I work for Scotsman. Haven’t seen an old cme style ice machine for a while. You did a great job cleaning the machine. Some of the evaporators are tin or nickel plated.
I do like your video’s and the way how you approach each unit there is one more thing I usually do when I work on ice machine I look down on drain and see if drain valve is leaking water just to cover the easy check thank you for all what you do to hvac industry your awesome man
Thanks Mr. Richi, that's real important on a Hoshizaki because the water can leak outbecause of how the pump system works with the check valve and it's never a bad thing to do, on this machine it doesn't have a dump valve solenoid, it literally overfills the water trough to purge the water out. I appreciate you watching and leaving a comment. See you tonight at 8:30 if you like for the live show 👍👍
Dollar stores have a clr type which is an acid for calcium, hard deposits, best bang for buck 32oz and it works. But food grade is a whole different story of course. That intro exit song always reminds me of a truck diesel turbo at the end.
I've tried Rust Away, CLR, and some no name stuff. None of it really works as good as they show when you let it get as bad as what that was. Thanks 4 watching and commenting 👍👍
Yeah, the old Scotsman cubers count the ice on the first batch. So the first cycle is longer. The second cycle is supposed to end at the time the machine saw the last piece of ice fall. At the seminars for those machines, Scotsman told us that we might not see the bin light flash, but the machine does see every piece of ice that falls. The biggest problem I had with these machines were the optical sensors when the machine was installed and used well water. The bin sensor would get covered over in a few weeks. Plus, the machine was next to the empty beer bottles.
Any yeast in the air from breads or beers will help form the nastiest of slimy looking mold. Pizza places and sub stores are the worst. What I'll do is pull the sensors out and lay them in the bottom tray to soak while the cleaner is circulating. If the water is real bad, like with "well" water with rust..... That is the worst to clean up. Thanks 4 the feedback and watching 👍👍
Thanks for the info was able to clean and sanitize the oldie also cleaned the eyes of the sensor and got it to make ice but after a half bin full it stopped and refrigerant light flashes. assumption its low in refrigerant?
Any idea what could be wrong with my water cooled scotsman it's not flowing alot of water out discharge took filter off no different? It will make one rack of ice that shuts down.
It could be several different things, could be a refrigerant issue, could be a water control valve problem but without checking several different things it's hard to say.
You have three different types of condensers available. Air-cooled self-contained at the machine, remote condenser, water-cooled condenser. Generally they are rated for pounds of ice for 24 hours. The btu would need to be looked up in the book and they come in all different shapes and sizes.
Keep releasing videos it'll grow... It just takes a while to get people to hit the subscribe button but honestly the most important thing to look at is your views. The way I look at it no matter how huge you are the views a lot of times is smaller than their subscription count 🙈
if the water level does not satisfy in 2 min it will shut off on a safety....and that evaporator plate on the CME series was tin plated....not nickel plated
This particular model does not have a dump valve like some ice machines do. The way it works is when you hit the cleaning button the second time it will start flashing the clean led, this will cause the machine to add water until it overflows that little tube that I pulled out in the video from the left side of the machine in the water trough area. That's the reason why when I am completely done I pull the tube out and drain it completely then I will flush it multiple times (4) with clean water. ***For safety & liability reasons I got to tell you to do it the way the factory describes how to do it, which is usually listed inside the machine or on the factory's website. all this is done after the machine has ran the cleaner through itself usually somewhere between 10 and 15 minutes. But this is going out of memory and should be verified by checking the manual. ****Use all these procedures at your own risk.**** #Trust but verify 👍👍
Hello. My machine is the same as that, it starts to fill and the pump works and fills the system but the compressor does not start. After approximately 2 minutes the machine stops, the water light blinks 2 times and the off light stays green. The compressor does not start and we already carried out a thorough cleaning.
I would be guessing without looking at the machine. The water float puts it into harvest but you have to look at the system as a whole not just one component.
Those old cme's would just run especially the ones with the basic timer.. The new ones just seem to have an unreal amount of evaporator failures.. nickel falls off, grid separation, micro leaks..
what would be the problem if the cubes don fall of the tray? half of them stay on the tray and when the water stall falling again it splash of the cubes and fall on the ice at the bottom freezing on allthe ice!
If you're referring to the evaporator plate as "the tray" then I would guess that is probably a problem with the refrigerant charge being low and not creating enough heat to melt them off during Harvest, or could be a harvest valve problem or you could have problems with the evaporator plate itself. Hard to be certain when you're not standing there looking at it but that's the most likely scenario
I have a new 58lb u bought it about 8 month ago, the drain got clogged, I cleaned the drain I disconnected, now after I unclogged cleaned it up now it’s not making any ice i can hear the water running but it not making any ice🤷🏻♂️
You stated how if another co. Called out after you. They say that the machine needs cleaning,to work. Not good for you! Well if you do not clean and after service a customer or employee gets sick, they trace back to the dirty machine. You just serviced, and did clean, Can you be held responsible? Or if note on the bill you suggested it but customer said no. You would be off the hook ?
I haven't left a ice machine dirty yet. If they want me to do the repair work it's getting cleaned if it needs cleaned because I have to warranty my own work. Anytime something that is questionable that could create a situation that may implicate me or the company in a negative manner it will get noted on the paperwork. It at least gives you something to stand on not that it may be ironclad.
It is👍👍. I mean we are just making ice for goodness sakes. The are running water over top of a cold plate and it turns into an ice cube. Go figure 🤣🤣🤣. Thanks 4 watching!
Right on Roy 👍👍 Scotsman has told me themselves that that thing will work fine without any of the nickel coating. They've got some pretty good technical service guys. And that is a very reliable machine even though I don't like the way it's made out of plastic like it is. It tends to sag in the middle.
I was having problems with water filters plugging up too soon . I tried the Everpure 7DBG filters and was a lot happier with them. Once in a while carbon would get past the filter and show up in a drink. Hard to explain to customers sometimes. Harmless carbon specks. Dual bed granular really makes the water taste good.
This is off topic but window AC for the last 10 years have been ridiculous in design. The thermistor on electronic models is right on evap and the supposed econ mode has to run fan about 2 mins out of 10mins to get an accurate read, and what's more, the fan runs about 3 mins after compressor off, this just increases humidity. First thing I do is put thermistor outside of vent in room, and wire 1 speed (low) to compressor relay and done. Fan runs with compressor and no more excess noise and humidity. Anyone else notice this crap design?
Another incorrect statement one when any ice machine is turned on from a off cycle especially if it has been off for a while they will do a prechill which is when the water stops flowing over the evaporator because it to create the flash off effect or sudden heat loss case and point it is like when some one touches their tongue to a frozen pipe it is the flash of the heat transfer that causes the tongue/water to stick to the pipe or evaporator otherwise the evaporator would look like a frozen waterfall in winter and water running over the ice
On ice machines the first assumptions should always be cleanliness and water then dirty condensers not reversed especially if it works good during the day and ok at night because a dirty condenser will cause the head master to thick it is a cool summer night
Correct. Manitowoc told me that the biggest problem is a dirty ice machine. Or I should say water related. But Because I know that store well and how abused the equipment is I kind of moved all over the place plus I didn't get a very good description, everyone acted like they were lost and had no clue.
But the statement about it not being able to keep up when it is cool at night would not direct a seasoned tech to a dirty condenser because a dirty condenser will help an ice machine make ice when the evenings are cooler not the opposite
A ice machine should always be cleaned before any diagnostics are performed because if you look at your video you can see that ice machine was in dire need of cleaning
@@dmiestercommkitchentech3043 Just curious about that statement. What your saying is, when you come upon an ice machine that is not running, and is obviously dirty, you would first clean the machine BEFORE you start any form of diagnostic?
I work for Scotsman. Haven’t seen an old cme style ice machine for a while. You did a great job cleaning the machine. Some of the evaporators are tin or nickel plated.
Thanks Bart, I hate nasty machines 🙄😁.
I have a cme250 1994 model I just got the water inlet valve working but now the water keeps cycling maybe low on 404a refrigerant this is William
I do like your video’s and the way how you approach each unit there is one more thing I usually do when I work on ice machine I look down on drain and see if drain valve is leaking water just to cover the easy check thank you for all what you do to hvac industry your awesome man
Thanks Mr. Richi, that's real important on a Hoshizaki because the water can leak outbecause of how the pump system works with the check valve and it's never a bad thing to do, on this machine it doesn't have a dump valve solenoid, it literally overfills the water trough to purge the water out. I appreciate you watching and leaving a comment. See you tonight at 8:30 if you like for the live show 👍👍
Definitely do not work on Scotsman as much as Hoshi or Mani so thanks Rick for the video and little refresher on their cuber!
No problem, I'm glad you found it useful. 👍👍. As you seen there's no shame in getting out the paperwork cuz I can't remember it all 🤭
@@HVACRSurvival Agreed 100% because even if all you do is work on Scotsman there is no way to remember all of the little details of each machine.
Dollar stores have a clr type which is an acid for calcium, hard deposits, best bang for buck 32oz and it works. But food grade is a whole different story of course. That intro exit song always reminds me of a truck diesel turbo at the end.
I've tried Rust Away, CLR, and some no name stuff. None of it really works as good as they show when you let it get as bad as what that was. Thanks 4 watching and commenting 👍👍
I have problem with Scotsman ac46. Water can't drain out automatically and can't make ice cube.if anybody can help me to settle this problem
Yeah, the old Scotsman cubers count the ice on the first batch. So the first cycle is longer. The second cycle is supposed to end at the time the machine saw the last piece of ice fall. At the seminars for those machines, Scotsman told us that we might not see the bin light flash, but the machine does see every piece of ice that falls.
The biggest problem I had with these machines were the optical sensors when the machine was installed and used well water. The bin sensor would get covered over in a few weeks. Plus, the machine was next to the empty beer bottles.
Any yeast in the air from breads or beers will help form the nastiest of slimy looking mold. Pizza places and sub stores are the worst. What I'll do is pull the sensors out and lay them in the bottom tray to soak while the cleaner is circulating. If the water is real bad, like with "well" water with rust..... That is the worst to clean up. Thanks 4 the feedback and watching 👍👍
Where is the optical sensor located?
On the left and right side below the EVAP plate. They had little led inferred sensors like an old remote control has.
@@HVACRSurvival got ‘em thanks
Thanks for the info was able to clean and sanitize the oldie also cleaned the eyes of the sensor and got it to make ice but after a half bin full it stopped and refrigerant light flashes. assumption its low in refrigerant?
Hello, I'm getting a bin full and of course not making ice. I cant find where the sensor is, can you send me a picture of the location?
Gigantanormous job!
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No small thinking here 🤣🤣👍👍
No no no. Not huge, HUMUNGUS!!!! 🧐😊
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Any idea what could be wrong with my water cooled scotsman it's not flowing alot of water out discharge took filter off no different? It will make one rack of ice that shuts down.
It could be several different things, could be a refrigerant issue, could be a water control valve problem but without checking several different things it's hard to say.
How my BTU or ton are these, and up north do they let the heat go inside of building or is it always rooftop condenser?
You have three different types of condensers available. Air-cooled self-contained at the machine, remote condenser, water-cooled condenser. Generally they are rated for pounds of ice for 24 hours. The btu would need to be looked up in the book and they come in all different shapes and sizes.
Have you ever tried CLR in an ice machine, especially to clean the calcium deposits?
Yes I have, I was not impressed at all. Plus if I remember correctly it foamed up the water.
It foams and foams and foams and doesn't clean that great
#74 thumbs up, love the Ice Machine videos Rick! Thank you sir!
Thanks Ryan, I figured it was time for another one. I'm trying to see if I can screw their algorithm up and maybe they'll start boosting me again😏😲
@@HVACRSurvival you're killing it man! I just hit 750 today, hope to get to 1000 before 12 months. 3 months to go!
Keep releasing videos it'll grow... It just takes a while to get people to hit the subscribe button but honestly the most important thing to look at is your views. The way I look at it no matter how huge you are the views a lot of times is smaller than their subscription count 🙈
@@HVACRSurvival I appreciate ya Rick! Honestly I just enjoy making the videos. I'll be looking for you're livestream on Sunday!
if the water level does not satisfy in 2 min it will shut off on a safety....and that evaporator plate on the CME series was tin plated....not nickel plated
Thanks for the information and the correction 👍👍
After cleaning, how many cycles to get the chemical out of the ice ?
Label says dump first bin....
The control module generally will cycle about 20-30 minutes of freshwater through. There's quicker ways of doing it.
How many cycles is 30 minutes I have to clean one out soon ?🤔
This particular model does not have a dump valve like some ice machines do. The way it works is when you hit the cleaning button the second time it will start flashing the clean led, this will cause the machine to add water until it overflows that little tube that I pulled out in the video from the left side of the machine in the water trough area. That's the reason why when I am completely done I pull the tube out and drain it completely then I will flush it multiple times (4) with clean water. ***For safety & liability reasons I got to tell you to do it the way the factory describes how to do it, which is usually listed inside the machine or on the factory's website. all this is done after the machine has ran the cleaner through itself usually somewhere between 10 and 15 minutes. But this is going out of memory and should be verified by checking the manual. ****Use all these procedures at your own risk.**** #Trust but verify 👍👍
Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry.
Hello. My machine is the same as that, it starts to fill and the pump works and fills the system but the compressor does not start. After approximately 2 minutes the machine stops, the water light blinks 2 times and the off light stays green. The compressor does not start and we already carried out a thorough cleaning.
Water fill sensor
I have the same ice machine. It's giving me all kind of codes, but the full bin light stays on solid. please advice.
Dirty eyes or faulty eyes? Sounds like you might need to call for service. Could be a bad controller? it's hard to tell without being in front of it.
I have the exact same machine does not go to harvest. Do u think it’s a harvest sensor or. Refrigerant low ?
I would be guessing without looking at the machine. The water float puts it into harvest but you have to look at the system as a whole not just one component.
If it stays in freeze mode and not go into harvest. You think it needs cleaning ?
It could possibly be a dirty ice thickness sensor, It really depends on which model you're working on and what brand.
@@HVACRSurvival thanks for the heads up. I'm going to check out the sensors along with a calcium clean up.
Those old cme's would just run especially the ones with the basic timer.. The new ones just seem to have an unreal amount of evaporator failures.. nickel falls off, grid separation, micro leaks..
Nothing seems to be made with any pride anymore. That machine was 18 or 19 years old according to the date I seen on the sticker.
what would be the problem if the cubes don fall of the tray? half of them stay on the tray and when the water stall falling again it splash of the cubes and fall on the ice at the bottom freezing on allthe ice!
If you're referring to the evaporator plate as "the tray" then I would guess that is probably a problem with the refrigerant charge being low and not creating enough heat to melt them off during Harvest, or could be a harvest valve problem or you could have problems with the evaporator plate itself. Hard to be certain when you're not standing there looking at it but that's the most likely scenario
I have a new 58lb u bought it about 8 month ago, the drain got clogged, I cleaned the drain I disconnected, now after I unclogged cleaned it up now it’s not making any ice i can hear the water running but it not making any ice🤷🏻♂️
My scotsman ice cube machine creating only 1 cycle, after 1 cycle it shows error wthat may be issue?
Dirty is usually the first problem. Water related is the second most common. Refrigerant is the third.
You stated how if another co. Called out after you. They say that the machine needs cleaning,to work. Not good for you! Well if you do not clean and after service a customer or employee gets sick, they trace back to the dirty machine. You just serviced, and did clean, Can you be held responsible? Or if note on the bill you suggested it but customer said no. You would be off the hook ?
I haven't left a ice machine dirty yet. If they want me to do the repair work it's getting cleaned if it needs cleaned because I have to warranty my own work. Anytime something that is questionable that could create a situation that may implicate me or the company in a negative manner it will get noted on the paperwork. It at least gives you something to stand on not that it may be ironclad.
Stupendous job !!
Thanks Bear 👍👍🍺🍺
I have an ice maker from the Scotsman brand whose defrost is not hot enough so the ice flowers don't fall
Looks like a simplistic design.
It is👍👍. I mean we are just making ice for goodness sakes. The are running water over top of a cold plate and it turns into an ice cube. Go figure 🤣🤣🤣. Thanks 4 watching!
Those machines did do very good here. They eyes got dirty with slime from the water
Right on Roy 👍👍 Scotsman has told me themselves that that thing will work fine without any of the nickel coating. They've got some pretty good technical service guys. And that is a very reliable machine even though I don't like the way it's made out of plastic like it is. It tends to sag in the middle.
Colossal presentation. 👍
It just keeps getting bigger and bigger 👍👍🤣
I was having problems with water filters plugging up too soon . I tried the Everpure 7DBG filters and was a lot happier with them. Once in a while carbon would get past the filter and show up in a drink. Hard to explain to customers sometimes. Harmless carbon specks. Dual bed granular really makes the water taste good.
I haven't had that luckily. Only time I get a miss like that is when I punch a hole in them to drain the water quicker.
👍👍 Great job
This is off topic but window AC for the last 10 years have been ridiculous in design. The thermistor on electronic models is right on evap and the supposed econ mode has to run fan about 2 mins out of 10mins to get an accurate read, and what's more, the fan runs about 3 mins after compressor off, this just increases humidity. First thing I do is put thermistor outside of vent in room, and wire 1 speed (low) to compressor relay and done. Fan runs with compressor and no more excess noise and humidity. Anyone else notice this crap design?
Scotsman MV 450
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So The main problem was that the filter needed to be changed?
That was one of problems plus the nasty machine needed to be cleaned.
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Another incorrect statement one when any ice machine is turned on from a off cycle especially if it has been off for a while they will do a prechill which is when the water stops flowing over the evaporator because it to create the flash off effect or sudden heat loss case and point it is like when some one touches their tongue to a frozen pipe it is the flash of the heat transfer that causes the tongue/water to stick to the pipe or evaporator otherwise the evaporator would look like a frozen waterfall in winter and water running over the ice
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On ice machines the first assumptions should always be cleanliness and water then dirty condensers not reversed especially if it works good during the day and ok at night because a dirty condenser will cause the head master to thick it is a cool summer night
Correct. Manitowoc told me that the biggest problem is a dirty ice machine. Or I should say water related. But Because I know that store well and how abused the equipment is I kind of moved all over the place plus I didn't get a very good description, everyone acted like they were lost and had no clue.
But the statement about it not being able to keep up when it is cool at night would not direct a seasoned tech to a dirty condenser because a dirty condenser will help an ice machine make ice when the evenings are cooler not the opposite
A ice machine should always be cleaned before any diagnostics are performed because if you look at your video you can see that ice machine was in dire need of cleaning
@@dmiestercommkitchentech3043 Just curious about that statement. What your saying is, when you come upon an ice machine that is not running, and is obviously dirty, you would first clean the machine BEFORE you start any form of diagnostic?
@@mikec.2746 Yes because a dirty evaporator, distribotor, level sensor thickness probe will effect any and all ice production
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