Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You (Ableton Push 2 Deconstruction)
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We deconstruct Stardust's classic Music Sounds Better With You using Ableton Push 2 and the new sampling features in Live 9.5
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man i have to say... i love this style of disco sampling house music... but coming up with the song structure was never the hard part... the hardest part (for me at least) is to find good songs to sample! everytime i hear the original track behind a very popular sample i find myself facepalming and saying "oh man it's just right there sitting so ready to be sampled!" i have to find ways to discover sampleable (is that a word) music!
the same here ! it's hard to find that 1 bar or 2 bar loop !
keep on diggin' !
IMO that is one of the funnest parts my man, and if you hit the right sample it feels amazing when it works right
James Jeffery I can send you a pack with disco loops chopped into 1/2 bar 1 bar samples hit me up at nabhjee@gmail.com
@@Prabash_Prabhu you still got them? how much is in the pack?
Brilliant! Only misses one thing (which probably is the most important thing about this track). The sidechain/mastercompressor pumping effect.
+Leave The World Behind Hiya.. yeah I kicked myself for forgetting about this after the filming. It was ubiquitous in French house at the time, and remains a massively (over)used effect today. Obviously easy to achieve.. just group all the musical elements, stick on a compressor and use the kick & snare as a sidechain. I was wondering who would be the first person to flag this :)
+Ski Oakenfull
I know it's quite a lot of work, but perhaps we can get a part 3 to this deconstruction?
+aligboyakasha There isn't really a need for this. It's relatively simple to achieve in multiple ways.
The easiest being to use the group tracks option that Ski mentions. Highlight the tracks using cmd (on a mac) and then right click to find the group tracks option. Insert a compressor on the group track and set the side chain input to the kick and/or snare. You'd need to experiment with the device parameters (threshold, ratio, attack, release, makeup gain etc) to get the pumping sound right. But it's simple to achieve.
The other option would be to use a send bus. Send the kick and snare to a bus. On the master output insert a compressor, select the side chain input as being the kick/snare bus and adjust the compressor as described above.
Nice close up of the wrist
The thing is when you sample, you have no control over the hats or snares...so what is the trick?
Cutting the highs out and sidechain
You got the base notes right but the bass repeats three times before it goes upscale
Yeah lol. They definitely messed that up. The theory of the bass line under the chords was a bit of a waste of time.
Thank you for this video.. just a suggestion. the GOPRO cam angle his hand blocks most of the top bottons.. consider changing the angle of this camera in the future so we can see the screen/values better...
The story is wrong, Alan Braxe has found the loops and call his friend Thomas Bangalter to help him cause he has the skills, Benjamin just sing and it became the anthem to the french touch
Plus there is no string I think, it's just a second loop in the original track
Ha ok..I knew I shouldn't have believed that story! Thanks for putting the record straight.
I think he used this machine for the loops
Actually the string isn't a sample.
@@crydamoure0720what is it then?
ableton live 1 came out in 2001
Now isn't this one complicated way to get a sample going...
Nice video, thank you. But you really need to change the Push camera position. Ski's hand and arm totally cover the push when he's manipulating the track.
I think the famous Bangalter phaser is the Ensoniq DP4? Adds another level of low sample rate aliasing and is uniquley resonant.
Next time you make presentation on a device like the Push please watch your arm or hands on front of the camera. Your hand covers your actions with the knobs and you actually just don't see what you're doing...
I really enjoyed that! Ableton 9.5 and Push 2 look really good.
For the Christmas Deconstruction this year could we have either Mariah Carey 'All I Want For Christmas' or Kurtis Blow 'Christmas Rappin' please?
Perhaps I'm completely missing the attraction of Push for a task like this, but there never seems a time when it wouldn't be a whole lot simpler just to do it on the computer. In fact every time I see a Push tutorial video where the presenter / demonstrator uses it to build a song (as opposed to using it to just launch clips in a live performance), it always looks like he's desperately trying to prove against all odds that he really can eat soup with a fork if he tries hard enough. Other than that, superb video, superb deconstruction and reconstruction, you guys are total legends. Thanks for taking the time to make it and share it.
totally agree with you, seems like it's a painstaking task compared a computer edit... hell give cool edit 96 instead of push
Holy shit, you just took the words out of my mouth. Exactly what I think! I just see it as another layer of complication. Much easier just using the computer screen.
I have a push, if I were doing this I would be using a whole lotta mouse. Push is great but not for everything.
jon vincent n the peasants that agreed with him are retards that don't understand concepts and workflows.
I love learning music from John Oliver and Michael Fassbender!
Suggestion - Dont use only the over head cam coz we cant really see what you doing at time ... :) But thanks for all the vids anyways very helpful
This series is the bomb. Please keep Ski running it as well...
"It's seminal, an over used term" I laughed.
** The tuner that was added to Ableton is also super useful for tuning drums **
Fastest method I've found so far for dealing with kicks I don't know the key of.
Ski deserves constant credit for his laid back fun approach to these videos! Respect brother!
I'd love to see you do a Flying Lotus vid, but I highly doubt you'd be able to touch his sound. If you could you're a genius..
This is so dope! Going to attempt to remake it myself to better understand French House production ✨
I was stationed in Germany when this song came out in all the clubs.
Loved it! #feelsgoodman
I bet that was epic
Great video! Love the track. And it seems like I need to spend some money on the new push. Push 1 was great, but Push 2 seems to put a lot on top
hi I was wondering if it would be possible to do a deconstruction video on Andre 3000's hey ya, there's that 1960's 1970's bebob vibe in there. I don't know how it works I just want to know if you can do that. Thanks
he fucked up the bassline :/
Be a great tutorial if you could see what he was doing - if you could keep the hand out of the way from blocking each editing process when turning knobs. Can't see a thing.
I guess the computer mouse is not good enough for this guy..
Wow. Crazy how hits can be so incredibly simple.
It's simple but definitely requires you to know what you are doing.
The cameras turned off, and then they went in on the argument over tuning drums.
Great stuff guys as always, nice to see you chop up a disco track, right up my street :) Cheers for costing me over £300 on Monday for the new Push Ski :P
I have respect for that wamen behind that sample
That was my first and a great ffl
Ableton didn't bring in drum slices until a lot later than 2001 let alone 1998 before it was even out. My guess is that they used Recycle with an Akai sampler
I really want to see a Jamie XX deconstruction! I think that would properly challenge Ski!
30:15 Sampler doesn't give you every feature from Simpler (anymore) when you convert Simpler to Sampler. You are loosing the new features like pitchshifting/timestreching and slicing.
So you still can't have multisamples AND those new Simpler features at the same time (unless you use racks with multible Simpler devices). And when you convert a device from Sampler to Simpler, Simpler is in the multisample mode (no matter if you used mutisamples or not), where you can't use the new features.
I hope they will bring all those features of Simpler and Sampler to one single device.
Thanks for this. I'll check it out myself properly..
I wouldn't manual add the beat like that because guarantee over length of track you lose timing which is bad for mixing
which interview did you see of Thomas bangalter I want to know :o, there's no other interview except the -brown bag on their heads- one.
+Pranav Raykar www.macmusic.org/articles/view.php/lang/fr/id/104/Thomas-Bangalter-Daft-Punk-et-Live
Once again Ski: thank you for not clipping, over-compressing or over-limiting.
I hate when i miss the realtime stream ;(
+David Boura We missed you David!
+Point Blank Music School yeah, i know... sorry really ;D
C'est de votre faute aussi, vous ne postez plus que sporadiquement... tristesse
+theforsbergshow Les français principalement ;)
It's me, the nitpicking asshole, that corrected you with 8th and 16th a year ago ;) That's not a rimshot. A rimshot is to hit the rim of the snare so hard that the drum stick bends and hits the drumhead with the side of of drumstick, producing that loud shot-like sound. What you mean is a "Cross Stick", see th-cam.com/video/a2KFrrKaoYU/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/IJbqRA4fSrM/w-d-xo.html
Sooooo many people get that wrong.
But anyway, Ski, your deconstructions are simply brilliant and so instructional! Ifeel so bad correcting you on details. (No, in fact it gives me a good feeling that someone who's a better musician than me by lightyears also makes mistakes ;) )
Buckingham Nicks:)
+SsgtHolland Respect!
So that's how the best house track ever has been done
I probably miss something but you don't even sidechain the sample ?
32:43 Tense moment there...both scratching their heads
It is said that it is actually the odd behavior of the alesis 3630 compressor on the master bus that caused the pumping and signature sound, and not an external sidechain trigger. But it could be both.
+acYm Indeed, hammering the 3630 with a kick usually caused the same effect, without using the ext sidechain input on the back
takes too much effort to do this on push... why not mouse and ableton? :/
+kflynt2006 If that's what you wanna use, do it!
Point Blank Music School dont mean to be offensive. I am just wondering what push has to offer in such type of work on ableton. It seems to me it will take so much time to learn to do all that detailed sample editing with knobs in a productive way.
+kflynt2006 just try push you will see why
Pete Lachatte I did. Perfect solid piece of hardware. But I would prefer it for live use. Takes so much time to learn to use it in a productive way with such detail. Im a mouse person :P
cos they're not trying to sell you a mouse! 😁
so did the sampler that Stardust used have pitch control?
Sp 1200
Plese decostruzione gigi D'Agostino song!!
Ski still on a protest against being type cast as "guy with hat" I see!
Just wanted to show off the wig!
Great video, wow does the new push controller look awesome
+Will Acres Yes sir!
Just out of curiosity, do you produce any music yourself declan?
m.soundcloud.com/holmes-price
+Ski Oakenfull Cheers Ski.
Where's the link to Dec's music gone Ski? Doesn't work. . ps - keep up the good work.
soundcloud.com/holmes-price
I just checked this and it worked fine.
[r00t] .1 cheers - worked on my phone just not on my mac, odd. Thanks 👍
I guess the original track was made with a Emu SP1200 like you said or a 12 Bit Akai sampler like the S900 0r S950 a much more popular brand and much more available sampler at the time both sound similar, not sure they would of quantized the sample as you did, if they just pitched it up 1 semi tone to speed it up to 124 Bpm with a little tuning no doubt (I remember the days of using hardware samplers you could spend hours just looping the samples to get them just right) you would hardly notice the slighlty out of time "live' feel of the drums which is what made it sound good in the first place. A few of the top end DJ mixers in the 90's had a filter built in maybe they used that in the original track. I loved this era of French disco house really popular in the clubs at the time.
Push 2 would probably totally replace my maschine Mk1. I use it more like a sound pallet & midi controler now more than anything anyway. Prefer the sound, speed and flow of doing it all in Ableton. Would prefer Push 2 to Maschine studio
Where can I find the full studio HQ Acappella? I’m dying to get my hands on a nice enough Version
Even though you are explaining it and you really know what you're talking about, I still find it complicated and difficult to understand. But I haven't ever used anything like the equipment you're using. I'd need a lot of slow patient teaching.
Great deconstruct, simple & straight forward. Would you consider deconstructing a future bass track at some point?
I've just come across this channel and I'm absolutely loving it, just wondered if anyone knows whether it's possible to do the pad slicing as shown here without Push 2? I've got a sample loaded into simpler and would like to manipulate it in a similar way to how Ski showed here, ensuring transients are in the right place but I'm not sure if that's exclusive to the Push system as I can't seem to find the option within Ableton itself.
Great Video, is there any chance to get the same phase "feeling" with some FL Studio Plugins?
HELP - When I have an Audio channel with a clip loaded in it my push 2 says no device... how do I get the wav display on push?
Nice video very informative. I hope one day you do a remake of the Supermen lovers "starlight"
thanks for great deconstruct. Main benefits of upgrading from 1 to 2 for a guy like me that is not so much into sampling and editing audio/samples?
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Thanks Ski, so pro as usual. Is time to invest more money on Ableton guys !!
Which drum kit at 19:00
What device is this?
Nice deconstruction, thnak you ! I want more with the new Push2!
you guys rock for posting it up right after the live broadcast so I can wake up and watch her in LA. Thanks!!!
Very interesting... thanks for the breakdown! Great tutorial :)
July 27th 1998 the song came out
Who else went to listen to the full song after this video finished?
Thought they would have used the S760?
where can i download the vocals ? Great video !
Think we got a Fleetwood Mac fan here ^^
The dude (presenter?) in the black is woeful. Maybe try and get someone with a little less energy, next time; this chap is far too excitable!
very interesting and informative- thanks
very interesting and informative- thanks
Sorry, how'd they get the vocals?
i didn't think sampler had the new warping
That ableton push 2 aged so well. 😩
Wow... 32:43... that awkwaaaaaard..... head scratch
He forgot to chop another sample.
I'm not sure which I love more. The video content itself or the guys Buckingham Nicks T-Shirt.
p.s props for bringing up Roule and Crydamoure!
Anyone have a link to the acapella?
More de constructions please
skip the talking- 5:46
Next video i hope point blank does in the near future is of using Bitwig on the new surface pro device. I don't know if they've really talked about Bitwig yet but its getting more popular its time more people really took a look at it potential . Shit its even featured all over the new microsoft commercials it would be refreshing to see them use something different besides the two major daws Ableton and Logic. Just an idea though
Jake Butler hey just curious to know what features does bitwig have that Ableton doesnt?
try warp mode on "pro" option
Great video guys
this was scary close
Straight genius
nailed the loop! so great
what are the last string chord voicing's?
Just unison octaves.. Not chords
Miss you both guys
26:26 haha that moment of realisation
Haha Doh moment😳
Thx much!
What bass are they using?
the stardust guys added a bassline using a Korg Trident synthesiser i believe
I was born 2months after when this song came out
It fits with your username so I'm inclined to believe you .. congratulations?
Notes for the string part?
i think in this vid they used AACDA.....AACCA but take it up a semitone for the stardust verion
Is this deffo in A minor? Everywhere else I have read says it is in G Minor yet doesnt feature a G Chord
+Jordan Clayton Hi Jordan.. sorry for the late reply . 'Fate' by Chaka Khan is definitely in A Minor - try playing along to the original track. The stardust track however is slightly detuned so is in between Ab and A. I don't know where G minor came from. - Maybe there are versions of the track that are pitched down? Hope that helps. Cheers Ski
Np man & thank you for clearing this up for me!
@@skioakenfull ive just found this after watching the tutoria,l i looped fate in the way you did then played it over the stardust version, sounded horrible of course so i warped in repitch mode and bang...spot on. only problem then was i followed what you did in A Minor and all chords clashed with the sample so had to detune everythink. wander why they just didnt stick to the original chords and do you think they did use A Minor then detuned after as i have done ?