Thanks! I've been making junky movies on VHS and digital for quite a while, but I've always wanted to shoot on 16 because it looks like an 'authentic' old B movie. This (and others of its kind) make the switch seem a little less intimidating. Celluloid has no software updates!
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5:00 It helps if you load the perforations towards the center of the camera instead of closer to the lid. The film would have had the emulsion to the rear that will make the images come out underexposed
Hello, I shoot with film and am a big fan of your special FX videos. They've helped me with my own micro-budget Super-8 stuff, so I'm excited to see what you can come up with for Galaxy Gulch.
It's to match the Krasnogorsk, which has a 1/60 shutter speed when shooting at 24fps. You would set it to whatever the shutter speed of your 16mm camera is.
Awesome video! Its worth mentioning that the exposure latitude for film is pretty robust, so you could easily overexpose up to 3 stops for effect. I routinely overexpose neg film by 1 or 2 stops because it brings out color and there's no danger of clipping highlights (unlike most digital sensors). But as a general rule its better to overexpose a bit for shadows, because the lows will be unrecoverable if improperly exposed.
Guys, if you want to shoot Super16, buy M42 version not bayonet one. 'Cause Meteor kit lens doesn't fully covers S16 frame. But with M42 you get bunch of photographic lenses (designed to cover much bigger frame). Make sure to get Peleng 8mm and Zenitar 16mm - on S16 they don't have fisheye effect but instead you can get nice wide shots.
Well, memories, memories! Have filmed a lot in 16mm (and S-8 too). It's worky, it costs an arm and a leg, and as a fact: After been using Full HD-digital camera, I never look back. Filming in my Canon XA-10, editing i Adobe Premiere... man, my wallet loves it. The 'autenthic' look? Some say you can buy filters, simulating it. Still, I of course understand it can be fun trying out this stuff.
Awesome video! Music question. Been trying to find the music in the video. Google, TH-cam, iTunes, can’t find “Big Fok” anywhere and from what I understand this is the name of the artists from the video description.
The Krasnogorsk-3 is a terrific starter 16mm camera. If it's too daunting for some of you, then maybe look into the Canon Scoopic, as it's supposedly like a Super 8 camera in terms of convenience.
I like to load these 100foot 'daylight load spools' in subdued light, so I can look and check that the film runs properly and the loops are forming properly. But of course the first few feet of film get exposed by loading with light around. However when I finish a reel, I have a big lightproof changing bag, so I can unload the film in pitch dark and not loose the last few feet of the reel.
That was cool info to know. I don't entirely get it but I'm learning. Love the Super 8 series and Galaxy Gulch looks like to be really cool. Thanks for all the knowledge and have fun at the fair with the "70's Production value". :o)
Thats really cool, the film you loaded in was done in the light, but real film would have to be done in the dark right? How do you know what you're doing in the dark?
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I mean, you should practice in daylight (often rental companies have exposed film you can practice with). Once you get to know it you can do it in the dark. But it's a pretty important detail to leave out of a video like this.
The K3 (the camera he was using) takes 100 foot "daylight" spools. They are so aptly named because the metal surface of the spool protects 99% of the film from being exposed when you do it correctly, however it's still not a good idea to load them in direct light, better to do it in low light or a changing bag. More advanced 16mm cameras can have magazines attached to them that hold 400 feet of film. These spools are little plastic pieces, so those need to be loaded in total darkness/changing bag.
Thanks, Shanks! "You don't have to load film in the dark. You will expose a couple feet of film but the remaining 48 feet will be fine. Just make sure you load in a shaded area and not in direct sunlight." How can you do this? I have never loaded a film, but in total darkness. I allways load and remove the film with a black bag. I have a kodak vison2 500 T. Do you thing it is safe to load this fast negative in open light? And I was searching about those filters that came with K-3 and found nothing. Do you know anything about it? On it is a ND filter. The other two I dont know what are they for.
Hello there. Thanks for this really helpful video ! I bought this camera and it came with a take up reel that has little hooks on the inside (instead of the single slit) so it makes it easier to catch the film. But I can't find any similar take up reel anywhere. Does it work as good with a take up reel that only has the slit ?
Hey dude, can you help me. How did you make that first title, intro (public broadcasting service) Id like to make my own intro like that. Could you help me out Cheers
K3 often sells for less money, it's easy to use, easy to fix, it can be modified to shoot super-16 very easily, and their are a wide array of good, yet inexpensive lenses available (especially if you get one with M42 mount). One of the newer K3s with English labels will also run quieter than a Bolex, and not all Bolex H-series cameras are reflex, whereas all K3s are reflex.
Any film camera will need a tune-up to run well after sitting dormant for however many years, a Bolex is no different from a K-3 in this regard, but I agree with a Scoopic being better. I have owned all three at some point and the Scoopic MS is the one that I have held onto.
Andrie Alinsangao Nope. This K-3 camera is not a sound sync camera due to the primitive motor. It runs "around" 24 frames per second. There is no way to sync the audio without a proper 24fps motorized 16mm camera like the Arri SR series for example..
Andrie Alinsangao Absolutely. The Arri SR/SR2/SR3 are sound cameras that run exactly at the framerates you choose. So if you shoot at 24fps they have a precise mechanism and motor to pull the film at 24fps. So when you record an external sound, you will have no issues of syncing the audio track to the video. These hand-crack cameras like the K-3 were never ment to be a sound sync cameras. Same thing with expensive Bolex cameras - if you get a S16mm Bolex, you will also need a external motor for the camera to sync sound.
Andrie Alinsangao Yes, of course. You need to develop and do a telecine to scan the film into digital image file sequnce. And then sync the sound in your NLE.
Need a bit of help from anyone who's smarter with this stuff than me. I'm really interested in shooting short narrative films and I just feel starting with film would give me a much more educational and favourable introduction into filmmaking than buying a digital camera and the K-3 looks like the best 16mm camera in my price range. My one concern is I've heard it's difficult to sync audio with the camera and I'd likely need to shoot dialogue does anyone know if this is the case and if so, are there any solutions to it?
Thanks! One question, why is the shutter at 60, when usually what Ive read is, if you use 180 degree rule, it should be double. 1/48th or 1/50th when camera doesn't have 48. Or does using 60 get a better motion blur for 24fps?
The K3 doesnt have a 180° shutter its fixed at something like 150°. 1/60th and 1/50th are very close anyway i wouldn't worry about it too much the results are still great.
@@Zorgdoodl Okay great! My digital camera has too much motion blur at 50th, so I use 60th and it looks best. Still, that's a digital camera, since film camera has things physically moving, the motion blur comparison will be different and as for K3, I'd take it, even if the shutter is fixed.
Maybe it's different with older super 8 cameras, and the 16mm you have, because I think I read something about not putting in the light meter batteries. Supposedly, the camera might overexpose the film because of the lack of battery juice. This is why I'm scared of using my camera. Really not looking to spending so much money on a potentially wasted cartridge... 😥 has anyone run into this problem? Should I just risk it on the first go?
TheSeaDevilsband I guess I should've elaborated a little since I've heard that some camera meters get stuck open when there are issues with the battery, overexposing the film. That's what I'm scared of. Anyway, do you know of any good light meters? I would buy one for an SLR I have
the lack of skill in loading film into this camera is incredible. please anyone who wants to use this camera, there are much better videos demonstrating how
BEST video on TH-cam about K-3 and 16mm also
Thanks! I've been making junky movies on VHS and digital for quite a while, but I've always wanted to shoot on 16 because it looks like an 'authentic' old B movie. This (and others of its kind) make the switch seem a little less intimidating. Celluloid has no software updates!
You should also give super 8 a try, it's a lot of fun.
@@proudtobeautistic It's fun if you expose for it right and don't use Ektachrome inside.
That background music...I thought someone was yelling in my house and went to check the door. Nevertheless, practical info.
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@Hank Landry Yea, I have been watching on Instaflixxer for since december myself =)
Great series. So much useful information in just a couple of videos!
5:00 It helps if you load the perforations towards the center of the camera instead of closer to the lid. The film would have had the emulsion to the rear that will make the images come out underexposed
Hello, I shoot with film and am a big fan of your special FX videos. They've helped me with my own micro-budget Super-8 stuff, so I'm excited to see what you can come up with for Galaxy Gulch.
Brilliantly informative, but on the DSLR at 24fps the shutter should be 48, 50 at most, surely?
Yeah I wanted to say this as well.
It's to match the Krasnogorsk, which has a 1/60 shutter speed when shooting at 24fps. You would set it to whatever the shutter speed of your 16mm camera is.
Awesome video! Its worth mentioning that the exposure latitude for film is pretty robust, so you could easily overexpose up to 3 stops for effect. I routinely overexpose neg film by 1 or 2 stops because it brings out color and there's no danger of clipping highlights (unlike most digital sensors). But as a general rule its better to overexpose a bit for shadows, because the lows will be unrecoverable if improperly exposed.
@3:46 I'm sure you mean 100ft rolls! as you're holding the case for a 100ft roll and 2min 47seconds is the running time for 100ft roll (at 24fps)
Thanks for mentioning that, I worked using those too!
i love that you have lil john in the background hell yeah
Love those K3's
Very informative and well put together videos
Guys, if you want to shoot Super16, buy M42 version not bayonet one. 'Cause Meteor kit lens doesn't fully covers S16 frame. But with M42 you get bunch of photographic lenses (designed to cover much bigger frame). Make sure to get Peleng 8mm and Zenitar 16mm - on S16 they don't have fisheye effect but instead you can get nice wide shots.
Shoot in Ultra 16mm and your lens will cover the area. 1:85 aspect ratio.
Сукпу Ын The peleng is still fisheye on super 16, it's just no longer circular.
I just bought one of the k-3s!
with every1 shooting digital...the best bet to be seen...shoot on film.
There's a mistake in the video. When the light meter button parallel to the lens it means OFF. When the line on the button is vertical it means ON.
Great break down
Well, memories, memories! Have filmed a lot in 16mm (and S-8 too). It's worky, it costs an arm and a leg, and as a fact: After been using Full HD-digital camera, I never look back. Filming in my Canon XA-10, editing i Adobe Premiere... man, my wallet loves it.
The 'autenthic' look? Some say you can buy filters, simulating it.
Still, I of course understand it can be fun trying out this stuff.
Sweet video! Have/will you post footage from this camera? Thanks
you have very nice golor grading, any tips on how to get footage look like this?
Great video, thanks. How do you unload the film and get it back in a can for processing? Do you need a dark bag? Thanks in advance for any help.
Amazing stuff! Thanks man!
This is beautiful.
Awesome video!
Music question. Been trying to find the music in the video. Google, TH-cam, iTunes, can’t find “Big Fok” anywhere and from what I understand this is the name of the artists from the video description.
The Krasnogorsk-3 is a terrific starter 16mm camera. If it's too daunting for some of you, then maybe look into the Canon Scoopic, as it's supposedly like a Super 8 camera in terms of convenience.
I got a K-3 myself, if only it had backwinding and a variable shutter that would be perfect (used a Bolex in college that did).
PLEASE remember to let people know that you have to load film in the dark.
With daylight reels you can actually safely load in "subdued" light. so broad daylight isn't recommended but complete darkness isn't necessary.
I like to load these 100foot 'daylight load spools' in subdued light, so I can look and check that the film runs properly and the loops are forming properly. But of course the first few feet of film get exposed by loading with light around. However when I finish a reel, I have a big lightproof changing bag, so I can unload the film in pitch dark and not loose the last few feet of the reel.
That was cool info to know. I don't entirely get it but I'm learning. Love the Super 8 series and Galaxy Gulch looks like to be really cool. Thanks for all the knowledge and have fun at the fair with the "70's Production value". :o)
Thats really cool, the film you loaded in was done in the light, but real film would have to be done in the dark right? How do you know what you're doing in the dark?
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I mean, you should practice in daylight (often rental companies have exposed film you can practice with). Once you get to know it you can do it in the dark. But it's a pretty important detail to leave out of a video like this.
The K3 (the camera he was using) takes 100 foot "daylight" spools. They are so aptly named because the metal surface of the spool protects 99% of the film from being exposed when you do it correctly, however it's still not a good idea to load them in direct light, better to do it in low light or a changing bag. More advanced 16mm cameras can have magazines attached to them that hold 400 feet of film. These spools are little plastic pieces, so those need to be loaded in total darkness/changing bag.
Thanks, Shanks!
"You don't have to load film in the dark. You will expose a couple feet of film but the remaining 48 feet will be fine. Just make sure you load in a shaded area and not in direct sunlight." How can you do this? I have never loaded a film, but in total darkness. I allways load and remove the film with a black bag. I have a kodak vison2 500 T. Do you thing it is safe to load this fast negative in open light?
And I was searching about those filters that came with K-3 and found nothing. Do you know anything about it? On it is a ND filter. The other two I dont know what are they for.
Super info!
I bought a k-3 a few weeks ago
let us know your impressions! :) how about viewfinder in K3? Is it large enough?
Yeah, about that I haven't got it in the mail yet from the Ukraine and it been two months
Did you ever get it
YUNG S'GETTI nope got my money back though
Cool video!
Very interesting stuff.. entertaining
Where can you buy 50 foot rolls of 16mm film? I can’t seem to find it anywhere, and recently purchased this same camera.
I believe 100 ft is the norm when it comes to 16mm
I´d really like to watch this super 8 movie shown in in the beginning...
Hello there. Thanks for this really helpful video ! I bought this camera and it came with a take up reel that has little hooks on the inside (instead of the single slit) so it makes it easier to catch the film. But I can't find any similar take up reel anywhere. Does it work as good with a take up reel that only has the slit ?
So what Iso should I do if Im using Kodak vision 3 50D?
Where can you purchase that light meter?
hey I have a question . I have a sekonic light meter . and to shoot with my k3 can I use the light meter in mode photo or cine ?
You can buy an adaptor so that it takes hearing aid batteries for the light meter.
Hey dude, can you help me. How did you make that first title, intro (public broadcasting service) Id like to make my own intro like that. Could you help me out Cheers
That's a classic PBS intro. I didn't create it but it is pretty sweet.
i still have a film pack and cartridge unused and its been 16 years already! i wonder if theyre still usable?
Did the Helios lense fit onto the krosnogorsk-3?
I want that background music!
Have you been able to find it? I haven’t. It’s rare for google to turn up no results lol.
@@iluvgrouphugz no luck for me too
Amazing channel! What is the oldest motion camera you've used? Have you done anything from like 1910?
anything from then would be dust now
what happens if this film gets exposed to light after you shoot? would it all be ruined ?
Can't wait for more. I've seen the k3 alot on ebay. Why do you end up with it over the bolex h series cams?
K3 often sells for less money, it's easy to use, easy to fix, it can be modified to shoot super-16 very easily, and their are a wide array of good, yet inexpensive lenses available (especially if you get one with M42 mount). One of the newer K3s with English labels will also run quieter than a Bolex, and not all Bolex H-series cameras are reflex, whereas all K3s are reflex.
Any film camera will need a tune-up to run well after sitting dormant for however many years, a Bolex is no different from a K-3 in this regard, but I agree with a Scoopic being better. I have owned all three at some point and the Scoopic MS is the one that I have held onto.
So definitely go for a bolex over a k3? Whether it has reflex or not?
Or the B&H Filmo.
GuyBodart I've read a bit about the filmo, from what I understand it isn't worth it to use. Have you used one?
NYFA alum 🤘🏼
tight !! Rock on man. I went to the one at Harvard way back in 2002.
Question: does that camera shoot with sound?
Andrie Alinsangao Nope. This K-3 camera is not a sound sync camera due to the primitive motor. It runs "around" 24 frames per second. There is no way to sync the audio without a proper 24fps motorized 16mm camera like the Arri SR series for example..
@@marekvesely So, if I have an Arri SR2, for example, I could shoot with sound, right?
Andrie Alinsangao Absolutely. The Arri SR/SR2/SR3 are sound cameras that run exactly at the framerates you choose. So if you shoot at 24fps they have a precise mechanism and motor to pull the film at 24fps. So when you record an external sound, you will have no issues of syncing the audio track to the video. These hand-crack cameras like the K-3 were never ment to be a sound sync cameras. Same thing with expensive Bolex cameras - if you get a S16mm Bolex, you will also need a external motor for the camera to sync sound.
@@marekvesely Sweet! But, I'd still have to digitize the film to add sound, right?
Andrie Alinsangao Yes, of course. You need to develop and do a telecine to scan the film into digital image file sequnce. And then sync the sound in your NLE.
What kind of remote switch is that?
My super 8 has a manual focus but I don't know how to focus
THX
Need a bit of help from anyone who's smarter with this stuff than me. I'm really interested in shooting short narrative films and I just feel starting with film would give me a much more educational and favourable introduction into filmmaking than buying a digital camera and the K-3 looks like the best 16mm camera in my price range. My one concern is I've heard it's difficult to sync audio with the camera and I'd likely need to shoot dialogue does anyone know if this is the case and if so, are there any solutions to it?
Thanks!
One question, why is the shutter at 60, when usually what Ive read is, if you use 180 degree rule, it should be double. 1/48th or 1/50th when camera doesn't have 48.
Or does using 60 get a better motion blur for 24fps?
The K3 doesnt have a 180° shutter its fixed at something like 150°. 1/60th and 1/50th are very close anyway i wouldn't worry about it too much the results are still great.
@@Zorgdoodl Okay great! My digital camera has too much motion blur at 50th, so I use 60th and it looks best. Still, that's a digital camera, since film camera has things physically moving, the motion blur comparison will be different and as for K3, I'd take it, even if the shutter is fixed.
Thx a lot !!
cool!
u live in Asheville?
Why can’t this camera be dry run for testing?
Maybe it's different with older super 8 cameras, and the 16mm you have, because I think I read something about not putting in the light meter batteries. Supposedly, the camera might overexpose the film because of the lack of battery juice. This is why I'm scared of using my camera. Really not looking to spending so much money on a potentially wasted cartridge... 😥 has anyone run into this problem? Should I just risk it on the first go?
buy an external light meter!
TheSeaDevilsband I guess I should've elaborated a little since I've heard that some camera meters get stuck open when there are issues with the battery, overexposing the film. That's what I'm scared of. Anyway, do you know of any good light meters? I would buy one for an SLR I have
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anyone knows how to make the intro🔥🔥🔥?
K-3 was made up to 1993. Mine is from 1985.
This guy looks like he tried out for the sandlot as a kid but didnt get the part
haha, i like it. I did get a call back though :-)
@@ShanksFX1 I almost forgot about this. I loved these videos.
I shoot on an Arriflex 16mm camera
Don't you have to put it in a dark room or bag to stop the light from exposing the film when you load it?
check out this guy's instagram @k3super16mm. he seems crazy
We’re all noobs at the end of the day
Love the video if your ever in Garden Grove California hit me up in the DM on twitter @badkarma714 also i have a few Questions about super 16 camera
Nice. Could have done without the constant music.
the lack of skill in loading film into this camera is incredible. please anyone who wants to use this camera, there are much better videos demonstrating how