01 fashion watches 02 vintage watches from no name dealers 03 vintage with water damage 04 watches where you lose money on 05 substitute watch (watch you bought instead of the one you wanted but couldn't afford). your welcome
I'll always keep a Fossil or 2 in my collection. It's what got me into watches when my late mother got me one for my 10th birthday. Never forget where you come from
I also have a watch my mum got me for my 14th- a smallish Sekonda faux diver in gun metal 😂 I never wear it but stuck it on a nato and I like having it there.
Will forever keep mine. 10 years old, pilot style. Everyday beater and not even a single scratch on the case or the glass...and I was a waiter!) Was a gift from my girl.
Plain citizen eco drive, steel bracelet and black dial . It was my first real watch my parents got me for Xmas. Now I own a Hamilton, Longines, and saving for a Laureato :)
A fossil gift is what got me in the game when I was 15, I don't wear it anymore but I'll never take it out of that top left spot in my watch box. The fossil is n°1.
I own 30 pieces and I bought a speedway invicta, for the hell of it but rarely wear it, but I do check its accuracy from time to time and be damned , the bloody thing is very accurate,
I have a small collection now and started many years ago with Invicta. While I probably wouldn't put out much more than $100 for one these days, the 2 I have are very near and dear to my heart...
Don't buy substitute watches, definitely. I've been collecting for a while and in the past I have settled for the second best thinking I'll be satisfied. I always ended up buying my original choice. When you buy the second best option all you're doing is wasting your money.
Also 'entry level luxury watches'. Somehow people think if they'll spend savings on a cheapest Rolex they can find, it will automatically open the doors to all luxury watches. No it won't. You'll just get stuck with some expensive watch you don't even like.
I don't mind some quartz watches, especially the solar powered ones, because as a daily wear watch you can just put it on and you don't have to set the time every time. I missed out on an Omega Aqua Terra Quartz for $900 at a store that was going out of business. I'm still kicking myself for not picking it up. Such a nice piece for daily wear and now more than twice that price.
Your Seamaster comment hit me directly between the eyes. I wanted the Co-Axial but couldn’t bring myself to spend the money. I bought the quartz Seamaster for half the price and now I can’t even give the thing away. I should have waited...
Depends on the vintage watch, I always check the reputation of the EBay seller, before I buy. That way, if it goes wrong, I can send it back. I recently bought a 70s citizen day date 21 Jewel, the seller passed the ratings test and I have zero regrets, it's a gorgeous watch and it's very reliable.
At least you can do that with Omega, try buying a Rolex new from an AD 🤣 I went into an AD the other day to see how long the list is and there’s a 5 year waiting list for a sub, they literally won’t take my money 🤦🏻♂️ Not sure if it’s like that in the USA but it is here in the UK...
I’ve had my rare black face Lorus Titanium quartz field watch since the early 1990s. Only bought it as a stopgap because I lost a Longines. But it’s now my favourite, not least because it always keeps great time (unlike me) - gains maybe 10 seconds over 12 months! Just checked, it’s actually just 6 seconds! The reason to buy a quartz is reliably and low service costs. The reason to buy a cheap quartz with a Seiko movement is a no brainer. I paid £35 for mine, when £35 was worth £35. Today the money is worth less, but the watch is actually cheaper!! But I can’t find a black face anywhere.
I bought a Seiko SARB033 as my first watch two weeks ago. I really want a Rolex Explorer 1 or the new OP in Green, but neither can be found where I’m at. And I definitely won’t pay $10k on chrono24. I did technically buy a substitute watch, but I was told by several people I should buy a cheaper watch first to get used to automatic watches. So far I absolutely love it, but you’re right, I can’t help but wish it was an Explorer at times.
@@eyeheartsushi2212 retail price for Rolex is already inflated, but then the gray market makes it twice as bad. Folks are really asking $10,000 for the brand new Rolex OP’s on Chrono24. For an entry level piece. It’s ridiculous.
I don't understand the hate towards quartz watches. I bought a Seiko and rarely use it. I use my quartz watches more because they don't need to be dialed to the proper hour again every single time I want to wear it. This also made me realize maybe a more expensive automatic in the 1k+ range is not worth it for me. In addition, let's not forget to mention the additional money it takes to service an expensive automatic watch. I'm the type of person that just puts on the watch and forgets about it. I use my watches to tell time not to look whether it's automatic or quartz.
There are a lot of sides to that argument. you're right on most of those points. But there some things that sway many watch collectors towards mechanical watches. Its the beauty of the sweeping second hand as opposed to a ticking one. Its the idea that so much more design and work goes into an automatic watch than your typical quartz movement. Its having a connection to a legacy of watchmaking that has been passed down for centuries of watchmaking. Its a skill and a artistry that quartz doesn't appeal too. I will also throw this out there to those that are new to watch collecting, if something is wrong with a mechanical watch it is fixable or 'servicable' while a quartz movement would have to be replaced if it isn't working properly.
I will say i personally don't hate quartz watches as a whole. I think everyone should wear watches and quartz make more sense for some people. But i know as a watch collector i am far more interested in automatic or mechanical pieces
Good advice! That's why I bought a new Patek Philippe that I liked the most straight from the main-street dealer. I will never lose more than 20 bucks on it, cause that's how much I paid for it to the nice elderly lady, when I was on vacation in Vietnam.
I'd rather the quartz Royal Oak. When I saw it on TGV's channel, the size, the thinness, it was like, that is the correct dimensions for that particular design!
Good point on quartz, them and manual you can make thinner. And if my dayly watch was an automatic it would probably be broken by now, it have been through so much crap and i have only changed pins two times and battery two times in 7 years.
I'm with you, last time I bought a new watch, it was a Wal Mart Casio. The rest have been barely used. Let someone else drive it off the lot and take the loss. Of course some watches will appreciate, but you're already shelling out a shit ton for those brands up front.
I have an Apple watch for work (mostly for steps, heart rate and view email), I use a G-shock Mudmaster for camping and going to the gun range and a Rolex Milgauss for everything else. Had multiple Tags, 2 Bell and Ross and an Omega but somehow I am picking up magnetism and kept having to have them demagnetized. My collection of 20 is now down to 3, never been happier.
I would always prefer a quartz moon phase watch over an auto moon phase watch. Why? Because I don't have watch winders, and I wouldn't want to reset a moon phase auto every time I put it back into my watch rotation and wear it.
Many ADs are actually making some discounts around 10-15% so then depreciation isn’t really going to be high. Buying used watch is always a risk unless you buy it from well know seller. Although buying used from well known seller sometimes almost matches the price of new watch with discount straight from AD :)
I just caught a 30 percent discount on a watch by accident. My card was flagged for fraud for some reason and it wouldn't process. The next day when I tried again the watch was on a huge sale xD
Mostly good advice. However, if you have to save up to buy an expensive mechanical watch, that means that you are generally a person with limited funds. Okay, you saved the money and got your watch. Now it eventually comes time to have it serviced. You send it back to the manufacturer, and they hit you with a $600 bill, and often times more. There are a lot of very nice watches for that amount. Or, you have your dreamed of watch, costing an arm and a leg, and you are now afraid of damaging it. You become somewhat hyper aware of it. My question is this: where is the line drawn between you owning the watch and the watch owning you? If you have deep pockets who cares, but for most of us I would say get a watch you like, you don't have to save for years for, is reliable, dependable, and doesn't cost more than a house payment to service.
I bought the tantalum AP RO Nick Faldo 56175TT not because I couldn’t afford a larger automatic AP (indeed I own other vintage APs which have intricately engraved automatic movements) but because I like that specific model. It has an amazing feel on the wrist and wears larger than it’s 33mm diameter. The 36mm tantalum automatic model doesn’t have the same proportions being substantially and disproportionately thicker. Just throwing out a differing opinion on a particular quartz RO.
@@888kingster The first one will seem really bad to most people reading here. I wanted a Panerai Luminor 1950 3 Days GMT PAM00441 Ceramic, but the thought of spending $10K on a watch seemed so out of reach to me. So I bought a Nixon watch that had a similar case shape in matte black with antiqued numbers. I even had a custom made strap to really finish off the look. Like Fed said, I enjoyed it for a month or so, then realized it didn't even compare. The second was more recent and less egregious, but the result was the same. Being primarily a car racing fan, I have always wanted a Daytona. I always liked the Submariner too, but if I had to pick just one, I wanted the Daytona. I was at the point in my life where spending $10K on a watch didn't seem so unreasonable anymore, but of course the Daytona was selling for double retail for the ceramic bezel, and at least $5K over retail for a pre-owned stainless bezel. I just couldn't justify spending that much. When the Sea-Dweller 50th anniversary model came out, I loved it. I have a bigger wrist and liked the rugged look of it. And I could get one for just $1k over retail, so I jumped on it. Now I do still love this watch, and if having both was possible, I would do that. But after owning it for a year and a half, I find I'm still wanting the Daytona and am thinking about selling the SD and saving up the difference to buy a Daytona.
@@TonyMajo get the daytona bro, you deserve it, you want it and you only have this one life, this small amount of time, you can afford it.. no actually you can't afford NOT to get it. buy the daytona. i'm pumped for you, i know you wil make the right decision. believe me getting JUST what you want, it's the feeling we were meant to have on this planet, everything else is just passing time until we can feel that again, cheers!
@@reiko57 I absolutely will! You got me all fired up, man! Even my wife is now telling me to keep the Sea Dweller AND get the Daytona. What a keeper. Life is too short not to live the life you want. From something like buying what you like, to doing something you can be proud of. It all matters. Cheers!
@@TonyMajo absolutely if you like what you have- DONT SELL IT, save if you must but keep the sea-dweller, sometimes in life sacrifice is necessary but we are talking about rolexes here, not worrying about feeding your children lol, as long as all needs are met and of course you are meeting some of your family's wants as well (don't be selfish, it's just not gentlemanly)- keep the sea-dweller. get the perfect colors that you want in your daytona, don't settle at all, and you are going to feel so satisfied when you slide that bad boy on your wrist. i sold a prized hockey jersey to help fund a watch i wanted once, signed authenticated sergei fedorov red wings jersey that has a specially made case and everything, and while i liked the watch, my prized jersey was gone forever, never coming back, so i absolutely agree you have a treasure of a wife and you should listen to her, when the wife says ok- you are good to go! take yes for an answer lol. congrats and enjoy it in good health man, just rewards for a job well done!
About point 02 - I have bought quite a few vintage watches from no name dealers i.e. private persons and found them, if not knowledgeable but in the majority as honest as any professional watch seller. Less expensive ,too. I don`t take much note of what the seller says anyway. An old watch is always a risk and generally it is wise to add the cost of an inspection or service by your trusted watchmaker to the calculated purchase price.
Actually actively hunted for the quartz version of my aqua terra. Besides the price reduction, the utilitarian aspect within a high end watch holds great value for me. I do find myself thinking twice about the automatic, but then again I have others in my collection to fulfill that purpose. Great video and totally agree with all those points!
Same here man, I just bought a quartz Aqua Terra to be my daily beater watch. I have the Speedy and Seamaster 300m automatic which I only use for the weekends or special occasions.👍
I agree more with two points of your video. I am not an expert (I'm just a watch sympathizer) but for me you're right on fashion watches and substitute watches. In the end quality > quantity and patience > impatience.
My list: 1) Second Hand watches. 2) No watch deserves more than 1000$. 3) Those worse than the cheapest Casio. 4) Those without a good background in making watches.
I own Seikos and Casios ( all quartz ) but my late dad was a well accomplished watchmaker and I watch your channel with his spirit by my side .... that makes me a devoted fan of your channel and I wear that with pride . Blessings , Fed .
Get a seiko 5 snk805 or 809. I was all quartz and idk there's just a magic to mechanical watchs. I got it as a gift to myself for a promotion. Loving it.
Great points, love my quartz watches though because they have a place on the market but a expensive one is a nono, i can see someone pay up to 2000$ for a good tool watch, it's way more durable and accurate than a manual or automatic.
Excellent advise as always Fed. I have bought some new, one with a really good discount and the other one at the time had been updated, and I preferred it to the pre-owned ones. The rest are pre-owned and that always feels better. 😉👍
Love the vid as always Fed - and noted the mention of other TH-camrs settling for a quartz Royal Oak, although I'm sure you didn't mean anyone in particular...
Have to agree. Would never buy a tag for instance. My dream watch is by F.P Journe. In the meantime I'm waiting for a blue faced Milgauss so I can sell my Submariner. Ordered back in June
Agree ALMOST completely: I wanted a trench watch and could not bring myself to pay thousands for a Zenith or Longines version so I got a Steinhart Military instead and love it. Beautiful quality watch and much cheaper than a legacy brand.
I realize this is an older thread - but I will offer an opposing view. Fed, when I buy a watch, I'm not buying it to resell it. I plan to keep it, wear it, enjoy it! After I'm gone, someone else will get it - for free. With that in mind, I am game for something like the quartz Ebel Classic Wave. I will spend my $1500 and have it - and the $4500 I have left over (by not getting a Rolex or Omega), I will spend on new furniture or travel - or I'll bank it. Getting expensive mechanical watches is not the only solution to life.
I was in the market for my first mechanical watch ever. Was looking at the new Seiko 5 Sport and a cheaper Orient Mako. Saved $200 and got the Orient - no regrets! :P Substitute watches aren't always bad!
Couldn't agree more. The most expensive watch you'll ever buy, is the one you bought instead of the one you really wanted. Not my quote, but one I always remember before pulling the trigger.
Once again you are absolutely right!!! I own 3 expensive timepieces and I worked very hard and saved up for a long time before buying each of them during different periods, and I’m very proud of them. Along the way I was very tempted by other lesser timepieces but I didn’t get those and stuck it out till I had the money to buy what I really wanted
I think I'm the oddball. I was never really over the moon for the Royal Oak but, I'm now diggin' Pelton's homage big time. I do agree with you though. As I got older I can delay gratification more easily. It doesn't matter what it is I now tend to buy much less things but, all of the things are generally higher quality.
Excellent point on never getting a sub watch due to budget. It will never never never be the same and eventually u might even try to sell it off at a lost and getting what u really wanted. Definitely if the margin is too great then maybe some sub might be the only alternative but if it’s a stretch! Wait and safe up.
Good advise, I only do vintage watches though, just something about them that gets me! In all honesty listen to this guy, know your watches and maintain them meticulously and vintages will be great.
as a wta enthuast and at 92 I am disposing of my collection and have been at that for 4 years I cant believe the increase in prices in just a few months
Always wanted a GoldenEye Bond since... well, forever! So I'm very very happy with my Seamaster quartz. For me it's all about the dial, the scalloped bezel. Next watch for me will be the 231.10.39.21.03.001 Aqua Terra (Skyfall). I have equal amounts of Swiss autos and quartz in my collection. Each to their own - but I adore my do-anything Seamaster quartz.
A few things about Fed- He's a watch snob, he loathes quartz watches. He is dismissive of inexpensive to moderately priced watches. About 6 months back he did a video where he basically slammed people who collect watches like Seiko, Hamilton, G-Shock etc (yeah, I know that like once year he trots out an SKX in a video to show he can be a regular watch guy- but I don't buy it). The implication was you can't be a real watch enthusiast unless you're going for the luxury level of Rolex/Omega and up. And above all he's a WATCH DEALER. He has a vested interest to push absurdly priced timepieces and back hand non luxury level watches.
I disagree on that point, because TV's loose a hell lot of value in no time. So e.g. if your favorite TV costs 3 Grand, just buy a mid-tier TV for 300 bucks and wait two years. Solution: You'll get your high-class TV for a fraction of the original price, AND had a good TV that got the job done for two years. If TV's would hold their price tag like a lot of watches do, I would agree with you on not settling for a mid-tier TV.
@@maxschmidt666 Buying the older model is a good move also. there isn't much difference between the 2020 version and the 2019 version, but the 2020 will be twice the price. But absolutely never, ever, ever buy a display model, no matter how cheap, that thing has been running +12h a day for who knows how long.
That Breguet Marine is such a stunning watch! I agree on the AP quartz thing but I bought a Seamaster quartz because the first ones sold as seen on ‘Goldeneye’ were quartz.
Been a professional watchmaker for 35 years! US and Swiss Certified! Also I buy and sell! I wish more people would go into what companies to avoid that totally screw people over in their service departments.
I just ordered a Paul Rich Kings Jade.. good or bad choice? It's my second watch. First I bought 10 years ago for not too much.. I ordered the Jade because I can't afford a Audemars Piguet Black Panther...... I don't think I made a bad choice.
Bravo Federico! You always come up with very solid advise. I concur absolutely. I always watch your presentations. I think you are one of the best reviwers and advisers down there. Cheers from Portugal
When he said substitute watches it got me in the feels because i bought a Tudor Gmt to substitute my desire for a Batman Gmt (for which I've been on a waiting list for 2 years).
Adrian from Bark & Jack, and Jennie Elle just had a conversation about "substitute" watches only within the last month. I'd say to each his own in this department. There are a lot of nice watches I would like to buy (vintage & new). I'm in this for the long game. #tryingtobepatient Fed talks about "crap" watches in this video. Let me just say this, about this video. M'eh!
If you knew a bit more about vintage watches you would know that some are so rare that independants are the only way to buy them. I have a 1982 Girard Perregaux and it is the only one I have ever seen... I can't find a single image of it on the Internet as it is limited edition. You can't go to just any store for decent vintage watches or ones with limited production. Also water damage can be repaired with no telltale signs if you actually go to a quality watch repair shop or send it to the actual manufacturer. Also I will entirely agree with your thoughts on the quarts watches... I have several and its great when you don't have to be on a waiting list XD
Frederico, I notice on your website that you sell Dubey and Schaldenbrand watches. I am not familiar with the brand, and would love to see you do a video explaining the history of the brand and position Dubey against the other Swiss brands. I have gone to their website, but I am interested in learning about the quality of their movements (maybe Hans knows) and the engineering that goes into this brand. Also learning about Dubey's service network in the USA for post sale service. Since you have several for sale, I am sure the ROA (rest of the audience) is interested too.
Could you do a video of overpriced watches you'd never buy new but are great used buys? I bought a used Bremont at almost half price and I love it for that money
Good advice and I appreciate you answering my question I sent in about Filippo Loreti watches. I agree that used watches are a better value, but there are bargains out there on new watches (e.g. 50% off list) from reliable online dealers if you are patient and know where to look.
I bought 3 Valuchi Automatic 4 months ago; one does not function. I could only get in touch with them once 3 months ago, out of 20 times: ‘ We will be in touch with you’ . Since then nothing. Their customer service emails and phone does not work. It is from Hong Kong and not Italy or Holland as advertised. If Valuchi is reading this, -please tell me what to do. They supposed to have 2 years guarantee and their reputation is still salvageable if they respond and replace etc.
Is the Omega Speedmaster Professional a good first higher end watch? My most expensive and highest quality watch currently is my Seiko 5 snzh57k1 but I am looking at getting my first luxury watch at the end of the year.
Indeed, settling for second best is great advise. I've been saving for a Grand Seiko Spring Drive, I was greatly tempted to settle for a Quartz Grand Seiko--still an excellent watch, but I would have yearned for Spring Drive anyway. So, I'm still salting away--saving for the actual Spring Drive I crave.
I had a pebble1, a beautiful red one, but directly after fitbit took over pebble all backing of that watch ended and made it useless as a smartwatch. Shortly there after it met with a 22 cal slug, no more smartwatches for me.😂
@@Alias_Anybody they only made those the first year. I like my Apple watch but its a device, not a conventional watch. It will be dated in four years. Buying the gold one was as dumb as the people who buy sold gold smart phones.
I sadly committed sin No. 5, buying a substitute watch, and the regret is real and overwhelming. Learn from my mistake people. So I found out about the 2021 Seiko Ginza Alpinist about 3 months after it was released, it's astonishingly pretty and it's like it was designed to appeal to my tastes, I love that Green/Blue colour. Anyhow it was MASSIVELY popular and so it was COMPLETELY sold out and I searched everywhere relentlessly, even e-mailing retailers to see if they had any in stock. The Used Market was selling it for $2k USD and I just wasn't willing to pay that much. However I was browsing some watch sites on the Black Friday Weekend and I saw the Seiko Ginza Presage discounted down to $650 from it's $895 RRP. It has the same basic dial pattern but a bunch of other changes. But it still had that beautiful Ginza Brick pattern and colour so I thought I'd go for it. It arrived. I opened it up. I was overwhelmed with disappointment. It's hideous, sincerely one of the ugliest watches of 2021, the dial is overly cluttered with an open heart & 24 hour subdial, it has a big black bezel that darkens the whole appearance of the watch, the indices are bigger and so the light doesn't catch and play with the beautiful intricate brick pattern the way it does on the Alpinist version which is much cleaner. Also the press shots do not accurately reflect the colours of the dial, it's so dark and dull by comparison. Ultimately I took it out of the box, put it on my wrist, looked at it under various types of light only to find it looked awful under all of them, and then put it back in the box and I've still got it sitting there unopened since. It's effectively brand new, it still has the plastic protector stickers on the bracelet and rear. I'm planning to sell it online. I pray I can recoup the $650 I payed for it but I actually feel bad about selling it, like there is no way whoever buys it off me is going to be pleased by it, it feels like I'm planning to scam someone so when I do sell it I'm going to have to put up that disclaimer so I don't disappoint someone. It's so bad that I've seen it on a few TH-camr's 'Worst Watches of 2021' lists. Never Again! I've learned my lesson!
The Urban Gentry guy seems to have a similar opinion on DW watches (he thinks they’re the worst out there), so the guy who owns DW must be super-good at marketing
My purpose in buying a watch is simple and primitive: to know the accurate time! I've had a Citizen Eco Drive Skyhawk for more than 12 years and it has been wonderful! I'd never buy or use any other type.
I pretty much agree with this. One thing, buying new that depreciates but a) is what you love and as a first owner, it may not be collectible later and b) got you closer with the AD in the grail watch that is worth much more. My wife wanted a two tone date just and doesn’t want used. If paying retail and taking a hit get me closer to my ceramic Daytona panda, I’m ok with it
approach to hobby can be different for different people and it make sense not to waste a lot of money on it and get satisfaction at the same time. Quartz watch actually can be good fit for many because it simplifies maintenance.
Absolutely spot-on advise. Just a question re. pre-owned watches: if it looks perfect and runs perfect will it stay that way even if its been dropped?.
Advise given is a good for watch dealer but unlikely will satisfy most collectors. Collect whatever you like but watch dealers prefer collectors who can bring business to them (nothing wrong there).
Good real life info Fed. I'm sure most if not all of us bought that piece then experienced remorse. Is there one piece that stands out for you that comes mind that you regret buying?
I love the comment on substitute watches. I'm a multiple time substitute buyer and I can't seem to learn my lesson. Patience is not a virtue I have in watch buying.
I disagree with the quartz vs the automatic. I love Quartz because you don’t have to keep setting the watch every time you wanna wear it. And yes I knowing take all of 3-5mins so set a watch and the date, but it get annoying when you have a selection of watches and have to keep doing it.
Thank you for your honest advice Frederico. Questions: 1) Smith’s Everest PRS25...Good or crap? 2) Alpha Explorer w/Seagull movements...Good or crap? Thank you
If you are Kevin O'Leary, then, you can buy whatever you want and call it an investment. If you are the average or above average Joe, already owning a Rolex and/or Omega (or not), then, micro brand watch collecting can be very satisfying and fun to wear. There are so many watches out there that I am still discovering that are not Rolex, Omega, Patek Philippe and Cartier in the micro brand universe that are not scary to wear outside a Bank vault safety deposit room. P.S. You are a stylish guy, however, the pink BB shirt is a miss and seem a bit odd due to the fact the sleeves hang so low on your biceps. You probably have already donated much of your clothing to a charity since your transformation, bravo.
6th : heavily discounted luxury watches! If you buy a $30,000 watch for $3,000, the service cost, spare parts and accessories won't be discounted at all. You'll ending up paying $1500+ (any replaced parts on top of that) every 5 years just to keep it running. Don't get into that kind of trouble if your pocket isn't deep enough!
Quartz movements being generally superior to to mechanical movements, buying a luxury watch with a quartz movement is a smart thing. Unless one prefers Model T’s to Porsches.
I think quartz seamasters are actually really neat. I love restoring and modding mechanical watches, but when it comes to buying something I won't be tooling around on, I'd be happy to get a quartz version (chronos excluded). I've even put a quartz movement into an SKX.
Water: I see every now and then watch listings that say "no longer water resistant." Is this the same as water damaged? Would you stay away from such watches?
Seals or crown could be damaged etc. You can sort little issues and then just get it water resistance tested. It’s a risk if you can’t see the actual movement which you often don’t on eBay. Any decent seller will give you pictures if you ask. Water damaged usually means corrosion to the actual movement, this is just my experience so don’t put any faith into it. Generally I would say if you can’t see pictures of movement don’t chance your money 👍🏻
Watch dealers will generally say “no longer water resistant” on vintage watches. The watch could still be waterproof up to its water rating. However since seals deteriorate over time, the dealer doesn’t want to guarantee as such and risk having to accept a refund.
Somebody has to buy new watches so you can buy them used, I speak for myself and I buy new watches and keep them. Watches I just want to test I buy used
01 fashion watches
02 vintage watches from no name dealers
03 vintage with water damage
04 watches where you lose money on
05 substitute watch (watch you bought instead of the one you wanted but couldn't afford).
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#4 you're going to lose money on 98% of every watch you buy.
That mvmt watch in video looks good, trust me!
I'll always keep a Fossil or 2 in my collection. It's what got me into watches when my late mother got me one for my 10th birthday. Never forget where you come from
I also have a watch my mum got me for my 14th- a smallish Sekonda faux diver in gun metal 😂 I never wear it but stuck it on a nato and I like having it there.
Will forever keep mine. 10 years old, pilot style. Everyday beater and not even a single scratch on the case or the glass...and I was a waiter!) Was a gift from my girl.
I’m a fan of the unusual, automatic, non-skeleton Fossil watch.
Plain citizen eco drive, steel bracelet and black dial . It was my first real watch my parents got me for Xmas. Now I own a Hamilton, Longines, and saving for a Laureato :)
A fossil gift is what got me in the game when I was 15, I don't wear it anymore but I'll never take it out of that top left spot in my watch box. The fossil is n°1.
And since he didn't mention it on his top 5 list, I'll take that as an official endorsement to buy INVICTA.
Liked this comment while wearing my invicta
I own 30 pieces and I bought a speedway invicta, for the hell of it but rarely wear it, but I do check its accuracy from time to time and be damned , the bloody thing is very accurate,
I have a small collection now and started many years ago with Invicta. While I probably wouldn't put out much more than $100 for one these days, the 2 I have are very near and dear to my heart...
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The pro diver is a great watch for the price. Functional & practical!
Don't buy substitute watches, definitely. I've been collecting for a while and in the past I have settled for the second best thinking I'll be satisfied. I always ended up buying my original choice. When you buy the second best option all you're doing is wasting your money.
Also 'entry level luxury watches'. Somehow people think if they'll spend savings on a cheapest Rolex they can find, it will automatically open the doors to all luxury watches. No it won't. You'll just get stuck with some expensive watch you don't even like.
I don't mind some quartz watches, especially the solar powered ones, because as a daily wear watch you can just put it on and you don't have to set the time every time. I missed out on an Omega Aqua Terra Quartz for $900 at a store that was going out of business. I'm still kicking myself for not picking it up. Such a nice piece for daily wear and now more than twice that price.
You could save a lot of money on a quartz piece if that's all you want.
Your Seamaster comment hit me directly between the eyes. I wanted the Co-Axial but couldn’t bring myself to spend the money. I bought the quartz Seamaster for half the price and now I can’t even give the thing away. I should have waited...
I sold mine and bought the auto.
Depends on the vintage watch, I always check the reputation of the EBay seller, before I buy. That way, if it goes wrong, I can send it back. I recently bought a 70s citizen day date 21 Jewel, the seller passed the ratings test and I have zero regrets, it's a gorgeous watch and it's very reliable.
It took me a year to save up and purchase my new Omega. It was worth the wait. Buying new from an AD was the way to go. Fun video Fed!
Stunning. What a great afford. Saving for a long time and then purchasing your Dream watch
Congrats on your purchase, but buying an omega new from an AD is never the way to go
Still saving lol
At least you can do that with Omega, try buying a Rolex new from an AD 🤣 I went into an AD the other day to see how long the list is and there’s a 5 year waiting list for a sub, they literally won’t take my money 🤦🏻♂️
Not sure if it’s like that in the USA but it is here in the UK...
Which omega was it?
I’ve had my rare black face Lorus Titanium quartz field watch since the early 1990s. Only bought it as a stopgap because I lost a Longines. But it’s now my favourite, not least because it always keeps great time (unlike me) - gains maybe 10 seconds over 12 months!
Just checked, it’s actually just 6 seconds! The reason to buy a quartz is reliably and low service costs. The reason to buy a cheap quartz with a Seiko movement is a no brainer. I paid £35 for mine, when £35 was worth £35. Today the money is worth less, but the watch is actually cheaper!! But I can’t find a black face anywhere.
I bought a Seiko SARB033 as my first watch two weeks ago. I really want a Rolex Explorer 1 or the new OP in Green, but neither can be found where I’m at. And I definitely won’t pay $10k on chrono24. I did technically buy a substitute watch, but I was told by several people I should buy a cheaper watch first to get used to automatic watches. So far I absolutely love it, but you’re right, I can’t help but wish it was an Explorer at times.
That's ok because the sarb is only like 300 bucks. Enjoy it
I bought the SARB033 and modded it with a fluted bezel and a cyclops crystal. Just so much fun.
You’ll get a lot of enjoyment out of your SARB033. I know what you mean about the Explorer but come on that price is insane.
@@blaiseng7380 I wish they were still that cheap, but point taken.
@@eyeheartsushi2212 retail price for Rolex is already inflated, but then the gray market makes it twice as bad. Folks are really asking $10,000 for the brand new Rolex OP’s on Chrono24. For an entry level piece. It’s ridiculous.
I don't understand the hate towards quartz watches. I bought a Seiko and rarely use it. I use my quartz watches more because they don't need to be dialed to the proper hour again every single time I want to wear it. This also made me realize maybe a more expensive automatic in the 1k+ range is not worth it for me. In addition, let's not forget to mention the additional money it takes to service an expensive automatic watch. I'm the type of person that just puts on the watch and forgets about it. I use my watches to tell time not to look whether it's automatic or quartz.
There are a lot of sides to that argument. you're right on most of those points. But there some things that sway many watch collectors towards mechanical watches. Its the beauty of the sweeping second hand as opposed to a ticking one. Its the idea that so much more design and work goes into an automatic watch than your typical quartz movement. Its having a connection to a legacy of watchmaking that has been passed down for centuries of watchmaking. Its a skill and a artistry that quartz doesn't appeal too. I will also throw this out there to those that are new to watch collecting, if something is wrong with a mechanical watch it is fixable or 'servicable' while a quartz movement would have to be replaced if it isn't working properly.
I will say i personally don't hate quartz watches as a whole. I think everyone should wear watches and quartz make more sense for some people. But i know as a watch collector i am far more interested in automatic or mechanical pieces
Good advice! That's why I bought a new Patek Philippe that I liked the most straight from the main-street dealer.
I will never lose more than 20 bucks on it, cause that's how much I paid for it to the nice elderly lady, when I was on vacation in Vietnam.
I'd rather the quartz Royal Oak. When I saw it on TGV's channel, the size, the thinness, it was like, that is the correct dimensions for that particular design!
Good point on quartz, them and manual you can make thinner. And if my dayly watch was an automatic it would probably be broken by now, it have been through so much crap and i have only changed pins two times and battery two times in 7 years.
I'm with you, last time I bought a new watch, it was a Wal Mart Casio. The rest have been barely used. Let someone else drive it off the lot and take the loss. Of course some watches will appreciate, but you're already shelling out a shit ton for those brands up front.
I have an Apple watch for work (mostly for steps, heart rate and view email), I use a G-shock Mudmaster for camping and going to the gun range and a Rolex Milgauss for everything else. Had multiple Tags, 2 Bell and Ross and an Omega but somehow I am picking up magnetism and kept having to have them demagnetized. My collection of 20 is now down to 3, never been happier.
I would always prefer a quartz moon phase watch over an auto moon phase watch. Why? Because I don't have watch winders, and I wouldn't want to reset a moon phase auto every time I put it back into my watch rotation and wear it.
Also watches that cost a significant percentage of the purchase price to service and maintain. Example - APROO rubber clad.
Substitute watches... Should be one of the collector commandments.
Many ADs are actually making some discounts around 10-15% so then depreciation isn’t really going to be high. Buying used watch is always a risk unless you buy it from well know seller. Although buying used from well known seller sometimes almost matches the price of new watch with discount straight from AD :)
I just caught a 30 percent discount on a watch by accident. My card was
flagged for fraud for some reason and it wouldn't process. The next day
when I tried again the watch was on a huge sale xD
Mostly good advice. However, if you have to save up to buy an expensive mechanical watch, that means that you are generally a person with limited funds. Okay, you saved the money and got your watch. Now it eventually comes time to have it serviced. You send it back to the manufacturer, and they hit you with a $600 bill, and often times more. There are a lot of very nice watches for that amount. Or, you have your dreamed of watch, costing an arm and a leg, and you are now afraid of damaging it. You become somewhat hyper aware of it. My question is this: where is the line drawn between you owning the watch and the watch owning you? If you have deep pockets who cares, but for most of us I would say get a watch you like, you don't have to save for years for, is reliable, dependable, and doesn't cost more than a house payment to service.
I can't agree with you more. Yours is the smartest comment under this video👍
“I’d like to not get screwed over, without vaseline” 😂😂😂😂
Or with Vaseline.
If it makes any difference, I don’t think the Vaseline will be a great comfort! Lol.
One should really use a water-based lubricant instead. Just saying - you do you, in the end.
Fed likes to be screwed over with Vaseline apparently.
@@karimdelakarim THIS! Does the lube really make a difference to the scenario?
I bought the tantalum AP RO Nick Faldo 56175TT not because I couldn’t afford a larger automatic AP (indeed I own other vintage APs which have intricately engraved automatic movements) but because I like that specific model. It has an amazing feel on the wrist and wears larger than it’s 33mm diameter. The 36mm tantalum automatic model doesn’t have the same proportions being substantially and disproportionately thicker. Just throwing out a differing opinion on a particular quartz RO.
Man, couldn't agree more on the 'substitute watch.' I did that not once, but twice. And sorely regret it to this day.
What were your substitute watches?
@@888kingster The first one will seem really bad to most people reading here. I wanted a Panerai Luminor 1950 3 Days GMT PAM00441 Ceramic, but the thought of spending $10K on a watch seemed so out of reach to me. So I bought a Nixon watch that had a similar case shape in matte black with antiqued numbers. I even had a custom made strap to really finish off the look. Like Fed said, I enjoyed it for a month or so, then realized it didn't even compare.
The second was more recent and less egregious, but the result was the same. Being primarily a car racing fan, I have always wanted a Daytona. I always liked the Submariner too, but if I had to pick just one, I wanted the Daytona. I was at the point in my life where spending $10K on a watch didn't seem so unreasonable anymore, but of course the Daytona was selling for double retail for the ceramic bezel, and at least $5K over retail for a pre-owned stainless bezel. I just couldn't justify spending that much. When the Sea-Dweller 50th anniversary model came out, I loved it. I have a bigger wrist and liked the rugged look of it. And I could get one for just $1k over retail, so I jumped on it. Now I do still love this watch, and if having both was possible, I would do that. But after owning it for a year and a half, I find I'm still wanting the Daytona and am thinking about selling the SD and saving up the difference to buy a Daytona.
@@TonyMajo get the daytona bro, you deserve it, you want it and you only have this one life, this small amount of time, you can afford it.. no actually you can't afford NOT to get it. buy the daytona. i'm pumped for you, i know you wil make the right decision. believe me getting JUST what you want, it's the feeling we were meant to have on this planet, everything else is just passing time until we can feel that again, cheers!
@@reiko57 I absolutely will! You got me all fired up, man! Even my wife is now telling me to keep the Sea Dweller AND get the Daytona. What a keeper. Life is too short not to live the life you want. From something like buying what you like, to doing something you can be proud of. It all matters. Cheers!
@@TonyMajo absolutely if you like what you have- DONT SELL IT, save if you must but keep the sea-dweller, sometimes in life sacrifice is necessary but we are talking about rolexes here, not worrying about feeding your children lol, as long as all needs are met and of course you are meeting some of your family's wants as well (don't be selfish, it's just not gentlemanly)- keep the sea-dweller. get the perfect colors that you want in your daytona, don't settle at all, and you are going to feel so satisfied when you slide that bad boy on your wrist. i sold a prized hockey jersey to help fund a watch i wanted once, signed authenticated sergei fedorov red wings jersey that has a specially made case and everything, and while i liked the watch, my prized jersey was gone forever, never coming back, so i absolutely agree you have a treasure of a wife and you should listen to her, when the wife says ok- you are good to go! take yes for an answer lol. congrats and enjoy it in good health man, just rewards for a job well done!
About point 02 - I have bought quite a few vintage watches from no name dealers i.e. private persons and found them, if not knowledgeable but in the majority as honest as any professional watch seller. Less expensive ,too. I don`t take much note of what the seller says anyway. An old watch is always a risk and generally it is wise to add the cost of an inspection or service by your trusted watchmaker to the calculated purchase price.
Actually actively hunted for the quartz version of my aqua terra. Besides the price reduction, the utilitarian aspect within a high end watch holds great value for me. I do find myself thinking twice about the automatic, but then again I have others in my collection to fulfill that purpose. Great video and totally agree with all those points!
Same here man, I just bought a quartz Aqua Terra to be my daily beater watch. I have the Speedy and Seamaster 300m automatic which I only use for the weekends or special occasions.👍
Love your videos. Good advice on buying pre-owned, there are a lot of sites out there selling them...do you have a couple of recommendations?
I agree more with two points of your video. I am not an expert (I'm just a watch sympathizer) but for me you're right on fashion watches and substitute watches. In the end quality > quantity and patience > impatience.
My list:
1) Second Hand watches.
2) No watch deserves more than 1000$.
3) Those worse than the cheapest Casio.
4) Those without a good background in making watches.
I own Seikos and Casios ( all quartz ) but my late dad was a well accomplished watchmaker and I watch your channel with his spirit by my side .... that makes me a devoted fan of your channel and I wear that with pride . Blessings , Fed .
Get a seiko 5 snk805 or 809. I was all quartz and idk there's just a magic to mechanical watchs. I got it as a gift to myself for a promotion. Loving it.
I like quartz , I don't like automatics . Yes , I'm one of those guys .
Great points, love my quartz watches though because they have a place on the market but a expensive one is a nono, i can see someone pay up to 2000$ for a good tool watch, it's way more durable and accurate than a manual or automatic.
Excellent advise as always Fed. I have bought some new, one with a really good discount and the other one at the time had been updated, and I preferred it to the pre-owned ones. The rest are pre-owned and that always feels better. 😉👍
Love the vid as always Fed - and noted the mention of other TH-camrs settling for a quartz Royal Oak, although I'm sure you didn't mean anyone in particular...
lmao
Lol wonder who he meant.
We will never know!
Of course, we totally don't know what this is about. TBH it could be totally a random hit. Buuut, well... youtube drama :D
I think your absolutely right.
So I saved my money and, when I could afford it, bought a Sea Hawk Pro. Thanks for the advice. Love your show.
Defo TGV call out....didn't TGV mention in a recent video not to trust TH-camrs who are watch dealers also.....
I figured TGV was talking about Teddy
So tgv's best friend marc cant be trusted either? Damn
I thought he retired lol
@@Yoshikaable so did I
Tgv is a knob
Have to agree. Would never buy a tag for instance. My dream watch is by F.P Journe. In the meantime I'm waiting for a blue faced Milgauss so I can sell my Submariner. Ordered back in June
Agree ALMOST completely: I wanted a trench watch and could not bring myself to pay thousands for a Zenith or Longines version so I got a Steinhart Military instead and love it. Beautiful quality watch and much cheaper than a legacy brand.
@pc the old expensive ones as opposed to micro brands
@pc I have only had good experiences so far: Steinhart, Christopher Ward and Meccaniche Veneziane
@pc indeed. what do you think of the Landeron24 ?
I realize this is an older thread - but I will offer an opposing view. Fed, when I buy a watch, I'm not buying it to resell it. I plan to keep it, wear it, enjoy it! After I'm gone, someone else will get it - for free. With that in mind, I am game for something like the quartz Ebel Classic Wave. I will spend my $1500 and have it - and the $4500 I have left over (by not getting a Rolex or Omega), I will spend on new furniture or travel - or I'll bank it. Getting expensive mechanical watches is not the only solution to life.
Your comment on Baume & Mercier cut deep. I really regret that purchase. Thanks for your advice.
I was in the market for my first mechanical watch ever. Was looking at the new Seiko 5 Sport and a cheaper Orient Mako. Saved $200 and got the Orient - no regrets! :P Substitute watches aren't always bad!
I love Seiko but am not impressed by the new rebranded 5 series. And you will never go wrong with an Orient
Couldn't agree more. The most expensive watch you'll ever buy, is the one you bought instead of the one you really wanted. Not my quote, but one I always remember before pulling the trigger.
Once again you are absolutely right!!! I own 3 expensive timepieces and I worked very hard and saved up for a long time before buying each of them during different periods, and I’m very proud of them. Along the way I was very tempted by other lesser timepieces but I didn’t get those and stuck it out till I had the money to buy what I really wanted
I think I'm the oddball. I was never really over the moon for the Royal Oak but, I'm now diggin' Pelton's homage big time. I do agree with you though. As I got older I can delay gratification more easily. It doesn't matter what it is I now tend to buy much less things but, all of the things are generally higher quality.
Excellent point on never getting a sub watch due to budget.
It will never never never be the same and eventually u might even try to sell it off at a lost and getting what u really wanted.
Definitely if the margin is too great then maybe some sub might be the only alternative but if it’s a stretch! Wait and safe up.
Great advice Fed! BTW, I just bought an Omega Seamaster Professional from you and I love it!
Good advise, I only do vintage watches though, just something about them that gets me! In all honesty listen to this guy, know your watches and maintain them meticulously and vintages will be great.
as a wta enthuast and at 92 I am disposing of my collection and have been at that for 4 years
I cant believe the increase in prices in just a few months
Always wanted a GoldenEye Bond since... well, forever! So I'm very very happy with my Seamaster quartz. For me it's all about the dial, the scalloped bezel. Next watch for me will be the 231.10.39.21.03.001 Aqua Terra (Skyfall). I have equal amounts of Swiss autos and quartz in my collection. Each to their own - but I adore my do-anything Seamaster quartz.
A few things about Fed- He's a watch snob, he loathes quartz watches. He is dismissive of inexpensive to moderately priced watches. About 6 months back he did a video where he basically slammed people who collect watches like Seiko, Hamilton, G-Shock etc (yeah, I know that like once year he trots out an SKX in a video to show he can be a regular watch guy- but I don't buy it). The implication was you can't be a real watch enthusiast unless you're going for the luxury level of Rolex/Omega and up. And above all he's a WATCH DEALER. He has a vested interest to push absurdly priced timepieces and back hand non luxury level watches.
That last one is a general tip for all shopping Fed. That's why I ain't settling for a mid-tier TV. :P
I disagree on that point, because TV's loose a hell lot of value in no time. So e.g. if your favorite TV costs 3 Grand, just buy a mid-tier TV for 300 bucks and wait two years.
Solution: You'll get your high-class TV for a fraction of the original price, AND had a good TV that got the job done for two years.
If TV's would hold their price tag like a lot of watches do, I would agree with you on not settling for a mid-tier TV.
@@maxschmidt666 Buying the older model is a good move also. there isn't much difference between the 2020 version and the 2019 version, but the 2020 will be twice the price. But absolutely never, ever, ever buy a display model, no matter how cheap, that thing has been running +12h a day for who knows how long.
This is so true, you end up spending twice sometimes.
That Breguet Marine is such a stunning watch! I agree on the AP quartz thing but I bought a Seamaster quartz because the first ones sold as seen on ‘Goldeneye’ were quartz.
Been a professional watchmaker for 35 years! US and Swiss Certified! Also I buy and sell! I wish more people would go into what companies to avoid that totally screw people over in their service departments.
Could you name a few off the top of your head?
I just ordered a Paul Rich Kings Jade.. good or bad choice? It's my second watch. First I bought 10 years ago for not too much.. I ordered the Jade because I can't afford a Audemars Piguet Black Panther...... I don't think I made a bad choice.
Bravo Federico! You always come up with very solid advise. I concur absolutely. I always watch your presentations. I think you are one of the best reviwers and advisers down there. Cheers from Portugal
Yeah that last point is the toughest, but very true. Best save and win rather than hasty and lose.
Great video!! Any thoughts on Zeno-watch bazel brand? Can’t find much on TH-cam. But seem ok ?
I’d take a quartz seamaster. But only the Pierce Brosnan Bond one.
I have a black quartz seamaster, it's bloody lovely and always set to the right time.
Grab n go when everything else needs setting hahahahah
Yeah I use my Goldeneye Seamaster quartz to keep the proper time for my mechanical watches. I guess I could use my phone but what fun is that? Ha ha
When he said substitute watches it got me in the feels because i bought a Tudor Gmt to substitute my desire for a Batman Gmt (for which I've been on a waiting list for 2 years).
Adrian from Bark & Jack, and Jennie Elle just had a conversation about "substitute" watches only within the last month. I'd say to each his own in this department. There are a lot of nice watches I would like to buy (vintage & new). I'm in this for the long game. #tryingtobepatient
Fed talks about "crap" watches in this video. Let me just say this, about this video. M'eh!
What watch is that on your wrist??? Love that
If you knew a bit more about vintage watches you would know that some are so rare that independants are the only way to buy them. I have a 1982 Girard Perregaux and it is the only one I have ever seen... I can't find a single image of it on the Internet as it is limited edition. You can't go to just any store for decent vintage watches or ones with limited production.
Also water damage can be repaired with no telltale signs if you actually go to a quality watch repair shop or send it to the actual manufacturer.
Also I will entirely agree with your thoughts on the quarts watches... I have several and its great when you don't have to be on a waiting list XD
“I’d like to not get screwed over without Vaseline” damnnnnn 😂
..so with that said..if there is Vaseline??…
Designer watches are definitely a no-no for anyone that has owned an expensive watch.
Thanks brother, I’m new to watches and value your advice. I will keep an eye on your website for my next watch to return the goodness.
Frederico, I notice on your website that you sell Dubey and Schaldenbrand watches. I am not familiar with the brand, and would love to see you do a video explaining the history of the brand and position Dubey against the other Swiss brands. I have gone to their website, but I am interested in learning about the quality of their movements (maybe Hans knows) and the engineering that goes into this brand. Also learning about Dubey's service network in the USA for post sale service. Since you have several for sale, I am sure the ROA (rest of the audience) is interested too.
Could you do a video of overpriced watches you'd never buy new but are great used buys?
I bought a used Bremont at almost half price and I love it for that money
Good advice and I appreciate you answering my question I sent in about Filippo Loreti watches. I agree that used watches are a better value, but there are bargains out there on new watches (e.g. 50% off list) from reliable online dealers if you are patient and know where to look.
I bought 3 Valuchi Automatic 4 months ago; one does not function. I could only get in touch with them once 3 months ago, out of 20 times: ‘ We will be in touch with you’ . Since then nothing. Their customer service emails and phone does not work. It is from Hong Kong and not Italy or Holland as advertised. If Valuchi is reading this, -please tell me what to do. They supposed to have 2 years guarantee and their reputation is still salvageable if they respond and replace etc.
Is the Omega Speedmaster Professional a good first higher end watch? My most expensive and highest quality watch currently is my Seiko 5 snzh57k1 but I am looking at getting my first luxury watch at the end of the year.
Indeed, settling for second best is great advise. I've been saving for a Grand Seiko Spring Drive, I was greatly tempted to settle for a Quartz Grand Seiko--still an excellent watch, but I would have yearned for Spring Drive anyway. So, I'm still salting away--saving for the actual Spring Drive I crave.
Are you interested in pre owned GS Spring Drive? Excellent condition SBGE211. Contact if interested
You forgot smart watches.
I’ve got a smart watch, love it. Still wear a regular watch when I’m wearing it though.
I had a pebble1, a beautiful red one, but directly after fitbit took over pebble all backing of that watch ended and made it useless as a smartwatch.
Shortly there after it met with a 22 cal slug, no more smartwatches for me.😂
Apple Watch in a gold case? Better not. 30 bucks fitness tracker? Who cares.
Even Jean Claude Biver likes an Apple Watch and has one !
He could easily have a Tag Heuer connected watch but chose Apple !
It speaks volumes!
@@Alias_Anybody they only made those the first year. I like my Apple watch but its a device, not a conventional watch. It will be dated in four years. Buying the gold one was as dumb as the people who buy sold gold smart phones.
I didn't expect the examples to be so freakin' obvious.
This was really a Horology 101 lesson.
Next (maybe): mid-priced watches with CRAPPY movements.
I sadly committed sin No. 5, buying a substitute watch, and the regret is real and overwhelming. Learn from my mistake people. So I found out about the 2021 Seiko Ginza Alpinist about 3 months after it was released, it's astonishingly pretty and it's like it was designed to appeal to my tastes, I love that Green/Blue colour. Anyhow it was MASSIVELY popular and so it was COMPLETELY sold out and I searched everywhere relentlessly, even e-mailing retailers to see if they had any in stock. The Used Market was selling it for $2k USD and I just wasn't willing to pay that much. However I was browsing some watch sites on the Black Friday Weekend and I saw the Seiko Ginza Presage discounted down to $650 from it's $895 RRP. It has the same basic dial pattern but a bunch of other changes. But it still had that beautiful Ginza Brick pattern and colour so I thought I'd go for it.
It arrived. I opened it up. I was overwhelmed with disappointment. It's hideous, sincerely one of the ugliest watches of 2021, the dial is overly cluttered with an open heart & 24 hour subdial, it has a big black bezel that darkens the whole appearance of the watch, the indices are bigger and so the light doesn't catch and play with the beautiful intricate brick pattern the way it does on the Alpinist version which is much cleaner. Also the press shots do not accurately reflect the colours of the dial, it's so dark and dull by comparison.
Ultimately I took it out of the box, put it on my wrist, looked at it under various types of light only to find it looked awful under all of them, and then put it back in the box and I've still got it sitting there unopened since. It's effectively brand new, it still has the plastic protector stickers on the bracelet and rear. I'm planning to sell it online. I pray I can recoup the $650 I payed for it but I actually feel bad about selling it, like there is no way whoever buys it off me is going to be pleased by it, it feels like I'm planning to scam someone so when I do sell it I'm going to have to put up that disclaimer so I don't disappoint someone. It's so bad that I've seen it on a few TH-camr's 'Worst Watches of 2021' lists.
Never Again! I've learned my lesson!
Luckily I came across this video. Originally I wanted to substitute a RM03 with a G-Shock, but now I will just save a bit longer.
Thank you.
All the dislikes coming from the disgruntled fashion watch lovers...😂
Love the Breuget Marine! It doesn’t get enough love.
The Urban Gentry guy seems to have a similar opinion on DW watches (he thinks they’re the worst out there), so the guy who owns DW must be super-good at marketing
DW marketing is almost entirely social media/IG influencer based.
Absolutely agree ...one looks at the wrist with distrain after buying a substitute watch
Can’t believe Hublot wasn’t included in the never buy category
My purpose in buying a watch is simple and primitive: to know the accurate time! I've had a Citizen Eco Drive Skyhawk for more than 12 years and it has been wonderful! I'd never buy or use any other type.
500eur watch? Simple and primitive? Most of the time i wear casio Fw-91 :)
@@johnzoidberg9764 My reason, not the watch.
@@Xingqiwu387 ohh, i get it now. :)
I pretty much agree with this. One thing, buying new that depreciates but a) is what you love and as a first owner, it may not be collectible later and b) got you closer with the AD in the grail watch that is worth much more.
My wife wanted a two tone date just and doesn’t want used. If paying retail and taking a hit get me closer to my ceramic Daytona panda, I’m ok with it
approach to hobby can be different for different people and it make sense not to waste a lot of money on it and get satisfaction at the same time. Quartz watch actually can be good fit for many because it simplifies maintenance.
We appreciate your honesty Fred don't you stop giving the honest opinion
Absolutely spot-on advise. Just a question re. pre-owned watches: if it looks perfect and runs perfect will it stay that way even if its been dropped?.
No tags. No smart. No quarts. No fakes. No homage. No Rolex higher than rrp
Advise given is a good for watch dealer but unlikely will satisfy most collectors. Collect whatever you like but watch dealers prefer collectors who can bring business to them (nothing wrong there).
Good real life info Fed. I'm sure most if not all of us bought that piece then experienced remorse. Is there one piece that stands out for you that comes mind that you regret buying?
5:55 …not sure I agree,for some people,$4K or $5K is the cost of a car … sometimes we simply have to make due with what we have.
I love the comment on substitute watches. I'm a multiple time substitute buyer and I can't seem to learn my lesson. Patience is not a virtue I have in watch buying.
I disagree with the quartz vs the automatic. I love Quartz because you don’t have to keep setting the watch every time you wanna wear it. And yes I knowing take all of 3-5mins so set a watch and the date, but it get annoying when you have a selection of watches and have to keep doing it.
You don't need to set an automatic watch every time you wear it if you put your automatic watch/watches in a watch winder.
What do you think about Egard? Quantus 3 looks cool. But would love Feds input. Thanks!
Thank you for your honest advice Frederico.
Questions:
1) Smith’s Everest PRS25...Good or crap?
2) Alpha Explorer w/Seagull movements...Good or crap?
Thank you
If you are Kevin O'Leary, then, you can buy whatever you want and call it an investment. If you are the average or above average Joe, already owning a Rolex and/or Omega (or not), then, micro brand watch collecting can be very satisfying and fun to wear. There are so many watches out there that I am still discovering that are not Rolex, Omega, Patek Philippe and Cartier in the micro brand universe that are not scary to wear outside a Bank vault safety deposit room.
P.S. You are a stylish guy, however, the pink BB shirt is a miss and seem a bit odd due to the fact the sleeves hang so low on your biceps. You probably have already donated much of your clothing to a charity since your transformation, bravo.
Frederico's watch collection: musem quality pieces.
My watch collection: a box of chotchkees.
Always great to see you! More Hans!!!
Baume et Mercier is horribly overpriced. Tried several of them last month, huge dissapointment!
But buy them at a discount and you're laughing
I am surprised at your comment, I thought B and M had brought out some really good models in the last few years.
6th : heavily discounted luxury watches! If you buy a $30,000 watch for $3,000, the service cost, spare parts and accessories won't be discounted at all. You'll ending up paying $1500+ (any replaced parts on top of that) every 5 years just to keep it running. Don't get into that kind of trouble if your pocket isn't deep enough!
Quartz movements being generally superior to to mechanical movements, buying a luxury watch with a quartz movement is a smart thing. Unless one prefers Model T’s to Porsches.
Great video with great tips! It could actually save some money for the beginner collector..👌🏻👌🏻
I'm glad he didn't mention kickstarter watches.
I think quartz seamasters are actually really neat. I love restoring and modding mechanical watches, but when it comes to buying something I won't be tooling around on, I'd be happy to get a quartz version (chronos excluded). I've even put a quartz movement into an SKX.
Water: I see every now and then watch listings that say "no longer water resistant." Is this the same as water damaged? Would you stay away from such watches?
Seals or crown could be damaged etc. You can sort little issues and then just get it water resistance tested. It’s a risk if you can’t see the actual movement which you often don’t on eBay. Any decent seller will give you pictures if you ask. Water damaged usually means corrosion to the actual movement, this is just my experience so don’t put any faith into it. Generally I would say if you can’t see pictures of movement don’t chance your money 👍🏻
Watch dealers will generally say “no longer water resistant” on vintage watches. The watch could still be waterproof up to its water rating. However since seals deteriorate over time, the dealer doesn’t want to guarantee as such and risk having to accept a refund.
Somebody has to buy new watches so you can buy them used, I speak for myself and I buy new watches and keep them. Watches I just want to test I buy used
The only part of this video I would disagree on is the Omega Quartz, bought second hand from AD sold 3 years later and made on it