"Rumpy pumpy" made me guffaw out loud. Wherever did you hear that?! Dante's thoughts on love and lust are very interesting. It's almost Buddhist in its defense of rationality and rejection of emotional dysregulation. As for Marc Antony I suppose Dante felt that he was spared the second circle of hell because he was also rationally using his "love" for Cleopatra to alter the politics of Rome. It was not only a desire, but it was also a tactical choice.
The reason for the depiction of Minos' tail in the artwork as being a snake's could be that snakes are a cthonic symbol in art. In older religions snakes were also associated with wisdom, as they are associated with Apollo and his son Asclepius, and Minos was also considered to be wise.
I remember reading the Lust section in college. This is the first time we see people suffering the consequences of their sins. Francesca really stands out here.
I like your cozy office, it looks alot like mine 😊 I just added a solid brass Corinthian helmet with a huge crest to the shelf. I sit there for hours wearing it while watching scary ghost videos LOL
Note that the paolo and Francesca affair brings us back to north France (beyond her name, arguably) and Britain. The pair got together also due to a chivalric romance book about King Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere (they see themselves as Lancelot and Guinevere of course), and the book itself is called by Francesca "Galeotto" - "Galehaut" which in the Breton Cycle favors Lancelot and Guinevere. "Galeotto fu 'l libro e chi lo scrisse"
One of my favorite edu-tainment TH-camrs talking about one of my favorite books is already enough to make me smile......PLUS Cinzia is red.....oh my....😳
I wonder if Dante choosing to depict Francesca Da Rimini and Paolo Malatesta together in spite of their sin was a way of Dante expressing sympathy for lovers unable to be with one another. Given that he reunites with Beatrice upon entering Paradise, I feel like there could be a parallel between lovers encountering the divine within each other. I don’t know whether Dante ascribed to the idea that love, even when misapplied and sinful, cannot be totally evil (as obviously love comes from God), and that to separate sinful lovers could be a sin in and of itself, but I got that impression. I could be totally wrong in that interpretation. But I always just found it weirdly wholesome and romantic that Dante allowed sinful lovers remain together in their torment.
The best depiction I've seen of lust as an actual place was in "dead boy detectives" - I won't spoil it if anyone hasn't seen it, but the series is quite good.
I’ve been loving this series! I had to read Dante’s Inferno for school several years back, and it just never made much sense to me. This series has given so much more historical context, love it!!
It's unfortunate that so many people throughout history have tried to qualify and quantify love as a singular absolute thing. Love with reason is permissible and anything else is lust, but reason has shades of subjectivity. I would like to think if Dante was alive today he'd see the logic in there not being solely one form love and maybe even acknowledging that lust could be valid at times. And if nothing else I think he would say that "rubby pumpy" is a fantastic innuendo.
have you ever listened to the 2008 musical on the Divine Comedy made by Marco Frisina. Very beautiful, unfortunately in Italy there is not much culture and love for musicals in general and it has never been remade. But on TH-cam you can find all the songs in CD version. Francesca's aria is one of the most beautiful.
Just wanted to say thank you so much for this series on Dante, it's something I've circled around for awhile yet never sat down and read through it as much as I would like to. I also wanted to comment on your episode about three months back where you said your channel was dying due to TH-cam's algorithm and that you felt it was your fault somehow that you couldn't dither with it to make more viewers find you. It is absolutely not your fault. It is entirely the fault of TH-cam and it's employees constantly trying to re-invent the wheel and by doing so making it much harder on content creators such as yourself and viewers such as myself who are constantly distracted by new creators that we have to purposely filter out even though it might be initially interesting yet taking us away from more important creators such as yourself. Like you I also have ADHD and also Autism Spectrum Disorder. Just prior to watching that episode I was watching another channel where the host was wearing a t-shirt I thought was relevant 'Let me overthink this'. I used to overthink things far too much and it would drive me up the wall, what could I have done differently here, there, everywhere. In the end it's the fault of the condition I have and that you have and that millions of others have. I have been watching your content for over three years now and when I found your channel I was going through an especially dark time. Since then I've seen that you have also had your difficulties in life and have always cheered you on as I am sure so many others have too. I hope since you made that episode three months ago that things have improved for you and continue to improve and that, like me, you can take all of that negative feedback you receive and toss it in the bin where it belongs. You are a wonderful and interesting person Cinzia and with your content have made so many happy and opened up interests in ancient literature and history that others might have never discovered. You are a bright shining beacon for us. Never let that light go out. Now for a confession. This is how important it was for me to write this. My cat is on my desk so I have to balance my keyboard on my lap as I type this. She is quietly napping away and I suppose I could pick her up and put her on the chair next to me and she would return to sleep but she looks so peaceful and typing while the keyboard is balanced on my knees isn't too bad I guess. . . Anyway, hope all is well with you and that you've gamed TH-cam's stupid algorithm so it returns those subscribers who've been pulled away by too many distractions. Best Wishes, Michael
This series is great. This episode is gold! Cinzia is smart, interesting and so entertaining in all the best ways! Thank you for another brilliant video Cinzia!
Poor Minos. Haunted by cows, and now mostly remembered by appending a cow to his name. Even having a judgy serpent for a tail doesn't outweigh the minotaur in our collective consciousness. But at least he tried. FTA
Spectacular episode. One of my favorites so far. The snake tail is also interesting to me... I thought the same about the Genesis imagery. It's a fascinating addition.
Excellent series! ❤ I'm loving it! About Mark Anthony's absence from the Second Circle: he is more greedy than lustful, don't you think? I mean, putting Cleopatra in this circle - because of misogynistic reasoning from Dante's context - makes sense, but Mark Anthony is more wrathful and even more greedy, then one can make the case for his placement outside the Second Circle, he practiced other kinds of sin more intensely.
This continues to be fascinating. I saw a beautiful copy of Dante's Inferno at a book store. I might have to pick it up. Thank you for a greatly informative and entertaining video!
Been binge watching your videos and am always excited to hear your perspectives and your commentary and summary of these stories. I've not read a lot of these older stories, like Dante's work, in a long time so it is fascinating to not only have a recap but background information as well as extra facts to help better understand the views in which he was writing or what was going on at that time. Very good stuff.
The Sistine chapel thing I think is just using the snake as a metaphor of his phallic virility coming from witch craft (aka Lucifer possessed Eve's desire for lust in the original form of a serpent convincing her) and the serpent climbs Minos' body like a tree, so this is the part of the process of the merging between Christian and Pagan philology and art that happened after the Renaissance merging of the two. It's also a devil's tail, so the snake symbolizes the devil working through humanity's loins and lust as poisonous to them, aka the venom biting into him, which causes the devils standing around him to become perverted in contortions of painful and pleasurable ecstasy.
IIRC Francesca also says that , even if she is hell because of it, she still wants Paolo and basically regrets nothing. And Dante is also sympathetic to them. Amor c'ha nullo amato...
Your content is great! So glad I found your channel! Thank you for what you do! ❤ As an astrologer, my immediate thought on the snakes/scorpios was "how appropriate juxtaposed with the cows!" Scorpio rules snakes and scorpions, and is opposite Taurus, the cow, its polarity. Both are on an axis concerned with our valuation by others. Taurus, ruled by Venus, the 2nd sign, represents resources, skills, and gifts. Scorpio, ruled by Mars/Pluto, the 8th sign, represents shared resources, inheritance, intimacy, and occult knowledge. 🤔☺️♏️♉️✨️
Did not expect that I would enjoy this as much as I did. So Dante's lust is full of Dark Eldar? I kinda glossed this and Gluttony over when I read with my brother a few years ago. Very interested to see Gluttony now as well.
PS: I don't know if not putting Marc Anthony in the 2nd circle would be a "favor" to Romans.... He's (unless I remember badly, AND COULD BE that my memory failed) not mentioned at all... like, he's nowhere... And being nowhere, could mean that Dante simply just put him in the Canto III O.O
Thanks for the share sister 🌹 …… dang it , this ain’t time for romance and sentimentalism . Courtly love seems to be preferred . What ever is motive for Dante as he says , things are vailed ( …… I believe it’s his words ) I do like listening to your work and appreciate you . Take care ✝️
"... raised being told about the Beatles..." this boomer explodes with laughter imagining y'all young 'uns being fascinated with the medieval tales of John, Paul, George and RIngo! (okay grandpa, calm down, we get it ... we've heard your Beatles stories a dozen times already...)
Hello there I don't know if I should be so blunt in a YT comment, but since it's tormented me for most of my life I want to give it a try.... (feel free to yeet the comment into the abyss, no hard feelings) At around 8:30 you say that "we have other problems there" regarding Anslem of Canterbury's desires in the cradle. I am unfortunatly afflicted with a similar condition (though I can only recall things as early as 4 years old). Could you point me towards what these probems might be? Thank you in advance and until the next video.
Not sure what you are looking for, but Freud saw all all stages of life as sexual - from infancy the oral obsession (putting everything in the mouth as part of exploring their environment) and other pre puberty ideas. It has been recorded that male foetuses on scans have been found with hands around their penis. Not to say all, but the self soothing can go back that far. Everyone has a very different experience - now identifying as asexual (but not knowing the concept in my teens) I couldn't understand the sex talk and level of interest my peers at school seemed to have. So yours may be less common but still valid. I think the comment in the video reflected that for those who are sexually abused at a young age an early sense of sexualisation in general can be a result. but there can be those who are just on the very young end of the spectrum; just as I sit effectively outside of the spectrum looking in confused.
Dante was showing the difference between the pagan idea of Eros Thanatos vs Christian charity . The latter is truly liberating . The former is a paradise misplaced and the restlessness itself is a torment without peace .
"Don't give up doggystyle just yet because Dante has your back." FIRE
"That was quite timely actually, wasn't it?" Marvelous beginning, cracked me up. I'm enjoying this series!
I absolutely lost it at "I know, the man is haunted by cows" 🤣 New favorite mythology hot take!
Please don't get discouraged by the low view counts Cinzia, this is a great series!
@@BoZoiD57 We're up to 10k views now - practically a stadium gig! Not bad for a learned guide to a 600 y/o poem.
I actually am currently playing Dante's Inferno.
This series of yours will enrich it a lot. Thank you!
"Rumpy pumpy" made me guffaw out loud. Wherever did you hear that?! Dante's thoughts on love and lust are very interesting. It's almost Buddhist in its defense of rationality and rejection of emotional dysregulation. As for Marc Antony I suppose Dante felt that he was spared the second circle of hell because he was also rationally using his "love" for Cleopatra to alter the politics of Rome. It was not only a desire, but it was also a tactical choice.
The reason for the depiction of Minos' tail in the artwork as being a snake's could be that snakes are a cthonic symbol in art. In older religions snakes were also associated with wisdom, as they are associated with Apollo and his son Asclepius, and Minos was also considered to be wise.
I remember reading the Lust section in college. This is the first time we see people suffering the consequences of their sins. Francesca really stands out here.
Sorry came to see Cinzia, not Aphrodite talking about lust! 🤣
There are worse things than Cinzia's excellent voice schooling me about Dante. Thanks for your effort; the quality is clear.
I absolutely love the series. Keep up the good work.
I like your cozy office, it looks alot like mine 😊 I just added a solid brass Corinthian helmet with a huge crest to the shelf. I sit there for hours wearing it while watching scary ghost videos LOL
Note that the paolo and Francesca affair brings us back to north France (beyond her name, arguably) and Britain. The pair got together also due to a chivalric romance book about King Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere (they see themselves as Lancelot and Guinevere of course), and the book itself is called by Francesca "Galeotto" - "Galehaut" which in the Breton Cycle favors Lancelot and Guinevere.
"Galeotto fu 'l libro e chi lo scrisse"
One of my favorite edu-tainment TH-camrs talking about one of my favorite books is already enough to make me smile......PLUS Cinzia is red.....oh my....😳
The lovely red dress, and the fallen strap.... OK, I'm doomed now too. HA HA
I wonder if Dante choosing to depict Francesca Da Rimini and Paolo Malatesta together in spite of their sin was a way of Dante expressing sympathy for lovers unable to be with one another. Given that he reunites with Beatrice upon entering Paradise, I feel like there could be a parallel between lovers encountering the divine within each other. I don’t know whether Dante ascribed to the idea that love, even when misapplied and sinful, cannot be totally evil (as obviously love comes from God), and that to separate sinful lovers could be a sin in and of itself, but I got that impression. I could be totally wrong in that interpretation. But I always just found it weirdly wholesome and romantic that Dante allowed sinful lovers remain together in their torment.
The best depiction I've seen of lust as an actual place was in "dead boy detectives" - I won't spoil it if anyone hasn't seen it, but the series is quite good.
It definitely waz but try Fullmetal Alchemist 🔥
“It’s actually quite gruesome, so…” pause, gets snack, okay *play
❣️❣️ Lovely Lady of the Library in a lovely rose red dress.
Loving this series.
I’ve been loving this series! I had to read Dante’s Inferno for school several years back, and it just never made much sense to me. This series has given so much more historical context, love it!!
It's unfortunate that so many people throughout history have tried to qualify and quantify love as a singular absolute thing. Love with reason is permissible and anything else is lust, but reason has shades of subjectivity. I would like to think if Dante was alive today he'd see the logic in there not being solely one form love and maybe even acknowledging that lust could be valid at times. And if nothing else I think he would say that "rubby pumpy" is a fantastic innuendo.
Thanks for this fascinating video Cinzia!
Yay, Cassandra video! How exciting! 💕 I’m totally loving these Dante videos, thank you so much for making them. 💕
9:20 cinzia!! 🤭 you're so witty, and I love this top/dress as well
have you ever listened to the 2008 musical on the Divine Comedy made by Marco Frisina. Very beautiful, unfortunately in Italy there is not much culture and love for musicals in general and it has never been remade. But on TH-cam you can find all the songs in CD version. Francesca's aria is one of the most beautiful.
0:19...MMmmmmmm, that was very deftly executed...
Guess I'm going to the Second Circle of Hell!
Just wanted to say thank you so much for this series on Dante, it's something I've circled around for awhile yet never sat down and read through it as much as I would like to.
I also wanted to comment on your episode about three months back where you said your channel was dying due to TH-cam's algorithm and that you felt it was your fault somehow that you couldn't dither with it to make more viewers find you.
It is absolutely not your fault. It is entirely the fault of TH-cam and it's employees constantly trying to re-invent the wheel and by doing so making it much harder on content creators such as yourself and viewers such as myself who are constantly distracted by new creators that we have to purposely filter out even though it might be initially interesting yet taking us away from more important creators such as yourself. Like you I also have ADHD and also Autism Spectrum Disorder. Just prior to watching that episode I was watching another channel where the host was wearing a t-shirt I thought was relevant 'Let me overthink this'.
I used to overthink things far too much and it would drive me up the wall, what could I have done differently here, there, everywhere. In the end it's the fault of the condition I have and that you have and that millions of others have.
I have been watching your content for over three years now and when I found your channel I was going through an especially dark time. Since then I've seen that you have also had your difficulties in life and have always cheered you on as I am sure so many others have too.
I hope since you made that episode three months ago that things have improved for you and continue to improve and that, like me, you can take all of that negative feedback you receive and toss it in the bin where it belongs. You are a wonderful and interesting person Cinzia and with your content have made so many happy and opened up interests in ancient literature and history that others might have never discovered. You are a bright shining beacon for us. Never let that light go out. Now for a confession. This is how important it was for me to write this. My cat is on my desk so I have to balance my keyboard on my lap as I type this. She is quietly napping away and I suppose I could pick her up and put her on the chair next to me and she would return to sleep but she looks so peaceful and typing while the keyboard is balanced on my knees isn't too bad I guess. . . Anyway, hope all is well with you and that you've gamed TH-cam's stupid algorithm so it returns those subscribers who've been pulled away by too many distractions. Best Wishes, Michael
This series is great. This episode is gold! Cinzia is smart, interesting and so entertaining in all the best ways! Thank you for another brilliant video Cinzia!
"Love makes you irrational? Sounds like a skill issue, git gud skrub." Dante Aligheri, probably
Brainwaves almost identical 2 insanity so it make purfikt cents
Do you notice how almost all the characters from Greek Mythology are "real" in the story, but the characters of the Arthurian Cycle are fictional?
Excellent video Cinzia. I love your enthusiasm and the depth of your research. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Cool video, never thought this deeply about the individual circles like this
What a fine essay on Dante and the Second Circle of Hell! Thank you for a fun and illuminating video.
We go wherever the Grace is taking us, happily.
I have to support this series because it's absolutely amazing so here is a comment for the algorithm❤️
I am loving these videos. I don't see many covering this.
Wonderful as usual! ♥️
I really appreciate and enjoy this content 😁 thank you so much for your hard work
Poor Minos. Haunted by cows, and now mostly remembered by appending a cow to his name. Even having a judgy serpent for a tail doesn't outweigh the minotaur in our collective consciousness. But at least he tried.
FTA
Spectacular episode. One of my favorites so far. The snake tail is also interesting to me... I thought the same about the Genesis imagery. It's a fascinating addition.
@0:15 - a fantastic intro into Lust
I think you could read a 5.0 v8 service manual and I’d still be enthralled
Brilliant research and lively telling. Well done (kudos)!
Huh, wasn't expecting the reference to the Dante's Inferno video game in here haha
Excellent series! ❤ I'm loving it!
About Mark Anthony's absence from the Second Circle: he is more greedy than lustful, don't you think? I mean, putting Cleopatra in this circle - because of misogynistic reasoning from Dante's context - makes sense, but Mark Anthony is more wrathful and even more greedy, then one can make the case for his placement outside the Second Circle, he practiced other kinds of sin more intensely.
I love this series! What an excellent insight on the difference of lust vs love!
Loving this series! It reminds me of when I used to study Dante in high school
Love from Italy ❤
Love this stuff!
I've been following your channel for some time, but I must admit you have been particularly fire lately! Great work! 🔥
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This continues to be fascinating. I saw a beautiful copy of Dante's Inferno at a book store. I might have to pick it up. Thank you for a greatly informative and entertaining video!
I just love cinzia 💜
great job, i enjoyed your detailed analysis and perspective.
Loving this series!!
Bravo very well done it keeps me wanting!!!🌹
Great video!
After seeing Cinzia in that dress, I'm definitely going to the second circle
Been binge watching your videos and am always excited to hear your perspectives and your commentary and summary of these stories. I've not read a lot of these older stories, like Dante's work, in a long time so it is fascinating to not only have a recap but background information as well as extra facts to help better understand the views in which he was writing or what was going on at that time. Very good stuff.
From how you described Minos' beastial" curse, the snakes could be a artistic depliction of that through making him in the th Underwould a Chimra.
Thanks for another great video!
Damn, I'm on The List for A LOT of Sins. And Boy, were they FUN.
Fascinated by all the mythological references 😍
Fabulous content! I'm so looking forward to the next installment.
I could listen to her talk about history for ages lol it’s like asmr and interesting at the same time.
Beautiful description of love
The Sistine chapel thing I think is just using the snake as a metaphor of his phallic virility coming from witch craft (aka Lucifer possessed Eve's desire for lust in the original form of a serpent convincing her) and the serpent climbs Minos' body like a tree, so this is the part of the process of the merging between Christian and Pagan philology and art that happened after the Renaissance merging of the two. It's also a devil's tail, so the snake symbolizes the devil working through humanity's loins and lust as poisonous to them, aka the venom biting into him, which causes the devils standing around him to become perverted in contortions of painful and pleasurable ecstasy.
I was taught that it was an Easter Egg, with Minos painted with the face of one of Michaelangelo's critics.
Sistine = sxx. Don't believe me. Check tha etymology
Lust, is the reason why I am here.
Well-done, dear lady. Many thanks. -- W
IIRC Francesca also says that , even if she is hell because of it, she still wants Paolo and basically regrets nothing. And Dante is also sympathetic to them. Amor c'ha nullo amato...
Awesome video and u look stunning! Can't wait for the next ones
You look gorgeous in that shade of red, my goodness!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!, LOVE YOUR DANTE'S SERIES. =)
Your content is great! So glad I found your channel! Thank you for what you do! ❤
As an astrologer, my immediate thought on the snakes/scorpios was "how appropriate juxtaposed with the cows!" Scorpio rules snakes and scorpions, and is opposite Taurus, the cow, its polarity. Both are on an axis concerned with our valuation by others. Taurus, ruled by Venus, the 2nd sign, represents resources, skills, and gifts. Scorpio, ruled by Mars/Pluto, the 8th sign, represents shared resources, inheritance, intimacy, and occult knowledge. 🤔☺️♏️♉️✨️
Read a great comic showing Dante’s nferno was very accurate to the book.
Minor cavil?..... Ca-val-can-te.....not Cal-va-can-te... I believe. Brilliant, animated presentation of complicated material!
Good stuff.
Well timed indeed
Wonderful as always!
Thank you for doing this series. It's wonderful!
You look marvelous in the red dress
Lol also did not expect you to bring up the video game version
Topic: lust. Dressed for the occasion? ✅red dress, bright red lipstick to excite the passions. Top marks😆
Don’t be a creep
Just rewatching this series, love your work ^_^
Loving this series. Thank you.
Awesome!!!
Did not expect that I would enjoy this as much as I did. So Dante's lust is full of Dark Eldar? I kinda glossed this and Gluttony over when I read with my brother a few years ago. Very interested to see Gluttony now as well.
You really make me laugh and teach me a lot
PS: I don't know if not putting Marc Anthony in the 2nd circle would be a "favor" to Romans.... He's (unless I remember badly, AND COULD BE that my memory failed) not mentioned at all... like, he's nowhere... And being nowhere, could mean that Dante simply just put him in the Canto III O.O
You make me wish i was a magic book that when read, makes a sad reader happy
Okay. So I better get my power-armor, good ol' double barrel and chainsaw ready...😂 EDIT: Also "Heiligs' Blechle!"😉
Thanks for the share sister 🌹 …… dang it , this ain’t time for romance and sentimentalism . Courtly love seems to be preferred . What ever is motive for Dante as he says , things are vailed ( …… I believe it’s his words ) I do like listening to your work and appreciate you .
Take care ✝️
Wafts fan in front of face as he becomes overheated for unknown reasons
"... raised being told about the Beatles..." this boomer explodes with laughter imagining y'all young 'uns being fascinated with the medieval tales of John, Paul, George and RIngo! (okay grandpa, calm down, we get it ... we've heard your Beatles stories a dozen times already...)
"Timely.". 😂❤
i like this series !!!!!!!
Fascinating
Hello there
I don't know if I should be so blunt in a YT comment, but since it's tormented me for most of my life I want to give it a try.... (feel free to yeet the comment into the abyss, no hard feelings)
At around 8:30 you say that "we have other problems there" regarding Anslem of Canterbury's desires in the cradle. I am unfortunatly afflicted with a similar condition (though I can only recall things as early as 4 years old).
Could you point me towards what these probems might be?
Thank you in advance and until the next video.
Not sure what you are looking for, but Freud saw all all stages of life as sexual - from infancy the oral obsession (putting everything in the mouth as part of exploring their environment) and other pre puberty ideas.
It has been recorded that male foetuses on scans have been found with hands around their penis. Not to say all, but the self soothing can go back that far. Everyone has a very different experience - now identifying as asexual (but not knowing the concept in my teens) I couldn't understand the sex talk and level of interest my peers at school seemed to have. So yours may be less common but still valid.
I think the comment in the video reflected that for those who are sexually abused at a young age an early sense of sexualisation in general can be a result. but there can be those who are just on the very young end of the spectrum; just as I sit effectively outside of the spectrum looking in confused.
Dante was showing the difference between the pagan idea of Eros Thanatos vs Christian charity . The latter is truly liberating . The former is a paradise misplaced and the restlessness itself is a torment without peace .
If I don't go to the frozen circle for being an apostate, I'll go there.
8 min - Anslem was Freudian before Freud was in his crib
Nice correlation analysis. That is a fabulously lustful top. Apropos.
You can stop selling. I'm booking as fast as I can!