Face it, Apple. You lost. - Sensel Force Haptic Touchpad
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Hey linus does windows 10 license key sell in half of the price or only 20$ is this legit or not cuz some websites selling the windows 10 keys.can you make a video about that and sry me bad english username Shreyashyadav
you kind of lost me on quantum here, I am too stupid to understand this
Jeez
A segue that made me exclaim a swear word, it was that good.
When any other channel has a sponsor it doesn't feel as part of the video but on LTT it is a feature to look forward too.
Imagine this on a this Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 2
I've never heard words "Quantum tunneling" and "hippityhoping" so close together
Hello verified person
Have you seen doctor who?
David Tennant has enter the chat..... In 2006.
another verified channel I've never heard about
He forgot. Big ball of timey wimey... stuff
"We don't know how it works, but it works so we're not changing it." - Sounds like something Aperture Science would say in a commercial.
Aperture was the first thing I thought of
i read that in cave johnsons voice LMAO
Welcome to the world of engineering lmao
HELLO INVESTORS
Nah, sounds more like what Wheatley Laboratories would say
Sensel : "We don't know how it works, but it works so we're not changing it."
Translation: "We don't want to give a 45 minute quantum electrodynamics lesson to TH-cam randos."
The real answer.
I meaan a fuckton of stuff in Quantom Physics is, "We know why it happens we don't know how it happens"
PBS Spacetime is the TH-cam channel to watch if you want to go down the rabbit hole of how quantum tunneling works.
@@jayspeidell That's how I even know about QED as a thing. Thanks though! See you in another...Space Time.
The LTT logo box look mysteriously like a Surtling Core.....
Yes it does
Sick, 4 more and we got a smelter boys.
Sensel : "We don't know how it works, but it works so we're not changing it."
Every programmer : "I finally feel validated..."
..until the bug reports and zero days start rolling in..
The golden rule of IT: NEVER update software
@Captain Price What? Sorry, I don't know anything about AMD GPU undervolting.
@Captain Price Lets just say it works. By how much, up to your specific card.
@Captain Price If you’re using fixed clock speeds then just try undervolting by 50mV and benchmark with 99%/100% gpu usage and whenever the system crashes increase the voltage by 10mV or till it’s stable at those fixed clock speeds.
This is how I undervolted my i3 6006u for both CPU and iGPU :)
I just realised another huge bonus to this type of trackpad: People with prosthetics can use them!
true! and you can also use any kind of object, like a pen to draw
Yes!!
holy s**t! you are right
@@matocarina Looks like graphic tablets are going to get a whole lot better, if the sensors can already measure the amount of force you can probably simulate strokes that look pretty much the same as on paper
I didn't think of that, that's great
11:35 "Just like every other sponsor segue feels terible once you've heard mine" I'm normally not that impressed with the segues, but that one was incredible!
It ties perfectly into the message beforehand and I love hearing Linus' smug smile while reading the rest of the sponsor message!
That was really interesting, and the possiilities of this tech are insane! Thanks for the video and covering interesting tech like that!
Engineers probably: "I have no Idea How this works, but it works!”
Same for developers. "I don't know what I just did that makes this work but it works!"
And don't even update windows because it might stop working!
as an engineer: yup that's about it
@@zlac Mac too.
@@zlac I update only after I try a power cycle. If it's not broken, I don't want Windows checking the update server while I'm pwning noobs in CoD2.
It is great to see Linus's face light up when he tries our haptics, no RGB required.
Wait you are a LTT Member on TH-cam :D ? That's awesome! 🎉
Is it real account of sensel?
@@soroushjm1011 yes
@@soroushjm1011 with 2K subs I guess so :D
Will there be a touchpad with RGB? Asking for a friend.
Sensels winform gui caught me off guard, thought I was looking at my 6th grade cs intro to c# project at first
I'm loving the Apple trackpads and even bought a Magic Trackpad to use with other devices. But more power to Sensel! Their tech seems amazing. I can't wait to feel this sometime in the future. Especially since I have to work a lot with other laptops and would look forward for their trackpads to NOT suck for once.
"huh that interesting"
*takes sip of tea and continues to use mouse*
Lmao
*takes sip of coffee and continues to use trackpoint*
@@skyshabatura7876 _uses a laptop with a mouse_
@@skyshabatura7876
To be fair, I have a laptop and still uses a mouse.
@@ccelik97 A mouse is just superior to a trackpad
"We don't know how it works, but it works so we're not changing it."
You just described pharmacology
r/ProgrammerHumor
Same goes with planes
That applies to a lot of things. Like gravity.
@@jellyg0at9 ?
"We are bullish on this-"
Me *sighs*... Now I gotta go check the numbers ... Again
@DataLover Seriously man, even it makes you money, being this annoying ain't worth it.
@@AutoCannonSaysHi
Depends on the amount of money.
@@andrasbiro3007 Yeah who are we kidding this LARP probably only has like $50 into partial GME shares on Robinhood.
I love it when people use a coil in PCB design when they can. PCBs have good tolerances for consistent coil construction and normally a lot cheaper to manufacture than traditional coils.
3:43
I can't stop laughing. I can feel Linus explaining something as passionate as he can but he also barely knows about it.
?
stop laughing and give us season 3
You still laguhing? Its been 27 minutes now
Well when even the experts cant agree on how it works.
It's funny how it might seem super hard to understand and shit but it really made sense when he explained it XD
3 weeks later: Apple buys Sensel for $100 million.
It happened with the previous touch company. So why not this one too?
That’s prob gonna happen lol
@@XalphYT that was multitouch I think
@@XalphYT because Sensel has potentially a MUCH higher market cap
That doesn’t make any financial sense, this way is better “3 weeks later: Apple buys Linus Group for less than $10 million (Linus retracts this video and publish a new one explaining how Apple trackpad is the best track device)” for the money it would be more effective, I don’t know how much Linus group actually worth but I am assuming is less than the other company.
As a phycists I was like "WTF" when you talked about quantum tunneling between particles LOL Glad you fixed it in post with an addendum!
You know what also works great with a glove? That little nubbin up there, the red "Trackpoint" found on most Thinkpads since forever. I've always used that thing since my first Thinkpad and never looked at another trackpad ever again.
Once you get used to it, you never go hack.
back*
This video feels like I just walked into a physics lesson instead of Linus ranting how bad every other touchpad is.
Linus lecture tips
Except it’s chemistry lol
This is definitely physics. The mixture of chemistry in it makes this in the field of solid state physics
@@homersimpson9795 actually yeah ur right I just saw electrons and stuff and thought chemistry lol
Linus: Face it, Apple. You lost.
Apple: Is this some kind of poor joke that I am too rich to understand?
Apple built the best trackpad in a laptop
Lmao... Apple is so rich it can not sell a single iPhone for next 10 years and still be one of the biggest companies in the world
Horrible Histories memes...gotta love em.
I mean, considering Apple has the same trackpad for 10 years and somebody finally built one better, I’m not even mad
It’ll change to something like “Sensel trackpad review” after all the Apple haters come in droves
What I find funny is that the screen on my Blackberry Storm that I had like 10 years ago clicked like an actual button when you pressed it. They were the only company using that technology back then.
Fast forward to 2018/19 and Samsung implements it into the Galaxy line of phones to get the tactile feedback of an actual button press when you press the home button. It was pretty slick how they figured out how to use it on just that part of the screen instead of the entire screen being a button like Blackberry did.
Oh wow, that’s really cool! I wish the machines at my job had touchscreens that used this technology. I work in a rubber injection molding facility and I mainly run two styles of machine. Interestingly, the older style had a touchscreen that can be used with work gloves on, but the newer ones require the operator to either use a stylus or remove their glove.
There are times when the sponsor segment comes up, and I'm just sitting there going "Dangit, he nailed it again. So good!"
I just came back to see if someone commented on that. I let it continue because I felt like skipping it would be ripping him off when he's just trying to get a fraction of a penny from me for providing me something of value.
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nice
“They only gave us 3 and a half inches.”
What’s wrong with 3 and a half inches? >;(
Braggart!
RIP
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nice
It’s really, really small.
Just the tip.
I was just looking at their morph midi controller the other day, didn't expect to see them here but makes perfect sense
Even though nobody will see this, Apple trackpads use force sensors around the trackpad to sense the force of your finger and differentiate between a regular click and a “force click” and use the haptic motor to deliver the click feel without the need for a physical mechanism. It does not use the iPhone version of 3D Touch, which measures the distance between the upper glass and base.
Alex flipping the table at the start was the best thing ever. He should start flipping more things around the office and this can become one of LTT trademark bits.
Dejavu?
Linus: "That your body is a bit electrically conductive"
Yeah I'm a bit shocked every time I get on a scale
Let's see how fast this comments gets upvoted
Fast
43mins later: sloooow
can I shake your hand?
EXPONENTIAL GROOOOWTH
Literally, because that's how they calculate some of the fat and bone data
Something cool gets invented.
LTT on every title: £?&K you Apple!
4:48 Laptop: Oh no, his about to pick me up, OH NO I'M PANICKING!
Some toy story type shit 😆
Maybe it's the script, maybe it's the editing, maybe it's the product. But I'm finally excited for a technology like I've never been in the past few years or so.
yeah, it's not just: NOW WITH MORE TERAFARTS THAN OUR COMPETITORS! it's actually something that is noticable on a normal basis.
This may not have much of an impact for many people but there are people for whom this will be huge. Anyone who works outdoors and uses a computer, medical professionals, people with prosthetics and once the price comes down a lot the general laptop using community.
Linus: “This trackpad electrocuted me! This is the kind of technology that puts a smile on my face“
Linus is a masochist confirmed?
@@conormurphy4328 he's just trying to find the limits of his body.
ElectroBOOM
Electroboom would be proud
It's always interesting to see how advanced technology works its way into our everyday lives. I really hope to get my hands on something with this technology in it someday. Great video as always!
I agree with the video: The thinkpad x1 titanium has the best mouse input device a laptop can possibly have.
Oh, and it also has a fancy trackpad.
Meanwhile, I’m waiting on a mousepad with Linus‘s meme image to come out. It will be the greatest thing I’ve owned in my life.
lel
Didn't Dbrand have those meme skins for the Dell XPS touchpad?
I'm pretty sure some scammer on Amazon has done that already
You could get a zenbook with the screen in the trackpad
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I've been hoping for this type of thing to get made ever since I felt the iphone 7 (was it the 7?) fake solid state clicky home button. that thing is amazing to press and I'd love that tech in a laptop trackpad
Macbooks have it
that would be epic
Using Glitches and Tricks to Beat Other Companies' Trackpads
@Joe exactly
will you bhop HL2 with this? looking forward to it
This is amazing! Macbooks have no doubt some of the best trackpads in the business and I've been waiting for a long time for Windows laptops to catch up. This will not only put them on par with Apple but take it a step above.
"It's almost like getting zapped by ElectroBoom."
Ah yes, we all can relate to that
Speaking of electroboom, he needs storage management. He showed so in live stream
yes you are right
like this comment so they see this
Let's get this to the top. Linus needs to collab with electroboom again.
Replying for visibility
@@Yuzuki1337 Same
With that level of precision, combined with some interesting beamforming from the speaker, you could theoretically generate synthetic feeling, i.e., the feeling of brushing your finger against fur, or a rock. Disney Research has a few papers.on it (they spend lots of money on R&D for their theme parks).
iremember a few years ago sharp made a phone with this kind of tech
wait, so can they make VR gloves?
@@SunnySzetoSz2000 I don't know if you could make gloves thin enough with all the vibration motors it'd require, but theoretically you can simulate feeling by vibrating your fingertips at different frequencies and with different patterns
Hey Linus! I just wanted to say, thanks for being a great influence on me and others. I've been watching you for many many years and your videos never bore me. Your experiments motivate me to do my own. Because of you, I started my own tech channel. Keep up making the great content along with your crew. Thanks for being a big influence!
this is the comment that started it all.
Edit: Wait nvm he stopped uploading 9 months ago...
@@98SE No, wrong channel! th-cam.com/channels/D5FH-g--C86vqMGJDtOlnw.htmlvideos
As a touchpad power user i just can't imagine it being a better experience than my E540's touchpad. Its a regular pad suspended on effectively 4 switches. So its a pad with deep travel. The only thing it lacks is a dedicated right click button.
I like to believe that table flip was Alex's first attempt at a Short Circuit on the new setup, prior to any setup adjustments
He also is having a bloody hard time surpressing the laugh there
Big Quanta is the funniest bit of writing I've heard from you guys in quite some time, great work
Quite the oxymoron that is, and very neat.
@@silverstreak8958 I didn't even realize it's an oxymoron lmaooo
Great to see some actual new tech and not just a faster/thinner version of last years model
It would make sense if you could buy trackad replacement kit for e.g. Mac
I do not see the potentiale for the Thinkpad, they have the almighty trackpoint already
1: I agree that force sensitivity is game-changing. It's why I'm still hoping that Apple's recent trend of reversing decisions includes bringing back 3D Touch
2: I understand how the tech between 3D Touch and Sensel is different-but how is the experience different? What can you do with this that you couldn't do with 3D Touch? Or is it just an alternative (better?) route to basically the same UX? Or is that not a valid comparison, since 3D Touch was never a non-phone tech?
I love how Linus is self aware that his segues to sponsors is something we undoubtedly tap right twice for.
He has mentioned on the wan show that he expects people to skid the adds.
Segues*
@@jl_woodworks lmao segway
Lol. Why do you say that? What I miss?
@@gerardomorales151 I think he corrected the guy above from "segway" to segue, idk if that's right.
Tableflips: The reason why I'm not allowed a desk at work.
Your work just needs to give you a concrete desk.
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nice
The ultimate DropTip
Glad you are SUPER exited about a trackpad !!!!!!!
Am I the only one that no matter how good a trackpad is, I always prefer a mouse ? I only use the trackpad when on a couch or when no additional surface is available.
I use my wireless mouse on the space to the right of the trackpad.
Many people are that way too... but sometimes, having a trackpad could be nice too...
yeah that's the point 😂😂 but a trackpad is sometime more precise, for example the scroll wheel on a mouse is not precise enough sometime :/ but man I need to try that sensel stuff.
@@AshLordCurry Well, on my bed, I use my trackpad. And before Covid, I used track pad at school and coffee shops. Most people I know use trackpads like that as well. I only use a mouse when I connect my laptops to my monitors and am on my desk.
“They’re paid off by big-quantum”
Love that
Apple: Interesting
* buys Sensel *
Was going to say, this screams Apple acquisition potential to me.
they'll.
if industries were collaborative rather than competitive, a single standard would work. it'd be similar to how high-end system integrators work - the parts are (mostly) standardised from different suppliers but they integrate it as a single system
this tech looks super cool though - i was excited about 3d touch before it went away but a true pressure-sensitive and accurate trackpad sounds amazing. i can see both gaming and productivity uses for it, especially if it has multitouch
"unless you're like buildzoid or steve from gamers nexus or something" at the end was so funny I choked on my lunch
"face it apple, you lost."..."its not likely we'll see this on many laptops"
Didn't know Apple was competing for being the pinnacle of trackpads.
@@robertt9342 I mean they definitely are but this is by no means an "Apple killer". It's just another case of Linus trying to undeservedly dunk on Apple
@@RobbyBobbyBoy . Pretty sure the trackpad just a feature of selling someone on an Apple laptop which itself is just a product to entice users to buy in on the Apple ecosystem. Not really competing to be the best at trackpads or computers. They are just selling points.
@@robertt9342 they dont have to sell the trackpad itself, as u said it is a selling point so they want to be the best at it.
I mean the M1 is only on a couple of laptops. Just sayin'.
Asteroid destroys earth
LTT headline: "Face it, Apple. You lost."
Linus rises from the fucking ashes and craters, with burn marks all over him, just to shit on apple one final time. He starts insulting the dead corpses of Tim Cook and various blueshirts.
@@imtheboss976 And every other track pad that is not Apple's. Clickbait for sure. Great content though.
@@imtheboss976 The reference model trackpad yes. The only trackpad on an actual laptop (X1) is smaller, has worse haptic feedbacks + the cheapest X1 titanium is 1700 USD vs 1000 USD Macbook Air. As a windows PC user Im still waiting for a Force touch trackpad alternative since 2015 :)
@@HenreRossouw but bot the x1
Android eats an Apple.
Face it, Apple. You lost
One of the things I was looking forward to with Apple's 3D Touch was using it to improve touch accuracy with wet screens--this would be awesome!
I want to use this in an ultrawide laptop with dual touch pads on both sides of the keyboard. So my hands just slide in and out when typing or using the track pads. Also allows for precise mouse movements in 3D applications
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Why not release a stand alone Magic Trackpad competitor? That is what I thought the video would be about.
Linus: Apple you lost!
Apple: Oh no! :O
Apple: Anyways
Anyways: back to you Tim. We are proud to announce our acquisition of Sensel and our integration of FSR based Trackpads.
Resistive touch is still very big in industrial touch screens. They can be made fairly rugged and the ability to operate with thick gloves on is king in this field.
This here seems to be the first actual competition to that - I'm just not too sure how rough of a handling these can be made to survive.
Force Touch trackpad isn’t just capacitive, it can distinguish between touch, click (but it’s not physically clicking) and hard click (used for preview and stuff like that).
Fun fact capacitive touch sensors can estimate force
2 Years Later: Lenovo gets rid of FSR from their trackpad
4 Years Later: Apple's new force touch pro max ultra is revolutionary!
In memories of Lenovo Adaptive Keys
cry more
you mean Sensel.
Lenovo is the first OEM to use it, and it seems they went on the cheap side to not use the whole thing and used a different haptics solution.
so when apple implements it properly or better after 4 years, you will be mad at them because they will market it as a new thing.
adaptive keys same thing. Idea behind it is the same, implementation is way different. like many other products.
*Me pretending to understand what he's saying* : "hmm yes, interesting"
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1:47 Finally after all these years a reasonable explanation as to why my computer screen looks so cloudy. All along it was my lousy resistive touch-pad.
Would be awesome to buy something like this separately.
Especially if it has a separate thingy to scroll up and down and to the sides
Linus' childlike awe and enthusiasm is the lifeblood of this channel.
I love how the writing for LTT just keeps improving to the extent that you get a physics lesson when they showcase a touchpad. It’s like this channel was made for my inner nerd 😀
10:53 - This sounds amazing, the idea of swappable keyboards/interfaces for a computer; like I could be typing text one minute, then swap it out with a music mixer the next, or maybe a sketch pad to draw art.
Ofc I don't expect this anytime soon; I'd think it'd take decades before this thing is cheap enough to be popular commercially. But I feel like I just glimpsed the next step in the evolution of general-purpose computers.
I don't see any real improvement over just having a few specialised input devices and just picking up the one you want to use. I mean, you need to pick up a different overlay, anyway, so you need space to keep it, just like you do for a dedicated input device.
FSRs have been around for many decades, but the problem is that eventually the compressed layer doesn't spring back to its original thickness and it stops working properly. I would be suspicious about the time-to-failure of these track pads.
Also, don't leave your credit card on this track pad when you are shopping on-line, the built-in magnetic coil could scramble the data on the card's magnetic stripe.
"Face it Apple, you lost"
Me: *continues to use trackpoint anyway*
FSR sensors are also used in certain types of electronic drums. It's incredibly useful
That's exactly right. In fact, we actually make electronic drums as well. Check out the Sensel Morph
@@SenselInc are you really advertising your products in the reply sections lol?
To be honest I don't care how cutting edge the tracking accuracy gets - current touchpads are already good enough. I want dedicated click buttons back and current touchpads are horrible clickpads so only a miracle will bring back proper dedicated buttoned touchpads.
This technology would be great in smartphone screens. Maybe they could make a phone touchscreen that works when it's wet or make the sound coil vibrate when your thumb slides over an icon so you could navigate by feel instead of having to look at the screen.
Alex visibly enjoyed trhrowing over that table, no matter how much he was trying to keep acting :P
"Winter glove" - yeah, that was definitely a western/Vancouver BC 'winter glove' where it doesn't actually get cold!
winter glove my ass lmao, mine is like half an inch thick lol
That was a small cloth mitten. No where near a glove
Apple trackpads have been so good for so long now that the introduction of this tech coming to PCs is, in my book, the best thing to ever happen to non-apple notebooks.
wow your sponsor couldn't have shown up at a better time. I'm literally redoing everything in my room including my pc to finally get on board with this whole colour coordination thing lol
I think this is probably one of the most educational video's you have every produced! lol. Great job Linus! you and You're team have grown.
I always skip the ads, but the Microcenter ad at the end of this video is legit. Microcenter is every bit as good as they say they are.
I'd love to buy from them, but they won't ship most of the stuff they sell. I would have bought my last laptop from them, but they won't ship it, so I went with another model from someone else.
Now that I think about it, imagine this kind of technology used for keyboard switches. Being able to adjust actuation force through software would be amazing.
I love the subtle shoutout to Steve and Buildzoid at the end!
The engineering behind this is absolutely brilliant.
Right? It's incredibly impressive.
Comes with a super fancy trackpad.... Still has that red joystick on the keyboard! Classic
However awesome it is, the trackpad is still a trackpad. Some people prefer the red "nipple mouse". Especially for scrolling, it is truly awesome. And if you are typing, it is conveniently right under your fingers, no need to adjust your hand to the south where your trackpad is. The versatility of having both is a good thing. Gestures and accurate tracking on the trackpad, scrolling and gaming on the nipple. Yes, gaming. It is essentially a miniature analog stick. Speaking from experience.
@@matekovacs2696 Most people I spoke to that don't like it only tried it once or twice. Yeah there's a small learning curve, but when I got used to it I almost never used the trackpad because I was just as fast if not faster on the nipple.
Don't knock the nipple, it comes in handy sometimes.
you can force touch on apple's trackpad. i am not talking about the haptic feedback, but the actual force touch which can activate some different system response.
Can I just say, Love the physics girl callout.
Find me the bikini physics girl so I can multitask.
i am already here, because i am smart
Edit: i wrote this before the Video wenn Public, because SOMEONE decided to already make a Forum Post about it
same
no one cares
I was second to you
good
Deep
I've had a Sensel Morph for a few years now and yeah, it's honestly amazing.
We love to hear it!
Since top layer can be glass so in theory it can be an screen on top of it. You can have an on screen keyboard that feels like a clicky keyboard!
it be amazing if the whole keyboard area was a haptic zone and you could more easily connect various keyboard setups laying them over like the Sensel Morph, and keycaps not needing switches or to be made of plastic/metal parts- just a solid material.
"Where it gets really complicated"... It was at this moment that I realized that I was already completely lost.
“Apple, you lost”
*shows an i5 laptop*
😂
I wonder if they could use so kind of back lighting to superimpose a picture of a keyboard or macro buttons instead of the rubber mats shown in the video. That way with the touch of a button you could change from a qwerty keyboard to maybe a macro keyboard and the image and inputs change.
That's the first time I seen light is so excited for a trackpad 😅 but seriously been using small and bigger trackpads for sometimes and one thing that I learned, bigger doesn't matter I can do everything I want only by using a fraction of th size
4:10: experts trying to explain how this tech works: "If you do the thing, and you do it right, and you DON'T fuck it up. It works, it just works"
*tips fedora
Gotta love the "big winter glove" *shows a super small mitten*
Didn't expect a physics lesson, but I'm not complaining