UPDATE 1: . NYU, Columbia, and Brown University launch plans to go hybrid in Fall 20 to protect $41 Billion industry: qz.com/india/1878548/harvard-mit-nyu-columbia-object-to-ices-f-1-student-visa-move/ . Cornell, USC and Northeastern University joins Harvard and MIT in the lawsuit: cornellsun.com/2020/07/08/cornell-joins-mit-harvard-in-amicus-brief-against-ice-and-dept-of-homeland-security/ . Harvard, MIT sue administration to protect student visas www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/07/08/harvard-mit-international-students-ice/
there are so many problems 1. Flights are limited (I heard some countries only have a few international flight very week, and it's very hard to book) 2. Time zoom is a real problem. It's hard to organize classes and test (I knew the difficulty because I had a family emergency and had to fly out of US during March) 3. I'm not sure what would they do to researchers. I'm mostly do computation, instead of experiment. My life is easier (still difficult actually, because connecting to my university network is trick and China has a cyber great wall that forbid accessing cloud storage. Even for student in Europe, the intercontinential connection is typically not that good. It takes a very long time to load/download a large computation from university computation cluster). For experimentalist, they need access to equipment. I'm not sure how would the policy work. 4. People have lives.They have housing agreement.and parking agreement (my car almost got tow because I had to leave urgently) 5. this is just not how the country should function. Isn't US supposed to have "small government"(compared to european countries)? How can the government just disrupt people's lives like this (the government shouldn't just depart people at will like this...especially for people who received visa legally)? What is the benefit of such policy? If people are coming from outside to US, then it's more understandable because the virus can come in. What's the problem for people already in US? If it's a nordic countries where testing and treating are free...okay foreigner can benefit from the healthcare is a problem (still stupid...because foreigner also pay taxes so they deserve healthcare)....It just doesn't make sense at all. 6. Those policies, as a whole, just effectively outlawed full-online universities. It is stupid as well as dishonest. It has little to do with immigration. It has everything to do with domestically policies about reopening schools.
actually with the full 3 new policies. ICE effectively outlawed mostly-online-university during the pandemics (like Harvard tried to do) BY THREATS! If a university does go mostly online, its students will get deported (becomes illegal at least). Even if they leave the country, they can only take maximum one online class so it would delay their education by forcing them to be part time (and have other problems with forcing legal people to leave the country). University (if the law is not revoked) will likely be forced to go mostly in-person by THREATS.
@@jimmyyushimi2234 Did you read the list of problems of "going back to your own country"? It's way easier said than done... also it's unethnical to force legal visa holder to leave the country to begin with (like I said..people have lives...they have housing lease..parking lease and so on) Also the second and third policy says that Even if the students leave the country, they can only at most take one online class (so their education would be forced paused). This is deeply unethical (it's wasting people's youth). Those 3 policies effective outlawed most-online-universty by THREATENING deporting student. It's dishonest, unethnical, and just stupid (if in-person class is unnecessary..especially given the pandemic).
Are the Universities going to change to online mode in the future, I mean after the whole corona situation is settled down? Or is this going to be temporary?
If the COVID situation settles down, universities will definitely not take classes online for full-time campus program students as it's affecting their revenues and quality a lot. Even with COVID around, I feel that a lot of universities will open campuses in the hybrid models due to this new F1 Visa change and save their students from falling out of status or losing them to other universities. There should soon be a statement from all the universities who had previously declared to go completely online in fall 20.
What about schools that will start online and then move to in-person classes? I study in New Jersey and my school will begin online on August 17 and then move to in-person classes no sooner than September 8. So, with this new law, am I allowed to go back in August? Or do I have to wait until my University gives 100% guarantee that we will have in-person classes starting September 8? What if I book a ticket for September 8 and then last minute they switch to online again? Who's gonna pay for my flights? Am I supposed to be waiting in front of my computer and book last minute flights? Or am I allowed to go in August because we'll have "only" 3 weeks of e-learning? This makes no sense whatsoever, and the US has yet to clarify these type of situations. Thank you
I agree that there is so much of clarification that is pending from schools and the govt. Also, all of your questions are directly related to how your school is handling the situation, there already a statement from a bunch of universities declaring to follow a hybrid approach instead of online, and leaving it to students to choose between online and in-person classes for most of the courses. In your case, ask your school if they consider this particular course starting on Aug 17 as an online or an on-campus course and that should be it. They're the ones who need to update the SEVIS portal and tell USCIS that you're a full-time student taking in-person classes and also, giving you an updated i20. Hope it helps!
Can you please guide as what about the students who have completed MS and are currently on opt or extended opt? Will they have to leave U.S.? How will they come? As international flight services have not resumed yet?
There is no impact of this update on students who are on OPT or STEM as they have completed all of their courses and have satisfied the degree program requirements as a full-time student.
Any thoughts on how all this is gonna affect students applying for the first time in fall 2021? Since a lot of people will be deferring their admits to fall 2021, wouldn't it cause a reduced intake next year (especially for international students)?
Impact on Fall 21 students, totally depends on if universities still continue to take classes online due to COVID. This change drastically affects universities who are going completely or partially online. In a normal scenario, all classes would happen on campus for full-time students who have enrolled for campus programs, so it shouldn't be an issue in that case. Hope it helps!
UPDATE 1:
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NYU, Columbia, and Brown University launch plans to go hybrid in Fall 20 to protect $41 Billion industry: qz.com/india/1878548/harvard-mit-nyu-columbia-object-to-ices-f-1-student-visa-move/
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Cornell, USC and Northeastern University joins Harvard and MIT in the lawsuit: cornellsun.com/2020/07/08/cornell-joins-mit-harvard-in-amicus-brief-against-ice-and-dept-of-homeland-security/
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Harvard, MIT sue administration to protect student visas www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/07/08/harvard-mit-international-students-ice/
omg this is difficult news! Thanks for sharing yaar. Lets hope that classes open in spring semester and things go back to normal.
there are so many problems
1. Flights are limited (I heard some countries only have a few international flight very week, and it's very hard to book)
2. Time zoom is a real problem. It's hard to organize classes and test (I knew the difficulty because I had a family emergency and had to fly out of US during March)
3. I'm not sure what would they do to researchers. I'm mostly do computation, instead of experiment. My life is easier (still difficult actually, because connecting to my university network is trick and China has a cyber great wall that forbid accessing cloud storage. Even for student in Europe, the intercontinential connection is typically not that good. It takes a very long time to load/download a large computation from university computation cluster). For experimentalist, they need access to equipment. I'm not sure how would the policy work.
4. People have lives.They have housing agreement.and parking agreement (my car almost got tow because I had to leave urgently)
5. this is just not how the country should function. Isn't US supposed to have "small government"(compared to european countries)? How can the government just disrupt people's lives like this (the government shouldn't just depart people at will like this...especially for people who received visa legally)? What is the benefit of such policy? If people are coming from outside to US, then it's more understandable because the virus can come in. What's the problem for people already in US? If it's a nordic countries where testing and treating are free...okay foreigner can benefit from the healthcare is a problem (still stupid...because foreigner also pay taxes so they deserve healthcare)....It just doesn't make sense at all.
6. Those policies, as a whole, just effectively outlawed full-online universities. It is stupid as well as dishonest. It has little to do with immigration. It has everything to do with domestically policies about reopening schools.
actually with the full 3 new policies. ICE effectively outlawed mostly-online-university during the pandemics (like Harvard tried to do) BY THREATS!
If a university does go mostly online, its students will get deported (becomes illegal at least). Even if they leave the country, they can only take maximum one online class so it would delay their education by forcing them to be part time (and have other problems with forcing legal people to leave the country).
University (if the law is not revoked) will likely be forced to go mostly in-person by THREATS.
Shouldn't have robbed the US.
Bohan Xu they can learn by online in there own country. The point is there don't wanna go back because they still work illegal.
@@jimmyyushimi2234 Did you read the list of problems of "going back to your own country"? It's way easier said than done...
also it's unethnical to force legal visa holder to leave the country to begin with (like I said..people have lives...they have housing lease..parking lease and so on)
Also the second and third policy says that Even if the students leave the country, they can only at most take one online class (so their education would be forced paused). This is deeply unethical (it's wasting people's youth).
Those 3 policies effective outlawed most-online-universty by THREATENING deporting student. It's dishonest, unethnical, and just stupid (if in-person class is unnecessary..especially given the pandemic).
Go to a less prestigious school that’s open for in person classes or go back to country of origin and continue to be an ivy leaguer.
You can take online classes from anywhere! Even from the home country.
But it costs the same. What's the point in that?
Anand Potukuchi then don’t attend at all. Go to a university at home.
Are the Universities going to change to online mode in the future, I mean after the whole corona situation is settled down?
Or is this going to be temporary?
If the COVID situation settles down, universities will definitely not take classes online for full-time campus program students as it's affecting their revenues and quality a lot. Even with COVID around, I feel that a lot of universities will open campuses in the hybrid models due to this new F1 Visa change and save their students from falling out of status or losing them to other universities. There should soon be a statement from all the universities who had previously declared to go completely online in fall 20.
temporary. In all likelihood.
What about schools that will start online and then move to in-person classes? I study in New Jersey and my school will begin online on August 17 and then move to in-person classes no sooner than September 8. So, with this new law, am I allowed to go back in August? Or do I have to wait until my University gives 100% guarantee that we will have in-person classes starting September 8? What if I book a ticket for September 8 and then last minute they switch to online again? Who's gonna pay for my flights? Am I supposed to be waiting in front of my computer and book last minute flights? Or am I allowed to go in August because we'll have "only" 3 weeks of e-learning? This makes no sense whatsoever, and the US has yet to clarify these type of situations.
Thank you
I agree that there is so much of clarification that is pending from schools and the govt. Also, all of your questions are directly related to how your school is handling the situation, there already a statement from a bunch of universities declaring to follow a hybrid approach instead of online, and leaving it to students to choose between online and in-person classes for most of the courses. In your case, ask your school if they consider this particular course starting on Aug 17 as an online or an on-campus course and that should be it. They're the ones who need to update the SEVIS portal and tell USCIS that you're a full-time student taking in-person classes and also, giving you an updated i20. Hope it helps!
Can you please guide as what about the students who have completed MS and are currently on opt or extended opt? Will they have to leave U.S.? How will they come? As international flight services have not resumed yet?
There is no impact of this update on students who are on OPT or STEM as they have completed all of their courses and have satisfied the degree program requirements as a full-time student.
Thanks sir for the nice info , your reply cleared the doubts
Glad you found this useful!
Any thoughts on how all this is gonna affect students applying for the first time in fall 2021?
Since a lot of people will be deferring their admits to fall 2021, wouldn't it cause a reduced intake next year (especially for international students)?
Impact on Fall 21 students, totally depends on if universities still continue to take classes online due to COVID. This change drastically affects universities who are going completely or partially online. In a normal scenario, all classes would happen on campus for full-time students who have enrolled for campus programs, so it shouldn't be an issue in that case. Hope it helps!
To hell with your grievance. Since you dislike visa rules, then you never should have agreed to it.
why talk so fast?