"The origins of Patriarchy" by Gerda Lerner - a discussion with Holly Lawford-Smith and Jo Brew
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Finally a great discussion on this fantastic/critical book! Thanks Holly Lawford-Smith and Jo Brew Gerda Lerner is not talked about or given enough credit! Keep up the great work WHRC all your lectures are important for women and do a public service.
Yes, those revealing studies are constantly hidden from public. By purpose.
I recently obtained a copy of this book. How rare that I get to hear an excellent discussion of a book while I’m actually reading it. Thanks!
i just read it for the first time a couple months ago and now i think I’m going to have to read it again because this discussion really added some depth to my understanding of what Lerner was up to.
I really got so much out of this book when I read it a few years ago - wished I'd heard of it and read it decades ago; and The Creation of Feminist Consciousness , which I only read earlier this year (finally!). I wept, absolutely knowing how my own journey of having to laboriously challenge my own thinking, and to seek out women's radical thought was being described. The points about women being actors in the patriarchy followed up with examples of how supporting the patriarchal agenda is arrived at is so important an area to discuss, because none of it was simple or rational, like choosing what to put on your sandwich - it has always been about forms of coercion and deprivation. What "choice" and "agency" actually mean for women, then, is quite revealing. I appreciated this discussion very much!
Really loving this series. It's reintroducing me to old works I need to revisit and introducing me to new ones. Amazing work women xxxx
This is a great and important book! Thank you for this.
Thank you! Very nice! I'm watching from Brazil!
Thank you this is awesome 👌
Best book ever. Really informative.
This has been a fascinating listen.
As someone who has worked with vulnerable boys, young men and men for many years, at times I have had a hard time accepting the idea of a blanket privilege afforded to men and this summary has brought new insights into the means power has been structured.
I have heard another explanation that centres around the need to protect cultivations once humans begin to settle. The protection leads to men doing the heavy lifting in that regard, while a system of dowry develops around women seeking to align themselves with men who were successful in cultivation and protecting the harvest. The initial ieration of the dowry was a financial arrangement recognised that women often moved towards the male kin. As this developed, the dowry became a form of competition among potential spouses to attract the most successful men.
This is all fascinating and I hope the history continues to be better understood and shared widely.
Thank you.
Women of religious faith also are part of keeping the Patriarchy supported.
sad but true , and it is still going on...............
@@lindamerrill1694 I think its more difficult for those that were raised by an era that the woman stays home with the kids and home making, its programmed in deep, codependency was bred and served both parties, even if the serving was a dysfunction. After thousands of years its going to take more than a hundred to get things to be seen and lived differently.
It served as a statis for men to be man enough to have the "ability" to financially be head of house hold too. Religion was the reinforcement and contributor to the belief.
such a great book
I just grabbed a copy! Thank you for this.
Spectacular discussion. Looking forward to reading all the texts referenced.
Just discovered this channel and binging ❤
Thank you.
Really loving this series.
I read it many years ago when I didn't fully appreciate the subject. Older and wiser, I need to grab myself a copy.
Makes sense to me.
This feminism is what I was looking for.
Christine Delphy has some essays giving a different version on this supposedly original "complementation" of sexes, explaining how the division of labour is a patriarchal practice itself imposed over wimmin and strictly socially regulated. I don't think wimmin had a part on the creation of patriarchy, I do think we were among the first creatures to be enslaved by men, along with animals from other species and not other "races".
I agree...the enslavement of enemy women in Sumeria is pretty well documented
Sovereignty goddeses such as Brigid in celtic tribes . and Athena of Athens even the ancient mother hood goddess Asherah
and Ishtar the lioness goddess...who is actually mentioned in the bibble. Asherah is fascinating as the patriarchs went around ripping up her trees at roadside shrines..She must have been very important!
@@dragonfox2.058 that she was Asherah was the wife of El. El is qnother word for god. In the commandments it state to honour your father and mother but the church have forgotten there mother whom art in heaven and this is the error. You cannot destroy the motherhood with out destroying your selfs.
With respect to religion and the taking away of women’s religious symbolism and women’s spiritual icons a current parallel would be the appropriation of figures like Joan of Arc, Viking women etc by the trans community. Any strong women who stood up to authority or who has/ had some agency in their lives are now supposed to have been trans.
@@RB-jl2qb only by the trains...another male attempt to rewrite the past. I just read a short article on sexual dimorphism @ Nature mag. It was saying that it is determined by the Y chromosome. And it seems suspiciously like it's is influenced by MALE sex selection which is. of course, not the way most species do natural selection...rape?
Thx for this.
It's a really interesting book.. you can clearly see in the ancient laws of the middle east that women were treated as a sort of special type of slave, one that had certain privileges that other slaves didn't have, but nonetheless legally speaking were owned by their father or husband. And yet I hear dudes say all the time how patriarchy never existed.. come on, it's right there in the law books guys.
My concern with the situation, and I am naive about feminism in all is many forms, is that some feminists seem to regard it as a triumph when women rise above the patriarchy and take on male roles. Isn't this condoning the behaviour of men and simply stating that the behaviour is fine it's just the wrong gender on top...quantitative feminism. Surely as women we can bring something better than a female-version of the patriarchy and define a better system...qualitative feminism. What many women don't grasp is that the patriarchy, while overall more favourable for men than women, has almost as many men as women that are resentful of the men at the top. We are entering the age of artificial intelligence where everybody's role is either being redefined or eliminated. Why fight men? Why not co-opt them and collaborate with them to redefine a more equitable society. If we don't the patriarchy will be the least of our problems.
I'm an historian. This book debunked everything I learned in my career. I'm so glag this material reached my hands ❤
A lot of myths