I used to not care about shippers etc. but those people have been clearly too much gatekeeping Eren from Historia, the girl who actually COMMUNICATED with and UNDERSTOOD him. They keep attacking like mad dogs it's so baffling and exhausting to see them on Twitter, TH-cam, etc. Even if you took the "romance" out of EreHisu, the chemistry is still there, the storyline is there, the relevancy to the whole plot is there. Have you seen Eren headbutting Historia? Punching Historia in his Titan form? Venting out to Historia only to get mothered without any solution? Telling Historia "I actually hated you"? No? Good, then fix that toxic relationship first before hindering the one that actually makes sense. What Eren did to Historia was defending her, frustrated for her when she was in danger and about to be sacrificed, telling her his plan and encouraging her, COMMUNICATING IN FULL SENTENCES and often in serene emotional state. And Historia also did the same to him HENCE THEY TALKED, UNDERSTOOD AND BONDED WITH EACH OTHER. If those people come here with the scarf or 139 to defend themselves, then talk to the wall.
I'm not blind, isayama was clearly showing that attack on titan 's moral story was between kill or being killed, If isayama was consistent with his story, we all know what would have been the outcome, eren clearly had a goal in mind in chapter 131 and that was too destroy the rest of the world in order to protect paradis island from being wiped out, am I missing something?
All Isayama had to do was keep the story on the course he laid out. That's all he had to do and he was so close to the finish line. I don't believe for a second that he planned this ending beforehand because he would have to be an absolute scumbag to plan an ending that would only destroy everything he built up to that point.
My only problem with the rumbling ending is that this moral is weird. Can't convince me that a story about flattening 99% of the earth's population ain't a little bit weird With that being said, this twitter post made no sense.
full rumbling is the worst ending.... why? it's literally the ending everyone thought when the ending audio track was released. most of the ending defenders were eren stans who changed their minds because they didn't accept that their favorite work has become a lump of fan service, and they tried to disown everything just to make the ending look better than when it isn't.
What’s worse is that the Ending Audio was supposed to happen in the last chapter of the series, not in 134. This to me confirms that we were robbed of a Full Rumbling ending.
i swear it is the most inconsistent and disgusting thing, I hate the alliance but I had faith in Levi and in the end it was disappointing; annie should have been eliminated
I've noticed something with a lot of ending defenders that I've talked to. They often have to completely disregard huge chunks of the story to justify why the ending makes sense yet they seem to not realize that that confirms the ending makes no sense. I once got in a debate with an ending defender who thought Eren throwing a tantrum over not being able to be with Mikasa made sense because......get this........he claimed Eren never got any character development whatsoever. That was his argument. Apparently he forgot about, at least, 50% of the story.
@@majestvic It's honestly kinda sad how in denial these people are. I just don't see why else they'd be so determined to defend the ending when it actively harms the story that's been told up to that point.
@@teamtx1578 I've noticed ending defenders have a difficult time thinking things through all the way. Y'know like logically, step by step, _all the way through._ It really is bizarre how many gaping contradictions they let slide by actively ignoring so much of the story's pre-established themes, character arcs, and lore.
Overall absolutely agree, but there are two points where I would chime in: 1. I think Zeke's conclusion does not work only because of its execution. The way he changed his mind was just way too fast-paced and irrational. But let's say Eren finishes the Rumbling and shows Zeke a world where children can actually be born free (from oppression). That could change his nihilistic views over time. 2. Not a shipper and don't care too much about it, but I do think Eren and Historia share a bond of love. The show highlights their trust and care for each other on multiple occasions and even builds up the pregnancy-plot between them. If anything, those two probably share the deepest bond of understanding and respect in the story. I don't know what qualifies as love to most people, but if "yOu wRappEd a sCarF aRouNd mE" with zero understanding of Eren (which she and the story highlight multiple times) qualifies as love, then I would qualify Eren and Historia's bond as love as well.
I do agree with Zekes idea but not Historia tbh, people may argue whether they want to ship Erenhisu or something( i always felt like they were more like really close besties than actual lovers with feelings towards each other { I also feel like it will piss off YmirHisu fans as the story does imply them having a relationship via the letter Ymir sent and that Hisu would be betraying that trust or something idk} compared to Mikasa who really is in a one sided relationship with Eren in a loving way but does not understand Erens motives and only loves him based on his actions {i.e being courageous or other protective actions who will keep others happy in any way kinda deal} than what he thinks about i.e his goals which really does not develops her character or give any agency to her tbh ) but really some also feel Eren should not have a happy life after all he did with the Rumbling really, it leaves a bitter taste for those fans who feel like some retribution needs to happen for Erens actions especially for those who are on the alliance side really, a overall good conclusion I feel ( i could be wrong here feel free to correct me ofc) should involve all main characters being dead on this war except the people of Paradis and Historias kid being alive in a world which does not face extinction anymore ( civil war argument is also something people bring up but none will fight to the point of the extinction of all life in the Island ofc) which Eren finally does achieve his goals but does face the consequences of his actions in some way like the founding Titans power killing him in some manner or something, overall Paradis being alive is something that will be agreed by all fans even if they side with the alliance
@@Layd36 Eren can survive, start a family with Historia and still be filled with guilt and depression until the day he dies. All these things can happen simultaneously, I don't see a reason why they couldn't. Eren dying would also be a lesser punishment than leaving him alive with guilt until he dies, so if you want some sort of retribution, Isayama should leave him alive.
@@gogeta_lp idk I'm not sure how they will go about it especially when he does have someone who he raises and spends time with i.e love, something that people feel Eren doesn't deserve after all he's done, i get the regret part where hes made to live with his regrets but really he also gains some form of happiness especially when he does raise a kid here, some fans don't feel he needs that and overall there's a bitter taste for them especially when characters like Gabi or Falco who die with the alliance had resonated with some fans especially with Gabi's development to becoming caring and sympathetic and her dying off doesn't feel right tbh, you could say it's like a cycle of hatred fans developed if Isayama does write such a ending but we already seen the opposite end of the spectrum with Eren dying and the alliance being alive and the world too, idk it does seem kinda hard to reach better conclusions especially when it satisfies both sides of the fandom, I'm not even saying your ending is bad or something I do feel this ending is great but overall it will piss off some fans regardless lol
the most annoying part is, you know if we got the original intended ending(anr) these same ending defenders would be saying its the greatest ending ever "peak fiction". 90% of the arguments they use are based on source material from 139 which wouldn't even be a thing with a different ending.
How about you watch who you address.. just because we defend the ending doesn't mean we are all about love and shipping. get that shit outta my fucking anime....that's not what the ending is about...GO REREAD THE STORY 3 MORE TIMES...really process what is being said to you.
If the full rumbling would have happened and all/most of Eren's friends would die I don't even think It would be fair to blame their deaths on Eren. After Eren got the Founding titan he literally told all of them what he was going to do. It was their choice to join their enemies to try and stop Eren and they could have stayed in Paradise and just accepted the situation which they didn't.
@@cagdasyavan6628 as for Annie, she doesn't give a 💩 about what happens to the outside world, the thought of seeing her father again is the only reason she's with the cringevengers
@@Philthorn Annie coming back in season 4 part 2 was disappointing for me. I don't understand why people like her. Levi's main goal is to kill Zeke while fighting with a person that's killed most of his squad. Can't believe everyone acts like her best friend.
@@jimmyinfamous9664 I understand eren cause even though his "friends" grew up alongside him, they still failed to understand him enough to know that he would reach this point. What kinds of friends are these?
@@Philthorn I mean to be honest, It's quite hard to determine Eren's character and what his plan is in the end. I'm sure everyone thought Eren's plan was to destroy the outside world (because he literally said it many times) but in the end we find out destroying only 80% was his plan all along. I don't see an AOE happening but I hope the ending is changed just a bit in regards of Eren's character because it really makes no sense.
We can only hope. Tbh, I'd rather bank my optimism on an AOE happening (as unfounded as it may be) as opposed to seeing the dumpster fire we got in the manga in animated form.
@@teamtx1578 Completely agreed man. Admittedly there's some compelling hints at a full Rumbling AOE at this point, but what breaks it for me personally is that it hinges on the entire manga ending itself being reduced to memories for anime Eren, which just seems way too far fetched to me from the dynamic between the anime and manga as consumer products, and the utter redundancy and unprecedence of something as bold as the entire final half of the original, source material manga, being reduced to a pretty much retconned "what-if" deleted past scenario.. But never in my life have I hoped more to be proven wrong on something as this right here. AOT being saved from that god awful ending is the fucking dream.
15:11 some people pretend that historia was in love with the farmer for the farmer to be the father but with eren no he was just a friend he could never be the father hahahaahhahaha
Eren cares about his friends? So by not preventing Sasha's death, leaving hange to get schorced by the colossal titans and even letting fing levi almost get killed by zeke you're telling me that his friends' safety is his top priority? No, once he got the founder everything changed "Those who can't sacrifice anything, will never achieve anything, to defeat the monsters, you have to be willing to put aside your own humanity". Remember? (This entire dialogue didn't exist in the manga)
About the Titan Curse, it was straight up said by Armin after Eren became the Founder how he literally could just take away the Alliance's Shifter powers anytime he wanted. For the sake of ending the curse, why couldn't he have just done that to all the shifters and then they make sure to destroy all the Titan Serum left around? That would've been a super simple and realistic solution to eliminating Titan Shifters and any possibility of another Eldian being turned into a Pure Titan. Another reason why 139 is fucking nonsensical garbage that's inconsistent with the whole story that comes before it.
I've had several issues with not just the Founder's powers but Titan powers in general. If I were writing this story, I'd make a few major changes. 1. I'd make it so the Founder can't take away the power of the shifters because the other Titan shifter powers are basically split parts of the Founder. This would help address the issue you brought up as to why Eren didn't just take away the Alliance's Titan powers. I'd also have this apply to pure Titans as well. 2. I'd change how the Curse of Ymir works by doing away with the 13 year rule and instead making it so that every time a shifter uses their powers, it shaves time off their lifespan. It's already established in canon that using Titan powers takes a toll on the shifter's physical health (such as with the nosebleeds) so I'd explain it by having the shifter's body start deteriorating at a faster rate whenever they use their powers. Also, I'd make it so that if a shifter dies before someone inherits their Titan, that Titan power is lost forever instead of going to a random baby. 3. I wouldn't give the Attack Titan the ability to see the future. That ability just opened up a huge can of worms and I personally feel it hurt the story more than anything. I'd probably just give the Attack Titan super regeneration powers.
The reason Eren didnt do away with the titan shifter ability immediately (if he was able to do that) was because Paradise would still be at risk, so he wanted to destroy everyone outside of Paradise.
Everything from the return from Liberio follows a downwards slope into trashy sludge. You already described a lot of the big problems and most of the subtle ones, but the main damn issue is that EVERYONE BECAME [R]eta[R]ded! >Mikasa now is just "ERE!" >Armin is a sea sponge >Hange snorts bath salts >LEVI HATES EREN FOR NO FUCKING REASON And so on, and so forth...
Each of your critical videos show how much you loved AoT during its peak time and how deeply you appreciated the story's themes and development. (Apparently there was an interview with Isayama recently (I only saw some bits of his written responses, not sure where the whole thing is and if all the context is correct) in which he said he feels remorse and regret when looking back at the story. While a certain amount of "wish I had done x or y differently" sure is normal for any author, this is bitter to read considering how heavily he dropped the ball).
@@Philthorn how am I wrong when it is literally stated by the main character himself that his main motivation for the rumbling was because he wanted world like armins book. Saving his friends and paradis were his goals but not his main one.
@@aarontsafack16 his main goal was made clear after he got the founder (Armin's book was just full of fantasies written by people who never experienced hell)
Most of the ending defenders are people who are denying themselves. I know it from experience. You want to feel like your investment was worth it. All the times you recommended it other people, ect. It happens a lot with video games. When a game you love slowly starts to get worse most people struggle to recognize the decline in the game. It’s always “the next patch or dlc will make the game great again” just for it to never get as good again.
Heres something I will never understand about anti EreHisu ppl -aka fake EM shippers pretending to like YmiHisu but really they just want Historia paired off so she doesn't threaten their ship🙄- How is EreHisu disrespectful to YmiHisu in any way? How does it deny or invalidate Ymir and Historia's implied relationship and how is trust lost? Ymir DIED and told Historia to move on and live a happy life! She also CHOSE to leave and place trust in Historia being safe BECOZ Eren was there to protect her! If anything Historia moving on and being in a relationship with a man age loves= Eren a man who loves her and would do ANYTHING to protect her (even as just a friend mind u) is exactly what Ymir would want and RESPECTS her wishes and YmiHisu ship since it's the natural progression of that arc. "EreHisu disrespectful to YmirHisu" such thee dumbest childish argument ever becoz again Ymir is DEAD is Historia not allowed to move on? If EreHisu is disrespectful then wasnt Grisha marrying Carla extremely Disrespectful to Grisha x Dina? No ofc not because neither latter relationship undos or denied or prevented the other, its also how ppl and relationships ACTUALLY work! you have multiple relationshipsin your life and MOVE ON when one doesntwork out! Also how is Historia ending up with a peasant D lister no name character and childhood bully of Historia FINE but EreHisu isnt?
One even made a joke that If Death Note ending was made by isayama Light : pls no, i want to simp for Misa Misa before i die, i want to sniff Misa's neck
I always thought if Eren wanted to keep his friends safe, couldn’t he just manipulated them all with the founder… so what if Mikasa and Levi were immune. The 2 of them wouldn’t have been able to stop him. Since ending defenders always use the argument of “Eren didn’t full rumble for his friends”, my point is he could have easily have full rumbled and kept his friends alive… ugh there is no much potential. And I am with you, I don’t think AOE will happen either. I don’t want that, I want AOE theories to be on my mind… for 10 years at least!
@@jonathanvod6988if he wanted to protect his friends, taking away their ability to turn, which is their trump card would have done that. Then they would have no choice but to stay in eldia while he completes the rumbling.
I don't know why but Im confident that Isayama purposely sabotaged the ending of AOT. The characters are so out of character its comical and nothing makes sense. Nobody could make that many errors and not connect the dots. Make no mistake about it, this was done on purpose.
Eren did see what would happen to Sasha but he chose to ignore it like any other person would. He didn’t realize he would be a slave to fate until the moment Sasha died. He was hoping for a different outcome then what he saw. When hange went to his cell he’s asking for “another way” to save paradis. He doesn’t know what else to do than follow what was shown to him by his future self. In akuma no ko the cage you see forming around him IS NOT THE WALLS. It’s FATE. DESTINY. You could clearly see the lyrics talking about destiny. As for Hanges death I think it was just shit writing killi her off. Eren is a weird character. On one side he’s doing this for his friends and on the other he’s doing it to free eldia. Which out of the two does he really want? We don’t fucking know because the writing is so shit and he contradicts himself. Why would full rumbling ending be bad? Because it sends the wrong message to the audience. THE ONLY AND I MEAN ONLY REASON THEY KILL EREN OFF WAS SO THAT THEY COULD SHOW THE AUDIENCE THAT GENOCIDE WAS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM. You might ask why tf did they let reinar and Annie live? And honestly I’m fucking asking the same question. People need to stop looking at this show like it’s some top tier writing because it’s not and never will be. Now I think the manga ending was shit because it doesn’t solve shit and the execution was terrible. But if they use that to create an AOE then I will take everything back.
Aot is top tier writing tbh. Not the ending but aot is top tier writing for sire in rts or wfp for exmaple. Eren couldn‘t save sasha because he just knows some parts of the future and it‘s a derermined future so it‘s set in stone he can‘t change it. if he for exmaple wants to save sasha he will at the end be the cause she dies, it‘s set in stone that she will die he can‘t change it. But the writting till the end could really have been better
the thing is after AOT everything is over, which means we are all in paradise, a little bit of stuff will happen her and then everything will come to india and eventually finally to the kingdom of paradise
Seriously guys, check out this man's channel ASAP. If you enjoy seeing "ending defender" fallacies being dismantled one after the other, you'll love the work Serenity has been doing!
My brother in Ymir, why do this to yourself? Even if aoe does eventually happen, there's no benefit in actually _expecting_ it to go down that way. No reason to let Isayama potentially crush your heart a second time.
Been seeing some arguement against EH that Eren and Historia were besties Ion know about that. Because YOU DONT ASK A BESTFRIEND WHETHER YOU SHOULD HAVE A CHILD OR NOT
It's not like he even tried. Eren literally put all of them in danger, not knowing if they would survive, killed hange with his own hands even though there was no need, was ok if levi died from the spear. I'd like to see what he would do if they all died before the rumbling
Id honestly would have liked a failed rumbling but eren sticking to his guns aka conviction. Most of the alliance dying aswell for their conviction (maybe have reiner actually not be a jobber in that ending.) Buut sure, lets have the fandom split into ending defender simps and full rumbling simps as if aot was a reality. Seriously thats basically the two sides that exist and you either against or for either side (no middle ground.)
Here's the explanation for the worm(I am calling it hallu chan) [Please real until the end] So first of all there is no explanation for hallu chan's power it is supernatural thing, but isayama has given a reason as to what it is, hallu chan first of all is a parasite like thing that existed since prehistoric times and has always latched on other living things to survive like the tree, ymir, eren etc. There is a misconception that hallu chan gives everyone who touches it titan powers but that is simply incorrect because what hallu chan does is that it manifests a person's innate desire or nature for latching on to others. The reason why the inclusion of hallu chan is so important because it fits right into the theme of nature vs nurture that isayama wants to portray from the start, the thing with nurture is that it always exists and influences us in the form of the world, like the world can force a human to do things that the human may not want to do but the same cannot be said about one's nature, your innate desire may and may not be always achieved because may be it is unrealistic or may be because you don't have the power required to achieve it that is why isayama included hallu chan a being that can manifest a person innate desire no matter how unrealistic it is. In chapter 137 zeke clearly said to armin that the reason titan came into being is because ymir wished for it, of course she didn't wish of it like I want titan power but rather when she was being chased by king's soldiers and the dogs she was facing death, to avoid death in her mind she wished to be something powerful something bigger that can avert her incoming death so when she came in contact hallu chan it manifested her unrealistic desire in the form of a big powerful giant that is later called titan, this isn't the only manifestation of innate desire we see by hallu chan, after the king pillaged ymir's village and murdered her parents, ymir was going through intense trauma and loneliness, her parents got killed, her own her people betrayed her and she was being chased to death, what ymir wanted was a desire for human connection to cope with her loneliness, that why when the king showed her kindness and praised her for her deeds eventho he was the one who caused her all the trauma and loneliness she can't do nothing but latch onto the little bit of human connection, king fritz offered to fill her desire for connection, she knew it was toxic and brought her more misery than anything, and she wanted a outing from it but she doesn't wanted to betray her love for fritz (note- please remember that for ymir love for fritz is the human connection that she got out of fritz to cope her loneliness and want for human connection and not the love of a normal relationship you think) this is what caused her the agony of love as mentioned in ch139 that's why when the spear came to hit king fritz she jumped in front of it as it was the perfect way for her to escape her miserable life without betraying her love for fritz, but her desire of human connection remains which she never truly got and that's what hallu chan manifested in the form of PATHS, a metaphysical space where all her people the eldians are connected to her as in chapter 137 armin clearly stated "every eldian is connected to one another by paths ...it's because founder wanted to be connected because she wanted something from us", a place where she can serve fritz out of love without actually facing the suffering from him she dealt with in the real world, but this didn't solve any of her problems because the paths was just AI generated version of her desire which is soulless and doesn't understand what she really wanted and caused her more harm. Other example of hallu chan manifestion of desire was the hallu chan tree, all the tree surrounding that one were small but it grew taller then the rest because hallu chan manifested it's desire in condition for latching into it even it the end eren's tree which was always small grew to be taller in the final scene in chapter 139, during the rumbling eren final titan was the manifestation of eren's psyche which representated in the form of him being trapped in a bone cage unable to escape with him hunged in the front like puppet.
I really really really, well one I hope you actually see this, but I really think you should watch Turtle Quirk's What if Erwin got the Colossal Titan series.
I disagree that Eren killing his friends is in character. He didn’t get Sasha or Hange killed. There is no confirmation that Eren knew Sasha would die, and I think it likely he didn’t know based on his reaction to it. He didn’t know every single thing that happens in the future beat by beat. As for Hange, yes, Eren controls the titans, but he cannot see the entire map at once and monitor their every movement. Yes, Eren was not above putting his friends at risk, but straight up killing them personally would make just as much or less sense than what we got. The only way this may work in my opinion is if Eren doesn’t directly kill them himself and he makes an effort to stop them from dying/tells them to turn back. Even then it’s still questionable for me. This ending also gives no reasoning as to why Eren wouldn’t just restrain all his friends with the founders power so they can’t interfere. In the original ending he says they are free and doesn’t restrain them only because he is setting them up to kill him, but we wouldn’t have that in this ending.
i really don’t get this logic. he isn’t like purposefully murdering them, THEY chose to come kill HIM “anyone who tries to take my freedom, i wont hesitate to try and take theirs” …? does “anyone” mean “anyone except my friends”..? if he killed them, it would be out of self defense, not like blatant intent.
@@saintitchief I guess my problem is that there is that scene where Eren is talking to zeke or thinking to himself, I forget the exact details, but he says something along the lines of his friends are the most important thing to him in the world. If he kills them, that would prove his freedom is more important than his friends. In both “versions” of the ending Eren still makes two contradictory statements. The other statement being the one you quoted. And there is also the thing I said in the last paragraph of my original comment. Eren can literally restrain them and make them so they can’t move their bodies, which would make killing them pointless when he can just do that. Even if we agreed that he would kill his friends this is still a problem. I would be more for this version of the ending if some sort of work around to that power of the founding titan was added into the story.
@@user-element115 well yeah, Eren has contradicted himself in the past. A contradiction doesn’t automatically = bad. Yeah he allowed them to fight if they wanted to, he let them have the choice, aka freedom. It makes sense that he gave them the opportunity to choose for themselves, even if it was pointless. That makes more sense and is also more climactic. Either way, Eren killing them out of self defense is not in anyway shape or form something out of his character.
@@saintitchief I agree that not all contradictions are bad, but to me, in this case it’s a minor problem at the very least because Eren says two different things meant to be taken as truth and didn’t change much as a character between when he said them. To me it doesn’t read like he’s conflicted and it would be fine if it did. We can write this off as Eren lying to his friends in the original ending but not here. Eren restraining his friends while he stomps the world would most likely be very anticlimactic, you’re right. I don’t want that to happen, but the reason I bring it up is because it’s the most logical thing for Eren to do in that situation because if it came down to giving his friends the freedom to choose and them dying as a result or just restraining them he would do the latter and so would anyone else. Killing them is just another way of taking their freedom depending on how you look at it. That’s all I have to say on this subject so I’ll just end my thoughts here.
@@user-element115 I don’t get how you can say that when they chose to fight. You act like Eren can read their minds, only reason he knew they would is cause he could see the future. And cause Falco RNG a flying titan. There’s so much luck and nonsense that gets them to be able to kill Eren anyways, that he clearly wanted them to win. My thing is, if he is defending himself he is not to blame. They made their choice, if he removes their titans they have no choice.
More like a digestable version of it for consumers, there are a lot of things which I feel they focus on especially cinematic themes which I feel anime is getting popular with nowadays like with Hollywoods Marvel movies which started becoming cinematic for people to gain specific feelings towards, but aot does a better job in character portrayal throughout until season 4 ofc
A full rumbling actually would be incredibly dumb. Isayama conceptually had a good idea for the ending but executed it so poorly in every step of the way that it doesn't even matter lmao
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I used to not care about shippers etc. but those people have been clearly too much gatekeeping Eren from Historia, the girl who actually COMMUNICATED with and UNDERSTOOD him. They keep attacking like mad dogs it's so baffling and exhausting to see them on Twitter, TH-cam, etc. Even if you took the "romance" out of EreHisu, the chemistry is still there, the storyline is there, the relevancy to the whole plot is there. Have you seen Eren headbutting Historia? Punching Historia in his Titan form? Venting out to Historia only to get mothered without any solution? Telling Historia "I actually hated you"? No? Good, then fix that toxic relationship first before hindering the one that actually makes sense. What Eren did to Historia was defending her, frustrated for her when she was in danger and about to be sacrificed, telling her his plan and encouraging her, COMMUNICATING IN FULL SENTENCES and often in serene emotional state. And Historia also did the same to him HENCE THEY TALKED, UNDERSTOOD AND BONDED WITH EACH OTHER. If those people come here with the scarf or 139 to defend themselves, then talk to the wall.
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Erehisu Is supposed to be controversial rev to eremika but that doesn’t mean ere Mika does not have its own argument
@@tx6723the thing is EM has the most fans, therefore more toxicity and obsession
I doubt ANYTHING could be worse than the ending we got. This ending was Toy Story 4 levels of disrespectful.
No, more like rey "skywalker" level of disrespectful
I sill can"t get over the GoT ending
@@ashlynwolff at least I hated less the got one, that's how bad aot's conclusion was, not to mention the extra pages
The additional 8 pages were like a youtube channel making a meme called how it should have ended
The toy story 4 ending was fine
I'm not blind, isayama was clearly showing that attack on titan 's moral story was between kill or being killed, If isayama was consistent with his story, we all know what would have been the outcome, eren clearly had a goal in mind in chapter 131 and that was too destroy the rest of the world in order to protect paradis island from being wiped out, am I missing something?
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All Isayama had to do was keep the story on the course he laid out. That's all he had to do and he was so close to the finish line. I don't believe for a second that he planned this ending beforehand because he would have to be an absolute scumbag to plan an ending that would only destroy everything he built up to that point.
My only problem with the rumbling ending is that this moral is weird. Can't convince me that a story about flattening 99% of the earth's population ain't a little bit weird
With that being said, this twitter post made no sense.
but bUt mUh tHemEs bRuV
@@Liaison_Verequiem theme of my balls.
Nice seeing Saintchief back on AOT
Hush
@@ocaalways no
His hatred for the ending is keeping him alive
full rumbling is the worst ending.... why?
it's literally the ending everyone thought when the ending audio track was released. most of the ending defenders were eren stans who changed their minds because they didn't accept that their favorite work has become a lump of fan service, and they tried to disown everything just to make the ending look better than when it isn't.
What’s worse is that the Ending Audio was supposed to happen in the last chapter of the series, not in 134.
This to me confirms that we were robbed of a Full Rumbling ending.
No ending can be worse than the manga
@@Philthorn aoe happening but it s full of eremika staff..🤣
@@Spantzcatdog is your father Jack the ripper?
@@Spantzcatdog yeah and I'm loving every second of it, gotta a problem with that?
levi when annie kills his whole squad: lets team up
levi when zeke kills erwin to better the world painlessly: youre done
Levi with Annie: 😴
Levi with Zeke: FOOKIN MONKE!11!!
u forgot to add that annie enjoyed it
i swear it is the most inconsistent and disgusting thing, I hate the alliance but I had faith in Levi and in the end it was disappointing; annie should have been eliminated
what do you wanted him to say to annie?
@@husseinmoussa2947 Annie should have been on his kill list.
Ending defenders didn‘t fully read the manga hence why them defending the ending is always trash
I've noticed something with a lot of ending defenders that I've talked to. They often have to completely disregard huge chunks of the story to justify why the ending makes sense yet they seem to not realize that that confirms the ending makes no sense. I once got in a debate with an ending defender who thought Eren throwing a tantrum over not being able to be with Mikasa made sense because......get this........he claimed Eren never got any character development whatsoever. That was his argument. Apparently he forgot about, at least, 50% of the story.
@@teamtx1578 "That‘s the real Eren" 🤓
@@majestvic It's honestly kinda sad how in denial these people are. I just don't see why else they'd be so determined to defend the ending when it actively harms the story that's been told up to that point.
@@teamtx1578 I've noticed ending defenders have a difficult time thinking things through all the way. Y'know like logically, step by step, _all the way through._ It really is bizarre how many gaping contradictions they let slide by actively ignoring so much of the story's pre-established themes, character arcs, and lore.
@@loco_logic Only Ymir knows.
Overall absolutely agree, but there are two points where I would chime in:
1. I think Zeke's conclusion does not work only because of its execution. The way he changed his mind was just way too fast-paced and irrational. But let's say Eren finishes the Rumbling and shows Zeke a world where children can actually be born free (from oppression). That could change his nihilistic views over time.
2. Not a shipper and don't care too much about it, but I do think Eren and Historia share a bond of love. The show highlights their trust and care for each other on multiple occasions and even builds up the pregnancy-plot between them. If anything, those two probably share the deepest bond of understanding and respect in the story. I don't know what qualifies as love to most people, but if "yOu wRappEd a sCarF aRouNd mE" with zero understanding of Eren (which she and the story highlight multiple times) qualifies as love, then I would qualify Eren and Historia's bond as love as well.
I love u zeke and historia idea
I do agree with Zekes idea but not Historia tbh, people may argue whether they want to ship Erenhisu or something( i always felt like they were more like really close besties than actual lovers with feelings towards each other { I also feel like it will piss off YmirHisu fans as the story does imply them having a relationship via the letter Ymir sent and that Hisu would be betraying that trust or something idk} compared to Mikasa who really is in a one sided relationship with Eren in a loving way but does not understand Erens motives and only loves him based on his actions {i.e being courageous or other protective actions who will keep others happy in any way kinda deal} than what he thinks about i.e his goals which really does not develops her character or give any agency to her tbh ) but really some also feel Eren should not have a happy life after all he did with the Rumbling really, it leaves a bitter taste for those fans who feel like some retribution needs to happen for Erens actions especially for those who are on the alliance side really, a overall good conclusion I feel ( i could be wrong here feel free to correct me ofc) should involve all main characters being dead on this war except the people of Paradis and Historias kid being alive in a world which does not face extinction anymore ( civil war argument is also something people bring up but none will fight to the point of the extinction of all life in the Island ofc) which Eren finally does achieve his goals but does face the consequences of his actions in some way like the founding Titans power killing him in some manner or something, overall Paradis being alive is something that will be agreed by all fans even if they side with the alliance
@@Layd36 Eren can survive, start a family with Historia and still be filled with guilt and depression until the day he dies. All these things can happen simultaneously, I don't see a reason why they couldn't. Eren dying would also be a lesser punishment than leaving him alive with guilt until he dies, so if you want some sort of retribution, Isayama should leave him alive.
@@gogeta_lp yep 100 Prozent agreed
@@gogeta_lp idk I'm not sure how they will go about it especially when he does have someone who he raises and spends time with i.e love, something that people feel Eren doesn't deserve after all he's done, i get the regret part where hes made to live with his regrets but really he also gains some form of happiness especially when he does raise a kid here, some fans don't feel he needs that and overall there's a bitter taste for them especially when characters like Gabi or Falco who die with the alliance had resonated with some fans especially with Gabi's development to becoming caring and sympathetic and her dying off doesn't feel right tbh, you could say it's like a cycle of hatred fans developed if Isayama does write such a ending but we already seen the opposite end of the spectrum with Eren dying and the alliance being alive and the world too, idk it does seem kinda hard to reach better conclusions especially when it satisfies both sides of the fandom, I'm not even saying your ending is bad or something I do feel this ending is great but overall it will piss off some fans regardless lol
the most annoying part is, you know if we got the original intended ending(anr) these same ending defenders would be saying its the greatest ending ever "peak fiction". 90% of the arguments they use are based on source material from 139 which wouldn't even be a thing with a different ending.
I think not. If Eren has to kill Mikasa, they will be so pissed of, they only care about Eremika xD
"90% of the arguments they use are based on source from canon material" WAIT THAT'S ILLEGAL!!!
@@Lumigle no he meant most of the people wouldn't care and who gives a fuck about 13-14 year old few simpkasa trash fans
How about you watch who you address.. just because we defend the ending doesn't mean we are all about love and shipping. get that shit outta my fucking anime....that's not what the ending is about...GO REREAD THE STORY 3 MORE TIMES...really process what is being said to you.
@@joshholleran9005 Aaaahhh, the classic "you don't understand the story"
Sure dude, enjoy the ending and defend it whatever you want
If the full rumbling would have happened and all/most of Eren's friends would die I don't even think It would be fair to blame their deaths on Eren. After Eren got the Founding titan he literally told all of them what he was going to do. It was their choice to join their enemies to try and stop Eren and they could have stayed in Paradise and just accepted the situation which they didn't.
Yes absolutly they made their free choice ...even hange knew floch have right but they actually choice to sacrifice eldia
@@cagdasyavan6628 as for Annie, she doesn't give a 💩 about what happens to the outside world, the thought of seeing her father again is the only reason she's with the cringevengers
@@Philthorn Annie coming back in season 4 part 2 was disappointing for me. I don't understand why people like her. Levi's main goal is to kill Zeke while fighting with a person that's killed most of his squad. Can't believe everyone acts like her best friend.
@@jimmyinfamous9664 I understand eren cause even though his "friends" grew up alongside him, they still failed to understand him enough to know that he would reach this point. What kinds of friends are these?
@@Philthorn I mean to be honest, It's quite hard to determine Eren's character and what his plan is in the end. I'm sure everyone thought Eren's plan was to destroy the outside world (because he literally said it many times) but in the end we find out destroying only 80% was his plan all along. I don't see an AOE happening but I hope the ending is changed just a bit in regards of Eren's character because it really makes no sense.
Even though I also really doubt that an AOE would actually happen, it'd be so great if it did.
We can only hope. Tbh, I'd rather bank my optimism on an AOE happening (as unfounded as it may be) as opposed to seeing the dumpster fire we got in the manga in animated form.
@@teamtx1578 Completely agreed man.
Admittedly there's some compelling hints at a full Rumbling AOE at this point, but what breaks it for me personally is that it hinges on the entire manga ending itself being reduced to memories for anime Eren, which just seems way too far fetched to me from the dynamic between the anime and manga as consumer products, and the utter redundancy and unprecedence of something as bold as the entire final half of the original, source material manga, being reduced to a pretty much retconned "what-if" deleted past scenario..
But never in my life have I hoped more to be proven wrong on something as this right here. AOT being saved from that god awful ending is the fucking dream.
@@benefixial Well, even if we don't get an AOE, at least we can look forward to the rest of AOT No Requiem coming out (whenever that happens).
@@teamtx1578 I don't think it will continue so yeah the anime is our only hope left
@@Philthorn They already teased Part 4 a month ago, pretty sure it is.
Saint casually destroying his argument like it's nothing 🤣🤣
These guys are coming with self detonating arguments in the first place😂😂
The man has had years of practice 😅
Saint is back with AOT content and he is spitting the best language in the world: FACTS
15:11 some people pretend that historia was in love with the farmer for the farmer to be the father but with eren no he was just a friend he could never be the father hahahaahhahaha
Bro for me isayama always wanted eren to be the father but scared on how the fans would react because alot waited for mikasa eren love
Eren cares about his friends? So by not preventing Sasha's death, leaving hange to get schorced by the colossal titans and even letting fing levi almost get killed by zeke you're telling me that his friends' safety is his top priority? No, once he got the founder everything changed
"Those who can't sacrifice anything, will never achieve anything, to defeat the monsters, you have to be willing to put aside your own humanity". Remember? (This entire dialogue didn't exist in the manga)
No this is if wanna save your homeland prepare for sacrifice
@@cagdasyavan6628 there's no victory without sacrifice
Levi is not his friend
@@marodonthemorone missing the point
@@marodonthemorone but he was the one whom eren wished to be alive even though he couldn't do anything about it
About the Titan Curse, it was straight up said by Armin after Eren became the Founder how he literally could just take away the Alliance's Shifter powers anytime he wanted. For the sake of ending the curse, why couldn't he have just done that to all the shifters and then they make sure to destroy all the Titan Serum left around? That would've been a super simple and realistic solution to eliminating Titan Shifters and any possibility of another Eldian being turned into a Pure Titan. Another reason why 139 is fucking nonsensical garbage that's inconsistent with the whole story that comes before it.
I've had several issues with not just the Founder's powers but Titan powers in general. If I were writing this story, I'd make a few major changes.
1. I'd make it so the Founder can't take away the power of the shifters because the other Titan shifter powers are basically split parts of the Founder. This would help address the issue you brought up as to why Eren didn't just take away the Alliance's Titan powers. I'd also have this apply to pure Titans as well.
2. I'd change how the Curse of Ymir works by doing away with the 13 year rule and instead making it so that every time a shifter uses their powers, it shaves time off their lifespan. It's already established in canon that using Titan powers takes a toll on the shifter's physical health (such as with the nosebleeds) so I'd explain it by having the shifter's body start deteriorating at a faster rate whenever they use their powers. Also, I'd make it so that if a shifter dies before someone inherits their Titan, that Titan power is lost forever instead of going to a random baby.
3. I wouldn't give the Attack Titan the ability to see the future. That ability just opened up a huge can of worms and I personally feel it hurt the story more than anything. I'd probably just give the Attack Titan super regeneration powers.
The reason Eren didnt do away with the titan shifter ability immediately (if he was able to do that) was because Paradise would still be at risk, so he wanted to destroy everyone outside of Paradise.
Everything from the return from Liberio follows a downwards slope into trashy sludge.
You already described a lot of the big problems and most of the subtle ones, but the main damn issue is that EVERYONE BECAME [R]eta[R]ded!
>Mikasa now is just "ERE!"
>Armin is a sea sponge
>Hange snorts bath salts
>LEVI HATES EREN FOR NO FUCKING REASON
And so on, and so forth...
Each of your critical videos show how much you loved AoT during its peak time and how deeply you appreciated the story's themes and development.
(Apparently there was an interview with Isayama recently (I only saw some bits of his written responses, not sure where the whole thing is and if all the context is correct) in which he said he feels remorse and regret when looking back at the story. While a certain amount of "wish I had done x or y differently" sure is normal for any author, this is bitter to read considering how heavily he dropped the ball).
Odin already made a video about his second point. Saving his friends wasn't his main goal. His main goal was to save Paradis.
Erens main goal was not to save paradis you guys don’t read lmao
@@aarontsafack16 more like you speedread or read with your eyes closed
@@Philthorn how am I wrong when it is literally stated by the main character himself that his main motivation for the rumbling was because he wanted world like armins book. Saving his friends and paradis were his goals but not his main one.
@@aarontsafack16 his main goal was made clear after he got the founder
(Armin's book was just full of fantasies written by people who never experienced hell)
@@aarontsafack16 that was until he got to the ocean, did you guys watch the show with your eyes closed?
Most of the ending defenders are people who are denying themselves. I know it from experience. You want to feel like your investment was worth it. All the times you recommended it other people, ect. It happens a lot with video games. When a game you love slowly starts to get worse most people struggle to recognize the decline in the game. It’s always “the next patch or dlc will make the game great again” just for it to never get as good again.
How ironic, the biggest defenders of this franchise actually are the ones coping...
Dude its a finctional story, there are more important stuff to worry about
Heres something I will never understand about anti EreHisu ppl -aka fake EM shippers pretending to like YmiHisu but really they just want Historia paired off so she doesn't threaten their ship🙄-
How is EreHisu disrespectful to YmiHisu in any way? How does it deny or invalidate Ymir and Historia's implied relationship and how is trust lost? Ymir DIED and told Historia to move on and live a happy life! She also CHOSE to leave and place trust in Historia being safe BECOZ Eren was there to protect her! If anything Historia moving on and being in a relationship with a man age loves= Eren a man who loves her and would do ANYTHING to protect her (even as just a friend mind u) is exactly what Ymir would want and RESPECTS her wishes and YmiHisu ship since it's the natural progression of that arc.
"EreHisu disrespectful to YmirHisu" such thee dumbest childish argument ever becoz again Ymir is DEAD is Historia not allowed to move on? If EreHisu is disrespectful then wasnt Grisha marrying Carla extremely Disrespectful to Grisha x Dina? No ofc not because neither latter relationship undos or denied or prevented the other, its also how ppl and relationships ACTUALLY work! you have multiple relationshipsin your life and MOVE ON when one doesntwork out! Also how is Historia ending up with a peasant D lister no name character and childhood bully of Historia FINE but EreHisu isnt?
Well said
@user-wy8ve5nr2nthis has to be the most stupid argument i have ever heard
you can't tell me it's a coincidence he has that @
One even made a joke that
If Death Note ending was made by isayama
Light : pls no, i want to simp for Misa Misa before i die, i want to sniff Misa's neck
love your videos as back ground noise one of the goats of anime talks please start watching more anime to start having more in depth anime discussions
bros.. we're back
Much love and respect saintitchief please may god open the eyes of the ending supporters on why it's that bad
Can't wait for saints masterpiece of a critique
Great keep the hate coming and no I’m not being sarcastic I mean it.
Let the hate flow, Saint 😩
My dumbass genuinely thought the title was true until I recognized the quotations hald a minute later
Back to it.
did that person forget that titans DO come back in the extra page like cmon bro
We miss you saint
The twitter guy's name fits
To say that full scale rumbling will be worse than the manga without even thinking about the aftermath
Bro you gotta do TATACAW livestreams again
With the dude who made the thread
We back with AOT 😭
Nice pfp
@@dhruvsenju Thanks
Vinland bros
I always thought I couldn't have sex with my female friends, thanks for teaching me saint
You can't if she's not attracted to you.
I always thought if Eren wanted to keep his friends safe, couldn’t he just manipulated them all with the founder… so what if Mikasa and Levi were immune. The 2 of them wouldn’t have been able to stop him. Since ending defenders always use the argument of “Eren didn’t full rumble for his friends”, my point is he could have easily have full rumbled and kept his friends alive… ugh there is no much potential. And I am with you, I don’t think AOE will happen either. I don’t want that, I want AOE theories to be on my mind… for 10 years at least!
He wanted to give them the freedom to chose to fight and maybe win. Manipulating them is out of character for him
Yuh
A true ending would be him completing rumbling and bring Alliance in paths
@@jonathanvod6988if he wanted to protect his friends, taking away their ability to turn, which is their trump card would have done that. Then they would have no choice but to stay in eldia while he completes the rumbling.
I don't know why but Im confident that Isayama purposely sabotaged the ending of AOT. The characters are so out of character its comical and nothing makes sense. Nobody could make that many errors and not connect the dots. Make no mistake about it, this was done on purpose.
It’s nice to see Saint not explode like he used to.
He never exploded tho. He's always been logical and consistent.
He only exploded when he read that trash ending and when he read isayama‘s confusing interview
@@majestvic Also when he was reading AOT No Requiem though that was an explosion of joy.
wdym the explosions were hilarious XD
Character development
God I missed saints old aot vids man this feels alittle nostalgic
Bring back those aot episode reviews
When the finale comes out, you know Saint's gonna pump them out
Eren did see what would happen to Sasha but he chose to ignore it like any other person would. He didn’t realize he would be a slave to fate until the moment Sasha died. He was hoping for a different outcome then what he saw. When hange went to his cell he’s asking for “another way” to save paradis. He doesn’t know what else to do than follow what was shown to him by his future self. In akuma no ko the cage you see forming around him IS NOT THE WALLS. It’s FATE. DESTINY. You could clearly see the lyrics talking about destiny. As for Hanges death I think it was just shit writing killi her off. Eren is a weird character. On one side he’s doing this for his friends and on the other he’s doing it to free eldia. Which out of the two does he really want? We don’t fucking know because the writing is so shit and he contradicts himself. Why would full rumbling ending be bad? Because it sends the wrong message to the audience. THE ONLY AND I MEAN ONLY REASON THEY KILL EREN OFF WAS SO THAT THEY COULD SHOW THE AUDIENCE THAT GENOCIDE WAS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM. You might ask why tf did they let reinar and Annie live? And honestly I’m fucking asking the same question. People need to stop looking at this show like it’s some top tier writing because it’s not and never will be. Now I think the manga ending was shit because it doesn’t solve shit and the execution was terrible. But if they use that to create an AOE then I will take everything back.
Aot is top tier writing tbh. Not the ending but aot is top tier writing for sire in rts or wfp for exmaple.
Eren couldn‘t save sasha because he just knows some parts of the future and it‘s a derermined future so it‘s set in stone he can‘t change it.
if he for exmaple wants to save sasha he will at the end be the cause she dies, it‘s set in stone that she will die he can‘t change it.
But the writting till the end could really have been better
I've always wanted to do a video on the ending when the anime is over and with new information we now know.
I agree with mostly everything except for the part where you said you can be friends as well as have a kid with them to me that’s pretty weird ngl
why?
Babies are not always born out of love.
Biology is biology
the thing is after AOT everything is over, which means we are all in paradise, a little bit of stuff will happen her and then everything will come to india and eventually finally to the kingdom of paradise
17:39 This, 100%
Hey Saint, can I get your thoughts on my recent videos on AoT? I'm still devoting the entire channel on hating AoT's ending.
Seriously guys, check out this man's channel ASAP. If you enjoy seeing "ending defender" fallacies being dismantled one after the other, you'll love the work Serenity has been doing!
saintifchief I would be careful to start working on the aot shti on video because your gonna have to scrap it when the AOE drops
Cope
ppl are still coping untill now ?
Delusional
My brother in Ymir, why do this to yourself? Even if aoe does eventually happen, there's no benefit in actually _expecting_ it to go down that way. No reason to let Isayama potentially crush your heart a second time.
There's no hope brother...
Been seeing some arguement against EH that Eren and Historia were besties Ion know about that. Because YOU DONT ASK A BESTFRIEND WHETHER YOU SHOULD HAVE A CHILD OR NOT
I wished Isayama wrote a better ending. I hate that I get disgusted by the characters. He ruined them.
His twitter handle is really fitting 😂😂
I will happily spam your fall of aot breakdown all across twitter
Can't wait for that new video bruh
@WasteofSperm5 what a man you are.... i want you making twitter threads like these for 10 years at least!
Imagine all those copium he consumed
E only getting Sasha killed doesn’t mean he didn’t still get the majority of his friends protected,
It's not like he even tried. Eren literally put all of them in danger, not knowing if they would survive, killed hange with his own hands even though there was no need, was ok if levi died from the spear. I'd like to see what he would do if they all died before the rumbling
Id honestly would have liked a failed rumbling but eren sticking to his guns aka conviction. Most of the alliance dying aswell for their conviction (maybe have reiner actually not be a jobber in that ending.)
Buut sure, lets have the fandom split into ending defender simps and full rumbling simps as if aot was a reality. Seriously thats basically the two sides that exist and you either against or for either side (no middle ground.)
Bring alliance in paths and complete the rumbling
You are a Goat
Welp, see you in aot s4 part 3 guys
Ok now this is epic
We're back
Here's the explanation for the worm(I am calling it hallu chan) [Please real until the end]
So first of all there is no explanation for hallu chan's power it is supernatural thing, but isayama has given a reason as to what it is, hallu chan first of all is a parasite like thing that existed since prehistoric times and has always latched on other living things to survive like the tree, ymir, eren etc. There is a misconception that hallu chan gives everyone who touches it titan powers but that is simply incorrect because what hallu chan does is that it manifests a person's innate desire or nature for latching on to others.
The reason why the inclusion of hallu chan is so important because it fits right into the theme of nature vs nurture that isayama wants to portray from the start, the thing with nurture is that it always exists and influences us in the form of the world, like the world can force a human to do things that the human may not want to do but the same cannot be said about one's nature, your innate desire may and may not be always achieved because may be it is unrealistic or may be because you don't have the power required to achieve it that is why isayama included hallu chan a being that can manifest a person innate desire no matter how unrealistic it is.
In chapter 137 zeke clearly said to armin that the reason titan came into being is because ymir wished for it, of course she didn't wish of it like I want titan power but rather when she was being chased by king's soldiers and the dogs she was facing death, to avoid death in her mind she wished to be something powerful something bigger that can avert her incoming death so when she came in contact hallu chan it manifested her unrealistic desire in the form of a big powerful giant that is later called titan, this isn't the only manifestation of innate desire we see by hallu chan, after the king pillaged ymir's village and murdered her parents, ymir was going through intense trauma and loneliness, her parents got killed, her own her people betrayed her and she was being chased to death, what ymir wanted was a desire for human connection to cope with her loneliness, that why when the king showed her kindness and praised her for her deeds eventho he was the one who caused her all the trauma and loneliness she can't do nothing but latch onto the little bit of human connection, king fritz offered to fill her desire for connection, she knew it was toxic and brought her more misery than anything, and she wanted a outing from it but she doesn't wanted to betray her love for fritz (note- please remember that for ymir love for fritz is the human connection that she got out of fritz to cope her loneliness and want for human connection and not the love of a normal relationship you think) this is what caused her the agony of love as mentioned in ch139 that's why when the spear came to hit king fritz she jumped in front of it as it was the perfect way for her to escape her miserable life without betraying her love for fritz, but her desire of human connection remains which she never truly got and that's what hallu chan manifested in the form of PATHS, a metaphysical space where all her people the eldians are connected to her as in chapter 137 armin clearly stated "every eldian is connected to one another by paths ...it's because founder wanted to be connected because she wanted something from us", a place where she can serve fritz out of love without actually facing the suffering from him she dealt with in the real world, but this didn't solve any of her problems because the paths was just AI generated version of her desire which is soulless and doesn't understand what she really wanted and caused her more harm.
Other example of hallu chan manifestion of desire was the hallu chan tree, all the tree surrounding that one were small but it grew taller then the rest because hallu chan manifested it's desire in condition for latching into it even it the end eren's tree which was always small grew to be taller in the final scene in chapter 139, during the rumbling eren final titan was the manifestation of eren's psyche which representated in the form of him being trapped in a bone cage unable to escape with him hunged in the front like puppet.
I don't know who's the insane one you for typing all this out or me for reading all of this, only yimir knows
@@_whitewizard well thanks for reading :) I wrote all of it so people can read it for 10 years at least
@@runu4573 No, I don't want that!!
Both would be solid endings.
I really really really, well one I hope you actually see this, but I really think you should watch Turtle Quirk's What if Erwin got the Colossal Titan series.
AoE is still happening
BUCKtitchief
I disagree that Eren killing his friends is in character.
He didn’t get Sasha or Hange killed. There is no confirmation that Eren knew Sasha would die, and I think it likely he didn’t know based on his reaction to it. He didn’t know every single thing that happens in the future beat by beat. As for Hange, yes, Eren controls the titans, but he cannot see the entire map at once and monitor their every movement.
Yes, Eren was not above putting his friends at risk, but straight up killing them personally would make just as much or less sense than what we got.
The only way this may work in my opinion is if Eren doesn’t directly kill them himself and he makes an effort to stop them from dying/tells them to turn back. Even then it’s still questionable for me.
This ending also gives no reasoning as to why Eren wouldn’t just restrain all his friends with the founders power so they can’t interfere. In the original ending he says they are free and doesn’t restrain them only because he is setting them up to kill him, but we wouldn’t have that in this ending.
i really don’t get this logic. he isn’t like purposefully murdering them, THEY chose to come kill HIM
“anyone who tries to take my freedom, i wont hesitate to try and take theirs” …?
does “anyone” mean “anyone except my friends”..?
if he killed them, it would be out of self defense, not like blatant intent.
@@saintitchief I guess my problem is that there is that scene where Eren is talking to zeke or thinking to himself, I forget the exact details, but he says something along the lines of his friends are the most important thing to him in the world. If he kills them, that would prove his freedom is more important than his friends. In both “versions” of the ending Eren still makes two contradictory statements. The other statement being the one you quoted.
And there is also the thing I said in the last paragraph of my original comment. Eren can literally restrain them and make them so they can’t move their bodies, which would make killing them pointless when he can just do that. Even if we agreed that he would kill his friends this is still a problem. I would be more for this version of the ending if some sort of work around to that power of the founding titan was added into the story.
@@user-element115 well yeah, Eren has contradicted himself in the past. A contradiction doesn’t automatically = bad.
Yeah he allowed them to fight if they wanted to, he let them have the choice, aka freedom. It makes sense that he gave them the opportunity to choose for themselves, even if it was pointless. That makes more sense and is also more climactic.
Either way, Eren killing them out of self defense is not in anyway shape or form something out of his character.
@@saintitchief I agree that not all contradictions are bad, but to me, in this case it’s a minor problem at the very least because Eren says two different things meant to be taken as truth and didn’t change much as a character between when he said them. To me it doesn’t read like he’s conflicted and it would be fine if it did. We can write this off as Eren lying to his friends in the original ending but not here.
Eren restraining his friends while he stomps the world would most likely be very anticlimactic, you’re right. I don’t want that to happen, but the reason I bring it up is because it’s the most logical thing for Eren to do in that situation because if it came down to giving his friends the freedom to choose and them dying as a result or just restraining them he would do the latter and so would anyone else. Killing them is just another way of taking their freedom depending on how you look at it. That’s all I have to say on this subject so I’ll just end my thoughts here.
@@user-element115 I don’t get how you can say that when they chose to fight. You act like Eren can read their minds, only reason he knew they would is cause he could see the future. And cause Falco RNG a flying titan. There’s so much luck and nonsense that gets them to be able to kill Eren anyways, that he clearly wanted them to win.
My thing is, if he is defending himself he is not to blame. They made their choice, if he removes their titans they have no choice.
The whole thing is stupid from the get go. Historia didn't need to get pregnant and Eren didn't need to kill his friends to finish the rumbling.
saint aot trailer is out. plz react to it when u get the time
aot was never a masterpiece in fact I felt it was less complex version of evangelion
More like a digestable version of it for consumers, there are a lot of things which I feel they focus on especially cinematic themes which I feel anime is getting popular with nowadays like with Hollywoods Marvel movies which started becoming cinematic for people to gain specific feelings towards, but aot does a better job in character portrayal throughout until season 4 ofc
Well this was Isayamas first serious work, so yeah people were overhyping it.
I also fell for the hype.
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A full rumbling actually would be incredibly dumb. Isayama conceptually had a good idea for the ending but executed it so poorly in every step of the way that it doesn't even matter lmao
Hey saintitchief I am not a ending defender but I have written eren pre final 8 chapters analysis, will you please read and review it for me?? Chronicalist #5096
Do you have a link?
Link.
@@oh2075 don’t have a link but
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