Definitely a relative judgement call. For you, this may be a $1k money pit. For The Strokes, it was ultimately a multimillion dollar earning music video. I hope we're all making value decisions for ourselves based on what we know we need and not trying to judge the needs of others based on our ideas of what we think they do or don't need. Not that anyone was doing that.
Correct. Many more well known films were shot on 16mm and Super 16. Regular 16 for example: Christopher Nolan's Following, El Mariachi, The Texas Chansaw Massacre. Super 16, too many to mention, but some examples of well known movies: This Is Spinal Tap, Leaving Las Vegas, The Hurt Locker, City Of God, Black Swan, The Wrestler, Blue Valentine, Carol, Jackie, Mother!, Irreversible,.....
found a bolex at a thrift store for $20. at the time, i didn't know anything about motion picture film so i didn't buy it. man, do i regret not buying it now.
Stumbled upon on your channel, love what you’re doing for the film community.I truly love that there are film lover out there.Just got my bolex converted to s16 and I love it.
I have the last 16mm Bell & Howell, the 240EE and it is so stable, Orson Welles apparently loved it. You did miss the fact that some older 16mm cameras only use double perforated film and cannot handle single perf like later cameras. Some people actually shave off some sprockets on older cameras to shoot single perf on them, but I am not a fan of that. Other cheap cameras that are great 16mm models include Keystone, the brief early 1930s Stewart Warner and the CinKlox made in Cincinnati, Ohio, some of which do sound 24 frames per second speed. The Canon Scoopic (scoop, like a reporter getting an exclusive story) had models that also took 200ft daylight spools that are no longer made, but some of that film is still out there unopened and would be worth shooting. Other models we should all explore in 16mm include the Admira Electric 16 (maybe the best East Bloc 16mm camera ever made in its size and capacity), Auricon, Berndt-Maurer, Cinema Products, DeVry, Doiflex, Emel, Ensign, Eumig, Frezzolini, General Camera, GIC ETM (France), Ikonoskop, MCM, Morton, Nizo, PLB (also France), RCA (they made the first optical sound camera in 1935), Revere, Texas General, Traid, Vego, Victor Cine Camera (before RCA bought the company), Viewlex, Zeiss and don't forget the Mitchell. Some have lenses that are unique and you cannot get anymore. Look forward to your next 16mm videos and caught other already. Thanks!
In my grandma's old house back in Jerusalem, she told me that my grandpa had obtained two cameras at the time and was filming a lot etc. In 2016, my dad and I went to Jerusalem specifically in hopes to actually go and find those cameras in order to refurbish them etc. We never were able to find them :( We did find a lot of great stuff though (stamps, coins dating back to 1800s including but not limited to Ottoman Empire coins, daggers that were used in combat, old photo albums etc.)
One cam that I like is the Victor turret model, mod 3 I think. It's like a lightweight 70dr that's so portable and more compact. But it used only double perf 16mm film which isn't made anymore. So the teeth on one side of the sprocket gear must be filed flat to use current stock. I remember the pulldown claw was only on one side so no problem with that.
Very well done overview. I used to supervise the production facilities at a film school, and they kept six or so Bolex H16's on a shelf for 'special uses' -- meaning they never really got used. When I took over, I checked them out and four of the six immediately blew their spring drives. Swiss Professional (in NY) was able to repair them, but recommended that they be used regularly, so as not to degrade the mechanism. As to sync (or the lack of sync / crystal), how well does it work if you slate the beginning, using double system, and then use the tools in Premiere / Final Cut to keep the tracks in sync? Anyway, a very well informed video.
Great job! Other feature films shot on 16mm include : The Gods Must Be Crazy, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Clerks, Pi, Leaving Las Vegas, El Mariachi, and She's Gotta Have it.
Nice informative video! I use my dad's old non-reflex Bolex that looks just like yours for the occasional fun retro shoot. I had a newer reflex Bolex with a beautiful zoom lens but I sold it on ebay after filming my 16mm film day video. I thought I was done with 16mm due to cost and difficulties with exposure and noise but I'm still doing it. Anyway, I've had some success syncing sound but you have to chop up and adjust things. Shorter clips work better. The biggest problem with dad's old Bolex is the age made it shoot lower frame rates than 24fps and I'd look at the results at 24fps and everyone looked all fast like an old movie. My advice to Bolex users is to use the frame counter and run 10 seconds of an old exposed junk film roll and divide by 10 and see what your average frame rate is. increase the rate until it matches 24fps. Even if it's a bit faster, it's better than too slow.
I actually have the original Cine Kodak Model A. $142 on eBay including tripod. Not so cheap nowadays! Also, the only company still making 100ft rolls of double-perf 16mm film I can think of is ORWO. And they only sell Black & White Negative film. So not many options in terms of film stock.
The Film Photography project actually just started doing some double-perf color negative and other stocks! filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/16mm-film-double-perf-fresh-kodak-vision3-500t-7219-100-ft
My first 16mm camera was an early model non-reflex Bolex. I now have a Bolex Rex5. I have also used a Bell and Howell Filmo, Kodak K100 and Cine Special, a Mitchell 16mm and a CP-16R.
@@Andy-mr6yb I bought it about 10 years ago from a guy in Germany. He had it serviced and modified at the Bolex factory. It was originally a Rex 4 but had a magazine saddle added to make it a Rex 5. It cost me $1,000 back then.
I would like to mention somethings about the Kodak K100 and Cine Special cameras. I have owned both of these and they are very fine cameras. The main problem with these are the lenses that come with them. For some reason Kodak used a lubricant on them that cause the focus rings to seize up. This made focusing difficult. The same would happen with the exposure adjustment. The problem is not as big with the K100 since it is a C-mount camera and you could change the Kodak lenses for another brand. I have even mounted a zoom lens with a reflex finder on my K100. Not so with the Cine Special. This camera is great for doing animation and special effects work. But uses a proprietary S-mount lens system. Only Kodak lenses come in S-mount and have the lubrication problem. Fortunately I had a rare C-mount to S-mount adapter so I could use any lens on my Cine Special.
I recently scored a B&H Filmo 70a from eBay for $28. This cam is from circa 1927 and has a Taylor Hobson Cooke lens. This thing is so old it only does 8 and 16FPS And I think it also pre-dates C mount lenses (Not 100% sure) But the thing works GREAT mechanically I tested it with some 16MM leader lying around and it seems to work great! It will do until I can afford a Bolex H16. Hopefully I didn’t buy something “TOO old.”
Thank you for your very nice video. I really wish I had shot much more film (=Super 8 and 35mm slide film) in my youth! There is certain magic in film! BTW did you mention there are some old 16 mm cameras which require the use of double perforated film? You simply can NOT use single perforated film as camera film transport mechanism uses dual sprockets. (English is not my first language.)
Krasnogorsk -- is just a town in Moscow Region where the manufacturer of these cameras is located (translated in English something similar to "town of a red hill"). The factory is still alive, it produces medical, military and other optical equipment. But no more film cameras sadly.
The Arriflex cameras are really nice cameras! There are early ones like the Arri 16S that are really nice cameras that can be a step up from some of these cameras here (the lenses available for those cameras are very nice and can get very expensive). I want to cover some of those cameras in the future and didn't want to group them in with these primarily spring-driven cameras. cinematechnic.com/resources/arri_16s
@@AnalogResurgence Hey man your videos are so usefulll! i've a question. Whats do you think about Krasnogorsk 2? Is a good camera? What's the differences between the Krasnogorsk 2 and the Krasnogorsk 3? I already use super8 and i want to buy a 16mm camera and i found an announce of an working Krasnogorsk 2 :))))
@@baloup571 I'm not too sure the difference between the 2 and the 3, but I know the 3 is more popular. They're cameras that a lot of beginners pickup because they can be found for cheap and also you can get some great lenses for them because some have an M42 lens mount that lots of older 35mm photography SLR cameras had! They're soviet made cameras though and were made somewhat cheaply and can give you some problems because of that. It's not uncommon to have film jam or scratch with them, but you can get some great results as well! I like to use this website for reference and to see what people have experienced: cinematography.com/index.php?/forum/6-16mm/
There is actually single lens reflex Kiev model. It was however problematic as it uses dichroic mirror to split image and image in viewfinder was pretty terrible. I still enjoy it due to it's small form factor.
When you cover the professional 16mm cameras don't forget to cover the Mitchell 16mm and Maurer 16mm studio cameras and the difference between 2-perf and single perf 16mm.
@@AnalogResurgence Awesome, thank you for the reply! I was trying to figure out how to create an older anime aesthetic using traditional animation methods, and inking/painting cels was easy enough to figure out. Transferring those cels to 16mm film (which was commonly used for TV anime until the 2000's) was the head-scratcher for me. Now I know to invest in a Bolex camera and jerry-rig it to point downwards to capture the cels frame-by-frame! Of course, I could have just used filters and animate digitally, but nothing beats the real thing, in my opinion. Plus I can frame and sell the cels afterwards as art pieces! And I could maybe even sell the film itself!
I really enjoy watching your videos they’re super informative! Now I have two working analog cameras. A 8mm and a 16mm. What I’d be interested in knowing is how do you take care of them so the motor or any of the vital components do not stop working?
The best thing to keep in mind is if you're storing the camera for long periods of time, make sure not to do so with the motor wound up! If my Bolex has no film inside and is sitting in the case for a few months I always make sure that it isn't wound up at all.
Yes , I confirm you misspronounce Beaulieu 😁 ..try to say it this way: bowlew...though it won't be perfectly mimiking the french "eu" (which has no equivalent in english) it will be close enough.
Great job on the video. I have been getting out my old equipment and will be editing and digitizing some old 16mm shot in 1974 of a former olympian riding his bike across the USA and back again in 38 days. When I am done I plan to sell off my old equipment so if you have any ideas aside from ebay I would appreciate an email back. I have 2 Bolex cameras. a bell and howell 16mm filmosound, a Minette viewer and a bolex splicer.
Would you use cctv lenses on a Bolex? Like the sony 12.5-75mm, would i end up with vignetting? I’m having a hard time finding out what works and what doesn’t.
You can and there are a bunch of those old CCTV C-mount lenses out there, but they can give you some unexpected results because of their quality. I own a couple, but haven't had a chance to test them out too much. I'm not too sure about vignetting, but they should cover the whole frame. I know because they weren't really designed for film cameras that they won't produce high quality results and can be softer then normal cine lenses. Still they're usually a pretty cheap investment and if you're looking for some simple lenses for a bolex they can be a good place to start. You can also check out sites like these for some more information and discussions on the subject: cinematography.com/index.php?/topic/39-bolex-h16-question-or-any-16mm-c-mount-camera/
I may have to get my 16 mm camera out of storage. It was my grandfather’s camera. A vintage Victor Cine Camera. Maybe not as good as a bolex but does use 100’ rolls of film and has a three lens turret although I only have 2 lenses for it
Yes you can do a long take. The 16s can take a 400ft external magazine which run for about eleven minutes I think. You would need a changing bag to change film in and out.
Is it possible (or even all that wise) to mount modern lenses on a 16mm motion picture camera? Such as mounting modern c-mount lenses on the Bolex you have?
I'd never call Eyemo an "amateur" camera, it was used by photojournalists extensively during the war before becoming the key crash camera for Hollywood (where it still is used sometimes). To my knowledge there was never any 35mm camera made specifically for home movie use, that simply wasn't a real market until 16mm entered the equation.
Meopta Admira 16 electric is another, quite obscure, also "communist" Czech 16mm camera, made in 60's. It's very humble (look-through viewfinder only and prime lens), but it's electric, so the mechanics is simple and relatively easier to repair. It has unique design.
Why shud I use 24fps when shooting silent? I'd use 16fps to gain a minute more on a 100ft roll. If blurry action is the problem, one can use a cam with adjustable shutter, closing it down so that each frame gets about one sixtieth sec or less.
I've read in old camera magazines of the 1970's that "Beaulieu" was pronounced "BOWL-yew.";) My first (and only) Beaulieu was the MCR-8G, a Double 8mm movie camera with an astounding 6.5-52mm Angenieux zoom lens. It produced Kodachrome movies as beautiful as the camera, but back then I was more interested in long lenses for surf photography (As in the Century Precision Optics 650mm f/6.3 lens). Plus, this was in the early 1970's when Double 8mm film was getting hard to find unless it was Kodachrome 25D/40T. So I sold it to a salt-soaked surfer and went looking for a 600mm f/5.6 Nikkor. (But that's another story.;)
Yep, I took Spanish to satisfy the school foreign language requirement. (My older sister was the French speaker.) In retrospect, I should have gone to Japanese language school.;)
Eau in French is water. Its pronounced *Oh*. Just as the word for loved one or sweetheart is *Beau*. It is pronounced as *Bow* (necktie or archer"s). So the close approximation to the proper pronunciation is Bowl-yer.
Do you know where i could find a live view lens for a film camera? I saw many for $100 and up two or three years ago and now its like they’ve vanished. Also do you know where to get an electric motor for the cine kodak k100?
Is the Canon Scoopic 16mm Film Camera lens parfocal? Can it be modified to shoot Super16 width? Canon's achive website says it is 4x3 format, I guess to conform to the early TV format days.
The K-3 is a non-sync camera so you would experience difficulty in doing that. For perfect sync you would need a more expensive camera or something like a bolex with a crystal sync motor attachment. On the K-3 with longer shots as the motor will drift easier over a long period past a few seconds you will experience sync issues. You might have luck with some sync on shorter shots though.
@@minarimon3106 For 16mm, probably one of the cheapest cameras you can find that’ll shoot sync-speed will be the CP-16 and it’s similar broadcast brethren. These usually go for greater than $1000, so they’re not exactly cheap, but they’re still thousands of dollars less than most other crystal-sync cameras like Arris or Aatons. Super 8 is nearly impossible to find a crystal-sync camera for, Pro8mm at one point used to sell some for like $4000 but most of these (if not all) have been discontinued, so expect to pay an arm and a leg for crystal-synced Super 8 if you can find one at all.
Im confused about loading the film. In another video, you said to be super careful not to open the reel canister, but with the amateur 16mm kodak film you can?
Many of these cameras take 100ft rolls of 16mm film. Those rolls are on metal spools that protects the film from being completely exposed in the light so they’re safe to load in subdued light outside of a darkroom. Larger cameras take 400ft rolls which always need to be handled in complete darkness because they are just wrapped around a plastic core.
Very cool stuff. Have you covered any analog cameras (as per your namesake)? Film is cool but I was expecting analog photo/video cameras (not that I'm disappointed).
@@martyjackson4166 Analog is electrical, using variable voltages, frequencies, etc. to represent data. Everything about film is chemical, not analog. Cameras like the Sony MVC-7000 and Canon RC-701 are examples of ASLRs.
@@Crlarl That isn’t what the Merriam-Webster dictionary says the definition of “analog” is. It says nothing about it being electrical. I do appreciate your profile pic though.
Can anybody explain why Scoopic prices have gone crazy? I sold my MS for $300-ish a couple years back which was the going rate and the asking price for a gray, first gen Scoopic was $100-$150. But now the asking price for an MS seems to be in the neighborhood of 1k to 2k which is mental and the gray Scoopic is $300.
Well prices on film cameras have pretty much gone up across the board! More people are interested and using them so the prices just naturally rise because of that. I've seen Bolex prices go way up in the past 5 years for sure
I'm glad that that's happening b/c with the state of things evem before the pandemic, I was wondering if there was going to be filmstock and/or interest to keep things going. Glad film isn't as DOA as everybody said it was, especially on the hobbyist end.
So theres double perf and single perf im looking to shoot and possibly project double perf film but i cant seem to find a double perf projector do you happen to know what projectors use double perf film or can you use it in a single perf projector?
more stuff i kinda don’t need and kinda really want
doughnut shop update i just bought 2 bolexs
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Definitely a relative judgement call. For you, this may be a $1k money pit. For The Strokes, it was ultimately a multimillion dollar earning music video. I hope we're all making value decisions for ourselves based on what we know we need and not trying to judge the needs of others based on our ideas of what we think they do or don't need. Not that anyone was doing that.
to the very small amount of people who will care , the original Evil Dead was filmed on 16mm and most of Raimi's student films were made on super 8
Correct. Many more well known films were shot on 16mm and Super 16. Regular 16 for example: Christopher Nolan's Following, El Mariachi, The Texas Chansaw Massacre. Super 16, too many to mention, but some examples of well known movies: This Is Spinal Tap, Leaving Las Vegas, The Hurt Locker, City Of God, Black Swan, The Wrestler, Blue Valentine, Carol, Jackie, Mother!, Irreversible,.....
I am a baby to 16mm, even though I am 63 years old. I will drink up this information, by the bucket! Thanks!
found a bolex at a thrift store for $20. at the time, i didn't know anything about motion picture film so i didn't buy it. man, do i regret not buying it now.
Stumbled upon on your channel, love what you’re doing for the film community.I truly love that there are film lover out there.Just got my bolex converted to s16 and I love it.
I have the last 16mm Bell & Howell, the 240EE and it is so stable, Orson Welles apparently loved it. You did miss the fact that some older 16mm cameras only use double perforated film and cannot handle single perf like later cameras. Some people actually shave off some sprockets on older cameras to shoot single perf on them, but I am not a fan of that. Other cheap cameras that are great 16mm models include Keystone, the brief early 1930s Stewart Warner and the CinKlox made in Cincinnati, Ohio, some of which do sound 24 frames per second speed. The Canon Scoopic (scoop, like a reporter getting an exclusive story) had models that also took 200ft daylight spools that are no longer made, but some of that film is still out there unopened and would be worth shooting. Other models we should all explore in 16mm include the Admira Electric 16 (maybe the best East Bloc 16mm camera ever made in its size and capacity), Auricon, Berndt-Maurer, Cinema Products, DeVry, Doiflex, Emel, Ensign, Eumig, Frezzolini, General Camera, GIC ETM (France), Ikonoskop, MCM, Morton, Nizo, PLB (also France), RCA (they made the first optical sound camera in 1935), Revere, Texas General, Traid, Vego, Victor Cine Camera (before RCA bought the company), Viewlex, Zeiss and don't forget the Mitchell. Some have lenses that are unique and you cannot get anymore. Look forward to your next 16mm videos and caught other already. Thanks!
honestly i'll take 20 minutes out of my day to turn a 400ft spool into 200ft mags anyday. Want a scoopic SO bad.
@@fenixlolnope361 Great camera, but look o9ut for light leaks that some of them can have, sadly. Otherwise, a gem I hope to get at some point.
I need to take my Bolex camera out to the local lake and doing some filming.
Those 16mm cameras look amazing
But they are very expensive
Thanks so much, I just subbed. It's a pleasure to find somebody who really seems to know about these wonderful film cameras.
In my grandma's old house back in Jerusalem, she told me that my grandpa had obtained two cameras at the time and was filming a lot etc. In 2016, my dad and I went to Jerusalem specifically in hopes to actually go and find those cameras in order to refurbish them etc. We never were able to find them :( We did find a lot of great stuff though (stamps, coins dating back to 1800s including but not limited to Ottoman Empire coins, daggers that were used in combat, old photo albums etc.)
Lol, now Scopics are 4,000 bucks a pop. That is truly insane.
One cam that I like is the Victor turret model, mod 3 I think. It's like a lightweight 70dr that's so portable and more compact. But it used only double perf 16mm film which isn't made anymore. So the teeth on one side of the sprocket gear must be filed flat to use current stock. I remember the pulldown claw was only on one side so no problem with that.
Ok dude ! You’re are pretty awesome!! Thank you for making this .
Very well done overview. I used to supervise the production facilities at a film school, and they kept six or so Bolex H16's on a shelf for 'special uses' -- meaning they never really got used. When I took over, I checked them out and four of the six immediately blew their spring drives. Swiss Professional (in NY) was able to repair them, but recommended that they be used regularly, so as not to degrade the mechanism.
As to sync (or the lack of sync / crystal), how well does it work if you slate the beginning, using double system, and then use the tools in Premiere / Final Cut to keep the tracks in sync? Anyway, a very well informed video.
I recall reading an article many years ago in super 8 filmmaker about how to make a crystal sync pulse generator
Hi | There is Fomapan 16 mm film too, 30 meters. In Europe costs around 35 euros.
*nervously sweats as I check ebay for a Bolex*
Damn you Analog Resurgence.
I recently acquired the Bell and Howell 200 magazine camera for 16mm
Just ordered a Pathe Webo .
Great job!
Other feature films shot on 16mm include : The Gods Must Be Crazy, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Clerks, Pi, Leaving Las Vegas, El Mariachi, and She's Gotta Have it.
Wow, I’m really glad that I found your channel. Your videos are very informative and well done!
Nice informative video! I use my dad's old non-reflex Bolex that looks just like yours for the occasional fun retro shoot. I had a newer reflex Bolex with a beautiful zoom lens but I sold it on ebay after filming my 16mm film day video. I thought I was done with 16mm due to cost and difficulties with exposure and noise but I'm still doing it. Anyway, I've had some success syncing sound but you have to chop up and adjust things. Shorter clips work better. The biggest problem with dad's old Bolex is the age made it shoot lower frame rates than 24fps and I'd look at the results at 24fps and everyone looked all fast like an old movie. My advice to Bolex users is to use the frame counter and run 10 seconds of an old exposed junk film roll and divide by 10 and see what your average frame rate is. increase the rate until it matches 24fps. Even if it's a bit faster, it's better than too slow.
Yes, in the late 70's this was used by us film students (more often Super 8)
I once got to shoot on the Krasnogordk-3 and I think it will be one of my favorite memories.
I actually have the original Cine Kodak Model A. $142 on eBay including tripod. Not so cheap nowadays!
Also, the only company still making 100ft rolls of double-perf 16mm film I can think of is ORWO. And they only sell Black & White Negative film. So not many options in terms of film stock.
The Film Photography project actually just started doing some double-perf color negative and other stocks!
filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/16mm-film-double-perf-fresh-kodak-vision3-500t-7219-100-ft
@@AnalogResurgence Didn't know that! Will have to try sometime.
Dank für den Film! Toll gemacht!
My first 16mm camera was an early model non-reflex Bolex. I now have a Bolex Rex5. I have also used a Bell and Howell Filmo, Kodak K100 and Cine Special, a Mitchell 16mm and a CP-16R.
Herb Montes how much did you get your Rex 5 for? I’m looking on eBay and the majority are around 5k USD
@@Andy-mr6yb I bought it about 10 years ago from a guy in Germany. He had it serviced and modified at the Bolex factory. It was originally a Rex 4 but had a magazine saddle added to make it a Rex 5. It cost me $1,000 back then.
I would like to mention somethings about the Kodak K100 and Cine Special cameras. I have owned both of these and they are very fine cameras. The main problem with these are the lenses that come with them. For some reason Kodak used a lubricant on them that cause the focus rings to seize up. This made focusing difficult. The same would happen with the exposure adjustment. The problem is not as big with the K100 since it is a C-mount camera and you could change the Kodak lenses for another brand. I have even mounted a zoom lens with a reflex finder on my K100. Not so with the Cine Special. This camera is great for doing animation and special effects work. But uses a proprietary S-mount lens system. Only Kodak lenses come in S-mount and have the lubrication problem. Fortunately I had a rare C-mount to S-mount adapter so I could use any lens on my Cine Special.
I just recieved like 50 rolls of recanned 16mm kodak film.
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Love your channel! 😁😁BTW Beaulieu: The first part "beau-" sounds like "boh," rhyming with "no," and the "-lieu" is like "lyoo," rhyming with "you."😊😊
The k100 and cine Kodak special is really stretching amateur.
The special also took 200 foot rolls as well
I recently scored a B&H Filmo 70a from eBay for $28. This cam is from circa 1927 and has a Taylor Hobson Cooke lens. This thing is so old it only does 8 and 16FPS And I think it also pre-dates C mount lenses (Not 100% sure) But the thing works GREAT mechanically I tested it with some 16MM leader lying around and it seems to work great! It will do until I can afford a Bolex H16. Hopefully I didn’t buy something “TOO old.”
I have used the Bolex many times. I actually had an Ultra 16 and loved it. Sadly I sold the camera but will get another one soon.
Glad you moved back next to the wall. Looks better
Thank you for your very nice video.
I really wish I had shot much more film (=Super 8 and 35mm slide film) in my youth!
There is certain magic in film!
BTW did you mention there are some old 16 mm cameras which require the use of double perforated film?
You simply can NOT use single perforated film as camera film transport mechanism uses dual sprockets.
(English is not my first language.)
Krasnogorsk -- is just a town in Moscow Region where the manufacturer of these cameras is located (translated in English something similar to "town of a red hill"). The factory is still alive, it produces medical, military and other optical equipment. But no more film cameras sadly.
Great information and i look forward to seeing future content
get yourself an old keystone and pray it has one set of perfs! Criteron cameras are usually single perf
What about the Arriflex 16mm cameras like what was used on The Other Side of the Wind, do you know if those are any good?
The Arriflex cameras are really nice cameras! There are early ones like the Arri 16S that are really nice cameras that can be a step up from some of these cameras here (the lenses available for those cameras are very nice and can get very expensive). I want to cover some of those cameras in the future and didn't want to group them in with these primarily spring-driven cameras.
cinematechnic.com/resources/arri_16s
Analog Resurgence Cool, thanks for the tip. Keep up the good work!
Not an amateur camera!
@@AnalogResurgence Hey man your videos are so usefulll! i've a question. Whats do you think about Krasnogorsk 2? Is a good camera? What's the differences between the Krasnogorsk 2 and the Krasnogorsk 3? I already use super8 and i want to buy a 16mm camera and i found an announce of an working Krasnogorsk 2 :))))
@@baloup571 I'm not too sure the difference between the 2 and the 3, but I know the 3 is more popular. They're cameras that a lot of beginners pickup because they can be found for cheap and also you can get some great lenses for them because some have an M42 lens mount that lots of older 35mm photography SLR cameras had! They're soviet made cameras though and were made somewhat cheaply and can give you some problems because of that. It's not uncommon to have film jam or scratch with them, but you can get some great results as well! I like to use this website for reference and to see what people have experienced: cinematography.com/index.php?/forum/6-16mm/
There is actually single lens reflex Kiev model. It was however problematic as it uses dichroic mirror to split image and image in viewfinder was pretty terrible. I still enjoy it due to it's small form factor.
Thanks you bro!! Waiting for new episodes 🙏🏻
Krasnogorsk II-16mm good for regular film.I love it.🎬🎞🎥👍🥁🥁
When you cover the professional 16mm cameras don't forget to cover the Mitchell 16mm and Maurer 16mm studio cameras and the difference between 2-perf and single perf 16mm.
Wow, this is a very well put together TH-cam video. You clearly did your research! Very informative. Thanks for posting this!!
Would these be good for traditional frame-by-frame animation?
Yes! The Bolex can be used for single frame animation easily
@@AnalogResurgence Awesome, thank you for the reply! I was trying to figure out how to create an older anime aesthetic using traditional animation methods, and inking/painting cels was easy enough to figure out. Transferring those cels to 16mm film (which was commonly used for TV anime until the 2000's) was the head-scratcher for me. Now I know to invest in a Bolex camera and jerry-rig it to point downwards to capture the cels frame-by-frame!
Of course, I could have just used filters and animate digitally, but nothing beats the real thing, in my opinion. Plus I can frame and sell the cels afterwards as art pieces! And I could maybe even sell the film itself!
Hey can you do a tutorial on how to load and unload film from a cine' kodak model k please
Texas Chainsaw Massacre was filmed on a 16mm Bolex.
Might have been a few shots done a Bolex, but it was mainly shot on an Eclair NPR.
MAGAZINE FILM IS NOW AVAILABLE AT THE FILM PHOTOGRAPHY PROJECT! They have color, black & white, positive, and negative film.
Decent attempt. ;-) Beaulieu (beautiful place) = boe (as in tying a bow) lyoo
Have you considered taking a gander at these 16mm magazine cameras now that FPP offers the magazines?
I really enjoy watching your videos they’re super informative! Now I have two working analog cameras. A 8mm and a 16mm. What I’d be interested in knowing is how do you take care of them so the motor or any of the vital components do not stop working?
The best thing to keep in mind is if you're storing the camera for long periods of time, make sure not to do so with the motor wound up! If my Bolex has no film inside and is sitting in the case for a few months I always make sure that it isn't wound up at all.
Have you had any experience of the Kiev 16U? Good or bad! They look fairly portable which would be handy for me. Thanks for the great channel.
Will a crystal sync motor for a Bolex also allow you to shoot without turning the handle? And in that case shoot for more than 30 seconds?
I wanna get a keystone 16mm they look cool
I have a Criterion A-9 which seems to work well though I've never used it. I'm thinking I might get into 16mm soon.
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Yes , I confirm you misspronounce Beaulieu 😁 ..try to say it this way: bowlew...though it won't be perfectly mimiking the french "eu" (which has no equivalent in english) it will be close enough.
Bew- Lee.
Great stuff cheers,
You should do a review on the Keystone 16mm cameras. They are far more respectable and reliable than their first impression gives you.
Is a 16MM Cine Kodak a good Begginer Kamera ?
My bell and Howell camera is a wind up and it actually has a really constant speed
Great job on the video. I have been getting out my old equipment and will be editing and digitizing some old 16mm shot in 1974 of a former olympian riding his bike across the USA and back again in 38 days. When I am done I plan to sell off my old equipment so if you have any ideas aside from ebay I would appreciate an email back. I have 2 Bolex cameras. a bell and howell 16mm filmosound, a Minette viewer and a bolex splicer.
You’re still the man
hey there dear noah
would you recommend the BEAULIEU over bolex camera?
Would you use cctv lenses on a Bolex? Like the sony 12.5-75mm, would i end up with vignetting? I’m having a hard time finding out what works and what doesn’t.
You can and there are a bunch of those old CCTV C-mount lenses out there, but they can give you some unexpected results because of their quality. I own a couple, but haven't had a chance to test them out too much. I'm not too sure about vignetting, but they should cover the whole frame. I know because they weren't really designed for film cameras that they won't produce high quality results and can be softer then normal cine lenses. Still they're usually a pretty cheap investment and if you're looking for some simple lenses for a bolex they can be a good place to start. You can also check out sites like these for some more information and discussions on the subject: cinematography.com/index.php?/topic/39-bolex-h16-question-or-any-16mm-c-mount-camera/
@@AnalogResurgence awesome thanks for the quick reply! Love your channel man. Keep it up!
Where to show your finished product
Is the background clicking noise an analog thing?
What is recommended for stop motion like a Harryhausen’s film? Thanks!
Would it be possible to record sound separately and edit later?
6:13 I have a Krasnogorsk-3.
I may have to get my 16 mm camera out of storage. It was my grandfather’s camera. A vintage Victor Cine Camera. Maybe not as good as a bolex but does use 100’ rolls of film and has a three lens turret although I only have 2 lenses for it
I'll have to ask my grandmother if she still has a film camera laying around.
Can I do long takes with an Arriflex 16S, or is it like the bolex where I can only shoot for 30 seconds?
Yes you can do a long take. The 16s can take a 400ft external magazine which run for about eleven minutes I think. You would need a changing bag to change film in and out.
Is it possible (or even all that wise) to mount modern lenses on a 16mm motion picture camera? Such as mounting modern c-mount lenses on the Bolex you have?
I'd never call Eyemo an "amateur" camera, it was used by photojournalists extensively during the war before becoming the key crash camera for Hollywood (where it still is used sometimes). To my knowledge there was never any 35mm camera made specifically for home movie use, that simply wasn't a real market until 16mm entered the equation.
Very good Noah, let me leave a comment to improve your standing with the almighty algorithm.
Heyy quick question. I got a tape with a black side and a yellow side inside a old video camera. How can i see if the film is already used?
Can you recommend good sources for finding a decent budget friendly 16mm film camera?
Where is the best place to get a Scoopic other then Ebay?
I like to keep an eye out on this site, usually some more reliable stuff being posted: cinematography.com/index.php?/forum/15-cine-marketplace/
great info. Appreciate it
ffp has some 16mm film in cartriges
Great video!
Meopta Admira 16 electric is another, quite obscure, also "communist" Czech 16mm camera, made in 60's. It's very humble (look-through viewfinder only and prime lens), but it's electric, so the mechanics is simple and relatively easier to repair. It has unique design.
Why shud I use 24fps when shooting silent? I'd use 16fps to gain a minute more on a 100ft roll. If blurry action is the problem, one can use a cam with adjustable shutter, closing it down so that each frame gets about one sixtieth sec or less.
I've read in old camera magazines of the 1970's that "Beaulieu" was pronounced "BOWL-yew.";) My first (and only) Beaulieu was the MCR-8G, a Double 8mm movie camera with an astounding 6.5-52mm Angenieux zoom lens. It produced Kodachrome movies as beautiful as the camera, but back then I was more interested in long lenses for surf photography (As in the Century Precision Optics 650mm f/6.3 lens). Plus, this was in the early 1970's when Double 8mm film was getting hard to find unless it was Kodachrome 25D/40T. So I sold it to a salt-soaked surfer and went looking for a 600mm f/5.6 Nikkor. (But that's another story.;)
Since Beaulieu is french, I believe the pronunciation is BO-lee-ew
Yep, I took Spanish to satisfy the school foreign language requirement. (My older sister was the French speaker.) In retrospect, I should have gone to Japanese language school.;)
It's "Bullyew"
Eau in French is water. Its pronounced *Oh*. Just as the word for loved one or sweetheart is *Beau*. It is pronounced as *Bow* (necktie or archer"s). So the close approximation to the proper pronunciation is Bowl-yer.
7:27 That' a 200ft mag, not 400. I wish there were 400ft mags for the Beaulieu
Thanks so much for this video.
Do you know where i could find a live view lens for a film camera? I saw many for $100 and up two or three years ago and now its like they’ve vanished. Also do you know where to get an electric motor for the cine kodak k100?
Is the Canon Scoopic 16mm Film Camera lens parfocal? Can it be modified to shoot Super16 width? Canon's achive website says it is 4x3 format, I guess to conform to the early TV format days.
What camera is that at 4:39?
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Where do you get the film processed at?
Can I use k-3 to shoot film and record sound on set separately then sync it in post ??
The K-3 is a non-sync camera so you would experience difficulty in doing that. For perfect sync you would need a more expensive camera or something like a bolex with a crystal sync motor attachment. On the K-3 with longer shots as the motor will drift easier over a long period past a few seconds you will experience sync issues. You might have luck with some sync on shorter shots though.
Analog Resurgence which super 8mm camera you recommend to shoot film with sound even if I have to record sound separately??
Analog Resurgence or which super 16mm camera you recommend for the job ??
The k3 will be wild. You would need a Crystal-Sync motor. it's Good for MOS.
@@minarimon3106 For 16mm, probably one of the cheapest cameras you can find that’ll shoot sync-speed will be the CP-16 and it’s similar broadcast brethren. These usually go for greater than $1000, so they’re not exactly cheap, but they’re still thousands of dollars less than most other crystal-sync cameras like Arris or Aatons. Super 8 is nearly impossible to find a crystal-sync camera for, Pro8mm at one point used to sell some for like $4000 but most of these (if not all) have been discontinued, so expect to pay an arm and a leg for crystal-synced Super 8 if you can find one at all.
Is there a 8mm vs 16mm
Im confused about loading the film. In another video, you said to be super careful not to open the reel canister, but with the amateur 16mm kodak film you can?
Many of these cameras take 100ft rolls of 16mm film. Those rolls are on metal spools that protects the film from being completely exposed in the light so they’re safe to load in subdued light outside of a darkroom. Larger cameras take 400ft rolls which always need to be handled in complete darkness because they are just wrapped around a plastic core.
@@AnalogResurgence Got it! Thanks!
Very cool stuff. Have you covered any analog cameras (as per your namesake)? Film is cool but I was expecting analog photo/video cameras (not that I'm disappointed).
This video is about analog cameras…? Or do you mean electronic analog cameras? Film is also analog. Analog doesn’t have to be electronic.
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Analog is electrical, using variable voltages, frequencies, etc. to represent data. Everything about film is chemical, not analog.
Cameras like the Sony MVC-7000 and Canon RC-701 are examples of ASLRs.
@@Crlarl That isn’t what the Merriam-Webster dictionary says the definition of “analog” is. It says nothing about it being electrical.
I do appreciate your profile pic though.
I had an Eclair 16mm
The Eyemo was never intended as an amateur camera.
thanks! right video to the right time :-)
I don't know anything about 16mm film cameras but Beaulieu is pronounced bo-lee-uh (which means beautiful place in French)
Can anybody explain why Scoopic prices have gone crazy? I sold my MS for $300-ish a couple years back which was the going rate and the asking price for a gray, first gen Scoopic was $100-$150. But now the asking price for an MS seems to be in the neighborhood of 1k to 2k which is mental and the gray Scoopic is $300.
Well prices on film cameras have pretty much gone up across the board! More people are interested and using them so the prices just naturally rise because of that. I've seen Bolex prices go way up in the past 5 years for sure
I'm glad that that's happening b/c with the state of things evem before the pandemic, I was wondering if there was going to be filmstock and/or interest to keep things going. Glad film isn't as DOA as everybody said it was, especially on the hobbyist end.
So theres double perf and single perf im looking to shoot and possibly project double perf film but i cant seem to find a double perf projector do you happen to know what projectors use double perf film or can you use it in a single perf projector?
Double perf can go through a single perf projector!
@@AnalogResurgence ok but how do you tell if its a super 16 projector? Or would a sound projector work better since it used the audio strip?
Super 16 projects are incredibly rare so most projectors you find will be regular 16. Even just a simple google search of the model will help you out!
@@AnalogResurgence alrighty thank you for the advice!
Is possible make a movie, 1h runtime with a 16mm camera?
A word of caution!! Be careful when buying older (pre 1960) 16mm , many only run double perf film and won't run single perf film. 😮