Josh Pate On Tennessee Fighting The NCAA (Late Kick Cut)
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- Tennessee is once again under NCAA investigation causing an uproar Tuesday and into Thursday from within the administration in Knoxville as well as the fan base. On Late Kick Live Ep 479 Josh Pate reacted to the latest NCAA investigation into Tennessee and discussed what he thinks could be coming. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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The agenda is deep.... Pat Forde and the podcast he was on last night was beyond ridiculous.... Hating on an 18/19 yr old that is a good young man... Making fun of his name... Sad
He’s getting cooked on X right now. What a moron that guy is.
I saw that racist crap. What is he thinking?
They were just straight up racist tbh
I hadn’t hear that. I do my best to avoid propaganda & the people who push it, but it doesn’t surprise me! Nico, I assume that’s who he made fun of, & Tennessee need to call him out, but they won’t! They’ll take the high road & set the right example showing class the whole way imo.
@ArthurCallahan389 Forde is a known UT hater I really don't think they will respond because there's not much need to, Forde and that other dude already made themselves look dumb just let em keep digging the hole deeper imo.
The problem is Tennessee has repeatedly asked the NCAA to meet with them to go over the rules and break it down in the past and all Tennessee got was crickets
And that's Tennessee's fault? They're trying to penalize retroactively using "rules" that didn't exist at the time of the supposed infractions.
Let's suppose you get a documented warning for going 75 mph in a 70 mph zone, then two years later they speed limit on that road is changed to 50. Should you get a ticket for 25 mph over the speed limit because you going 75 was documented? That's what the NCAA is trying to do, and as Danny White said, EVERY school with a collective is guilty.
The NCAA still has a place in college sports. Safety being key among them. NIL is not their place and the Supreme Court of the United States already told them so. Unanimously, no less. Not a whole lot of unanimous Supreme Court decisions in the last decade.
@@lovejoyb20 no it's not Tennessee fault they tried to work with the NCAA but the NCAA didn't want to go over the rules with anyone
@@michaelward9528 I figured that's what you meant, but wanted to make sure because your comment doesn't explain why the NCAA would then investigate Tennessee.
Tennessee knows what not to do. They don’t need to be told.
@@ToddAtkinsShow Actually, no one knew what to do with NIL during that time, especially the NCAA.
It's fun to see everyone standing behind Tennessee athletics for once. I'd be right there if this was Bama, Florida, Georgia etc. It makes me smile!😊
Virginia is also suing the NCAA!
because the smart fans know that if tennessee loses, then the NCAA will just come after all of their collectives too.
It's really just content creators.
@@tetoffense7659 I didn't realize there were so many!
@@tetoffense7659 Really? So all the replies to all the content creators who are against the NCAA are just bots or fake accounts? Whew! Glad you filled us in! Now I won’t look like a dumb@$$ & be the only real person who supports Tennessee & Virginia’s lawsuits against them😁
Hold my orange! 🤣
As a Bama fan, I never thought I would say this but.......GO VOLS!
GBO!!! 🍊
As a hardcore Tennessee fan, thank you! Roll Tide 👊
It only makes sense. If they're willing to go after UT what's to stop them from going after anyone else? I'm a UT fan but if I saw this happening to Bama or anyone else I'd be in the same boat with Bama fans etc.
Virginia also deserves credit because the state joined Tennessee's AG in the lawsuit.
"F around and find out"
Tennessee
Maybe the rest of the country will finally understand why this is called the volunteer state. Yes, we volunteer to lead the charge against a bureaucracy. Every other state/school needs to jump on board
UT has a crap reputation.
@@tetoffense7659no they don’t. They fired Pruitt when they found out he was cheating his butt off. They haven’t been caught cheating much. Not even close to the amount of times Bama and Auburn have. Tennessee AD Dickey even flew to a boosters house one time and told him to stop offering money to recruits. Does that sound like something Bama or Auburn would do?
Holy smokes, this was great ...and entertaining. Well done
The NCAA is inconsistent in their rulings. They also make up rules as they go along.
I wonder if Nico and Tennessee have a defamation suit against Mr. Forde after all this? 🤔
After hearing some fans talk about the bullshit that POS said I wouldn’t be surprised.
@user-lg3ne4ve2oSuing for getting your feelings hurt? Get outta here
@user-lg3ne4ve2oplease explain how that has anything to do with the what he was saying, y’all make ANYTHING political
@user-lg3ne4ve2othere is nothing defamatory about what Pat Forde said. He reported facts as reported to him-right or wrong. I hate the guy, but it's not defamatory. Comparing it to Trump, who directly quotes Hitler , is not the same comparison. No need for that in the sports realm.
When did trump directly quote hitler? Honestly curious. Havent heard that one before? @bryanlemons
I’d like to recommend the TH-cam video ; “Reggie Bush vs the NCAA”. It does an excellent job covering not just covering that specific incident but also giving quite the simple but effective overview of what the NCAA is and how and why its downfall has come about.
Josh the NCAA has always been uneven. When I played in the 80s the strength coach from Auburn was apprehended with a quantity of steroids. He named schools he was providing the steroids to and nothing happened. USC was caught changing grades to keep athletes eligible and their probation ended the day before the Rose Bowl. One of the Utah schools gets hammered because a coach bought a recruit a hamburger meal off campus, while an agent has a party for his college eligible players that makes the media and nothing happens. The NCAA has simply wanted to provide the illusion of oversight. To any intelligent observer they have lacked credibility
The NCAA doing absolutely nothing to UNC basketball invalidates any argument in their favor
The NCAA has always been reactive and never proactive in these situations.
Enjoyed this clip Josh. Great job sir.
Have we thought about why the national media “investigative college football reporters” are all backing the NCAA? Because without the NCAA they are all out of a job! That’s how irrelevant there job already is. They live off creating storylines that the NCAA creates.
Pat Forde, Dan Wetzel, Dan Wolken, Dennis Dodd all out of a job once the NCAA finally dies!!
Lol those dudes are about to get reprimanded hah
Youre damn right Colin gets to hit the play button! F*ck the NCAA!
The NCAA violated numerous rules when investigating Miami and when they didn’t find anything yet still ruled out a “punishment”.
This is just extra plot for the The Tennessee story of 2024 National Champions lmao
Josh at least you're bringing some dialogue and I think we all appreciate that!
It is over for these nerds. I'd be shocked if this goes past July 12th. IYKYK.
Great show man. Go vols! 🍊
Pat Forde is a damn joke
Sec and Alabama are the main example on why conferences should not Police them selves . Alabama has been their cash cow and can do absolutely no wrong . They have been protected at any Cost with no care of people seeing the obvious bias .
Every school should be on board with this lawsuit, because it's going to mean players at EVERY school can capitalize on their NIL. EVERY SCHOOL.
As an SMU alum, I will say that the NCAA has a tendency to perform Selective enforcement...they will refocus on someone else soon... 🙂
Where's my mustard bottle?
In THIS case, the problem I have with what the NCAA is doing is jumping in front of the buggy. They are trying to enforce rules they really haven't hashed out or made clear.
The rules come from the Presidents.
My specific is the University of Tennessee even tried to meet with the NCAA which they declined and then made up rules six months later and try to go back and penalize the VOLS over rules that weren’t even rules yet and the state of Tennessee came up with legislation to protect kids that have signed NIL deals with affiliations away from the university they choose to attend. So.. NCAA, if ya want guidelines go to Congress. 🤷♂️😂
What up brother. And, this was also based on CA laws that were passed saying that a school could interact, etc. with a HS player as well.
@@hillvolfan exactly PapaJ! No Tennessee or California laws were broken in Nico’s deal. How come Pat Forde didn’t bring up Nwaneri and him choosing Mizzou after laws were changed to allow him to receive NIL money as a high school athlete? Wouldn’t that be considered inducement as well? It’s crazy how they pick Nico and the VOLS! 😂😂
I don't think confrences are going to seriously punish their members. Individual conferences need their schools to succeed on the national stage. That's like asking inmates to keep their doors locked- while giving them the keys to the prison...
Go Vols
The problem I have with the ncaa is how they appear to favor some schools. When it’s a penn st or Ohio st they make quick decisions but on other schools they drag accusations out for years
Tressel gave himself up in order to get it over sooner. This allowed Pryor to enter supplemental draft. No one was really arguing for Penn State when Sandusky was sitting in jail.
All the coaches from major colleges and ad's should get together and vote on the rules they want and vote on them and put them in place and then hire a committee to run it and say this is what you are going to get paid. Then if any of the schools get fined for violations the money should be split up and divided and given back to all athletic department except the one that was fined. And the committee they put in place to enforce these rules does not get to keep any of the money collected from fines. Simple ok ok
This isn't Nam, there are rules!!!!
Dummy😊
There were rules in Nam, too. But what rules are you referring to exactly?
@jeremymorrow8642 donnie, you're out of your element
Thank you to all fans who took the time to look and see that this was unjust and could happen to ANYONES team and standing behind UT rather than just dancing around the fire of your rival burning. Theres a time and place for rivalry and wishing for their downfall. But this isnt the Pruitt stuff this is made-up BS by NCAA. BTW Every UT fan was ALL for the COMPLETE PURGE of all things Pruitt at UT. Most were for it before the news about paying students came about. How embarassing for him to pay players and still lose so badly. GBO!
Was that arms of an angel? Lol
A specific reason is that the NCAA is not consistent!!!
I agree an overhaul has been warranted for quite some time.
Was there a piano playing for anyone else what the heck
To this day I’m still mad at what happened to USC and Reggie. I hope all of this smoke leads to a fire and I hope usc gets their justice
If the commissioners of the power 5 (4?) football conferences, their university presidents and athletic directors could actually put their heads and wallets together they could form a League, hire a commissioner and form a committee on rules and regulations for competition AND athlete compensation. This body could be a powerful negotiator with the television networks as well, controlling revenue. Individual franchises / schools could absolutely be licensees of their brand and capitalize on their own market places, but as far as what happens in the games (competition) and in the pocketbooks of the players is governed and enabled by this new League. Maybe we call it the Collegiate Football League (wait… the CFL is Canadian) or something.
This all seems inevitable and might be forced on the NCAA as a new layer to the operation and governance of the game we all love, by the courts or legislature. It would be best if it happened on their own accord. I'm not too confident in that actually happening because folks in those positions of power have egos bigger than Neyland Stadium.
Bigger still may be the need for the athletes themselves to have a stake and voice in these formations and operations. A college football player's union will need to be formed. When you declare yourself available to the high school recruitment system you must join this union. When you want to transfer you must be a member. The offers of NIL (or whatever that becomes) and the machinery by which a student moves from team to team is regulated by a collective bargaining agreement, one that is agreed upon by the new league and the CFPU.
I know this sounds just like the pro athletic leagues but there is an extra layer of protection and that may be the role of NCAA. The integrity of the student and ensuring that their opportunity to actually get an education isn't lost. It is by the way, a means of growing into adulthood well. To quote South Park's Chef, "Children, there's a time and a place for everything and it's called "College"".
If Tennessee wants to spend $8 Million on 1 player, let them. If they want to fly that recruit on a boosters plane...let them. It doesn't mean that coaching staff can coach them up once they get there
They spend money like Tennessee hillbillies. I hope Nico sucks. 8 million for 1 non proven athlete.
hi
My specific gripes, Josh Pate, is that they are SELECTIVE on investigation and enforcement. They protect certain programs or coaches; *cough* Alabama and Saban *cough* while investigate their rivals (Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Tennessee all investigated multiple times under Saban). As a Tennessee fan, I remember Pruitt and I remember what SYSTEM he came from. He did NOT just learn to cheat at Tennessee, it came from a system already in place that he was a part of at both Alabama and Georgia. I saw the recent favoritism that went in Alabama's favor in the recent CFB Playoff selection. I remember the bad calls officials keep having when teams threaten Alabama like some of the calls against Georgia in Atlanta that favored Alabama/Saban. NCAA and the sport has their favorites and people are tired of it. You don't take a 7-6 program and have the greatest recruiting classes ever in CFB like Saban did in 2007 and 2008 without something going on.
But if they were only 7-6 and started blatantly cheating, why would the NCAA start this huge conspiracy to protect them?
NCAA should just disappear into the dust bins of history. Time to change folks.
My problem with NCAA is its failure to allow due process. NIL undoubtedly is the death of the NCAA. They have no idea how to administer it properly. NCAA has also allowed undue stress on schools by allowing the dumb transfer rule numerous times. They shot themselves in the foot again. Their laziness in adjusting is nuts.
SEC !!!
so if we win what about the ncaa cfb game?
I support the NCAA on this. They need to close the loophole and end using the NIL as a pay to play scheme. The rules never changed when it came to boosters and pay to play. At best we can say enforcement has been lacking and a lot more of it is needed.
Ok, fair enough. The penalties should offset for every school, because every school is doing the same stuff..... still first down. Instead of singling out 3 or 4 schools as examples.
Wrong orange in thumbnail 💔
College football needs a governing body that is focused on the good of the game, and players. I don't care if it's the ncaa or what you call it
This is the absolute WORST time to be losing your offensive coordinator. If he leaves you may very well see another mass exodus of players when the portal opens back up. Not to mention this is a critical time for coach Deboer establishing himself as the head coach at Alabama.
Man, how dumb can a gump be lmao 🤣
Send out a couple of half-decent lawyers and the NCAA dissolves into a puddle of goo ...
This is for all the teams in the country stop the bullshit ncaa or step out
the NCAA hates Tennessee? i couldve told u that years ago.
The NCAA has overreacted and over- reached for decades. Handing out death penalties without giving players an option to leave. Ruining kid's college careers to make a point. Changing rules all the dang time and enforcing them retroactively... there are far too many examples.. TV contracts that allow for 8 to 12 Commercials during breaks!! While the game clock runs and the games are not any shorter! Less football - more commercials Lame!
NCAA is horrible..
You didn’t even read the best part. :/
Wish they'd go after longhorns
Oh give it time.
Don't talk about the McDonald's bags they got a slap on the wrist for, though.
Lol. 60k in payments to players that they paid an $8 million dollar fine on and lost scholarships for 5 years? That one? Stfu unless you wanna bring facts, not feelings.
@@sneakybow1 That's laughable. Other programs got killed for lesser infractions. Do you want me to rattle off the crap they did to Miami. What a freakin joke.
Nonsense. We lost half our team, our coaching staff, and lots of scholarships that we still are making up for. We fired anyone involved. What else can the school do when coaches bring their Bama practices with them and try to cheat.
@davidfranklin3180 You wanna compare the ridiculousness of what they did to Miami after the pocket change and meals that were given to the players. It's not even close. You all got off easy as hell.
Bring the NCAA down
Have you watched Patt Forde and company making fun of Nico's name?
I hope they get fired for that bs
People should be hammering anyone who employs Forde after his comments
Class action lawsuits from former athletes 😊
Hell just let everybody cheat because college football players are worth millions
Where was all this outrage when the NCAA went after Michigan? Not sure how smart it is to attack and mock the NCAA like Tennessee is doing either. Harbaugh learned what that is like.
You really have to ask that?😂😂😂😂
* it’s different when it’s made up bullshit and not actually cheating 🤷♂️
Well when evidence of Michigan's rule violations are released on a daily basis and then they've been doing it for three seasons and they're on track to win the national championship then the NCAA investigation of them doesn't get much sympathy from people.
Because Michigan's situation doesn't compare to UT's in literally any sort of way lol Michigan flat out cheated, UT is getting investigated over something that happened before "rules" we're even put into place it's literally not just UT the NCAA is about to target a lot more schools as well (which is why everyone is standing behind Tennessee on this)
@@bradleyrhodes2820 Actually, ESPN said the NCAA could charge multiple Level I and Level II violations since they are already on probation. That makes this much worse.
@@Bubbles--- Except for the fact Tennessee is already on probation for doing this very same thing. And then went ahead and did it even more. I would argue paying for players illegally is more cheating than a grainy iPhone video of the sidelines.
We tried to tell yall where it was going from the start! Should have placed some rules and guidelines down from the jump! Now you've (NCAA) got a mess on your hands! Stop pay for play, pretty simple!!!
😂 go to work for free then.
They can’t stop pay for play, pretty simple. After the Supreme Court NIL ruling, they literally have no legal way to stop it.
Great takd on this but who cares, its just gor show, all of it
That piano music really detracted from the moment. Awful producing.
They was created to protect players on the field because kids was dying on the athletic field now that is no longer a issue and now they are mediocre at best they can’t even put together a decent transfer portal schedule they don’t really know the sport because if they did things would be more well thought out they come up with a idea and go with it without thinking it through they mis managed the past 25 years and it’s time for a change
Idiocy and hypocrisy of the NCAA aside - if NIL never had been instituted and collegiate athletes remained AMATEUR, STUDENT-athletes we wouldn't be here. Everyone likes to bitch and moan about the horrible effects created by NIL and the complete lack of structure surrounding it but nobody is saying "Maybe we shouldn't be allowing colleges to pay STUDENT-athletes who are supposed to be amateur as to promote being a STUDENT first." Having said that, if we are stuck with it, I agree with Josh. For once
Yeah Cartmann covered this pretty thoroughly I think.
The sport needs mitigation of some sort or the sport will die.
Did they pay nico 8 mil or not
Spyre Sports and Nico mutually agreed to a contract that was NOT contingent with Nico signing with UT but that he would be under contract with Spyre Sports if he went to ANY school. Spyre Sports took a risk but understood that Nico would be in NFL very soon. Nico signed that contract in Feb and The Volunteer Club was created (TN's collective) in March and was flown to UT in March by someone in the collective. The NCAA later changed the wording of anyone involved with the collective to be called BOOSTERS. Nico was an employee of Spyre Sports and the collective was a "entity" of Spyre Sports. An employee can be flown any where at any time by their employer. The NCAA kept grandfathering names and so called "rules" after the fact.
@@hillvolfan spyre is owned by tennessee alums ?
@@otha1323 - Point being ...?
@hillvolfan your right in your stance but you can't say that they didn't influence nico into signing to vols , they have vols written across there face lol
@@otha1323 - So, that is a new NCAA law? I get your point, not trying to be a butt, but, you can not tell me that the school you are a fan of hasn't winked winked nudged nudged 30 players each and every year even before NIL.
😂😂😂
Josh, can you confirm or deny the rumor that Coach Sabin will be your co-host during the 2024 CFS, and the show will be renamed Pate State and the Great?
Josh isn’t that stupid, he don’t need cry baby saban
wtf lmao
Our best athletes were exploited(our children) without any kind of monetary compensation for generations while billions were made in television contracts by our universities and the NCAA did nothing, said nothing. Hard to envision the NCAA as the arbiters of propriety given what we know about their track record. If anyone should understand how good it is to get paid ridiculously fat stacks, it should be the NCAA. Great work Pate Train.
Tennessee was ok the NCAA when Phillip Fulmer was snitching to get his team out of trouble.
Me me me me I I I I
the beginning of the end, and rightly so, adios amigo NCAA
CFB is dead...
College football is more popular than ever. What are you talking about?
No it's not. Far from it. College football has grown more popular over the last several years than it ever has.
Surprisingly more fans like the NIL and Transfer Portal than oppose it and College football fan base has grown since they began NIL and the transfer portal.
The new fans and lots of the current fan bases like that College football is becoming just minor league NFL.
The 12 team playoff starting next season is just going to make it more popular
The problem with Ryan Day and Ohio State is they load up on skill position players and QBs. They added 1 DL and zero portal EDGES in the portal, and signed only 2 in in the HS ranks, a bunch of DBs and safeties in the HS ranks a d portal. This man is doing tOSU dirty. in HS. Once again, Day adds Downs (who, like you said,may be the best football player on the team), they added another 3 QBs in the portal and HS,. added a RB (who is another skill player), they added arguable the worst Bama lineman, and added a 3 star TE. Don't even get me started on their HS recruit. Day should be addressing their terrible to bad defense, but no,they added a safety and one 3 star edge in the portal,and 2 in HS. They added 2 CBs, 2 safeties, 1 DL,1 LB, 1 EDGE, 0 portal edges, they're all offensive players. In HS they added an abundance of offensive players lkke TE, WR'S and IOL. They need MORE on defense,not offense. They're failing. Full stop.
Ryan Day is getting fired after this season. Mark it down. He's basically Tom Herman with a better overall record.
They had a top 5 defense last year brought back most their guys and added maybe the best safety in cfb Day is killing it!! Terrible take 😂
Josh the clown never disappoints - too many theatrics and too much jibberjabber!
Yet you still watch, troll
They’re only suing because they know they’re breaking rules
Except the university didn't die anyone. 2 states did. Do you think they didn't have the lawsuits started before this? You don't file a major lawsuit in hours. The states have been working in this for a while
Rocky Flop is guilty AF
Of what? You can't retroactively enforce rules that weren't in place at the time of said accusation. Try again.
@@sneakybow1 You can’t negotiate money with a recruit! See FSU ! You can’t fly a recruit on a private jet during an unofficial visit.
@@samright4661 you could during that time, and still can due to laws in place in both Tennessee and California. He was an employee of Spyre sports due to his contact directly with them, not with the university of Tennessee or any other university. You can't retroactively enforce rules that weren't in place during that time frame. What part of that do you not understand? The FSU case in completely different than this one. Tennessee is going to carry the water for the other 133 schools and slap the NCAA down to where every athlete will be able to capitalize on their own NIL. It's that simple
Tennessee athletes are no longer volunteers............
Time to permanently ban Tennessee.
The NCAA is a waste of time and money? Complete joke
Meh kinda, just too big for their britches
NCAA needs to go away