_"But you, have a Lord vessel to fill."_ ( ಥ_ಥ) That's genuine Prepare to Cry for you. But even for the series' high standards, this one hits you hard.
@@VoidSinister same this is fuckin deep shit how could any media journalist debunk games as being pointless, i mean look at this shit, its not some silly little game, this is a kindof story you'd hear praised if it was in a book form.
"Please sister, do not cry" Your undead may be evil, they may slaughter the innocent, steal their souls, and abuse the Firekeepers. But they still weep for the Fair Lady.
@@FlackBackTV Well, think about the fact that Firekeepers are basically just vessels for humanity. They absorb so much of it, having it constantly writhing within can't be pleasant. And the Fair Lady has her Blight affliction on top of that.
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 The thing is that no Undead is guaranteed to die repeatedly. I would say the average one would probably only die once every month or so. And even at once a day, that's pretty bad, but compared to having a mass of humanity *constantly* writhing beneath your skin and trying to escape, that's pretty tame. Fire keepers would be grotesque, malformed creatures, much like the monsters we see in Oolacile (probably much, much worse) were it not for them being bound to their bonfire. Constant agony would definitely drive anybody insane, and the fact that all of the Firekeepers we meet are fairly lucid is honestly incredible.
The Fair Lady is the reason I find Quelaag to be one of the saddest fights in the game. Once you realize that she was trying to kill you so she could get your humanity to save her sister.
Personally I find sif to be the saddest especially if you save him in the dlc first because than sif recognizes you and the fight takes on a new context of sif fighting you in an attempt to protect you from the fait of artorias.
While Sif's death is sad, his motivation while good, assumes incorrectly. The Chosen Undead succeeds where Artorias failed. Whereas with Quaelagg there is no way to reconcile the issue peacefully. You need to Ring the Bell, and even if she let you do that peacefully, she wouldn't let you try and go kill Izalith without a fight.
Sif is waaaaay sadder. Then Ornstien (because he's too cool), then Artorias, maybe Gwyn (because of the music and how easy he is, I killed him without getting hit) and Pinwheel (the easiest boss in the game). I do not care when I kill Qualagg and The Fair Lady. I accidentally killed the fair lady in my evil ng+2 playthrough, so no Solaire for Gwyn :( That's the only reason I don't kill the Fair Lady sooner.
A intresting detail is that she says "quelaag please dont cry" implying that our chosen undead is rather sad meaning that our undead has affection for the fair lady
She was probably certain that, out of all of her siblings, he was the one who absolutely *HAD* to have died in the invasion. Not just because of the unfortunate nature of his demonhood, but specifically because of his intense dedication to his sisters even through the pain it caused. After all, certainly someone who loved them (and her) so dearly would have been among the first fatalities when Gwyn's warmongering came to Izylith, in order to defend his beloved mother and sisters... ...Right?
@@TeodorAngelov The Gold-Hemmed set is found on the corpse on the altar. The description of the set states that it was once worn by Quelana of Izalith. It's unlikely that that is an error, as FromSoft is usually very meticulous about environmental storytelling.
If you get the chance, watch Hawkshaw's last lore video on Ash Lake and the rebellion against the gods. It seems, if Hawkshaw's speculation is correct (it is certainly convincing) that even many of the gods themselves turned on or abandoned Gwyn and Seath, probably because they realised the same.
@@mothsforeyes So maybe Pontiff didn't have the worst idea... I mean he was a major ass and a tyrant. But the God's held power through conflict as well.
The gods in Dark Souls were humans who mantled the throne that gods were meant to be seated upon. The demons were not made of fallen angels in this world, instead they were born of the chaotic flame created by the one who sought to extend their age. Our world and the world of Lordran are very different in this way, for all originated from humans in a way, rather than arising from those above. A shame, perhaps with the proper guidance their world may have survived.
God dammit, i literally never knew about the corpses of Quelaana and the Fair Lady in Dark Souls 3 until this video and when you showed that and said “she finally found the strength to return home” I couldn’t hold the tears back
I knew it was the fair lady when I saw it but I thought it was the egg man that was next to her, i never put two and two together, it makes it even more sad now
He broke the cycle, first dragons and grey crags, then it was Gwyn and his age of fire's turn after which it should have been humanity and its age of darkness. But no Gwyn put a ring of fire on humanity, walled off the pygmy Lords and off he went to burn his own ass to prolong his own age...
@@sydanthay2172 But his kids couldnt extend age of fire ....... gwynevere is lost .......gwyndolin was eatan alive ....... yorshka is imprisoned in her own castle ....... and nameless king is slaughtered by some unknown armed undead (if we assume it is canon) .......... gwyn's kids were not as badass as gwyn
Not one tear from me.... Until now. If there is a Dark Souls 4 I'd like it to have much more of a hopeful tone to it. This suffering has to mean something more in the end than propaganda and ego.
DS3 was my first and only experience with the series, and the Old Demon King was cemented as my favorite fight. Near the end when he blew himself up and dropped to his knee I was confused that he didn't stand up again. Then when I approached I saw him go for his hammer and spam rolled away just to see him fail to lift it and go for a feeble swat. It really stuck with me. I looked around his arena finnaly noticing the mounds of dead demons. I had to know what happen. And that's what really got me into DS literally one optional boss that had a story to tell without showing any of it.
I start first on demon souls then ds2 and 3, bloodbourne amd finally ds1, i heard ds 1 is the best out of all games, so i saved it for last, but i kinda like bloodbourne better 😂, and yes at first it might seems like a normal hard rpg type of game but it is so much more than that, like finding quelana corpse in ds3 a year after i played it. This is why i love the series so much.
When a single, optional and even completely missable boss holds enough lore and story for it's own game. That's why I play dark souls, frustrating as all hell sometimes but can't be compared to other games in the rpg genre, it's in a tier of its own
I actually had to pause it at that point. I think it's lachrymose but as someone who was debilitated by guilt for 7 years I think it's also beautiful that she finally found peace in the end.
Never noticed that detail with Quelanas Corpse curling up on her sister.. damn. These games and their stories.., and detail. I need more Dark Souls games, and more Vaati videos.
Honestly for all we know it could be the egg man. Does tge corpse have a bra? It could literally be anyone because its a generic item placement corpse.
I didn't notice immediately when I first played, but I had to do a double take when I picked the book up and started to walk away. I was like "Wait a second. Oh man, that's so sad." Quelana was my favorite character in DS1.
I thought Ceaseless Discharge was an imcomplete gimmick fight. Now I see he was just weak on purpose, because he was holding on for dear life to not burn in lava. That really changes my perspective of the fight. _Bed of Chaos is still shit though_
Yeah mechanically the Bed of Chaos is shit. Its not hard, its just annoying, especially if you are not fastrolling. And it doesnt feel fulfilling at all because the lore of Izalith is really subtle even compared to the "average" DS lore... Everything is quite misleading to make you think demons are just mindless monsters and chaos flame destroyed Izalith. The dragon butts and the generic unfinished/rushed feel of the whole area doesnt help either.
@@manguy01 I actually fought it in my blind playthrough and thought it was imcomplete, because he has 2 attacks, and both of them look bad with poor effects and erratic animations. It's really below Dark Soul's standards.
@@marcshimpar7645 Honestly, i always found it weird that so many Demons were serving Gwyn until Vaati brought up the possibility that those demons were spoils of Gwyn's Black Knights during their war on Izalith. That actually explains a shockingly lot since the Black Knight gear stated that they fought chaos demons, which seems contradictory to the fact that so many are serving in labor roles in Lothric, until it becomes apparent that they're prisoners of war.
Eingyi speaks so humbly about himself, and especially in regards to the Fair Lady, and even sharing his flame with you... such a likable sort, despite his grotesque appearance, so seeing 15:34 and that masterful editing... Christ, my fucking heart - the hurt from the betrayal in his voice, the fact he tries so desperately in vain to move his decrepit parasitic host of a body to stop the Chosen Undead, how failing that he cries out to the sickly Fair Lady, which is a helpless and gut-wrenching desperate act in itself as no matter how he cries out, she cannot understand his words, and in her blindness she can't even see what's happening right before her, and lastly, his despair at her death... The last 5 minutes of the video is such a huge payoff of pure melancholic bliss, and I see a lot of comments feeling for the Children of Chaos, something I don't fault them for, but Eingyi was the one that really hit me like a truck. Peter Marinker is a splendid voice actor.
You're right that they were silver knights. However, they were actually scorched by Gwyns flame in the Kiln. The item descriptions are very poor on this in english
It might be a little dramatic but everytime I pass through the smoldering lake in a new playthrough I always pay my respects to the fair lady by leaving a message with the prayer gesture. It's just become part of the routine I follow in new playthroughs now
I had always assumed that the corpse Ceaseless Discharge is mourning over was another Daughter of Chaos. I thought Miyazaki purposely put 7 of them in the game to match the opening cutscene. Those 7 being Quelaana, Quelaag, The Fair Lady, the two that are part of the Bed of Chaos, the dead one Ceaseless Discharge is mourning, and the one that attacks you outside of the Bed of Chaos.
100% agreed as well. It always bothers me that most people don't know/remember that the bed of chaos is not just the Witch of Izalith, and that the 2 orbs we break were what remains of 2 of her daughters. Like in lore videos from other channels before ds3s dlc came out theorizing that yuria and her 2 siblings who founded the sable church were the remaining daughters of Izalith, thinking there is 3 missing or unaccounted for. Drives me nuts lol. There are 6 daughters in the game. That is a fact, no theorizing. Qualagg, the fair Lady, the one who attacks you outside the boss room, the 2 in the BoC, and Quelana. What we dont know is if that corpse with the the gold hemmed set is the 7th sister, or Quelanas, as the item description specifically says the set was worn by Quelana. My theory, is that there are only 6 in the game. Quelanas opening dialogue always struck me as strange.."a mere undead, yet you can see me". What does that mean? To me, ive always took that as a hint that that is not Quelana, not in physical flesh and blood at least. I always will believe that who we see and talk to is Quelanas spirit/ghost, as she died long ago, and that is her corpse with the gold hemmed set being watched over by CD. So where is the 7th sister? I dont know. I dont think shes in game, and do to how Izalith was really rushed due to time constraints, i believe Miyazaki might of planned for her to be there in the game, but they just didnt have time. My personal theory? The 7th daughter is the centipede demon. it seems that the further from the Chaos Flame they were, the less hideously transformed they were. This is why Quelana seems normal (even if who we talk to is her spirit, it is specifically stated that she got out before things went completely crazy. Quelagg still has her top half as human, and her lair is further from Izalith. Same with the fair lady, who also seemed to be similiar to Quelagg, but due to her sickness, we cant tell whats from the chaos flame and whats from the disease. The 2 sisters and Witch of Izalith were obviously the closest, as they have not a trace of humanity anymore, and are full on abominations. And the one outside the boss room could have "survived" like Quelana did, and came back to watch guard over her mother and sisters. So was the 7th daughter closer to the Chaos that she became the centipede demon, further away from her mother and 2 sisters who have no real form, and closer than Quelagg and the fair lady, whos top halves survived and only the bottom halves were disfigured? Leaving her as jusy a full on demon, who also watches over the demon ruins/Izalith, as we can see her (it) clinging to the wall from the Demon Ruins. That's my take I know that does clash with the design works interview where Miyazaki said they originally had the centipede demon fight where the bell gargoyles are on top of the undead parish church, until they came up with the idea of the gargoyles, but we dont know how early on in developement that was, and after placing the gargoyles the centipede demon defintely could have been placed where it is as Miyazaki could have thought out this idea and placed it accordingly. Just a thought. God damn do i love Souls lore lol
@@JTisOneCrazyMan20 You already forget, the Centipede Demon was born from the spot where the Orange Charred fell Ring when Ceaseless Discharge dropped it. And according to the ring's description, he was born a malformed demon 'since his sores were inflamed by lava from birth.' Which means that at the time of the cutscene where the Izalith & her daughters had gathered to create the Chaos Flame, Ceasless Discharge was not yet born. In any case I digress. My point is that the simplest explanation is easier, that the corpse guarded by Ceaseless Discharge really is the 7th daughter of Chaos. It just takes a bit more reasoning than imagination to explain. Vaati did mention that Quelana faked her death, but there isn't anything implicit of her taking such a course of action. It could be she simply left. Also because that was a hella amazing video & telling it that way is within Vaati's artistic liberties. Anywho, taking that cutscene into account, it's quite obvious that the 2 sisters flanking Izalith became the mounds that also flank the Bed of Chaos, as the transformed staves jutting out from them would indicate. In all likelihood, that would mean that the next closest sisters were Quelaag & the Fair Lady as they are not so grotesquely transformed themselves. This leaves the last 3 sisters unaffected; the hostile pyromancer, Quelana who wanders the poisonous swamp, & the dead sister. Considering that this dead sister's corpse lies in front of Ceaseless Discharge, she is likely the one mentioned in the description of the Orange Charred Ring, the witch who enchanted it against lava. Since that ring was hers but she gave it to her brother & he dropped it, lava spewed out from him, & without the ring to protect her, the 7th sister lost the 'floor is lava' game while her parasite could have become the Centipede Demon. This sad turn of events likely convinced the 2 remaining sisters against accepting parasites of their own & becoming demons themselves. On one hand, Quelana was so appalled by what had happened, so fearful of the Chaos Flame, she wanted to get away. After swaddling her dead sister in one of her fire resistance garb so that their brother could watch over her corpse without damaging it too much, she fled as Gwyn & his Black Knights came to Izalith, bringing war. On the other hand, the last non-demon sister guards their mother, being braver than Quelana. And Quelana really is alive & not a ghost. If she were dead, they would have made it apparent like with Chancellor Wellager being a ghost. Not to mention you can hit her & kill her. The fact that you can only see with a flame upgraded to at least +10 means she was using a personal pyromancy to conceal herself, and only when you get better with pyromancy will you be able to see her.
PaszerDye ahh yes you are correct, completely forgot about the Centipede Demon being created from Ceaseless and the ring! My bad. But i stick by the rest of my comments! Lol
I always thought that the corpse of with the bed of chaos maggot was the witch of izalith. I mean, it does look like the two sisters are forced to be connected to the bug
Izalith is such a depressing place, all the people there suffer in pain and torment, wether lamenting over a “dead” sibling, trying to keep her remaining sibling alive, being that remaining sibling, blind and in pain unable to tell any voices apart, having to be fed people’s humanity just to stay alive, and even the mother, bent, twisted broken in pain, in a horrible humiliating condition only to keep the flame alive and under control, only to have some random fuck off undead stroll in and out an end to their misery, I’d feel more for these people if their area wasn’t such ass.
@Subhan Most irritating creatures in the game. Lots of civilizations throughout the Cycles of Kindling have tried to replicate the Dragons. I suppose when the Bed of Chaos gave it a go all that came out was a giant butt xD Maybe that's what got to Gwyn. He was thinking "damn, we're good. We killed all them Dragons..... WHAT ARE THOSE?!" And thus the War began xD
@@NotAGoodUsername360 on my first playthrough i got freaked out and killed him with fire as soon as i saw him past the illusory wall, didnt even get to talk to him... after learning who he was i felt so bad about it
Witch of Izaleth: “Shit, the fire’s dying out. Hey I’ve got crazy idea!” Gwyn: “Go on....” Witch of Izaleth: “We got these souls from the first flame, right? I’ll use my soul to make another fire!” Gwyn: “I don’t think that’s-“ *Flame erupts to reveal unholy monstrosities* Witch of Izaleth: “Look at all my cute demon babies!” Gwyn: “Goddamnit...”
The Old Chaos of Eleum Loyce was my favorite tale of the Chaos. A powerful king basically built his kingdom on top of a portal just to personally watch and contain the Chaos. A lot like the Black Knights, the Loyce Knights got burned and charred which consumed them entirely. The King met that same fate. It was easily one of my favorite Dark Souls moments when that final gate opened and the Ivory King stepped out in flames.
@@RafaelCosta-oi3be DS2 was my introduction to the series and I was very passionate about the culture of dark souls, imagine my disappointment when I found out I wasnt playing a real souls game.
@purple man I agree, it should be held in high regard. I think it's a great game but I don't think its a great souls game. It's just too out of place in the series for my taste
There were 7 daughters of Izalith, who are all accounted for in game. Quelaag and the Fair Lady The two roots of the Bed of Chaos Quelaana, the master pyromancer The Daughter of Choas, who attacks when you approach the Bed And the body on the alter. While the Gold Helm set does say it was worn by Quelaana, the Daughter of Chaos ALSO wears it, as do all of the sisters in the opening cutscene. So the body is not likely to have been a fakes death, merely the lost sister since otherwise all of them are accounted for.
Nah it's gotta be how Nito was just chilling in his home then Pinwheel broke in and stole the Rite of Kindling, further diminishing Nito's already dwindling power. Poor guy just wanted be a spooky skeleton, but ended up being responsible for every death in the world and became a victim of breaking & entering.
we are the bad guys in ds1 if you think about it....Most of the bosses we kill are just there minding their own business(nito, ons, bed of chaos, all of them demon boss in lost ize , moonlight butterfly, sif, gargoyles, priscilla, etc). we just walk in out of the blue and murders them to get whatever we need....Like..wtf... DS3 bosses are a lot more "evil" in comparison(Aldrich literally ate Gwendolyn, watchers are polluted by the abyss, vordt and dancer are corrupted by pontiff, nameless king is hollow, etc)
@@zheyuezhao456 Gargoyles defend the bell but you walk in to ring the bell because you have to open the sens fortress and continue quelaag wants to kill people who go at her lair to let her sister feed humanity ceaseless discharge is sad, moonlight i don't know where the hell why seath yeah he imprisoned you, rhea, logan, and more. and nito yeah he made the undead more powerful in DS3 i think pontiff is much more evil than you watch his lore, yeah fuck that guy. Sif is training you he got saved by you(you'll understand the dlc) he wants to train you because he reminds you of artorias so you can be ready rip sif, artorias got consumed, priscilla got locked away.
@@alejandroestrada9249 Seath imprisoned you because you invaded his castle, it makes sense....Nito is the Lord of death, he is supposed to be making his own people more powerful, it is not like he is making his minions attack the living. Dude just wants to keep his people in a damn tomb. Quelaag only kills intruders that goes into her lair, to survive, which isn't all that bad...you just reiterated what I said.. These guys aren't evil, they just doimg whatever they have to do etc. They not killing for the sake of killing like some ds3 bosses My point is there isn't enough moral just cause to be murdering some of those bosses
@@zheyuezhao456 Also seath is smart, because he imprisoned you with a disabled bonfire because you can't die, the channeler in undead parish takes rhea to the archives to be imprisoned, killing the fair lady means your the biggest villain because you killed sun bro. bed of chaos wants to make the age of fire to continue, making a misery is just to end the suffering....
18:15 I like how the Dark Souls 3 easter egg means completely different things based on what you did to the Fair Lady in Dark Souls 1. If you didn't kill the Fair Lady for the firekeeper's soul, then Quelana and her probably spent their last days togther and that serves as sort of a redemption for Quelana. But if you killed her, then Quelana came back home just to find the corpse of everyone in her family, which probably caused more guilt. Danm From Software!
Okey, So what gwyn did so far is - - cursed humans with his seal of fire. - fxxked up ring city and the life of his daughter (+ poor ringed kights who just got their powers band even tho they helped gwyn with his fight against dragons) - banished his son - made his other son a cross dresser Since there is no ‘official’ complete story line in dark souls, only how you take them and interpret them is what matters... my next statement can be argued whether it’s true or not. But gwyn is a whole lot of ass
Gwyn never banished his son, his son was banished after Gwyn’s departure from Anor Londo. In all likelihood, the Firstborn departed on his own accord, and Gwyndolin tried to eliminate him from history in order to ensure the reputation of Anor Londo remains high.
@@OldManMcLoyf pretty sure gwyn did banish his son, although i don't think his son was banished in general. Pretty sure he just betrayed gwyn and sided with some of the last few ancient dragons and gwyn got rid of any evidence of his existence after that. Also even if there isn't always an official right story with dark souls, gwyn being a dick is one of the few things that is. He did a lot of bad shit just because he wanted to keep his power, and there's no really good reason for it in the dark souls lore outside of gwyn just being selfish and cowardly. Not to mention, gwyn's greatest sin which started the cycle is definitely miyazaki saying that yeah gwyn fucking sucks.
What if You were looking back on your life and realized after running a successful business you hurt and affected lots of people around you. There's no way to say sorry and can't bring yourself to admit the horrible tragedies that came from you. So you make a game and since it's your game you picture yourself the way you are currently, an old man somewhere alone, decreased from after your life of greatness. Maybe surrounded by lots of people currently running your business in nice black suits. You reflect on each of the businesses and mergers over the years, people that lost their jobs, and the geat creations your firm was responsible for. You reflect on your family and how your oldest son had gone to work for a rival company. Now it's so remorseful, but back then you severed ties because of his betrayal. And here you are "Gwyn, Lord of Cinder".
@@Zer0cul0 so basically you saying creating ruin all around you and leaving in it is ok, huh? That's not how our world or any other would work where society exists. Gwyn is just the way to show how it should NOT be a ruller or the person who responsible for the world around you. Also you trying compare boss like figure to king like figure(aka much more responsibility and as is consequences).
@@nathansilva2799 right at the end when all the failed attempts at getting footage for the video was being shown, to get the positioning and everything set up perfectly just to fuck up and say, fall off of the branch leading to the Bed of Chaos core, or hitting the NPC cause you accidently hit the wrong button and have to restart the character just to try again.
the ending just hits in a special way, learning that Quelana did, FINALLY, return home.... to find her faded sister... and died curled up against her sibling
Lore wise the chosen undead did not kill the fair lady. He helps her with humanity and goes through the secret pass getting a high rating with her faction affords. He saves solaire (who goes on to sacrifice himself to light the kiln for another age) while the undead himself abandons it. THe white lady is eventually visited by her sister, and they stay together until they both eventually pass away.
@@tenjenk The entire timeline of Dark Souls starts crashing when the age of fire starts ending. Everything is both canon and not canon at the same time
Mackie Messer There isn’t. But people say that if you save Solaire, and summon him at Gwyn’s fight, supposedly it was his passion and fire within himself that lit the flame, if your character doesn’t light the flame him/herself. Of course, this isn’t true at all, it’s just fan fiction. It’s not canon that Solaire is saved anyway. He becomes the carthus sandworm in DS3 I believe.
Your best video so far! Truly shows how tragic and misunderstood the chaos and its demons are, something that is very easy to miss if you do not pay very close attention in a casual playthrough.
18:13 Oh god, my heart... You really are brilliant at this, Vaati. I don't know how you keep managing to find new things to make me love this franchise even more. Dark Souls would not mean what it does to me without your work. Thank you!
I highly recommend the TH-camr Hawkshaw as well. Vaati even linked their video on Demons in the description. If you love Vaati's work I guarantee you'll love Hawkshaw's work too.
Judging by the other comments I have to assume I'm not the only one watching this at 4:30 in the morning, sometimes a terrible sleep schedule has its benefits though am I right.
The only reason I’m not sleeping, is because I’m getting sighns of sleep paralysis so I’m like, “Yeah no screw this, I’m just gonna stay up until everyone else is up, then go to sleep, if I still have sighns, I’m going to stay up then”
I wanted to share something with you all I lost my mother/grandmother back in May. This video by vaati was her favorite story we watched the whole thing over and over I love you Jeanette Dorothy Lennox, Rip 1948- 2020
This is why I love Dark Souls, they don't shove the sadness in your face, you gotta find it, but once you do, you can never look at these bosses the same way. Much like how our first time we saw that scary but sexy spider monster but after we learned the story, everytime we go back, we see a Sister, desperately trying to save her blind, dying sister. It's powerful
"Remember, fear the flame lest you be devoured by it and lose yourself. I'd hate to see that happen again" I'll always remember this line from Quelana and the original lore vid
Another perspective, bouncing off these ideas in this video:since we know that at ONE point chaos flame *was* unstable at one point, what if the reason the witches of Izaleth were able to stabilize the it was because the mother and 2 of her daughters had no choice but to sacrifice themselves TOO the bed of chaos, forever existing within it to keep it in control and stabilized? If they are trapped in an eternal existence of controlling the chaos, maybe it IS hell. Maybe we are putting them out of their misery.
I thought that was the most direct implication one could get from the game, the structure of the arena and the red warding magic we see seem to suggest that it was a last ditch effort to stem the tide of chaos and that all the demons we see in Izalith are what seeps through- and that the seal is weakening, since demons start exploring into areas further afield. The undead merchant's dialogue suggest that Capra and Taurus are recent arrivals in undead burg and lower undead burg, recent invaders specifically.
I felt such sadness when I first saw the extinguished Stray Demon in Dark Souls 3. A sense of "oh what's become of you, old friend". Choas was always one of my favorite parts of Dark Souls. It starts seemingly like a buch of ravenous, savage beasts and then you realize they are a whole culture grasping to survival like the gods and freedoms like the humans, and are both dicked over by humans and gods (which I'm not considering that makes them innocent or anything, since every kind dick each other over in this universe all the time with the gods being the dickiest).
man this.... this is a complete 180 on the original theory crafted, and I kinda like that. Despite how old this game is lore is still being ripped apart and trying to be understood.
First off, amazing touch on the music. Every scene and shift with the music to support it was, top notch. Perfect choices I would dare say. And thank you Vaati, and thank you to those who helped him make this video possible. It was the Prepare to Cry: Sisters of Chaos video that got me into Dark Souls all those years ago, so this felt like one, big happy reunion. Love you guys, thank you for the wonderful video. I am proud to be part of this community and will happily support your future projects!
In a nutshell, I've learned that Gwynn was even more of an asshole. I pitied him once but now I can only see him for the fool that he was. His attempt at turning himself into kindling for the flame was a failed attempt at repentance. No matter what he did, he did it arrogantly and foolishly. Nobody better to instigate a series like this I suppose...
I think there's no actual proof that demon wars took place before Gwyn's sarifice. I'd rather think that they were preemptive measure of stopping Izalith from taking over power from Anor Londo after creation of Bed of Chaos and after Gwyn was gone.
@@Kr10n1 Gwyn took the Black Knights with him to the Kiln of the First Flame, and their armour was scorched black by the Flames of Chaos. So the wars had to have happened first
@@Tlouman01 "Shield of the Black Knights that wander Lordan. A flowing canal is chiseled deeply into its face." "Long ago, the black knights faced the chaos demons, and were charred black, but their shields became highly resistant to fire."
Survivor's guilt is rough. And the damage it can cause is so insane and probably unforeseen. As someone who picked the Old Witch's Ring as their starting gift on their first playthrough, and then listening to The Fair Lady after killing Quelaag, I always wished there was something more we could do. Even with my infinite love for Solaire, I still always join the Chaos Servants, if nothing else than to repent for what I was forced to do to get there. If only we could give Quelana the courage - one way or another. Maybe we could have been given Izalith's Lord Soul since we know such acts are possible in some way- without the need for killing, since Gwyn had shared parts of his Soul to multiple people.
I cant’t take it anymore…I`ll try one last time. I love the videos Vaati put out there but it eludes my understanding why no one has questioned the relationship between ‘Lord’ Gwin and ‘Queen’ Izalith analogicaly to Izanagi and Izanami (or Orpheus and Eurydike): Izanagi (Gwyn) and Izanami (izalith) were not just siblings, but also married. Izanami went to Yomi (Lost Izalith) to search for his lost spouse, but finds that she already has eaten the 'food' (cast the 'forbidden flame') so the gods of the underwolrd (demons) cannot let her go. He also finds her full of maggots and flees in horror. But Izanami (herself turned into a Demon) follows him until he plugs the entrance to the demon world with a rock (rock-throwing giants). Agterwards he cleans himself in the water of a river. From this act of purification the sun goddess Amaterasu (Gwenevere), the storm god Susanoo (Nemeless King) and the moon God Tsukiyomi (Gwyndolin) arise. This is obviously just an incomplete summary of the japanese mythology, but would give us undoubtedly a new perspective and a possible answer to the so far unanswered question “why Gwyn went into Lost Izalith”…to rescue his sister/wife…probably. Not out of fear, but love. Come on guys, I know the DS-Series are western-oriented action RPGs (the best in my opinion), but Miyazaki still grew up with the Japanese mythology and history. BTW: Similar analogies can be told about DSIII and the history of Japan (Lothric brothers being Oda Nobutaka and Oda Nobukatsu as a reference for further investigations).
I still join the Chaos Servants every single playthrough, at least long enough to offer what humanity I can. I always feel so guilty for taking away the Fair Lady’s last remaining source of comfort I really wish Izalith wasn’t such a colossal disaster of game design. It really deserves so much better. The story of the Witch and her daughters is a real tearjerker
Please keep doing these, my Girlfriend is playing Dark Souls on Switch right now and is pretty invested in the story. I can't wait to show her these remastered videos after she finished the game :) thanks
Yeeeeeah, when she finally complete all these horrible atrocities, THEN we show her what an awful human being she rEaLy is, khe-he-he-he. ...Well, at least it would be an emotional moment :)
Well, we don't know for SURE that Quelana came to her before she died. She may have curled up next to her corpse. However, all of the Sisters and the Witch herself found peace eventually. The kind of absolute peace offered only by death.
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that last sentence....she finally found the strength to return home... this was the sentence that affected me the most, i never played DS1 and it'S really nice to know so many details about the story from the game, thank you for everything you do vaati
Ok, this might`ve been your best work so far. I literaly cried on this one. OMG those camera works were just PERFECT (also, how you managed to jump over the bed of chaos bridge from a lateral vision is just sick hehe) I can`t imagine how hard this might`ve been for you, and I only can thank you for all this. I mean, From Soft told us that a well-made world does not need written history to be understood. And your interpretation of the game is just amazing and inspiring. I mean, From Soft created the Lore, but its beauty came alive with you. Thanks a LOT. Also, I loved the way you managed to include Dark Souls 2 on this. I'm looking foward for more of this. Its really a challange to relate DS2 story to DS1/DS3. Until next video!
Wait, wasn't "Lost Izalith" considered "Lost" when the demons took root? When you look at the city it has waterways and canals which you could think were once filled with water, as it is an city in a cavern environment. Then chaos was born and water was replaced by fire and magma, and the city became "ruined". Why does at 10:00 speak like Lost Izalith was built by the demons?
What if rather than it being about the city its talking about Izalith herself for thats what the city itself is named after. Because she lost control of her flame. It could be reasoned that it's called lost Izalith because Izalith lost herself in her flame by letting the lust of fire consume her. But that's just a random thought.
@@blindknight6623 nah, shes called the witch of izalith. No real name. The only ones mentioned by name is Gwyn and Nito. The other two are called The Witch and The Pygmy.
I've noticed in most FromSoft games, the supposed good guys are mostly self serving assholes and the monsters/demons that you fight are the ones that you truly feel for eventually, once you find out what they went through.
The only one that stays a bro through the whole of Dark Souls is Solaire, the Sun Bro. The only reason he attacks you in Izalith is because of a Sunlight Maggot using him as a host.
Why did Gwyn go to war? IMO it was because at that time Chaos was not in control. Which IMO is also implied in Quelana's dialogue, "but she failed to control it. The Flame of Chaos engulfed Mother and my sisters, and moulded them into deformed creatures" I liked this remaster better than the Artorias one.
@@takezokimura2571 Most likely. The timescale I'm thinking of going by lore, Vatti and Hawkshaw is, Chaos Flame is created > Izalith grows to a prosperous city > Chaos Flame gets out of control resulting in a war with Gwyn and horrible mutations > Quelana takes to the chance to escape under the impression that her family are now nothing but monsters > Somehow the Flame is brought back under control and the pact is established.
My belief is that Gwyn's definition of control and Izalith's definition of control differed. Izalith was able to restrain Chaos significantly, mutating herself and her children, but restricting the spawning of demons to a trickle and preventing the roiling inferno we see under Eleum Loyce, and believed that was sufficient. Gwyn, however, has shown that he believes only in absolute control, and that because Chaos wasn't fully contained, it could not be considered contained at all, and had to be destroyed. Quelana could not see past the horrific forms of her family, and believed they were lost. The black knights probably battled their way through the city of Izalith until they reached The Bed of Chaos itself, where they discovered two truths: that it was not within their power to destroy Chaos, and that truly containing Chaos could not be done. So they forged a pact, where the city of Izalith and the Bed of Chaos would be allowed to remain, and in return, demons would not leave the ruins of Izalith unless to serve directly under Gwyn. Gwyn probably made increasing use of demons as guardians as it became clear that many of his other servants were not immune to the curse of undeath, while the demons were, as they were born of a different flame. This had been Gwyn's approach to many other insurmountable foes, and it worked perhaps the best it ever had in this case. Until his very own machinations led an undead to slay Izalith and claim her soul, releasing the fury of Chaos again. But this time, there would be no soul great enough to contain it.
... everytime i played dark souls, i ended up killing the fair lady. The first time, i thought it was a monster. Then i learnt everything i could thanks to the crawling man, then i only slay the lady... "As thanks"
@@raptorjesues1445 There are those who seek to end the pain, yet those who do, are monster themselves for they do not seek mercy but the soul. Yet there are others who do not wish to end the pain but appease it, like her late-sister. To give up something so valuable and precious, though it's ironic really, that to make an act of humanity, you must give it away.
Of all of your video Vatti this is the one i come back to the most. The music, the storytelling, the editing. Its a masterpiece among a catalogue of outstanding work. RIP Quelana and Fair Lady.
AND IT WASN'T EVEN NECESSARY!! Quelana still thanks and rewards you if you leave the Fair Lady alive, the ones she want you to kill are Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, that one hostile sister whose name I forgot and the Bed of Chaos. There is no actual need to kill the Fair Lady at all! I swear, Vaati did that just for feels effect, though I still think that could've easily been accomplished without killing her! After all, without Quelaag, Kirk or even the Chosen Undead around, the Fair Lady just doesn't have much time to live anyway. It would've been beautifully tragic if Quelana finally decided to come back, found the Fair Lady in her terminal state and, grief-wrecked, decided to spend her last days with her last sister... even after she would eventually die. I mean, just imagine. The Fair Lady dies eventually, no matter what. And yet, instead of leaving, Quelana stays there... until the end.
It's amazing how they have created stories and characters like those which people like me would have never known a thing without people like you. Thank you a lot Vaati
I think the story of the demons and chaos flame is straight up the saddest and most cataclysmic story arc in all of souls. Their people are left to burn out ever so slowly, never to ignite again. All hope is truly lost. Thank you so much for the work you do ❤️
It's been nearly a decade since I first watched this series. Now Elden Ring is coming out in 3-4 months, and I'm revisiting Dark Souls with the remastered version, and will be going back to Dark Souls 2 and 3 after. This actually made want to cry. Great job!
The fact that Miyazaki had the foresight to make Demon Ruins in DS3 and include the Old Demon King, the ruins of Izalith, and the Fair Lady and Quelana and connect all of that to DS1 and Eleum Loyce in DS2, just goes to show that he is the best fantasy storyteller of the 21st century while somehow not telling a story directly at all
DS2 was actually not directed by Miyazaki. Which I think is kind of cool to note, because in some ways they missed the mark, but in some ways they absolutely nailed it. Elium Loyce and the old chaos is such a cool continuation of the story.
Its also a great bonus for dark souls world that it wouldve been so easy to be generic and make the demons evil, but across the entire series they are shown as a nuanced people fighting to survive in a world wich never wanted them alive. Really parallels to humanity itself.
A pleasure working on a Prepare to Cry once again. Hope you guys like the footage. Cheers everyone! \[T]/
Always nice to watch your lore videos.
Once more awesome work! :D
Absolutely brilliant work!
Great camera work it really brings the story to life.
yea
"Please, sister, do not cry. I am happy, really. I have you... don't I?"
Prepare to cry, indeed.
jesus that was rly fucking sad. made me fucking cry
@@strahinjajovanovic2673 this game sure makes you feel like a piece of shit.
Uff, Every - single - time i read it ...
Almost, but not QUITE on the level of Sif
with all of my three playthrough i didnt have the heart to kill the the fair lady
“She finally found the strength to return home”
Who’s cutting onions, ffs
_"But you, have a Lord vessel to fill."_ ( ಥ_ಥ)
That's genuine Prepare to Cry for you. But even for the series' high standards, this one hits you hard.
None of the other Prepare to Cry have hit me this hard
@@VoidSinister same this is fuckin deep shit how could any media journalist debunk games as being pointless, i mean look at this shit, its not some silly little game, this is a kindof story you'd hear praised if it was in a book form.
Anybody know the soundtrack for this last part where he said this quote?
@@yeetmiezter1049 fiction can change the world
The egg-infested undead who cries out after you kill the Fair Lady, his voice acting, my god...so real
Right??? No one's mentioning Eingyi's pain for some reason, it was personally what touched me the most
Something's in my eye. I'm not crying
eingyi's voice is the same guy that did kaathe and frampt
I really liked that little detail. A lot of games you can mindlessly kill an npc and move on, but this can actually make you feel bad.
Dont say god like that pls
"Please sister, do not cry"
Your undead may be evil, they may slaughter the innocent, steal their souls, and abuse the Firekeepers. But they still weep for the Fair Lady.
I'd say the undead are more abused then fire keepers. Gwyn is a dumbass, and an asshole.
@@FlackBackTV Well, think about the fact that Firekeepers are basically just vessels for humanity. They absorb so much of it, having it constantly writhing within can't be pleasant. And the Fair Lady has her Blight affliction on top of that.
@@765craven4 fair enough
@@765craven4 I think I might rather having a bunch of humanity in me over constantly dying until I go insane
Neither sound pleasant though
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 The thing is that no Undead is guaranteed to die repeatedly. I would say the average one would probably only die once every month or so. And even at once a day, that's pretty bad, but compared to having a mass of humanity *constantly* writhing beneath your skin and trying to escape, that's pretty tame.
Fire keepers would be grotesque, malformed creatures, much like the monsters we see in Oolacile (probably much, much worse) were it not for them being bound to their bonfire. Constant agony would definitely drive anybody insane, and the fact that all of the Firekeepers we meet are fairly lucid is honestly incredible.
The Fair Lady is the reason I find Quelaag to be one of the saddest fights in the game. Once you realize that she was trying to kill you so she could get your humanity to save her sister.
Personally I find sif to be the saddest especially if you save him in the dlc first because than sif recognizes you and the fight takes on a new context of sif fighting you in an attempt to protect you from the fait of artorias.
While Sif's death is sad, his motivation while good, assumes incorrectly. The Chosen Undead succeeds where Artorias failed. Whereas with Quaelagg there is no way to reconcile the issue peacefully. You need to Ring the Bell, and even if she let you do that peacefully, she wouldn't let you try and go kill Izalith without a fight.
@@LordandsaverGarryBuecy That's fair.
Sif is waaaaay sadder. Then Ornstien (because he's too cool), then Artorias, maybe Gwyn (because of the music and how easy he is, I killed him without getting hit) and Pinwheel (the easiest boss in the game).
I do not care when I kill Qualagg and The Fair Lady. I accidentally killed the fair lady in my evil ng+2 playthrough, so no Solaire for Gwyn :(
That's the only reason I don't kill the Fair Lady sooner.
@Suni Victor yea
A intresting detail is that she says "quelaag please dont cry" implying that our chosen undead is rather sad meaning that our undead has affection for the fair lady
If I was the chosen undead I would be crying like a bitch too
@@Avannior yah seems about right
Mega sad
@@theshreddedone8322 biggest sad
@@watcherknight5938 indeed
15:07 Painful how Quelana doesn't even mention her brother while all he does is mourn her loss and defend her grave.
She was probably certain that, out of all of her siblings, he was the one who absolutely *HAD* to have died in the invasion.
Not just because of the unfortunate nature of his demonhood, but specifically because of his intense dedication to his sisters even through the pain it caused.
After all, certainly someone who loved them (and her) so dearly would have been among the first fatalities when Gwyn's warmongering came to Izylith, in order to defend his beloved mother and sisters...
...Right?
Well, the grave was probably the sixth sister.
@@TeodorAngelov The Gold-Hemmed set is found on the corpse on the altar. The description of the set states that it was once worn by Quelana of Izalith. It's unlikely that that is an error, as FromSoft is usually very meticulous about environmental storytelling.
@@RahmpageChicken It's just a conjecture, but is the set unique? It could be worn by all sisters
@@TeodorAngelov there is a sister outside the boss room.
When demons are more human than gods.
In a lot of stories the so called devils and demons are better then the gods
If you get the chance, watch Hawkshaw's last lore video on Ash Lake and the rebellion against the gods. It seems, if Hawkshaw's speculation is correct (it is certainly convincing) that even many of the gods themselves turned on or abandoned Gwyn and Seath, probably because they realised the same.
@@mothsforeyes So maybe Pontiff didn't have the worst idea... I mean he was a major ass and a tyrant. But the God's held power through conflict as well.
Demons are always closer to humans gods and Angel's have ego problems
The gods in Dark Souls were humans who mantled the throne that gods were meant to be seated upon. The demons were not made of fallen angels in this world, instead they were born of the chaotic flame created by the one who sought to extend their age. Our world and the world of Lordran are very different in this way, for all originated from humans in a way, rather than arising from those above. A shame, perhaps with the proper guidance their world may have survived.
God dammit, i literally never knew about the corpses of Quelaana and the Fair Lady in Dark Souls 3 until this video and when you showed that and said “she finally found the strength to return home” I couldn’t hold the tears back
i read your comment before i watched that part but it still got me good ;-;
I knew about the corpse, but I never knew the story behind it since I haven't yet played Dark Souls 1 (don't worry, I will).
It all adds up, when I found it and went nutz about how it all connects I was told it's just a pyromancers grimoire your thinking too much about it
I knew it was the fair lady when I saw it but I thought it was the egg man that was next to her, i never put two and two together, it makes it even more sad now
@@Da_Swifta Did you ?
11:40 "Their loyalty was so fierce, that their weapons' defy the laws of physics and clips through shields."
Not loyal enough to overpower a dude pushing their swords around with their bare hands, sadly
@@soundwaves8619 DS3 Black Knights would beg to differ
@@boid9761 True, parrying the black knights is such a bitch in DS3. Then again, so is everything; and I'm hardly a god at it myself.
Yes
When you had to kill the fair lady:
"Im sorry little one"
What did it cost
@@helios6444 everything
Do you have to kill her?
@@jamesashcroft8170 If you want her soul... If you want to be just like Lautrec
Lorax 12 I kill her just before fighting Gwyn so she’d be alive again in NG+. Besides, she’s clearly suffering even though she says she’s fine.
"Despite the mothers feeble attempts to swat us away" feeble my ass what a pain that boss fight is.
the famed bed of bullshit
"Feeble attempts to swat us away"
Is that what you call smacking us into bottomless pits with laser precision?
get gud you filthy casul :p
@@namicfm5997 wow there is a pro here boohoo
@@kiro253 Think you might be missing the almost decade old joke there old boy
@@namicfm5997 He probably leveled up dexterity. What a casul XD
Dark Souls: Gwyn Ruins Everything
He strted ....... n ruined everything 😆
Well, all gods do it, he only wantet to be like the rest
This...Gwyn fkd everything he worked so hard for but not like his end was happy in any way
He broke the cycle, first dragons and grey crags, then it was Gwyn and his age of fire's turn after which it should have been humanity and its age of darkness. But no Gwyn put a ring of fire on humanity, walled off the pygmy Lords and off he went to burn his own ass to prolong his own age...
@@sydanthay2172 But his kids couldnt extend age of fire ....... gwynevere is lost .......gwyndolin was eatan alive ....... yorshka is imprisoned in her own castle ....... and nameless king is slaughtered by some unknown armed undead (if we assume it is canon) .......... gwyn's kids were not as badass as gwyn
me watching this video: "prepare to cry", HAH not a tear shed.
Vaati: "she finally found the strength to return home"
me:..... :'(
That fuckin music. Got me hard
spearman247 anyone know the title of this song
@@bloodyninja2411 It's Choir Hymn, it can be found on youtube.
Me too
Not one tear from me.... Until now. If there is a Dark Souls 4 I'd like it to have much more of a hopeful tone to it. This suffering has to mean something more in the end than propaganda and ego.
"Quelagg do not cry, I am here"
IM NOT CRYING YOU ARE!
HiroNakamuraa33 just face leakage not crying!
DS3 was my first and only experience with the series, and the Old Demon King was cemented as my favorite fight. Near the end when he blew himself up and dropped to his knee I was confused that he didn't stand up again. Then when I approached I saw him go for his hammer and spam rolled away just to see him fail to lift it and go for a feeble swat. It really stuck with me. I looked around his arena finnaly noticing the mounds of dead demons. I had to know what happen. And that's what really got me into DS literally one optional boss that had a story to tell without showing any of it.
I start first on demon souls then ds2 and 3, bloodbourne amd finally ds1, i heard ds 1 is the best out of all games, so i saved it for last, but i kinda like bloodbourne better 😂, and yes at first it might seems like a normal hard rpg type of game but it is so much more than that, like finding quelana corpse in ds3 a year after i played it. This is why i love the series so much.
Try DS1. Warping only becomes available midgame, which encouriged the great interconnected world design.
When a single, optional and even completely missable boss holds enough lore and story for it's own game. That's why I play dark souls, frustrating as all hell sometimes but can't be compared to other games in the rpg genre, it's in a tier of its own
I want a game related to DarkSouls that will let me play as the first of a new demon race. Maybe an undead-demon.
Id rather have a Londor dlc or spinoff
“She finally found the strength to return home”
You call that the silver lining? That almost had me in goddamn tears!
I actually had to pause it at that point. I think it's lachrymose but as someone who was debilitated by guilt for 7 years I think it's also beautiful that she finally found peace in the end.
I call it the gold hemming
@@lusamine2409 I hate how clever that is
@@unhackerthelaziestbastardo6083 mans replying to a 2 year Old thread
Mother Izalith's attempts to swat us away were QUITE effective, thank you very much.
God...this boss was so painfully bad...
😂😂😂😂
@@restfulflames9855 "boss"
“Boss” more like PTSD inducing nightmare
The number of times it took me to do it even with help at times...I can safely say I mastered the perfect run path.
Never noticed that detail with Quelanas Corpse curling up on her sister.. damn. These games and their stories.., and detail. I need more Dark Souls games, and more Vaati videos.
Daniel O. I’ll be your 100th like thanks
Honestly for all we know it could be the egg man. Does tge corpse have a bra? It could literally be anyone because its a generic item placement corpse.
I didn't notice immediately when I first played, but I had to do a double take when I picked the book up and started to walk away. I was like "Wait a second. Oh man, that's so sad." Quelana was my favorite character in DS1.
@@SaltedMallows indeed, did not think of that.. but for the sake of a good story, i want to believe it's Quelanas Corpse :P
@@SaltedMallows I don't think it's the egg man because he can't do anything else than crawling and the corpse is sitting
I thought Ceaseless Discharge was an imcomplete gimmick fight. Now I see he was just weak on purpose, because he was holding on for dear life to not burn in lava. That really changes my perspective of the fight.
_Bed of Chaos is still shit though_
Yeah mechanically the Bed of Chaos is shit. Its not hard, its just annoying, especially if you are not fastrolling.
And it doesnt feel fulfilling at all because the lore of Izalith is really subtle even compared to the "average" DS lore... Everything is quite misleading to make you think demons are just mindless monsters and chaos flame destroyed Izalith. The dragon butts and the generic unfinished/rushed feel of the whole area doesnt help either.
Why would you think that? The quick kill option is clearly intentional
@@manguy01 I actually fought it in my blind playthrough and thought it was imcomplete, because he has 2 attacks, and both of them look bad with poor effects and erratic animations. It's really below Dark Soul's standards.
@@marcshimpar7645
Honestly, i always found it weird that so many Demons were serving Gwyn until Vaati brought up the possibility that those demons were spoils of Gwyn's Black Knights during their war on Izalith. That actually explains a shockingly lot since the Black Knight gear stated that they fought chaos demons, which seems contradictory to the fact that so many are serving in labor roles in Lothric, until it becomes apparent that they're prisoners of war.
Every fight tells a story
The shots in this are incredible. Thank you for yet another great video Vaata and co.
Vaati is now a company
Nice, I never knew that you liked Vaatividya
ah yes, the vaati company
vaata vadya
Eingyi speaks so humbly about himself, and especially in regards to the Fair Lady, and even sharing his flame with you... such a likable sort, despite his grotesque appearance, so seeing 15:34 and that masterful editing... Christ, my fucking heart - the hurt from the betrayal in his voice, the fact he tries so desperately in vain to move his decrepit parasitic host of a body to stop the Chosen Undead, how failing that he cries out to the sickly Fair Lady, which is a helpless and gut-wrenching desperate act in itself as no matter how he cries out, she cannot understand his words, and in her blindness she can't even see what's happening right before her, and lastly, his despair at her death...
The last 5 minutes of the video is such a huge payoff of pure melancholic bliss, and I see a lot of comments feeling for the Children of Chaos, something I don't fault them for, but Eingyi was the one that really hit me like a truck. Peter Marinker is a splendid voice actor.
THANK YOU
Couldn't have worded it better
everyone calls eingyi annoying but he too breaks my heart
16:28 Feeble attempts to swat us away.... I still suffer vietnam flashbacks from my feeble attempts on that boss.
"Feeble"
I just run and shoot an arrow at it
I thought the black knights were silver knights who were scorched by the chaos flame in the battles.
You're right that they were silver knights. However, they were actually scorched by Gwyns flame in the Kiln. The item descriptions are very poor on this in english
ah i see. well thank you for the info.
@@VaatiVidya Hi
VaatiVidya I’m pretty sure it expressly mentions that in the English description. Something about being burnt to ashes when the flame was linked
They are???!! But it's from Gwen not the dragons in the original text I believe.
It might be a little dramatic but everytime I pass through the smoldering lake in a new playthrough I always pay my respects to the fair lady by leaving a message with the prayer gesture. It's just become part of the routine I follow in new playthroughs now
Throwing a dung pie at them is way cooler
Imagine this: if you die enough times being human to Queelag, she thanks you ans surrenders for she has enough humanity to save her sister
Is this true
@@nachocheez9690 Sadly not
If only it was that fair.. it wouldn't be a souls game if it didn't hurt, would it?
No amount of humanities can save her, they can just ease her suffering
She’ll always need more, keeping her sister alive is like keeping the first flame alive. In the end death and darkness are inevitable
Wow! The character mods combined with that filter really is a feast for the eyes!
I had always assumed that the corpse Ceaseless Discharge is mourning over was another Daughter of Chaos. I thought Miyazaki purposely put 7 of them in the game to match the opening cutscene. Those 7 being Quelaana, Quelaag, The Fair Lady, the two that are part of the Bed of Chaos, the dead one Ceaseless Discharge is mourning, and the one that attacks you outside of the Bed of Chaos.
This would make more sense to me.
100% agreed as well. It always bothers me that most people don't know/remember that the bed of chaos is not just the Witch of Izalith, and that the 2 orbs we break were what remains of 2 of her daughters. Like in lore videos from other channels before ds3s dlc came out theorizing that yuria and her 2 siblings who founded the sable church were the remaining daughters of Izalith, thinking there is 3 missing or unaccounted for. Drives me nuts lol.
There are 6 daughters in the game. That is a fact, no theorizing. Qualagg, the fair Lady, the one who attacks you outside the boss room, the 2 in the BoC, and Quelana. What we dont know is if that corpse with the the gold hemmed set is the 7th sister, or Quelanas, as the item description specifically says the set was worn by Quelana. My theory, is that there are only 6 in the game. Quelanas opening dialogue always struck me as strange.."a mere undead, yet you can see me". What does that mean? To me, ive always took that as a hint that that is not Quelana, not in physical flesh and blood at least. I always will believe that who we see and talk to is Quelanas spirit/ghost, as she died long ago, and that is her corpse with the gold hemmed set being watched over by CD. So where is the 7th sister? I dont know. I dont think shes in game, and do to how Izalith was really rushed due to time constraints, i believe Miyazaki might of planned for her to be there in the game, but they just didnt have time.
My personal theory? The 7th daughter is the centipede demon. it seems that the further from the Chaos Flame they were, the less hideously transformed they were. This is why Quelana seems normal (even if who we talk to is her spirit, it is specifically stated that she got out before things went completely crazy. Quelagg still has her top half as human, and her lair is further from Izalith. Same with the fair lady, who also seemed to be similiar to Quelagg, but due to her sickness, we cant tell whats from the chaos flame and whats from the disease. The 2 sisters and Witch of Izalith were obviously the closest, as they have not a trace of humanity anymore, and are full on abominations. And the one outside the boss room could have "survived" like Quelana did, and came back to watch guard over her mother and sisters. So was the 7th daughter closer to the Chaos that she became the centipede demon, further away from her mother and 2 sisters who have no real form, and closer than Quelagg and the fair lady, whos top halves survived and only the bottom halves were disfigured? Leaving her as jusy a full on demon, who also watches over the demon ruins/Izalith, as we can see her (it) clinging to the wall from the Demon Ruins. That's my take
I know that does clash with the design works interview where Miyazaki said they originally had the centipede demon fight where the bell gargoyles are on top of the undead parish church, until they came up with the idea of the gargoyles, but we dont know how early on in developement that was, and after placing the gargoyles the centipede demon defintely could have been placed where it is as Miyazaki could have thought out this idea and placed it accordingly. Just a thought. God damn do i love Souls lore lol
@@JTisOneCrazyMan20
You already forget, the Centipede Demon was born from the spot where the Orange Charred fell Ring when Ceaseless Discharge dropped it. And according to the ring's description, he was born a malformed demon 'since his sores were inflamed by lava from birth.' Which means that at the time of the cutscene where the Izalith & her daughters had gathered to create the Chaos Flame, Ceasless Discharge was not yet born.
In any case I digress.
My point is that the simplest explanation is easier, that the corpse guarded by Ceaseless Discharge really is the 7th daughter of Chaos. It just takes a bit more reasoning than imagination to explain. Vaati did mention that Quelana faked her death, but there isn't anything implicit of her taking such a course of action. It could be she simply left. Also because that was a hella amazing video & telling it that way is within Vaati's artistic liberties.
Anywho, taking that cutscene into account, it's quite obvious that the 2 sisters flanking Izalith became the mounds that also flank the Bed of Chaos, as the transformed staves jutting out from them would indicate. In all likelihood, that would mean that the next closest sisters were Quelaag & the Fair Lady as they are not so grotesquely transformed themselves. This leaves the last 3 sisters unaffected; the hostile pyromancer, Quelana who wanders the poisonous swamp, & the dead sister.
Considering that this dead sister's corpse lies in front of Ceaseless Discharge, she is likely the one mentioned in the description of the Orange Charred Ring, the witch who enchanted it against lava. Since that ring was hers but she gave it to her brother & he dropped it, lava spewed out from him, & without the ring to protect her, the 7th sister lost the 'floor is lava' game while her parasite could have become the Centipede Demon. This sad turn of events likely convinced the 2 remaining sisters against accepting parasites of their own & becoming demons themselves. On one hand, Quelana was so appalled by what had happened, so fearful of the Chaos Flame, she wanted to get away. After swaddling her dead sister in one of her fire resistance garb so that their brother could watch over her corpse without damaging it too much, she fled as Gwyn & his Black Knights came to Izalith, bringing war. On the other hand, the last non-demon sister guards their mother, being braver than Quelana.
And Quelana really is alive & not a ghost. If she were dead, they would have made it apparent like with Chancellor Wellager being a ghost. Not to mention you can hit her & kill her. The fact that you can only see with a flame upgraded to at least +10 means she was using a personal pyromancy to conceal herself, and only when you get better with pyromancy will you be able to see her.
PaszerDye ahh yes you are correct, completely forgot about the Centipede Demon being created from Ceaseless and the ring! My bad. But i stick by the rest of my comments! Lol
I always thought that the corpse of with the bed of chaos maggot was the witch of izalith. I mean, it does look like the two sisters are forced to be connected to the bug
"I have you.....don't I....?"
Every, single, time. Tears.
This is the only "Prepare to Cry" that actually made me cry.
Bro has NOT watched the Father Gascoigne video
Artorias and Sif made me cry everytime I go back to them. A must watch from Vaati!
Izalith is such a depressing place, all the people there suffer in pain and torment, wether lamenting over a “dead” sibling, trying to keep her remaining sibling alive, being that remaining sibling, blind and in pain unable to tell any voices apart, having to be fed people’s humanity just to stay alive, and even the mother, bent, twisted broken in pain, in a horrible humiliating condition only to keep the flame alive and under control, only to have some random fuck off undead stroll in and out an end to their misery, I’d feel more for these people if their area wasn’t such ass.
Literal ass. There's dragon asses everywhere.
Biggest chance to make the remaster shine imo
Just put a leedle bit of work into izalith
@@DeadpoolX9 if only
@Subhan
Most irritating creatures in the game.
Lots of civilizations throughout the Cycles of Kindling have tried to replicate the Dragons.
I suppose when the Bed of Chaos gave it a go all that came out was a giant butt xD
Maybe that's what got to Gwyn.
He was thinking "damn, we're good. We killed all them Dragons..... WHAT ARE THOSE?!"
And thus the War began xD
Not gonna lie, seeing this video in my notifications gave me a Ceaseless Discharge
LOL
You might want to consult a physician...
I'm not sure if I should congratulate you on the joke or be absolutely disgusted.
Caught me off guard real good
@@jokig2267 Nothing stops you from doing both
Is it weird that I find Eingyi one of the most tearjerking characters in the entire Souls series?
His pathetic, disbelieving, anguished shrieks of grief and sorrow when you kill the Fair Lady is guaranteed tears.
@@NotAGoodUsername360 on my first playthrough i got freaked out and killed him with fire as soon as i saw him past the illusory wall, didnt even get to talk to him... after learning who he was i felt so bad about it
@@NotAGoodUsername360 Especially since he personally allows you to get close to her, and you lied to abuse his trust
“Lies the corpse of Quelana, curled up to the fair lady. She finally found the strength to return home”
Where grown men cried 😭
Witch of Izaleth: “Shit, the fire’s dying out. Hey I’ve got crazy idea!”
Gwyn: “Go on....”
Witch of Izaleth: “We got these souls from the first flame, right? I’ll use my soul to make another fire!”
Gwyn: “I don’t think that’s-“
*Flame erupts to reveal unholy monstrosities*
Witch of Izaleth: “Look at all my cute demon babies!”
Gwyn: “Goddamnit...”
Everyone in the Souls games is made of really good ideas
😂😂😂😂
SuNLigHt 4 LIfE
Bruh the video that's from is gold
“Dad I kinda lost the history books...and your Van Hallen mix tape.”
Surviver's guilt, huh?
Well, I can think of a ... solution for that kind of problem.
Heh.
Lautrec you rascal you
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*THAT'S OUR LAUTREC!*
@@extrajerky2940 WHO ELSE BUT LAUTREC?
In my experience, a steep ledge, a good hearty kick, and gravity solve almost all of my problems.
The Old Chaos of Eleum Loyce was my favorite tale of the Chaos. A powerful king basically built his kingdom on top of a portal just to personally watch and contain the Chaos. A lot like the Black Knights, the Loyce Knights got burned and charred which consumed them entirely. The King met that same fate. It was easily one of my favorite Dark Souls moments when that final gate opened and the Ivory King stepped out in flames.
The ivory king is a true bamf
Dark Souls 2 was your first game, wasn't it?
@@RafaelCosta-oi3be DS2 was my introduction to the series and I was very passionate about the culture of dark souls, imagine my disappointment when I found out I wasnt playing a real souls game.
@purple man I'm not trying to shit too hard on DS2, I love the game, but it's kinda wack
@purple man I agree, it should be held in high regard. I think it's a great game but I don't think its a great souls game. It's just too out of place in the series for my taste
There were 7 daughters of Izalith, who are all accounted for in game.
Quelaag and the Fair Lady
The two roots of the Bed of Chaos
Quelaana, the master pyromancer
The Daughter of Choas, who attacks when you approach the Bed
And the body on the alter.
While the Gold Helm set does say it was worn by Quelaana, the Daughter of Chaos ALSO wears it, as do all of the sisters in the opening cutscene. So the body is not likely to have been a fakes death, merely the lost sister since otherwise all of them are accounted for.
7 witches 6 daughters 1 mother
@@guillaumedemers2834If you count them in the opening cutscene there’s a total of 8. The bigger one being the mother then 7 smaller daughters
Don't forget the only son
Fair ladies's story is still one of the saddest stories Dark Souls has ever gave us, at least in my opinion.
Naw definitely grieve rat the thief.
Nah it's gotta be how Nito was just chilling in his home then Pinwheel broke in and stole the Rite of Kindling, further diminishing Nito's already dwindling power. Poor guy just wanted be a spooky skeleton, but ended up being responsible for every death in the world and became a victim of breaking & entering.
Wait until you all hear about sif and Artorias...
Sif
Siegmyer of Catarina still gets me
Thanks for making us feel like a bad guy again Vaati.
we are the bad guys in ds1 if you think about it....Most of the bosses we kill are just there minding their own business(nito, ons, bed of chaos, all of them demon boss in lost ize , moonlight butterfly, sif, gargoyles, priscilla, etc). we just walk in out of the blue and murders them to get whatever we need....Like..wtf...
DS3 bosses are a lot more "evil" in comparison(Aldrich literally ate Gwendolyn, watchers are polluted by the abyss, vordt and dancer are corrupted by pontiff, nameless king is hollow, etc)
@@zheyuezhao456 Gargoyles defend the bell but you walk in to ring the bell because you have to open the sens fortress and continue quelaag wants to kill people who go at her lair to let her sister feed humanity ceaseless discharge is sad, moonlight i don't know where the hell why seath yeah he imprisoned you, rhea, logan, and more. and nito yeah he made the undead more powerful
in DS3 i think pontiff is much more evil than you watch his lore, yeah fuck that guy. Sif is training you he got saved by you(you'll understand the dlc) he wants to train you because he reminds you of artorias so you can be ready rip sif, artorias got consumed, priscilla got locked away.
@@alejandroestrada9249 Seath imprisoned you because you invaded his castle, it makes sense....Nito is the Lord of death, he is supposed to be making his own people more powerful, it is not like he is making his minions attack the living. Dude just wants to keep his people in a damn tomb. Quelaag only kills intruders that goes into her lair, to survive, which isn't all that bad...you just reiterated what I said.. These guys aren't evil, they just doimg whatever they have to do etc. They not killing for the sake of killing like some ds3 bosses
My point is there isn't enough moral just cause to be murdering some of those bosses
@@zheyuezhao456 Also seath is smart, because he imprisoned you with a disabled bonfire because you can't die, the channeler in undead parish takes rhea to the archives to be imprisoned, killing the fair lady means your the biggest villain because you killed sun bro. bed of chaos wants to make the age of fire to continue, making a misery is just to end the suffering....
What's this? Some remastered Vaati at three in the damn morning?
DON'T MIND IF I DO!
VERY GOOD!
guys the video with Quelaag at 2:33 is from dark souls (2011) with mod dsfix or from remastered?
@yo yo THANK YOU
"Please Vaati no more lore I need to sleep"
@@DerpDashAlex HELP ME!
18:15 I like how the Dark Souls 3 easter egg means completely different things based on what you did to the Fair Lady in Dark Souls 1.
If you didn't kill the Fair Lady for the firekeeper's soul, then Quelana and her probably spent their last days togther and that serves as sort of a redemption for Quelana. But if you killed her, then Quelana came back home just to find the corpse of everyone in her family, which probably caused more guilt.
Danm From Software!
Quelaag protecc
She also attacc
But most importantly
She has a really nice racc
but u have no egg sacc
..bah, no matter!
*Amazing chest ahead*
*Try two-handing*
The meme is dead oof
Ey bro it's Demon chill
@@officialjoley2196 what is dead can never die
Okey, So what gwyn did so far is -
- cursed humans with his seal of fire.
- fxxked up ring city and the life of his daughter (+ poor ringed kights who just got their powers band even tho they helped gwyn with his fight against dragons)
- banished his son
- made his other son a cross dresser
Since there is no ‘official’ complete story line in dark souls, only how you take them and interpret them is what matters... my next statement can be argued whether it’s true or not.
But gwyn is a whole lot of ass
Gwyn never banished his son, his son was banished after Gwyn’s departure from Anor Londo. In all likelihood, the Firstborn departed on his own accord, and Gwyndolin tried to eliminate him from history in order to ensure the reputation of Anor Londo remains high.
Gwyin is the ultimate ass in the souls lore.
@@OldManMcLoyf pretty sure gwyn did banish his son, although i don't think his son was banished in general. Pretty sure he just betrayed gwyn and sided with some of the last few ancient dragons and gwyn got rid of any evidence of his existence after that.
Also even if there isn't always an official right story with dark souls, gwyn being a dick is one of the few things that is. He did a lot of bad shit just because he wanted to keep his power, and there's no really good reason for it in the dark souls lore outside of gwyn just being selfish and cowardly. Not to mention, gwyn's greatest sin which started the cycle is definitely miyazaki saying that yeah gwyn fucking sucks.
What if You were looking back on your life and realized after running a successful business you hurt and affected lots of people around you. There's no way to say sorry and can't bring yourself to admit the horrible tragedies that came from you. So you make a game and since it's your game you picture yourself the way you are currently, an old man somewhere alone, decreased from after your life of greatness. Maybe surrounded by lots of people currently running your business in nice black suits.
You reflect on each of the businesses and mergers over the years, people that lost their jobs, and the geat creations your firm was responsible for. You reflect on your family and how your oldest son had gone to work for a rival company. Now it's so remorseful, but back then you severed ties because of his betrayal.
And here you are "Gwyn, Lord of Cinder".
@@Zer0cul0 so basically you saying creating ruin all around you and leaving in it is ok, huh? That's not how our world or any other would work where society exists. Gwyn is just the way to show how it should NOT be a ruller or the person who responsible for the world around you. Also you trying compare boss like figure to king like figure(aka much more responsibility and as is consequences).
In less than 30 seconds, I realised and felt the pain that goes into making these videos.
Also F for Quelana as well.
Orora how
@@nathansilva2799 right at the end when all the failed attempts at getting footage for the video was being shown, to get the positioning and everything set up perfectly just to fuck up and say, fall off of the branch leading to the Bed of Chaos core, or hitting the NPC cause you accidently hit the wrong button and have to restart the character just to try again.
the ending just hits in a special way, learning that Quelana did, FINALLY, return home.... to find her faded sister... and died curled up against her sibling
(Face her own Demons) aaaaaaaaaaaay I sow what you did there
why do you sow?
He didn't sew, he weaved a story
Oh yes ive never been so happy to have terrible sleep habits
My second semester of uni starts soon and most of my classes are in the morning boy I am fucked
Tonight was another night where i died again inside while ready to rid of myself from this world. But then this video distracted me from that.
walker Hawkins I should probably head to sleep and it’s Almost 3 am but fuck it
Okay seriously. This is one dark ass video.
DARK Souls 🤣
What’s an ass video?
dark ass video?
I swear, the lore for Dark Souls makes me want to play it less because I don’t want to make the choices to kill them, especially Sif and the Fair Lady
You dont have to kill the Fair Lady though. Unless you want an extra firekeeper soul you cant wait for until the next ng+.
Lore wise the chosen undead did not kill the fair lady. He helps her with humanity and goes through the secret pass getting a high rating with her faction affords. He saves solaire (who goes on to sacrifice himself to light the kiln for another age) while the undead himself abandons it.
THe white lady is eventually visited by her sister, and they stay together until they both eventually pass away.
@@tenjenk what evidence is there that solaire lit the fire?
@@tenjenk The entire timeline of Dark Souls starts crashing when the age of fire starts ending. Everything is both canon and not canon at the same time
Mackie Messer There isn’t. But people say that if you save Solaire, and summon him at Gwyn’s fight, supposedly it was his passion and fire within himself that lit the flame, if your character doesn’t light the flame him/herself. Of course, this isn’t true at all, it’s just fan fiction. It’s not canon that Solaire is saved anyway. He becomes the carthus sandworm in DS3 I believe.
Praise the lore.
\Lore/
guys the video with Quelaag at 2:33 is from dark souls (2011) with mod dsfix or from remastered?
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Your best video so far! Truly shows how tragic and misunderstood the chaos and its demons are, something that is very easy to miss if you do not pay very close attention in a casual playthrough.
Do you think that Gwyn changed his mind during the war when he realised that the demons were actually not horrible and mindless creatures?
Wow.... this is probably quite honestly the most depressing story of all of Dark Souls.
its Artorias for me.
Every story in dark souls is sad in a way. Its all a sad universe..
@@_b1ack0ut4 nah, Artorias' tale was a filthy lie made by that mushroom
@@carancole5974 They're human stories that most people miss the beauty of because all they see is the depressing parts.
"She finally found the strength to return home."
Who put this bowl of onions here?
18:13 Oh god, my heart...
You really are brilliant at this, Vaati. I don't know how you keep managing to find new things to make me love this franchise even more.
Dark Souls would not mean what it does to me without your work.
Thank you!
I highly recommend the TH-camr Hawkshaw as well. Vaati even linked their video on Demons in the description.
If you love Vaati's work I guarantee you'll love Hawkshaw's work too.
Judging by the other comments I have to assume I'm not the only one watching this at 4:30 in the morning, sometimes a terrible sleep schedule has its benefits though am I right.
The only reason I’m not sleeping, is because I’m getting sighns of sleep paralysis so I’m like, “Yeah no screw this, I’m just gonna stay up until everyone else is up, then go to sleep, if I still have sighns, I’m going to stay up then”
sometimes..... sometimes time difference works out advantegous for us europeans ;)
You know we have different time zones, right? Here it's 17:20 right now.
Yeah it’s one of those nights man
amen haha
That ending really touched me in my dark soul.
I wanted to share something with you all
I lost my mother/grandmother back in May. This video by vaati was her favorite story we watched the whole thing over and over
I love you Jeanette Dorothy Lennox, Rip 1948- 2020
My condolences, may she rest in peace
May she rest in peace.
There is no better place or peace with her gone
Rest in peace.
she was your mother and grandmother?
Me: Why is it called "Prepared to Cry", that's just lore.
*Sees 18:06
Me: Oh gawd, here they come...
This is why I love Dark Souls, they don't shove the sadness in your face, you gotta find it, but once you do, you can never look at these bosses the same way. Much like how our first time we saw that scary but sexy spider monster but after we learned the story, everytime we go back, we see a Sister, desperately trying to save her blind, dying sister. It's powerful
"Remember, fear the flame lest you be devoured by it and lose yourself. I'd hate to see that happen again" I'll always remember this line from Quelana and the original lore vid
Another perspective, bouncing off these ideas in this video:since we know that at ONE point chaos flame *was* unstable at one point, what if the reason the witches of Izaleth were able to stabilize the it was because the mother and 2 of her daughters had no choice but to sacrifice themselves TOO the bed of chaos, forever existing within it to keep it in control and stabilized? If they are trapped in an eternal existence of controlling the chaos, maybe it IS hell. Maybe we are putting them out of their misery.
Very appreciated comment, I'm with you.
I thought that was the most direct implication one could get from the game, the structure of the arena and the red warding magic we see seem to suggest that it was a last ditch effort to stem the tide of chaos and that all the demons we see in Izalith are what seeps through- and that the seal is weakening, since demons start exploring into areas further afield. The undead merchant's dialogue suggest that Capra and Taurus are recent arrivals in undead burg and lower undead burg, recent invaders specifically.
that wouldnt really work with the demons having priests and language
15:33 Stop making your title so painfully accurate.
So well done too. Godamn ninjas cutting onions.
God the desperation in Eingyi's voice really gets me. Really well done
Fuuuck, Vaati! Your machinima has reached its absolute zenith. I cannot wait to see what you and your contributors do with Sekiro. ❤
I started playing dark souls again after a year in anticipation of its release in the coming months.
@@poisonedart1333 I'm SO stoked. Cant wait.
"We thought that we were as sad as we could be for the sisters of chaos, we thought that there was no worse feels to be had...
"We were wrong."
I felt such sadness when I first saw the extinguished Stray Demon in Dark Souls 3. A sense of "oh what's become of you, old friend".
Choas was always one of my favorite parts of Dark Souls.
It starts seemingly like a buch of ravenous, savage beasts and then you realize they are a whole culture grasping to survival like the gods and freedoms like the humans, and are both dicked over by humans and gods (which I'm not considering that makes them innocent or anything, since every kind dick each other over in this universe all the time with the gods being the dickiest).
I'm not sure if you used choas instead of chaos cause of tts so now I'm not sure what I should comment so I'll just comment my confusion.
man
this.... this is a complete 180 on the original theory crafted, and I kinda like that. Despite how old this game is lore is still being ripped apart and trying to be understood.
First off, amazing touch on the music. Every scene and shift with the music to support it was, top notch. Perfect choices I would dare say. And thank you Vaati, and thank you to those who helped him make this video possible. It was the Prepare to Cry: Sisters of Chaos video that got me into Dark Souls all those years ago, so this felt like one, big happy reunion. Love you guys, thank you for the wonderful video. I am proud to be part of this community and will happily support your future projects!
Caramel Frappe vatti is a goat frfr
And it was so, that the Devil himself sat in the room and asks you;
"So you killed them all to complete your goals. Was it worth it?"
When the fair lady said “no it does not hurt terribly” that HIT
In a nutshell, I've learned that Gwynn was even more of an asshole. I pitied him once but now I can only see him for the fool that he was. His attempt at turning himself into kindling for the flame was a failed attempt at repentance. No matter what he did, he did it arrogantly and foolishly. Nobody better to instigate a series like this I suppose...
I think there's no actual proof that demon wars took place before Gwyn's sarifice. I'd rather think that they were preemptive measure of stopping Izalith from taking over power from Anor Londo after creation of Bed of Chaos and after Gwyn was gone.
@@Kr10n1 Gwyn took the Black Knights with him to the Kiln of the First Flame, and their armour was scorched black by the Flames of Chaos. So the wars had to have happened first
@@ahmedlateef8669 Their armor became black because of the sire that erupted after he lit the flame
@@Tlouman01 "Shield of the Black Knights that wander Lordan. A flowing canal is chiseled deeply into its face."
"Long ago, the black knights faced the chaos demons, and were charred black, but their shields became highly resistant to fire."
@@ahmedlateef8669 could it be that the ones that we encounter in the Kiln returned to hollow Gwyn after finishing their duty with demons ?
All im sayin is...that first sister she has an amazing.
Thorax.
*amazing chest ahead
@@quentinmobley1032 tongue but hole...
That abdomen
Yo bro it's a Demon chill yo nuts
@@plague6566 still would
Survivor's guilt is rough. And the damage it can cause is so insane and probably unforeseen. As someone who picked the Old Witch's Ring as their starting gift on their first playthrough, and then listening to The Fair Lady after killing Quelaag, I always wished there was something more we could do. Even with my infinite love for Solaire, I still always join the Chaos Servants, if nothing else than to repent for what I was forced to do to get there. If only we could give Quelana the courage - one way or another. Maybe we could have been given Izalith's Lord Soul since we know such acts are possible in some way- without the need for killing, since Gwyn had shared parts of his Soul to multiple people.
16:05 at .25 speed its killing me
Just like he killed the Fair Lady
amazing xD
...Words cannot describe that sound!
Hahahahahahahah thanks for that
I’m proper pissing myself at that 😂
I cant’t take it anymore…I`ll try one last time.
I love the videos Vaati put out there but it eludes my understanding why no one has questioned the relationship between ‘Lord’ Gwin and ‘Queen’ Izalith analogicaly to Izanagi and Izanami (or Orpheus and Eurydike):
Izanagi (Gwyn) and Izanami (izalith) were not just siblings, but also married. Izanami went to Yomi (Lost Izalith) to search for his lost spouse, but finds that she already has eaten the 'food' (cast the 'forbidden flame') so the gods of the underwolrd (demons) cannot let her go. He also finds her full of maggots and flees in horror. But Izanami (herself turned into a Demon) follows him until he plugs the entrance to the demon world with a rock (rock-throwing giants).
Agterwards he cleans himself in the water of a river. From this act of purification the sun goddess Amaterasu (Gwenevere), the storm god Susanoo (Nemeless King) and the moon God Tsukiyomi (Gwyndolin) arise.
This is obviously just an incomplete summary of the japanese mythology, but would give us undoubtedly a new perspective and a possible answer to the so far unanswered question “why Gwyn went into Lost Izalith”…to rescue his sister/wife…probably. Not out of fear, but love.
Come on guys, I know the DS-Series are western-oriented action RPGs (the best in my opinion), but Miyazaki still grew up with the Japanese mythology and history.
BTW: Similar analogies can be told about DSIII and the history of Japan (Lothric brothers being Oda Nobutaka and Oda Nobukatsu as a reference for further investigations).
Ooh never thought about this! Could be worth a look
@@pavith3817 Some further directions: Neto (Enma/ Yama in Buddhism), the player (Jimmu guided by the crow Yatagarasu) and so on...
Gwyn's hidden wife is Izalith herself
*I can get off of this Headcanon*
Cheekiest of the Breekis THAT ACTUALLY EXPLAINS WHERE BOOBS, TRAP AND DRAGON TAMER CAME FROM.
Interesting stuff, and definitely more than coincidence.
12:25 "A being of ceaseless discharge" Sounds like me at night.
Sifat Shams ahahaha
I am Sorry for your Diarrhea.
Skip on those tacos next time.
Jafar not diarrhea
Jafar ouch...
This was 3 years ahead of its time💀
I still join the Chaos Servants every single playthrough, at least long enough to offer what humanity I can. I always feel so guilty for taking away the Fair Lady’s last remaining source of comfort
I really wish Izalith wasn’t such a colossal disaster of game design. It really deserves so much better. The story of the Witch and her daughters is a real tearjerker
Now you can get the DS RPG book and run it much better. :D
"Hey this isn't so bad..." Suddenly 18:08 ;_;
Feels hit unexpected
im crying in the club rn
Oh man thats so true
did not expect that one.. a real gut punch
I thought I wasn't going to cry this time... I thought wrong.
Please keep doing these, my Girlfriend is playing Dark Souls on Switch right now and is pretty invested in the story. I can't wait to show her these remastered videos after she finished the game :) thanks
Shownher meanwhile, as she completely finish each story
Yeeeeeah, when she finally complete all these horrible atrocities, THEN we show her what an awful human being she rEaLy is, khe-he-he-he.
...Well, at least it would be an emotional moment :)
I was loyal to the fair lady until the end. I'm so glad to know she found peace in the end at the third game.
Well, we don't know for SURE that Quelana came to her before she died. She may have curled up next to her corpse. However, all of the Sisters and the Witch herself found peace eventually. The kind of absolute peace offered only by death.
I finally did it! The song at the end of the video is called: Choir Hymn
any specific one?
You are the real hero!
What’s song at beginning ?
hhhh by who though??? I've been looking for this one for ages
@@helen.faunway Provided to TH-cam by Epidemic Sound
Choir Hymn · More than Family
Summer Garden
℗ Epidemic Sound
Released on: 2015-08-14
Composer: More than Family
Auto-generated by TH-cam.
that last sentence....she finally found the strength to return home...
this was the sentence that affected me the most, i never played DS1 and it'S really nice to know so many details about the story from the game, thank you for everything you do vaati
Ok, this might`ve been your best work so far. I literaly cried on this one.
OMG those camera works were just PERFECT (also, how you managed to jump over the bed of chaos bridge from a lateral vision is just sick hehe)
I can`t imagine how hard this might`ve been for you, and I only can thank you for all this.
I mean, From Soft told us that a well-made world does not need written history to be understood.
And your interpretation of the game is just amazing and inspiring. I mean, From Soft created the Lore, but its beauty came alive with you.
Thanks a LOT.
Also, I loved the way you managed to include Dark Souls 2 on this. I'm looking foward for more of this.
Its really a challange to relate DS2 story to DS1/DS3.
Until next video!
Wait, wasn't "Lost Izalith" considered "Lost" when the demons took root? When you look at the city it has waterways and canals which you could think were once filled with water, as it is an city in a cavern environment. Then chaos was born and water was replaced by fire and magma, and the city became "ruined". Why does at 10:00 speak like Lost Izalith was built by the demons?
I think i means it is "rebuilt" or "recreated by demons"
well noticed, vaati needs to see that
Could be what ringed city was based off. Except this is the prototype. Fully enclosed and buried. Like a kiln.
What if rather than it being about the city its talking about Izalith herself for thats what the city itself is named after. Because she lost control of her flame. It could be reasoned that it's called lost Izalith because Izalith lost herself in her flame by letting the lust of fire consume her. But that's just a random thought.
@@blindknight6623 nah, shes called the witch of izalith. No real name. The only ones mentioned by name is Gwyn and Nito. The other two are called The Witch and The Pygmy.
I've noticed in most FromSoft games, the supposed good guys are mostly self serving assholes and the monsters/demons that you fight are the ones that you truly feel for eventually, once you find out what they went through.
The only one that stays a bro through the whole of Dark Souls is Solaire, the Sun Bro.
The only reason he attacks you in Izalith is because of a Sunlight Maggot using him as a host.
That is reality.
@@matthewgillis393 what about Siegward?
Why did Gwyn go to war? IMO it was because at that time Chaos was not in control. Which IMO is also implied in Quelana's dialogue,
"but she failed to control it. The Flame of Chaos engulfed Mother and my sisters, and moulded them into deformed creatures"
I liked this remaster better than the Artorias one.
Could it be that the "pact" was made after the Witch managed to control the flames?
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Most likely. The timescale I'm thinking of going by lore, Vatti and Hawkshaw is,
Chaos Flame is created > Izalith grows to a prosperous city > Chaos Flame gets out of control resulting in a war with Gwyn and horrible mutations > Quelana takes to the chance to escape under the impression that her family are now nothing but monsters > Somehow the Flame is brought back under control and the pact is established.
My belief is that Gwyn's definition of control and Izalith's definition of control differed. Izalith was able to restrain Chaos significantly, mutating herself and her children, but restricting the spawning of demons to a trickle and preventing the roiling inferno we see under Eleum Loyce, and believed that was sufficient. Gwyn, however, has shown that he believes only in absolute control, and that because Chaos wasn't fully contained, it could not be considered contained at all, and had to be destroyed. Quelana could not see past the horrific forms of her family, and believed they were lost. The black knights probably battled their way through the city of Izalith until they reached The Bed of Chaos itself, where they discovered two truths: that it was not within their power to destroy Chaos, and that truly containing Chaos could not be done.
So they forged a pact, where the city of Izalith and the Bed of Chaos would be allowed to remain, and in return, demons would not leave the ruins of Izalith unless to serve directly under Gwyn. Gwyn probably made increasing use of demons as guardians as it became clear that many of his other servants were not immune to the curse of undeath, while the demons were, as they were born of a different flame. This had been Gwyn's approach to many other insurmountable foes, and it worked perhaps the best it ever had in this case. Until his very own machinations led an undead to slay Izalith and claim her soul, releasing the fury of Chaos again. But this time, there would be no soul great enough to contain it.
Anyone who plays Dark Souls and separates these 2 sisters is the real monster.
Shame.
Bonus Shame to anyone who kills the Fair Lady.
She is in perpetual pain and you just slayed the only one who actually could give her some comfort, it would be piety to end her suffering
Agreed
... everytime i played dark souls, i ended up killing the fair lady.
The first time, i thought it was a monster. Then i learnt everything i could thanks to the crawling man, then i only slay the lady... "As thanks"
@@raptorjesues1445 There are those who seek to end the pain, yet those who do, are monster themselves for they do not seek mercy but the soul. Yet there are others who do not wish to end the pain but appease it, like her late-sister. To give up something so valuable and precious, though it's ironic really, that to make an act of humanity, you must give it away.
It was an error. An accident...
On her part anyway.
Of all of your video Vatti this is the one i come back to the most. The music, the storytelling, the editing. Its a masterpiece among a catalogue of outstanding work. RIP Quelana and Fair Lady.
The love that vaati has for this series is so evident in all of his content, its a joy to watch
What have you done?! Vaati!! You've slain the fair lady!!!
why did vaati kill her?
@@mr.x8468 shut up. Go back and hunt Leon.
@@H.U.R.nah pretty boy don't deserve it. and i prefer girls
Mr. X then why don’t you hunt Claire instead of Leon
AND IT WASN'T EVEN NECESSARY!! Quelana still thanks and rewards you if you leave the Fair Lady alive, the ones she want you to kill are Quelaag, Ceaseless Discharge, that one hostile sister whose name I forgot and the Bed of Chaos.
There is no actual need to kill the Fair Lady at all! I swear, Vaati did that just for feels effect, though I still think that could've easily been accomplished without killing her! After all, without Quelaag, Kirk or even the Chosen Undead around, the Fair Lady just doesn't have much time to live anyway. It would've been beautifully tragic if Quelana finally decided to come back, found the Fair Lady in her terminal state and, grief-wrecked, decided to spend her last days with her last sister... even after she would eventually die.
I mean, just imagine. The Fair Lady dies eventually, no matter what. And yet, instead of leaving, Quelana stays there... until the end.
It's amazing how they have created stories and characters like those which people like me would have never known a thing without people like you. Thank you a lot Vaati
Lights out, Volume up.
Watching this video as if it's a movie.
I think the story of the demons and chaos flame is straight up the saddest and most cataclysmic story arc in all of souls.
Their people are left to burn out ever so slowly, never to ignite again. All hope is truly lost.
Thank you so much for the work you do ❤️
It's been nearly a decade since I first watched this series. Now Elden Ring is coming out in 3-4 months, and I'm revisiting Dark Souls with the remastered version, and will be going back to Dark Souls 2 and 3 after. This actually made want to cry. Great job!
The fact that Miyazaki had the foresight to make Demon Ruins in DS3 and include the Old Demon King, the ruins of Izalith, and the Fair Lady and Quelana and connect all of that to DS1 and Eleum Loyce in DS2, just goes to show that he is the best fantasy storyteller of the 21st century while somehow not telling a story directly at all
DS2 was actually not directed by Miyazaki. Which I think is kind of cool to note, because in some ways they missed the mark, but in some ways they absolutely nailed it. Elium Loyce and the old chaos is such a cool continuation of the story.
Its also a great bonus for dark souls world that it wouldve been so easy to be generic and make the demons evil, but across the entire series they are shown as a nuanced people fighting to survive in a world wich never wanted them alive.
Really parallels to humanity itself.
I still feel no remorse for the Bed of Chaos.
15:30 that was well shot, well timed, and completely heart wrenching