It was made in mockery to arms of House Hoare, which Aegon burned in Harrenhal. Harren and his three sons were burned. The castle was given to the Qoherys.
The irony that a Baratheon started a rebellion to end the Targaryens.. not only are they Valyrians themselves but they are literal descendants of Aegon the Conqueror who gave them their house and their founder Orys Baratheon was a Targaryen bastard himself…
That was the only reason Westeros saw that Robert had any kind of legitimatacy. Not only was his grandmother a Targ, but his house was founded by a bastard one. So essentially, his claim came from his Targaryen lineage, but he had to kill all the other Targs before being seen as the only heir the lords would accept. He hated every Targ there was, but his only shred of legitimacy besides conquest was his own Targaryen heritage. I bet Orys couldn't have predicted this one. He might have a few things to say to his descendant lol.
@@jessjess23brooks89Aegon and Orys both would have been the first to smack down Mad Aerys. Let's not forget that the rebellion was definitely justified one way or another, everything Lyanna related aside.
@@mogumanjulien4366 I don't doubt Aegon and Orys would have killed Aerys. But Elia? The children? Rhaegar? I have no problem with Aerys dying. It's a shame that Tywin's little Duskindale plot didn't work out. And I can understand Robert's hatred of Rhaegar. But Aegon would never have allowed Rhaegar to be killed, stolen Stark girl or not. And Orys would have demanded the head of whoever ordered and whoever executed the death of little children and an innocent woman. My biggest contention with Robert is also Eddards. How he handled Tywin and his men after having been delivered little decimated bodies wrapped in cloaks. They should have been punished, not honored by a royal marriage.
@@jessjess23brooks89 It’s a shame that Rhaegar was blinded by prophecy and abandoned his planning of rebellion against his father at the tourney of Harenhall. If only he better articulated his plan to overthrow Aerys. I’m surely most of the Great Houses would support him.
Blackfyres can't even get supporters from the Great Houses. Most of their supporters are minor houses from the Reach.... whose liege lord, the Tyrells, sided with the Targaryens. No wonder they failed! For Robert's Rebellion, the Great Houses who supported the Targaryens were only the Martells and the Tyrells, while everyone else rebelled, and the loyalist forces were not even in unified front. Their smaller supporters in Stormlands, Vale, and Riverlands were quickly subjugated, too, by their rebellious liege lords. Not to mention that the Targaryens were so screwed up politically before the rebellion even began thanks to the Mad King alone. Imagine your grandfather, Aegon V, being one of the best kings Westeros ever had and you destroyed his legacy in your reign for nothing but your nonsensical paranoia. (Mad King's father and Aegon V's successor, Jaehaerys II, reigned for a rather short time that even the tv show practically forgot about him.)
I know what you mean. I'd been nuts about the books since 96 and I refused to watch the show. Finally my wife got me to watch it and I'm like"WTF, that never happened in real life" then I remember, none of it happened.
It's funny because the Targaryens were a minor house themselves in Valyria, just barely in the dragon game. They happened to make it to the other side and now put on airs like they used to run the place lol
Basically, the Qoherys sigil is the Hoare sigil, a quartered sigil with the quarters done diagonally but with each of the four elements of the Hoare sigil (the ship, the tree, the grapes, the raven) all replaced by the skulls of Harren and his family and with the chains of the ironborn replaced by the flames that killed them, all on the black of the Targaryens, the house that killed them and the colour of Balerion the dragon that burnt them alive. I noticed mocking sigils in Westeros elsewhere as well. Dornish house Toland have green dragon bitting his own tail as their sigil, as mocking of house Targaryen. During First Dornish war they proclaimed their surrender, but instead of lord they sent fool in lord's green clothes. Aegon accepted in triumphal scene.
House Targaryen: conquered the seven kingdoms ruling them for 300 years House Velaryon: became a seapower for 300 years House Baratheon: litteraly a Targaryen guy who defeated Storm King, and his ancestor destroyed their original house Targaryen House Blackfyre: tried to overthrow Targaryens five times House Qoherys: suffered Harrenhal curse House Celtigar: just sitting on their island. Vibing
Valyrians-0:09 Doom of Valyria-0:21 House Targaryen- 0:33 House velaryon- 1:36 House celtigar- 3:54 House qoherys- 5:32 House Baratheon- 7:16 House blackfyre- 9:58
There were individual 40 dragonlord families with their own mages to bound dragon blood with their lineage..only Targaryens survived doom..others went extinct... valeriyons/celtigars were not dragonlords they were merchants and warriors.. valeriyons only get to tame dragons after they started marrying Targaryens..there were also other species of dragons which got extinct after the doom..eg: Cannibal the mentioned wild dragon has 4 legs unlike other Targaryen dragons which clearly states it was not a Targaryen dragon and was linked to one of the extinct dragonlord families.
I mean, one of the houses in this video is extinct, but there is another Valyrian house the video forgot, house longwaters, founded by a Velaryon/Targaryen bastard
Because that's how they look? George RR Martin originally intended all Targaryens to look like that but decided not to because he figured white skin would sell better. He was right but requested the original idea for the HOTD show.
@@kp-legacy-5477 Nope, he did state that he entertained the idea and said the idea came to him much later and by that time it was just not viable anymore, plus making them black brings a whole host of problem. Like if you make the Velaryons black, you pretty much have to make the Targaryens black as well, since they're the house that married the most into the Targaryens. All current Targaryens are descended from Alyssa Velaryon and Aenys Targaryen. They should at least be mixed. They really blew it with this one. If they really wanted a black house they should have just made the Hightowers or the Strongs black.
I wouldn't call House Baratheon a Valyrian house. With the exception of Orys himself every other Baratheon claims descent from the Storm Kings by virtue of Argella the last Storm Queen and thus have a history that goes beyond Orys all they way to Durran Godsgrief in the age of heroes.
There were *several* intermarriages between they & other Valyrian houses- in addition to the bastard-born half-Targaryen & *_founder_* of the house, Orys^, Princess Rhaenys' mother was Jocelyn Baratheon, she married her half-nephew, who was a Targaryen- & Jocelyn's mother was Alyssa Velaryon- who was half-Targaryen. Jocelyn's brother, Lord Boremund was head of the house; his son was Lord Borros- he had 4 daughters & a son. Rhaenys married Corlys Velaryon & had two children with him- the daughter was Daemon's second wife; they had two children - Baela Targaryen married her grandfather's legitimised bastard, Alyn Velaryon; he later had a relationship with his cousin, Princess Elaena Targaryen (who was part Velaryon on her mother's side) - they had two children, Jon & Jeyne Waters; Jon has living descendants in the present-day, under the name Longwaters. Yes, they have First Men descent from their Durrandon blood - but there's also the better part of 300 years of Valyrian intermarriage after that; most recently, Ormund Baratheon was married to Rhaelle Targaryen, Aegon V's youngest daughter; their child was Steffon- father of Robert, Stannis, & Renly -- if you wouldn't call them a Valyrian house- what *_would_* you call them...? ^ He had one or two sons- the elder son's line was essentially unbroken - the father of Rogar Baratheon, second husband of Dowager Queen Alyssa - Rogar also had 4 younger brothers.
They aren't Targaryen descent but they are of eastern descent and likely related to a family during the Age of the Empire of the Dawn. This empire were also likely dragon lords long before Valyria.
Some of these 'Valaryon' fanilies are NOT Valyron blood..LOOK at them. SOME of these fams SERVED the Valaryons. Qohorys, etc-1 or 2 at LEAST are going to be related to the Blood/Fire Mages that were on Valyria. Mysaria herself helped the Sea Valaryons cause the Doom...and the Targaryens were supposed to protect her. SHE is who sent Daeny the Dreamer THE DREAM...SHE helped the Targaryens escape the Doom for protection from the Sea Vals cuz she wanted to escape as well. LOOK at how old she is in the text AND in the show...LISTEN to what she says to Daemon.
-How metal do you want your sigil to look?
-House Qoherys: Yes.
The best sigil in Westeros history, hands down 🔥🔥
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The most badass looking
@@donteflon8877 rightt?
It was made in mockery to arms of House Hoare, which Aegon burned in Harrenhal. Harren and his three sons were burned. The castle was given to the Qoherys.
The irony that a Baratheon started a rebellion to end the Targaryens.. not only are they Valyrians themselves but they are literal descendants of Aegon the Conqueror who gave them their house and their founder Orys Baratheon was a Targaryen bastard himself…
That was the only reason Westeros saw that Robert had any kind of legitimatacy. Not only was his grandmother a Targ, but his house was founded by a bastard one.
So essentially, his claim came from his Targaryen lineage, but he had to kill all the other Targs before being seen as the only heir the lords would accept.
He hated every Targ there was, but his only shred of legitimacy besides conquest was his own Targaryen heritage. I bet Orys couldn't have predicted this one. He might have a few things to say to his descendant lol.
@@jessjess23brooks89Aegon and Orys both would have been the first to smack down Mad Aerys. Let's not forget that the rebellion was definitely justified one way or another, everything Lyanna related aside.
@@mogumanjulien4366 I don't doubt Aegon and Orys would have killed Aerys. But Elia? The children? Rhaegar?
I have no problem with Aerys dying. It's a shame that Tywin's little Duskindale plot didn't work out. And I can understand Robert's hatred of Rhaegar.
But Aegon would never have allowed Rhaegar to be killed, stolen Stark girl or not. And Orys would have demanded the head of whoever ordered and whoever executed the death of little children and an innocent woman.
My biggest contention with Robert is also Eddards. How he handled Tywin and his men after having been delivered little decimated bodies wrapped in cloaks. They should have been punished, not honored by a royal marriage.
which is why Robert has been declared king, not just because he won the war, but because his blood was the most regal from all the noble houses
@@jessjess23brooks89 It’s a shame that Rhaegar was blinded by prophecy and abandoned his planning of rebellion against his father at the tourney of Harenhall. If only he better articulated his plan to overthrow Aerys. I’m surely most of the Great Houses would support him.
Bro Qoherys’s line got extinguished in two generations.
Maybe harrenhal really is cursed
In the end, the older Targaryen branch family Baratheon accomplished what the Blackfyre's never could: actually win a rebellion.
SHOTS FIRED!
Ours is the fury
Blackfyres can't even get supporters from the Great Houses. Most of their supporters are minor houses from the Reach.... whose liege lord, the Tyrells, sided with the Targaryens. No wonder they failed!
For Robert's Rebellion, the Great Houses who supported the Targaryens were only the Martells and the Tyrells, while everyone else rebelled, and the loyalist forces were not even in unified front. Their smaller supporters in Stormlands, Vale, and Riverlands were quickly subjugated, too, by their rebellious liege lords.
Not to mention that the Targaryens were so screwed up politically before the rebellion even began thanks to the Mad King alone. Imagine your grandfather, Aegon V, being one of the best kings Westeros ever had and you destroyed his legacy in your reign for nothing but your nonsensical paranoia. (Mad King's father and Aegon V's successor, Jaehaerys II, reigned for a rather short time that even the tv show practically forgot about him.)
I swear I know more about the Targaryen dynasty than real history at this point
I’m sayin
That's sad. Real history is infinitely more interesting.
I know what you mean. I'd been nuts about the books since 96 and I refused to watch the show. Finally my wife got me to watch it and I'm like"WTF, that never happened in real life" then I remember, none of it happened.
You would like to know about the War of Johns, between Portugal and Spain at 1380's
I know more about Thrones history and lore then I do american history
Hmm House Qoherys… Oh I wonder why I never heard of this Valyrian house
>they inherited Harrenhal
Oh that's why.
A really cursed castle...
House Qoherys, the proud owner of the most metal sigil ever.
I mostly agree and dig them heavy but the flayed man banners always struck me as metal af as well.
It's funny because the Targaryens were a minor house themselves in Valyria, just barely in the dragon game. They happened to make it to the other side and now put on airs like they used to run the place lol
Basically, the Qoherys sigil is the Hoare sigil, a quartered sigil with the quarters done diagonally but with each of the four elements of the Hoare sigil (the ship, the tree, the grapes, the raven) all replaced by the skulls of Harren and his family and with the chains of the ironborn replaced by the flames that killed them, all on the black of the Targaryens, the house that killed them and the colour of Balerion the dragon that burnt them alive.
I noticed mocking sigils in Westeros elsewhere as well. Dornish house Toland have green dragon bitting his own tail as their sigil, as mocking of house Targaryen. During First Dornish war they proclaimed their surrender, but instead of lord they sent fool in lord's green clothes. Aegon accepted in triumphal scene.
That's actually pretty sweet backstory if true
Technically house longwaters is a valaryan house considering it’s founder was the bastard son of a Targaryen princess and a Veleryon of driftmark
Finally someone else acknowledging house longwater 🙏
Quenton Qoherys was former Master at arms for Dragonstone so he probably trained Aegon, Visenya and Orys when they were young.
Celtigar sigil is literally a crab rave 🦀 obviously they are the coolest house
Valyrian axe? Kraken horn? What are those Celtigar crabs up to?
The Celtiagar’s Conqueest 😂
Surviving Eurons Apocalypse 😂😂😂
House Targaryen: conquered the seven kingdoms ruling them for 300 years
House Velaryon: became a seapower for 300 years
House Baratheon: litteraly a Targaryen guy who defeated Storm King, and his ancestor destroyed their original house Targaryen
House Blackfyre: tried to overthrow Targaryens five times
House Qoherys: suffered Harrenhal curse
House Celtigar: just sitting on their island. Vibing
Descendant *
House longwater (a house descended from the velaryons and targaryens) is also just chilling in kings landing
I’m happy Celtigars are getting importance in House of the Dragon with Bortomos Celtigar
Valyrians-0:09
Doom of Valyria-0:21
House Targaryen- 0:33
House velaryon- 1:36
House celtigar- 3:54
House qoherys- 5:32
House Baratheon- 7:16
House blackfyre- 9:58
I thought Targaryens were only Valyrians until I saw Velaryons. Now you’re telling me there is 4 more Valyrian houses??
There were individual 40 dragonlord families with their own mages to bound dragon blood with their lineage..only Targaryens survived doom..others went extinct... valeriyons/celtigars were not dragonlords they were merchants and warriors.. valeriyons only get to tame dragons after they started marrying Targaryens..there were also other species of dragons which got extinct after the doom..eg: Cannibal the mentioned wild dragon has 4 legs unlike other Targaryen dragons which clearly states it was not a Targaryen dragon and was linked to one of the extinct dragonlord families.
There are still many Valyrians in some Free Cities
I mean, one of the houses in this video is extinct, but there is another Valyrian house the video forgot, house longwaters, founded by a Velaryon/Targaryen bastard
House Qoherys still alive in Sons of Anarchy tv show
Lys is also a large concentration if valyrion blood more than 1 targaryen prince sought brides from there to strengthen their blood
Rogare house.
it's interesting to see how far the velaryons fell from power in around 100-200 years
The night is dark and full of Targaryens
Well, there is also house longwater in the crownlands, the founder was a bastar of a targaryen and a velaryon
I just can't get over the fact they expect us to believe that Velaryons and Targaryens are the same race in the show
Good info
Good video
Glad you liked it!
how about house longwaters? the bastard house from velaryon
Make since with the stag & dragon they hair look just like Valyrian & The part where they can pick who they love in Jamie Lannister words
and jamie choose cercei. god that makes sense. thank mystery has solved.😅
I hope we see more of Bartimos Celtigar, while I’m sure we’ll see plenty more of Velaryons in House of the Dragon.
House Blackfyre will rise once again 🔥🐉
We sure will
hello daemon😊
They like the hydra
I thought I heard Daenys dreamt of the Doom 12 years before the event?
Targaryan -> dragon lords (basicaly royalty)
Velaryon -> nobles (inferior to dragons lords)
Celtigar -> commoners
Bra video
House Celtigar is just gonna get ignored..
FAB IS BACK FOMOS
You forgot house plumm and lomgwaters lol
The targaryen dynasty is my roman empire
Woooo House Blackfyre🗡
Isn't Brynden, the dude that killed Daemon, the Bloodraven?
Yea
So, why the Velaryon is black with funny wig?
Because that's how they look?
George RR Martin originally intended all Targaryens to look like that but decided not to because he figured white skin would sell better.
He was right but requested the original idea for the HOTD show.
@@kp-legacy-5477 Nope, he did state that he entertained the idea and said the idea came to him much later and by that time it was just not viable anymore, plus making them black brings a whole host of problem. Like if you make the Velaryons black, you pretty much have to make the Targaryens black as well, since they're the house that married the most into the Targaryens. All current Targaryens are descended from Alyssa Velaryon and Aenys Targaryen. They should at least be mixed.
They really blew it with this one. If they really wanted a black house they should have just made the Hightowers or the Strongs black.
First to take the black 🖤
Fun fact: all Valyrians took black, Rhaenyra’s side.
I wouldn't call House Baratheon a Valyrian house. With the exception of Orys himself every other Baratheon claims descent from the Storm Kings by virtue of Argella the last Storm Queen and thus have a history that goes beyond Orys all they way to Durran Godsgrief in the age of heroes.
There were *several* intermarriages between they & other Valyrian houses- in addition to the bastard-born half-Targaryen & *_founder_* of the house, Orys^, Princess Rhaenys' mother was Jocelyn Baratheon, she married her half-nephew, who was a Targaryen- & Jocelyn's mother was Alyssa Velaryon- who was half-Targaryen. Jocelyn's brother, Lord Boremund was head of the house; his son was Lord Borros- he had 4 daughters & a son.
Rhaenys married Corlys Velaryon & had two children with him- the daughter was Daemon's second wife; they had two children - Baela Targaryen married her grandfather's legitimised bastard, Alyn Velaryon; he later had a relationship with his cousin, Princess Elaena Targaryen (who was part Velaryon on her mother's side) - they had two children, Jon & Jeyne Waters; Jon has living descendants in the present-day, under the name Longwaters.
Yes, they have First Men descent from their Durrandon blood - but there's also the better part of 300 years of Valyrian intermarriage after that; most recently, Ormund Baratheon was married to Rhaelle Targaryen, Aegon V's youngest daughter; their child was Steffon- father of Robert, Stannis, & Renly -- if you wouldn't call them a Valyrian house- what *_would_* you call them...?
^ He had one or two sons- the elder son's line was essentially unbroken - the father of Rogar Baratheon, second husband of Dowager Queen Alyssa - Rogar also had 4 younger brothers.
There also scales
legitimated... legitimised... didn't know legitimated was a word...
Yes, sir, indeed it is. It is the past tense or past participle form of the verb "legitimate".
House Celtigar all the way!
Now that I think bout it you think orys mom was a durrandon or a female that had black hair and black eyes
Too bad they changed the Velaryons to not be Valarians in the show.
House Dayne?
Nope
They aren't Targaryen descent but they are of eastern descent and likely related to a family during the Age of the Empire of the Dawn.
This empire were also likely dragon lords long before Valyria.
They are of andal descent, not valerian
@@tavenstrickert9658 they are older than andal
Princess rhaneyra targaryen
finally you stopped recycling HBO extra's and baiting people with the name of the video xD
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Some of these 'Valaryon' fanilies are NOT Valyron blood..LOOK at them. SOME of these fams SERVED the Valaryons. Qohorys, etc-1 or 2 at LEAST are going to be related to the Blood/Fire Mages that were on Valyria. Mysaria herself helped the Sea Valaryons cause the Doom...and the Targaryens were supposed to protect her. SHE is who sent Daeny the Dreamer THE DREAM...SHE helped the Targaryens escape the Doom for protection from the Sea Vals cuz she wanted to escape as well. LOOK at how old she is in the text AND in the show...LISTEN to what she says to Daemon.