For the lord commander ! And for the brothers in black For House Blackfyre!!! Something I realized, Aegon the Unworthy is the grandson of Daemon & Rhaeyera… It’s almost As if he was born with both of their worst characteristic The length of this video is something to behold !!! Perfect for listening while doing housework cheers for the content..
It’s really hard to Dislike Daemon Blackfyre, he was largely content with his life and was pushed to rebel by the ambitions of other men, and by the gods was he a warrior worthy of the title Dragon even if he was a black one
@@KaiHung-wv3ul well, I’d say Daeron was probably the better ruler as a whole, he was after all called the good, but I think Daemon would have been a good strong king but also a generous one, just probably not as smart as Daeron was politically
I felt bad for Deamon II he was really funny and likeable when he was introduced to us. He had a charisma similar to Bealor, with the way he doesn't look down on hedge knights and he wasn't afraid to tell powerful people like Gormon Peake to stfu.
Now where is that certain Bitter dude whose goth half sister rejected him for their magical half brother emo twink 😂 Jokes aside had things gone perfectly House Blackfyre could've been the Targaryen's most loyal cadet house similar to the House Karstarks to House Stark.
“We don’t know how…. But Daemon was able to escape by secret means…. Daemon’s plans were not widely known…” I just put it together. IT WAS BLOOD RAVEN! “A brother that I loved. A brother that I hated.” We might assume he loved King Daeron and hated Aegon, or Daemon. But what if he loved DAEMON and hated AEGOR for persuading Daemon to rebel? Wouldn’t that be the kind of twist GRRM loves? Maybe aiding Daemon’s escape is what changed Bryden into a more of a Machiavellian character seeing that saving Daemon’s life did not one any favors….
I might buy that if it wasn’t Bloodraven n his men the Ravens Teeth that killed Daemon as he was helping Sir Corbray off the battlefield, it certainly wasn’t an honorable way to kill him.
I've started to think that bloodraven actually only killed one Blackfyre personally (Aenys). I think Daemon and his two oldest sons were killed by random archers, I think Daemon II died naturally in the black cells, Haegon was killed by Aerion, and of course Dunk killed Daemon III.
And daemon IV if you even call him that was killed by Maelys, another blackfyre and he himself was slain by another knight of the kingsguard, Barristan the bold. Maelys’s son Maenar was also killed by Maelys when he tried to bring back dragons. Gods I wish the other blackfyres were written about more.
Tbh they don't have a reason. Rebellions like the blackfyre cause would dissolve with Daemons death. By the time they mustered the troops, marched south and what not the war would be decided either way. Raising troops unnecessarily wastes food and needed manpower for taking in the harvest. The north exists in a state of razor thin subsistence farming, fishing and hunting
given we are getting Dunk and Egg i 100% suspect they are laying the ground work for this after House Of The Dragon. I mean they could still call it House of the dragon if they wanted and make it an anthology
Given how Bloodraven is the most magic oriented (at least by current evidence, Quaithe may match him if the theories of her being Shierra Seastar are true), a very interesting alternate timeline would be if Bloodraven hadn't been exiled to the Wall. It was only 64 years after Bloodraven joined the Night's Watch that Daenaerys was able to hatch dragons. And the tragedy of Summerhall is rumoured to be a botched attempt to hatch dragon eggs, that took place when Bloodraven and Shierra, house Targaryen's most proficient magic users, and Maester Aemon, arguably their most proficient scholar, were all absent. Aemon may have only gone to the Night's Watch because Bloodraven did, given its implied they worked closely. And Shierra isn't really mentioned after the Blackfyre rebellions. Dany's only supernatural ability (by Targaryen standards) in the books is being a dreamer. They could almost all ride dragons given their blood. Bloodraven and Shierra (if the rumours are true) had a lot more power and expertise to work with. So if Bloodraven, Shierra and Aemon were all still present and active members or leaders of the dragon hatching project, I reckon they'd have succeeded in hatching a dragon for Aegon V, especially if Dany's virtuous character contributed to whatever forces aided her in developing her blood magic ritual. Aegon V aka Aegon the Unlikely was initially very far down in the line of succession. Due to his relative unimportance he was allowed to travel with Dunk amongst the smallfolk, coming to genuinely care for their wellbeing when he eventually became king. He wanted dragons not to subjugate the smallfolk but to force his lords into submission so they couldn't resist his reforms to aid the smallfolk. It's very similar to Dany using her dragons to atone for the atrocities of Old Valyria by fighting to abolish slavery. Aegon V works to amend the mistakes of Aegon the Conqueror's heirs, like Maegor the Cruel, the Blacks and the Greens, and Aegon the Unworthy (Aegon IV). So in an alternate timeline, I reckon Bloodraven, Shierra and Aemon succeed in developing a ritual that hatches a dragon egg for Aegon V, and it's likely at least Bloodraven, Shierra and Prince Duncan (Aegon V's son) would have become dragon riders shortly after. (Edit: Given Prince Duncan abdicated the throne, if there was a limited supply of eggs it's possible he wouldn't have become a dragon rider, and that Jaehaerys would have become a dragon rider instead. And again depending on egg supply, since Jaeherys died three years later (poisoned by our enemies, the infamous House 'Sudden Illness'), it's possible Aerys, the Mad King, would have been among the foremost dragon riders. That... could've been very bad)
Maelys is still my favorite blackfyre. THE MONSTER OF ESSOS! THE BEAST OF THE EAST! If Andre the Giant. The wrestler was still alive. I'd want him to play Maelys. That would of been my dream casting!
Do we think Bloodraven actually used magic arrows full of EVIL!!!!! or did Daemon and his two sons just die from random arrows fired from random archers?
@@KaiHung-wv3ul but who said that? My question is how would we know for sure? A lot of arrows were loosed that day, and you're telling me it was specifically arrows that came from Bloodraven? That's a pretty convenient story is all I'm saying.
Why did Aegor mistrust Daemon II’s dreams? Is it because he knew Blood Raven messed with dreams? Or did Blood Raven only mess with dreams later in life? Or was Daemon II just a dud and Aegor knew it?
some of the middle section is taken from the Daeron ii / Aenys i series with some stuff cut out to make it more focused, the opening section is new, The Great Council of 233 is different from the Maekar Series with much more focus on Bloodraven and Aenys rather than Aegon V, 4th Blackfyre Rebellion and War of Ninepenny Kings is new. i'd estimate 50/50 new and old.
Actually liked this episode more than what happened in the books and thats sorta the first time ive been watching this show that ive really felt like that other than them having viserys having a long running illness over season 1 rather than just him dying in his sleep in the books.
I believe Damon Blackfyre's real father was Baelor The Blessed and not Aegon The Unworthy and the Dareon II real father was also not Aegon The Unworthy but Prince Aemon the Dragon Knight so this means that although Dareon sat the throne he was an actual bastard and Damon Blackfyre had the higher claim being Baelor's only living son and surviving heir. This makes their entire conflict ironic and a twist. If you don't believe me just go back and look at Fire & Blood or the ASOFI wiki and read about Daena The Defiant and tell me she wasn't successful in consummating her marriage and the entire circumstances of Baelor's death suspicious at best. The same goes for Aemon and Naerys Targaryen, their relationship is a mirror of Cersei-Jamie's relationship to come except with all the toxicity. There was no love in her marriage to Aegon The Unworthy and Aegon hated Aemon all the way until his death, the answers are all right there for the reader to draw the same conclusion. Dareon II isn't Aegon's. Aegon threatened to disinherit him many times, we may never know why he did. Maybe Dareon II already had too much political power and favors. I think Aegon The Unworthy only had 3 Great Bastards and not 4 (excluding Damon) and those were Aegor Rivers, Brynden Rivers, Shiera Seastar. People like to say this was a quick and short conflict but there are so many layers to this story that the human drama in my opinion is superior to the Dance Of Dragons.
10,000 died on the Redgrass field, there were many more in other battles. In my expert opinion 22,000 died in battle and times two wounded and another 10,000 dying of disease
i thought this for a long time, then i read somewhere it was Blood and Fire, but when i started making videos on House Blackfyre and dug into it there words seemingly have not officially been mentioned yet with 'the king who bears the sword' and 'Blood and Fire' apparently coming from the Crusader Kings 2 mod and that slowly seeping into the fandom. My best guess is it will be one of the two
I don't really think it counts as an official house or cadet branch. He was a bastard until his father died and pretty much rebelled against the new king immediately.
nope. fire and blood doesn't get this far. This should be covered in fire and blood volume 2 if grrm ever gets around to it but most of the info comes from The World Of Ice and Fire
Ive mot read the books so love the content. Its seems to me that hbo made most of got up. So why not just start at the beginning and make the lot start to finish and fill in yhe bits the thought arent good enough for tv. The battles would be epic. And lets face it theres enough need and want for it!
Because that's not how it has to work and is a terrible idea. HBO didn't make any of GOT up. Anything they did that wasn't written yet is and will be trash. Thank God the other prequel got banned because it screamed "we want to tell our own story and just use the IP" type of trash
"Beneath the gold, the bitter steel"
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The bittersteel
For the lord commander !
And for the brothers in black
For House Blackfyre!!!
Something I realized, Aegon the Unworthy is the grandson of Daemon & Rhaeyera…
It’s almost
As if he was born with both of their worst characteristic
The length of this video is something to behold !!!
Perfect for listening while doing housework cheers for the content..
Cheers to you hope you are well.
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Big facts, he had their worst aspects
He is the grandson yes but also son of a Lysenese woman so we could reasonably assume his traits also come from his ancestors in Lys.
LONG LIVE HOUSE BLACKFYRE 🗡
FOREVER THE TRUE ROYAL FAMILY KINGS OF WESTEROS!!!!!!
The King Who Bore the Sword.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul 🗡
Good to see you again
BOOOOO! GET OFF THE STAGE!
@DaBloodRaven nah uh-huh boooooo you!!!!!
@@DaBloodRaven Ah, Lord Brynden, I have been expecting you.
hearing or seeing the sword Blackfyre is so chilling knowing what happens years later after Aegon The Unworthy
Blackfyres done 5 battles. All lost. Now they send a spy master. His plans are working.
For now but if there's anything gourge is consistent on is that plans and schemes rarely go as planned.
vasarys had the worst character ending he should of ran to griff in the last season instead of confronting danni
@@professor_kaosdrama3993 faegon didn't exist in the show that's why they had him join Dany.
Varys?
They not sending a spy master, that spy master is there to serve the last Blackfyre, Young Griff or faegon or whatever you want to call him.
Here comes my bedtime listening! Thanks again mate.
It’s really hard to Dislike Daemon Blackfyre, he was largely content with his life and was pushed to rebel by the ambitions of other men, and by the gods was he a warrior worthy of the title Dragon even if he was a black one
Indeed, in the Dance of the Dragons, both Aegon and Rhaenyra were terrible, but it seems that both Daemon and Daeron were very good rulers.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul well, I’d say Daeron was probably the better ruler as a whole, he was after all called the good, but I think Daemon would have been a good strong king but also a generous one, just probably not as smart as Daeron was politically
Seems to be a reoccurring theme with dragons.
I felt bad for Deamon II he was really funny and likeable when he was introduced to us. He had a charisma similar to Bealor, with the way he doesn't look down on hedge knights and he wasn't afraid to tell powerful people like Gormon Peake to stfu.
Where is that Bittersteel Profile guy
Now where is that certain Bitter dude whose goth half sister rejected him for their magical half brother emo twink 😂
Jokes aside had things gone perfectly House Blackfyre could've been the Targaryen's most loyal cadet house similar to the House Karstarks to House Stark.
I love the idea that Young Griff could be a Blackfyre. Maybe he and Dani will unite the house once more?
He is a blackfyre from female side
Im waiting for aegor to appear in the comments😂
Wait can you not see my comment?
I can’t find it Bittersteel
@billychops1280 noooooooo this is terrible how could it happen on this video of all videos.
Thank you for letting me
Sorry I am hijacking comment section because mine disappeared
LONG LIVE HOUSE BLACKFYRE 🗡
@@aegorbittersteel2154 o wait nvm man I just saw it, it was just hidden at first for some reason
4:43 that’s my best portrait right there
Where is aegor, in his absence I shall take the Black
“We don’t know how…. But Daemon was able to escape by secret means…. Daemon’s plans were not widely known…” I just put it together. IT WAS BLOOD RAVEN! “A brother that I loved. A brother that I hated.” We might assume he loved King Daeron and hated Aegon, or Daemon. But what if he loved DAEMON and hated AEGOR for persuading Daemon to rebel? Wouldn’t that be the kind of twist GRRM loves? Maybe aiding Daemon’s escape is what changed Bryden into a more of a Machiavellian character seeing that saving Daemon’s life did not one any favors….
Why is the ridge from which the Ravens teeth slew Daemon called the weeping ridge? Is it because Brynden wept?
betting 10 bucks that Daemon was the brother Bryndon loved, Aegor was the brother he hated, and Daeron was the brother he was loyal too.
I might buy that if it wasn’t Bloodraven n his men the Ravens Teeth that killed Daemon as he was helping Sir Corbray off the battlefield, it certainly wasn’t an honorable way to kill him.
I thought that was obvious. Blood raven would more than likely hang out with fellow basterd deamon instead of the heir.
@@hectorsanchez1377 We can't all be wise like you Hector. ;) But we get there eventually.
I’m so well versed in the lore now thanks to you. I’m also currently reading A Game of Thrones. Thanks for all the info sir we APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH
Thanks for keeping me company during my Sisyphean exercise regimen. I think I may throw a playlist on.
I've started to think that bloodraven actually only killed one Blackfyre personally (Aenys). I think Daemon and his two oldest sons were killed by random archers, I think Daemon II died naturally in the black cells, Haegon was killed by Aerion, and of course Dunk killed Daemon III.
And daemon IV if you even call him that was killed by Maelys, another blackfyre and he himself was slain by another knight of the kingsguard, Barristan the bold. Maelys’s son Maenar was also killed by Maelys when he tried to bring back dragons. Gods I wish the other blackfyres were written about more.
@@matthewballister5684i dont think Maenar is canon
What I’ve been waiting for ❤
Thanks for the video
The Black Dragon will rise again
isn't it interesting that north didn't get involved in blackfrye rebellions.
Weren't they dealing with the island of Skagos and their rebellion?
Tbh they don't have a reason. Rebellions like the blackfyre cause would dissolve with Daemons death. By the time they mustered the troops, marched south and what not the war would be decided either way. Raising troops unnecessarily wastes food and needed manpower for taking in the harvest. The north exists in a state of razor thin subsistence farming, fishing and hunting
They did, at least during Maelys' rebellion. How do you think Ned and Robert ended up as Jon Arryn's wards??
Awesome! Thanks. Keep up the good work
Wow 45 minutes.. For House Stark of Winterfell Wardens of the North🐺
It saddens me not seeing any comments about Aenys Blackfyre. Dude tried with peace and got stabbed in the back
Baratheons and Blackfyres, the two cadet branches of the Targaryen dynasty that keeps them on their toes 😭
I would like to hear on the side characters like fireball and bittersteel
YES longform video
Keep up the good content
Will be a great followup show after house of the dragon
given we are getting Dunk and Egg i 100% suspect they are laying the ground work for this after House Of The Dragon. I mean they could still call it House of the dragon if they wanted and make it an anthology
Given how Bloodraven is the most magic oriented (at least by current evidence, Quaithe may match him if the theories of her being Shierra Seastar are true), a very interesting alternate timeline would be if Bloodraven hadn't been exiled to the Wall. It was only 64 years after Bloodraven joined the Night's Watch that Daenaerys was able to hatch dragons. And the tragedy of Summerhall is rumoured to be a botched attempt to hatch dragon eggs, that took place when Bloodraven and Shierra, house Targaryen's most proficient magic users, and Maester Aemon, arguably their most proficient scholar, were all absent. Aemon may have only gone to the Night's Watch because Bloodraven did, given its implied they worked closely. And Shierra isn't really mentioned after the Blackfyre rebellions.
Dany's only supernatural ability (by Targaryen standards) in the books is being a dreamer. They could almost all ride dragons given their blood. Bloodraven and Shierra (if the rumours are true) had a lot more power and expertise to work with. So if Bloodraven, Shierra and Aemon were all still present and active members or leaders of the dragon hatching project, I reckon they'd have succeeded in hatching a dragon for Aegon V, especially if Dany's virtuous character contributed to whatever forces aided her in developing her blood magic ritual.
Aegon V aka Aegon the Unlikely was initially very far down in the line of succession. Due to his relative unimportance he was allowed to travel with Dunk amongst the smallfolk, coming to genuinely care for their wellbeing when he eventually became king. He wanted dragons not to subjugate the smallfolk but to force his lords into submission so they couldn't resist his reforms to aid the smallfolk. It's very similar to Dany using her dragons to atone for the atrocities of Old Valyria by fighting to abolish slavery. Aegon V works to amend the mistakes of Aegon the Conqueror's heirs, like Maegor the Cruel, the Blacks and the Greens, and Aegon the Unworthy (Aegon IV).
So in an alternate timeline, I reckon Bloodraven, Shierra and Aemon succeed in developing a ritual that hatches a dragon egg for Aegon V, and it's likely at least Bloodraven, Shierra and Prince Duncan (Aegon V's son) would have become dragon riders shortly after.
(Edit: Given Prince Duncan abdicated the throne, if there was a limited supply of eggs it's possible he wouldn't have become a dragon rider, and that Jaehaerys would have become a dragon rider instead. And again depending on egg supply, since Jaeherys died three years later (poisoned by our enemies, the infamous House 'Sudden Illness'), it's possible Aerys, the Mad King, would have been among the foremost dragon riders. That... could've been very bad)
THE KING WHO BORE THE SWORD
House Baratheon heads the call
Nice
Maelys is still my favorite blackfyre. THE MONSTER OF ESSOS! THE BEAST OF THE EAST! If Andre the Giant. The wrestler was still alive. I'd want him to play Maelys. That would of been my dream casting!
Do we think Bloodraven actually used magic arrows full of EVIL!!!!! or did Daemon and his two sons just die from random arrows fired from random archers?
I support the random archers idea btw.
Blood Craving
Or Craven
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Bloodraven specifically killed them, but as for the magic part I'm unsure, but it's certainly possible.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul but who said that? My question is how would we know for sure? A lot of arrows were loosed that day, and you're telling me it was specifically arrows that came from Bloodraven? That's a pretty convenient story is all I'm saying.
Why did Aegor mistrust Daemon II’s dreams? Is it because he knew Blood Raven messed with dreams? Or did Blood Raven only mess with dreams later in life? Or was Daemon II just a dud and Aegor knew it?
I’d love a video like this about the golden company
Lord Varys and Young Griff will avenge House Blackfyre and claim the Throne. Long live House Blackfyre. 🐲 🗡
Is this all those small videos combined
some of the middle section is taken from the Daeron ii / Aenys i series with some stuff cut out to make it more focused, the opening section is new, The Great Council of 233 is different from the Maekar Series with much more focus on Bloodraven and Aenys rather than Aegon V, 4th Blackfyre Rebellion and War of Ninepenny Kings is new. i'd estimate 50/50 new and old.
Actually liked this episode more than what happened in the books and thats sorta the first time ive been watching this show that ive really felt like that other than them having viserys having a long running illness over season 1 rather than just him dying in his sleep in the books.
21:02 Gorman Peake wearing three castles on his tunic when he only has one. The Manderlys should get their castle returned to them.
Sucks they chose Civil War instead of being a loyal, crucial vassal house for their Dynasty
Exactly, and marrying back into the main house over time
@@JayneTheory
Just as the Velaryons did
Personally, I blame both Bittersteel and the sycophants who thrived under Aegon IV
Recreating this stories in warband awoiaf is epic
This whole story in layman’s words:
Tomato, potato?
No, potato and tomato.
This means war!
Also those who supported Daemon were more on board because racism rather then any noble reasons
I believe Damon Blackfyre's real father was Baelor The Blessed and not Aegon The Unworthy and the Dareon II real father was also not Aegon The Unworthy but Prince Aemon the Dragon Knight so this means that although Dareon sat the throne he was an actual bastard and Damon Blackfyre had the higher claim being Baelor's only living son and surviving heir. This makes their entire conflict ironic and a twist. If you don't believe me just go back and look at Fire & Blood or the ASOFI wiki and read about Daena The Defiant and tell me she wasn't successful in consummating her marriage and the entire circumstances of Baelor's death suspicious at best. The same goes for Aemon and Naerys Targaryen, their relationship is a mirror of Cersei-Jamie's relationship to come except with all the toxicity. There was no love in her marriage to Aegon The Unworthy and Aegon hated Aemon all the way until his death, the answers are all right there for the reader to draw the same conclusion. Dareon II isn't Aegon's. Aegon threatened to disinherit him many times, we may never know why he did. Maybe Dareon II already had too much political power and favors. I think Aegon The Unworthy only had 3 Great Bastards and not 4 (excluding Damon) and those were Aegor Rivers, Brynden Rivers, Shiera Seastar. People like to say this was a quick and short conflict but there are so many layers to this story that the human drama in my opinion is superior to the Dance Of Dragons.
10,000 died on the Redgrass field, there were many more in other battles. In my expert opinion 22,000 died in battle and times two wounded and another 10,000 dying of disease
Oh man I wish I had this map. Please does anyone have a link to it?
I thought their house word was “The king who bears the sword”
i thought this for a long time, then i read somewhere it was Blood and Fire, but when i started making videos on House Blackfyre and dug into it there words seemingly have not officially been mentioned yet with 'the king who bears the sword' and 'Blood and Fire' apparently coming from the Crusader Kings 2 mod and that slowly seeping into the fandom. My best guess is it will be one of the two
@@WorldOfWesteros and the king who bears the sword is how ser Eustace Osgrey refers to Daemon in the dunk and egg 2nd book
I don't really think it counts as an official house or cadet branch. He was a bastard until his father died and pretty much rebelled against the new king immediately.
It took him years to be convinced to rebel against Daeron II.
The Targaryen sigil is wrong,the right sigil has 2 legs for the dragon,not 4,GRRM's dragons have 2 legs
Where did you find this map ?
I made it myself, once i fixed a few errors and typos there will be a link to it in video description
@@WorldOfWesteros oh then nice work love it !
Hey look a video about the traitors
No one ever talks about maelys bastard son who rules bloodstone in the current time of GOT
???
Is this story in Fire and Blood? I haven't finished it
nope. fire and blood doesn't get this far. This should be covered in fire and blood volume 2 if grrm ever gets around to it but most of the info comes from The World Of Ice and Fire
@@WorldOfWesteros thanks a lot 🙏🏽 luckily I have the world of ice and fire book.
Love your videos btw 👍🏼
Long lives of rebellion!
Do you elden ring content also? You sound just like another channel.
“Cadet branch” = bastard branch
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Why is daemon called daemon the first if he was never king and why do his heirs get numbers? Is it bc he was legitimized?
That is why they are called pretenders
i think it's more to do with a retrospective history thing, namely that there were three Daemon Blackfyre's and they needed a way to tell them apart.
In which of the book talks about this
Mostly ‘the world of ice and fire’ and some bit from the main books
@@WorldOfWesteros thanks
Would be sick as a tv series more politics
Ive mot read the books so love the content.
Its seems to me that hbo made most of got up. So why not just start at the beginning and make the lot start to finish and fill in yhe bits the thought arent good enough for tv. The battles would be epic. And lets face it theres enough need and want for it!
Because that's not how it has to work and is a terrible idea. HBO didn't make any of GOT up. Anything they did that wasn't written yet is and will be trash. Thank God the other prequel got banned because it screamed "we want to tell our own story and just use the IP" type of trash
Were dragons gone by this point?
Yes we can almost be thanful
These guys are basically the grandchildren of Rhaneryas children
House Peake are the worst
Peake performance
Ser Bold Jon Rockstar
It’s weird that so many people like the Blackfyres since George beats us over the head with the fact that the rebellion was over sexism and bigotry
How are the Blackfyre Rebellions solely about sexism and bigotry? What pocket of your sphincter did you pull thats shit from?
Bruh Aenys Blackfyre was kind of dumb
More like House Trash Fire.
NO
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I don't like no black nor red dragon but green and gold.
Mummers Dragon
Blackfyre House >>>>>>> (1 month later) >>>>>>>> All the other houses put together