Yeah, it's not like it's too hard that I can't run diff 9 or 10 with but it's just not fun to play or even to shoot. I still able to run high diff with any stupid weapon but I need to duck, to avoid, to runaway most enemies all time to finish the mission, which not fun at all.
@@peterstedman6140 That's a design failure. You shouldn't play a game 100% differently at one difficulty than another. Difficulty is meant to expand your gameplay skill, not contract it.
This is exactly the perspective that I think is wrong with the playerbase. You are talking about difficulties labelled as harder than "suicide mission." The fun from these levels of difficulty is the overwhelming odds, and it sounds like most of the playerbase is expecting to be able to have success on these difficulties without respecting that idea. The true "solution" to the "problem" most of the complainers are talking about is just playing on 6-7. My friend group exclusively plays on 9-10 and we are aware we aren't winning every fight, but we're there to face the impossible.
What always bugged me, is how the devs design all these assault rifles with 30 rounds magazines in an horde shooter, which usually takes 1 magazine for 2-3 enemies. It's baffling to me.
what I find most annoying is that the stalwart (doo doo weak MG) was meant to be a primary, because it's the only strategam weapon in the game that has a functional flashlight, the only other weapons that have that are pistols and primaries, and that's why the sickle is the sole used AR, it effectively hold 100 rounds, has 3 reloads and just feels good to use because you're not spending half the time reloading, I took out the starter liberator out on my last match alongside the stalwart, and I just stopped using the AR because it wasn't fun
@@jimbothegymbro7086 the stalwart is basically just a liberator with a bigger magazine, in terms of damage and penetration. I argue that the stalwart is what the liberator should be. As said ... needing to empty a mag every 2-3 common enemies (regarding how many dozens combined with armoured ones charge at you) is just bad game design. I also main the sickle since it's introduction, because of ammo managment. It's basically also a liberator (5 less dmg and same pen) with double the magazine size and replenishing ammo. I would be really mad of the devs dare to nerf my gun.
I would prefer if the devs would stop using the excuse of "realism" as a cudgel to bludgeon the players over the head with only when it proves to a detriment to the players but not use the "realism" cudgel and have it apply to everything else in the game. "We changed the ways flames work because we don't think it's realistic. By the way, you can't climb or land on that rock because we think it would limit the fun of the game."
@@Reginald-sc9tk Same, hate that. Still with jetpack, there are some cool areas to reach in some maps. its a shame we cant place turrent on top of rocks, as you know, a strategic placement.
If they knew what the fck they were talking about, they would know flames from a flame thrower ain't just "Flames", it's actual burning sticky liquid fuel ... Not a freaking blowtorch LMAO 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The company is full of idiots if they are saying "Realism" let me beat them over the head with that. Realism means those heavy units would die regardless of hit location with an anti tank weapon aREAL javelin atgm= the spear would 1 shot a charger or titan a tandem warhead would cut through any amount of armor that thing turns irl tanks into scrap heaps, guess what it would do to the chitin of an animal? vapotize it. Realism argument is bs because both can play that game if realism is the thing than heavy weapons should kill everything in 1 to 2 hits period no questions asked. Also for " REALISM" one does not have to stop and stand still to reload a rocket launcher or machine gun. so they need to get that bs outa here talking about realism my ass
You wind up just wondering why you're even there--the spaceship is the one getting all the kills, why don't we just go back up there and pilot the guns? It'd be more impactful than any of us going boots-on-the-ground most of the time, lol.
@@Reginald-sc9tk not enough gunner crew maybe? Also reloading teams might be slow af. I mean they ARE loading some guns from the front like a musket so i'd imagine that it takes a bit to reload.
What i've heard is that the Helldivers are literally just a holdover of their leaders being state sec and propaganda tools Also the rates at which they die at and cost to deploy is almost nothing compared to the SEAF, along with their k/d ratio, and 'mission success' rate. This isn't from an official source, but it makes sense and I think it's funny so I choose to believe this.
I guess the ship has more guns than it can sustain firing at once. Like a power supply or frame degredation issue that is just the core destroyer being badly designed since they're pretty clearly mass produced or whatever. If they want to be so realistic about it.
I'm not blind. I was spreading information, as well as my own assumptions, and being blunt about how my source isn't reliable. Helldivers bring results, and aren't any harder to replace than another base full of SEAF. Why am I getting censored for that? I don't think i'm lost this time.
Arrowhead: We've heard your feedback and decided to nerf the railgun again. It now comes with half as much ammo and unsafe mode no longer penetrates medium armor. Please give us $10 for a warbond that has 3 guns you'll use once and then forget about. I find it seriously impressive that these guys went from the saviors of gaming to despised by their players in less than a year.
Buzz has been giving very quality constructive criticism as well. The problem?… Arrowhead refuses to listen to their loyal, day 1s who stuck around through the thick and thin. A breed of helldiver that is slowly but surely, going extinct due to deliberate dev ignorance. So frustrating…
Big ass hunk of bug flesh and chitin, makes no sound when charging at you, full force. Flying creature named "Shrieker" does not shriek at all, even just randomly. DRG however has great sound cues and understands that it's important. (Mactera grabbers are very distinguished.)
DRG's sound cues are hit and miss. Macteras, Stingtails, Stalkers, all of the newer enemies in general are great, but the old basic enemies are awful, the grunts don't make any noise at all while moving about until they're right about to hit you, all you hear is the bite sound and the "digging under ground" sound, and the latter doesn't help if they don't spawn near you and suddenly just decide to follow you and out of nowhere you have someone nibbling on you from behind that makes no sound. It could be better.
Standard Arrowhead response: “We hear you and we have decided to nerf the ammo reserves more we also took away your ability to run for more than 5 seconds”
Enemy call ins is the worst design of the bunch, the entire reason to avoid combat. I understand the desire for realism by making enemies do instant call ins upon contact, but there needs to be a long delay before these units arrive, maybe even cancel the call in entirely if you wipe out the squad. I don't know what the best solution is, but as it stands the moment you engage in combat you get heavily punished. Edit: Many people are suggesting how to deal with call ins, I already know these methods but that was never the point I was raising.
I know that super helldive is supposed to be the hardest difficulty (for now), but the amount of enemy call ins is insane. I couldn't even be able to do a terminids emergency mission with a high-level group since there would be enemy patrols coming by and calling more bug breaches while a bug breach is already happening.
An immediate band-aid could be to have all call-ins put the timer on cooldown, regardless of whether or not said call-in was successful. It's so tiring to have to play whack-a-mole with an entire incoming chaff horde every time a bug breach or bot drop is ready, especially on higher difficulties when the patrols are so large and the call-in timer is so short that breaches/drops can themselves start calling in new breaches/drops. If we play proactively enough to eliminate the commissar or scavenger right as they get ready to drop hell on our Super Butts, we could at least be rewarded with not having to immediately and continuously repeat this task until we inevitably fail.
just have them call after a set time, I mean we're dropping from orbit with a hell of a bang so it makes sense, and the hordes get progressively bigger each time to encourage a risk reward (what reward? bah different tangent)
It would be fine if they called enemies at the end of the animaton, not the start, killing a automaton before they get a flare off only to still getting swarmed is so aggravating
Yeah, I quit three months ago when they dropped that "spawn rate fix" that resulted in endless waves of enemies just spawning out of thin air and increasing the less players were in the game. I played with 1-2 buddies and very rarely we got a fourth to fill out the team, so duo runs were our usual. And the way the spawn rate "fix" worked was so visible as soon as the third buddy dropped off - as if a switch was flipped, the enemies just spawn TWICE as much. When we're three? Manageable, engaging, fun. Two? We're running out of ammo just by fending off the harrasser chaff while desperately running from objective to objective. And the developers agreed, hey, this is too much, we'll fix it in the next patch. It's been three major patches in the row now, no such fix - no, the REVERSAL of their "fix". All these random nerfs nobody asked for like the flames change, citing REALISM for changing it... Armor does nothing to protect you against flamethrowers, because steel heats up and cooks whatever's inside, and chitin just straight up evaporates and bursts when impacted by the flame jets used by any kind of flamethrower. Meanwhile Hulks just incinerate you with a glance, through any terrain, ditto for all the other spewer enemies on the bugs front. Realism for thee, not for the opponents, helldiver. Arrowhead are just screwed in the head. There's no way around it. They have their twisted, strange idea of what the game is supposed to be, they seem to loathe the fun players were having with an awesome horde shooter on their hands, and they will go against all logic to crash and burn their runaway success into a niche indie game for masochists that they seem to want to stick around and praise every terrible change they make to the game. Shooting paperclips at a tank and hoping it explodes is hard, but it's neither effective nor fun, and you have to be completely insane to do so with any hope for success. But that's what Arrowhead want you to do, it seems. I wish I could just play the launch version of this game. I played it nonstop for a month, to the point my hands and wrists were hurting from mashing keys. It was such a good time. Whatever they're doing with the game now, I want no part in.
A flamethrower is doing jackshit to a modern tank dog, and even in ww2 the flames themselves werent what would foul a tank, the fumes going into the engine were Flamethrowers have always been used against soft targets or weakpoints
A flamethrower is doing jackshit to a modern tank dog, and even in ww2 the flames themselves werent what would foul a tank, the fumes going into the engine were Flamethrowers have always been used against soft targets or weakpoints in things like bunkers, you don’t just stand there in front of a tank with one spraying at it
@@stormjet814 Usually tanks weren't filled with flesh right below the armor and didn't have legs though. Raise the temperature of a charger leg high enough, the proteins inside will stop working and the charger will stop moving. Hell, it's more realistic to have the leg be the weak point instead of the back for flamethrowers, since the surface to volume ratio is so high it would be much more susceptible to being heated up while exposed to high temperature.
5:48 to add to this, they gotta add an audio queue to the bile spewers. There's no way in hell a creature that big moves around as silent as a ninja. I've literally been assassinated by them. They don't make any sounds like footsteps or any other bug noises until they get ready to vomit death all over me. That whole experience was immersion breaking
Them and chargers have ABSURD hit boxes/damage variation, I'll get hit by a charger and ragdolled and get up with 60% health, then 5 minutes later I'll get trampled to death in ZERO seconds with an energy backpack after It silently sneaks up on me, same with spewer, either hits me for a few or I watch my health at go to zero in less time then it takes to react
I remember, a while back, hearing the general concept behind the "balance" being like rock, paper, scissors, with the enemies being scissors, helldivers being paper, but the helldiver's guns being rock the enemies have all been getting bigger and sharper scissors, but the guns are all being made smaller and weaker rocks, so eventually there's a point where the rocks just don't matter against the scissors
I bought Darktide recently and its soundscape vs the soundscape in Helldivers couldn't be more night and day. Helldivers, oftentimes things spawn and you just have no idea you're about to be facing 3 chargers. Darktide? EVERY enemy special has a sound cue. Dogs howl, Mutants roar, Trappers laugh and charge their net gun with a distinct loading sound, Monsters bust through the walls with all the commotion you'd expect. The ONLY enemy that doesn't audibly make itself known MUCH is the Daemonhost, Darktide's version of the Witch from L4D, and even that has whispers you can hear and is surrounded by green fog and is VERY OBVIOUS. It is MEANT to be avoided and does an AMAZING job at conveying that by being nearly silent. ONE enemy in Darktide is quiet. Every single other thing that poses a genuine threat to you that's not just a horde enemy is OBVIOUS and it makes the game so much more reactive and fun. Even in the hardest missions with absolute chaos going on around me, I hear that Trapper net gun and I know its time to disengage from the main fight and go get that little shit. Chargers and Bile titans should be stomping and making noise, chittering and screeching. Hulks and Devastators should be clanking and talking in Cyberstani. The only enemy that you can justify being as quiet as they are in Helldivers are the Stalkers, and even they should have a "pounce" sound where they're about to get you. Why? Because its *FUN*. Darktide is also about expendable soldiers being sent to do impossible tasks, and it feels both so much more earned when you win and so much more deserved when you lose. Helldivers just feels like a dice roll of "are we getting spewers this match so that means my guns are useless? Did too many titans spawn so now we're dead?" Darktide its like, because of the audio and cues, I know what's happening in the absolute chaos and can respond to it and if we play it right, we win. In Helldivers, it just doesn't have that. Too many of XYZ and not enough ABC means you lose in Helldivers, NO MATTER how well you play.
It's crazy how detrimental playing without sound in darktide is, while in helldivers 2 i can barely hear anything other than the ost soundtrack and my own gun
To add for daemonhost. Your character will almost always do a callout for it when youre in 15 meter proximity. Like "Thats the sound of nightmares" the cadian vet says or something like that to give you an indication that DH is close, be careful. Sound design overall in HD2 is very lacking, agreed. Most guns sound like nerf guns or plastic toys, which amazes me compared to HD1 from the same devs, which had quite a few weapons sounding better.
DH has a fairly distinct praying voice lines which alerts you way before you usually see her. And if you desterb her with a stray shot or going a bit to close, she'll get up from the ground and into the air, start glowing green and yell much louder, before attacking on the next provocation. She just as well telegraphed as any other unit in the game. Oh and also if you'll come way to close to her, your screen will start covering in icing.
As you highlight - The lack of tells results in getting jumpscare killed and makes the game unfun. enemy tells create the opportunity for counterplay by giving the player awareness and decision making. Darktide, excluding audio bugs, is almost always entirely fair. Which means the player's skill has full expression. You can just keep better at the game until you can do things other players find completely impossible. Because the failure is always yours, you always have room to improve. Because the game is fair. (mostly) Helldivers needs that.
I agree with everything here. My favorite bug shooter was DRG and they exemplify what you're asking. Sound design of enemies kept them from sneaking up on you. Weapons were weird and it helped to create fun and interesting loadouts. Encounters with enemies resulted in fire fights and allowed for the individual to feel like they were a damn war god. The weirdness helped exemplify team cohesion by individuals being able to look at what others brought to the table and decide how best to compliment one another. I hope they take a better look at their game and how other horde shooters function instead of chasing whatever direction they think they should, because something needs to change. I've got nearly 700 hours into this game and with as much as I'm rage quitting, I don't think I got many more left in me.
yeah the game really doesnt put much effort in making people work together most lvl10 missions my teammates run off immediatly even tho staying together actually means less patrols to take care off then people start dying and are far away from each other and cant get their kits back and at that point you are cooked.i wish they explained their gameplay mechanics a lot more and encouraged people to work together in some way as that alone can make the game a lot easyer.
DRG literally added stalkers to the game and those have more warnings that they exist than the stalkers of HD2 do. And because DRG has a halo shield, the stalkers breaking that shield and disabling it for a few seconds make them genuinely threatening. However its balanced out by them having about as much health as a glyphid guard. They're highly dangerous and damaging enemies... but they're also extremely frail in comparison to the other enemies. DRG literally did the stalker better.
Devs are so scared of OP strategies because they think it will make the game repetitive and people will leave; So they end up nerfing everything forcing players to play the exact way "it should be played", leading to players experiencing repetitive gameplay, and then leaving the game. Its natural (and good!!) for metas to form and for some stuff to be busted (and then get boring). All they have to do is release more cool stuff to play around when players get bored with its not that hard lol.
What is your point exactly? Every warbond has new meta tools, everytime. The smallest probably being the jungle one, only the armor effect & booster were bangers, no weapon, but still. And that's without talking about the buffs, like the 120mm barrage feels damn good with -30s base cooldown, or the meta shifts like bot striders more resilient to scorcher/AC, forcing other stuff to be played again, especially railgun /AMR with the pumped up amount of Hulks in super helldive. Patch was a big W, people just whine about the flamethrower and BI without opening their eyes as to what's meta now (secondary flamer). And meta = fun for many people, so of course it sucks to have some fun removed, but that only means it's in another loadout ..
@@ipatchymakouli415 I haven't played in a while, because of both the reasons I stated above, like being forced into repetitive gameplay, as well as some of the reasons Reginald said in the video eg. running away from everything, enemies instantly calling re-reinforcements etc. The devs force you to play the way they want you to play, which is just unfun for seemingly a lot of people. Trying to force players into certain play patterns and make them use certain weapons (use x for y enemy) by nerfing anything that lets you actually fight the enemies semi head-on, just leads you to play whatever flavor of the month the devs are pushing at the time. Games are enjoyable when they're discovered, not shoved down your throat. Edit: (To directly respond to ya, my point is: the game just isn't fun to play with its current design)
"repetitive" what. Its a horde shooter? look at l4d2. One of the greatest zombie horde shooters, yeah its inflated by mods but a very large majority of these mods only change aesthetic things such as weapon models, sounds, survivor models, new missions etc yet more than 30k people still play daily, why? Because its fun as hell.
If we had 16,000 Helldivers every round, then it would be balanced. But we get 4 at a time with 5 reinforcements per soldier. Bugs and bots have 250 enemies at one time shooting you all at once and can ragdoll you... which you can't do to them. NOTHING about this game is balanced. EVERYTHING is geared towards making AI more powerful than players.. and that isn't fun.
@@JoMcD21 That's one thing that wars with the lore and narrative of the game... Super Earth DOESN'T throw Helldivers lives away as expendable recourses. They spend billions of dollars of ordinance and recourses to make as few Helldivers as possible do the most damage. That's the exact opposite!
Biggest complaint I got going into anything that challenged me months ago when I was playing was that my 'primary' weapon I wasn't primarily using. It was the stratagem weapons that I was carrying and using most of the time. The RR, AC, Flamer, etc. were all weapons that was being used most of the time and the 'primary' was what we used to conserve ammo on the stratagem weapons, while the 'secondary' was a "I'm all out of ammo on everything else, this is my desperation weapon" and melee was just there to mess with teammates.
Even stratagems aren't your real primary when shit really gets real. When that happens the thing that will remove the most amount of enemies, hands down, is running away and letting all of the shit despawn.
Funnily enough they said that they don’t want primaries to be your primary weapon and that they actually balance the game around support weapons and stratagems
@@neoramaredzone8544 And they do a shit job at that since almost all the support weapons are more anti infantry (that are primaries can handle) and the ones that are anti-tank are either gated by long call ins of 1 min+ or have long tedious reloads unless you convince someone to be your reload bitch and stand there next to you. Even then you dont have enough ammo to deal with all the spewers, chargers, impalers, and bile titans the game throws at you at once. This also doesnt factor in all the modifiers (i.e. penalties) that directly prevent or impede your strategems from being effective. This devs are terrible, AH literally makes the Overwatch balance team look competent and thats not good.
On bugs the primary works alright, but on bots I'm using the railgun on 95% of enemys, its still good on investors and hulks, but my rifle or shotgun does dog shit damage
slugs aren't really accurate, rifled slugs are, look up any gun nut youtuber shooting them, but they should 100% stagger, I mean it's a 14mm wide ball of lead it'd have the weight
Spread is Minute of Angle. The slugger fires a very slow, very heavy projectile, so it’s going to have more dispersion (the term they should be using for clarity) than a rifle firing super sonic FMJ.
Space Marines 2 is nothing like Helldivers to be a replacement, the fun of Helldivers missions is how open they are, with secondaries objectives etc. Space Marine 2 is much more similar to Darktide, linear missions, and much more about melee than stratagems.
@@namea7270 Ayo I'm probably gonna get space marine 2 if the reviews look good on it. I just don't pre-order nothin' anymore... Tired of getting scammed lmao.
You are at a restaurant, eating a deliciously juicy cheese burger, when the manager walks up to your table. You smile at him, because you are thoroughly enjoying your burger. He smiles at you. The burger is taken from your buttery hands, the bun is peeled off gingerly, and the cheese is scraped with a knife. The manager states that practically 30% of their burgers are ordered with cheese, and it's a problem. Is it a big problem? He doesn't know, but he's come to fix it for you. In place of the cheese he spreads a thick layer of some kind of greenish brown paste, replaces the bun, and gently slides the burger into your hands. "A burger for everyone is a burger for no one" he says with a smile, "We are so glad you care about our burgers and will strive every day to earn your buck." As he walks away, your bewilderment only grows... the... thing in your hands now smells sharply of pig shit and you think something is MOVING in that freshly applied paste. So what is next? Do you take another bite? These days I wish that if a developer reserves the right to change a product after it has been purchased, the customer should be allowed to reserve the right to instantaneous no-questions-asked refund. I payed for a cheeseburger, not swine scat. Yet, there is no way for me to go back to my cheeseburger and I'm stuck with this awful feeling in my stomach.
Arrowheads are too far up their own asses too understand what is happening right now. Why is it so important to them that our guns behave "realistically", in a game that is CLEARLY not meant to be taken seriously. Seems to me like AH is more proud when the computer is winning than when players are winning. Back when fire tornados were introduced, I was running around a solo extraction dodging 3 fire tornados during an infinite bug breach on level 5. The game froze for a split second while FIVE MORE fire tornados spawned off screen right on top of the pelican. I died and typed F*** YOU JOEL in the chat window and turned off the game. Since then, EVERY time I play the game I'm an agro magnet. Ngl, I think AH is laughing at us all the way to the bank, and I'd like to fight them hand to hand and take my money back from their pockets.
i’m a BIG fan of helldivers, but i can’t take it anymore man 😭 they need to make EVERYTHING more effective, they called it “escalation of freedom” and i feel like i just get killed by everything i don’t run away from! that’s not spreading freedom, that’s cowardice
hit the nail on the head the helldiver lacks lethality while the enemies have more to spare, it would honestly be more fun spawning as a hunter to insta gib helldivers while dying on repeat than to be the helldiver in that exact same scenario. Somehow the devs find this their grand vision and I think a big tell on this is Joel's role, the fact that he is the center fo attention as the enemy shows that the devs care little for how the player feels and they wanna feel good killing the player. I think helldivers 2 is the embodiment of making a game for yourself and no one else, and I don't see how this changes. Their company motto is literally a game for all is a game for none, on the flip side a game for one is a game for none. If a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound.
It feels like they have a vision where HD2 is meant to be super gritty. It really leans into missions being literal "Helldives" and Helldivers just barely succeeding against overwhelming odds. What they kind of forget is that at the end of the day, it's a game, and games live on being fun to play.
The problem I see is that all those changes we need to make the game fun again and balanced in its own way, would require a complete change from AH, not just "oh we are sorry you dont like this one change, we will take a look at it again, thanks for you feedback.", they are STILL nerfing weapons based on popularity instead of asking themselves: why are 95% of the players using the same 3 guns. Or why everyone is taking the grenade pistol. I really thought we got over this months ago, pretty sure there are post from Pilestedt agreeing that popularity is a bad metric and that they should indeed bring all other weapons up before nerfing the only good ones. If you want to have fun and feel powerfull even in helldive you gotta bring the best tool for the job, they are still slowly taking away the best tools each patch and then wonder why we arent happy with the butterknife thats left. And then there is those weird nerfs like flamethrower where I am like: "Who green lit this????" I wish they did more with planet types, biomes and mission types. Have fire damage break armor faster on ice planets (fast heat change -> cracking) but fire duration be reduced due to low temp, on flip side have fires burn much longer on hot planets but do less armor dmg (heat resistance). Be creative with additional biomes (metal dust planet that buffs arc weapons in some way, poisen gas planet with gas clouds/wells that when mixed with our gas stuff reacts for an even deadlier one, enviromental factors that can kill us but when used tactically can massively help with enemies, true smoke planets where you and enemies can't see more than a few meter and everything becomes melee combat, idk be creative instead of nerfing shit because "oh look, user data spreadsheet says this is too op" ) If they really want to do spreadsheet balancing, they should make an extensive testing tool that allows you to spawn each enemy type stationary and then test each weapon for: - weakpoint shots to kill - normal shots to kill - average shots to kill - average kills per mag - average kills per gun - time to kill (only interesting for things that don't die one shot) - time to empty mag by killing - time to empty gun by killing - for weapons with aoe, do an aoe test - for energy based weapons add an additional stat for with overheat+reload and max heat+cool down Do this for all weapons and all enemy types and you have a solid base on what each gun is best at and at what they suck at, from there you can now adjust parameters and see if the result is what you want and if it impacts something else you didnt expect to get hit from it. A small damage nerf can have drastic changes for one enemy type when suddenly you need 2 instead of 1 or 3 instead of 2 hits, so although it can be less than 5% change it can result in a 50%-33% nerf towards a certain enemy, this table would show exactly things like this. For all I care, just put the testing range into the game, and let the players do the testing. Just one weapon and one enemy type with different enemy formations to mow through (cricle, half circle, square, close, far away, whatever really), and then record all the stats above, and make a leaderboard for most of them like (headshot, total kills, time needed, etc). You get a huge dataset of average gun performance and peak gun performance, and the community gets something fun to do and be competetive about besides just grinding the same missions over and over.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I have a hard time coming back after it was nerfed... do you think the game will ever become like it was on launch? It seems the devs only ever want to nerf kit, never make it all equally good.
What bothers me the most is that THIS is the SEQUEL to the first Helldivers. They've already done it right once. At first, I couldn't help but gush at everything that paid homage to its predecessor, but the fresh coat of paint has slowly given way to a malformed and mishandled version of the game which I can only assume was built by people who don't quite understand Helldivers 1. I am fully aware that the entire game had to be adapted to a completely different project of massive proportions, but the execution in some key areas is poor, and Arrowhead has been stumbling through patches ever since launch with inadequate awareness and testing of the impacts. Keep in mind, I don't work at Arrowhead, so I have no idea what is going on in there. All I know is the results that they give us. And they're not too great as of late. One thing I never see people talk about is the hellpods. They accidentally ruin flamethrowers for the sake of "realistic" flame effects, but I STILL can't kill a charger with my perfectly placed gigantic orbital bullet of a resupply pod that I aimed oh so carefully. (Enter tiny orbital precision strike). The Element of Supplies is a fun achievement carried over from the first game, but the new Hellpods are just pipe cleaners against anything other than a Helldiver. The existence of the achievement proves that they didn't just forget about hellpod lethality, but intentionally removed it. Not to mention, you COULD land on tanks and kill them before, but I haven't been able to do that in a while. First Galactic War Hellpods would delete anything you dropped them on (save for the bosses), and it was balanced because it costed you a Stratagem drop. We used to throw our friends at the scary enemies in front of us, but now your Hellpod is better steered away to preserve your paltry life count. This nerf to such a core aspect is deliberately unrealistic and spits in the face of the first game. And this is not the only instance of this. Reinforce clutches? Have a team-wide life count and two minute cooldown instead. Have fun carrying your dead team on your back for that cooldown, alone, as we send in a limitless amount of bad guys to your exact location because they know where to find you. And then we'll give you ONE teammate back at a time. And dying mattered in the first game. Yes, you had infinite lives, but to be dead meant one less Helldiver on the ground. One who could provide support, cover-fire, and most importantly, reinforce the team. Because when the last man fell, the mission ended in failure. You NEEDED TO KNOW the Reinforce code like the buttons on your controller, because speed and accuracy was the only thing preventing mission failure. Yes, dying matters in the sequel, because one less Reinforce charge leaves you closer to the cooldown. But more often than not, I don't care about the life-count until it's low because I'm too focused on not dying to something stupid and having to inconvenience myself with picking up all of my gear. That's what death feels like in the sequel, an inconvenience until the cooldown hits and the Super Destroyer leaves. Then you are ill-prepared for the monumental feat that is surviving a game that is against you in many frustrating ways. No you can't stim while being juggled in the air. No you can't stim until you get up. Sorry, that last laser finished you off. Oh, the ground is so undemocratic that it negates my Democracy Protects. But wait, there's more. Resupplies? Lets make that a team-wide stratagem that you can't bring extras of or not at all. I thought they wanted to give us more choices, not less? Stratagem stacking? Oh no we DEFINITELY can't have that. We'll only acknowledge it's existence enough to remove it, because it's too OP to bring four of the same thing. It's not like you pay for it with less versatility or anything. Upgrading stratagems directly? Nah, we decided we want to give you one extra bomb in your already high count bomb runs, because one extra cluster is guaranteed to kill the 8 dudes who just ate all of it and more. Isn't that so much better than being able to make it anti-tank or reduce call-in time or anything meaningful? To be fair, most of the upgrades are good (like +1 extra eagle uses). But that one is just a joke. And also I still can't directly upgrade my Stratagems and weapons. Easy to use support packs? How about you do the mount-dismount dance on your buddy instead. You don't need a reload right this second, do you? A Lift-850 that runs on fuel? Hell no, we spent 100 years devolving it into the Jump Pack with a painfully long cooldown, because we can't give you actual mobility. We're too busy trying to take it away with MORE ROCKETS. Interesting new or old enemies? MORE ROCKETS! (Also Impaler, credit where it's due) Booster choices? No, we'd rather make your alternatives so weak that all you can do is run the main ones. 1-4 extra reinforces is an equal tradeoff to Vitality or Hellpod Space Optimization. Talk about not wanting us to funnel into the same gear. Did Arrowhead forget about boosters over in the balance department? And since I can't keep my hands off of this post, let's talk about Stims. In the first game, you had a big healthbar split in two. Once you dropped below half, you were downed and had five options: 1. Fire your secondary to defend yourself 2. Throw grenades 3. Call in Stratagems 4. Spam X to get back up 5. Crawl to a teammate so they could pick you up There were no Stims. No personal healing items. So how did we veterans survive combat in the First Galactic War without our power drugs? Simple, we didn't need them. You never needed to eat Rocket spam or survive 20 Hunters all lunging at the same time. You were never THAT doomed. So what does this have to do with Stims? I believe they are a glorified band-aid crutch both figuratively and literally, and for both the players and Arrowhead. They enable one to survive most anything non-fatal, effectively making you near invincible whilst active. They allow you to make mistakes, because all you have to do is shove some juice into your neck and it's all better. And on the flip-side, it allows and requires the enemies to be more offensive and lethal, because they either need to drain your Stim count or blow you off the face of the planet to kill you. Thus, you must eat Stims like candy or succumb to the un-limited Rockets, Lasers, Hunters or Shriekers or that one Stalker who thinks he's the main character because Arrowhead why did you think your little acid spit and run guy needed to get an Elucidator in one hand and a Dark Repulsor in the other? If you took away Stims and replaced them with a passive regeneration, many Helldivers would not survive high difficulty missions, let-alone complete them. One bad move and the Rockets fly. Too stressed to outmaneuver the Hunters and they jump you. Far enough away from the waterfall of bug puke visually but not enough to escape it's far reaching Fascism, which engulfs you and reduces your body, armor and all into a puddle of acid. Stims were a very dangerous design choice that needed to be handled with the utmost care, and unfortunately, the game and it's players are now addicted to it, contrary to what Permacura says. One does not simply "fix the game." There are good reasons that the sequel can't replace the original, and it's not just because we can't all scream at the same screen. Helldivers is at it's best with a full party on the highest achievable difficulty. And Helldivers 1 is laughably nightmarish, but miraculously possible. The enemies could so easily overwhelm you, but you never felt utterly helpless, because your weaponry was just enough to hold them back, and until the last man fell, your victory was inevitable. Even when things went from bad to worse to literal Hell, you couldn't help but laugh and scream anxiously at the hopeless situation as you fought tooth and nail to survive, because dying mattered. Helldivers 2 is just helplessly impossible due to the unrealistically weak weaponry leaving you ill-equipped to deal with the constant Hell that is patrol and reinforcement spam multiplied by player nerfing attacks like rockets and acid all so that they can chew through you before you are allowed to Stim. The major differences between the games boil down to control: In every conflict of the First Galactic War, Helldivers have near-complete control over themselves (looking at you "can't jump"). Rarely did one find themselves in a situation where they couldn't at least do something to help the team, even as a last stand. Death was an inevitably caused only by a series of unfortunate mistakes. Every conflict of the Second Galactic War is best avoided, because control is very difficult to keep a firm grasp on. To be ragdolled is a death sentence, and not the one where you can fight back. To be stuck in or under anything is death. To have your Eagle kill 5 of the endless horde in front of you is a waste better avoided by doing it yourself. And if you aren't running, it's because you have no legs to run on. Most Helldivers die in an uncontrollably inescapable situation. I love both games and I still play the sequel. For all of its bugs and disfigured features, it is still a very fun experience if one chooses to accept everything as difficulty and works around it. What I don't understand is how they have such a great reference and an already awesome game and all they can do is take away what identifies it. Holy Hell this comment is nearing the length of a video essay script.
Hellpods still work on hulks. I think it got harder. Tanks it very rarely works on and I’m not sure about chargers but I think it can open their back armor.
I also like to compare the weapons in HD1 and 2. Most weapons packed some MAJOR punch in 1 and most anti tank was able to 1 shot basically everything reliably. The recoilless rifle in 2 is a joke compared to the first, also things like the tumbler, tox, C4 etc were very good but not OP since you definitely needed them for higher level missions and almost all of them felt GOOD to use
I like the changes on how you unlock it, i played helldivers past his prime and it sucks to have to do missions on a game that is always on "protect superearth" But you are absolutely right on in the stacking part, i tried to use both exo suits and i felt so betreyed that i could use only one and the cooldown is horrible compared to the amount of bullets you get, the resupplies i think it fits the coop even thou it can be annoying if the team don't work together and call supplys all the time and leave you empty
I really dislike that their weapon balancing is simply just nerf the guns that work well and don’t buff anything else. As of now, most ARs are hot garbage. They’re supposed to be for getting rid of the small enemies, but with such low magazine sizes and only having a few mags, you run out of ammo after 1 minute of fighting a singly bug breach or drop ship. The and we shouldn’t just be, “use the stratagems”, because then what’s the point of having the AR then if using stratagems is the only viable answer for fighting the horde of smaller enemies?
It's crazy. The patch actually did come with some fairly neat changes to things and strategems, but all of that is overshadowed completely by AH's inability to leave good stuff unfucked with. 7 and 8 is the hold ground and have fun fighting difficulty, but they want to force the run away meta of 9 and 10 onto lower difficulties. Just, why?
Why are you all so salty over these tiny nerfs? The IB still has the same dmg and ability to hit everything a mile away with your eyes closed Its a dot weapon with weak pellets and yet everyone empties their clip into anything that moves The flamer still takes out chargers from the front and still burns bugs and bots alike as usual Everyone complains about how the fire looks now which is fine if they dont but you really want me to believe to suddenly care what the fire looks like?
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062I guess people want to be able to both tap fire for pretty much the best horde clear in the game, AND mag dump to continously dps heavies
@@peterstedman6140 i know its random but do you feel its time AH changes the amount of armor and durability? I feel that is the main obstacle to primaries having weight on our power budget The fire breaker can pop a charger's weak point in one clip but most primaries cant. How much resistance do weak points truly need? It feels like sacrilege but maybe its time we start questioning this topic
I think just about the last thing you said is the biggest problem. High level games are pandemonium and the only way to really win them is to play super conservatively and know when not to pick fights - which isn't fun. Particularly it's not fun because when you know what you're doing it's not really all that challenging most of the time unless you really get pinched. But even though people can play lower level missions where you can push and can take all the fights you want, and not have to deal with the big elites, they don't for whatever reason, there's like a psychological refusal for it. Or it's because it's become boring because it's easy.
Super Samples. After a certain point, playing anything under D6 is just directly stopping your progression. I just finished a D6 with 3 lvl 15's, I'm lvl 76 and D6 is where I hang mostly, and they aren;t the first lvl 15s I've seen here by far. They'll be trying to farm D9 in no time hopin to farm Super Samples faster.
I think the lower levels just get boring after a while but it seems to me the issue there, after some reflection, is that the gameplay radically shifts from difficulty 6-7 to 9-10. The game you were playing gets deleted and you're suddenly playing a different one. That's not good progression. Good progression adds complexity, it doesn't remove tools.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I think we're dancing around an idea though, which is more variance in high level games. I think the big problem is having your kit constricted to I need a 500kg to one tap a BT and I need eats or an equivalent and now I have maybe two-ish flex slots but something needs to kill tanks otherwise I'm SOFT LOCKED. The difference between hd2 and DT for instance is in darktide you can kind of get yourself out of a sticky situation without entirely relying on luck (sometimes a net does just get you dirty). All that said I don't think they need to increase damage or effectiveness of guns. I think they need to A) give you a hint at what you're fighting in the matchup so you can counter pick and B) possibly along with the first thing make it so you can choose to fight as many hordes of weaker mobs as you can. and C) implement a very complex mêlée system
I agree with all of this, yet still have no faith they will make lasting change for the better. Key phrase there... Lasting change. I'm sure they will make a small buff patch soon after backlash, but I believe they'll be back with more nerfs as this has been their pattern.
Using a fully automatic shotgun with basically Dragonsbreath was my ultimate American finds himself in Starship Troopers fantasy. I don’t have that anymore.
@@DestronGaming1213It's an unnecessary change for a problem that didn't exist and wasn't solved. People are still gonna use it, it's just a little bit worse now, so what was the point even?
One thing I think needs to be changed is how patrols work. As Reginald said there's no much point in engaging bases around the map that don't have an objective in them because they just increase the random spawn density on the map for no benefit. I think enemy bases should be the primary source of enemy presence on the map, and taking them out directly reduces the enemy's ability to generate new patrols. To keep things interesting maybe the dropship/bug hole cooldown timer decreases and the duration increases as bases are destroyed. That way you can clear sections of the map to make maneuvering easier but if you mess up and let reinforcements get called you're in for a hell of a fight (assuming Reginald's suggestions of actually being able to beat the ensuing waves of enemies are implemented).
I would love enemy bases being more meaningful. Right now they just produce like 1 guy every minute and he waddles to map center. They also replace dead guards really fast which is its own issue.
AFAIK that's already the case. Enemy bases serves as an origin point for enemy patrols, so by removing them, you're making your life easier when you complete the mission and patrol spawn rate spikes. I have bigger problem that you generally don't have to interact with enemy base, since one 380 thrown from afar is usually enough to clear even megabases now.
Two things: If you make the game "easier" by having more lower enemies, that would naturally encourage the lower difficulty playing players to try harder difficulties, leading to natural progression, while also making player feel powerful The idea of armor and durable damage and what not, extra stats they have for weapon which are NOT shown to the players, is imho the worst decision that they made, not only does it create confusion, but it makes you feel cheated, resulting to "why the f**k does this weapon exist". Information is key for the understanding and lack of, leads to the feeling we have right now.
I like the fantasy of having to use all of your shit to effectively fight the enemy (and I mean completely use all of your ammo, stratagems, and grenades). I think Helldivers achieves that most of the time for me where I feel like I'm having to play optimally to barely survive--which I think is good. BUT, I think the form that barely surviving takes is often unsatisfactory. I want to barely survive as in "I used all the tools at my disposal to hold onto the objective just by the skin of my teeth," and not as in "I used all the tools at my disposal to kill 2-3 bile titans but now there are 2 more and I'm out of shit for 180 seconds." I like that enemies pose a threat and are hard to kill but that's only as fun for as long as I CAN kill them. I feel like I'm properly engaged while fighting, but taking fights often necessitates running away in the middle of them. So I fight, feel good, run away, do nothing till cooldowns refresh and ammo is restocked, reengage, repeat. It would be nice to feel like I could reliably finish a prolonged fight on top with the tools at my disposal. But a long fight is almost always a losing fight. I think one of the biggest issues to me is that some weak spots don't feel weak. Bots do this mostly ok where a few shots to a vent or a hulk's eye take them down in a reasonable amount of shots. But on bugs I can throw an impact in a bile titans fucking mouth while it's spitting at me and it doesn't even flinch lol. A bile titan only falls over if you put two eats and a nuke in its mouth, and that's just not sustainable if there are more than 2 in an area. I think they could implement the damage buffs proposed in this video by just making weak spots take more damage. Have cracked armor actually matter, let some primaries do appreciable damage to a hulk's eye, maybe let a well placed rocket down a bile titan's esophagus blow the whole thing up from the inside, or give us some more soft squishy parts or exposed wires to shoot with primaries. I want good Helldivers chaos, but I want to be able to carve a path through it with the right amount of knowledge and some well placed air strikes. As is, even if I play well--or perfectly--I don't have enough firepower to kill everything that comes at an objective on higher levels. Running away shouldn't be a near-necessity in all fights longer than 3-4 minutes. I like your 70% number for fights you should feel reasonably confident in winning--even if there's a drop.
I would love to see a system in Helldivers 2 where killing hordes of enemies actually impacts the outcome of the war. Currently, the recovery system of the planets feels stagnant and uninspiring, as it’s primarily dependent on completing missions. Enemy numbers and kill counts often don’t matter, which discourages engaging in combat and encourages players to simply run away. This approach can be frustrating for those who prefer a more action-oriented playstyle and enjoy battling the enemy hordes. My suggestion is to introduce a planetary kill counter. For example, the enemy could start with a set number of troops-say, one million-to defend or attack a planet. If players inflict significant casualties, the enemy’s ability to defend the planet would be severely compromised, and the planet’s recovery progress would take a major hit, potentially even dropping to zero. However, the system wouldn’t stop there. Enemies could launch reinforcement missions via supply lines to replenish their numbers, thereby boosting the planet’s recovery once again. This dynamic would add depth to the gameplay, making every kill count and giving more importance to the ongoing battle beyond just completing missions.
Without watching the video, I think honestly the fact we keep having to negotiate IS the fucking problem. We move from niche to niche, strategy to strategy in an never ending attempt to escape the nerfbat. I've already played games like that. The only way to stop it is just to stop playing. ESO, a MMO with this problem finally broke after they realized they just couldn't survive another mass exodus. This game I don't think will be in a position to survive the slow bleed it's generating.
100% devs are so scared of the game being "ruined" by a new strategy that they force their players to play in the *exact* way the devs "think it should be played" leading players to leave and find something actually fun to play. Its awful in games like ESO because of the time investment in making a build only to have it nerfed into uselessness, when they should just make cool new builds/strategies (kinda like warframe) viable so players have something else to work towards.
@@YikesMb ESO however managed to stop after there were mass exoduses. At this point, it's geting to the point where it seems like this game will end up with a small but dedicated fanbase: If not because that's what they want, it's because that will force them not to piss them off.
@@xXGCB38Xx Slightly. They haven't done anything major, since High Isle and Firesong. That exodus clearly scared the living daylights out of them. Hell, they're trying to suck up to Raiders given the quakecon stream had commentated speedruns of the latest trial. If you're interested in coming back, it's been about two years without major fuckery. Lucent citadel is a compitent trial if nowhere near the top of the difficulty tree. Keep in mind they also had to tone down content drops, so we get one dungeon DLC and one chapter per year.
Whats funny is, the game DID have some mechnical depth. Mantling out of bug holes was an interesting skill based way to maneuver around enemies. Butv ofcourse, that got removed very early in the games life.
@@theravenousrabbit3671 true. I still dont understand why they dont make stratigems sticky. I even remember the number of times I've wanted to put my stratagem on an enemy or objective only for it to bounce and land somewhere else. a "cool" thing you could and can still do, is put support weapon stratigems on chargers, which track onto the charger itself. Often times it deals big damage or kills the charger too. But its not consistent because its probably not an "intended" interaction.
@@Psion_Phoenix sticking to chargers isnt intended though. Also the supply pod doesnt follow the charger if it sticks onto it last time I tried. You have to throw it, and lead the charger to where it drops. The stun grenade it in place. It doesnt one shot if it hits the body though.
If they want the game to highlight the horror of the situation, why not just....make the game scarier?, imagine disembowling a titan and haveing it still lumber at you, have your diver have even crazier voice lines, they have them, but my character tends to move on and go back to "hell yeah, fuck bugs" have them genuinely lose their mind, start shaking, their rapid breaths, winces of pain, heart beating through their chest, mixing with the sound track and playing in our ears, as you the player force their body to just keep moving forward, idol animations playing, lets say when you stop they put their hands on their knees to catch their breath, until you put in another input, head hanging low, just trying desperately to pull air through their helmets filters, add new crouching and laying down idols aswell, during quiet moments have our diver maybe cry for a moment breaking down before pulling themself back together, and more battle damage, completely cosmetic, but scratches, missing bits of armor, torn fabric would go a long way to showing how horrible this all is, while keeping the players fun intact, you can let us be a badass without making it a power fantasy
And it would turn off most people from the game too. It's a neat idea for an atmospheric game about the horror of war and ptsd of course, but absolutely impossible to implement in a multi-player game that asks its players to play it for months on end Like, unless you're completely desensitized it would end up taking a toll on most people's enthusiasm for the game
It's becoming more and more apparent that there is an internal disconnect inside Arrowhead, between the game designers (the ones who come up with and create content for the game) and the final pass and balance team not to mention the disconnect with the players, while yes they obviously have a vision for the game it feels alot of the time their vision is in direct oppoistion to what the players want. I mean I would seriously love to hear the thought process behind creating a flame weapon themed warbond and 2 days before it's release completely rework and nerf flamebased weaponary to the point of uselessness. Also something that I feel no one is really talking about but it very much stuck out to me. Did you not think, especially with the wording used in the preview trailer for Esclalation of Freedom "have we told you everything ? of course not" and "there are going to be many more surprises in Escalation of Freedom", that we were going to get more ? I honestly thought this was going to be the equivelent of the Helldivers Mobilize warbond or the release of a bunch of stratagems or something. Don't get me wrong the new content is good and very much needed, but I'm still waiting for the "surprises". However credit where credits due, setting up the feedback form for the people in the community to voice their opinons is an amazing thing to do and something that hardly any dev teams do, they are trying to listen to us and take on our feed back, unlike the Darktide team Fatshark... who wrote a post to us saying they are going on their summer holidays and not to bother them...
If I have to guess, the surprises might be illuminate, we already have leaked voicelines mentioning them and the war is at a point where we are fighting on both the bots and bugs for the MO
My requirement to primary weapons are: 1) explosive and/or medium penetration; 2) staggers enemies; 3) can oneshot basic enemies in a body; If it lacks any of this, for me they are unplayable in a curent state of the game. That is why I can't play with any assault rifle and SMG. Even Incendiary Breaker is not satisfying enough
yeah, they either need to make the ARs have 60 rounds and a quicker reload, or up their damage so you don't spend a third of a mag on light enemies, hell the new flamethrower primary takes a third of a tank to kill one hunter, i and since it's such short range I just punch them because that's quicker
@@ghoulzi2127 yep, I use Blitzer against bugs quite a lot. Wide range stagger allow for a good crowd control for a primary and turns spewers into a joke (even one "pellet" can cancel their vomit), but at the same time in can oneshot hunters if all five "pellets" hit them
Honestly thank you for making this video, it's beyond refreshing to hear someone put forward suggestions for fixes for the game's issues rather than just posting an unconstructive rant. I really think you're right on the money with some of the changes you've suggested.
Its always my goal to focus on what would make things better. I did have to rant to explain why change is needed but my real purpose here was definitely to make some solid suggestions.
Thank you Reginald for making easily one of the best videos on this topic. I love this game to death and I want it to succeed but the community is so negative it makes me not want to play anymore sometimes. Your actual constructive feedback and suggestions are perfect and something other people need to learn from and it keeps me hopeful in this game moving forward. Keep up the incredible work.
@Reginald-sc9tk, I am among those who still love this game and hopes it stands the test of time. ❤ Thank you for still being here and for it all. We still are.
You took the words right out of my mouth, I recently blocked both of the helldivers subreddits because the nonstop unconstructive screaming was killing my desire to play the game. Right now I honestly can't help but feel the negativity in the community is doing more harm to the game that Arrowhead's goofy decisions.
My goal is always to aim at solid advice for how to improve things. I have my gripes but mostly I just wanted to create a strong arguement for why the changes need to be made, rather than just complain a bunch.
People that spent and continue to spend money in the game shouldn't speak their mind. 🙄 The devs wish they could have a fan base of loyal boot shiners.
I agree with what you said about how you feel playing this game: helpless. I've said this before and I'll say it again, they also need to STOP taking away our mag count. Current military basic combat loads are 6 mags. 6 MAGS AT LEAST. I refuse to believe battle-hardened space Soldiers will bring less than 6 mags to an environment that we see is getting more and more dicey.
this is probably one of the more well thought out ideas to me. i feel they should limit how much elites there are while each elite doesn't truly 'disappear' until x seconds later with higher difficulties lessening the time.
I’ve defended the game and devs and tried to work with nerds and enemy buffs. I gotta say I love the game but you’ve nailed it. The fun is being rinsed from the game at an epic rate. I glad you are nailing the issues and making good suggestions
I've been playing it since a few days after it launched and I agree with everything you said. The latest patch is awful and ive run into multiple code bugs already and game crashes. One bug was the Hulk's flamer firing through solid cover (enormous boulders in this case and just cooking me). Another is still present whereby shots do not line up with your crosshairs - hit boxes are all over the place. And that really does mean the difference between you pacifying an area to complete an objective easily, or your shot just not hitting and the bots/bugs letting of their signal for mass reinforcements to arrive in less than 10 seconds which screws up your whole plan. I'm tired of the bugs heavy chargers having the agility of a cat where before it was more akin to a charging rhino. The 500lbs bomb is just a puff to the enemies if it isnt a direct hit, the results are far too inconsistent. Then theres the insta-spawns right at your feet where the enemy just pancakes you amongst other things. Weapon nerf is growing really tiresome when all of our enemies are tank types who sponge up all of your shots and utilise mass wave attacks. The rot started when the devs nerfed the railgun - its a railgun, how could it possibly be nerfed? Its a RAILGUN. The whole idea is that is stupidily OP and thats fine when a either a single player or a team of four have to content with literally hundreds of armoured enemies. The only way ive found to be somewhat effective at level 8 diff and above is to stay with utilising combined arms warfare (which makes sense anyway), but even that now just isnt enough and the fun aspect of it all is going dry for me. Worse to come, the devs have given the bots mechanised MRLS which means they'll be vacuum bombing the living crap out of us as well. In summary, its gotten tiring because the enemies have a vast spectrum of overkill units for multiple scenarios and we dont: Bots - -Persistent on station air cover from their gunships. - Two tank variants. - MRLS. - Hulks (heavy armoured) - Chainsaw Chargers with hand canons (medium armoured) - Walkers with heavier canons and now missiles attached to them (medium armoured). - Jumpers that eliminate all distance ans cover between you and their advancing hordes. They also blow up in your face if critically damaged. - Double bladed bots that just charge at you and slice you up/stab you to death. - Heavy machine guns on heavy armoured units behind massive metal shields. - Similar units, no shield but mounted rapid fire missile systems on their shoulders and machine guns on their arms. - Two types of grunts, both equipped with automatic rifles and both of which can operate stationary machine gun emplacements. Bugs - list of their capabilities especially after the patch is too long, im not going to bother 😒 Helldivers: - Rifles that use half a magazine of ammunition just to kill one or two enemies. - Orbital ships with fighter aircraft yet we cannot main air superiority. Makes no sense what so ever 😮💨 we need a new strategem that can give us air assets that provide us air cover for a few minutes. - Restricting ammuntion a bit too much, again makes no sense. - weapons that are rountinely nerfed when our enemies totally outnumber us, have better armour than us, completely outgun/outclass us, and all focus on mass wave attacks.... - weapons that dont actually hit the target in the crosshairs. - armour and clothing that catches on fire at the sligjtest ember. Even the new stuff they just released, you're just able to burn FOR LONGER as opposed to not burning at all for a certain duration. Makes no sense at all. - our stagger is not a stagger at all but a total ragdoll and we can hardly do the same to our enemies without the use of heavy weaponry/strategems and even then its sporadic at best. Im getting bored of typing now. 😒
I completely agree with all of your points, I've been playing since launch and have to force myself to try and not play the game but it always felt like AH didn't want the game to be too fun. The Crossbow and Eruptor are great examples of this where their intrinsic traits were neutered because some reason. They try to make the game balanced by throwing off the balancing and reducing viable options to force us to use bad ones. They have no idea how to balance a weapon around their intrinsic traits because the Liberator Concussive lost half of it's rpm from base and their solution was to increase the damage which isn't what they did when translating the Defender into the Pummeler. The Plasma Punisher had a unique skill ceiling that made it interesting from other weapons and instead of leaning into that AH increases the projectile velocity instead of rewarding skilled players. Any weapon that is bolt action is at a disadvantage out the gate because it is better to just reload them before you are empty which the game discourages. For some reason the best armor to run against the bugs is explosive resist armor because bile and spew is explosive damage for some reason. Why don't I get a mission modifier for when I am only going to get Bile Spewers, the whole map would light up green and they have medium armor so I have to build my loadout because I might have a chance of getting all Bile Spewers, and on top of that, why can't I see a few Bile Spewers without having them be the only spawn do the bugs not understand what a support role is?
I agree with all of this video. The amount of chargers, bile titans and other elite heavy bugs that show up on and each require a specific amount of AT hits in very select spots as they run or move across the map heads bobbing side to side so you miss is overwhelming. It's coming down to ok use the quasar, shoot the bile titan in the head, it missed just enough to not count as a headshot, run as it cools down. As it cools down you get rolled by the chargers or bile spitters that make no noise. Ok survived just enough to use the quasar again, annnnnd the bile titan takes it to the face but it needs 1-2 more shots to the face as you get rolled or just run laps until the cool down is done. Rinse and repeat for 40 minutes.
I want a change on 500KG, though really powerful, it's aoe is questionably small. If it’s me, I will make it orbital (so it can only have one use even with upgradd), make the explosion really really big and has shockwave that push you to the ground. And it will have diabolical cooldown and droptime that every time you drop 500KG it will be a spectacle. And I agree on the visual and audio cues part, I can’t count how many times I died because a charger snuck up on me and crushed me. I think the only enemy that should be allowed to do this is stalker, but put an audio before they attack or something. I think this is why I prefer fighting bots, and still I have a lot of problems with unseen missiles. Please, make everything have distinct noise.
I agree, at least mostly. Less ragdolls would be nice, especially on stalkers. They ragdoll and stun you for so long that its effectively a stun-lock. They block any shots to their face with their claws too so they just don't die. Even when you do finally land hits, they go invisible and regen all their hp. Stalker Rant over. All the new enemies, except the alpha warrior, that were added in escalation of freedom ragdoll you. Impalers ragdoll you whether or not their tentacles hit. Missile tanks basically always one tap you, but if they don't you get ragdolled and throw into a wall and die from the impact. Alpha commanders have their charge. Rocket scouts are the least offensive of them all, but they do as well. General ragdolls are just too common and overtuned and there are lots of just stun locks when they do hit you. Less big enemies and more hordes is a good idea. Part of the reason heavy armors can just suck so hard is all the big enemies just run you over no matter your armor value. You can't get away from the 20 heavy enemies. You seem to have to dedicate at least half your stratagems to anti-tank to stand a chance but its often still not enough, so 3 slots is basically what is required. While I do think the breaker incendiary nerf wasn't really that bad, its partially because it never affected big enemies anyways so its nerf changed almost nothing. More interesting small enemies would also be very nice to fight, alpha warriors are a good step in that direction all though them being faster than most armors is probably a bad thing. Holding your ground being viable would be nice. Less ragdolls would help this as you wouldn't get throw 50 meters by one stalker smacking you through a wall. (Ha, I'm still ranting about stalkers). Less big enemies would also help this. Something like giving the hmg emplacement a shield like the ones bots have on their emplacements could help. General tankiness increase for mechs would also help with this. Heavy armor truly feeling heavier and allow you to take shots would assist this. I don't actually mind how effective any weapon we currently have is against any single enemy. I view the balance of the primaries as okay, until anything big shows up. Secondaries having basically the same firepower as primaries but just having less ammo is also kind of weird. Support weapons do actually seem to provide support at this point. They end up just being the primary. That's fine with something like the stalwart or autocannon which both actually feel like they were more meant to be bigger primaries, but this applies to all of them including the spear or recoilless. I will also just say, I feel like part of the overly negative sentament of the player is people who don't vary their loadouts at all. I've met some who still use nothing but the quasar for their support weapon and constantly complain about the one nerf it got. It would be nice if more people varied their loadouts more and maybe making more small enemies and less big enemies would help. It was state that the reason the eruptor shrapnel was removed was it randomly one shotting team mates, which was not fun I will say. Getting killed because my team mate shot something even remotely close to me was not fun. I hope they bring back the shrapnel eventually once they can make that not happen. I am also of the belief that the flamethrower change was very much an engine restriction to prevent the torcher and crisper from killing heavy enemies. I hope they figure out a way to buff the flamethrower to compensate for this or manage to update the engine so they can have different fire.
This is great feedback, i hope you used the feedback form they just opened up om their discord to get across these thoughts as well in case the devs dont see this video.
Very well said. It's incredible how well Darktide tells you what is happening, be it sound or visual. The only times in Darktide I feel like I couldn't react to something in time is when an audio cue bugs and doesn't play. Even in the most chaotic T5 Auric Maelstrom situations I always feel in control of what is happening and know what to do. About the call-ins. I think the game could stand to learn stuff from Deep rock galactic. That game has a good flow of downtime and hordes, while also making it so killing the horde is always the best option (save for one or two game modes). This game would work much better if the most dangerous enemies were small and fast to kill. Missions only get hard when they become a slog and you cant kill enemies as fast as they spawn because everything is so tanky.
Welcome back Reg, it's good to see you still care about this game despite the obvious problems it has. Many of us love this game and what it has to offer, but with every update, it seems to be one step forward and two steps back. I'm personally heartbroken with what they did to my baby, the flamer, I loved that damn thing it felt so good to use. It was my favorite weapon because it was effective against almost everything, at least with terminids. The way it is now... you put it best, it's just not as fun. Fun is more important than balance. Balance can be had but if it is at the cost of having fun, then what is even the point? Hope the devs are listening because you speak for all of us here, we aren't happy with the game we've grown to love and that should be incredibly alarming for Arrowhead as a business that relies on us to keep going.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I loved the arc thrower too, it is a weapon I found at the heyday of this game to be a great comparison to the flamer in terms of risk versus reward. You pose a danger to your team but if you're careful you could mean the difference in a fight. It was a layer of depth that's been removed and has just made it... lame. And make stealth an option! This game plays just like MGS:V after all. I wish the devs would work on cool shit like that instead of worrying about weapons being "realistic"
Whoever is recommending the nerfs please sit down and play the game after you nerf something in test and tell the players/community "Yes I am having fun". If you can't do this then that nerf is not worth putting into the game. The player base wouldn't be half as angry if the devs could actually explain what method they're using to decide on buffs and nerfs. Just test the freaking nerfs with a controlled player base before rolling them out and got some honest opinions.
Game was so fun back then everyone quickly forgave this to devs. Like "well they are just making baby mistakes, they will learn! game is about to be game of the year!!" But then more nerfs More nerfs And those nerfs were only on fun guns Tons of miniscule buffs like "recoil is now not 31 but 27" Duh...I've never in my 20+ years of gaming seen such an indomitable will from devs to push their "vision of a perfect game" like a bulldozer, not listening to no one.
@@LaserTractor siege balancing style It's nerf or nothin' why not buff other options to make it easier to not run this, why nerf the fun away? *The Vision* people play this too much, let us nerf it instead of finding out why people gravitate towards it.
I don't know for sure, but I've always felt like some call-in's are automatic. Like, it _appears_ that you didn't kill the enemy on time. But in reality, the game is keeping a clock going, and it's decided it's been enough time, and they call it in the second you make the mistake of shooting at one of them. I don't know for sure, but I've played 200 hrs, and I swear, some call-ins are basically instant, triggered the moment the enemy becomes aware of you, and some call-ins, you can stop them and quench the fire before it starts.
I was wondering why I was having more fun in Deep Rock Galactic than Helldivers. There's not enough PVE engagement! Hell, I had to do a Personal Order today where I had to kill 10 enemies with the Expendable Anti-Tank, and the EAT were HORRIBLE. The splash damage from the rockets wasn't even able to kill SCAVENGERS. *SCAVENGERS.* I think all of these points are pretty accurate. Helldivers 2 isn't a COOP PVE, it's more of a "Run away from your heavy orbital and air strikes that do the killing for you while you have barely enough munitions to defend yourself against the fifty bugs/bots swarming around you and tearing you apart like a piece of paper." And considering they JUST released a new difficulty, with nerfs to a lot of weapons, that doesn't really bode well.
That is the funny part to me, they tuned their new difficulty... before nerfing a pile of weapons. They nerfed fire, right before a paid fire weapons pack.
One of the things I miss from helldivers 1 is the ability to upgrade your weapons and stratagems. Mostly every primary could be upgraded to have medium armor penetrating along with other buffs. It would also give us another use for requisition slips and/or medals
I share your sentiment and want to add that I feel like we could also do with a recharging shield mechanic, not as in the strategem, but like on every armour by default. Would be very useful in situations where you get attacked from behind and have no time to react snowballing in you getting attacked in all fronts, or in other times when you need a little bit more forgiveness in repositioning. Popping a stim for every bit of damage because you are afraid you might get one shot or stun locked in the very next encounter is rough. There's actually a GDC talk on god of war, and how the change from an isometric view to a on shoulder camera angle made so you get attacked by enemies from behind and could not do anything about it, and how visual and audio cues helped them solve it, as well as enemies do less damage when the player is not looking at them which is pretty smart, and made the combat feel more fair
It still is. It was good after the "nerf", it just required skill to use since you couldn't just leave it in Safe Mode (it could still 1 shot Hulks). And the railgun has since only received buffs.
Here are some Ideas 💡 For Bots: More focus on light infantry. Rocket Raider's launcher should be a One-Time shot like an EAT. Rocket Devastors should eventually run out of ammo. No one likes being pinned down by a Horde of Rocket Devastors that fires an Endless Salvo of missiles at you. Mini-Gun Devastors should also run out of ammo or have their barrels overheat. For Bugs: Mostly good as is, though the Hunters needs just a little nerf, either nerf their unnatural ability to land headshots 80% of the time or nerf the duration of their slow because that's what the little bile spitter is supposed to do. Nursery/Blie Spewers need to have a cool down of how often they can spew bile before they have to wait to spam their bile at you again. Bile spewers need to be less tanky from the back and sides, like a Hive Guard or have less of them Spawning in a bug breach. How a Bile Spewer can tank an EAT to the face, but a Charger can't is beyond me. Stalkers should have Glowing Green Blood and leave blood trails. Stalkers should also be able to mimic another Helldiver's Voice and Ping. Imagine a Stalker Pinging you with a "Follow Me" ping. Secondary Objectives: Since Devs wants us to rely more on Stratagems, there should be secondary objectives that allow us to use Certain stratagems, give more Charges to existing stratagems, or reduce the cooldown of stratagems and etc. One big thing they do need to do though, is to make it so that the "Guard Dog" is able to replenish ammo from ammo packs and not just the Supply Pack. So fucking stupid I swear. And they wonder why no one uses it, such a simple fix. Also, maybe it's time for a Flamethrower and Arcthrower Rover.
Personally I do not agree with a few things here, but most are good suggestions and or just require a bit of tweaking allow me to explain. Let us start with the bots, I don't think the Rocket Raiders are that big of a issue, while annoying they do only shoot one rocket at a time and can be plinked off very easily, so I don't think they require any change. The Rocket Devs on the onther hand are a issue, I've yet to meet a diver that enjoys effectively getting infinitely ragdolled into orbit, so my suggestion for them would be to have them have a reload animation for the rockets that requires them to be static for the animation, this could buy you some time to either get out of the line of fire and or flank them/destroy their rocket pods. The Heavy Devs are also a problem and I like your suggestion of the overheating mechanic, but I think we can take it one step further, where once the overheat kicks in they hold position and hunker down behind their shields until the minigun cools down, again much like the Rocket Devs this would allow for time to either reposition to cover and or flank and shoot their backpacks out. Onto the bugs, I agree with your assessment of the hunters, but I have a different tweak to deal with their slow spamming, rather than nerfing the duration of the slow give it a proc chance instead, so not every hit is guaranteed slow but at the same time we have no idea when and or if we will get slowed, I find that to be a better approach as it will not feel like a direct nerf and rather a change in mechanics instead. As for the Nursery/Blie Spewers I likewise agree with your assessment as well, but I have another idea which I will get into later regarding enemies overall. I like your idea regarding the blood trail for the Stalkers, it would make them less annoying to track without directly nerfing them, but I disagree on them mimicking divers I think having them mimic other bug units is a better idea and makes more sense thematically, for example imagine hearing the sounds of a Charger and pulling out your AT option to deal with it, only to be met with a Stalker instead where your primary would be the better option to neutralize it. As for enemies overall, I think the majority of heavier units are bullet sponges overall even when it comes to their weak points, while I don't want to nerf any overall armor values of any units, I think sponginess should remain and then make the weak points actually really weak like paper thin weak, while at the same time making them slightly more difficult to acquire shots on. I think this is the better approach where you don't directly nerf the difficultly of the units, while avoiding the power creep issue when it comes to player weapons, but at the same time would allow what are statistically weak weapons (like the assault rifle lineup) to still be useful for weak point targeting without having to buff them. I like your thoughts on the secondary objectives, but I'd like to add onto to this as well with another aspect, we get slammed with negative modifiers all the time be they planetary or operational modifiers, so why can we not get positive modifiers as well and have one positive basic modifier when we drop in to counterbalance the negative, while at the same time allowing for the secondaries to provide further positive modifiers? The devs can also counteract our access to them by making the more lucrative positive modifiers harder to achieve, per example destroying ever fab on the map unlocks a faster shuttle call in time and or we are hit with less waves/less numerous amount of enemies at extraction. I agree with your thoughts on the Guard Dog as well, but it is going to always be garbage as it uses the Liberator as its weapon, in addition to your suggestions I would say the Liberator should be swapped out in favor of either the Stalwart/MG or the Punisher/Breaker, I believe that would at least make it competitive with the Rover lacking any ammo resource requirement as the tradeoff would be higher dps. Last but not least I am firmly against a arc thrower/flamethrower rover, you're basically just asking for a TPK machine far worse than what the Rover already is. I think a more sensible option (at least for the flamethrower) would be a turret instead as a area denial option, likewise I think some adjustments need to be made to the Tesla Tower, rather than it only firing a single "bolt" that arcs to multiple targets, it could fire 3 or 4 bolts that only target a single target, this would at least give it less down time between shots and make it more effective at area denial.
Finished a drop recently and commented to my fellow divers: "My finger is tired from clicking so much." There is a point where killing an enemy is kind of a chore, there is a loading hint about sending the eagle back when there is "downtime" but often there is barely any and its 40 min clicking nearly constantly. I think I had the Cookout shotgun equipped, its bad against durable targets that need to die *now* or when the map seed spawns something like Bile Spewers, hell even Hunters don't always die with the fire dot. This is something the I-Breaker had over the other guns, straight up comfort! And something the original Breaker had back then, before its ammo got slash in half. Not to mention the performance, fps getting lower and lower...
Can you imagine if Fat Shark had the IP to Helldivers. They would take all the stuff they learned from Darktide like sound/visual ques, customize weaponry/character, class system, melee weapons, urban warfare, badass sound track, etc and bring it to Helldivers. I don’t think I’ve seen them make usable vehicles but I’m sure they can figure it out.
@@EnterTheFenix and Helldivers is 7 months old already. What devs added in those 7 months? 10 biomes (wnich are really easily made and most of them were made pre game launch to "fit narrative). Around 7 new stratagems, none of wnich is actual offensive stratagem. 6 Warbonds, 3 of wnich are pretty much useless. Bugs, Bugs, bugs, glitches, mass amounts of glitches. 8 new enemy types (4 bug types and 4 bot types). Oh and 6 new objectives and 2 "side" objectives (wnich those main objectives were mostly ONLY for history and never came back). Tbh, poor amounts of content for "live content" game. Sucks to be AH wnich choosed old dated engine instead of rewriting just around 40% of their code.
I still think a big part of it is mission design. The maps being laid out in small isolated clumps pushes the idea of run in, complete the objective, and run away. That can't be fixed unless a lot of stuff is changed, however at the very least I would like to see more forced enemy drops when mission objectives are in progress or completed to make the big battles happen (alongside enemy comp changes). Soil Survey is a good example of this, although imo the drops are too close and don't let the players fortify and defend their position the principle is correct. If patrols are changed to have it be much easier to stop a breach/drop happening, there needs to be other ways to make battles happen.
I think your main point that most of the time the best strategy is to run away is spot on. That's what makes the game repetitive. I think they want people to stay together and work as a team, and when teams stick together it is possible to stomp on patrols and their call-ins, too, but even then not all of the time. The gameplay is really different if one or even two soldiers go off on their own, then the best strategy is basically to avoid everything. I don't think they planned on players splitting up so often. They thought it would be a tactical shooter, but when everyone splits up it turns into a horde shooter for each player. I think this is why the guns feel so underpowered, youre supposed to have 3 other people backing you up. A big part of the fun in HD1 is blasting enemies that are about to overtake your teammates, you can always see them so saving each other happens almost all the time. They might be trying to kill solos in HD2 because the AI can't handle four individual games at once. I play this game way too much and I notice differences in different drops, like sometimes the enemies just stand there and offer no resistance, then suddenly they kill me. Other times the enemy actually seems to oppose me. I think the AI is pretty inconsistent, and that makes picking a loadout a bit of a crapshoot sometimes, like you said you can get hard gated and not really be able to perform in a certain match. But anyway, I think they may have made the game fun on accident. The environmental audio is really terrible. It isn't just for enemies. I think the game actually silences other teammates stratagem call-ins to increase the "surprise" team kills. There are also "gotcha" spawns that are in places you just cleared, and I think the game restricts enemy audio so that it can just make them appear whenever/wherever. There's also things that seem to trigger one enemy being spawned like hellbombs, once armed a random squishy shows up. The one random bug/bot from nowhere also makes it impossible to post up and lay down fire for teammates, which is basically more encouragement to just keep running all the time. I'd rather see a real ambush or a drop in. Like have them all pop up in gillie suits or maybe drop in with parachutes on or whatever. It can be silent and still be fun, but right now the gotcha spawns actually produce another shitty piece of strategy where the best thing to do is to look at the biggest empty space where enemies would be spawning if you didn't look there, and then run away from whatever group is overwhelming you. I think they should just get rid of static enemies altogether and give them all intelligence, but give us a lot fewer of them, or double every weapon's damage, and that's just for starters. One more thing, I totally agree about the experimental weapon attributes. I often think, man, my weapons are fucking garbage, I wish I could pick up this rocket pack from this devastator, or grab six bot rifles at once, and blast everything. All of the stop-running reloads need to be removed. At higher difficulties where youre running all the time if you stop to reload youre dead. Hell, I'd like to rip off their body parts and beat them with it while wearing whatever super armor i picked up off the ground. I'd also like laser weapons to cut things off like fruit ninja, or maybe just to melt things and freeze them in place. There's so much potential, but right now its 8 ARs that are all so weak that whichever one is chosen doesn't matter, similar for shotguns. This isn't a ted talk I'm actually being paid by a spy agency to keep you on your computer because youre so smart youre dangerous if you arent kept busy. My FBI agent Larry has kids to put through college, thanks for helping us both keep our jobs
I agree with your points. But I will say I run into the "book it" paradigm problem even when 4stacking with bros. Its just how you win. Taking engagements is so suboptimal I practically feel like I have to play wrong on purpose to have fun. My handler says hi to your handler.
From what I've seen we are all going to have fun with SM2 but its not going to unseat DT as the leader in tryhard high complexity sweatlorde hordeshooting.
Tbh darktide got boring after a bit with the combination of low content drops+every mission just feeling the exact same gameplay wise Core gameplay still fun though
@@stormjet814 The trick is to keep diving into harder and harder challenge content. If you haven't beaten a monstrous maelstrom mission with just 2 people and letting the bots die (true duos) then there's a lot of skill depths to delve. Its super fun. Even after having beaten these challenges there's still ways to get better at the game.
this right here I want to fight the enemy and feel like I'm doing something. It feels like the devs want to give the enemy a ton of advantages, but then when we have advantages a bunch get taken away. "We're nerfing flamethrowers and fire in general because muh realism", but then they make the 500kg feel like a Nerf foam rocket rather than an actual piece of ordinance, which is unrealistic
Its pretty amusing. Like I dunno what people want, I can solo 9s. Even if I couldn't the reality is a wide audience is mad about the same thing. Thats an obvious problem.
Holy shit first youtube video on this game where i felt vindicated. Dude said so many things ive been thinking & wondering about for weeks. Im relatively new & i wanna like this game so bad. But the guns all feel like pea shooters, even the strongest meta weapons do 0 damage if you're not hitting weak spots while being swarmed by 30-50 enemies half of which are armored & ragdolling me into a physics glitch where i have to nade myself out of the bugged physics just to have control of my character again. Keep preaching my guy i needed to hear this stuff.
Very good ideas. I do personally like the playstyle of being more of an artillery observer, but it does get old having all personal weapons be so inneffective. Having some more diversity in loadouts, specifically the share of power between stratagems/small arms would be nice. It should very much be more viable to just play the game engaging at least most of the enemies you see, as this is how most people probably want to play a game like helldivers
Agreed. I'm a rapidly-aging dude whose brain squirts more happy chemicals by being in the right place at the right time than landing $ikk-n@sty trickshots (because no amount of dedicated training is going to make me consistent at doing the latter, and oh boy have I tried). It's why DotA2 hooked me in a way LoL never did, why "Super Earth Artillery Observer" is also my preferred playstyle, and a big reason why I still love the game to death, despite whatever weird side quest shenanigans appear to be going on right now among the members of the HD2 balance team. But if AH insists on making this playstyle be the "intended experience," then at the very least, said playstyle should be _encouraged_ through hyper lethality on *both* sides -- not clumsily _enforced_ by essentially making 95% of the non-stratagem kit (hell, a decent chunk of the stratagem kit too, for that matter) practically useless past difficulty 6, even as the enemy gains more and varied ways of instantly deleting you out of nowhere. If primaries were more generally useful and powerful in most combat situations, then there could at least be options of engagement that aren't "yeet your barrages and turrets then hide behind a rock," while the high lethality on both sides would still reward patient, methodical, and mechanically unimpressive divers (like myself!) whose kill strategies focus more on seizing key battlefield positions and minimizing effective enemy fire than being The Big Damn Hero™.
This is one of the best detailed takes I've heard about this game, Made me realized how I always want to switch things with my loadout and armor but end up using hit and run support weapon focused loadouts since any other playstyle feels almost punishing to do
I love in this game how the powerful anti tank weapons that you can reload have 10 minute cooldowns, so if you die you have to run into the hoard defenceless that just killed you to try to retrieve it just so you can maybe kill the bile titan that’s camping the objective, so your forced using single shot stuff that takes 10~ seconds to deploy just to hopeful get it in time and hit your shot.
I definitely agree with you bro. When engaging the enemy I feel as if I am constantly forced to face enemies that my weapons pose little to no threat to, and I am perpetually forced to rely on my stratagems. I feel when I go into a game I have to rely upon either a setup totally based on fighting bigger enemies (who are too numerous for me to finish myself anyways) and allow myself to helplessly get get swarmed by the little guys, or I build a setup designed more so to handle the smaller enemies and allow myself to get slapped up by the bigger fellas. I kinda feel as if I’m doomed to have to flee either way… but with the introduction of the impaler running has also become disincentivized. Stay and fight and die to the horde, or run away and get juggled by the impaler until all my bones are broken… I love this game, but I hope for some sizeable changes soon. Great video bro.
Darktide is such a good comparison in term of audio and visual design. Take snipers for example. It's a long range specialist Enemy that can take a huge chunk of your hp off, if you're ignoring him. Their attack direction is indicated by a red laser beam, which also gives away their position,so you can try and break a line of sight before they lock onto you. If you can't and they did lock on, there would be audio and visual cue for their attack, giving you just enough time to make a dodge to avoid it. Said cue is distinct from everything else in the game, so even if you don't see a sniper, but hear his attack cue, you can dodge backwards and there's a good chance that he'll miss. Same can be said about every other specialist. Nets will have a heat up sound just before they shoot you, mutants will scream way before they connect, dogs bark when they spawn and when they launge at you, flamethrowers mutter to themself before starting fire with a distinct click, pocburster has a ticking sound that gets faster based on his distance to you, grenadiers will give their position away with pin removal noise and whistling noise their grenade makes. Even if you don't see your enemy on your screen, you generally can understand what's going on just by sound alone. And on top of that, every one of them has a distinct sound for when they spawn, and a separate one for when wave of them spawns. And now let's look at HD new tentacle monster. It's silent for the most part, tentacles can travel quite far and they do not give an indication where the body is.
I miss the old crossbow, I had a lot of fun with it. Was it good? Eeeh it needed a little something but having a primary weapon that fired frag grenades was AWESOME. Now it is just eh. I mever touch it because it doesn't do anything. Why take the crossbow when I can just run Counter Sniper instead? But I have gotten really back into Darktide after the last update. I am hinestly disappointed in myself for brushing off the penitence update initially as well. So looking forward to to crafting update. My zealot has a collosal stockpile of weapons I really want to thin down XD
I liked the older cross bow on launch too. Nerf bat weirdly swung at a weak weapon. I've been deep into the darktide rabbit hole too. Been doing a lot of monstrous duos lately.
@@flyinmehkite384 Zealot is just fun dude. If you want to get more monstrosity damage on the table without sacrificing your build try the Indy Crusher. Its got decent boss damage and is a great stagger stick (and all around damage dealer)
@@Reginald-sc9tk That tends to be one of my main weapons (that I am taking a break from). Really having fun with the stun mace ia. Which pretty much has the same swing pattern as the Crusher.
I was thinking about how to make the call-ins less painful, and my idea was this: - Non-heavy enemies have a chance to spawn as a "whistleblower" of sorts. This effect makes them the one and only target in a nearby group that can call for backup - This effect is very visually noticeable on the enemy, allowing you to focus them first if you're smart and avoid a breach/drop when approached correctly. For bots, i magine the flare they use would be strapped to their back as a bright red light, and for bugs, these marked enemies would be surrounded by a cloud of mist/spores/pheromones/whatever. - Higher difficulties would see more of this effect spawn on enemies and would require more careful attacks and maybe even teamwork to completely negate an enemy reinforce -To show which enemies are marked while the reinforce is on cooldown, the bot flare could turn a different blue or green, and the bug effect could go from orange to green or white (all adjusted for colorblind settings to) so you could still focus them in preparation - In addition, make the calling animation longer and more noticeable. Maybe you can watch the bot pull the flare out, attach it to his arm, and then fire it instead of instantly firing it, and perhaps the acting bug could glow a bright orange/green and just slow the existing animation
the bot one is fine, they tend to just stand still and aim up giving you plenty of time to shoot them, will say the bug one needs to be changed tho, the moment they poke there head up it's over.
I think your section on problems was a liiiiitle overdramatic but overall I think you are right in your main point which is that lack of weapon diversity kind of kills the game. If i'm being funneled into the One Loadout for this One Enemy I'm fighting, I'm of course going to get bored of that after 3 missions max. Being able to pull out the flamethrower or not have to rock an AC every single mission is just a no brainer way to keep me at least a little more invested in the game. Personally, I'd love to see specializations in loadouts; some perks or extra mechanics for playing in a certain way.
I'm still having fun with the game but I do agree there are ways in which the game could be improved. My big problem is 99% of the "criticism" I see online is "reeee game bad fix game reeeeee" and it just gets so obnoxious. Its nice to see someone calmly break down exactly what the issues are and *why* they have those issues. Good video :)
You freaking nailed it. The part about more small enemies and less armored really hit home for me. I’ve wanted this forever. I’m tired of getting stuck bringing anti tank support weapons every freaking game. It gets old and I have more fun missing down massive hordes with the mg-43. Also can you imagine a liberator with lots of ammo that was actually powerful? Holy smokes how cool would that be?
I haven't had fun with helldivers for a while and your points are very good. Playing EDF 6 really makes me feel that Helldivers could've been so much more
Something that would actully fix the game is: individual ammo call in. I constantly TK/kick double dippers since theres only 1 ammo reserve for everyone.
My interest in the game started waning when they released the Eruptor warbond and then immediately nerfed it into the dirt. I thought that warbond was pretty sick, and the Eruptor gave me a weapon that I truly enjoyed playing with. They nerfed it heavily for an inane reason that didn't even occur that frequently, and could be played around reliably. The shrapnel it generated with each shot was great at mob clear, and its damage was perfectly balanced by its long reload. In all the times I played it, and I played it pretty heavily, I could probably count the number of times I'd TK'd because of the shrapnel. It's been downhill ever since, although they got a bit of my interest back when they buffed the weapon handling for the Diligence sniper rifle line, and with the tune up they gave the orbital gatling and precision strikes.
I completely agree. I really enjoy stealth against bots but partly because I probably won’t survive a factory strider death squad being dropped right on my head. And on the bug front, you can actually wipe out the entire map of bug holes, shrieker nest, mega nest using a single emancipator mech if you just dodge/ignore the bugs and move on to the next set of holes. Since there is not much incentive to linger there for too long anyway once you’ve unlocked everything and that lead us nicely to the severe lack of endgame rewards. This game is a gem in this era of gaming and i truly hope our constructive criticisms will help polish it.
if i could imagine the actual changes to the call ins and spawn rates with the enemy patrols would be this: Call ins: Have an alert system on the game that rewards going stealth, how do we acomplish this is having two timers. First timer is for call ins intervals this is for start an open combat, at the start of the mission if you enter in combat the first call in will happend 45 seconds in the combat, if you kill everyone it stays on 45 seconds, if a call in happend then alert system goes up on 1 level and the call in time is now 40 seconds and will substract 5 seconds each level of the alert system, so if you play too agresive you will reach the point when at the start of the fight a call in will happend. Second timer that will be the cooldown between call ins, i will say 2 minutes, when a call in happend another one will no occur until 2 minutes has passed since the start of the last one. Spawn rates and enemy patrols: have the spawn rates with the enemy patrols tied to the nest or factories active on the map We have three types of factory or nest levels, small, medium and large, with this it can be coded that a fixed amount of enemies will be inside the nest or factory and the spawn timers of each, along side this, the enemy patrol will be attached to the nest or factory its self, having a fixed numbers of patrols that will go and come back, this can make the feeling that the patrols are not roaming bc of yes and have a duty on watch the nest or fabric so the big ones will feel more vigilated and more important to the faction, this is aside the minor point of interest where there will be enemies. So what happend when the players destroy a nest or fabric? that nest or fabirc will enter on a state of "lost signal" and after a set time passes a patrol will spawn at the border of the map and will go to that nest or fabric to investigate, if now found anything will start roaming on the map randomly, when all the nest or fabric will be destroyed the map will enter on a state of "Territory lost" and this stat will stop any spawn of enemies excluding the call in ones till the activation of extraction point where the spawns will be reactivated and happend at the border of the map and go direct to extract point. i will not talk about numbers on the spawn topic bc its hard to set an amount that will be okey for each level of dificulty but the idea is there, again this is an idea only im speaking from a fact that i dont know chit about game development and coding, im talking from a point of view from what i think can be done, thanks for reading and sorry my poor english
Rocket enemies should have a red flash and then have a visible laser appear where their “painting” you with it as a way to lock on to you before they fire as a visual queue that their salvo is about to launch giving you a few second to react to it. Maybe make diving prone have some use if you’re in the open.
The game needs an actual AI director that can take the foot off the accelerator when you get too engaged instead of dumping endless waves of enemies on top of you until you either die or run away.
Yeah, it's not like it's too hard that I can't run diff 9 or 10 with but it's just not fun to play or even to shoot.
I still able to run high diff with any stupid weapon but I need to duck, to avoid, to runaway most enemies all time to finish the mission, which not fun at all.
This precisely is the problem
You totally can take every fight though, just not on the hardest difficulties in the game. 8's and lower you can steamroll with a half decent team.
@@peterstedman6140 That's a design failure. You shouldn't play a game 100% differently at one difficulty than another. Difficulty is meant to expand your gameplay skill, not contract it.
This is exactly the perspective that I think is wrong with the playerbase. You are talking about difficulties labelled as harder than "suicide mission." The fun from these levels of difficulty is the overwhelming odds, and it sounds like most of the playerbase is expecting to be able to have success on these difficulties without respecting that idea. The true "solution" to the "problem" most of the complainers are talking about is just playing on 6-7. My friend group exclusively plays on 9-10 and we are aware we aren't winning every fight, but we're there to face the impossible.
@@masonlee6396I literally wouldn’t have any idea on how to play against bots if they touch the AC. That is a huge problem
Fighting the enemy should feel like "Not one step back" instead of "Not one step forward"
Based and correct
Honestly I came to appreciate darktide more after hd2 got those crazy debuffs
I've told my team that before and they acted like I was insane (we all died)
"Not one step back, not one step FORWARD, and no DEFEATING THE REAPERS!"
HD2 is literally serious sam with airstrikes now
What always bugged me, is how the devs design all these assault rifles with 30 rounds magazines in an horde shooter, which usually takes 1 magazine for 2-3 enemies. It's baffling to me.
Easily fixed by giving rifles significant damage buffs so it only takes a few rounds to kill small enemies. Instead of half a mag.
what I find most annoying is that the stalwart (doo doo weak MG) was meant to be a primary, because it's the only strategam weapon in the game that has a functional flashlight, the only other weapons that have that are pistols and primaries, and that's why the sickle is the sole used AR, it effectively hold 100 rounds, has 3 reloads and just feels good to use because you're not spending half the time reloading, I took out the starter liberator out on my last match alongside the stalwart, and I just stopped using the AR because it wasn't fun
@@jimbothegymbro7086 the stalwart is basically just a liberator with a bigger magazine, in terms of damage and penetration. I argue that the stalwart is what the liberator should be. As said ... needing to empty a mag every 2-3 common enemies (regarding how many dozens combined with armoured ones charge at you) is just bad game design. I also main the sickle since it's introduction, because of ammo managment. It's basically also a liberator (5 less dmg and same pen) with double the magazine size and replenishing ammo. I would be really mad of the devs dare to nerf my gun.
@@Ars_Illyrian yep. they want us to hit weak spots while there are billions of it around us and have to constantly run. i need more ammo in this game.
@@Reginald-sc9tkthat's maybe a little too easy, they should make shooting weak spots more damaging. Decreases enemy TtK but only if you aim well.
I would prefer if the devs would stop using the excuse of "realism" as a cudgel to bludgeon the players over the head with only when it proves to a detriment to the players but not use the "realism" cudgel and have it apply to everything else in the game. "We changed the ways flames work because we don't think it's realistic. By the way, you can't climb or land on that rock because we think it would limit the fun of the game."
I hate the way I can't make creative use of my hellpod to gain positional advantage. Really grinds my gears.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Same, hate that. Still with jetpack, there are some cool areas to reach in some maps. its a shame we cant place turrent on top of rocks, as you know, a strategic placement.
If they knew what the fck they were talking about, they would know flames from a flame thrower ain't just "Flames", it's actual burning sticky liquid fuel ... Not a freaking blowtorch LMAO 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The company is full of idiots if they are saying "Realism" let me beat them over the head with that. Realism means those heavy units would die regardless of hit location with an anti tank weapon aREAL javelin atgm= the spear would 1 shot a charger or titan a tandem warhead would cut through any amount of armor that thing turns irl tanks into scrap heaps, guess what it would do to the chitin of an animal? vapotize it. Realism argument is bs because both can play that game if realism is the thing than heavy weapons should kill everything in 1 to 2 hits period no questions asked. Also for " REALISM" one does not have to stop and stand still to reload a rocket launcher or machine gun. so they need to get that bs outa here talking about realism my ass
The whole fucking reason we play video games is so we can escape the real world. I don’t give a crap about realism. I care about having fun.
You wind up just wondering why you're even there--the spaceship is the one getting all the kills, why don't we just go back up there and pilot the guns?
It'd be more impactful than any of us going boots-on-the-ground most of the time, lol.
Exactly! For that matter why am I not just able to call in all the orbitals?
@@Reginald-sc9tk not enough gunner crew maybe? Also reloading teams might be slow af. I mean they ARE loading some guns from the front like a musket so i'd imagine that it takes a bit to reload.
What i've heard is that the Helldivers are literally just a holdover of their leaders being state sec and propaganda tools
Also the rates at which they die at and cost to deploy is almost nothing compared to the SEAF, along with their k/d ratio, and 'mission success' rate.
This isn't from an official source, but it makes sense and I think it's funny so I choose to believe this.
I guess the ship has more guns than it can sustain firing at once. Like a power supply or frame degredation issue that is just the core destroyer being badly designed since they're pretty clearly mass produced or whatever. If they want to be so realistic about it.
I'm not blind.
I was spreading information, as well as my own assumptions, and being blunt about how my source isn't reliable. Helldivers bring results, and aren't any harder to replace than another base full of SEAF.
Why am I getting censored for that? I don't think i'm lost this time.
Arrowhead, please listen to this man. This is what the community has been wanting forever, delivered in a very clear and positive way.
Arrowhead: We've heard your feedback and decided to nerf the railgun again. It now comes with half as much ammo and unsafe mode no longer penetrates medium armor. Please give us $10 for a warbond that has 3 guns you'll use once and then forget about.
I find it seriously impressive that these guys went from the saviors of gaming to despised by their players in less than a year.
Buzz has been giving very quality constructive criticism as well. The problem?… Arrowhead refuses to listen to their loyal, day 1s who stuck around through the thick and thin. A breed of helldiver that is slowly but surely, going extinct due to deliberate dev ignorance. So frustrating…
The writing was in the wall in April. The best days are behind us.
They don't want solutions bruh. Want ur soul
Never agreed with a degenerate furry, but these are dark times and you have a point.
Big ass hunk of bug flesh and chitin, makes no sound when charging at you, full force.
Flying creature named "Shrieker" does not shriek at all, even just randomly.
DRG however has great sound cues and understands that it's important. (Mactera grabbers are very distinguished.)
I just realised the shrieker doesn't even shriek for the first time.
but they do, it's just not very loud. also that make a very loud shriek when you kill them so there is that
Same
@@ahha623 it would of been a bit annoying if they REEEEEEEEEEEEEE'd the entire time.
DRG's sound cues are hit and miss. Macteras, Stingtails, Stalkers, all of the newer enemies in general are great, but the old basic enemies are awful, the grunts don't make any noise at all while moving about until they're right about to hit you, all you hear is the bite sound and the "digging under ground" sound, and the latter doesn't help if they don't spawn near you and suddenly just decide to follow you and out of nowhere you have someone nibbling on you from behind that makes no sound. It could be better.
Standard Arrowhead response: “We hear you and we have decided to nerf the ammo reserves more we also took away your ability to run for more than 5 seconds”
The problem with this comment is that they're gonna see it and be like "oh shit, this guy is onto something."
AH: understood and heard, we've decided to nerf the slugger.
‘For realism we nerfed your stamina regen speed by 5x’
Enemy call ins is the worst design of the bunch, the entire reason to avoid combat. I understand the desire for realism by making enemies do instant call ins upon contact, but there needs to be a long delay before these units arrive, maybe even cancel the call in entirely if you wipe out the squad. I don't know what the best solution is, but as it stands the moment you engage in combat you get heavily punished.
Edit: Many people are suggesting how to deal with call ins, I already know these methods but that was never the point I was raising.
I know that super helldive is supposed to be the hardest difficulty (for now), but the amount of enemy call ins is insane. I couldn't even be able to do a terminids emergency mission with a high-level group since there would be enemy patrols coming by and calling more bug breaches while a bug breach is already happening.
An immediate band-aid could be to have all call-ins put the timer on cooldown, regardless of whether or not said call-in was successful. It's so tiring to have to play whack-a-mole with an entire incoming chaff horde every time a bug breach or bot drop is ready, especially on higher difficulties when the patrols are so large and the call-in timer is so short that breaches/drops can themselves start calling in new breaches/drops. If we play proactively enough to eliminate the commissar or scavenger right as they get ready to drop hell on our Super Butts, we could at least be rewarded with not having to immediately and continuously repeat this task until we inevitably fail.
just have them call after a set time, I mean we're dropping from orbit with a hell of a bang so it makes sense, and the hordes get progressively bigger each time to encourage a risk reward (what reward? bah different tangent)
It would be fine if they called enemies at the end of the animaton, not the start, killing a automaton before they get a flare off only to still getting swarmed is so aggravating
Gas strike bug breaches and anything smaller then a charger will die instantly
Yeah, I quit three months ago when they dropped that "spawn rate fix" that resulted in endless waves of enemies just spawning out of thin air and increasing the less players were in the game. I played with 1-2 buddies and very rarely we got a fourth to fill out the team, so duo runs were our usual. And the way the spawn rate "fix" worked was so visible as soon as the third buddy dropped off - as if a switch was flipped, the enemies just spawn TWICE as much. When we're three? Manageable, engaging, fun. Two? We're running out of ammo just by fending off the harrasser chaff while desperately running from objective to objective. And the developers agreed, hey, this is too much, we'll fix it in the next patch. It's been three major patches in the row now, no such fix - no, the REVERSAL of their "fix".
All these random nerfs nobody asked for like the flames change, citing REALISM for changing it... Armor does nothing to protect you against flamethrowers, because steel heats up and cooks whatever's inside, and chitin just straight up evaporates and bursts when impacted by the flame jets used by any kind of flamethrower. Meanwhile Hulks just incinerate you with a glance, through any terrain, ditto for all the other spewer enemies on the bugs front. Realism for thee, not for the opponents, helldiver.
Arrowhead are just screwed in the head. There's no way around it. They have their twisted, strange idea of what the game is supposed to be, they seem to loathe the fun players were having with an awesome horde shooter on their hands, and they will go against all logic to crash and burn their runaway success into a niche indie game for masochists that they seem to want to stick around and praise every terrible change they make to the game. Shooting paperclips at a tank and hoping it explodes is hard, but it's neither effective nor fun, and you have to be completely insane to do so with any hope for success. But that's what Arrowhead want you to do, it seems.
I wish I could just play the launch version of this game. I played it nonstop for a month, to the point my hands and wrists were hurting from mashing keys. It was such a good time. Whatever they're doing with the game now, I want no part in.
Well stated
A flamethrower is doing jackshit to a modern tank dog, and even in ww2 the flames themselves werent what would foul a tank, the fumes going into the engine were
Flamethrowers have always been used against soft targets or weakpoints
A flamethrower is doing jackshit to a modern tank dog, and even in ww2 the flames themselves werent what would foul a tank, the fumes going into the engine were
Flamethrowers have always been used against soft targets or weakpoints in things like bunkers, you don’t just stand there in front of a tank with one spraying at it
@@stormjet814 Usually tanks weren't filled with flesh right below the armor and didn't have legs though. Raise the temperature of a charger leg high enough, the proteins inside will stop working and the charger will stop moving. Hell, it's more realistic to have the leg be the weak point instead of the back for flamethrowers, since the surface to volume ratio is so high it would be much more susceptible to being heated up while exposed to high temperature.
I remember that. They said they would make fewer spawns but it was literally obvious that they had increased the spawns.
5:48 to add to this, they gotta add an audio queue to the bile spewers. There's no way in hell a creature that big moves around as silent as a ninja. I've literally been assassinated by them. They don't make any sounds like footsteps or any other bug noises until they get ready to vomit death all over me. That whole experience was immersion breaking
They do!
Them and chargers have ABSURD hit boxes/damage variation, I'll get hit by a charger and ragdolled and get up with 60% health, then 5 minutes later I'll get trampled to death in ZERO seconds with an energy backpack after It silently sneaks up on me, same with spewer, either hits me for a few or I watch my health at go to zero in less time then it takes to react
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*silently approaches you*
I remember, a while back, hearing the general concept behind the "balance" being like rock, paper, scissors, with the enemies being scissors, helldivers being paper, but the helldiver's guns being rock
the enemies have all been getting bigger and sharper scissors, but the guns are all being made smaller and weaker rocks, so eventually there's a point where the rocks just don't matter against the scissors
Sounds precisely like the problem.
I bought Darktide recently and its soundscape vs the soundscape in Helldivers couldn't be more night and day. Helldivers, oftentimes things spawn and you just have no idea you're about to be facing 3 chargers. Darktide? EVERY enemy special has a sound cue. Dogs howl, Mutants roar, Trappers laugh and charge their net gun with a distinct loading sound, Monsters bust through the walls with all the commotion you'd expect. The ONLY enemy that doesn't audibly make itself known MUCH is the Daemonhost, Darktide's version of the Witch from L4D, and even that has whispers you can hear and is surrounded by green fog and is VERY OBVIOUS. It is MEANT to be avoided and does an AMAZING job at conveying that by being nearly silent. ONE enemy in Darktide is quiet. Every single other thing that poses a genuine threat to you that's not just a horde enemy is OBVIOUS and it makes the game so much more reactive and fun. Even in the hardest missions with absolute chaos going on around me, I hear that Trapper net gun and I know its time to disengage from the main fight and go get that little shit. Chargers and Bile titans should be stomping and making noise, chittering and screeching. Hulks and Devastators should be clanking and talking in Cyberstani. The only enemy that you can justify being as quiet as they are in Helldivers are the Stalkers, and even they should have a "pounce" sound where they're about to get you. Why? Because its *FUN*. Darktide is also about expendable soldiers being sent to do impossible tasks, and it feels both so much more earned when you win and so much more deserved when you lose. Helldivers just feels like a dice roll of "are we getting spewers this match so that means my guns are useless? Did too many titans spawn so now we're dead?" Darktide its like, because of the audio and cues, I know what's happening in the absolute chaos and can respond to it and if we play it right, we win. In Helldivers, it just doesn't have that. Too many of XYZ and not enough ABC means you lose in Helldivers, NO MATTER how well you play.
It's crazy how detrimental playing without sound in darktide is, while in helldivers 2 i can barely hear anything other than the ost soundtrack and my own gun
To add for daemonhost. Your character will almost always do a callout for it when youre in 15 meter proximity. Like "Thats the sound of nightmares" the cadian vet says or something like that to give you an indication that DH is close, be careful. Sound design overall in HD2 is very lacking, agreed. Most guns sound like nerf guns or plastic toys, which amazes me compared to HD1 from the same devs, which had quite a few weapons sounding better.
DH has a fairly distinct praying voice lines which alerts you way before you usually see her. And if you desterb her with a stray shot or going a bit to close, she'll get up from the ground and into the air, start glowing green and yell much louder, before attacking on the next provocation.
She just as well telegraphed as any other unit in the game.
Oh and also if you'll come way to close to her, your screen will start covering in icing.
I agree with this, actually. Sounds like it would be fun.
As you highlight - The lack of tells results in getting jumpscare killed and makes the game unfun. enemy tells create the opportunity for counterplay by giving the player awareness and decision making. Darktide, excluding audio bugs, is almost always entirely fair. Which means the player's skill has full expression. You can just keep better at the game until you can do things other players find completely impossible. Because the failure is always yours, you always have room to improve. Because the game is fair. (mostly) Helldivers needs that.
I agree with everything here.
My favorite bug shooter was DRG and they exemplify what you're asking.
Sound design of enemies kept them from sneaking up on you.
Weapons were weird and it helped to create fun and interesting loadouts.
Encounters with enemies resulted in fire fights and allowed for the individual to feel like they were a damn war god.
The weirdness helped exemplify team cohesion by individuals being able to look at what others brought to the table and decide how best to compliment one another.
I hope they take a better look at their game and how other horde shooters function instead of chasing whatever direction they think they should, because something needs to change. I've got nearly 700 hours into this game and with as much as I'm rage quitting, I don't think I got many more left in me.
yeah the game really doesnt put much effort in making people work together most lvl10 missions my teammates run off immediatly even tho staying together actually means less patrols to take care off then people start dying and are far away from each other and cant get their kits back and at that point you are cooked.i wish they explained their gameplay mechanics a lot more and encouraged people to work together in some way as that alone can make the game a lot easyer.
ROCK AND STONE
Did i hear a rock and stone?!
the weapons in helldivers feel like micro fletchets but without the massive ammo increase
DRG literally added stalkers to the game and those have more warnings that they exist than the stalkers of HD2 do. And because DRG has a halo shield, the stalkers breaking that shield and disabling it for a few seconds make them genuinely threatening. However its balanced out by them having about as much health as a glyphid guard. They're highly dangerous and damaging enemies... but they're also extremely frail in comparison to the other enemies.
DRG literally did the stalker better.
Devs are so scared of OP strategies because they think it will make the game repetitive and people will leave; So they end up nerfing everything forcing players to play the exact way "it should be played", leading to players experiencing repetitive gameplay, and then leaving the game.
Its natural (and good!!) for metas to form and for some stuff to be busted (and then get boring). All they have to do is release more cool stuff to play around when players get bored with its not that hard lol.
What is your point exactly? Every warbond has new meta tools, everytime. The smallest probably being the jungle one, only the armor effect & booster were bangers, no weapon, but still. And that's without talking about the buffs, like the 120mm barrage feels damn good with -30s base cooldown, or the meta shifts like bot striders more resilient to scorcher/AC, forcing other stuff to be played again, especially railgun /AMR with the pumped up amount of Hulks in super helldive.
Patch was a big W, people just whine about the flamethrower and BI without opening their eyes as to what's meta now (secondary flamer). And meta = fun for many people, so of course it sucks to have some fun removed, but that only means it's in another loadout ..
The way they should address the game feeling repetitive is to give us more enemy factions to fight against
@@ipatchymakouli415 I haven't played in a while, because of both the reasons I stated above, like being forced into repetitive gameplay, as well as some of the reasons Reginald said in the video eg. running away from everything, enemies instantly calling re-reinforcements etc.
The devs force you to play the way they want you to play, which is just unfun for seemingly a lot of people. Trying to force players into certain play patterns and make them use certain weapons (use x for y enemy) by nerfing anything that lets you actually fight the enemies semi head-on, just leads you to play whatever flavor of the month the devs are pushing at the time. Games are enjoyable when they're discovered, not shoved down your throat.
Edit: (To directly respond to ya, my point is: the game just isn't fun to play with its current design)
"repetitive" what. Its a horde shooter? look at l4d2. One of the greatest zombie horde shooters, yeah its inflated by mods but a very large majority of these mods only change aesthetic things such as weapon models, sounds, survivor models, new missions etc yet more than 30k people still play daily, why? Because its fun as hell.
It's repetitive either way
Sadly, I don't think Arrowhead wants to fix the problems. They want some perfectly balanced approach that can't happen so...
This defeatist attitude is most undemocratic soldier.
They made great games in the past.
They're gonna find their stride.
@@knaltor Heh, I used to RP like that... about 3 months and several patches ago.
If we had 16,000 Helldivers every round, then it would be balanced. But we get 4 at a time with 5 reinforcements per soldier. Bugs and bots have 250 enemies at one time shooting you all at once and can ragdoll you... which you can't do to them. NOTHING about this game is balanced. EVERYTHING is geared towards making AI more powerful than players.. and that isn't fun.
@@JoMcD21 That's one thing that wars with the lore and narrative of the game... Super Earth DOESN'T throw Helldivers lives away as expendable recourses. They spend billions of dollars of ordinance and recourses to make as few Helldivers as possible do the most damage. That's the exact opposite!
@@knaltoryou are RPing into a wall
Biggest complaint I got going into anything that challenged me months ago when I was playing was that my 'primary' weapon I wasn't primarily using. It was the stratagem weapons that I was carrying and using most of the time. The RR, AC, Flamer, etc. were all weapons that was being used most of the time and the 'primary' was what we used to conserve ammo on the stratagem weapons, while the 'secondary' was a "I'm all out of ammo on everything else, this is my desperation weapon" and melee was just there to mess with teammates.
That is precisely right. My primary should be usable against most threats that aren't obviously designed to gate you off.
Even stratagems aren't your real primary when shit really gets real. When that happens the thing that will remove the most amount of enemies, hands down, is running away and letting all of the shit despawn.
Funnily enough they said that they don’t want primaries to be your primary weapon and that they actually balance the game around support weapons and stratagems
@@neoramaredzone8544 And they do a shit job at that since almost all the support weapons are more anti infantry (that are primaries can handle) and the ones that are anti-tank are either gated by long call ins of 1 min+ or have long tedious reloads unless you convince someone to be your reload bitch and stand there next to you. Even then you dont have enough ammo to deal with all the spewers, chargers, impalers, and bile titans the game throws at you at once.
This also doesnt factor in all the modifiers (i.e. penalties) that directly prevent or impede your strategems from being effective. This devs are terrible, AH literally makes the Overwatch balance team look competent and thats not good.
On bugs the primary works alright, but on bots I'm using the railgun on 95% of enemys, its still good on investors and hulks, but my rifle or shotgun does dog shit damage
Just to point out AH excuse of realism. In the patch notes it said the slugger got more spread..I repeat THE SLUGGER WITH SLUG SHELLS GOT MORE SPREAD
I guess we're not using rifled slugs lmao
slugs aren't really accurate, rifled slugs are, look up any gun nut youtuber shooting them, but they should 100% stagger, I mean it's a 14mm wide ball of lead it'd have the weight
@@jimbothegymbro7086 fun fact. The slugs are rifled. You can clip your camera into the slug model and see for yourself
@@veni3395 huh then I stand corrected
Spread is Minute of Angle. The slugger fires a very slow, very heavy projectile, so it’s going to have more dispersion (the term they should be using for clarity) than a rifle firing super sonic FMJ.
I hope upon hope that things move in a better direction, cause there's no game like Helldivers 2 to replace it if it sinks.
maybe the new warhammer 40k game could
Space Marines 2 is nothing like Helldivers to be a replacement, the fun of Helldivers missions is how open they are, with secondaries objectives etc.
Space Marine 2 is much more similar to Darktide, linear missions, and much more about melee than stratagems.
Yea its really unique within this co-op shooter genre. If it scratches the itch there's not much like it.
@@namea7270 Ayo I'm probably gonna get space marine 2 if the reviews look good on it. I just don't pre-order nothin' anymore... Tired of getting scammed lmao.
The only thing's closest to Helldivers 2 is Helldivers 1 and the EDF games.
You are at a restaurant, eating a deliciously juicy cheese burger, when the manager walks up to your table. You smile at him, because you are thoroughly enjoying your burger. He smiles at you. The burger is taken from your buttery hands, the bun is peeled off gingerly, and the cheese is scraped with a knife. The manager states that practically 30% of their burgers are ordered with cheese, and it's a problem. Is it a big problem? He doesn't know, but he's come to fix it for you. In place of the cheese he spreads a thick layer of some kind of greenish brown paste, replaces the bun, and gently slides the burger into your hands. "A burger for everyone is a burger for no one" he says with a smile, "We are so glad you care about our burgers and will strive every day to earn your buck." As he walks away, your bewilderment only grows... the... thing in your hands now smells sharply of pig shit and you think something is MOVING in that freshly applied paste. So what is next? Do you take another bite?
These days I wish that if a developer reserves the right to change a product after it has been purchased, the customer should be allowed to reserve the right to instantaneous no-questions-asked refund. I payed for a cheeseburger, not swine scat. Yet, there is no way for me to go back to my cheeseburger and I'm stuck with this awful feeling in my stomach.
Arrowheads are too far up their own asses too understand what is happening right now. Why is it so important to them that our guns behave "realistically", in a game that is CLEARLY not meant to be taken seriously. Seems to me like AH is more proud when the computer is winning than when players are winning. Back when fire tornados were introduced, I was running around a solo extraction dodging 3 fire tornados during an infinite bug breach on level 5. The game froze for a split second while FIVE MORE fire tornados spawned off screen right on top of the pelican. I died and typed F*** YOU JOEL in the chat window and turned off the game. Since then, EVERY time I play the game I'm an agro magnet. Ngl, I think AH is laughing at us all the way to the bank, and I'd like to fight them hand to hand and take my money back from their pockets.
This comment is fucking peak LMAO
i’m a BIG fan of helldivers, but i can’t take it anymore man 😭 they need to make EVERYTHING more effective, they called it “escalation of freedom” and i feel like i just get killed by everything i don’t run away from! that’s not spreading freedom, that’s cowardice
Nice analogy. I LMAO'ed at "a burger for everyone is a burger for no one" lol.
hit the nail on the head the helldiver lacks lethality while the enemies have more to spare, it would honestly be more fun spawning as a hunter to insta gib helldivers while dying on repeat than to be the helldiver in that exact same scenario. Somehow the devs find this their grand vision and I think a big tell on this is Joel's role, the fact that he is the center fo attention as the enemy shows that the devs care little for how the player feels and they wanna feel good killing the player. I think helldivers 2 is the embodiment of making a game for yourself and no one else, and I don't see how this changes. Their company motto is literally a game for all is a game for none, on the flip side a game for one is a game for none. If a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound.
It feels like they have a vision where HD2 is meant to be super gritty. It really leans into missions being literal "Helldives" and Helldivers just barely succeeding against overwhelming odds. What they kind of forget is that at the end of the day, it's a game, and games live on being fun to play.
The problem I see is that all those changes we need to make the game fun again and balanced in its own way, would require a complete change from AH, not just "oh we are sorry you dont like this one change, we will take a look at it again, thanks for you feedback.", they are STILL nerfing weapons based on popularity instead of asking themselves: why are 95% of the players using the same 3 guns. Or why everyone is taking the grenade pistol. I really thought we got over this months ago, pretty sure there are post from Pilestedt agreeing that popularity is a bad metric and that they should indeed bring all other weapons up before nerfing the only good ones. If you want to have fun and feel powerfull even in helldive you gotta bring the best tool for the job, they are still slowly taking away the best tools each patch and then wonder why we arent happy with the butterknife thats left. And then there is those weird nerfs like flamethrower where I am like: "Who green lit this????"
I wish they did more with planet types, biomes and mission types. Have fire damage break armor faster on ice planets (fast heat change -> cracking) but fire duration be reduced due to low temp, on flip side have fires burn much longer on hot planets but do less armor dmg (heat resistance). Be creative with additional biomes (metal dust planet that buffs arc weapons in some way, poisen gas planet with gas clouds/wells that when mixed with our gas stuff reacts for an even deadlier one, enviromental factors that can kill us but when used tactically can massively help with enemies, true smoke planets where you and enemies can't see more than a few meter and everything becomes melee combat, idk be creative instead of nerfing shit because "oh look, user data spreadsheet says this is too op" )
If they really want to do spreadsheet balancing, they should make an extensive testing tool that allows you to spawn each enemy type stationary and then test each weapon for:
- weakpoint shots to kill
- normal shots to kill
- average shots to kill
- average kills per mag
- average kills per gun
- time to kill (only interesting for things that don't die one shot)
- time to empty mag by killing
- time to empty gun by killing
- for weapons with aoe, do an aoe test
- for energy based weapons add an additional stat for with overheat+reload and max heat+cool down
Do this for all weapons and all enemy types and you have a solid base on what each gun is best at and at what they suck at, from there you can now adjust parameters and see if the result is what you want and if it impacts something else you didnt expect to get hit from it. A small damage nerf can have drastic changes for one enemy type when suddenly you need 2 instead of 1 or 3 instead of 2 hits, so although it can be less than 5% change it can result in a 50%-33% nerf towards a certain enemy, this table would show exactly things like this.
For all I care, just put the testing range into the game, and let the players do the testing. Just one weapon and one enemy type with different enemy formations to mow through (cricle, half circle, square, close, far away, whatever really), and then record all the stats above, and make a leaderboard for most of them like (headshot, total kills, time needed, etc). You get a huge dataset of average gun performance and peak gun performance, and the community gets something fun to do and be competetive about besides just grinding the same missions over and over.
You'd love my darktide data sets. If we could have done that for helldivers i would have.
The railgun wasnt a crutch, it was a wheelchair.
Sad but true
@@Reginald-sc9tk I have a hard time coming back after it was nerfed... do you think the game will ever become like it was on launch? It seems the devs only ever want to nerf kit, never make it all equally good.
@@MrmaneHax just ran it this weekend, it two shots gunships and still wrecks the bots, especially hulks.
@magnuswarborne7485 It's kinda enjoyable now. It's a bit hard to charge and aim in Helldive because of missile devs.
@@MrmaneHaxit's actually excellent vs bots, and workable vs bugs now. You just need strats for factory striders/bile titans/impalers.
I hope Joel sees this
It has a lot of good advice
Joel couldn't even see himself in the mirror.
Joel isn't the balance dev, he's the events guy. Alexus is the balance guy.
What bothers me the most is that THIS is the SEQUEL to the first Helldivers. They've already done it right once. At first, I couldn't help but gush at everything that paid homage to its predecessor, but the fresh coat of paint has slowly given way to a malformed and mishandled version of the game which I can only assume was built by people who don't quite understand Helldivers 1. I am fully aware that the entire game had to be adapted to a completely different project of massive proportions, but the execution in some key areas is poor, and Arrowhead has been stumbling through patches ever since launch with inadequate awareness and testing of the impacts. Keep in mind, I don't work at Arrowhead, so I have no idea what is going on in there. All I know is the results that they give us. And they're not too great as of late.
One thing I never see people talk about is the hellpods. They accidentally ruin flamethrowers for the sake of "realistic" flame effects, but I STILL can't kill a charger with my perfectly placed gigantic orbital bullet of a resupply pod that I aimed oh so carefully. (Enter tiny orbital precision strike). The Element of Supplies is a fun achievement carried over from the first game, but the new Hellpods are just pipe cleaners against anything other than a Helldiver. The existence of the achievement proves that they didn't just forget about hellpod lethality, but intentionally removed it. Not to mention, you COULD land on tanks and kill them before, but I haven't been able to do that in a while. First Galactic War Hellpods would delete anything you dropped them on (save for the bosses), and it was balanced because it costed you a Stratagem drop. We used to throw our friends at the scary enemies in front of us, but now your Hellpod is better steered away to preserve your paltry life count. This nerf to such a core aspect is deliberately unrealistic and spits in the face of the first game.
And this is not the only instance of this.
Reinforce clutches? Have a team-wide life count and two minute cooldown instead. Have fun carrying your dead team on your back for that cooldown, alone, as we send in a limitless amount of bad guys to your exact location because they know where to find you. And then we'll give you ONE teammate back at a time.
And dying mattered in the first game. Yes, you had infinite lives, but to be dead meant one less Helldiver on the ground. One who could provide support, cover-fire, and most importantly, reinforce the team. Because when the last man fell, the mission ended in failure. You NEEDED TO KNOW the Reinforce code like the buttons on your controller, because speed and accuracy was the only thing preventing mission failure. Yes, dying matters in the sequel, because one less Reinforce charge leaves you closer to the cooldown. But more often than not, I don't care about the life-count until it's low because I'm too focused on not dying to something stupid and having to inconvenience myself with picking up all of my gear. That's what death feels like in the sequel, an inconvenience until the cooldown hits and the Super Destroyer leaves. Then you are ill-prepared for the monumental feat that is surviving a game that is against you in many frustrating ways. No you can't stim while being juggled in the air. No you can't stim until you get up. Sorry, that last laser finished you off. Oh, the ground is so undemocratic that it negates my Democracy Protects.
But wait, there's more.
Resupplies? Lets make that a team-wide stratagem that you can't bring extras of or not at all. I thought they wanted to give us more choices, not less?
Stratagem stacking? Oh no we DEFINITELY can't have that. We'll only acknowledge it's existence enough to remove it, because it's too OP to bring four of the same thing. It's not like you pay for it with less versatility or anything.
Upgrading stratagems directly? Nah, we decided we want to give you one extra bomb in your already high count bomb runs, because one extra cluster is guaranteed to kill the 8 dudes who just ate all of it and more. Isn't that so much better than being able to make it anti-tank or reduce call-in time or anything meaningful? To be fair, most of the upgrades are good (like +1 extra eagle uses). But that one is just a joke. And also I still can't directly upgrade my Stratagems and weapons.
Easy to use support packs? How about you do the mount-dismount dance on your buddy instead. You don't need a reload right this second, do you?
A Lift-850 that runs on fuel? Hell no, we spent 100 years devolving it into the Jump Pack with a painfully long cooldown, because we can't give you actual mobility. We're too busy trying to take it away with MORE ROCKETS.
Interesting new or old enemies? MORE ROCKETS! (Also Impaler, credit where it's due)
Booster choices? No, we'd rather make your alternatives so weak that all you can do is run the main ones. 1-4 extra reinforces is an equal tradeoff to Vitality or Hellpod Space Optimization. Talk about not wanting us to funnel into the same gear. Did Arrowhead forget about boosters over in the balance department?
And since I can't keep my hands off of this post, let's talk about Stims. In the first game, you had a big healthbar split in two. Once you dropped below half, you were downed and had five options:
1. Fire your secondary to defend yourself
2. Throw grenades
3. Call in Stratagems
4. Spam X to get back up
5. Crawl to a teammate so they could pick you up
There were no Stims. No personal healing items. So how did we veterans survive combat in the First Galactic War without our power drugs? Simple, we didn't need them. You never needed to eat Rocket spam or survive 20 Hunters all lunging at the same time. You were never THAT doomed.
So what does this have to do with Stims? I believe they are a glorified band-aid crutch both figuratively and literally, and for both the players and Arrowhead. They enable one to survive most anything non-fatal, effectively making you near invincible whilst active. They allow you to make mistakes, because all you have to do is shove some juice into your neck and it's all better. And on the flip-side, it allows and requires the enemies to be more offensive and lethal, because they either need to drain your Stim count or blow you off the face of the planet to kill you. Thus, you must eat Stims like candy or succumb to the un-limited Rockets, Lasers, Hunters or Shriekers or that one Stalker who thinks he's the main character because Arrowhead why did you think your little acid spit and run guy needed to get an Elucidator in one hand and a Dark Repulsor in the other?
If you took away Stims and replaced them with a passive regeneration, many Helldivers would not survive high difficulty missions, let-alone complete them. One bad move and the Rockets fly. Too stressed to outmaneuver the Hunters and they jump you. Far enough away from the waterfall of bug puke visually but not enough to escape it's far reaching Fascism, which engulfs you and reduces your body, armor and all into a puddle of acid.
Stims were a very dangerous design choice that needed to be handled with the utmost care, and unfortunately, the game and it's players are now addicted to it, contrary to what Permacura says. One does not simply "fix the game."
There are good reasons that the sequel can't replace the original, and it's not just because we can't all scream at the same screen. Helldivers is at it's best with a full party on the highest achievable difficulty.
And Helldivers 1 is laughably nightmarish, but miraculously possible. The enemies could so easily overwhelm you, but you never felt utterly helpless, because your weaponry was just enough to hold them back, and until the last man fell, your victory was inevitable. Even when things went from bad to worse to literal Hell, you couldn't help but laugh and scream anxiously at the hopeless situation as you fought tooth and nail to survive, because dying mattered.
Helldivers 2 is just helplessly impossible due to the unrealistically weak weaponry leaving you ill-equipped to deal with the constant Hell that is patrol and reinforcement spam multiplied by player nerfing attacks like rockets and acid all so that they can chew through you before you are allowed to Stim.
The major differences between the games boil down to control:
In every conflict of the First Galactic War, Helldivers have near-complete control over themselves (looking at you "can't jump"). Rarely did one find themselves in a situation where they couldn't at least do something to help the team, even as a last stand. Death was an inevitably caused only by a series of unfortunate mistakes.
Every conflict of the Second Galactic War is best avoided, because control is very difficult to keep a firm grasp on. To be ragdolled is a death sentence, and not the one where you can fight back. To be stuck in or under anything is death. To have your Eagle kill 5 of the endless horde in front of you is a waste better avoided by doing it yourself. And if you aren't running, it's because you have no legs to run on. Most Helldivers die in an uncontrollably inescapable situation.
I love both games and I still play the sequel. For all of its bugs and disfigured features, it is still a very fun experience if one chooses to accept everything as difficulty and works around it.
What I don't understand is how they have such a great reference and an already awesome game and all they can do is take away what identifies it.
Holy Hell this comment is nearing the length of a video essay script.
Its insane that they nerfed hellpods. They used to be amazing fun. I landed on a hulk and didn't kill it. Stupid change.
Hellpods still work on hulks. I think it got harder. Tanks it very rarely works on and I’m not sure about chargers but I think it can open their back armor.
@@GnarledStaffIt shouldn't be that hard. It should do the same damage as orbital precision strike.
I also like to compare the weapons in HD1 and 2. Most weapons packed some MAJOR punch in 1 and most anti tank was able to 1 shot basically everything reliably. The recoilless rifle in 2 is a joke compared to the first, also things like the tumbler, tox, C4 etc were very good but not OP since you definitely needed them for higher level missions and almost all of them felt GOOD to use
I like the changes on how you unlock it, i played helldivers past his prime and it sucks to have to do missions on a game that is always on "protect superearth"
But you are absolutely right on in the stacking part, i tried to use both exo suits and i felt so betreyed that i could use only one and the cooldown is horrible compared to the amount of bullets you get, the resupplies i think it fits the coop even thou it can be annoying if the team don't work together and call supplys all the time and leave you empty
I really dislike that their weapon balancing is simply just nerf the guns that work well and don’t buff anything else. As of now, most ARs are hot garbage. They’re supposed to be for getting rid of the small enemies, but with such low magazine sizes and only having a few mags, you run out of ammo after 1 minute of fighting a singly bug breach or drop ship. The and we shouldn’t just be, “use the stratagems”, because then what’s the point of having the AR then if using stratagems is the only viable answer for fighting the horde of smaller enemies?
Exactly.
The devs' idea of fun is watching players ragdoll cartwheel into orbit. You know, JuSt LiKe ReAl LiFe.
Hahaha
Exactly...
It's crazy. The patch actually did come with some fairly neat changes to things and strategems, but all of that is overshadowed completely by AH's inability to leave good stuff unfucked with.
7 and 8 is the hold ground and have fun fighting difficulty, but they want to force the run away meta of 9 and 10 onto lower difficulties. Just, why?
Why are you all so salty over these tiny nerfs?
The IB still has the same dmg and ability to hit everything a mile away with your eyes closed
Its a dot weapon with weak pellets and yet everyone empties their clip into anything that moves
The flamer still takes out chargers from the front and still burns bugs and bots alike as usual
Everyone complains about how the fire looks now which is fine if they dont but you really want me to believe to suddenly care what the fire looks like?
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062I guess people want to be able to both tap fire for pretty much the best horde clear in the game, AND mag dump to continously dps heavies
@@peterstedman6140 that sounds like fixing every problem with the same tool
@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 yeah for sure
@@peterstedman6140 i know its random but do you feel its time AH changes the amount of armor and durability? I feel that is the main obstacle to primaries having weight on our power budget
The fire breaker can pop a charger's weak point in one clip but most primaries cant. How much resistance do weak points truly need? It feels like sacrilege but maybe its time we start questioning this topic
I think just about the last thing you said is the biggest problem. High level games are pandemonium and the only way to really win them is to play super conservatively and know when not to pick fights - which isn't fun. Particularly it's not fun because when you know what you're doing it's not really all that challenging most of the time unless you really get pinched.
But even though people can play lower level missions where you can push and can take all the fights you want, and not have to deal with the big elites, they don't for whatever reason, there's like a psychological refusal for it. Or it's because it's become boring because it's easy.
Super Samples. After a certain point, playing anything under D6 is just directly stopping your progression. I just finished a D6 with 3 lvl 15's, I'm lvl 76 and D6 is where I hang mostly, and they aren;t the first lvl 15s I've seen here by far. They'll be trying to farm D9 in no time hopin to farm Super Samples faster.
I think the lower levels just get boring after a while but it seems to me the issue there, after some reflection, is that the gameplay radically shifts from difficulty 6-7 to 9-10. The game you were playing gets deleted and you're suddenly playing a different one. That's not good progression. Good progression adds complexity, it doesn't remove tools.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I think we're dancing around an idea though, which is more variance in high level games. I think the big problem is having your kit constricted to I need a 500kg to one tap a BT and I need eats or an equivalent and now I have maybe two-ish flex slots but something needs to kill tanks otherwise I'm SOFT LOCKED.
The difference between hd2 and DT for instance is in darktide you can kind of get yourself out of a sticky situation without entirely relying on luck (sometimes a net does just get you dirty).
All that said I don't think they need to increase damage or effectiveness of guns. I think they need to A) give you a hint at what you're fighting in the matchup so you can counter pick and B) possibly along with the first thing make it so you can choose to fight as many hordes of weaker mobs as you can. and C) implement a very complex mêlée system
I agree with all of this, yet still have no faith they will make lasting change for the better. Key phrase there... Lasting change. I'm sure they will make a small buff patch soon after backlash, but I believe they'll be back with more nerfs as this has been their pattern.
Such a strange pattern.
Using a fully automatic shotgun with basically Dragonsbreath was my ultimate American finds himself in Starship Troopers fantasy. I don’t have that anymore.
You do except it just has 2 less mags. Still an unnecessary change.
So dramatic
@@DestronGaming1213It's an unnecessary change for a problem that didn't exist and wasn't solved. People are still gonna use it, it's just a little bit worse now, so what was the point even?
@@supermanlymaningtonman3507make it slightly slower to reach lvl 50 or so where you unlock everything then stop playing
@@DestronGaming1213Boot leather doesn't actually taste that good buddy.
One thing I think needs to be changed is how patrols work. As Reginald said there's no much point in engaging bases around the map that don't have an objective in them because they just increase the random spawn density on the map for no benefit. I think enemy bases should be the primary source of enemy presence on the map, and taking them out directly reduces the enemy's ability to generate new patrols. To keep things interesting maybe the dropship/bug hole cooldown timer decreases and the duration increases as bases are destroyed. That way you can clear sections of the map to make maneuvering easier but if you mess up and let reinforcements get called you're in for a hell of a fight (assuming Reginald's suggestions of actually being able to beat the ensuing waves of enemies are implemented).
I would love enemy bases being more meaningful. Right now they just produce like 1 guy every minute and he waddles to map center. They also replace dead guards really fast which is its own issue.
AFAIK that's already the case. Enemy bases serves as an origin point for enemy patrols, so by removing them, you're making your life easier when you complete the mission and patrol spawn rate spikes.
I have bigger problem that you generally don't have to interact with enemy base, since one 380 thrown from afar is usually enough to clear even megabases now.
Two things:
If you make the game "easier" by having more lower enemies, that would naturally encourage the lower difficulty playing players to try harder difficulties, leading to natural progression, while also making player feel powerful
The idea of armor and durable damage and what not, extra stats they have for weapon which are NOT shown to the players, is imho the worst decision that they made, not only does it create confusion, but it makes you feel cheated, resulting to "why the f**k does this weapon exist". Information is key for the understanding and lack of, leads to the feeling we have right now.
I like the fantasy of having to use all of your shit to effectively fight the enemy (and I mean completely use all of your ammo, stratagems, and grenades). I think Helldivers achieves that most of the time for me where I feel like I'm having to play optimally to barely survive--which I think is good.
BUT, I think the form that barely surviving takes is often unsatisfactory. I want to barely survive as in "I used all the tools at my disposal to hold onto the objective just by the skin of my teeth," and not as in "I used all the tools at my disposal to kill 2-3 bile titans but now there are 2 more and I'm out of shit for 180 seconds." I like that enemies pose a threat and are hard to kill but that's only as fun for as long as I CAN kill them.
I feel like I'm properly engaged while fighting, but taking fights often necessitates running away in the middle of them. So I fight, feel good, run away, do nothing till cooldowns refresh and ammo is restocked, reengage, repeat. It would be nice to feel like I could reliably finish a prolonged fight on top with the tools at my disposal. But a long fight is almost always a losing fight.
I think one of the biggest issues to me is that some weak spots don't feel weak. Bots do this mostly ok where a few shots to a vent or a hulk's eye take them down in a reasonable amount of shots. But on bugs I can throw an impact in a bile titans fucking mouth while it's spitting at me and it doesn't even flinch lol. A bile titan only falls over if you put two eats and a nuke in its mouth, and that's just not sustainable if there are more than 2 in an area. I think they could implement the damage buffs proposed in this video by just making weak spots take more damage. Have cracked armor actually matter, let some primaries do appreciable damage to a hulk's eye, maybe let a well placed rocket down a bile titan's esophagus blow the whole thing up from the inside, or give us some more soft squishy parts or exposed wires to shoot with primaries.
I want good Helldivers chaos, but I want to be able to carve a path through it with the right amount of knowledge and some well placed air strikes. As is, even if I play well--or perfectly--I don't have enough firepower to kill everything that comes at an objective on higher levels. Running away shouldn't be a near-necessity in all fights longer than 3-4 minutes. I like your 70% number for fights you should feel reasonably confident in winning--even if there's a drop.
balance is the fastest way to make a negative and toxic community
I would love to see a system in Helldivers 2 where killing hordes of enemies actually impacts the outcome of the war. Currently, the recovery system of the planets feels stagnant and uninspiring, as it’s primarily dependent on completing missions. Enemy numbers and kill counts often don’t matter, which discourages engaging in combat and encourages players to simply run away. This approach can be frustrating for those who prefer a more action-oriented playstyle and enjoy battling the enemy hordes.
My suggestion is to introduce a planetary kill counter. For example, the enemy could start with a set number of troops-say, one million-to defend or attack a planet. If players inflict significant casualties, the enemy’s ability to defend the planet would be severely compromised, and the planet’s recovery progress would take a major hit, potentially even dropping to zero. However, the system wouldn’t stop there. Enemies could launch reinforcement missions via supply lines to replenish their numbers, thereby boosting the planet’s recovery once again. This dynamic would add depth to the gameplay, making every kill count and giving more importance to the ongoing battle beyond just completing missions.
Without watching the video, I think honestly the fact we keep having to negotiate IS the fucking problem.
We move from niche to niche, strategy to strategy in an never ending attempt to escape the nerfbat. I've already played games like that. The only way to stop it is just to stop playing.
ESO, a MMO with this problem finally broke after they realized they just couldn't survive another mass exodus. This game I don't think will be in a position to survive the slow bleed it's generating.
100% devs are so scared of the game being "ruined" by a new strategy that they force their players to play in the *exact* way the devs "think it should be played" leading players to leave and find something actually fun to play. Its awful in games like ESO because of the time investment in making a build only to have it nerfed into uselessness, when they should just make cool new builds/strategies (kinda like warframe) viable so players have something else to work towards.
@@YikesMb ESO however managed to stop after there were mass exoduses. At this point, it's geting to the point where it seems like this game will end up with a small but dedicated fanbase: If not because that's what they want, it's because that will force them not to piss them off.
Has ESO actually gotten better about that? I was an old trifecta raider that was part of said exodus.
@@xXGCB38Xx Slightly.
They haven't done anything major, since High Isle and Firesong. That exodus clearly scared the living daylights out of them. Hell, they're trying to suck up to Raiders given the quakecon stream had commentated speedruns of the latest trial.
If you're interested in coming back, it's been about two years without major fuckery.
Lucent citadel is a compitent trial if nowhere near the top of the difficulty tree.
Keep in mind they also had to tone down content drops, so we get one dungeon DLC and one chapter per year.
@@darkspawnsenior9488 good to know. I'll keep and eye on it again.
Whats funny is, the game DID have some mechnical depth. Mantling out of bug holes was an interesting skill based way to maneuver around enemies.
Butv ofcourse, that got removed very early in the games life.
Remember when you could put turrets on cliffs so that they were actually functional and effective...? Those were the days...
@@theravenousrabbit3671 true. I still dont understand why they dont make stratigems sticky. I even remember the number of times I've wanted to put my stratagem on an enemy or objective only for it to bounce and land somewhere else.
a "cool" thing you could and can still do, is put support weapon stratigems on chargers, which track onto the charger itself. Often times it deals big damage or kills the charger too. But its not consistent because its probably not an "intended" interaction.
@@elfireii328it is an intended interaction. There’s an achievement for killing a charger with a “supply pod” (resupply, support weapon)
@@Psion_Phoenix sticking to chargers isnt intended though. Also the supply pod doesnt follow the charger if it sticks onto it last time I tried. You have to throw it, and lead the charger to where it drops. The stun grenade it in place. It doesnt one shot if it hits the body though.
If they want the game to highlight the horror of the situation, why not just....make the game scarier?, imagine disembowling a titan and haveing it still lumber at you, have your diver have even crazier voice lines, they have them, but my character tends to move on and go back to "hell yeah, fuck bugs" have them genuinely lose their mind, start shaking, their rapid breaths, winces of pain, heart beating through their chest, mixing with the sound track and playing in our ears, as you the player force their body to just keep moving forward, idol animations playing, lets say when you stop they put their hands on their knees to catch their breath, until you put in another input, head hanging low, just trying desperately to pull air through their helmets filters, add new crouching and laying down idols aswell, during quiet moments have our diver maybe cry for a moment breaking down before pulling themself back together, and more battle damage, completely cosmetic, but scratches, missing bits of armor, torn fabric would go a long way to showing how horrible this all is, while keeping the players fun intact, you can let us be a badass without making it a power fantasy
And it would turn off most people from the game too.
It's a neat idea for an atmospheric game about the horror of war and ptsd of course, but absolutely impossible to implement in a multi-player game that asks its players to play it for months on end
Like, unless you're completely desensitized it would end up taking a toll on most people's enthusiasm for the game
It's becoming more and more apparent that there is an internal disconnect inside Arrowhead, between the game designers (the ones who come up with and create content for the game) and the final pass and balance team not to mention the disconnect with the players, while yes they obviously have a vision for the game it feels alot of the time their vision is in direct oppoistion to what the players want. I mean I would seriously love to hear the thought process behind creating a flame weapon themed warbond and 2 days before it's release completely rework and nerf flamebased weaponary to the point of uselessness. Also something that I feel no one is really talking about but it very much stuck out to me. Did you not think, especially with the wording used in the preview trailer for Esclalation of Freedom "have we told you everything ? of course not" and "there are going to be many more surprises in Escalation of Freedom", that we were going to get more ? I honestly thought this was going to be the equivelent of the Helldivers Mobilize warbond or the release of a bunch of stratagems or something. Don't get me wrong the new content is good and very much needed, but I'm still waiting for the "surprises". However credit where credits due, setting up the feedback form for the people in the community to voice their opinons is an amazing thing to do and something that hardly any dev teams do, they are trying to listen to us and take on our feed back, unlike the Darktide team Fatshark... who wrote a post to us saying they are going on their summer holidays and not to bother them...
If I have to guess, the surprises might be illuminate, we already have leaked voicelines mentioning them and the war is at a point where we are fighting on both the bots and bugs for the MO
My requirement to primary weapons are:
1) explosive and/or medium penetration;
2) staggers enemies;
3) can oneshot basic enemies in a body;
If it lacks any of this, for me they are unplayable in a curent state of the game. That is why I can't play with any assault rifle and SMG. Even Incendiary Breaker is not satisfying enough
what difficulty do you play on and what faction?
@@thepope2412 both bugs and bots, usually Difficulty 7, but when friends start Helldive 9, my loadouts stay the same
The Blitzer checks those boxes, but most don't use it because of the lightning mechanic which is fair.
yeah, they either need to make the ARs have 60 rounds and a quicker reload, or up their damage so you don't spend a third of a mag on light enemies, hell the new flamethrower primary takes a third of a tank to kill one hunter, i and since it's such short range I just punch them because that's quicker
@@ghoulzi2127 yep, I use Blitzer against bugs quite a lot. Wide range stagger allow for a good crowd control for a primary and turns spewers into a joke (even one "pellet" can cancel their vomit), but at the same time in can oneshot hunters if all five "pellets" hit them
Honestly thank you for making this video, it's beyond refreshing to hear someone put forward suggestions for fixes for the game's issues rather than just posting an unconstructive rant. I really think you're right on the money with some of the changes you've suggested.
I don’t think arrowhead would listen to either
Its always my goal to focus on what would make things better. I did have to rant to explain why change is needed but my real purpose here was definitely to make some solid suggestions.
i swear, they need to hire this man the ideas and the indepth analysis is so professionally done!
Thank you Reginald for making easily one of the best videos on this topic. I love this game to death and I want it to succeed but the community is so negative it makes me not want to play anymore sometimes. Your actual constructive feedback and suggestions are perfect and something other people need to learn from and it keeps me hopeful in this game moving forward. Keep up the incredible work.
@Reginald-sc9tk, I am among those who still love this game and hopes it stands the test of time. ❤ Thank you for still being here and for it all. We still are.
You took the words right out of my mouth, I recently blocked both of the helldivers subreddits because the nonstop unconstructive screaming was killing my desire to play the game. Right now I honestly can't help but feel the negativity in the community is doing more harm to the game that Arrowhead's goofy decisions.
My goal is always to aim at solid advice for how to improve things. I have my gripes but mostly I just wanted to create a strong arguement for why the changes need to be made, rather than just complain a bunch.
@@cas9656 I love this game. I hate the reddit.
People that spent and continue to spend money in the game shouldn't speak their mind. 🙄
The devs wish they could have a fan base of loyal boot shiners.
I agree with what you said about how you feel playing this game: helpless. I've said this before and I'll say it again, they also need to STOP taking away our mag count. Current military basic combat loads are 6 mags. 6 MAGS AT LEAST. I refuse to believe battle-hardened space Soldiers will bring less than 6 mags to an environment that we see is getting more and more dicey.
Man that drives me up a wall too. Please do base 6 and booster to 9.
Here’s hoping they do literally any of this
this is probably one of the more well thought out ideas to me. i feel they should limit how much elites there are while each elite doesn't truly 'disappear' until x seconds later with higher difficulties lessening the time.
I’ve defended the game and devs and tried to work with nerds and enemy buffs. I gotta say I love the game but you’ve nailed it. The fun is being rinsed from the game at an epic rate. I glad you are nailing the issues and making good suggestions
I've been playing it since a few days after it launched and I agree with everything you said. The latest patch is awful and ive run into multiple code bugs already and game crashes. One bug was the Hulk's flamer firing through solid cover (enormous boulders in this case and just cooking me). Another is still present whereby shots do not line up with your crosshairs - hit boxes are all over the place. And that really does mean the difference between you pacifying an area to complete an objective easily, or your shot just not hitting and the bots/bugs letting of their signal for mass reinforcements to arrive in less than 10 seconds which screws up your whole plan.
I'm tired of the bugs heavy chargers having the agility of a cat where before it was more akin to a charging rhino.
The 500lbs bomb is just a puff to the enemies if it isnt a direct hit, the results are far too inconsistent.
Then theres the insta-spawns right at your feet where the enemy just pancakes you amongst other things.
Weapon nerf is growing really tiresome when all of our enemies are tank types who sponge up all of your shots and utilise mass wave attacks. The rot started when the devs nerfed the railgun - its a railgun, how could it possibly be nerfed? Its a RAILGUN. The whole idea is that is stupidily OP and thats fine when a either a single player or a team of four have to content with literally hundreds of armoured enemies.
The only way ive found to be somewhat effective at level 8 diff and above is to stay with utilising combined arms warfare (which makes sense anyway), but even that now just isnt enough and the fun aspect of it all is going dry for me.
Worse to come, the devs have given the bots mechanised MRLS which means they'll be vacuum bombing the living crap out of us as well.
In summary, its gotten tiring because the enemies have a vast spectrum of overkill units for multiple scenarios and we dont:
Bots -
-Persistent on station air cover from their gunships.
- Two tank variants.
- MRLS.
- Hulks (heavy armoured)
- Chainsaw Chargers with hand canons (medium armoured)
- Walkers with heavier canons and now missiles attached to them (medium armoured).
- Jumpers that eliminate all distance ans cover between you and their advancing hordes. They also blow up in your face if critically damaged.
- Double bladed bots that just charge at you and slice you up/stab you to death.
- Heavy machine guns on heavy armoured units behind massive metal shields.
- Similar units, no shield but mounted rapid fire missile systems on their shoulders and machine guns on their arms.
- Two types of grunts, both equipped with automatic rifles and both of which can operate stationary machine gun emplacements.
Bugs - list of their capabilities especially after the patch is too long, im not going to bother 😒
Helldivers:
- Rifles that use half a magazine of ammunition just to kill one or two enemies.
- Orbital ships with fighter aircraft yet we cannot main air superiority. Makes no sense what so ever 😮💨 we need a new strategem that can give us air assets that provide us air cover for a few minutes.
- Restricting ammuntion a bit too much, again makes no sense.
- weapons that are rountinely nerfed when our enemies totally outnumber us, have better armour than us, completely outgun/outclass us, and all focus on mass wave attacks....
- weapons that dont actually hit the target in the crosshairs.
- armour and clothing that catches on fire at the sligjtest ember. Even the new stuff they just released, you're just able to burn FOR LONGER as opposed to not burning at all for a certain duration. Makes no sense at all.
- our stagger is not a stagger at all but a total ragdoll and we can hardly do the same to our enemies without the use of heavy weaponry/strategems and even then its sporadic at best.
Im getting bored of typing now. 😒
I completely agree with all of your points, I've been playing since launch and have to force myself to try and not play the game but it always felt like AH didn't want the game to be too fun. The Crossbow and Eruptor are great examples of this where their intrinsic traits were neutered because some reason. They try to make the game balanced by throwing off the balancing and reducing viable options to force us to use bad ones. They have no idea how to balance a weapon around their intrinsic traits because the Liberator Concussive lost half of it's rpm from base and their solution was to increase the damage which isn't what they did when translating the Defender into the Pummeler. The Plasma Punisher had a unique skill ceiling that made it interesting from other weapons and instead of leaning into that AH increases the projectile velocity instead of rewarding skilled players. Any weapon that is bolt action is at a disadvantage out the gate because it is better to just reload them before you are empty which the game discourages. For some reason the best armor to run against the bugs is explosive resist armor because bile and spew is explosive damage for some reason. Why don't I get a mission modifier for when I am only going to get Bile Spewers, the whole map would light up green and they have medium armor so I have to build my loadout because I might have a chance of getting all Bile Spewers, and on top of that, why can't I see a few Bile Spewers without having them be the only spawn do the bugs not understand what a support role is?
I agree with all of this video. The amount of chargers, bile titans and other elite heavy bugs that show up on and each require a specific amount of AT hits in very select spots as they run or move across the map heads bobbing side to side so you miss is overwhelming. It's coming down to ok use the quasar, shoot the bile titan in the head, it missed just enough to not count as a headshot, run as it cools down. As it cools down you get rolled by the chargers or bile spitters that make no noise. Ok survived just enough to use the quasar again, annnnnd the bile titan takes it to the face but it needs 1-2 more shots to the face as you get rolled or just run laps until the cool down is done. Rinse and repeat for 40 minutes.
Thank you SO much for the crossbow aoe mention
I was just starting to like it when they nerfed it hahaha
I want a change on 500KG, though really powerful, it's aoe is questionably small. If it’s me, I will make it orbital (so it can only have one use even with upgradd), make the explosion really really big and has shockwave that push you to the ground. And it will have diabolical cooldown and droptime that every time you drop 500KG it will be a spectacle.
And I agree on the visual and audio cues part, I can’t count how many times I died because a charger snuck up on me and crushed me. I think the only enemy that should be allowed to do this is stalker, but put an audio before they attack or something. I think this is why I prefer fighting bots, and still I have a lot of problems with unseen missiles. Please, make everything have distinct noise.
I agree, at least mostly.
Less ragdolls would be nice, especially on stalkers. They ragdoll and stun you for so long that its effectively a stun-lock. They block any shots to their face with their claws too so they just don't die. Even when you do finally land hits, they go invisible and regen all their hp. Stalker Rant over. All the new enemies, except the alpha warrior, that were added in escalation of freedom ragdoll you. Impalers ragdoll you whether or not their tentacles hit. Missile tanks basically always one tap you, but if they don't you get ragdolled and throw into a wall and die from the impact. Alpha commanders have their charge. Rocket scouts are the least offensive of them all, but they do as well. General ragdolls are just too common and overtuned and there are lots of just stun locks when they do hit you.
Less big enemies and more hordes is a good idea. Part of the reason heavy armors can just suck so hard is all the big enemies just run you over no matter your armor value. You can't get away from the 20 heavy enemies. You seem to have to dedicate at least half your stratagems to anti-tank to stand a chance but its often still not enough, so 3 slots is basically what is required. While I do think the breaker incendiary nerf wasn't really that bad, its partially because it never affected big enemies anyways so its nerf changed almost nothing. More interesting small enemies would also be very nice to fight, alpha warriors are a good step in that direction all though them being faster than most armors is probably a bad thing.
Holding your ground being viable would be nice. Less ragdolls would help this as you wouldn't get throw 50 meters by one stalker smacking you through a wall. (Ha, I'm still ranting about stalkers). Less big enemies would also help this. Something like giving the hmg emplacement a shield like the ones bots have on their emplacements could help. General tankiness increase for mechs would also help with this. Heavy armor truly feeling heavier and allow you to take shots would assist this.
I don't actually mind how effective any weapon we currently have is against any single enemy. I view the balance of the primaries as okay, until anything big shows up. Secondaries having basically the same firepower as primaries but just having less ammo is also kind of weird. Support weapons do actually seem to provide support at this point. They end up just being the primary. That's fine with something like the stalwart or autocannon which both actually feel like they were more meant to be bigger primaries, but this applies to all of them including the spear or recoilless.
I will also just say, I feel like part of the overly negative sentament of the player is people who don't vary their loadouts at all. I've met some who still use nothing but the quasar for their support weapon and constantly complain about the one nerf it got. It would be nice if more people varied their loadouts more and maybe making more small enemies and less big enemies would help.
It was state that the reason the eruptor shrapnel was removed was it randomly one shotting team mates, which was not fun I will say. Getting killed because my team mate shot something even remotely close to me was not fun. I hope they bring back the shrapnel eventually once they can make that not happen.
I am also of the belief that the flamethrower change was very much an engine restriction to prevent the torcher and crisper from killing heavy enemies. I hope they figure out a way to buff the flamethrower to compensate for this or manage to update the engine so they can have different fire.
There's player feedback forms in the Discord, right? We should get the word out there, I think. The devs need to know.
I'd certainly appreciate any help in that regards. I'm not nearly as plugged into the HD2 community as the DT one.
That's a quick way to get banned from the Discord.
Everybody, please interact with this video! Push the algorithm so more people can see this and spread awareness of these issues!
This is great feedback, i hope you used the feedback form they just opened up om their discord to get across these thoughts as well in case the devs dont see this video.
Very well said.
It's incredible how well Darktide tells you what is happening, be it sound or visual. The only times in Darktide I feel like I couldn't react to something in time is when an audio cue bugs and doesn't play. Even in the most chaotic T5 Auric Maelstrom situations I always feel in control of what is happening and know what to do.
About the call-ins. I think the game could stand to learn stuff from Deep rock galactic. That game has a good flow of downtime and hordes, while also making it so killing the horde is always the best option (save for one or two game modes).
This game would work much better if the most dangerous enemies were small and fast to kill. Missions only get hard when they become a slog and you cant kill enemies as fast as they spawn because everything is so tanky.
Welcome back Reg, it's good to see you still care about this game despite the obvious problems it has. Many of us love this game and what it has to offer, but with every update, it seems to be one step forward and two steps back.
I'm personally heartbroken with what they did to my baby, the flamer, I loved that damn thing it felt so good to use. It was my favorite weapon because it was effective against almost everything, at least with terminids. The way it is now... you put it best, it's just not as fun. Fun is more important than balance. Balance can be had but if it is at the cost of having fun, then what is even the point?
Hope the devs are listening because you speak for all of us here, we aren't happy with the game we've grown to love and that should be incredibly alarming for Arrowhead as a business that relies on us to keep going.
I was extremely saddened by the nerfs to the arc thrower. It was briefly a super fun weapon then became dumpstered immediately.
@@Reginald-sc9tk I loved the arc thrower too, it is a weapon I found at the heyday of this game to be a great comparison to the flamer in terms of risk versus reward. You pose a danger to your team but if you're careful you could mean the difference in a fight. It was a layer of depth that's been removed and has just made it... lame. And make stealth an option! This game plays just like MGS:V after all. I wish the devs would work on cool shit like that instead of worrying about weapons being "realistic"
Whoever is recommending the nerfs please sit down and play the game after you nerf something in test and tell the players/community "Yes I am having fun". If you can't do this then that nerf is not worth putting into the game. The player base wouldn't be half as angry if the devs could actually explain what method they're using to decide on buffs and nerfs. Just test the freaking nerfs with a controlled player base before rolling them out and got some honest opinions.
I agree, the railgun nerf was the start of all this
Game was so fun back then everyone quickly forgave this to devs. Like "well they are just making baby mistakes, they will learn! game is about to be game of the year!!"
But then more nerfs
More nerfs
And those nerfs were only on fun guns
Tons of miniscule buffs like "recoil is now not 31 but 27"
Duh...I've never in my 20+ years of gaming seen such an indomitable will from devs to push their "vision of a perfect game" like a bulldozer, not listening to no one.
@@LaserTractor siege balancing style
It's nerf or nothin'
why not buff other options to make it easier to not run this, why nerf the fun away? *The Vision*
people play this too much, let us nerf it instead of finding out why people gravitate towards it.
We really gotta link this video to Arrowhead Devs, in volume.
I wouldn't know how.
I don't know for sure, but I've always felt like some call-in's are automatic. Like, it _appears_ that you didn't kill the enemy on time. But in reality, the game is keeping a clock going, and it's decided it's been enough time, and they call it in the second you make the mistake of shooting at one of them. I don't know for sure, but I've played 200 hrs, and I swear, some call-ins are basically instant, triggered the moment the enemy becomes aware of you, and some call-ins, you can stop them and quench the fire before it starts.
I know patrols have spawn in mechanics that are timed but man the way bugs do call-ins is insane
I was wondering why I was having more fun in Deep Rock Galactic than Helldivers. There's not enough PVE engagement!
Hell, I had to do a Personal Order today where I had to kill 10 enemies with the Expendable Anti-Tank, and the EAT were HORRIBLE. The splash damage from the rockets wasn't even able to kill SCAVENGERS. *SCAVENGERS.*
I think all of these points are pretty accurate. Helldivers 2 isn't a COOP PVE, it's more of a "Run away from your heavy orbital and air strikes that do the killing for you while you have barely enough munitions to defend yourself against the fifty bugs/bots swarming around you and tearing you apart like a piece of paper."
And considering they JUST released a new difficulty, with nerfs to a lot of weapons, that doesn't really bode well.
That is the funny part to me, they tuned their new difficulty... before nerfing a pile of weapons. They nerfed fire, right before a paid fire weapons pack.
Really like the idea of adding new dangerous *light* enemies, instead of just constantly releasing new armored sponges
One of the things I miss from helldivers 1 is the ability to upgrade your weapons and stratagems. Mostly every primary could be upgraded to have medium armor penetrating along with other buffs. It would also give us another use for requisition slips and/or medals
I share your sentiment and want to add that I feel like we could also do with a recharging shield mechanic, not as in the strategem, but like on every armour by default. Would be very useful in situations where you get attacked from behind and have no time to react snowballing in you getting attacked in all fronts, or in other times when you need a little bit more forgiveness in repositioning. Popping a stim for every bit of damage because you are afraid you might get one shot or stun locked in the very next encounter is rough. There's actually a GDC talk on god of war, and how the change from an isometric view to a on shoulder camera angle made so you get attacked by enemies from behind and could not do anything about it, and how visual and audio cues helped them solve it, as well as enemies do less damage when the player is not looking at them which is pretty smart, and made the combat feel more fair
The railgun days were fun days 😔
It still is. It was good after the "nerf", it just required skill to use since you couldn't just leave it in Safe Mode (it could still 1 shot Hulks). And the railgun has since only received buffs.
Here are some Ideas 💡
For Bots: More focus on light infantry. Rocket Raider's launcher should be a One-Time shot like an EAT. Rocket Devastors should eventually run out of ammo. No one likes being pinned down by a Horde of Rocket Devastors that fires an Endless Salvo of missiles at you. Mini-Gun Devastors should also run out of ammo or have their barrels overheat.
For Bugs: Mostly good as is, though the Hunters needs just a little nerf, either nerf their unnatural ability to land headshots 80% of the time or nerf the duration of their slow because that's what the little bile spitter is supposed to do. Nursery/Blie Spewers need to have a cool down of how often they can spew bile before they have to wait to spam their bile at you again. Bile spewers need to be less tanky from the back and sides, like a Hive Guard or have less of them Spawning in a bug breach. How a Bile Spewer can tank an EAT to the face, but a Charger can't is beyond me. Stalkers should have Glowing Green Blood and leave blood trails. Stalkers should also be able to mimic another Helldiver's Voice and Ping. Imagine a Stalker Pinging you with a "Follow Me" ping.
Secondary Objectives: Since Devs wants us to rely more on Stratagems, there should be secondary objectives that allow us to use Certain stratagems, give more Charges to existing stratagems, or reduce the cooldown of stratagems and etc.
One big thing they do need to do though, is to make it so that the "Guard Dog" is able to replenish ammo from ammo packs and not just the Supply Pack. So fucking stupid I swear. And they wonder why no one uses it, such a simple fix.
Also, maybe it's time for a Flamethrower and Arcthrower Rover.
Personally I do not agree with a few things here, but most are good suggestions and or just require a bit of tweaking allow me to explain.
Let us start with the bots, I don't think the Rocket Raiders are that big of a issue, while annoying they do only shoot one rocket at a time and can be plinked off very easily, so I don't think they require any change.
The Rocket Devs on the onther hand are a issue, I've yet to meet a diver that enjoys effectively getting infinitely ragdolled into orbit, so my suggestion for them would be to have them have a reload animation for the rockets that requires them to be static for the animation, this could buy you some time to either get out of the line of fire and or flank them/destroy their rocket pods.
The Heavy Devs are also a problem and I like your suggestion of the overheating mechanic, but I think we can take it one step further, where once the overheat kicks in they hold position and hunker down behind their shields until the minigun cools down, again much like the Rocket Devs this would allow for time to either reposition to cover and or flank and shoot their backpacks out.
Onto the bugs, I agree with your assessment of the hunters, but I have a different tweak to deal with their slow spamming, rather than nerfing the duration of the slow give it a proc chance instead, so not every hit is guaranteed slow but at the same time we have no idea when and or if we will get slowed, I find that to be a better approach as it will not feel like a direct nerf and rather a change in mechanics instead.
As for the Nursery/Blie Spewers I likewise agree with your assessment as well, but I have another idea which I will get into later regarding enemies overall.
I like your idea regarding the blood trail for the Stalkers, it would make them less annoying to track without directly nerfing them, but I disagree on them mimicking divers I think having them mimic other bug units is a better idea and makes more sense thematically, for example imagine hearing the sounds of a Charger and pulling out your AT option to deal with it, only to be met with a Stalker instead where your primary would be the better option to neutralize it.
As for enemies overall, I think the majority of heavier units are bullet sponges overall even when it comes to their weak points, while I don't want to nerf any overall armor values of any units, I think sponginess should remain and then make the weak points actually really weak like paper thin weak, while at the same time making them slightly more difficult to acquire shots on. I think this is the better approach where you don't directly nerf the difficultly of the units, while avoiding the power creep issue when it comes to player weapons, but at the same time would allow what are statistically weak weapons (like the assault rifle lineup) to still be useful for weak point targeting without having to buff them.
I like your thoughts on the secondary objectives, but I'd like to add onto to this as well with another aspect, we get slammed with negative modifiers all the time be they planetary or operational modifiers, so why can we not get positive modifiers as well and have one positive basic modifier when we drop in to counterbalance the negative, while at the same time allowing for the secondaries to provide further positive modifiers? The devs can also counteract our access to them by making the more lucrative positive modifiers harder to achieve, per example destroying ever fab on the map unlocks a faster shuttle call in time and or we are hit with less waves/less numerous amount of enemies at extraction.
I agree with your thoughts on the Guard Dog as well, but it is going to always be garbage as it uses the Liberator as its weapon, in addition to your suggestions I would say the Liberator should be swapped out in favor of either the Stalwart/MG or the Punisher/Breaker, I believe that would at least make it competitive with the Rover lacking any ammo resource requirement as the tradeoff would be higher dps.
Last but not least I am firmly against a arc thrower/flamethrower rover, you're basically just asking for a TPK machine far worse than what the Rover already is. I think a more sensible option (at least for the flamethrower) would be a turret instead as a area denial option, likewise I think some adjustments need to be made to the Tesla Tower, rather than it only firing a single "bolt" that arcs to multiple targets, it could fire 3 or 4 bolts that only target a single target, this would at least give it less down time between shots and make it more effective at area denial.
I appreciate the wave of these videos because they do make valid points that need to be considered in the future.
Finished a drop recently and commented to my fellow divers: "My finger is tired from clicking so much." There is a point where killing an enemy is kind of a chore, there is a loading hint about sending the eagle back when there is "downtime" but often there is barely any and its 40 min clicking nearly constantly.
I think I had the Cookout shotgun equipped, its bad against durable targets that need to die *now* or when the map seed spawns something like Bile Spewers, hell even Hunters don't always die with the fire dot. This is something the I-Breaker had over the other guns, straight up comfort! And something the original Breaker had back then, before its ammo got slash in half.
Not to mention the performance, fps getting lower and lower...
Can you imagine if Fat Shark had the IP to Helldivers. They would take all the stuff they learned from Darktide like sound/visual ques, customize weaponry/character, class system, melee weapons, urban warfare, badass sound track, etc and bring it to Helldivers. I don’t think I’ve seen them make usable vehicles but I’m sure they can figure it out.
except they would bring it to Helldivers over the space of about 2 years.
@@EnterTheFenix and Helldivers is 7 months old already. What devs added in those 7 months? 10 biomes (wnich are really easily made and most of them were made pre game launch to "fit narrative).
Around 7 new stratagems, none of wnich is actual offensive stratagem.
6 Warbonds, 3 of wnich are pretty much useless.
Bugs, Bugs, bugs, glitches, mass amounts of glitches.
8 new enemy types (4 bug types and 4 bot types).
Oh and 6 new objectives and 2 "side" objectives (wnich those main objectives were mostly ONLY for history and never came back).
Tbh, poor amounts of content for "live content" game. Sucks to be AH wnich choosed old dated engine instead of rewriting just around 40% of their code.
maybe 4.
I still think a big part of it is mission design. The maps being laid out in small isolated clumps pushes the idea of run in, complete the objective, and run away. That can't be fixed unless a lot of stuff is changed, however at the very least I would like to see more forced enemy drops when mission objectives are in progress or completed to make the big battles happen (alongside enemy comp changes).
Soil Survey is a good example of this, although imo the drops are too close and don't let the players fortify and defend their position the principle is correct.
If patrols are changed to have it be much easier to stop a breach/drop happening, there needs to be other ways to make battles happen.
the fact that one persons ideas could save the future of a game is crazy... Reginald is the person that really wants to fight for DEMOCRACY!
I think your main point that most of the time the best strategy is to run away is spot on. That's what makes the game repetitive. I think they want people to stay together and work as a team, and when teams stick together it is possible to stomp on patrols and their call-ins, too, but even then not all of the time. The gameplay is really different if one or even two soldiers go off on their own, then the best strategy is basically to avoid everything. I don't think they planned on players splitting up so often. They thought it would be a tactical shooter, but when everyone splits up it turns into a horde shooter for each player. I think this is why the guns feel so underpowered, youre supposed to have 3 other people backing you up. A big part of the fun in HD1 is blasting enemies that are about to overtake your teammates, you can always see them so saving each other happens almost all the time. They might be trying to kill solos in HD2 because the AI can't handle four individual games at once. I play this game way too much and I notice differences in different drops, like sometimes the enemies just stand there and offer no resistance, then suddenly they kill me. Other times the enemy actually seems to oppose me. I think the AI is pretty inconsistent, and that makes picking a loadout a bit of a crapshoot sometimes, like you said you can get hard gated and not really be able to perform in a certain match. But anyway, I think they may have made the game fun on accident.
The environmental audio is really terrible. It isn't just for enemies. I think the game actually silences other teammates stratagem call-ins to increase the "surprise" team kills. There are also "gotcha" spawns that are in places you just cleared, and I think the game restricts enemy audio so that it can just make them appear whenever/wherever. There's also things that seem to trigger one enemy being spawned like hellbombs, once armed a random squishy shows up. The one random bug/bot from nowhere also makes it impossible to post up and lay down fire for teammates, which is basically more encouragement to just keep running all the time. I'd rather see a real ambush or a drop in. Like have them all pop up in gillie suits or maybe drop in with parachutes on or whatever. It can be silent and still be fun, but right now the gotcha spawns actually produce another shitty piece of strategy where the best thing to do is to look at the biggest empty space where enemies would be spawning if you didn't look there, and then run away from whatever group is overwhelming you. I think they should just get rid of static enemies altogether and give them all intelligence, but give us a lot fewer of them, or double every weapon's damage, and that's just for starters.
One more thing, I totally agree about the experimental weapon attributes. I often think, man, my weapons are fucking garbage, I wish I could pick up this rocket pack from this devastator, or grab six bot rifles at once, and blast everything. All of the stop-running reloads need to be removed. At higher difficulties where youre running all the time if you stop to reload youre dead. Hell, I'd like to rip off their body parts and beat them with it while wearing whatever super armor i picked up off the ground. I'd also like laser weapons to cut things off like fruit ninja, or maybe just to melt things and freeze them in place. There's so much potential, but right now its 8 ARs that are all so weak that whichever one is chosen doesn't matter, similar for shotguns.
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I agree with your points. But I will say I run into the "book it" paradigm problem even when 4stacking with bros. Its just how you win. Taking engagements is so suboptimal I practically feel like I have to play wrong on purpose to have fun.
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Darktide gameplay will always win me over. Hopefully, SM 2 will have an amazing gameplay loop.
From what I've seen we are all going to have fun with SM2 but its not going to unseat DT as the leader in tryhard high complexity sweatlorde hordeshooting.
Tbh darktide got boring after a bit with the combination of low content drops+every mission just feeling the exact same gameplay wise
Core gameplay still fun though
@@stormjet814 The trick is to keep diving into harder and harder challenge content. If you haven't beaten a monstrous maelstrom mission with just 2 people and letting the bots die (true duos) then there's a lot of skill depths to delve. Its super fun. Even after having beaten these challenges there's still ways to get better at the game.
@@Reginald-sc9tk yeah that might be my problem, I never really thought about changing it up in that way
this right here
I want to fight the enemy and feel like I'm doing something. It feels like the devs want to give the enemy a ton of advantages, but then when we have advantages a bunch get taken away. "We're nerfing flamethrowers and fire in general because muh realism", but then they make the 500kg feel like a Nerf foam rocket rather than an actual piece of ordinance, which is unrealistic
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Isn't it fun seeing that in every f**king comment section when people say this game is shit?
Its pretty amusing. Like I dunno what people want, I can solo 9s. Even if I couldn't the reality is a wide audience is mad about the same thing. Thats an obvious problem.
@@Reginald-sc9tk
For sure.
Holy shit first youtube video on this game where i felt vindicated. Dude said so many things ive been thinking & wondering about for weeks. Im relatively new & i wanna like this game so bad. But the guns all feel like pea shooters, even the strongest meta weapons do 0 damage if you're not hitting weak spots while being swarmed by 30-50 enemies half of which are armored & ragdolling me into a physics glitch where i have to nade myself out of the bugged physics just to have control of my character again.
Keep preaching my guy i needed to hear this stuff.
Very good ideas. I do personally like the playstyle of being more of an artillery observer, but it does get old having all personal weapons be so inneffective. Having some more diversity in loadouts, specifically the share of power between stratagems/small arms would be nice. It should very much be more viable to just play the game engaging at least most of the enemies you see, as this is how most people probably want to play a game like helldivers
Agreed. I'm a rapidly-aging dude whose brain squirts more happy chemicals by being in the right place at the right time than landing $ikk-n@sty trickshots (because no amount of dedicated training is going to make me consistent at doing the latter, and oh boy have I tried). It's why DotA2 hooked me in a way LoL never did, why "Super Earth Artillery Observer" is also my preferred playstyle, and a big reason why I still love the game to death, despite whatever weird side quest shenanigans appear to be going on right now among the members of the HD2 balance team. But if AH insists on making this playstyle be the "intended experience," then at the very least, said playstyle should be _encouraged_ through hyper lethality on *both* sides -- not clumsily _enforced_ by essentially making 95% of the non-stratagem kit (hell, a decent chunk of the stratagem kit too, for that matter) practically useless past difficulty 6, even as the enemy gains more and varied ways of instantly deleting you out of nowhere. If primaries were more generally useful and powerful in most combat situations, then there could at least be options of engagement that aren't "yeet your barrages and turrets then hide behind a rock," while the high lethality on both sides would still reward patient, methodical, and mechanically unimpressive divers (like myself!) whose kill strategies focus more on seizing key battlefield positions and minimizing effective enemy fire than being The Big Damn Hero™.
This is one of the best detailed takes I've heard about this game, Made me realized how I always want to switch things with my loadout and armor but end up using hit and run support weapon focused loadouts since any other playstyle feels almost punishing to do
Yeaaa. Me too.
Thanks for your compliment.
I love in this game how the powerful anti tank weapons that you can reload have 10 minute cooldowns, so if you die you have to run into the hoard defenceless that just killed you to try to retrieve it just so you can maybe kill the bile titan that’s camping the objective, so your forced using single shot stuff that takes 10~ seconds to deploy just to hopeful get it in time and hit your shot.
This is the precise problem with primaries being dog shit.
I definitely agree with you bro. When engaging the enemy I feel as if I am constantly forced to face enemies that my weapons pose little to no threat to, and I am perpetually forced to rely on my stratagems. I feel when I go into a game I have to rely upon either a setup totally based on fighting bigger enemies (who are too numerous for me to finish myself anyways) and allow myself to helplessly get get swarmed by the little guys, or I build a setup designed more so to handle the smaller enemies and allow myself to get slapped up by the bigger fellas. I kinda feel as if I’m doomed to have to flee either way… but with the introduction of the impaler running has also become disincentivized. Stay and fight and die to the horde, or run away and get juggled by the impaler until all my bones are broken… I love this game, but I hope for some sizeable changes soon. Great video bro.
Power to the infantry!
Darktide is such a good comparison in term of audio and visual design.
Take snipers for example. It's a long range specialist Enemy that can take a huge chunk of your hp off, if you're ignoring him. Their attack direction is indicated by a red laser beam, which also gives away their position,so you can try and break a line of sight before they lock onto you. If you can't and they did lock on, there would be audio and visual cue for their attack, giving you just enough time to make a dodge to avoid it. Said cue is distinct from everything else in the game, so even if you don't see a sniper, but hear his attack cue, you can dodge backwards and there's a good chance that he'll miss.
Same can be said about every other specialist. Nets will have a heat up sound just before they shoot you, mutants will scream way before they connect, dogs bark when they spawn and when they launge at you, flamethrowers mutter to themself before starting fire with a distinct click, pocburster has a ticking sound that gets faster based on his distance to you, grenadiers will give their position away with pin removal noise and whistling noise their grenade makes. Even if you don't see your enemy on your screen, you generally can understand what's going on just by sound alone. And on top of that, every one of them has a distinct sound for when they spawn, and a separate one for when wave of them spawns.
And now let's look at HD new tentacle monster. It's silent for the most part, tentacles can travel quite far and they do not give an indication where the body is.
You can almost play darktide blind, when the audio system is working, which is a huge innovation.
I miss the old crossbow, I had a lot of fun with it. Was it good? Eeeh it needed a little something but having a primary weapon that fired frag grenades was AWESOME. Now it is just eh. I mever touch it because it doesn't do anything. Why take the crossbow when I can just run Counter Sniper instead?
But I have gotten really back into Darktide after the last update. I am hinestly disappointed in myself for brushing off the penitence update initially as well.
So looking forward to to crafting update. My zealot has a collosal stockpile of weapons I really want to thin down XD
I liked the older cross bow on launch too. Nerf bat weirdly swung at a weak weapon.
I've been deep into the darktide rabbit hole too. Been doing a lot of monstrous duos lately.
I've been having an oddly large amount of fun with a support Zealot build. Can't kill monstrosities at all but the loadout just jives with me.
@@flyinmehkite384 Zealot is just fun dude. If you want to get more monstrosity damage on the table without sacrificing your build try the Indy Crusher. Its got decent boss damage and is a great stagger stick (and all around damage dealer)
@@Reginald-sc9tk That tends to be one of my main weapons (that I am taking a break from). Really having fun with the stun mace ia. Which pretty much has the same swing pattern as the Crusher.
I was thinking about how to make the call-ins less painful, and my idea was this:
- Non-heavy enemies have a chance to spawn as a "whistleblower" of sorts. This effect makes them the one and only target in a nearby group that can call for backup
- This effect is very visually noticeable on the enemy, allowing you to focus them first if you're smart and avoid a breach/drop when approached correctly. For bots, i magine the flare they use would be strapped to their back as a bright red light, and for bugs, these marked enemies would be surrounded by a cloud of mist/spores/pheromones/whatever.
- Higher difficulties would see more of this effect spawn on enemies and would require more careful attacks and maybe even teamwork to completely negate an enemy reinforce
-To show which enemies are marked while the reinforce is on cooldown, the bot flare could turn a different blue or green, and the bug effect could go from orange to green or white (all adjusted for colorblind settings to) so you could still focus them in preparation
- In addition, make the calling animation longer and more noticeable. Maybe you can watch the bot pull the flare out, attach it to his arm, and then fire it instead of instantly firing it, and perhaps the acting bug could glow a bright orange/green and just slow the existing animation
the bot one is fine, they tend to just stand still and aim up giving you plenty of time to shoot them, will say the bug one needs to be changed tho, the moment they poke there head up it's over.
I think your section on problems was a liiiiitle overdramatic but overall I think you are right in your main point which is that lack of weapon diversity kind of kills the game. If i'm being funneled into the One Loadout for this One Enemy I'm fighting, I'm of course going to get bored of that after 3 missions max. Being able to pull out the flamethrower or not have to rock an AC every single mission is just a no brainer way to keep me at least a little more invested in the game. Personally, I'd love to see specializations in loadouts; some perks or extra mechanics for playing in a certain way.
Spectacular video, so frustrating so see this happen to this game. The railgun point of having a weapon that you can use to FIGHT was brilliant.
I'm still having fun with the game but I do agree there are ways in which the game could be improved. My big problem is 99% of the "criticism" I see online is "reeee game bad fix game reeeeee" and it just gets so obnoxious. Its nice to see someone calmly break down exactly what the issues are and *why* they have those issues. Good video :)
Thanks very much. I try to always offer a solution, instead of just a cudgel.
You freaking nailed it. The part about more small enemies and less armored really hit home for me. I’ve wanted this forever. I’m tired of getting stuck bringing anti tank support weapons every freaking game. It gets old and I have more fun missing down massive hordes with the mg-43. Also can you imagine a liberator with lots of ammo that was actually powerful? Holy smokes how cool would that be?
I haven't had fun with helldivers for a while and your points are very good. Playing EDF 6 really makes me feel that Helldivers could've been so much more
Arrowhead: We want to make cool and interesting new weapons
also Arrowhead: We want all weapons feel the same......which is low damage and low ammo :D
Something that would actully fix the game is: individual ammo call in. I constantly TK/kick double dippers since theres only 1 ammo reserve for everyone.
My interest in the game started waning when they released the Eruptor warbond and then immediately nerfed it into the dirt. I thought that warbond was pretty sick, and the Eruptor gave me a weapon that I truly enjoyed playing with. They nerfed it heavily for an inane reason that didn't even occur that frequently, and could be played around reliably. The shrapnel it generated with each shot was great at mob clear, and its damage was perfectly balanced by its long reload. In all the times I played it, and I played it pretty heavily, I could probably count the number of times I'd TK'd because of the shrapnel. It's been downhill ever since, although they got a bit of my interest back when they buffed the weapon handling for the Diligence sniper rifle line, and with the tune up they gave the orbital gatling and precision strikes.
I completely agree. I really enjoy stealth against bots but partly because I probably won’t survive a factory strider death squad being dropped right on my head.
And on the bug front, you can actually wipe out the entire map of bug holes, shrieker nest, mega nest using a single emancipator mech if you just dodge/ignore the bugs and move on to the next set of holes.
Since there is not much incentive to linger there for too long anyway once you’ve unlocked everything and that lead us nicely to the severe lack of endgame rewards.
This game is a gem in this era of gaming and i truly hope our constructive criticisms will help polish it.
if i could imagine the actual changes to the call ins and spawn rates with the enemy patrols would be this:
Call ins: Have an alert system on the game that rewards going stealth, how do we acomplish this is having two timers.
First timer is for call ins intervals this is for start an open combat, at the start of the mission if you enter in combat the first call in will happend 45 seconds in the combat, if you kill everyone it stays on 45 seconds, if a call in happend then alert system goes up on 1 level and the call in time is now 40 seconds and will substract 5 seconds each level of the alert system, so if you play too agresive you will reach the point when at the start of the fight a call in will happend.
Second timer that will be the cooldown between call ins, i will say 2 minutes, when a call in happend another one will no occur until 2 minutes has passed since the start of the last one.
Spawn rates and enemy patrols: have the spawn rates with the enemy patrols tied to the nest or factories active on the map
We have three types of factory or nest levels, small, medium and large, with this it can be coded that a fixed amount of enemies will be inside the nest or factory and the spawn timers of each, along side this, the enemy patrol will be attached to the nest or factory its self, having a fixed numbers of patrols that will go and come back, this can make the feeling that the patrols are not roaming bc of yes and have a duty on watch the nest or fabric so the big ones will feel more vigilated and more important to the faction, this is aside the minor point of interest where there will be enemies.
So what happend when the players destroy a nest or fabric? that nest or fabirc will enter on a state of "lost signal" and after a set time passes a patrol will spawn at the border of the map and will go to that nest or fabric to investigate, if now found anything will start roaming on the map randomly, when all the nest or fabric will be destroyed the map will enter on a state of "Territory lost" and this stat will stop any spawn of enemies excluding the call in ones till the activation of extraction point where the spawns will be reactivated and happend at the border of the map and go direct to extract point.
i will not talk about numbers on the spawn topic bc its hard to set an amount that will be okey for each level of dificulty but the idea is there, again this is an idea only im speaking from a fact that i dont know chit about game development and coding, im talking from a point of view from what i think can be done, thanks for reading and sorry my poor english
Rocket enemies should have a red flash and then have a visible laser appear where their “painting” you with it as a way to lock on to you before they fire as a visual queue that their salvo is about to launch giving you a few second to react to it. Maybe make diving prone have some use if you’re in the open.
The biggest problem for me is that the patrolls feel too gamy, they dont feel like real patrolls coming from real bases.
Excellent point
The game needs an actual AI director that can take the foot off the accelerator when you get too engaged instead of dumping endless waves of enemies on top of you until you either die or run away.
Wait, this game doesn't have a director?