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Eraqus, despite knowing that Xehanort had interests in darkness and the Keyblade War did present Xehanort to his students as his peer who brought Ventus to the Land of Departure and oversaw Terra and Aqua’s Mark of Mastery exam with Eraqus. To the three, certainly Terra and Aqua, Master Xehanort was above board. Xehanort played everyone, even Eraqus who should have known better, so that he can manipulate Terra doesn’t make Terra as stupid as people think he is. Even Aqua, who wasn’t part of the plan, played into Xehanort’s hands by driving Terra and Ventus away in Radiant Garden. In defence of the waterworks scene Terra has just come off of a fight with Aqua where she’s straight up said she’s acting as an agent for Eraqus in observing him, that neither his Master or friend trust him and he’s not taking seriously that Ven is on his side. Terra isn’t thinking clearly and Xehanort is the one person he sees as in his corner who can help him. That he’s tapping into darkness shows he’s acting on something more primal and isn’t listening to his inner Akbar in that it’s a trap.
I have to wonder why people who say Terra is dumb never give Ven flak for never telling anyone about Vanitas or Aqua just taking Maleficent at her word that Terra did something bad without any details.
Ven just wanted to protect his friends from vanitas and he did try to tell terra and aqua she didn’t wanna believe her just when she her from yensid the news about the death of eraqus but they have there own moments to but none of them are “dumb” i agree
At least Terra didn’t attempt to barge into someone’s house and try to murder them because of a little jealousy (looking at you Aqua in Castle of Dreams).
Terra's faith in the good of others as a character trait is mistaken for him being slow. He is kind to a detrimental fault, but that does not make him unintelligent.
He also has the misfortune to meet villains first, so him giving them the benefit of the doubt is mistaken for him being tricked by them and when they’re often his first source of information. We know the source material so we know who the bad guys are but the trio don’t, and I don’t see a pile of Disney VHS tapes and DVDs lying around in the Land of Departure.
The Maleficent scene is fun because it's the only time someone actually has what amounts to a nice chat with her. There's not indication that she's being manipulative yet, although she is, they're just bullshitting about the Unversed. It's just "Hi. I'm Terra" "Hey, I'm Maleficent" "Do you know why these monsters are showing up?" "Didn't give it much thought, they aren't bothering me." "They do suck don't they, lol"
I hate that people think Terra is foolish for giving into the darkness when it's literally part of the reason why he propelled his power so far and became the solid rock we all know him as. Xehanort abusing Terra's darkness was such a convenience that Terra mostly just got screwed by a loophole lol
People tend to see naive characters as dumb solely because they wouldnt know any better. As far as we know, Terra has lived his entire life on the land of departure, so a lot of his interactions are coming from a place of naivete and trust. He has never been deceived or tricked before by people, so why would he be expecting it? Both Terra and Aqua were more than likely over protected by Erauqs and never really developed the social skills needed to recognized deceit, and we can see from their interactions with other characters, they seem to be rather socially awkward, which is contrasted by Ven who seems to be a lot more socially capable than them despite being "younger".
Terra wasn't stupid, he just thought the people he came across he could trust and they manipulated him. Terra I think tried to see the good as well in others but they took advantage of the darkness in his heart.
I'm late in commenting this but I'm so glad to see videos where people defending Terra. Since I played his story I never saw him as stupid rlly, especially with the context on how he spend most his life only in Land of Departure and not much social interaction with Eraqus and Aqua Ven. Aside from that, we do have to admit BBS is too short of a game for exploring 3 characters. And tbh I would be more tolerate to people making fun of Terra's idiocy if people didn't workship Aqua too muchb😭 All 3 wayfinder trios has their fault but Aqua always seems like to be right one for most people, which annoyed me.
Every character ever made has flaws even if ones persona is suppose to be perfect but it's the misinterpreting community that likes to dawg on all the wrong things and it isn't fair for kingdom hearts as a game it's characters or the plot wish more people got out of that 2005 faze where the plot was confusing meme would be erased 😂
To expand on the Hook point, Terra does afterward trick Hook into letting him free Tinker Bell. So in the end, who was the real idiot between them? Also, to expand on Hades, it was clear that Terra wasn't succumbing to darkness - which is what Hades really wanted. So he tried to brute-force him toward it by controlling Zack, but even that failed.
Terra judges by actions, not by looks. I often have to remind people in the fandoms I'm in that you have to have an in-universe reason to hate the villain if you want to interact with it story-wise, not from the stance of an audience member. By using an audience's view with an OC is just metagaming, something I've come to hate when telling stories. The character is not supposed to know things the reader is or you destroy the story. I just recently rewatched KH-BBS compilation and felt that the game didn't do Terra justice on a few fronts, but all-in-all, he's being told what he wants by the villains like Riku but is finding out that they're not what they seem the hard way. Granted, he could have been a bit suspicious here and there, but he's just a good guy trying to do what he was told. Honestly, from an in-game standpoint, yeah, I'd trust Xehanort with my life because of my master. Why wouldn't I? He's just an old goth guy with knowledge of things that could help.
Terra Is Just Like Anakin, misguided By People Of Higher Power In Society & Told Him What He Wanted To Hear. Anakin Wanted To Save Padme & Terra Wanted To Control The Darkness & Xahanort Had The Knowledge To Do So.
Terra never deserved the hate he got to be honest and it was way unwarranted. Like the whole thing with "Oh how could he trust Xehanort, the guy is obviously evil!!" Okay then... but Terra didn't know that? Why aren't we blaming the 'wise Masters' who knew fully well that Xehanort was using darkness and up to shady shit, who let Xehanort watch the exam years after he attacked and mutilated Eraqus with darkness? Why didn't Eraqus say anything?? Why did he let Terra, who had clear issues with darkness, be around a guy like that? Why did Yen Sid, who claimed he "should not assume" not say ANYTHING? Blame Eraqus and Yen Sid, not Terra. Terra was a victim who trusted a man that his master/father trusted despite having every reason not to.
I just thought, too - Terra, during that "trapped Xehanort" scene, had just discovered one of his closest friends was told to keep an eye on him because he was assumed to be toying with Darkness. Perhaps he was so upset at this news that he didn't think clearly, and almost wanted to prove "no, the Darkness doesn't have a hold on me - see? I'm saving Master Xehanort!". Regardless, I don't necessarily even think him falling for it was dumb - even if Master Xehanort was extremely powerful, Terra doesn't know HOW much so or how powerful Braig might have been; as you said, he doesn't judge a book by its cover, so perhaps he believed that, despite Braig's "average-joe" appearance, he was powerful enough to overpower Xehanort. Either way, the poor guy really does get an unfair amount of hatred sent his way 😭 always nice to see a defence of Terra video
Thank you so much it means a lot and you're right seriously I'm glad I could flesh it out for you guy's in some sense. Also my bad replies through my comment sections aren't always notifying me and I come back and check every so often
It’s funny how people go to ‘these characters look evil so that must mean they are’ because basically every character in the KH universe doesn’t care about appearances. They only don’t trust a character when there is a proper reason to, Sora doesn’t trust the Org 13 because of their goals and with Roxas’ subconscious in Sora he has a bigger reason to hate their guts it’s not because ‘they look evil’. It’s what’s in the person’s heart that matters
I think a big problem is people looking too much from their own perspective instead of trying to see things from terra’s like we obviously know some of these characters are evil. But Terra wouldn’t automatically assume that because most of the time at first glance he has no reason to
Frankly people understanding that Terra isn't stupid as for some reason people claimed he was just seems like KH fans actually growing up after all this time. Granted I didn't think Terra was ever dumb, I just didn't pay much attention to him in my first playthrough. The game itself tried to present him as impulsive and at first I was just listening to the story as it was told. Only during probably my first Aqua playthrough that I realized that what the characters themselves tried to say about Terra wasn't even true. From then on, every time I played as Terra I ony noticed how level-headed he was.
Dude this was so short and simple and yet you picked it perfectly I'm sure other's will have their own opinions on It but I swear terra did nothing wrong that's on baby jesus!
I always liked Terra. He's tied with Roxas as my favorite character. I guess I like characters that struggle with some form darkness... literal or metaphysical.
Weirdly enough as you say this it makes me wonder if terra just always had darkness in him to begin with or if it was passed down to him I know for sure xehanort amped it but still leads to speculation
The hate and criticism towards Terra reminds of the way the final fantasy community treated Snow Villiers for years. People just don't like the character, so the critics do everything in their power to ignore nuances of how the character is portrayed in their story. The scenes where the characters look stupid only makes sense when you cut out the full context of the event taking place.
Yes every single time. Snow could only be labeled as some sort of simp or “big idiot cause he only dove head first” people can unfortunately only see one dimension of something sometimes and I hate that i completely understand
Basically Terra's low IQ plays is because, he's gullible, easily gaslit, and doesnt look at someone and go "that guy/gal evil because of how they look". So... hes kind and not like most people irl
Yeah but it doesn’t make him so much of gullible it’s more so the fact he’s tried to give anybody a chance for the cosmology of the verse and it’s sake
bro I freaking love terra and hated most of the fandom hates on him for being "stupid" like it different story if he had willing used his darkness on aqua to win where their master would be right over his eagerness to win at all cost to be a master but he held it back not wanted to hurt his friend not to mention he never once used his darkness to hurt others plus rightfully be upset he was hurt to find out his master not only didn't trust him to face darkness but got aqua to spy on him in turn cause an drift in their friendship but despite that he never stop caring about her or ven honestly terra deserve better I'm so glad there more people beside me that don't hate on terra for his flaws
So with encountering Maleficent, Terra did not trust her, but he did not initially view her as a villain either. While the latter makes him look like a dumbass, keep in mind, he's never watched Disney movies. I'm not even sure if movies are a thing yet in that universe. So he would have no idea if Maleficent is evil or not until she did something. And since she was the first person he encountered and all worlds are different, he could have assumed that everyone looks like Maleficent. With Snow White, yeah, as said in the video, he investigates Snow White, can clearly see she's not evil in any way, and then goes back to tell the queen "fuck off, give me the answers". As for talking with Xehanort, Eraqus called him an old friend. While we the audience already know he's the villain, the characters don't know that, except Eraqus and Yen Sid I guess. And Xehanort is good at manipulation. When dealing with Hades, while Hades has made some valid points that I'm sure Terra recognizes, at no point does Terra really trust Hades. As for Captain Hook, clearly Terra doesn't want to automatically assume all pirates are bad. Afterall, he did just see Captain Hook be attacked by Unversed. Also Aqua has been of little help in the situation. One moment she defends Terra when he's not around, and the next, she's confronting him with info she's taken at face value without giving him a chance to defend himself. Not to mention Eraqus having a fear/hatred of the dark. Terra and Aqua are basically subversions of their archetypes. Terra is the strong one, yet he thinks things through most of the time before acting. Aqua on the other hand is more impulsive, despite being a mage-type. So yeah, I also believe that Terra is smarter than he's given credit for.
Personally I never thought that Terra was stupid, there is a difference between being naive and being stupid. As far as I'm aware Terra and Aqua have lived in 1 world most if not all of their life, so I think it's understandable that his knowledge is limited on certain things. Not to mention when Xehanort was doing his evil villain faces he only did it during times when either nobody was looking at him or when he had his back turn to them. Not to mention Xehanort manipulated Terra by poking at his insecurities and saying the things that Terra wanted to hear so I think it's understandable how that would influence his judgment. Terra in general is a good natured dude, he even felt responsible for his master's death even though he wasn't the one responsible for it happening. Terra is just a good dude who made some mistakes along the way, but let's be real here he's not the only one.
The whole 'you can tell their evil just by looking at them' thing has always been silly to me. Most works of fiction don't have characters recognize a villain just by looking at them. Villains traditionally sharing some traits to set them apart from other characters, such as unnatural skin colours or deformities has generally been more for the audiences sake. I don't know why people berate Terra for this specifically when you could say the same thing for a million different fictional characters. Besides, he's visiting worlds he knows nothing about, how's he to know what's normal and what's not? Should Sora have committed mass genocide at the Monsters Inc world because everyone looks like, well, a monster? And yes, I realize he did draw his keyblade when he first saw Mike and Sully, but that only proves that judging from appearances is stupid in the KH universe. (Edit: Actually, IIRC, he drew his keyblade after seeing Donald and Goofy in their monster forms, but the point still stands.) And I think the worst bit of criticism I often see thrown Terra's way is that he was stupid for allowing Xehanort to trick him into weakening Eraqus, and they talk like Eraqus' death was his fault. Like, what did you want him to do? Just sit back and watch Eraqus kill Ventus for something out of his control? Besides, after he intervened to save Ven the first thing he did was try to talk things through with Eraqus. It was Eraqus who turned to violence first, of course Terra would defend himself. Begrudgingly, I might add. Eraqus himself admits that he had been in the wrong, that he shouldn't have tried to end Ventus and that he failed the both of them as their master. Honestly, I'm not sure anyone who blames Terra for Eraqus' death has the right to be calling anyone in this game stupid...
Exactly I don't understand why people just write him out to be this way he didn't know what was ahead of him that's why we all have learning experiences some we prevail in without flaw and some we run into a bumpy road and that's what makes us human in the first place terra was just giving the benefit of the doubt to most thing's he ran into just to be kind because he also has to protect the world order and can't just over abuse the powers he has
@@jeanvictor8178 evil queen doesn’t say her name and maleficent doesn’t just automatically make you evil because you have a name that’s like saying doom guy is evil cause he kills hell monsters but in fact he saves the entire planet from destruction
@@Final_RPG but nobody calls him doom guy in the games In the older games they call him marine and in the new ones they call him doom slayer ,wich isn't evil But maleficent is A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CASE
@@jeanvictor8178 not really? Lol doom slayer is just as evil sounding especially with him constantly having blood over his body I’m sure if you were to interact with him you would see him immediately as a threat
Even a master can slip up or be caught off guard not to mention the first thing Terra said to Braig about him capturing Xehanort is that “there’s no way he’d be caught by a thug like you.” Further more not only did Braig show that he has the ability to control space in that battle but form Terra’s point of view who knows what level of trickery Braig used to subdue Xehanort or what kind of magic is being used to hold the chains in place Obviously as a 4th wall viewer it’s easy to say oh Terra is so gullible cuz it’s clear to the player that Xehanort laid a convincing trap but form Terra’s perspective how can he not be concerned about what he’s literally witnessing especially considering Xehanort was the only one that kinda vogued for him & he looked up to despite his ulterior motive to do so That’s the point, it was a ploy set by Xehanort form the start, this doesn’t make Terra stupid or gullible, it was his sincerity that caused most of his downfall, especially when he eliminated Eriqus in order to protect Ventus, yes he used the darkness but his drive to do so came form a place of light I’d argue that he’s even better then Riku when in comes to relations to the darkness cuz sure Riku was able to overcome the darkness in a way where he didn’t fall into the darkness however Maleficent made it clear to Riku that she was evil & bribed him with the promise of Kairi’s heart & control over the darkness Maleficent couldn’t even resort Kairi’s heart in the end cuz it was inside Sora & his heart is filled with light that she can’t even see let alone control, unlike telling have truths to Terra like how Flora put the denizens of the castle to sleep but not even explaining it was due to her action that the fairy had to subdue them, controlling him Jedi mind trick style just to capture Aurora’s heart & blatantly deceiving him with false intentions of a greater good like Xehanort did & her relations to him & my god I could go on thou far as I’m concerned everything else in your video rings true but if you can’t see anything in defence of Terra in that Radiant Garden section of the timeline then I urge you to replay or rewatch it cuz there is a lot of context provided that proves it was a matter outta Terra’s hands due to Xehanort having played him like a puppet & using other forces of evil to perpetuate the ruse
I honestly hate to say this cuz I try my best to give every retrospective created a fair shake & judge them by their own merit, not comparing them to others however I’m so sick & tired of this Terra’s gullible narrative that I have to Honestly your not wrong by anything ya said thou Dorked & MisterDJ - MDJ provided a more constructive & in depth analysis on Terra & how a lot of the events that played out where more or less outta his control due to how he felt & some of the things he might have been thinking at that moment But not only that & lastly no one should forget that the sacrifices of the Brith by sleep trio where the only reason that Sora & Riku where relevant & able to complete their journey in succession
@@Lapis_Pylosiphorum Thank you for comparing me and contrasting me to other TH-camrs that have a larger margin of subs and videos compared to where I’ve collectively have made legitimately only about 20 videos with the rest not being voiced out. But anyways I don’t think you should ever say I hate to say this then continue forward it isn’t even criticism it’s just kinda rude. But I digress thanks for sharing I’ll do better
@@Final_RPG pep-eve yes however I don’t wanna list every single instance where Terra is kinda a victim of 2 extremes, not only have I done so on other channels(even ones with smaller followings such as yours)but I’ve a hard time stoping once I get started due to my hyper analytical nature but if you do feel I should then I will add more paragraphs breaking down the details even further so yes I hate having not judge you on your own merit thou I will do so as to refer you to others that has covered the topic in a more effective manor Thou if you had heard me out fully then you do understand despite my hypocrisy in my 8th paragraph, it was not from a place of malcontent or spite, your message is incomplete & there are others out there that can explain it better then myself thou I can try if that helps you to feel more content in the conviction of my words I doubt that much matters to ya thou so no point in being envious of others you can easily learn form, expand your perception & grow beyond & again I will reiterate my 7th paragraph, apart form what you said in the Radiant Garden section, everything you had said was spot on I at least watched start to finish😩 Just really passionate about Kingdom Hearts, so again… I will say I hate having not taken you for your own merit alone & appreciate ya stating you will strive to do better despite me only flustered at one aspect of your video, but please take it as a complement that I compared you to larger channels & only did so because I kinda care about the context regarded in the content of this topic at hand, not like I dropped a video link or anything & maybe ya heard em & already seen their takes on Terra IDK just assuming you didn’t as this retrospect was so close but just so happened to miss the mark with me at the end, not to mention ya don’t need to watch their takes to understand it as the first I suggested was replaying the game or watching the cutscenes as I feel there is more then enough context in the game it’s self to collaborate my points & anyone that understands it should be able to draw these conclusions on their own So it’s a 9/10 IMO & until ya brought up Radiant Garden it would’ve been a 10/10 seriously, even if you had said nothing regarding it I was content & agreed with all the points you had brought up & your video format is fine enough by me to keep me form clicking off Plus this isn’t the first video I watch on your channel despite me only running into it recently however this is the only video I left a comment & this comment may be extremely negative in nature thou just like Terra it’s form a place of compassion & the will to care comes form a place of light not darkness I’m just exhausted at rehashing the same arguments especially when I found others that can explain it folds better then I can & don’t get me wrong I actually like Terra but I wouldn’t even consider him close to my favourite KH character especially outta the BBS trio, just sick of seeing him get the short stick on public perception when most all his actions can be easily justified
@@Final_RPG I assumed as much & forgot to mention by no means did I think it was a bad take, just was almost perfect to me so I kinda triggered my impulse😅 Best of luck moving forward G, & I’d rather ya share your point of view rather then not, I just differ form you a bit on the topic of Terra, I mean I know he’s not a saint but he’s not as bad as most make him out to seam, glad ya at least defended his honour & I should’ve said that last part first💯
This specific problem isn't in Terra, it's a problem in presentation.The writing and framing is loudly melodramatic to us, but Xehanort in the KH universe, is just a respected old guy, not a giant anime villain. In our universe, we can see his obvious villain tropes because the author wants the audience to know he's a villain, not the characters. It's a genuine flaw on the developer's part that the game turned out this way, but there's a storytelling language here they are using. They just fumbled the bag hard on that execution.
When it comes to a character being dumb in BBS, I don't think of Terra at all cuz him trusting master Xehanort is very understandable cuz he makes valid points about the light and darkness and how balance is key(Riku is the evidence of that) and as the BEST FRIEND of master eraqus, why SHOULDN'T they trust him? And he always coincidentally meets the bad guy without knowing that they are the bad guy and would never follow them again once he realizes their sinister motives, like the queen from snow white. But when I think of anyone being stupid in this game, I think of Eraqus and maybe Aqua. There are two things about Aqua that makes me groan, one is she acuses terra of all the bs that he didn't even do when she did not even see and only heard all the bs that happened so she had no reason to doubt him in the first place and created an unnecessary drama for terra and eraqus. If anything, it's Ventus that has the reason to doubt terra simply cuz terra blatantly ignored his concerns for him before he leaves the land of departure. Two is saving terranort from the realm of darkness, she is one of the reasons why kh1 or the entire timeline after bbs happened and why the emblem heartless still continue to exist cuz xehanort is still in control of terra's body. Thank god she was fixed in 0.2 or else I still would not like her Eraqus is just an absolute headache. First off, his "light good, darkness bad" mentality is just not a good quality for a master cuz he rejects the other side of the coin, which should be a natural balance, no wonder terra failed the mark of mastery exam, he is always doomed to fail for having darkness unlike aqua and ven. Second, he was literally going to kill ven for finding out about the x blade and how ven is a part of it(melody of memory can go stfu retconning this scene for changing the "kill" to "seal") instead of y'know, SOLVING THE PROBLEM BY TALKING IT OUT. Last is also solving the problem by talking it out but with his BEST FRIEND Xehanort. Really now, after a few words with xehanort, what does eraqus do? Combat ofc. I swear to god, none of the characters in this game talk to each other like a normal person. Not only do I hate both his boss fights for his random staggers, random guards and random counters and especially his frame 1 bullshit stuff but I also hate him in the story. Finally him and xehanort are completely gone after kh3 (not counting dark road)
I can totally understand why eraqus wanted ven to cease to exist cause then literally all of creations would be absolutely doomed and it’s probably one of the hardest choices to make which is very very dark just to say btw. But I also know why terra saved him sure he didn’t know he was part of the xblade but still it’s like his brother and I understood every reason the choices terra made especially going to different universes they were all absolutely valid and plausible!
She helped Terranort because she thought that if there was a chance Terra can retake his body, it was a chance worth taking. We may have left him to rot in the RoD with the knowledge we have now, but Aqua cared about Terra.
*Was* Aqua "fixed" though? Because from what I could tell, she still acted the same as she did in BBS, just more traumatized & mopey. Does 0.2 or KH3 actually address and/or acknowledge the part she played in bringing Xehanort's plans to fruition, as well as screwing herself & her friends over, or does she still just blame *"The Darkness"* for everything? I'm genuinely asking because it feels like I'm missing something, here. As for Eraques... yeah, there's no excuse.
He seems more sheltered than stupid. Thinking about it, Eraqus likely treated him and Aqua the same as he did Ventus. Training them only in the Land of Departure and never letting them experience the outside world. So he has no idea what people from other worlds are like. I will say it is frustrating how often he gives people the benefit of the doubt instead of erring on the side of caution, especially after what he thinks he did to Aurora, but overall I see him as being kind, trusting, and sheltered. He tries not to judge people too quickly and more often than not he manages to make the right choice. Except in Neverland, no idea how he fell for that "light" bs Hook fed him.
If Terra knew what was going to happen next then he would have avoided alot of bs. Most of the faults and conflict were Maleficent and Xehanort’s doing.
I've always associated their behaviors and decisions based on their elements. Terra: Earth Aqua: Water Ventus: Sky Lea: Fire ....eh, Goofy?: Heart! With their powers combined they create CAPTAIN PLANET! I am so sorry.
They do have a lot of meanings Donald actually means ruler of all worlds and goofy means gift from god and sora means sky kairi means sea and Riku means land. Xion is number I and roxas is just backwards for sora obviously lol
Terra messed up. That isn’t anything new or ground breaking because everyone in BBS did to some degree. Terra wasn't even the worst offender that would be Eraquis. We know Xehanort sent Vanitas to spy on the group multiple times before the game started. He used Eraquis to get a recomendation to the group. Manipulated them into a situation where their communication would fracture because their relationships were in flux. Terra has a hero complex. He needs to be the strongest so he can protect those around him. Aqua being made a Master when he wasn't was a blow to him. He didn’t become violet about that which is massively in his favor. He instead set out to prove himself and was manipulated by a person who used the truth as a weapon (Maleficent). He now has failed again to control his darkness and spends his next two worlds trying his best to do better. He even in his last disney world of this section is able to meet up again with Aqua. Everything looks up when he gets advice and completes his mission of finding Xehanort. Then Radiant garden happens with Aqua now questioning everything Terra has done. This only feeds into his fear of losing everything he has. Then Xehanort is supposively captured which even Terra questions but figures it doesn’t hurt to check. Terra is vulnerable here Xehanort knows that and abuses the trust Eraquis' introduction instilled in Terra. Xehanort has played the cards of accepting mistakes, accepting darkness is a part of everyone and that there is a place Terra can belong. Past this point Terra is doing his best to follow his mission of beating the unversed and Vanitas while getting his darkness under control. Land of departure is all about the communication breakdown that has existed between everyone. Terra goes there to stop Ventus from making a massive mistake. Fights Eraquis to stop him from killing his brother figure and then watches as Xehanort kills Eraquis. Right after this is the Keyblade graveyard where a grieving and pissed off Terra is facing the man who killed his father figure, ruined his friends' life and betrayed his trust. I can’t blame Terra for any part of his actions in the graveyard as well... the Wayfinder Trio really didn’t screw up here. Past this point Terra is just fighting Xehanort to regain control of his body until KH3. You can debate Aqua messed up royally in the aftermath of her fight with Terranort but we have no roadmap for how that reality would play out.
That’s the point. He isn’t stupid intelligent wise like a moron, but he’s still stupid considering how he chose to act. There’s a fine line between them. He was driven by his ego and complex and that made him blind and vulnerable aka stupid.
I think the real problem is that he keeps doing it (giving the benefit of the dought) and there's no "arc" to see him, like, be more defensive Though my personal problem woth Terra is that he doesn't really care... he seems very passive to me
sadly,I've only gotten to play kingdom hearts,kingdom hearts 2 and kingdom hearts re chain of memories,I never got to play the other kingdom hearts games and it feel awful as a fan,why didn't I get the other games? cause I don't have ps 3,or ps 4 or ps 5,my family wouldn't allow me to get them cause the consoles are super expensive,qhich makes me hate money even more,never got the 3 ds games ethier for KH ;-; so I missed out on alot of KH games ;-; so not knowing anything about terra feels off....
I'm sorry maybe one of these days you'll be able to play the rest I'm sure of it you just need to grind on some work and you'll be able to man for sure
The story didn’t fail I mean you can just say you didn’t like it that’s fine but the game was a success and some people consider it as their favorite and this video is suppose to show the other dimension to his character now you can see the other perspective now
Also the story did pretty well of conveying his feelings and emotions to how he was so trusting and nice to people and wanting life expanded upon horizons but to many people were filled with darkness in a literal sense an actual corruption and not just evil basic intentions. So it was hard for him to gauge what these situations held
@@Final_RPG people can love a game and story still may fail on its aspects. If people are "biased" towards Terra in such a large scale then the story failed to deliver his character arc right, for him to not be seen stupid. Something like this cannot come out of nowhere and must have a basis somewhere along the way.
For example as a writer if people have a completely different image of my character, then that means i failed to convey that character correctly. Or if nobody understood the implications of my plot twists that means i wasn't able to showcase the stakes.
I’m terms of intelligence I assume you’re asking. Or maybe i’m wrong maybe you mean as a character. Well to cover both I guess sora wasn’t very dumb he just had moments where he was head first kind of guy and that doesn’t make you dumb exactly. And the other hand sora even before going to take the exam he tells yensid he’s saying what he said because it’s a formality which is true sora and Riku have proven themselves time and time again on there lonesome without any guidance from a keyblade master. This is why I believe sora was not taking the exam as serious and as well sora was nerfed twice due to having his self reduced in age for the exam and also having darkness in him from the sigil on his clothing. The reasoning of why Riku was serious was more so because he was still battling the darkness and he wanted to finally rid and it and make a new which is also why he cut his hair very short cause people in Japan when someone dies or when they start a new they cut there hair as a fresh start to the new path ahead and sora in kh 2 had his cocky moments and they kinda drew along to ddd but overall I love the man he’s very helpful in any means even if does mean to sacrifice himself for everyone to live and that’s a true hero. Not everyone is perfect and that is okay
Listen I love Gio to death but he played bbs so long ago and he probably got these thoughts from when he first played especially with everyone clowning on terra at the time everyone kinda hopped on the hate train and I see why but in serious note I don’t think he truly hates him overall
@@Final_RPG Yeah it's just a funny meme, but I can see why people think he's dumb. Like certain scenes can be sued to fuel the fire to make a meme funnier, you'll see memes about characters in many series and fandoms
@@MementoDespair oh 100 percent. It’s been driven to the point where people make videos like there’s only so people can learn about the physiological factors
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He's innocent and genuine, most properly trained keyblade warriors seem to be like that
Most the time until you flip there switch
Eraqus, despite knowing that Xehanort had interests in darkness and the Keyblade War did present Xehanort to his students as his peer who brought Ventus to the Land of Departure and oversaw Terra and Aqua’s Mark of Mastery exam with Eraqus. To the three, certainly Terra and Aqua, Master Xehanort was above board. Xehanort played everyone, even Eraqus who should have known better, so that he can manipulate Terra doesn’t make Terra as stupid as people think he is. Even Aqua, who wasn’t part of the plan, played into Xehanort’s hands by driving Terra and Ventus away in Radiant Garden.
In defence of the waterworks scene Terra has just come off of a fight with Aqua where she’s straight up said she’s acting as an agent for Eraqus in observing him, that neither his Master or friend trust him and he’s not taking seriously that Ven is on his side. Terra isn’t thinking clearly and Xehanort is the one person he sees as in his corner who can help him. That he’s tapping into darkness shows he’s acting on something more primal and isn’t listening to his inner Akbar in that it’s a trap.
Exactly 💯 I agree with ya
I have to wonder why people who say Terra is dumb never give Ven flak for never telling anyone about Vanitas or Aqua just taking Maleficent at her word that Terra did something bad without any details.
Ven just wanted to protect his friends from vanitas and he did try to tell terra and aqua she didn’t wanna believe her just when she her from yensid the news about the death of eraqus but they have there own moments to but none of them are “dumb” i agree
At least Terra didn’t attempt to barge into someone’s house and try to murder them because of a little jealousy (looking at you Aqua in Castle of Dreams).
Lol now way 💀😂
Terra's faith in the good of others as a character trait is mistaken for him being slow. He is kind to a detrimental fault, but that does not make him unintelligent.
Exactly 💯💯💯 people need to see the other sides of the dimensions to these characters…
He also has the misfortune to meet villains first, so him giving them the benefit of the doubt is mistaken for him being tricked by them and when they’re often his first source of information. We know the source material so we know who the bad guys are but the trio don’t, and I don’t see a pile of Disney VHS tapes and DVDs lying around in the Land of Departure.
@@jbcatz5 dead ass
The Maleficent scene is fun because it's the only time someone actually has what amounts to a nice chat with her. There's not indication that she's being manipulative yet, although she is, they're just bullshitting about the Unversed. It's just "Hi. I'm Terra" "Hey, I'm Maleficent" "Do you know why these monsters are showing up?" "Didn't give it much thought, they aren't bothering me." "They do suck don't they, lol"
I have literally never seen her try to be nice except I guess those moments in kh2 Lmao
If terra is stupid then most hero's going through their journeys are as well terra seems like a hero's downfall story only to rise again in the end
I feel you 💯 I see it the same
I hate that people think Terra is foolish for giving into the darkness when it's literally part of the reason why he propelled his power so far and became the solid rock we all know him as. Xehanort abusing Terra's darkness was such a convenience that Terra mostly just got screwed by a loophole lol
Because they really had to do him dirty 😭
Yeah, he really deserved better! I'm just glad KH3 mostly makes up for it
First five seconds " Terra is not stupid"
Liked.
Lmfao I'm sorry the first bit was a little cringe but it's okay though 🤣
Terra has an innocent heart he gives everyone the benefit of the doubt ❤
People tend to see naive characters as dumb solely because they wouldnt know any better. As far as we know, Terra has lived his entire life on the land of departure, so a lot of his interactions are coming from a place of naivete and trust. He has never been deceived or tricked before by people, so why would he be expecting it? Both Terra and Aqua were more than likely over protected by Erauqs and never really developed the social skills needed to recognized deceit, and we can see from their interactions with other characters, they seem to be rather socially awkward, which is contrasted by Ven who seems to be a lot more socially capable than them despite being "younger".
Terra wasn't stupid, he just thought the people he came across he could trust and they manipulated him. Terra I think tried to see the good as well in others but they took advantage of the darkness in his heart.
10000% percent no question never judged a single book by it’s cover
I'm late in commenting this but I'm so glad to see videos where people defending Terra. Since I played his story I never saw him as stupid rlly, especially with the context on how he spend most his life only in Land of Departure and not much social interaction with Eraqus and Aqua Ven. Aside from that, we do have to admit BBS is too short of a game for exploring 3 characters.
And tbh I would be more tolerate to people making fun of Terra's idiocy if people didn't workship Aqua too muchb😭 All 3 wayfinder trios has their fault but Aqua always seems like to be right one for most people, which annoyed me.
Every character ever made has flaws even if ones persona is suppose to be perfect but it's the misinterpreting community that likes to dawg on all the wrong things and it isn't fair for kingdom hearts as a game it's characters or the plot wish more people got out of that 2005 faze where the plot was confusing meme would be erased 😂
To expand on the Hook point, Terra does afterward trick Hook into letting him free Tinker Bell. So in the end, who was the real idiot between them?
Also, to expand on Hades, it was clear that Terra wasn't succumbing to darkness - which is what Hades really wanted. So he tried to brute-force him toward it by controlling Zack, but even that failed.
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Terra judges by actions, not by looks. I often have to remind people in the fandoms I'm in that you have to have an in-universe reason to hate the villain if you want to interact with it story-wise, not from the stance of an audience member. By using an audience's view with an OC is just metagaming, something I've come to hate when telling stories. The character is not supposed to know things the reader is or you destroy the story.
I just recently rewatched KH-BBS compilation and felt that the game didn't do Terra justice on a few fronts, but all-in-all, he's being told what he wants by the villains like Riku but is finding out that they're not what they seem the hard way. Granted, he could have been a bit suspicious here and there, but he's just a good guy trying to do what he was told.
Honestly, from an in-game standpoint, yeah, I'd trust Xehanort with my life because of my master. Why wouldn't I? He's just an old goth guy with knowledge of things that could help.
Exactly my point I’m glad you agree homie
Terra Is Just Like Anakin, misguided By People Of Higher Power In Society & Told Him What He Wanted To Hear. Anakin Wanted To Save Padme & Terra Wanted To Control The Darkness & Xahanort Had The Knowledge To Do So.
I heard one guy say this and explained my beliefs about him and managed to turn him into a terra lover.
Good we need more appreciation for the man
Terra never deserved the hate he got to be honest and it was way unwarranted. Like the whole thing with "Oh how could he trust Xehanort, the guy is obviously evil!!" Okay then... but Terra didn't know that? Why aren't we blaming the 'wise Masters' who knew fully well that Xehanort was using darkness and up to shady shit, who let Xehanort watch the exam years after he attacked and mutilated Eraqus with darkness? Why didn't Eraqus say anything?? Why did he let Terra, who had clear issues with darkness, be around a guy like that? Why did Yen Sid, who claimed he "should not assume" not say ANYTHING? Blame Eraqus and Yen Sid, not Terra. Terra was a victim who trusted a man that his master/father trusted despite having every reason not to.
I think this is an interesting perspective to have.
Never really thought about how Terra is just a nice guy who doesn't judge people right away.
Glad I could make you see the other side of who he is
People calling Terra oblivious or an idiot makes my Rage Awakened. 😂
Glad to see someone else who knows what's up!
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I just thought, too - Terra, during that "trapped Xehanort" scene, had just discovered one of his closest friends was told to keep an eye on him because he was assumed to be toying with Darkness. Perhaps he was so upset at this news that he didn't think clearly, and almost wanted to prove "no, the Darkness doesn't have a hold on me - see? I'm saving Master Xehanort!".
Regardless, I don't necessarily even think him falling for it was dumb - even if Master Xehanort was extremely powerful, Terra doesn't know HOW much so or how powerful Braig might have been; as you said, he doesn't judge a book by its cover, so perhaps he believed that, despite Braig's "average-joe" appearance, he was powerful enough to overpower Xehanort.
Either way, the poor guy really does get an unfair amount of hatred sent his way 😭 always nice to see a defence of Terra video
Thank you so much it means a lot and you're right seriously I'm glad I could flesh it out for you guy's in some sense. Also my bad replies through my comment sections aren't always notifying me and I come back and check every so often
It’s funny how people go to ‘these characters look evil so that must mean they are’ because basically every character in the KH universe doesn’t care about appearances. They only don’t trust a character when there is a proper reason to, Sora doesn’t trust the Org 13 because of their goals and with Roxas’ subconscious in Sora he has a bigger reason to hate their guts it’s not because ‘they look evil’. It’s what’s in the person’s heart that matters
Yes seriously loll
I think a big problem is people looking too much from their own perspective instead of trying to see things from terra’s like we obviously know some of these characters are evil. But Terra wouldn’t automatically assume that because most of the time at first glance he has no reason to
Frankly people understanding that Terra isn't stupid as for some reason people claimed he was just seems like KH fans actually growing up after all this time. Granted I didn't think Terra was ever dumb, I just didn't pay much attention to him in my first playthrough. The game itself tried to present him as impulsive and at first I was just listening to the story as it was told. Only during probably my first Aqua playthrough that I realized that what the characters themselves tried to say about Terra wasn't even true. From then on, every time I played as Terra I ony noticed how level-headed he was.
thats a great way of seeing it glad you didnt fall into the banwagon of it all
Dude this was so short and simple and yet you picked it perfectly I'm sure other's will have their own opinions on It but I swear terra did nothing wrong that's on baby jesus!
I’m glad you liked it! I second to your quote loll
I always liked Terra. He's tied with Roxas as my favorite character. I guess I like characters that struggle with some form darkness... literal or metaphysical.
I would assume you go the same for Riku as well and there’s nothing wrong with that they’re all great characters
terra is my favorite character
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"The darkness... where did it come from?" Terra
Weirdly enough as you say this it makes me wonder if terra just always had darkness in him to begin with or if it was passed down to him I know for sure xehanort amped it but still leads to speculation
The hate and criticism towards Terra reminds of the way the final fantasy community treated Snow Villiers for years. People just don't like the character, so the critics do everything in their power to ignore nuances of how the character is portrayed in their story. The scenes where the characters look stupid only makes sense when you cut out the full context of the event taking place.
Yes every single time. Snow could only be labeled as some sort of simp or “big idiot cause he only dove head first” people can unfortunately only see one dimension of something sometimes and I hate that i completely understand
Basically Terra's low IQ plays is because, he's gullible, easily gaslit, and doesnt look at someone and go "that guy/gal evil because of how they look". So... hes kind and not like most people irl
Yeah but it doesn’t make him so much of gullible it’s more so the fact he’s tried to give anybody a chance for the cosmology of the verse and it’s sake
Most of the fault was Maleficent and Xehanort. They used Terra without his knowledge. So it wasn't his fault.
bro I freaking love terra and hated most of the fandom hates on him for being "stupid" like it different story if he had willing used his darkness on aqua to win where their master would be right over his eagerness to win at all cost to be a master but he held it back not wanted to hurt his friend not to mention he never once used his darkness to hurt others plus rightfully be upset he was hurt to find out his master not only didn't trust him to face darkness but got aqua to spy on him in turn cause an drift in their friendship but despite that he never stop caring about her or ven honestly terra deserve better I'm so glad there more people beside me that don't hate on terra for his flaws
So with encountering Maleficent, Terra did not trust her, but he did not initially view her as a villain either. While the latter makes him look like a dumbass, keep in mind, he's never watched Disney movies. I'm not even sure if movies are a thing yet in that universe. So he would have no idea if Maleficent is evil or not until she did something. And since she was the first person he encountered and all worlds are different, he could have assumed that everyone looks like Maleficent.
With Snow White, yeah, as said in the video, he investigates Snow White, can clearly see she's not evil in any way, and then goes back to tell the queen "fuck off, give me the answers".
As for talking with Xehanort, Eraqus called him an old friend. While we the audience already know he's the villain, the characters don't know that, except Eraqus and Yen Sid I guess. And Xehanort is good at manipulation.
When dealing with Hades, while Hades has made some valid points that I'm sure Terra recognizes, at no point does Terra really trust Hades.
As for Captain Hook, clearly Terra doesn't want to automatically assume all pirates are bad. Afterall, he did just see Captain Hook be attacked by Unversed.
Also Aqua has been of little help in the situation. One moment she defends Terra when he's not around, and the next, she's confronting him with info she's taken at face value without giving him a chance to defend himself. Not to mention Eraqus having a fear/hatred of the dark. Terra and Aqua are basically subversions of their archetypes. Terra is the strong one, yet he thinks things through most of the time before acting. Aqua on the other hand is more impulsive, despite being a mage-type.
So yeah, I also believe that Terra is smarter than he's given credit for.
Thank you! Loll literally thank you so much I was kinda worried making this video thinking it would blow up in rage
Personally I never thought that Terra was stupid, there is a difference between being naive and being stupid. As far as I'm aware Terra and Aqua have lived in 1 world most if not all of their life, so I think it's understandable that his knowledge is limited on certain things. Not to mention when Xehanort was doing his evil villain faces he only did it during times when either nobody was looking at him or when he had his back turn to them.
Not to mention Xehanort manipulated Terra by poking at his insecurities and saying the things that Terra wanted to hear so I think it's understandable how that would influence his judgment. Terra in general is a good natured dude, he even felt responsible for his master's death even though he wasn't the one responsible for it happening. Terra is just a good dude who made some mistakes along the way, but let's be real here he's not the only one.
Just as did Riku they followed the same path and the mind sets they had were like a good pair. It’s sad to see everyone hate so much on terra
... _terra resisted the call of darkness_
The whole 'you can tell their evil just by looking at them' thing has always been silly to me. Most works of fiction don't have characters recognize a villain just by looking at them. Villains traditionally sharing some traits to set them apart from other characters, such as unnatural skin colours or deformities has generally been more for the audiences sake. I don't know why people berate Terra for this specifically when you could say the same thing for a million different fictional characters.
Besides, he's visiting worlds he knows nothing about, how's he to know what's normal and what's not? Should Sora have committed mass genocide at the Monsters Inc world because everyone looks like, well, a monster? And yes, I realize he did draw his keyblade when he first saw Mike and Sully, but that only proves that judging from appearances is stupid in the KH universe. (Edit: Actually, IIRC, he drew his keyblade after seeing Donald and Goofy in their monster forms, but the point still stands.)
And I think the worst bit of criticism I often see thrown Terra's way is that he was stupid for allowing Xehanort to trick him into weakening Eraqus, and they talk like Eraqus' death was his fault. Like, what did you want him to do? Just sit back and watch Eraqus kill Ventus for something out of his control? Besides, after he intervened to save Ven the first thing he did was try to talk things through with Eraqus. It was Eraqus who turned to violence first, of course Terra would defend himself. Begrudgingly, I might add.
Eraqus himself admits that he had been in the wrong, that he shouldn't have tried to end Ventus and that he failed the both of them as their master. Honestly, I'm not sure anyone who blames Terra for Eraqus' death has the right to be calling anyone in this game stupid...
Exactly I don't understand why people just write him out to be this way he didn't know what was ahead of him that's why we all have learning experiences some we prevail in without flaw and some we run into a bumpy road and that's what makes us human in the first place terra was just giving the benefit of the doubt to most thing's he ran into just to be kind because he also has to protect the world order and can't just over abuse the powers he has
Her name was facking maleficent and the other was EVIL queen lol
@@jeanvictor8178 evil queen doesn’t say her name and maleficent doesn’t just automatically make you evil because you have a name that’s like saying doom guy is evil cause he kills hell monsters but in fact he saves the entire planet from destruction
@@Final_RPG but nobody calls him doom guy in the games
In the older games they call him marine and in the new ones they call him doom slayer ,wich isn't evil
But maleficent is A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CASE
@@jeanvictor8178 not really? Lol doom slayer is just as evil sounding especially with him constantly having blood over his body I’m sure if you were to interact with him you would see him immediately as a threat
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You’re welcome lol. But no thank you for watching!
Even a master can slip up or be caught off guard not to mention the first thing Terra said to Braig about him capturing Xehanort is that “there’s no way he’d be caught by a thug like you.”
Further more not only did Braig show that he has the ability to control space in that battle but form Terra’s point of view who knows what level of trickery Braig used to subdue Xehanort or what kind of magic is being used to hold the chains in place
Obviously as a 4th wall viewer it’s easy to say oh Terra is so gullible cuz it’s clear to the player that Xehanort laid a convincing trap but form Terra’s perspective how can he not be concerned about what he’s literally witnessing especially considering Xehanort was the only one that kinda vogued for him & he looked up to despite his ulterior motive to do so
That’s the point, it was a ploy set by Xehanort form the start, this doesn’t make Terra stupid or gullible, it was his sincerity that caused most of his downfall, especially when he eliminated Eriqus in order to protect Ventus, yes he used the darkness but his drive to do so came form a place of light
I’d argue that he’s even better then Riku when in comes to relations to the darkness cuz sure Riku was able to overcome the darkness in a way where he didn’t fall into the darkness however Maleficent made it clear to Riku that she was evil & bribed him with the promise of Kairi’s heart & control over the darkness
Maleficent couldn’t even resort Kairi’s heart in the end cuz it was inside Sora & his heart is filled with light that she can’t even see let alone control, unlike telling have truths to Terra like how Flora put the denizens of the castle to sleep but not even explaining it was due to her action that the fairy had to subdue them, controlling him Jedi mind trick style just to capture Aurora’s heart & blatantly deceiving him with false intentions of a greater good like Xehanort did & her relations to him
& my god I could go on thou far as I’m concerned everything else in your video rings true but if you can’t see anything in defence of Terra in that Radiant Garden section of the timeline then I urge you to replay or rewatch it cuz there is a lot of context provided that proves it was a matter outta Terra’s hands due to Xehanort having played him like a puppet & using other forces of evil to perpetuate the ruse
I honestly hate to say this cuz I try my best to give every retrospective created a fair shake & judge them by their own merit, not comparing them to others however I’m so sick & tired of this Terra’s gullible narrative that I have to
Honestly your not wrong by anything ya said thou Dorked & MisterDJ - MDJ provided a more constructive & in depth analysis on Terra & how a lot of the events that played out where more or less outta his control due to how he felt & some of the things he might have been thinking at that moment
But not only that & lastly no one should forget that the sacrifices of the Brith by sleep trio where the only reason that Sora & Riku where relevant & able to complete their journey in succession
@@Lapis_Pylosiphorum Thank you for comparing me and contrasting me to other TH-camrs that have a larger margin of subs and videos compared to where I’ve collectively have made legitimately only about 20 videos with the rest not being voiced out. But anyways I don’t think you should ever say I hate to say this then continue forward it isn’t even criticism it’s just kinda rude. But I digress thanks for sharing I’ll do better
@@Final_RPG pep-eve yes however I don’t wanna list every single instance where Terra is kinda a victim of 2 extremes, not only have I done so on other channels(even ones with smaller followings such as yours)but I’ve a hard time stoping once I get started due to my hyper analytical nature but if you do feel I should then I will add more paragraphs breaking down the details even further
so yes I hate having not judge you on your own merit thou I will do so as to refer you to others that has covered the topic in a more effective manor
Thou if you had heard me out fully then you do understand despite my hypocrisy in my 8th paragraph, it was not from a place of malcontent or spite, your message is incomplete & there are others out there that can explain it better then myself thou I can try if that helps you to feel more content in the conviction of my words
I doubt that much matters to ya thou so no point in being envious of others you can easily learn form, expand your perception & grow beyond & again I will reiterate my 7th paragraph, apart form what you said in the Radiant Garden section, everything you had said was spot on
I at least watched start to finish😩
Just really passionate about Kingdom Hearts, so again… I will say I hate having not taken you for your own merit alone & appreciate ya stating you will strive to do better despite me only flustered at one aspect of your video, but please take it as a complement that I compared you to larger channels & only did so because I kinda care about the context regarded in the content of this topic at hand, not like I dropped a video link or anything
& maybe ya heard em & already seen their takes on Terra IDK just assuming you didn’t as this retrospect was so close but just so happened to miss the mark with me at the end, not to mention ya don’t need to watch their takes to understand it as the first I suggested was replaying the game or watching the cutscenes as I feel there is more then enough context in the game it’s self to collaborate my points & anyone that understands it should be able to draw these conclusions on their own
So it’s a 9/10 IMO & until ya brought up Radiant Garden it would’ve been a 10/10 seriously, even if you had said nothing regarding it I was content & agreed with all the points you had brought up & your video format is fine enough by me to keep me form clicking off
Plus this isn’t the first video I watch on your channel despite me only running into it recently however this is the only video I left a comment & this comment may be extremely negative in nature thou just like Terra it’s form a place of compassion & the will to care comes form a place of light not darkness
I’m just exhausted at rehashing the same arguments especially when I found others that can explain it folds better then I can & don’t get me wrong I actually like Terra but I wouldn’t even consider him close to my favourite KH character especially outta the BBS trio, just sick of seeing him get the short stick on public perception when most all his actions can be easily justified
@@Lapis_Pylosiphorum yeah that’s understandable and yes I did read this all if you were wondering
@@Final_RPG I assumed as much & forgot to mention by no means did I think it was a bad take, just was almost perfect to me so I kinda triggered my impulse😅
Best of luck moving forward G, & I’d rather ya share your point of view rather then not, I just differ form you a bit on the topic of Terra, I mean I know he’s not a saint but he’s not as bad as most make him out to seam, glad ya at least defended his honour & I should’ve said that last part first💯
This specific problem isn't in Terra, it's a problem in presentation.The writing and framing is loudly melodramatic to us, but Xehanort in the KH universe, is just a respected old guy, not a giant anime villain. In our universe, we can see his obvious villain tropes because the author wants the audience to know he's a villain, not the characters.
It's a genuine flaw on the developer's part that the game turned out this way, but there's a storytelling language here they are using. They just fumbled the bag hard on that execution.
When it comes to a character being dumb in BBS, I don't think of Terra at all cuz him trusting master Xehanort is very understandable cuz he makes valid points about the light and darkness and how balance is key(Riku is the evidence of that) and as the BEST FRIEND of master eraqus, why SHOULDN'T they trust him? And he always coincidentally meets the bad guy without knowing that they are the bad guy and would never follow them again once he realizes their sinister motives, like the queen from snow white. But when I think of anyone being stupid in this game, I think of Eraqus and maybe Aqua.
There are two things about Aqua that makes me groan, one is she acuses terra of all the bs that he didn't even do when she did not even see and only heard all the bs that happened so she had no reason to doubt him in the first place and created an unnecessary drama for terra and eraqus. If anything, it's Ventus that has the reason to doubt terra simply cuz terra blatantly ignored his concerns for him before he leaves the land of departure. Two is saving terranort from the realm of darkness, she is one of the reasons why kh1 or the entire timeline after bbs happened and why the emblem heartless still continue to exist cuz xehanort is still in control of terra's body. Thank god she was fixed in 0.2 or else I still would not like her
Eraqus is just an absolute headache. First off, his "light good, darkness bad" mentality is just not a good quality for a master cuz he rejects the other side of the coin, which should be a natural balance, no wonder terra failed the mark of mastery exam, he is always doomed to fail for having darkness unlike aqua and ven. Second, he was literally going to kill ven for finding out about the x blade and how ven is a part of it(melody of memory can go stfu retconning this scene for changing the "kill" to "seal") instead of y'know, SOLVING THE PROBLEM BY TALKING IT OUT. Last is also solving the problem by talking it out but with his BEST FRIEND Xehanort. Really now, after a few words with xehanort, what does eraqus do? Combat ofc. I swear to god, none of the characters in this game talk to each other like a normal person. Not only do I hate both his boss fights for his random staggers, random guards and random counters and especially his frame 1 bullshit stuff but I also hate him in the story. Finally him and xehanort are completely gone after kh3 (not counting dark road)
I can totally understand why eraqus wanted ven to cease to exist cause then literally all of creations would be absolutely doomed and it’s probably one of the hardest choices to make which is very very dark just to say btw. But I also know why terra saved him sure he didn’t know he was part of the xblade but still it’s like his brother and I understood every reason the choices terra made especially going to different universes they were all absolutely valid and plausible!
She helped Terranort because she thought that if there was a chance Terra can retake his body, it was a chance worth taking.
We may have left him to rot in the RoD with the knowledge we have now, but Aqua cared about Terra.
*Was* Aqua "fixed" though? Because from what I could tell, she still acted the same as she did in BBS, just more traumatized & mopey. Does 0.2 or KH3 actually address and/or acknowledge the part she played in bringing Xehanort's plans to fruition, as well as screwing herself & her friends over, or does she still just blame *"The Darkness"* for everything? I'm genuinely asking because it feels like I'm missing something, here.
As for Eraques... yeah, there's no excuse.
He seems more sheltered than stupid. Thinking about it, Eraqus likely treated him and Aqua the same as he did Ventus. Training them only in the Land of Departure and never letting them experience the outside world. So he has no idea what people from other worlds are like. I will say it is frustrating how often he gives people the benefit of the doubt instead of erring on the side of caution, especially after what he thinks he did to Aurora, but overall I see him as being kind, trusting, and sheltered. He tries not to judge people too quickly and more often than not he manages to make the right choice. Except in Neverland, no idea how he fell for that "light" bs Hook fed him.
I agree 😂
It's not like Peter Pan did Terra any favors.
@@SteveCrafts2k lol he’s always a dick even to sora he was a dick I swear
Te be fair Hook is a villain with a more understandable motive as Pan and the Lost Boys do regularly harass him.
Terra was manipulated. As was Aqua and Ventus...
Whole way through
Also stacking this comment cause I came back to read these your PFP is bomb it looks super good
He even beat the magic mirror who is omniscient
That is true actually in the context of Snow White in kh that is cause he even knows things outside of his own universe
The "my-read of universes" mee·ree·uhd myriad is pronounced mee·ree·uhd. Also great video! Take a like!
Loll my baddd 😂
If Terra knew what was going to happen next then he would have avoided alot of bs. Most of the faults and conflict were Maleficent and Xehanort’s doing.
I've always associated their behaviors and decisions based on their elements.
Terra: Earth
Aqua: Water
Ventus: Sky
Lea: Fire
....eh, Goofy?: Heart!
With their powers combined they create CAPTAIN PLANET!
I am so sorry.
They do have a lot of meanings Donald actually means ruler of all worlds and goofy means gift from god and sora means sky kairi means sea and Riku means land. Xion is number I and roxas is just backwards for sora obviously lol
@@Final_RPG Oh wow. Knew all but the Donald and Goofy meanings. That is mind blowing!
"My raid"
Listen I’m sorry 💀 leave me alone lol
Terra messed up. That isn’t anything new or ground breaking because everyone in BBS did to some degree. Terra wasn't even the worst offender that would be Eraquis.
We know Xehanort sent Vanitas to spy on the group multiple times before the game started. He used Eraquis to get a recomendation to the group. Manipulated them into a situation where their communication would fracture because their relationships were in flux.
Terra has a hero complex. He needs to be the strongest so he can protect those around him. Aqua being made a Master when he wasn't was a blow to him. He didn’t become violet about that which is massively in his favor. He instead set out to prove himself and was manipulated by a person who used the truth as a weapon (Maleficent).
He now has failed again to control his darkness and spends his next two worlds trying his best to do better. He even in his last disney world of this section is able to meet up again with Aqua. Everything looks up when he gets advice and completes his mission of finding Xehanort.
Then Radiant garden happens with Aqua now questioning everything Terra has done. This only feeds into his fear of losing everything he has. Then Xehanort is supposively captured which even Terra questions but figures it doesn’t hurt to check.
Terra is vulnerable here Xehanort knows that and abuses the trust Eraquis' introduction instilled in Terra. Xehanort has played the cards of accepting mistakes, accepting darkness is a part of everyone and that there is a place Terra can belong.
Past this point Terra is doing his best to follow his mission of beating the unversed and Vanitas while getting his darkness under control.
Land of departure is all about the communication breakdown that has existed between everyone. Terra goes there to stop Ventus from making a massive mistake. Fights Eraquis to stop him from killing his brother figure and then watches as Xehanort kills Eraquis.
Right after this is the Keyblade graveyard where a grieving and pissed off Terra is facing the man who killed his father figure, ruined his friends' life and betrayed his trust. I can’t blame Terra for any part of his actions in the graveyard as well... the Wayfinder Trio really didn’t screw up here.
Past this point Terra is just fighting Xehanort to regain control of his body until KH3.
You can debate Aqua messed up royally in the aftermath of her fight with Terranort but we have no roadmap for how that reality would play out.
That’s the point. He isn’t stupid intelligent wise like a moron, but he’s still stupid considering how he chose to act. There’s a fine line between them. He was driven by his ego and complex and that made him blind and vulnerable aka stupid.
I think the real problem is that he keeps doing it (giving the benefit of the dought) and there's no "arc" to see him, like, be more defensive
Though my personal problem woth Terra is that he doesn't really care... he seems very passive to me
That’s only because the people he interacts with if they don’t have the answers he’s looking for he’s done and gone
sadly,I've only gotten to play kingdom hearts,kingdom hearts 2 and kingdom hearts re chain of memories,I never got to play the other kingdom hearts games and it feel awful as a fan,why didn't I get the other games? cause I don't have ps 3,or ps 4 or ps 5,my family wouldn't allow me to get them cause the consoles are super expensive,qhich makes me hate money even more,never got the 3 ds games ethier for KH ;-; so I missed out on alot of KH games ;-; so not knowing anything about terra feels off....
I'm sorry maybe one of these days you'll be able to play the rest I'm sure of it you just need to grind on some work and you'll be able to man for sure
When you get big in famous I'll be able to say I'm top 500🎉💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Thank you for trying to reach out and say something as kind as this it’s nice maybe one day man maybe
He may not be interlogically stupid but so many people including me felt that way which can only be the failure of the story itself
The story didn’t fail I mean you can just say you didn’t like it that’s fine but the game was a success and some people consider it as their favorite and this video is suppose to show the other dimension to his character now you can see the other perspective now
Also the story did pretty well of conveying his feelings and emotions to how he was so trusting and nice to people and wanting life expanded upon horizons but to many people were filled with darkness in a literal sense an actual corruption and not just evil basic intentions. So it was hard for him to gauge what these situations held
@@Final_RPG people can love a game and story still may fail on its aspects. If people are "biased" towards Terra in such a large scale then the story failed to deliver his character arc right, for him to not be seen stupid. Something like this cannot come out of nowhere and must have a basis somewhere along the way.
For example as a writer if people have a completely different image of my character, then that means i failed to convey that character correctly. Or if nobody understood the implications of my plot twists that means i wasn't able to showcase the stakes.
@@barsabe not necessarily there is just different perspectives on the cosmology over all
what's your opinion on DDD Sora?
I’m terms of intelligence I assume you’re asking. Or maybe i’m wrong maybe you mean as a character. Well to cover both I guess sora wasn’t very dumb he just had moments where he was head first kind of guy and that doesn’t make you dumb exactly. And the other hand sora even before going to take the exam he tells yensid he’s saying what he said because it’s a formality which is true sora and Riku have proven themselves time and time again on there lonesome without any guidance from a keyblade master. This is why I believe sora was not taking the exam as serious and as well sora was nerfed twice due to having his self reduced in age for the exam and also having darkness in him from the sigil on his clothing. The reasoning of why Riku was serious was more so because he was still battling the darkness and he wanted to finally rid and it and make a new which is also why he cut his hair very short cause people in Japan when someone dies or when they start a new they cut there hair as a fresh start to the new path ahead and sora in kh 2 had his cocky moments and they kinda drew along to ddd but overall I love the man he’s very helpful in any means even if does mean to sacrifice himself for everyone to live and that’s a true hero. Not everyone is perfect and that is okay
My boy HMK don't like this man
Listen I love Gio to death but he played bbs so long ago and he probably got these thoughts from when he first played especially with everyone clowning on terra at the time everyone kinda hopped on the hate train and I see why but in serious note I don’t think he truly hates him overall
@@Final_RPG Yeah it's just a funny meme, but I can see why people think he's dumb.
Like certain scenes can be sued to fuel the fire to make a meme funnier, you'll see memes about characters in many series and fandoms
@@MementoDespair oh 100 percent. It’s been driven to the point where people make videos like there’s only so people can learn about the physiological factors
"The darkness... where did it come from?" Terra