“Man’s Dominion” by Sheila Jeffreys - a discussion with Sheila Jeffreys (the author) and Jo Bart.
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An absolute YES to girls only schools. I attended one of these from 10-18 and it was about the best decision I have ever made. Maybe it also was the reason why I did see the transgender danger in the early 2000s (coming out of atheism activism), and subsequently met Lesbians who saw it since the 1970s. This new movement against the trans craze in my mind is very late, comparatively. A good thing, but I find it grating that many of the newly minted activists act as if they had invented the wheel.
Homeschooling is dangerous not only because most people don't have the scientific literacy and the educational skills to successfully teach - the idea that families are better learning environments than schools tacitly assumes that families are a good thing. The heterosexual family is the breeding ground and petri dish for patriarchy, and while generation after generation of women lie to themselves that they are going to do it differently, they never do. Girl children need to see a world outside the family unit; and given there is so much abuse right inside families, there also need to be other sets of eyes looking out for them.
Lastly, why do Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and other non-Abrahamic religions get off lightly? Or - dare I say it - even indigenous religions? It is always the Abrahamic three that get - rightly so!! - critised, but there is no religion that is not patriarchal.
Likewise. I moved to a girl's school when I was 13. Totally different atmosphere without boys there. Best decision I made at that age.
Man's Dominion was my first light bulb moment book! Will always remember hearing about Sheila during a Philosophy class at Latrobe University. The lecturer dropped Sheilas name once and complained how dangerous she was... After reading all her books I'm a huge fan :) (note: l thanked the professor for dropping her name :) )
Yes! After reading one of her books, I went on quickly to read the rest. This is a great one.
@@WomensDeclaration I'd like to note the lecturer was very anti Sheila and had mentioned that many staff members at the University were concerned. This level of fear was coming from men of course...
@Shannon It skipped your attention: it's La Trobe. Melbourn, AU.
There have been other issues mentioned in connection with that university as well (grooming via educational means).
I love Sheila, such a straiht-talker and absolute no bs erudite. We do need more og 2nd wave feminists in the spotlight, I love how candid and succinct they are!
Wonderful to see a feminist addressing this topic! Why are we being called "racist" for calling out blatant misogyny, which is embedded in a culture or religion? Thankyou!🙏💜
thanks shelia for writing this book - the idea that women are 'impure' (due to 'bleedings' -menstrating/birthing) in monotheoistic religion is v strange.
It's not just monotheisms, Canada's First Nations faiths also deemed women dirty while menstruating, as do Eastern religions.
In these times of massively increased threats to women’s rights we definitely need Sheila Jeffrey’s book
“Man’s Dominion” reprinted in paperback!
I agree. They can take down or change anything that’s online.
19:13 I appreciate your sharing this and this 41:11, because the way you talked yourself into staying in denial exemplifies how many are thinking, who STILL justify for the sake of "multi culturalusm, staying in denial about how women are treated.
It's multipatriarchalism. Thank you, Sheila Jeffreys
Great to see you here, from Ute
Those two women *definitely* aren’t “average Joes!” lol It’s always good to hear Sheila Jeffreys being interviewed. I just received a copy of “Beauty & Misogyny” in the mail. I’ll be obtaining “Man’s Dominion” next, for sure. Thanks WHRC!
Very good question from Jo at the end as to whether or not the recent explosion of religion (mainly Christianity) is in response to the woke left. I’m not religious but I can’t stand the political left anymore now that they’re enacting virulent misogyny against women under the guise of “diversity” and “kindness.” Politics is split into two different misogynies, and the same could be said about patriarchal religions vs. patriarchal atheism. I agree that women need woman-only spaces, but not for the same reasons as patriarchy puts forth.
Thank you for this discussion.
We have a group called love you Sheila 💜😀, in spain
Reading my way through all of Sheila's books and look forward to reading Man's Dominion. I just finished The Spinster and Her Enemies and Anticlimax, which provide an excellent historical overview of feminist campaigns against sexual abuse by men, and men's backlash against the feminist campaigns, from the mid 1800s to the 1990s.
"Multiculturalism = multi-patriarchy". Yes!
Absolutely right about parents in UK being able to home school children with no training, no support, no checks, on those children’s progress or welfare. for these children safeguarding goes straight out of the window. Some don’t even end up receiving ANY education
as a result and take no exams.
We had to cover our heads in chapel at school- CofE high church 20 years ago.
"Women who belong in other groups of men", that's a brilliant description for basically every time women give priority to their religious domination, race, rainbow family, class, etc., before bio. sex.
class is the most important form of identity. and even others can be - if an individual understands this to be the case for them. what is important is that, even if they don't see sex as the most important thing to them, they have some understanding of its importance, for others, even if not immediately for themselves.
At some point I will get this book, as Sheila Jeffreys' books are always worth reading, but the price is very steep in all formats even ten years after its publication.
Part of how they keep the knowledge out of our minds
Crappitalism: where anything that benefits the system and hurts the citizen is cheap, widely available and stuffed into your brain; while anything that helps the citizen and threatens the system is expensive (if it’s given value at all), niche, and a concerted effort is made to hide or annihilate it.
thankyou, i always enjoy listening to Sheila....will be ordering her book.
We need her books translated at least in french and spanish
On my list, thanks so much Sheila it's just absolutely enlightening to hear you speak!!
37:15 intersectionality
Yes, I think girls and boys shouldnt be in the same class. I work as a teacher in a mixed school and pretty much all girls tell me they would love to go to a school without boys. Most of them are too toxic nowadays and their behavior in class is not properly. Girls, even at a early age are wishing to be in classes with only girls!. Mixed schools may have been a good idea but it was a failure cause most schools didn't have feminist programs for girls and boys, on the contrary, they perpetuated the patriarchal roles of society.
I also think women need spirituality and archetypes that reflect reality-the female is the creative force in our Universe. Monica Sjoo made this point in The Great Cosmic Mother, that socialism and communism had both failed because they don’t capture where people love- sex and spirit. I get that.
This is a really good point. Thank you for raising it.
Why? I don’t need “spirituality” any more than I need religion or superstition. I appreciate some people may need these crutches, but many of us don’t.
@@morgankenwrick5519 I don't think feminists like Mary Daly and Janice Raymond view religion and spirituality as a crutch (although Raymond does note how it is used in this way). My understanding is Raymond views religion and spirituality when practiced free from patriarchy as a connector and integrator (see chapter 5 of Passion for Friendship).
If you were raised religious and then leave religion, then SOME people seem to preserve this need for some sort of imaginary, but not all.
If you weren't raised in faith, this type of imaginary "need" doesn't even show up on the radar.
Read Nick Cohens book What's Left for a primer on why the hard left, and increasingingly mainstream left, threw in with Islamists.
This is so refreshing. I like Sheila's plain speaking.
God what a breath of fresh air!
I would love a discussion between Gerda Lerdner and Sheila Jeffries. Hologram?
I love you so much Sheila Jeffreys. I feel such hope when I hear you speak.
I don't agree with Sheila's view on home education. The UK is one of the few places in the whole world where we are free to parent and educate our children as we wish and I would like it to stay that way. We don't have a religious right to speak of in the UK.
Parents don't "educate" kids. Parenting is not educating. They are two completely different skill sets. Just because you have a baby doesn't qualify you as a teacher. This is a slap in the face to the millions of professionals who devote their lives to the profession of teaching. I see all the time how "educated" "homeschooled" kids are, and we in the field always have to clean up the mess parents make because they don't know what they are doing. The day you can go into a classroom and successfully teach 30 or more students of different backgrounds, of different abilities, is the day I will call you a teacher. Sheila is exactly right. Teaching is for professionals, not for amateurs.
@@ValleyoftheRogue I don't agree. Time spent in school is largely unproductive, anti-social and demoralising for the child. Children flourish when left to follow their passions. I have known many home educated children and they achieve more than the average school child. Vast numbers of children are in school for 12 years or more and still can barely read or write. The children who do well do it in spite of being there not because of it. Of course there are outliers. I'm generalising.
@@motheringabomination1958 I agree with you, homeschooling is the best way to teach them what they need to know. School education just can't achieve that, it's mostly indoctrinating them into one way of thinking and stunting their personal growth and creativity to become their own people.
It’s perfectly possible to educate children at home. Apart from the fact it is a parent’s job to educate their children - socialisation is education, so they teach, or should teach their children how to behave. Parents can also get together with other parents who are home schooling and share expertise. Parents can also buy in the expertise they lack in individual subjects. Chikdren can join sports clubs, art clubs… There is absolutely no reason why children can’t be educated well at home. It takes, effort and commitment and is not an easy option or one that all can suit every home situation.
Valley of the Rogue is actually correct. I am studying education studies at the moment and it is a well-documented evidenced fact that schools do have to do a huge amount of work to catch children up so they can pass examines, so that gaps can be filled in, and so things (knowledge, techniques) they have learnt can be corrected if need be. I appreciate your preference for home-schooling or rather just keeping your children at home, but these things do definitely occur. Some of the things you are citing are simply not true (that 'vast numbers' of children '12 years and more' can 'still barely read or write' is nonsense, unless you are in a country other that Britain). The only children who stand a chance of doing well outside the education system are those who come from extremely well-off, educated parent groups who can set up a legitimate alterative school system.
And on a personal note, i was told (by a teacher even) that i 'didn't need the system and could do fine without it' - other teachers warned my parents not to take me out of the educational system. They did, and even though i had some home tuition, I am now well into adulthood and just now catching up on being educated and developing a career.
Would love to see a discussion between Sheila Jeffries and Camile Paglia too!
I think they agree in more ways than are obvious.
The discussion of what a post-patriarchal society would look like is a relevant question. Camille Paglia is both simultaneous right and wrong in her idea of what a post-patriarchal world would look like. Camille Paglia derides a feminism that would have us "living in grass huts". She is a GOOD thing, rather than a bad thing!
All of civilisation, patriarchal civilisation, relies to some degree on mining activities. Mining can NOT operate without slavery, it is a rape of the land, and it rapes those who are enslaved in its operations. So the big question can be re-asked as:
Would a non-patriarchal civilisation have mining, any amount of it, and what our living infrastructures would look like without it.
Sheila would wipe the floor with Paglia. I dont see the similarities between Sheila and Paglia at all.
I think differently over christanity (the others I am not sure I can really make a judmend about) because the god proposed is a living all creating being that is in every aspect supposed to be unique and impossible to truly grasp anyway and who simply is gracious enogh to let people call him by male pronounes for the purpose of human inability, but only because humans wanted to he would himself appear to have never asked that or said he is like a more like a men then a woman, that's at most conjuncture that can just as well be read differently
So I don't really think that it applies, because I don't really think that qualifying it a patracical religion exactly is correct
Accepting of patriacy as human insitution maybe to some extend, but limited
And especilly the idea that the crusifix is BDSM I don't agree with, it's supposed to be a self-sacrifice
To not denying the truth, it shows a type of mix of martherdoom and willingly given sacrifice in exchange for the chance to offer humanity a way to better itself
It's very antithetical because it sais that this one act of violance choosen by god against his Jesus is what was needed, in order to make what people have to bear less
I am impressed that the nurses in your institution allow you to access the internet. Can Laurie Penny get her lil girl lisp back when you're finished with it?
why are you so triggered. Explain.
@@claireowens2884 what's sadomasochist about crucifixes? Does saying I'm triggered mean you think you can manipulate me? You birds are off your rockers, and it's a laff-riot to me!