P 10C so called fatal flaw
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2017
- I attempt to recreate, on the firing line, the so called "fatal flaw" of the P-10C "rotating striker hang up". It didn't quite work as advertised. probably my fault for not failing the correct way. Edit to add - this is the very FIRST generation of P-10C pistols. This was superseded by a Transitional Generation halfway through 2018, equipped with a striker channel restricting striker movement, then a 2nd Generation also now being built in the US in 2019, incorporating other small design changes. Look up my other videos on the P-10C White Nitride and the P-10S.
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The P10-C has been tested, tortured and used probably more than any other since it came out in 2017, i have mine for 3 years its my duty gun, i also practice with it at the range, i shot over 20k, I've never had a single malfunction.
Duty gun and only 2k over 3 years? Yikes.
2000 rounds? Let me know at 50,000.
@@Osprey1994He corrected himself, he meant 20k lol
It's Aug 2018, son's P10c purchased in Jan or Feb of 18 doesn't exhibit that travel in firing pin as well as other 'hiccups' in construction noted on other channels to include exposed spring on left side of firing block, magazine catching, and trigger assembly rubbing/catching on firing block. CZ has shaved and nipped/tucked appropriately to eliminate those potential failure points. Gun has been flawless after 2000 rounds. Great trigger, sight picture and super accurate.
I ran junk reloads ,store bought stuff, hard primers... gun chewed everything up
Some people are looking for problems
Totally agreed !!
this might be the best view at a gun range ever. damn those mountains and wide open shooting terrain go perfect together.
I know this video is 2 years old but I felt like I should add my experience with the P10C. Solid reliable gun but at about the 1000 round point the slide would ,lock open after every shot. A small spring that holds the slide lock lever down had slipped off the “ledge” where it hooked and on recoil the slide lock button would engage.
Called CZ they immediately sent shipping info. In leu of shipping my gun away I disassembled it and very slightly bent the spring so it engaged the ledge with a little more pressure. After another 500 rounds it has been flawless again. Like this gun so much I bought a second one.
Your comment is now 3 years old and still relevant
A follow up two years later. Still, shooting the P10C every week, close to 10,000 rounds through it now and still no malfunctions that are not ammo related. Replaced the recoil spring about a year ago because the screw holding the retaining cap on the original recoil spring one came apart and the guide rod was no longer “guiding”. But it still shot and cycled just fine.
@@Rusty_ok same thing, original P-=10C still plugging along, no idea how many rounds are through it now, since I cast and reload, I have plenty of cheap plinking ammo. No parts broken or replaced yet.
Enjoyed the video, the wit, and the beautiful views of the mountains. For my first gun purchase I did my homework and still happy with my p10c purchase. I too plan on keeping it stock and eventually making it my edc.
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Thank you sir, I do aim to entertain and inform. Great purchase - what holster will you be using?
@@armoredman currently Vedder
Good, valuable information and well-presented. Thanks for the followup comments, too. You make a strong case for the P10C.
Not in my brain, maybe yours!
Great video now you got me seriously thinking of purchasing a P-10 C
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it, and I have two P-10Cs now, great sidearms.
I know that range you used very well... grew up there from 1967-2010. I knew the man the range is named after. When the AzFG&F came in with the city they did a great job of expanding and improving the range.
Thanks for the vid... I was giggling the whole time.
Take care
Well, would you mind telling me who Elzy Pearson was? There is no plaque, no statue, nothing, not even on the Parks/Rec website. Be nice if those who knew him could get a plaque made, IF we can mount it so idiots can ruin it.
I met Elsy back in the mid to late 60's. He was a salesman at the local John Deere Dealership, Central Machinery, in Casa Grande. He was always an outdoors man and loved shooting and hunting. He and his wife opened up a small Mexican food take out restaurant across from the high school, Little Sombrero.
What happened then?
My P10C was manufactured in 2018. 250 rounds through of Sig 115 grain JHPs and Federal FMJ rounds and no malfunctions so far..I will try Winchester white box to see what happens. I really like the gun so I hope it’s working well 1000 rounds plus in
Thanks for posting Sir!
You are more than welcome.
Great video! I'm getting close to 2000 rounds through my P10C and it's become one of my favorite shooters. My G19s are long gone, but this one is a keeper. Probably one of the best carry guns available in the market today.
Thank you - mine is riding in a High Noon Holsters Stingray rig right now, and has been upgraded to EDC. The thing just keeps working and working and working...when the full size comes out I will be torn between getting it and having the C as the BUG, or waiting for the S version and using that as the BUG for the C. :)
I would like to point out that the FDE pistol shown in this video is my every day carry sidearm and still has yet to have any issues. I don't keep a log, but I suspect round count is north of 3K now.
Since this gun gets used for training for a dear friend of mine every month for 200+ rounds, round count is 4K no with no problems.
Great video! 600+ rounds through my bone stock P10C and it's become my EDC.
Thank you, much appreciated - it's my EDC as well. I didn't think I would warm up to CZs first striker fired pistol, but I did in a big way!
This is my new carry gun, it is amazing. Slide and mag release a little stiff, but gets better with time. Shoots FLAWLESSLY. Amazing trigger and reset !!!
If you remove the mag release components & use a Dremel to polish them it will make a huge difference. There are instructional videos on TH-cam
if you can find some "Gunslick" found in old gun kits this stuff is gold and it works like a lapping compound and a polish at the same time and it smooths everything out just put it on all contact points and shoot the gun
gun looks like it works fine. The ricochets are scaring me haha
I heard that from someone else - there are a few downrange when I wasn't shooting at the steel, but the clicking and clattering noises on the concrete beside me are the ejected empties bouncing merrily along. :) It dumps brass in a civilized way, where reloaders like myself can get to it easily.
And the pistol still works fine, thank you. ;)
Thank you for the video!
Outssstanding! Glock fan-boys cannot accept the fact that CZ pistols have all the parts Glock lacks of from the factory, and Glock owners have to add up in parts, resulting in a more expensive pistol.
The fact is, CZ handguns excel! Albeit Glock fans refuse to believe it.
I own the P10-F and P10-C suppressor-ready; unblemished, nothing but praises from my personal experience.
Great video . I don't like the grip angle on glocks either. That comes from learning to shoot on revolvers and semi automatics with 1911 style grip angles. Your one of my new gun channels to watch.
Thank you, but as compared to Hicock45 or Military Arms Channel, I have very few videos out. Have to crunch it between working 48+ hours a week in the real world and being head of a family. :) But thank you for the kind words, indeed, thank you.
You are very welcome sir.
Debunking internet "experts"! Love it
This particular firearm IS my everyday carry, too. Completely reliable.
Bought one of the first ones out..3k rounds and not a hiccup. None of the issues people have been describing thus far. Seems a lot of the people having problems are "tinkering" with the guns with aftermarket parts and messing with or replacing the trigger groups.....
It may seem so - I only trust either CZ Custom or the incredible guys at Cajun Gun Works to do any work on my personal sidearms. If you ever want any really high class work done on your CZ, the guys at CGW flat out rock.
Looking forward to getting my suppressed P10C as my new bedside pistol.
Awesome - get an "F" mag for home use, with the extra four rounds.
I can’t think of one pistol that someone hasn’t bashed on TH-cam. I own several of guns that someone else seems to have a problem with and I’ve never experienced any of those type failures
The so called problem was actually proactively "fixed" by CZ about 5 years ago. I do have to point out, the P-10C I show in the video STILL is my every day carry sidearm. Thank you for watching!
Awesome video man. I was hoping you can answer a question for me that no1 on youtube can answer. My friend has a new p10c supressor ready. Right out the box he cleaned and lubed it. Using Winchester white box 115 grain it had a failure to feed on the 2nd shot and the 9th shot. The mag was a 10 round mag loaded with 5 rounds on the first string, then 5 rounds on the second go. After the second failure to feed it ran flawlessly after. Any thoughts on what might have caused that. And this is the updated p10c with the new backplate etc. Thanks .
Break in jams, first thought, though I rarely had break in jams with CZ pistols. How many rounds did you guys put through it and was it with a 'can on it? If it went 200 rounds with no further issue I'd call it good. Also, WInchester white box is junk, sorry, but I know sometimes you use what you can find.
@@armoredman yes it was shot bone stock no can. And we put about 200+ rounds through her after with zero hiccups. I'm a huge cz fan and being the first striker fire pistol I shot from cz I found it weird cause I never had any issues with their hammer fired pistols. I know Winchester white box is dirty and cheap but it was $10 less than the other cheap ammo Remington umc which i think is a tad more consistent. Appreciate the reply!
I am not a CZ owner, but I have a lot of respect for the brand. I may own one or more one day.
You will be quite happy, I suspect. :)
Lil'Yeshua
I don't pin my videos to other peoples channels to promote them, please don't do that here. Thank you. I will allow that Earl An has a video where he points out his list of issues he found with the CZ P-10c.
I will buy this gun definitely.
I carry the same one featured here daily - it has never failed.
amoredman, I bought mine today. When I went to the range this afternoon to start breaking in my P10c, I couldn't get the slide to release. I even pushed down on the release button as hard as I could with my two thumbs and nothing. I had to sling shot the slide to get a round chambered. What's the problem? Excellent video. I just learned something with your demo.
What gen is your P-10? I do use the slide stop sometimes to release the slide, but my Dept teaches the two hand method for slide lock. I worked mine over and over on the FDE, 1st Gen, to get it to where I wanted it, as you can see in the videos. If it is too hard to function call 1-800-955-4486 and ask CZ-USA directly if there is something that can be done. Thank you for watching, nd thank you for the compliment, much appreciated.
I haven't heard back? If still having issues, call 1-800-955-4486 and explain the situation to the incredible people at CZ-USA.
Hey, is that stock ?
My edc is p10c, only issue I've had is bullet setback , sent to cz, they polished the feed ramp for me. Not one jam after 1000 rnds.
Is there some vertical play in your slide backplate? There is in mine
Moves about a millimeter, maybe two, in battery.
Steve...I have the same issue with my P10c, I sent mine in just before x-mas. If the slide back plate comes down enough it won't allow the slide to go into battery...which is what occurred to my pistol. I had roughly 300 rounds thru the pistol. How CZ is going to fix it? I have no clue. The pistol should be returned any day now. I would advise you in sending yours in too. I've checked and this problems doesn't seem to be isolated.
Rick S I actually returned mine beforeI ever shot it. Didn't want to take any chances.
This is stupid i had the same issue after about 400 rounds. I even had the range guys shoot it and same problem. Im pissed to say the least. Sticking to glocks
Mine is doing the same thing. I sent it back to Cz and all they did was put a new backplate in my gun. 200 rounds later it's doing it again. I bought mine about a month after they were released but sure do wish I would've waited. This is a wide spread problem with the early pistols but Cz just brushes it off like it's nothing. I feel like Cz should do a voluntary recall and fix the backplate and striker issues. I love the feel of the gun but I just can't carry a pistol that's not reliable .
I had the issue yesterday at an IPSC competition. I fired my last round of the day and when i had to show clear to the RO i saw that my slide was not in the closed position. i tried to rack the slide but still had the same issue. It is not nearly as easy to fix the problem as you showed it. Had the fiddle around with that little "pin catch" for it to function correctly again. And dont get me wrong i am a BIG CZ fan. Very disappointing.
Was it the rotated striker like I showed or was it something else? When did you buy yours? Have you contacted CZ-USA? 1-800-955-4486
Yes its the fall safety pin that clicks into the striker pin. I bought it sept 2017. I stay in South Africa so its a little harder to reach or the send guns back to CZ-USA. I'll give it a try today
Sorry, was unaware where you are - say hi to Paarl Rock for me. You mean the firing pin safety fell down to block the striker? The one I show is the striker moving over sideways, which was all the talk for a few months, and then POOF. Can't hurt to try to call them, will the toll free number work down there? 1-800-955-4486? Last time I made a country to country call was 1988 from Hong Kong to the US. No CZ-Africa? You might try talking to CZ-UB in the Czech Republic. I've run into some SA CZ owners who have likewise difficulty contacting the company - we here in the US get spoiled with our easy access to company support.
Been a year - hope all was fixed to your satisfaction and that you remain safe in SA. BTW, Arizona is somewhat like that area and we would love to have more good gun people move here. Just sayin'...
Cz fixed the problem at around the 4x-5x serial number range. I love my FDE
I just emailed CZ-USA, to ask if they are aware of the reported issues; and if they are planning a recall or fix? I'll let you know if they respond.
They are very much aware and are working on various fixes, from what I have been told. You can also call 1-800-955-4486 and ask someone directly, if you want. They are pretty friendly folks out there. If you hear something interesting, please post it here so everyone can see it, thank you very much.
I guess no response? They are busy during SHOT and other shows in the first two months of the year.
armoredman, CZ didn't respond; so I traded in my CZ P10C. I will wait for a later generation to be released; then buy one. Goodness knows, I have a bunch of 9mm, polymer pistols to hold me over, until then. Thanks for replying and commenting.
Good luck to you and have a great day - see you next year, then. :)
This failure for the slide to fully go into operation occurred with me in conjunction with a round being out of spec by having an overall length slightly longer than normal. When this occurred the slide would jam out of battery, I had to drop the mag and very aggressively rack the slide in order to clear the round and release the slide back into battery. This would only happen in conjunction without a round that was out of standard by length. But, when this occurred it was a booger to fix and get the gun fully operational again.
Were they handloads or factory ammo? Sometimes CZ has what's called a "short chamber", meaning that some overly long rounds with wide bullet ogives can get hung up in the rifling before it's fully chambered. I had this issue with Berrys Target Hollow Point bullet - had to load them to 1.02 to get them to function right, in ANY CZ...even the Scorpion.
Now you are talking and giving me some interesting information that I didn't know. Thank you. That is good to know! I was factory Winchester Whitebox. There were two bullets that it wouldn't cycle, so I measured them with a micrometer and they were both longer than the standard other bullets in the box.
That, unfortunately, is more common than it should be in generic ammo, especially remanufactured commercial ammo. Take a set of calipers to a box of factory ammo and watch those variations. if you are really interesting in more information on this subject, I have this guy, Wobbly, who is the moderator on the Ammo and Handloading section on czfirearms.us. No registration required to peruse.
Awesome, I am interested in this issue and I will check it out! Thank you for this information and the link!
You are more than welcome, sir.
I have at least 3000 rds through my p10, absolutely no issues, not one malfunction of any kind, i carry mine daily as a security officer, i DO bet my life on it!!
Excellent!
Security officer here as well and I also carry a P10-C. About 1500 rounds so far and not a single issue, other than the fact that I never have enough ammo. There's never enough ammo!
I have a 2017 P10c which is as early production as it gets. She’s gulped down well over 5K rounds without any gun related failures. None. Accurate and very ergonomic as well. I trust it. Why wouldn’t I?
Same year as mine - mine was so early FDE that it came without the night sights. CZ made a good gun right from the get go.
I knew that range as soon as I saw it. Just got my p10f and may go to CG from Maricopa to shoot it.
Come on down! It's a LOT more crowded now than it was when I made this video, though.
I just bought this gun, not fired yet. Why is the slide lock impossible to release? Its extra hard
It IS stiff when new, and some are very stiff. Practice the over the top style slide manipulation you see me use in 99% of my P-10 videos. over time it does smooth out - I can use t on my FDE without issue.
I have a different question. Where is the best place to get additional mags for my CZ P10C?
At this time CZ-USA is the only supplier, unfortunately. Call 1-800-955-4486 tomorrow morning and ask.
Thanks again for the information and number!
www.gregcotellc.com has them and good prices
Awesome! Thank you Adam C!
grabagun.com/cz-78.html
U just made me keep my P10c
Glad to hear it!
1500 rounds, HBI trigger, steel guide rod, not a single hiccup. Fed every kind of ammo including steel case. Haters simply wanna discredit the fire arm because they cant believe that there's somethin better then their dated designed firearms
It seems like you have to work hard to make this malfunction happen. I can't think of any reason to sllloooowwwly let the slide close like that, or any instance where that would happen. And even if you do let it close slowly, you have to manually push the striker over. And if you make the malfunction happen, you rack the slide (which you'd have to do anyway to chamber a round,) and it's fixed. Am I missing something?
Nope, you have it down pat - thats what the guy was saying those several years ago when this was an issue. Everything has been modified so the striker cannot even rotate over anymore, so it's a moot point now, but yes, the thing had to be set up manually.
But what about the plunger safety being too weak any thoughts on that guys
Well, lessee, with 5 P-10s in the last 6 years, I haven't had one fail yet, and the FDE P-10C is still my EDC without issue. So my thoughts are, nope, that's not correct.
@@armoredman also I'd still want one. Beautiful peices they surely are
Same with the sig still would want one even flawed as it is honestly should never be a worry with safe handling
I love my CZ P10C
Somehow this video went to moderated comments - not sure what happened here...anyone have a clue what setting I screwed up?
Birdman Feather posted a comment that somehow disappeared, and he asked, "Any advice about fixing this? My pistol has done this a couple of times now. I'll be shootin and then it stops with the top back a little."
Sir, the best advice I can give is contact CZ-UA at 1-800-955-4486 and arrange for your pistol to go back for service. Like I said in the video, this does happen with a small group of pistols, and since it sounds like yours is one, get with CZ-USA and they will take care of you.
Send it back.
Spring issue. Keep sending it back.
I have a p10c over 1000 rds fired no malfunctions
Bought one on 12/9/23 and had to send it back to CZ USA on the same day for numerous issues. There's no way it should have passed QC or when test fired! CZ did fix it, but it won't be used as my EDC.
I had my P10C malfunction the other day at the range/ I only put 100 rounds through it when I was there. It went out of battery several times. I had to tap and rack it several times. So yes, the problem is there with some of the P10Cs out there. Mine is a 2017 model, so yes, I have a P07, which eats up and spits everything out. So yes, you are being very condescending. Im so glad your P10c works for you. Some dont, and mine doesnt.
And while you are calling me condescending, you forgot to say WHAT the malfunction was - was it the rotating striker, was it bad ammo, was it a bad magazine, what caused it? Also, if this IS a rotating striker, that would make about 2 I have heard of, out of thousands produced. How many rounds do you have through it? Have you called CZ-USA or just complained here? The phone is 1-800-955-4486, in case you don't want to look it up.
I’ve had two malfunctions with less than a 100 rounds with my cz p10c. Failed to feed. Using white box ammo.
First thing I have to say is I am not a gunsmith nor do I play one on TV. Second thing I'd say is Winchester White Box ammo has a WELL deserved reputation for being junk ammo, BUT, the P-10C should have handled it. I highly recommend calling CZ-USA Monday morning at 1-800-944-4486 and ask the gunsmith. Have you tried any other ammo, was the pistol cleaned and properly oiled prior to use, and didja hold yer mouth right?
Omaha Outdoors is the only one actually have the issue
To be fair, I was told that there were at least one or two others, but never replicated on film. Put another 200 rounds through that pistol this morning with zero malfunctions.
I'm a greenhorn here, but it seems you got a ricochet at 4:32. And that means this metal plate u r firing at should move/spin a bit so the bullets then will slide on it while hitting. And might mean u r not in a completely safe area.
No, sorry, the sound you hear is the empty cases hitting the concrete next to me. Watch the ground in front of the target as the steel sprays what's left of the bullet into the dirt. But keep watching and listening - I'm not always right - just ask my wife, she'll tell ya!
I'd say a bigger "flaw" is that if you slam a loaded magazine in, it will close the slide and chamber a round without touching the slide release. It's easily avoided by not jamming the mag in as hard as you can, but still.
That's actually not considered a flaw. Several pistols will do that if slammed hard enough, have had it happen with a few over the years. Some action shooters consider it a plus. I am meh either way.
Hey kids...and the moral of this story is, if you don't flip your gun upside and dick around with the striker , then you probably won't have a problem to begin with :).. I have the P10C, P07 Duty, P07 and the P07 Tactical...not a problem ever with any of them. I used to be a hard core sig guy. Biggest mistake I ever made was buying a CZ. They have ruined me for other guns now and I just can't seem to stop buying them :) Enjoyed the video !!
Thank you, glad to see people are still watching this long after I made it. :)
I just bought mine last weekend and it did jam up already. Hard jam. Had to hold slide in left hand and slam the frame with my right.
What ammo? How many rounds fired? Did it do it more than once?
@@armoredman mag tech 115gr. Only did it once and I have just @ 250 rounds through it so far. That day I had shot about 2 or 3 mags worth when it happened. Had not cleaned or oil anything, out the box condition.
I love cz,s have p9 and p10c my favorite pistols. the only flaw to me is aftrermarked products
Not enough customization options like red dots ,exetra
Getting there, getting there - when Glock came out in the 80s it took some time for support to show up. I remember. But companies like Cajun Gun Works and Suarez International are stepping up more and more often.
That striker safety spring dislodges, remove firing pin assembly to fix. Its a very light spring.
Well, after 6 plus years of this being my every day carry gun, shot a thousand + rounds a year, and I've had no issues.
Well sir great video ....but my CZ-P10c malfunctioned several times first 5 mags 124 g I sold mine back to the dealer and bought a FN 509 same ammunition the FN 509 shot with 0 problems ,but CZ is a great choice of weapon feels great looks awesome....can’t explain why one has problems,and the other one doesn’t with certain ammunition.....
Some guns are lemons. I've had name brand guns that failed in the first magazine, and "off brands" that kept soldiering on without a grumble. Only Beretta I ever owned was a pile of junk. Had a Ruger that wouldn't shoot to point of aim to save a life. Had a cheap Charter Arms revolver that worked like a champ for years. There are Friday/Monday guns, for certain, but for me, CZ has had the least number of those I have ever found.
With this video being 4 years old I'm sure you've improved your grip since then.
I keep hitting what I aim at, so I guess I'm doing just fine. I seem to be a better shot than a lot of people, so I don't worry to much, keep scoring Expert or Distinguished Expert in my organization. ;)I will say I have been shooting with a coach and extremely experienced instructor while training to be a 4H coach, so perhaps some of it has rubbed off on me.
@@armoredman i meant no disrespect btw. Just saw some things I would personally change. But what works best for one doesn't always work best for the next gut so hellyeah man keep doing you and putting out good content. Happy shooting.
Never heard any legitimate issues with the P10-C.
About the only one everyone really complained about was the stiffness of the mag release, which I got to work out watching TV and working it over and over again, but the new gen, like my wife's P-10S that came in two days ago, has the new swappable mag release and it is smooth as silk. Slide stop is a stiff as a life sentence, but over the top works well.
armoredman yeah, I didn’t realize that they were changing the mag release. I was running around trying to figure out why mine wasn’t ambi lol and I have noticed the same on the slide release. I’m hoping it’ll loosen with time, but I run over the top anyway.
@@nathangangi7571 welcome to the addiction.
@@armoredman Finally shot mine today. I can't say enough good things about this pistol. Normally I'm lucky to hit the ground if I drop my gun, but this one made me look somewhat competent. So quick to reaquire the target. When I got home, told the bride I'd like her to sleep in the spare room tonight, CZ and I want to be alone.
But that slide release is killing my thumb. Gonna try working it over and over like you said. Right after my thumb heals.
Just found your channel, and I'm glad I did. Good work, sir.
@@wireman290 Thank you for the kind comments, sir, glad you enjoyed the videos. I really worked on the slide release on both P-10C pistols to get them to work smoothly. The P-10S is stiff as a life sentence! So, I have been using the training my outfit gives and doing the two hand over the top/pull back slide release, and calling the thing a slide stop, instead. Best of luck with the thumb and the spare room!
Never had an issue with mine
I got 1000 through mine with no malfunctions. Trigger pinches me but other than that I love this gun.
HB Industries tigger upgrade is pretty sweet. I like a flat trigger bow myself.
CZ’s are the best guns out there. The P10F is a great gun also.
So how much did CZ Pay you
Not one thin dime. I make no money from CZ-UB or CZ-USA. My website is fully donation funded.
Who the fuck is playing with the striker lock? I have a p10c and have over 1000 rounds suppressed and not. Only problems I ever had was the first 20 or so rounds a few didnt feed. I love the shit talkers about this gun. Gun has been a dream for me!
The issue was resolved by CZ-USA recently, even though it is not an issue. It was an outfit doing a TH-cam video sometime ago claiming their gun locked up like that, but couldn't replicate it on video.
Nice demo...totally enjoyed it!
Thank you for stopping by!
The only person I know that had any problems had put in aftermarket parts.
There are some aftermarket parts available now that aren't bad at all, but you're right - at the time I made this, aftermarket parts were far and few between, and some quite suspect.
Let the CZ haters keep hating, they hate it because they don't have it!😂
Peak Czoy
One individual decided to use foul language and call me names for reporting what honestly happened and showing it on camera, plus that individual made unsupported allegations and falsehoods.. That comment was deleted. I am all for the free flow of information, but that goes beyond the pale into Lefist territory.
Someone just posted that deleting comments on my own video is Leftist. Deleted :D
@Captain Phlikenpoots enormous load of ballsnatch - I never complained about anyone at arfdotcom. I made this video as the single best way of showing that the problem was NOT universal. The hilarious thing is YEARS ago CZ made a change in the gun that eliminated this issue from ever occurring again, YEARS ago, yet the argument persists for some strange reason. Besides, with this wonderful thing called the IGNORE button, why in the hell would I care about getting anyone banned? I was barely active at that site when I made this video.
I just saw this video so I am a little late to the party here but I do not think what you demonstrated accurately reflects the real failure Shaun Ryan and Travis Kennedy had when demonstrating the pistol. The 2 former Navy Seals had a failure that would have been catastrophic in a gun fight and with all of their considerable training they could not easily rectify. Maybe CZ has fixed these issues but it was enough to give me pause and scrap my decision to buy one. I am sticking with my Glock.
Actually it shows exactly what the reported problem was with the rotating striker, which I set up multiple times as shown. Yes, you are way late t the party, as CZ has addressed this years ago, and only the very first generation P-10C pistols, like my EDC, are still in that configuration, with no issues with thousands of rounds through it. There is a program for a free upgrade through CZ for owners of the first gen pistols for the newer slide which now fixes the striker in its channel, as I showed elsewhere. Again, it's whatever you want to take away from the video, I make no money ere, but I replicated and then easily cleared the reported problem with ease, as shown multiple times. As for Glock - I qualify Expert r Distinguished Expert with the G19 every year with my Dept, but I just can't stand the grip angle. Nothing wrong with the gun, just doesn't fit me worth a darn.
Mine only does this if i make it happen. Im not a cz fan and this is the only cz i own but i do love this gun. Idk if it will ever replace my vp9 or g19 but it is a very nice gun, especially for the price
Thank you for stopping by and adding your experiences, sir.
Hmmm...never happened to me . Good to know just Incase. Thanks.
This was "fixed" practively by CZ many years ago, even though the actual "issue" was manufactured. .
No issues with mine.
i just walked away to a fn 509 after researching cz p10c fails.. dam i wanted one😂
No worries, that's why there are so many different guns out there. Mine has continued to work perfectly, (hence the video), for going on 2K rounds, but if you don't want to try one, no worries. The P-10C, S and F will be here for years, especially with the US factory about to come online. Enjoy the SIG - I hear nice things about them after the upgrade.
armoredman i do have a fde p320c upgraded...love ....only non glock i have....just put a gray Beretta gray apx in my mitts. now im really confused....lol
No confusion - buy them all!
right .. except reliability test from MAC on FN509 shown that it wont fire when pulled out from clear water ... now let me ask you, do you fear random malfunction that so far always had to be manually induced or do you fear more tthe fact your gun wont fire when it gets submerged for few seconds ...
for me the answe is simple, the gun that cant handle being dropped into a puddle is range toy and absolutely useless as CCW ...
To be completely honest, even MAC said he had a sample of one, and serious testing it is not, same as mine. :) However, I was happy to see the P-10C clear his gauntlet. ;)
Hello,
I think that the bad function that people attribute to this gun has to do with the lack of knowledge when it comes to cleaning and lubricating the weapon. The same problem happens to them as the Glock, if you oil the mechanism of the firing pin, they simply do not shoot and a kind of malfunction of the weapon is created. Something basic and simple, not excessive oil in the weapon, only in the few points indicated by the manufacturer. Thanks for the video. 5up.
I live in the desert, so we oil infrequently and sparingly - the stuff attracts dust. :)
My best friend was qualifying with the issued Glock 19 today, and the trigger bar broke, hanging things up enormously. However, in all fairness, it IS a range gun, getting about 1000 rounds a week for 46 weeks a year. :) Yes, cleaning and oiling is very necessary, but being in the desert, I always keep oil to a minimum - that stuff attracts dust like crazy!
I've never heard of this so called "problem"...I don't see a problem either.
There have been some reports of the slide cover dropping down in the back to hang up the slide, said to be caused by the striker rebound, as the striker spring is what holds it in place, allowing a microsecond of travel downward. A few people on CZ Forum czfirearms.us reported this and one person beveled some of the edges on his slide cover to address it. The rotating striker issue seems to be something oddball, which is why I made this quick video. I had to deliberately setup the malfunction, and it cleared itself with manipulation of the slide.
These comments lmao, always so many people talking about how many rds they got throught their gun and how perfect it is then the other half the opposing side saying hes not doing it right or whatever pure comedy
I am, of course, glad you are entertained. :) I had this one out again on Sunday for about another 200 trouble free rounds. Your mileage may vary, of course. ;)
Try 100 rounds of Winchester Whitebox and I bet you will have a malfunction!
I haven't used that junk in years - I load my own, like I said in the video, better ammo for a LOT less money. ;)
A quality gun should be able to cycle any ammo.
Send me 100 round and I'll be happy to give it a try - one major reason I reload is I'm a poor state slave, and my handloaded ammo is MUCH cheaper than factory.
Judah Lion I just ran 150 rounds today with zero malfunctions. 115 grain Winchester. Mine is 100% stock and I just picked it up on Thursday 11/9/2017.
Darius, I am glad that you had good luck with your specific gun. Perhaps, the issue is with the back plate dropping and hanging on the slide as some have experienced.
Actually, my back plate is always dropped down! If I push the back plate up and remove the pressure from my finger it automatically drops back down. It only seems to cause a hangup when I am using Winchester white box ammo and a couple of rounds are out of spec by being a little longer than standard. I watched the Omaha Outdoors video just now for the first time and what happened to him with the back plate and striker is the exact same thing that happened to me. Sometimes the slide will NOT go into battery and makes the gun inoperable. You can't bang the slide home or rack it with the mag in. I had to drop the mag and rack the slide a couple or three times to make the slide go into battery. This sucks because it is not reliable for CCW. You can't depend on it to save your life. I hate this because it is the most accurate gun I own and I own quite a few and it has a very good trigger, but it just isn't reliable with this issue. th-cam.com/video/W1jZiqTad3I/w-d-xo.html
I see, that isn't the experience I had, but it is one thing I have heard of. Did you contact CZ-USA? That sounds like a fix they need to address immediately. Willing to bet they will have it done right ASAP.
i was told by a big CZ fan and owner that CZ's have a tighter and slightly shorter chamber than most standard guns which can lead to problems chambering rounds that are slightly out of spec. After doing a little research, I discovered that what he told me appears to be accurate.
I know that Range!
I will say there are more problems with the p10c, though I understand why you chose this particular one to demonstrate as a non-issue for your firearm.
Other things are the very stiff slide lock and very stiff mag release. But for those just explain them to the gunstore clerk and find one in their stock that doesnt do that. Notify them that that isnt what is supposed to happen and have the ffl ship their defective stock back to cz for fixing.
Yes, I chose this one because one gun company claimed it happened to them but couldn't replicate the event without the physical manipulation thereof, so I chose this to show why it was/is a non issue. That particular FDE P-10C is still running strong factory stock with going on 3,000 rounds through it. If you look at my second P-10C White Nitride video you will see me drop mags from the mag release and release the slide with the slide stop - they are stiffer than almost every sidear I have ever owned before, but they clean up very quickly.
No problems with mine!
Some will while some won't.
From what I've seen, the majority works just fine. Those having issues are encouraged to contact CZ-USA at 1-800-955-4486, and speak to the warranty dept, who will do everything necessary to get it right.
armoredman I know that but from what I've seen on my own CZ P-10C,CZ USA can only do band aid fixes to the current generation of P-10C's I very much wanted to keep my CZ P-10C but after hearing about the frame cracks I threw in the towel on mine. I went back to Glock because I need a gun to be ultra reliable for EDC. I'm also am looking at a S&W M&P 2.0 Compact as a EDC and maybe a Styer.
Check out Earl An's TH-cam channel on the CZ P-10C for known issues on the CZ P-10C. Now if Glock can take a hint from CZ and make their pistols more ergonomic and look. Hope your CZ P-10C does you you right.
I watched his video - he spent a lot of time talking about what he'd heard, not what he had seen. I posted what I actually had seen and done with my bone stock sidearm...and his are anything but. ;) Nice work he had done, too. I haven't taken out the block to see about frame cracks, because I am not a gunsmith nor do I play one on TV, but mine seems to be running just fine with well north of 1000 rounds through it. To be honest, I should have run a round count on it, but I never did before, and I never figured I needed to, my bad. I would say that I qualify with Glocks as Expert or Distinguished Expert every year with my Dept, and I just can't stand them. Nothing wrong with the guns, good, solid, reliable sidearms - they just don't fit me worth a darn. CZ ergos fit me beautifully. If you like CZ ergos - have you looked at a PCR?
Excellent Video!
Thank you - it was seriously spur of the moment, no prior planning at all.
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Was very excited about this pistol upon first hearing about it- BUT- There is just way too many issues to consider this pistol as a safe reliable EDC weapon. Maybe in 2-3 years after CZ works out all the bugs- SO not the Glock Killer.
I think the negatives are overblown, from my direct experience, but absolutely, come back in a year. Might have the P-10S and P-10F by then, maybe even coming of the US factory. Always remember, Glock keeps making changes to thier "perfection" 30+ years after it's introduction...which I do remember. :)
Great comments to consider- I promised myself I WOULD NEVER carry a plastic gun- In 2000 I was forced to start carrying a Glock 23 - then Glock 22- Then Glock 19 until my retirement. 1000's of rounds through these Glocks with NO (NONE) ISSUES at all. Another guy on another dept. didn't clean his Glock for 2 years- No issues. (I still don't understand how he got away with this) But the proof is there for Glock- It is PERFECTION.
I've had three Glocks fail in my hand or i front of me, including a G17 1st gen that broke the slide under the ejection port, and an issued G19 3rd gen that had the mag catch fail, wouldn't retain the mag while I was trying qualify again with my dept - 15 years in so far. Nothing made by man is perfect. I ran a vz-58 for over 3000 rounds of dirty reloads before it started to stutter, and I have heard of Old Dirty, an FAL that hasn't been cleaned since I was in high school, and still runs. I tried it with my Scorpion, chickened out at 2000 rounds and cleaned it. I have had dadgum every brand made fail in my hands, including CZ, Ruger, Smith, Glock, HK, Walther and Taurus. Jennings, Raven and Davis too, but they fail on EVERYONE, so that's no big deal. What works for me is how infrequently they fail, and yes, Glock is generally reliable, dependable accurate sidearm - it doesn't fit my hand worth a tinker's damn. BTW, how often did your buddy shoot his Glock for 2 years? I know many sworn staff at my Dept who qualify once a year and never fire a round since then, and others, like me who hit the range once a week if we can.
His dept is very (was- retired now) aggressive on pistol qualification- at least 4 times a year and then in service training at the range at various times of the year. I would guess he put at least 500 rounds a year through the thing at the range. I am being conservative in that number.
Ok, pretty much a casual shooter and qualifier. Never going to overstress the equipment that way. :) I've put over 2K through this one and I haven't owned it a year yet, but, I reload my own ammo and cast my own bullets, as I pointed out, so it's really cheap to shoot, plus that nice range I'm on is absolutely free. :D
You presented a ball of confusion 😕
Another down vote with no comment. Hmm.
Some people fabricate issues out of nothing. With every aspect of life. There wasn’t any issue with this gun.
Nope. It still rides my hip every day.
I' m looking to get my first gun and what he said meant nothing,Except when he mentioned a battery? Bloody hell
I'm a little confused - you mean when "the gun doesn't go into battery"? That is a phrase that means when the slide is fully home and the round is fully seated, ready to fire. that is "in battery'". Otherwise a "battery" in firearms parlance is a battery of artillery, meaning a group of big guns in the military organized into a coherent unit. Was there something else you found confusing? Thank you for watching, please continue having a wonderful day, sir.
I guess Mr. Smith was too busy to return. Best of luck to you and yours, sir!
Another person attempted to simply link another video to mine - please do not do that. I don't link mine to other contributors, please don't do it to mine. If you want to post "So and So has a video that shows everything that went wrong" or some such, by all means, but a dump and leave link comment will get deleted.
Try wolf ammo
Yuck. Only caliber I use for Wolf is 7.62x39mm, and that only sparingly. Yuck.
Screw Wolf ammo. I’d run it in an old AK but that’s it. Their pistol ammo is absolute garbage.
I have done plenty of research on this pistol and I have never encountered the so called flaw you speak of. I would say possibley you are way too down in the weeds of some glock fan boy message boards... get out and enjoy life. No need to troll the trollers. They feel like their beloved Glock is threatened... that is okay. The CZ is not the only Glock killer on the market today. I do really love CZ but today I would buy the Ruger Security 9. It has a lower price point and it simply works... oh and btw it drives gun snobs absolutely nuts. Ruger is made in America and I do put a high priority on that fact when it is quality and a good price.
I'm thinking you might missed the point of the video due to its age - people around the 'net WERE talking about this so-called flaw when I made this video. Do note it is from a year and a half ago. Since that time the P-10 series has gone through two redesigns, including the addition of a non rotating striker, to sooth worriers. I have several thousand rounds through both the featured sidearm, my EDC P-10C White Nitride and now the wifes Gen 2 P-10S, with only the one break in jam on that - see that video at th-cam.com/video/5Mbo5yhqpYE/w-d-xo.html . The other two continue to be bobble free.
As for Ruger - not a damn thing wrong with Ruger, made right up the street from me and the EC9S is on my radar for a deep BUG. The other pistol grips just don't fit me quite as well as CZs grip ergos, but that's subjective. Everyone likes something different, and Ruger makes a damn fine product.
Oh, BTW, I have never visited GlockTalk, don't like Glocks, even though I qualify Expert or Distinguished Expert almost every year with the issued G19.
And that is the beauty of America, diversity of choice, buy and carry whatever you want, Colt, Smith, CZ, Ruger, Hi Point, whatever works for you. It seems that enough people were interested in this so called problem,( long since addressed and design changed), that this video has over 50,000 views, so, meh, looks like someone wanted to watch it. I also never go to GlockTalk, sorry - give them my regards.
LOL at 5:07 and throughout the entire video you can hear the ricochets flying right by them and the camera... Next time try letting the steel plates swig instead of just bolting it to a 2x4...
I do like the video though... Ill stick with my walther ppq or my glocks any day
There are no ricochets from the steel plate, amigo. The bullets are disintegrating - watch under the steel and you'll see the dust line. There are ricochets when I MISS the target once in a while, especially at that point you mentions, 5.07 - I was just shooting at the far berm, not really hitting anything. You can hear when I hit the target. The sounds of things hitting the ground are the ejected empty brass bouncing off the concrete. I've been shooting here for over 10 years and shooting steel for most of it - it's angled well down to avoid any possible rebound.
What a dumbass
what the fuck are people doing with their guns, who shoots with a slide halfway back like that ever
You probably missed the thing that got this started way back in 2017, when a guy claimed the CZ P-10C had a fatal flaw in that the slide would hang up on the striker when it rotated in it's channel. It was utter BS and I proved here that even if it had happened, it was an easily correctable thing. The other thing is not long after I made this video, the company changed the design slightly to stop the striker from rotating at all. So a non issue became an even more non issue.
@@armoredman it wasn't against your video, more like what kinda shit people did to try and prove that the cz was "unreliable"
@@MutsuKazuma Ah, no worries amigo, all good.
1075 no problems at all.
it doesnt matter the gun shouldnt allow you to do that, instead of defending ur gun, send it to cz.
You did watch the video all the way through, and saw it worked perfectly? By the way, "ur" is spelled "your". ;)
armoredman it's alright hes probably a glocktard that thinks only glocks work correctly.
I5ZQ8 Indeed I am a glock user, you should get one.
I prefer not to name call people, really - I have to carry the Glock 19 at work, and have qualified Expert or Distinguished Expert with them for 15 years - I can't stand the grip angle. Had three of them fail in front of me or in my hand. One 19 bloke the magazine catch spring while I was qualifying with it one year, wouldn't retain a magazine after that. Watched a G17 crack its slide under the ejection port, too - in all fairness, the only way the shooter noticed something was wrong was the POI shifted to the left. I use Glock professionally, because I have to, but carry one? No way, had far more of them break on me than CZs, and they don't fit me worth a darn. ;) Funny you didn't respond to my comment a month ago, but did respond to 15ZQ8. So, again, did you watch the video all the way through?
armoredman I study all day everyday so I dont have much time to answer phone notifications, you are free to carry whatever gan you want but trying to bash the glock after its track record is nonsense, there are just a few p10c reviews and people using them, and almost all reviews had problems in the very first 2000 rounds, to me that is inacceptable.
Yes this problem is real. On the range yes easy clear. Carry every day no way in hell till this problem is fixed. Mine seems to occur on its own while firing fast or slow.
Have you contacted CZ-USA at 1-800-955-4486 for repair? I haven't had this problem show up in the few thousand rounds I have fired, and I had to deliberately set it up in mine to show what it is, which is what I said in the video. Call the number first thing Monday and CZ-USA will take care of you and your P-10C.
armoredman yes contacting cz on Monday
Excellent - what did they tell you?
Did you get in touch with CZ last week?
Well, I hope CZ-USA took care of your issue - they have stellar customer service!
Hubris.
In what way? Care to clarify, elucidate, or otherwise explain?
It arguably glocks better than glock. And is overly proud of that. It's overly proud of its heritage, too. It's kind of a snob. It thinks it's better than Mexican guns.
It's too good for its own good.
@@chriszablocki2460 I am unaware of any firearms designed and manufactured in Mexico that are available for sale world wide, at least in legitimate circles. I do agree it is better than the Glock, considering I have had to qualify with and carry the Glock 17/19 for the last 17 years, and qualify Expert or Distinguished Expert with the Glock almost every year.
@@chriszablocki2460 it is exactly as good as it needs to be, and as all creations of man, it has room for improvement that will come in due time.