while we have our moments.
We might not be smart am I not understand what the hell's going on half the goddamn time but we're quite intelligent when it comes to our combat and that's how I see Sora he's dumb yes buddy is actually quite intelligent when it comes to combat enable to pretty much come up with moves on the Fly which yes I know that's limitation in game mechanics but come on which keyblade user out there just literally went "I am going to throw my keyblade like it was a flying shuriken star. have it Boomerang off many enemies and then use my keyblade call ability to call it back."
Or figure out how to open up certain weak spots and enemies to make it a lot more easier to start wailing that though and take them down and sometimes even outright kill or even use enemies as weapons
And KH2 Sora was definitely smart when it came to a threat that was in his way. KH2 Sora was a little Nieve but man put him in battle or better yet cross him the wrong way & you better believe they were about to get owned by Sora's sick & intelligent skills in battle & that what I liked about Sora as a character. When something went down he was ready for action.
I was gonna throw hands until I read that title
I’m sorry LOL but the people needed to see it somehow I feel like if I said yes sora is smart then talked about how he is then people would like boo you stink lol in all seriousness though thank you for watching and maybe sticking around dude it means a whole lot lol! You all are so amazing honestly ❤️💯
5:51 ayo you'll do what to sora??
LMFAOO 🤣 not like that yo in scaling
The only time where Sora was ***truly*** dumb was through a lot of DDD. He feels like the butt of the joke in that game, and I just dont like it. Hes never that dumb in any other game.
I completely agree I just believe he was very ignorant and not taking the test as seriously in dream drop distance
They needed an excuse to make Riku the master
@@TurboVisionOfficial LMAO they’re building up for sora to be the child of destiny 😂
I never had an issue with KH1 or KH2 Sora Nieve ways because it felt natural with his age. Now it's when we get to KH3 is where it feels forced & the worst of it all is how eveyone in that game keeps roasting Sora making him seem even stupider than normal & Sora never has anything sazzy to say as he would in the other two game especially in KH2. Sora was on fire in that game even though we know Sora only acted that way because of Roxas being apart of him & Roxas does act just like that but it was still cool & it still made Sora funny & not too serious either. Sora is not the the brightest person & that was 100 percent said by his own best friend Riku in the scene where they reunite in the world that never was & that is true but Sora always knew what needed to be done & it didn't feel foced like KH3 where it felt like Sora was just dumber than nomral. I don't have an issue with dumb stuff like that happening in this series really I don't but if they are going to do stuff like that, at least make it feel natrual like KH1, KH2 & DDD did & boom done.
You know I believe it’s more of the fact they decided to make him relatable in moments and not always explaining serious context to do it for the sake of being charismatic and charming but when it comes to the main villain speeches and everything else that’s where the pivotal points speak out to what the character actually is and it makes sense it’s just the writing direction from the devs and they could have done better in some of the later games but the game was also slightly rushed from the community standard plus they switched engines and everything else. So I don’t blame em and I think it’s far from being a bad game as well. Quote I know you don't think that just most people do and it’s irritating lol but thank you for sharing my man i agree with you whole heartedly
@@Final_RPG Yeah, the game is not bad & I understand what went on behind the scene during development. Hopefully, they will let Namora work on his vision the way he wants to. Yeah, the writing plays a huge role in that game & I remember him saying that they had to rewrite the story multiple times & a lot of other stuff so I can relate to that since writing out a script can be hard but when you are on someone else's time I'm sure it's way harder than doing one for a TH-cam essay.
@@keybladewar22 exactly
So here's what I've noticed. Kingdom hearts 1 sora is more curious, he likes to see the new sights and is definitely not dumb.
Chain of memories had him still be sassy and kinda rude sometimes.
Kingdom hearts 2 is where the change began. I don't necessarily know why Ansem referred to Sora as "too kind for his own good" when this wasn't quite the case in the prior two games. But here is where the naivety and the train to stupid sora begins.
DDD is where Sora went off the deep end into Stupid Sora mode. He is too naive, kind, and stupid.
Kh3 dialed it down a bit but he's still overly kind naive and dumb.
Kh1 and COM Sora is a different character to KH2 onward. I am led to believe Namine didn't make him 100% exactly like he used to be 👀
People keep saying that lmfao
Too trusting? When?
@@SteveCrafts2k kh2 “like I’d believe that” ddd “yeah right you’re all up to things” ong you’re right
sora is wise?
In more ways then one. People like to believe because the charismatic moments that make it more childish and relatable to someone of similar age of sora or younger that it makes him silly and legitimately dumb but that isn’t the actual case