@LateKickwithJoshPate I like how the discussion is Georgia and it's fans have no cares given and lack of ethics but everyone else's fans are righteous about fire Kirby and dismantle the whole team. I would like to see how many of the more vocal burn the system down are rival fans, OSU fans, and others who have a fighting chance to win stuff if they could beat UGA. I wonder when we went from these students being adults learning to be adults away from home for the first time? These "kids" should have been taught how to be adults provided by parents and society before the college level. Yes Smart should provide guidance but is on student to take responsibility.
You spent 16 minutes calling out fans instead of holding the program accountable for all of the off field issues over the past couple of years. Yes there’s culture if it wasn’t then they wouldn’t have transitioned from being a sleeping giant. However that doesn’t put them or Kirby Smart above criticism.
These guys think they are 18 year old gods. 29 arrests for a team of 100ish is insane. As someone who graduated from UGA, partied, and didn't get arrested once, frankly I find it really hard to get in trouble there. The players that wanted the NIL stuff treated it like some kind of social justice campaign. Looks like it's gonna end up just like every other social justice campaign: narcissists ruining everyone else's lives while we smile and say "it's the only way."
Lmao y’all LOVE pretending you actually care about graduation rates more than winning games and being successful at football. You only “care” because you don’t like UGA 😂
@@domenicdurante966 Of course not. I only care about what happens between the hedges. I let the guys into soap operas worry about all the off the field drama.
Yes, they do have a major culture problem. The driving incidents alone are out of control and have resulted in lives changed forever. Source: a fan whose school also once had a culture problem.
@@GLJ2414 Momentum is a hell of a drug in CFB Mich. St. Was also a winning program, not a dominant as GA. But a winning program that could block out culture problems Until they weren't
I saw a list today of the graduation rate of football players since 2016. Clemson is setting the standard at 99%. Georgia was the last team on the list at 41%. Yes, they loose a lot of players leaving early for the draft, but so does Alabama with a 93% graduation rate.
@Panhandledawg1 😂😂😂😂.....I didn't find a single website that ranked Jawjuh as a top 20 school clown. Forbes was the highest I could find and had them at #54. Nice try though
@@michaelbaker8633 UGA is literally ranked 20 in top public schools from US News and World Report. bad try though. what school did you go to to learn research of the caliber? 🤔🤔🤔
I care about it but theres not much we can do about it. You can have all types of classes, training, etc but people are going to do what they will. The key is holding every one of them accountable. Show the others they will be punished. Football career will be over before it begins
@@TheMCJ2011 found a great critical thinking GA fan! Other fans, such as us, are not saying it to smear the program. Obviously, it’s elite and UGA will be a national title contending team this year. It’s to point out an obvious problem that needs to be fixed. If Alabama was experiencing the same problems, I’d say the same thing. Crime is somewhat of a problem at Alabama as well, but not to the degree of Georgia. Despite the discrepancy, it’s a problem I still feel Alabama needs to continue to address. Too many publicized awful acts such as the Miller situation & Ruggs for examples. Georgia fans should recognize that for their program as well.
UGA fans won’t care and non UGA fans will make fun of them for it. Happens during all dynasties. The worst being UF and Miami. Well besides Saban and Bobby. They’re the only coaches who went by relatively clean. And yes FSU during their run; was involved in an online music course cheating scandal. But that was it for Bobby. Not program wide arrests.
I don’t understand why fans wouldn’t care. And I don’t understand how Kirby would fail in this respect due to his closeness with Saban. Graduation and making men great is all he taught. Not just NFL talent. Where did that go when he left? Or is it seriously just choosing the wrong guys to play for you?
@@hudsonstovall8119 Kirby is his own man. He definitely doesn’t have the same tight grip on his program; like Saban did. Kirby is a renowned recruiter. Which makes him a great coach. He is not known for developing a program. He’s never had to start from scratch. Like Saban in what 07/08? Kirby has jumped from great program to great program.
@@Battlegnome112 This is very true. One of Saban’s big sayings was the NFL stands for “Not for long”. Look at guys such as Greg McElroy, Mark Ingram for examples of life after football. Julio is next. Something Kirby and UGA need to think about.
I do think it's important for people to acknowledge the gap between "a culture problem" and a "rotten culture". You can have a strong culture that's afflicted with problems.
@@jimmyjam5453 now you're moving the goalposts. Is a culture problem mutually exclusive with a strong culture or not? Maybe it is out of control--it looks like it from the outside. But unless you're an insider in Athens, we won't know that til we see the product on the field. I'm not claiming it's one way or another; as an Ole Miss fan, I hope there's horrible inner turmoil, so long as it doesn't result in anyone (else) getting hurt. I'm just saying it's not a black or white question.
They don’t deserve to be kicked off the team (except for RaRa). But it is a problem that needs to be addressed within the program. Whatever they’re doing isn’t working so far.
@@aroncampos572090% of them are good kids, but making dumb decisions with a lot of money at 18-21 years old is so normal it’s crazy. I don’t have any money and I got speeding tickets at that age. Kirby is starting to suspend and kick players off the team for it, but that’s really all you can do after trying to be stern and preach to stop doing it. Kids will be kids
@@JWalk-j6v Last I checked UGA's culture issues didn't start until 2 years ago Got worse the following year. Like really started to become an issue. Where was UGA last year? The prior year they was lucky to make to the NC like pure luck.
@@BNSF39 wow, you don't care about the Dawgs do you? I can't reply to absurdity opinion with no facts. How about the National Championship team with Urban Meyer at Florida had 41 players on the team that were arrested and WON.
@@JWalk-j6v How did they do after that got out of hand? Not so good last I checked and have never really recovered since. You are just proving My point dude. Off the field issues and cultures will destroy a program. Ever hear of the phrase, get your head in the game? Yea that's what this is about. Regardless of what it is. It creates conflict, distractions where most players stop caring what happens, and especially today with the amount of money being thrown around. Teamwork don't end when you hit the sidelines or head to the locker room and it certainly does not end between games. What these guys are doing is selfish and don't give a shit.
@@BNSF39 okay distraction is an everyday thing for young people who are in college since the Flintstones. USC had distraction winning the National Championship as Florida and Ohio State etc. The off the field problems come with winning and eyes are on your programs. Nobody cares about the problems at Vanderbilt. Yes I'm aware of the phrase 'head in game" and the other one I hear is"speed don't slump ". You run a 4.3 in the 40, you can be distracted. The more top athletes you got the more your winning. The culture of the Dawgs isn't what you think it is. The media is blowing it up and selling it. These guys had a terrible tragedy and it has brought the program under intense scrutiny from the media and local police. Two players were ticketed and paid $28 dollars but the media said arrested and released after posting $28 dollar bond and released less than an hour. That's not culture but teenagers speeding. But everyone sees two more arrested and Kirby is responsible. It's just not true. The accident that was tragic wasn't the program but kids not doing the right thing. Especially if you know one was a Ford Explorer and the other was a Hellcat(jeep). Wasn:t much of a race in my opinion just dumb. I kinda see your point and there is some truth there. But I think bigger the program the bigger the problems. Florida and Ohio State were great with the talent and distractions, when the coaches were let go or left is when most losing came in. When Bobby Bowden was rolling at Florida State they were scrutinized for the arrested players. Miami was the best in the 80/90 years and produced plenty of pro and criminals. I guess my point is that all programs are dealing with the same thing, NIL and young people who are around pretty girls and getting in trouble. UGA is no different but they are winning on the field and off the field is magnified. Kirby can't Stop RaRa from the emotional side that assaulted a female. He immediately released him, thats all anybody can do. Off the field during summer is the most stressful time cause kids are going home and they are making bad decisions. It's part of the deal.
Kick who off the team? Rara is suspended indefinitely while Kirby and the program await more information about his incident. David Daniel-Sisavanh was kicked off the team just 2 weeks ago for his second traffic-related offense. No one else has gotten in trouble more than once.
@@kylefunderburk4194 Georgia has a problem for sure. A big one. But don’t listen to this guy. Kicking players off the team for minor infractions is wrong. RaRa is an obvious exception. Kirby needs to call Saban and the UoA program to get more tips on how to get the rate up. May hurt your ego, but it needs to happen. Alabama continually had a ~90% grad rate through the dynasty. Even when Kirby was there.
There can be a distinction between on and off the field culture. It’s not an on/off switch for whether or not there’s a culture issue. On field, it doesn’t appear there’s an issue. Off the field, anybody can see we have major issues, and that’s speaking as a Georgia fan. I don’t have a solution, but there is very obviously a problem.
Boom!!! Josh just described what the culture IS at Georgia! In business we often called it "self-directed work teams". The difference has been displayed on multiple occasions over the last few years. When the players themselves feel strong enough about each other(insert LOVE) to be able to criticize each other without creating animosity to the extent that it becomes a detriment to the success of the team as a whole it results in a cohesiveness that cannot be achieved simply from coaching! That in my opinion is the essence of what Kirby is building at Georgia. It ain't there yet! But it is definitely a WIP!!!
I like how no one exept Josh is willing to suggest that Kirby just migjt not be good at that aspect of his job. But if you do suggest it, people lose their minds. Lol. But its true, he's clearly not the best at developing an environment to keep these things fron happening. It is what it is. Maybe he'll get better at it.
If the same thing was happening at another school, UGA fans would be pointing the finger. If the same thing was happening at another school, supporters of that other school would be making excuses and defending their school/coach. Culture is only an issue when it’s happening to a rival program.
At this point you have to question a lot. The type of kids they are recruiting, the lack of devolping these kids into men and the lack of leadership on the team.
Is that Kirby Smarts job to develop kids into men? Maybe, not totally sure about that. UGA has put 63 players into the NFL in the past 6 years, they must be doing something right huh? Im not denying there is a problem, but your post is misleading.
@@litedawg you beg and plead for families to sign off on there 17 year old child going to a school to learn and play football yes but also to be a safe place for there literal child to grown into being a man, a place where these kids with zero life expierence can learn what being a man is. These are not adults, these are young men and children with no life expierence. Putting kids into the league? Brother most power 5 schools would of put those kids in the league and that has nothing to do with learning how to properly function in the real world on your own. Plenty of programs pump kids into the league. Only 1 program is dealing with the amount of offseason problems Georgia is.
@@drumusic5665 Im not your brother. 1. You have no idea if other schools would have put them into the league 2. Kirby provides a safe space for them on campus, is it his fault they drive 90 in a 60.? 3. Kirby is not their parents . My parents would have NEVER let me buy a hot rod at 18 years old. As Josh pointed out , you just dont like this because UGA most likely kicks the crap out of your team.
@@litedawg my bad sister. 1. Yes we do 😂 we saw a 3rd round pick come from Yale this year, any major program would of taken those kids (if healthy) and turned them pro. These weren't 2 stars. 2. Yes it is because no other major program in the country has this problem, only Georgia. When you are the outlier then you are indeed doing something wrong 3. The problem is Georgia asks parents to remove there children from there hometown, isolate them around other young kids who do not know how to be an adult and then have them immediately start making money. Which is fine if you are doing your part as a leader with helping to teach these 17 year Old kids how to be an adult. If you separate kids from there support system and then offer them no support system you can't be suprised when they do not know how to act as a grown member of society 4. IM FROM ATLANTA, Georgia is my absolute favorite SEC squad. I'm a huge Kirby fan. And even if I wasn't if you are using that as a reason Georgia doesn't have a culture problem then you might actually be 14 years old.
My opinion is that with all the off the field issues that are going on with this team is getting worse. With that being said it will ultimately affect there recruiting. They will still win a ton of games because that’s what Kirby has built there.
Smart has got to take control of his players weather it's making these guys run stairs or sprint's till they puke or limit playing time. This is a bad look for UGA.
The head of the Alabama State Troopers was seen entering an Alabama game wearing a National Championship Ring. As he made his way to the elite boxed section he was asked is that a replica? He was happy to say "No Nick Saban gave it to me"
Is there a problem at UGA? Yes! Is UGA perfect?no! But saying Kirby hasn’t done anything obviously isn’t true, because he literally removed 2 players from the team RECENTLY! But he could be more severe on suspensions In my opinion. And I do agree with Josh that most of this is because y’all’s teams can’t beat us so this is all y’all got. But the dumbest thing you can say is “it only happens at Georgia.” Because news flash UNC recently had loss of life in a vehicle accident. Florida had a guy involved in a hit and run. And Tennessee has had about as many players arrested this year as UGA but no other be talks about it. And let’s be honest Nick Saban wasn’t perfect either. I read the old news articles, there said the same things towards him as they are to Kirby now.
I agree 100 percent. All the fan bases of these teams know that Georgia is going to spank their ass along with every other school not coached by Nick Saban.....he was the goat for a reason. Kirby is clearly now the best in the business
Nick Saban's program graduated over 90% of the kids who came through it for 17 years. Kirbys program clearly doesn't prioritize educating these kids and preparing them to be productive citizens after their football career is over the same way Alabama did. Comparing what Saban built to the kind of program Kirby is running is almost as disgraceful as UGAs graduation rates
Terrible take. My team almost always beats Georgia. Anyone who doesn't care about the lowest GSR in the country and constant arrests is just a sports fan. I'm a supporter of athletics. That means the men and women OFF the field, too. Whatever Kirby THINKS he's doing, he's failing.
Its not just reckless driving resulting in people dying. Its not just a guy with multiple alleged incidents of child abuse. The program only graduates kids at a rate of 41%, which might be the worst in the Power 4/5. Its certainly the worst in the SEC by a country mile. Anyone wanting to give Kirby a pass for anything else needs to take a long hard look at the disgraceful lack of education throughout the program. That is most definitely a reflection on Smart
Not saying you’re wrong about the driving issues because that’s a big problem for the team (not to mention Rara who needs to be gone and likely will be), but that 41% that you’re mentioning is only factoring in Kirby’s first class in 2016 and is not at all representing his tenure as UGAs coach. The study that everyone has been citing is pretty old.
@@michaelbaker8633 the results were published last year but they only include Kirby’s 2016 class and the prior classes graduation rates. The study will be updated year over year to include more classes and their standings. The study includes 6 year graduation rates from those entering the school 2013-2016 (Kirby’s first class was 2016)
The fact that they’re holding their players accountable and not just “taking care of it” like other programs means there’s nothing wrong with the culture. It’s those “squeaky clean” programs that you really need to worry about.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Suspend RaRa until he is found guilty by the courts (not popular opinion) then when found guilty remove from team. Otherwise, he gets found innocent and sues the institution.
@grant2989 Correct, but until a court and not public opinion states otherwise, he has the right to be treated as if he is innocent. If he is found not guilty and the school jumps the gun, then they are now opening themselves open to a countersuit. But sure, kick him off the team and out of school and just pay the settlement fee. Then, they deal with the press stating UGA has a different type of problem when the media now claim how he was targeted and unfairly punished for a crime he was falsely accused of.
@@MrANSTAS “innocent until proven guilty” only applies to the court of law. It doesn’t apply to the court of public opinion. UGA can’t wait a year for this trial to get sorted out before dealing with it. He got charged with a felony. This isn’t like Jameis Winston stealing crab legs.
@grant2989 as you stated, he was charged - again, not found guilty. Welcome to our litigious society. One is damned if you do and damned if you don't. Now UGA is going to listen to their lawyers on this and then listen to their AD and coach.
Just cause you say it’s not excuse making while making the excuses doesn’t mean the perspective changes. It’s still excuses. Cut that playing time. You’re deep enough. And if they’re on the bench already then you can be excused from the team.
If i knew of a company with less than 200 employess and 29 of them have been arrested in a 2 year time period, i would say they have an awful culture and i would steer far away
These are not amateur athletes they are professional athletes now. Imagine a job you had where the culture negatively affected the production. Sometimes culture didn’t affect the production and sometimes it did. We’ll have to see what happens. Kirby’s job is to win games and really that’s all he cares about. Nothing wrong with that but I think that’s what makes him different from Saban.
@@morganadamo4706 that is true. However, it wasn’t to the degree Kirby is having them. I believe they’re up to 15 or twenty arrests in the last 2 years with deaths associated with at least one. Saban had the same thing but not in such a short time frame.
Urban Meyer was one of the greatest CFB coaches ever. He is unemployed because he couldn’t get team control and team discipline right. Those Florida teams were amazingly talented. But they were also full of players that couldn’t stay out of trouble and it ruined their reputation. I’m afraid that if Kirby doesn’t get it together that will be the same rhetoric thrown on UGA. Before anyone tries to say the BS “what would you do if you were Kirby” or “what is he supposed to do?… he can’t babysit” 1. I’m not Kirby and I’m not paid 13 million a year either. 2. I’m not sure what he’s supposed to do… but I know whatever tf he’s doing now isn’t working 🤷🏽♂️
Until Kirby kicks some of the bad apples off the team then he hasn’t “done everything.” Josh, I like your work a lot but you are wrong on this one. Georgia has a massive culture problem. In fact you come across as a Georgia apologist.
There are people who care, people who thought Mark Richt got a bad rap and still do. Its just those aren't the people making the decisions anymore. Good Culture was traded for win at all costs. Personally I'd like a Mark Richt culture with a Kirby Smart record, I just haven't seen many... any? of those . . .
U people really think u give a 18 or 20 yr old a dodge hellcat that gonna drive the speed limit 🤔 😒 😐, make it make sense, it doesn't, every student athlete is at fault once they get caught showing bad behavior off the field, some players just are out of control
And not to mention a NIL problem. You giving 18, 19 and 20 year olds millions of dollars to their disposal. This is the results you get. The parents don't have any control once that starts. Especially when coming from a single parent home with no guidance.
I have yet to hear a take of yours that wasn’t 💯 Great work. I’d be interested to hear how you feel about Pat Macafee returning to Gameday. Personally I think he is a clown that I wouldn’t want my 5 year old son listening to.
Since no school has ZERO off the field issues - what percentage more is UGA when compared to the other top programs? Doesn't justify it in any way, but are they that much worse than all the other programs or are the other programs off the field issues just not gaining national media attention?
A lot more. OSU, Bama, Texas, ND, Oregon, Michigan, Washington, Florida. None of them have this rate of criminal issues. Obviously other schools have kids who get into trouble but there is a difference between a "trouble maker on the roster" and having a culture that is producing trouble makers like Nikes in china
Average will have 2-4 public issues during each offseason and honestly nothing under double digits is alarming if they’re all unrelated and minor. UGA has had 24 incidents (most of which stem from racing not regular speeding) since Willocks passing last January. They’ve had 47 public incidents since Kirby took over 8 years ago. So this is a very new thing relatively speaking
Kirby’s recruiting players with excellent potential but poor Discipline. That used to wreck your program in NCAA FOOTBALL 06-11. Next thing you know your down 15 schollys & no televised games. Playing games with no commentary used to suck. He’s gotta spend them hours scouting so he can learn them habits.
I dont think it is Kirby's fault he has done a lot. It really is NIL's fault. With that being said as a Georgia fan I do believe we have a culture issue. These are all mostly younger players I dont think they have the same great culture as Georgia players in the past. I think Georgia will have a down year because of the culture issues
@@stocktondavis5492lol really. That’s what you’re going with? LSU, Alabama, Miami, Oregon, Ohio state, Tennessee, fsu, auburn and Texas all offer around the same.
I'm a Georgia bulldog and I am also ex-military your commanding officer once you leave that bass doesn't know what you're doing so for people trying to blame Kirby for this is full of s***Thomas is permanently suspended and will be kicked off the team
No matter what a HC does to establish and maintain a " culture " it will always erode when you bring in players with poor character because they're rich in talent.
Im the biggest UGA hater, but i agree with Saban. What do you want a coach to do? Kick em off the team and have them spiral or give them another chance? We all get chances, thr kids shoukd too.
@michaelbaker8633 You don't know that. Kirby has had his share of knuckleheads, but he has also graduated a ton of players. Mind you I'm a Bama fan. You literally have no idea what Kirby focuses on with his players.
The man makes the uniform, not the uniform into a man same would be said for anyone in the military or police department although we know what laws are and rules. It doesn’t mean that we follow them that aside the issues are on display that needs to stop, but I also understand the politics behind all of this.
How about just putting in more speed bumps, or speeding deterrent tactics? Make is it super hard to speed down these roads. I feel like a kid speeding in Athens isn't anything new, I have gotten like couple speeding tickets there myself, those cops be tricky! I got a ticket for going 12 mph over speed limit on broad st. Police was hiding in the brush
Would you kick a student out of school for their driving record? Maybe. Would a sponsor drop a client due to their criminal acts? Probably. Why is Kirby expected to kick someone off the team when the University could easily expel someone? Why do we expect the coach to do what the University hasn’t done?
Alabamas never had that level of trouble off the field. There's always a few bad seeds in every program and this is true for Alabama but there's never been a time when player after player was getting arrested like this.
Yes, "Georgia" does not have a "win at all costs" mentality, but you have to admit that Kirby isn't paid his millions to not have a "win at all costs" mentality. And at the end of the day, he has to sit down with the AD and the president and say "i need this guy if you want a championship this year" or "we can cut this guy loose to show a tough on crime attitude."
@@michaelbaker8633 because UGA is actually a challenging school to earn a degree from. I know that's hard to understand coming from some other inferior institution!
@stanvans3214 Lmfao.....juat stop. According to Forbes UGA is not even in the top 50 clown. Michigan is a much better school and they don't have that problem.
Why is the university of Georgia not looking into reprimanding Kirby Smart for consistently allowing the university to get tarnished by the football program? Unacceptable. You do not hear about anything this frequent at other SEC schools. Except for Florida 15-20 years ago
@@ronniemoore2756 who cares about winning dude? They fucking had 2 people die as a result of stupidity after the one coveted natty you slackjaw UGA fans cream over, and multiple DUI’s after that. So explain to me how it’s acceptable from a coaching perspective to allow players to stay on the team after drunk driving and reckless driving AFTER you lose a staffer and player do to that? But you got your 2 nattys so you don’t care lmao exactly. Not to mention you added a child abuser so congratulations on your offseason national championship at Criminal U
So a 15 minute video can be summarized like this: JP doesn’t think that people really care about the off field issues. They’re just upset that Georgia is the top program and now it’s their chance to attack them. Because they’re winning a bunch, UGA doesn’t have a culture problem according to JP. JP interviewed Kirby a couple of months back and he’s not about to attack Kirby over this because deep down, he wants to stay on good terms with him. This is why he’s quick to say “UGA has done a lot.”
To this day I still hate Miami and love it that they have had so many mediocre seasons. Especially when Bama spanked them in 1993 Sugar Bowl! That is where UGA is heading. Kirby is responsible and a great coach, but he cannot manage these kids in this day of NIL and portal. That’s why Saban hung it up. No control.
Why say anything? In a week people will "forget" and a new story will pop up in a few weeks. Around and around and around we go, as long as your a football powerhouse, blind to the truth people will show.
It’s sad to see Josh dismiss this situation with “you only care bc it’s uga”, believe it or not the safety of innocent people matters more to most of us then a game played by college students.
I think every fan for every team should have a problem with these adrenaline/dopamine-addicted football guys driving around like they are kings of the road, putting everyone else in danger. The GAME loses its meaning when it's no longer mature and advanced, well-rounded men who are playing and representing a university. Now we just have trained up one-dimensional circus freaks who do football stuff fast, bend their knees in weird directions fast, and kill people on the road with their reckless attitudes fast. it's uninteresting and the players should know they will sell less tickets because of it.
Georgia’s culture is non existent. When you get too much talent on a team. The team suffers from no player leaders. Which is the reason 10 players have went to jail the last two seasons. And a few people have lost their lies from players racing. Smart is in jeopardy of the thunder coming down on him. Right now he can go broke loosing cases in Civil Court from loss of a few lives. Now Alabama’s head coach had control of his team while winning Championships. You know if Georgia got a new Athletic Director, extra lawyers. Extra coaches they might get back the control.
Sooooo. All of u people on here blaming the coaches for keeping players on the team... Is McDonald's supposed to fire you when you get caught speeding???
So what are you saying about winning at all costs Josh? okay or not.... in 15 years winning is irrelevant, the young person killed in the speed racing incident... their family cares...the pain does not ever go away for their parents.... do YOU care about ... not culture.... morality? What is right.... culture hides the real issue here.
Well he did interview Kirby 4 months ago. JP is NEVER going to call anyone out for things like this. He never asks the hard questions. He enjoys being buddy buddy with all the big dogs so that he keeps getting invited back. BL, I don’t think he ever said if UGA has a culture problem or not.
@@osukufan2 I agree , he basically deferred and lowkey gaslit the fans saying that no one actually really cares which he might be right in the fact that us fans can’t really do anything about it, as it realistically doesn’t affect any fans personally. I really love his content but I thought that was kind of a weasel tactic , like sir we watch for your opinion lol the closest we got to his actual feelings were that Georgia has a winning at all cost culture , and that may or may not be toxic.
As Josh became more successful and well respected he got more and more afraid to make controversial takes. Love the show but he seems to dance around questions more now.
The average dawg fan doesn't care as long as their winning, to solidify this UGA football has the worst graduation rate of the power five .I believe the alumni care, but not enough to stop it.
The average sports fan doesn't care as long as their team is winning. In an attempt to make ourselves look like a good person we'll pretend we care on message boards.
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@LateKickwithJoshPate I like how the discussion is Georgia and it's fans have no cares given and lack of ethics but everyone else's fans are righteous about fire Kirby and dismantle the whole team. I would like to see how many of the more vocal burn the system down are rival fans, OSU fans, and others who have a fighting chance to win stuff if they could beat UGA. I wonder when we went from these students being adults learning to be adults away from home for the first time? These "kids" should have been taught how to be adults provided by parents and society before the college level. Yes Smart should provide guidance but is on student to take responsibility.
You spent 16 minutes calling out fans instead of holding the program accountable for all of the off field issues over the past couple of years. Yes there’s culture if it wasn’t then they wouldn’t have transitioned from being a sleeping giant. However that doesn’t put them or Kirby Smart above criticism.
Josh I’m a fan of your show but I would love for u to tell me your workout plan. I’m trying to fill out my t shirt also lol
These guys think they are 18 year old gods. 29 arrests for a team of 100ish is insane. As someone who graduated from UGA, partied, and didn't get arrested once, frankly I find it really hard to get in trouble there. The players that wanted the NIL stuff treated it like some kind of social justice campaign. Looks like it's gonna end up just like every other social justice campaign: narcissists ruining everyone else's lives while we smile and say "it's the only way."
Kirby is building a team of thugs! Winning at all costs is making GA into a program im ashamed to be associated with.
Their football program has basically the lowest graduation rate in P5 in recent years as well.
Who cares
Who cares, they're going to the NFL instead
@@ericspicer5132they go to the
NFL at Bama and Ohio State as well… why are they graduating?
Since you know so much about our Bulldogs. You would know they also go back and graduate after they get into the NFL..
Lmao y’all LOVE pretending you actually care about graduation rates more than winning games and being successful at football. You only “care” because you don’t like UGA 😂
This is all forgotten about once the season starts as it is every year.
Because nobody not connected directly to the program cares. Fans and haters will pretend like they care, they always do but they don't.
@@Kingeptacon And you do???
@@domenicdurante966 Of course not. I only care about what happens between the hedges. I let the guys into soap operas worry about all the off the field drama.
@@Kingeptacon Okay. So folks getting killed and hurt by idiots doesn't bother you. Got it.
Yes, they do have a major culture problem. The driving incidents alone are out of control and have resulted in lives changed forever.
Source: a fan whose school also once had a culture problem.
Wins>Culture
@@GLJ2414 no doubt about that. But lose a few games and all of a sudden fans change sides too.
Between the good doctor and your previous coaches sexual allegations,you might want to sit this one out, scooter.
@@Panhandledawg1 you can’t read full comments, can you
@@GLJ2414 Momentum is a hell of a drug in CFB
Mich. St. Was also a winning program, not a dominant as GA. But a winning program that could block out culture problems
Until they weren't
I saw a list today of the graduation rate of football players since 2016. Clemson is setting the standard at 99%. Georgia was the last team on the list at 41%. Yes, they loose a lot of players leaving early for the draft, but so does Alabama with a 93% graduation rate.
Now look at the rankings of those three schools. Little tougher to get out of UGA, as it’s a top 20 public university. Clemson and Bama ain’t.
41% should be seen as embarrassing though. There are big brain schools with higher grad rates
hahaha dude a plank of wood could get a degree from Bama.
@Panhandledawg1 😂😂😂😂.....I didn't find a single website that ranked Jawjuh as a top 20 school clown. Forbes was the highest I could find and had them at #54. Nice try though
@@michaelbaker8633 UGA is literally ranked 20 in top public schools from US News and World Report. bad try though. what school did you go to to learn research of the caliber? 🤔🤔🤔
I care about it but theres not much we can do about it. You can have all types of classes, training, etc but people are going to do what they will. The key is holding every one of them accountable. Show the others they will be punished. Football career will be over before it begins
Kirby needs to get a handle on this stuff or it will ultimately be their demise
Agreed
@@TheMCJ2011 found a great critical thinking GA fan! Other fans, such as us, are not saying it to smear the program. Obviously, it’s elite and UGA will be a national title contending team this year. It’s to point out an obvious problem that needs to be fixed. If Alabama was experiencing the same problems, I’d say the same thing. Crime is somewhat of a problem at Alabama as well, but not to the degree of Georgia. Despite the discrepancy, it’s a problem I still feel Alabama needs to continue to address. Too many publicized awful acts such as the Miller situation & Ruggs for examples. Georgia fans should recognize that for their program as well.
@@cgiii2440 jaw jaa is the new thug U.
Georgia sends more players to rehab than to class.
UGA fans won’t care and non UGA fans will make fun of them for it.
Happens during all dynasties.
The worst being UF and Miami.
Well besides Saban and Bobby. They’re the only coaches who went by relatively clean. And yes FSU during their run; was involved in an online music course cheating scandal. But that was it for Bobby. Not program wide arrests.
I don’t understand why fans wouldn’t care. And I don’t understand how Kirby would fail in this respect due to his closeness with Saban. Graduation and making men great is all he taught. Not just NFL talent. Where did that go when he left? Or is it seriously just choosing the wrong guys to play for you?
@@hudsonstovall8119 Kirby is his own man. He definitely doesn’t have the same tight grip on his program; like Saban did.
Kirby is a renowned recruiter. Which makes him a great coach. He is not known for developing a program. He’s never had to start from scratch. Like Saban in what 07/08? Kirby has jumped from great program to great program.
@@Battlegnome112 This is very true. One of Saban’s big sayings was the NFL stands for “Not for long”. Look at guys such as Greg McElroy, Mark Ingram for examples of life after football. Julio is next. Something Kirby and UGA need to think about.
People died.......................................
And nothings changed.
There is a person in this comment section right now who blatantly said they don't care about it but don't worry the DV made them come around
what exactly do you want changed? A staffer was drunk and died while driving recklessly. Should we just shut down the UGA program?
@dare2554 let's start with having a zero tolerance for speeding so that no one else dies because of speeding
@Robotron2084psn zero tolerance meaning what? Just kick anyone off who gets a traffic ticket?
@dare2554 sure WHY NOT, if it's an ongoing problem.
I do think it's important for people to acknowledge the gap between "a culture problem" and a "rotten culture". You can have a strong culture that's afflicted with problems.
Well then that would make the culture not so strong. Can't have both.
@@jimmyjam5453 show me a culture with no problems and I will show you some Kansas City beachfront property
@@1337slic3 it's not about having no problems it's about being out of control.
@@jimmyjam5453 now you're moving the goalposts. Is a culture problem mutually exclusive with a strong culture or not? Maybe it is out of control--it looks like it from the outside. But unless you're an insider in Athens, we won't know that til we see the product on the field. I'm not claiming it's one way or another; as an Ole Miss fan, I hope there's horrible inner turmoil, so long as it doesn't result in anyone (else) getting hurt. I'm just saying it's not a black or white question.
Does that include a disgraceful lack of educational priorities throughout the program?
If kirby kicked all of those guys off the team, your favorite team would be one of hundreds that offer them a spot
Exactly
They don’t deserve to be kicked off the team (except for RaRa). But it is a problem that needs to be addressed within the program. Whatever they’re doing isn’t working so far.
@@hudsonstovall8119 100%
Mississippi State, not Missouri
At least he didn't try to join ISIS
He was thinking Dominic Lovett
Same thing.
Kirby can only tell someone to not be stupid and risk their career so many times. He’s not a babysitter.
He recruited all of them to Georgia
@@aroncampos5720 yes. He recruited them. As a coach. Not a father.
Right, he’s good with a broom at sweeping it under the rug. This has been going on at ga. For years
@@aroncampos572090% of them are good kids, but making dumb decisions with a lot of money at 18-21 years old is so normal it’s crazy. I don’t have any money and I got speeding tickets at that age. Kirby is starting to suspend and kick players off the team for it, but that’s really all you can do after trying to be stern and preach to stop doing it. Kids will be kids
Your just mad because Georgia has one issue and your school has multiple. Not Kirby smarts job to make adults act like adults
Bad Culture breeds bad teamwork.
So you're saying UGA has bad teamwork? Two National Championships in three years isn't bad anything.
@@JWalk-j6v Last I checked UGA's culture issues didn't start until 2 years ago Got worse the following year. Like really started to become an issue. Where was UGA last year? The prior year they was lucky to make to the NC like pure luck.
@@BNSF39 wow, you don't care about the Dawgs do you? I can't reply to absurdity opinion with no facts. How about the National Championship team with Urban Meyer at Florida had 41 players on the team that were arrested and WON.
@@JWalk-j6v How did they do after that got out of hand? Not so good last I checked and have never really recovered since. You are just proving My point dude. Off the field issues and cultures will destroy a program. Ever hear of the phrase, get your head in the game? Yea that's what this is about.
Regardless of what it is. It creates conflict, distractions where most players stop caring what happens, and especially today with the amount of money being thrown around.
Teamwork don't end when you hit the sidelines or head to the locker room and it certainly does not end between games. What these guys are doing is selfish and don't give a shit.
@@BNSF39 okay distraction is an everyday thing for young people who are in college since the Flintstones. USC had distraction winning the National Championship as Florida and Ohio State etc. The off the field problems come with winning and eyes are on your programs. Nobody cares about the problems at Vanderbilt. Yes I'm aware of the phrase 'head in game" and the other one I hear is"speed don't slump ". You run a 4.3 in the 40, you can be distracted. The more top athletes you got the more your winning. The culture of the Dawgs isn't what you think it is. The media is blowing it up and selling it. These guys had a terrible tragedy and it has brought the program under intense scrutiny from the media and local police. Two players were ticketed and paid $28 dollars but the media said arrested and released after posting $28 dollar bond and released less than an hour. That's not culture but teenagers speeding. But everyone sees two more arrested and Kirby is responsible. It's just not true. The accident that was tragic wasn't the program but kids not doing the right thing. Especially if you know one was a Ford Explorer and the other was a Hellcat(jeep). Wasn:t much of a race in my opinion just dumb. I kinda see your point and there is some truth there. But I think bigger the program the bigger the problems. Florida and Ohio State were great with the talent and distractions, when the coaches were let go or left is when most losing came in. When Bobby Bowden was rolling at Florida State they were scrutinized for the arrested players. Miami was the best in the 80/90 years and produced plenty of pro and criminals. I guess my point is that all programs are dealing with the same thing, NIL and young people who are around pretty girls and getting in trouble. UGA is no different but they are winning on the field and off the field is magnified. Kirby can't Stop RaRa from the emotional side that assaulted a female. He immediately released him, thats all anybody can do. Off the field during summer is the most stressful time cause kids are going home and they are making bad decisions. It's part of the deal.
Crazy how Josh defends Kirby. KICK THEM OFF THE TEAM.
Kick who off the team? Rara is suspended indefinitely while Kirby and the program await more information about his incident. David Daniel-Sisavanh was kicked off the team just 2 weeks ago for his second traffic-related offense. No one else has gotten in trouble more than once.
@@kylefunderburk4194 Georgia has a problem for sure. A big one. But don’t listen to this guy. Kicking players off the team for minor infractions is wrong. RaRa is an obvious exception. Kirby needs to call Saban and the UoA program to get more tips on how to get the rate up. May hurt your ego, but it needs to happen. Alabama continually had a ~90% grad rate through the dynasty. Even when Kirby was there.
This is a case of having enough money to feel untouchable and get into trouble, but not enough to make those troubles disappear.
Was going to make a Fast and Furious joke assuming it was another traffic violation, then it was way more severe than I realized
But not as bad as your basketball team issues last season.
There can be a distinction between on and off the field culture. It’s not an on/off switch for whether or not there’s a culture issue.
On field, it doesn’t appear there’s an issue.
Off the field, anybody can see we have major issues, and that’s speaking as a Georgia fan. I don’t have a solution, but there is very obviously a problem.
Boom!!! Josh just described what the culture IS at Georgia! In business we often called it "self-directed work teams". The difference has been displayed on multiple occasions over the last few years. When the players themselves feel strong enough about each other(insert LOVE) to be able to criticize each other without creating animosity to the extent that it becomes a detriment to the success of the team as a whole it results in a cohesiveness that cannot be achieved simply from coaching! That in my opinion is the essence of what Kirby is building at Georgia. It ain't there yet! But it is definitely a WIP!!!
As rule I try not to drive in Athens or Atlanta
Josh, don’t focus on these trolls. You’re doing an outstanding job!
I like how no one exept Josh is willing to suggest that Kirby just migjt not be good at that aspect of his job. But if you do suggest it, people lose their minds. Lol. But its true, he's clearly not the best at developing an environment to keep these things fron happening. It is what it is. Maybe he'll get better at it.
If the same thing was happening at another school, UGA fans would be pointing the finger. If the same thing was happening at another school, supporters of that other school would be making excuses and defending their school/coach. Culture is only an issue when it’s happening to a rival program.
Nah......only graduation 41% of the kids who come through your program is most definitely a culture issue
I like what you have said before they 18-24 years old
At this point you have to question a lot. The type of kids they are recruiting, the lack of devolping these kids into men and the lack of leadership on the team.
Is that Kirby Smarts job to develop kids into men? Maybe, not totally sure about that.
UGA has put 63 players into the NFL in the past 6 years, they must be doing something right huh?
Im not denying there is a problem, but your post is misleading.
@@litedawg you beg and plead for families to sign off on there 17 year old child going to a school to learn and play football yes but also to be a safe place for there literal child to grown into being a man, a place where these kids with zero life expierence can learn what being a man is.
These are not adults, these are young men and children with no life expierence.
Putting kids into the league? Brother most power 5 schools would of put those kids in the league and that has nothing to do with learning how to properly function in the real world on your own.
Plenty of programs pump kids into the league. Only 1 program is dealing with the amount of offseason problems Georgia is.
@@drumusic5665💯📠
@@drumusic5665 Im not your brother.
1. You have no idea if other schools would have put them into the league
2. Kirby provides a safe space for them on campus, is it his fault they drive 90 in a 60.?
3. Kirby is not their parents . My parents would have NEVER let me buy a hot rod at 18 years old.
As Josh pointed out , you just dont like this because UGA most likely kicks the crap out of your team.
@@litedawg my bad sister.
1. Yes we do 😂 we saw a 3rd round pick come from Yale this year, any major program would of taken those kids (if healthy) and turned them pro. These weren't 2 stars.
2. Yes it is because no other major program in the country has this problem, only Georgia. When you are the outlier then you are indeed doing something wrong
3. The problem is Georgia asks parents to remove there children from there hometown, isolate them around other young kids who do not know how to be an adult and then have them immediately start making money.
Which is fine if you are doing your part as a leader with helping to teach these 17 year Old kids how to be an adult.
If you separate kids from there support system and then offer them no support system you can't be suprised when they do not know how to act as a grown member of society
4. IM FROM ATLANTA, Georgia is my absolute favorite SEC squad. I'm a huge Kirby fan.
And even if I wasn't if you are using that as a reason Georgia doesn't have a culture problem then you might actually be 14 years old.
Kirby Smart has lost institutional control!!!
Agreed
My opinion is that with all the off the field issues that are going on with this team is getting worse. With that being said it will ultimately affect there recruiting. They will still win a ton of games because that’s what Kirby has built there.
Smart has got to take control of his players weather it's making these guys run stairs or sprint's till they puke or limit playing time. This is a bad look for UGA.
"there's a lot there I didn't say that people heard me say" 😂
Literally every fight my husband and I get into I feel that.
The head of the Alabama State Troopers was seen entering an Alabama game wearing a National Championship Ring. As he made his way to the elite boxed section he was asked is that a replica? He was happy to say "No Nick Saban gave it to me"
Is there a problem at UGA? Yes! Is UGA perfect?no! But saying Kirby hasn’t done anything obviously isn’t true, because he literally removed 2 players from the team RECENTLY! But he could be more severe on suspensions In my opinion. And I do agree with Josh that most of this is because y’all’s teams can’t beat us so this is all y’all got. But the dumbest thing you can say is “it only happens at Georgia.” Because news flash UNC recently had loss of life in a vehicle accident. Florida had a guy involved in a hit and run. And Tennessee has had about as many players arrested this year as UGA but no other be talks about it. And let’s be honest Nick Saban wasn’t perfect either. I read the old news articles, there said the same things towards him as they are to Kirby now.
I agree 100 percent. All the fan bases of these teams know that Georgia is going to spank their ass along with every other school not coached by Nick Saban.....he was the goat for a reason. Kirby is clearly now the best in the business
Nick Saban's program graduated over 90% of the kids who came through it for 17 years. Kirbys program clearly doesn't prioritize educating these kids and preparing them to be productive citizens after their football career is over the same way Alabama did. Comparing what Saban built to the kind of program Kirby is running is almost as disgraceful as UGAs graduation rates
Terrible take. My team almost always beats Georgia. Anyone who doesn't care about the lowest GSR in the country and constant arrests is just a sports fan. I'm a supporter of athletics. That means the men and women OFF the field, too. Whatever Kirby THINKS he's doing, he's failing.
Its not just reckless driving resulting in people dying. Its not just a guy with multiple alleged incidents of child abuse. The program only graduates kids at a rate of 41%, which might be the worst in the Power 4/5. Its certainly the worst in the SEC by a country mile. Anyone wanting to give Kirby a pass for anything else needs to take a long hard look at the disgraceful lack of education throughout the program. That is most definitely a reflection on Smart
Not saying you’re wrong about the driving issues because that’s a big problem for the team (not to mention Rara who needs to be gone and likely will be), but that 41% that you’re mentioning is only factoring in Kirby’s first class in 2016 and is not at all representing his tenure as UGAs coach. The study that everyone has been citing is pretty old.
@jmez297 Uh, no.....its not. It's from last year and it's each P 4-5 programs graduation rates SINCE 2016. Nice try though
@@michaelbaker8633 the results were published last year but they only include Kirby’s 2016 class and the prior classes graduation rates. The study will be updated year over year to include more classes and their standings. The study includes 6 year graduation rates from those entering the school 2013-2016 (Kirby’s first class was 2016)
Well said josh go dawgs
josh is a good ole' boy at heart.
The fact that they’re holding their players accountable and not just “taking care of it” like other programs means there’s nothing wrong with the culture. It’s those “squeaky clean” programs that you really need to worry about.
The culture of a team will always fall at the head coaches feet!!
Well obviously lol
Georgia fans reaction to this is more of an indictment than anything. Worst fan base in America, hands down
THUGA
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Suspend RaRa until he is found guilty by the courts (not popular opinion) then when found guilty remove from team. Otherwise, he gets found innocent and sues the institution.
“Not guilty” and “innocent” are two different things. Don’t get them confused.
@grant2989 Correct, but until a court and not public opinion states otherwise, he has the right to be treated as if he is innocent. If he is found not guilty and the school jumps the gun, then they are now opening themselves open to a countersuit. But sure, kick him off the team and out of school and just pay the settlement fee. Then, they deal with the press stating UGA has a different type of problem when the media now claim how he was targeted and unfairly punished for a crime he was falsely accused of.
@@MrANSTAS “innocent until proven guilty” only applies to the court of law. It doesn’t apply to the court of public opinion. UGA can’t wait a year for this trial to get sorted out before dealing with it. He got charged with a felony. This isn’t like Jameis Winston stealing crab legs.
@grant2989 as you stated, he was charged - again, not found guilty. Welcome to our litigious society. One is damned if you do and damned if you don't. Now UGA is going to listen to their lawyers on this and then listen to their AD and coach.
Just cause you say it’s not excuse making while making the excuses doesn’t mean the perspective changes. It’s still excuses. Cut that playing time. You’re deep enough. And if they’re on the bench already then you can be excused from the team.
0:48 you would think it would have stopped after the Jalen Carter incident. I guess some things never change, especially in America
I guess you didn’t watch the rest of the video after that point
@@morganadamo4706 if Georgia and Kirby Smart were doing something about it, then why won't they publicly say what they are doing to prevent it?
If i knew of a company with less than 200 employess and 29 of them have been arrested in a 2 year time period, i would say they have an awful culture and i would steer far away
These are not amateur athletes they are professional athletes now. Imagine a job you had where the culture negatively affected the production. Sometimes culture didn’t affect the production and sometimes it did. We’ll have to see what happens. Kirby’s job is to win games and really that’s all he cares about. Nothing wrong with that but I think that’s what makes him different from Saban.
Saban also had his problems at times at Alabama with Arrests
@@morganadamo4706 that is true. However, it wasn’t to the degree Kirby is having them. I believe they’re up to 15 or twenty arrests in the last 2 years with deaths associated with at least one. Saban had the same thing but not in such a short time frame.
Urban Meyer was one of the greatest CFB coaches ever. He is unemployed because he couldn’t get team control and team discipline right. Those Florida teams were amazingly talented. But they were also full of players that couldn’t stay out of trouble and it ruined their reputation. I’m afraid that if Kirby doesn’t get it together that will be the same rhetoric thrown on UGA.
Before anyone tries to say the BS “what would you do if you were Kirby” or “what is he supposed to do?… he can’t babysit” 1. I’m not Kirby and I’m not paid 13 million a year either. 2. I’m not sure what he’s supposed to do… but I know whatever tf he’s doing now isn’t working 🤷🏽♂️
Until Kirby kicks some of the bad apples off the team then he hasn’t “done everything.” Josh, I like your work a lot but you are wrong on this one. Georgia has a massive culture problem. In fact you come across as a Georgia apologist.
He has kicked people off the team
There are people who care, people who thought Mark Richt got a bad rap and still do. Its just those aren't the people making the decisions anymore. Good Culture was traded for win at all costs. Personally I'd like a Mark Richt culture with a Kirby Smart record, I just haven't seen many... any? of those . . .
Kirby Smart is turning into Bobby Bowden: if he can bail them out of jail Friday night, they play Saturday.
This graduation rate statistic came from 2013-2016, Kirby wasn’t even the coach.
This is well kind of normal at extremely high level programs. They recruit talent, not character.
U people really think u give a 18 or 20 yr old a dodge hellcat that gonna drive the speed limit 🤔 😒 😐, make it make sense, it doesn't, every student athlete is at fault once they get caught showing bad behavior off the field, some players just are out of control
This is their mother and father's problem, Kirby didn't raise them.
And not to mention a NIL problem. You giving 18, 19 and 20 year olds millions of dollars to their disposal. This is the results you get. The parents don't have any control once that starts. Especially when coming from a single parent home with no guidance.
Woah we don’t have time for logic here… you know how this goes.
UGA also has a 47% graduation rate among its players. Compared to the other teams, even Alabama, is shamefully low.
I have yet to hear a take of yours that wasn’t 💯 Great work.
I’d be interested to hear how you feel about Pat Macafee returning to Gameday. Personally I think he is a clown that I wouldn’t want my 5 year old son listening to.
RARA needs to be dismissed from the team smh
It’s every school dealing with these issues, idk why Georgia gets put in the big spotlight
@@peytongardner302 Uh.....no it's not
@@michaelbaker8633 yes it is lol
The only people who are mad are people jealous of Georgia. Georgia wants the best football players not best moral character players.
I'm a Georgia fan and I care.. Kirby has banned the Atlanta paper after their exposè.. disgusting
Since no school has ZERO off the field issues - what percentage more is UGA when compared to the other top programs? Doesn't justify it in any way, but are they that much worse than all the other programs or are the other programs off the field issues just not gaining national media attention?
A lot more. OSU, Bama, Texas, ND, Oregon, Michigan, Washington, Florida.
None of them have this rate of criminal issues.
Obviously other schools have kids who get into trouble but there is a difference between a "trouble maker on the roster" and having a culture that is producing trouble makers like Nikes in china
@@drumusic5665 ok, but give me numbers. It’s easy to blindly say… but what are the actual numbers?
Average will have 2-4 public issues during each offseason and honestly nothing under double digits is alarming if they’re all unrelated and minor. UGA has had 24 incidents (most of which stem from racing not regular speeding) since Willocks passing last January. They’ve had 47 public incidents since Kirby took over 8 years ago. So this is a very new thing relatively speaking
@@matthewpurdy9238 So that averages out to 5-6 an offseason so stop acting like UGA is operating a criminal syndicate.
@@NoelC100624 incidents in a year and a half is more than 5-6 incidents an off season It’s 12 on average.
Kirby has a winning culture at UGA. And that's a huge problem for opposing fans. 😂
Kirby’s recruiting players with excellent potential but poor Discipline. That used to wreck your program in NCAA FOOTBALL 06-11. Next thing you know your down 15 schollys & no televised games. Playing games with no commentary used to suck. He’s gotta spend them hours scouting so he can learn them habits.
If Georgia had a "win at all cost" mentality, Adam Anderson would've finished the 2021 season.
I dont think it is Kirby's fault he has done a lot. It really is NIL's fault. With that being said as a Georgia fan I do believe we have a culture issue. These are all mostly younger players I dont think they have the same great culture as Georgia players in the past. I think Georgia will have a down year because of the culture issues
Every school has nil. Every school is not in the news on a weekly basis with off the field problems.
@@jakepadgett5569 well georgia players have better NIL deals and more money
@@stocktondavis5492lol really. That’s what you’re going with? LSU, Alabama, Miami, Oregon, Ohio state, Tennessee, fsu, auburn and Texas all offer around the same.
Even with RaRa Thomas in a bind, that still won’t prevent me from calling out the Ole Miss and Texas SECCG prediction.
I'm a Georgia bulldog and I am also ex-military your commanding officer once you leave that bass doesn't know what you're doing so for people trying to blame Kirby for this is full of s***Thomas is permanently suspended and will be kicked off the team
No matter what a HC does to establish and maintain a " culture " it will always erode when you bring in players with poor character because they're rich in talent.
Im the biggest UGA hater, but i agree with Saban. What do you want a coach to do? Kick em off the team and have them spiral or give them another chance? We all get chances, thr kids shoukd too.
Yea.....except Saban put way more emphasis on education and life after football than Kirby obviously does.
@michaelbaker8633 You don't know that. Kirby has had his share of knuckleheads, but he has also graduated a ton of players. Mind you I'm a Bama fan. You literally have no idea what Kirby focuses on with his players.
The man makes the uniform, not the uniform into a man same would be said for anyone in the military or police department although we know what laws are and rules. It doesn’t mean that we follow them that aside the issues are on display that needs to stop, but I also understand the politics behind all of this.
How about just putting in more speed bumps, or speeding deterrent tactics? Make is it super hard to speed down these roads. I feel like a kid speeding in Athens isn't anything new, I have gotten like couple speeding tickets there myself, those cops be tricky! I got a ticket for going 12 mph over speed limit on broad st. Police was hiding in the brush
Would you kick a student out of school for their driving record? Maybe. Would a sponsor drop a client due to their criminal acts? Probably.
Why is Kirby expected to kick someone off the team when the University could easily expel someone? Why do we expect the coach to do what the University hasn’t done?
Georgia is the New Florida and Alabama when it comes to off the field trouble.
Alabamas never had that level of trouble off the field. There's always a few bad seeds in every program and this is true for Alabama but there's never been a time when player after player was getting arrested like this.
Yes, "Georgia" does not have a "win at all costs" mentality, but you have to admit that Kirby isn't paid his millions to not have a "win at all costs" mentality. And at the end of the day, he has to sit down with the AD and the president and say "i need this guy if you want a championship this year" or "we can cut this guy loose to show a tough on crime attitude."
Yea well....obviously they aren't sitting down and trying to figure out why they're dead last among major conference teams in graduation rates
@@michaelbaker8633 because UGA is actually a challenging school to earn a degree from. I know that's hard to understand coming from some other inferior institution!
@stanvans3214 Lmfao.....juat stop. According to Forbes UGA is not even in the top 50 clown. Michigan is a much better school and they don't have that problem.
Maybe a few bad apples that influenced some others. Get rid of the bad ones before they ruin the whole barrel
You guys are crazy! Culture rotten just because a player committed domestic violence. It just shows the jealousy and anger levels at opposing fans
Why is the university of Georgia not looking into reprimanding Kirby Smart for consistently allowing the university to get tarnished by the football program? Unacceptable. You do not hear about anything this frequent at other SEC schools. Except for Florida 15-20 years ago
A 2 time natty winner, laughable, Georgia hadn't won anything in 42 yrs and u want to blame the coach, stop it
@@ronniemoore2756 who cares about winning dude? They fucking had 2 people die as a result of stupidity after the one coveted natty you slackjaw UGA fans cream over, and multiple DUI’s after that. So explain to me how it’s acceptable from a coaching perspective to allow players to stay on the team after drunk driving and reckless driving AFTER you lose a staffer and player do to that? But you got your 2 nattys so you don’t care lmao exactly. Not to mention you added a child abuser so congratulations on your offseason national championship at Criminal U
Thomas is Miss St. I believe. Lovett is Mizzou
So a 15 minute video can be summarized like this: JP doesn’t think that people really care about the off field issues. They’re just upset that Georgia is the top program and now it’s their chance to attack them. Because they’re winning a bunch, UGA doesn’t have a culture problem according to JP. JP interviewed Kirby a couple of months back and he’s not about to attack Kirby over this because deep down, he wants to stay on good terms with him. This is why he’s quick to say “UGA has done a lot.”
To this day I still hate Miami and love it that they have had so many mediocre seasons. Especially when Bama spanked them in 1993 Sugar Bowl! That is where UGA is heading. Kirby is responsible and a great coach, but he cannot manage these kids in this day of NIL and portal. That’s why Saban hung it up. No control.
everyone acts like UGA is the only school with discipline issues! Most other schools you never here about their problems, heavy wears the crown?
This is the new Urban Meyer uf player situation
Why say anything? In a week people will "forget" and a new story will pop up in a few weeks. Around and around and around we go, as long as your a football powerhouse, blind to the truth people will show.
It’s sad to see Josh dismiss this situation with “you only care bc it’s uga”, believe it or not the safety of innocent people matters more to most of us then a game played by college students.
Not a culture issue at Clemson… Dabo won’t allow it!
I think every fan for every team should have a problem with these adrenaline/dopamine-addicted football guys driving around like they are kings of the road, putting everyone else in danger. The GAME loses its meaning when it's no longer mature and advanced, well-rounded men who are playing and representing a university. Now we just have trained up one-dimensional circus freaks who do football stuff fast, bend their knees in weird directions fast, and kill people on the road with their reckless attitudes fast. it's uninteresting and the players should know they will sell less tickets because of it.
Gaslighting your fans so you maintain your good standing with coaches is very sad.
It’s more than just football 🏈 to winning Kirby not to Smart 🐶 🤦🏿♀️
A media personality chastises the public for taking a stance without caring! Pate, meet Kettle. 😂
Georgia’s culture is non existent. When you get too much talent on a team. The team suffers from no player leaders. Which is the reason 10 players have went to jail the last two seasons. And a few people have lost their lies from players racing. Smart is in jeopardy of the thunder coming down on him. Right now he can go broke loosing cases in Civil Court from loss of a few lives. Now Alabama’s head coach had control of his team while winning Championships. You know if Georgia got a new Athletic Director, extra lawyers. Extra coaches they might get back the control.
i’d trade all of this for a championship
Sooooo. All of u people on here blaming the coaches for keeping players on the team...
Is McDonald's supposed to fire you when you get caught speeding???
Pate shows his colors here.
Bama boy going after their biggest rival.
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So what are you saying about winning at all costs Josh? okay or not.... in 15 years winning is irrelevant, the young person killed in the speed racing incident... their family cares...the pain does not ever go away for their parents.... do YOU care about ... not culture.... morality? What is right.... culture hides the real issue here.
You don’t have 2 undefeated seasons and 2 nattys with a trash culture
If this was boulder Colorado they’d be asking for his head.
I care about the culture.
Roll Tide.
Bro coping so hard ,taking in circles really.
Well he did interview Kirby 4 months ago. JP is NEVER going to call anyone out for things like this. He never asks the hard questions. He enjoys being buddy buddy with all the big dogs so that he keeps getting invited back. BL, I don’t think he ever said if UGA has a culture problem or not.
@@osukufan2 I agree , he basically deferred and lowkey gaslit the fans saying that no one actually really cares which he might be right in the fact that us fans can’t really do anything about it, as it realistically doesn’t affect any fans personally.
I really love his content but I thought that was kind of a weasel tactic , like sir we watch for your opinion lol the closest we got to his actual feelings were that Georgia has a winning at all cost culture , and that may or may not be toxic.
As Josh became more successful and well respected he got more and more afraid to make controversial takes. Love the show but he seems to dance around questions more now.
The average dawg fan doesn't care as long as their winning, to solidify this UGA football has the worst graduation rate of the power five .I believe the alumni care, but not enough to stop it.
The average sports fan doesn't care as long as their team is winning. In an attempt to make ourselves look like a good person we'll pretend we care on message boards.
Josh they clearly have one bro but you’re right about me not caring g lol
I do t think a single person in these comments actually watched the clip. Especially the graduation rate people.