Not even close. India became the stupid customer to wait for the next model to release and buy the older model but by that time old model system updates were reaching their end.
That was in the league of F-15, had similar weapon carrying capacity and range and similar performance, in terms of acceleration, supersonic speed and agility. However, that was more of a private venture for attracting middle-eastern customers who mainly rely on F-15. Sadly, it could not attract much attention and the idea was dropped. As you have mentioned, a lot of Dassult rafale's avionics were tested on that platform.
@@hrushikeshavachat900 that means nothing. For upgrade u will have to go towards OEM otherwise they'll not provide service. like engine which are not made in india
@@hrushikeshavachat900 talk about the current situation.. what part of Rafale was under Make in India?? They were all bought directly French Made.. nothing Indian.. MRO ka kya karun bhai, we are only making some nuts and bolts as spares.. but anything else we have to look towards France.. and France doesnt gives u a free hand like we have on Su30mki.. they are actually built by HAL under license.. we can do whatever to them its our wish.. untill and unless we get 150 more Rafales under Licensed production in India where we make everything in India no point getting a filthy high prices Rafale.. bc 150-200Mn$ ka plane hai.. 😌 iske 10 plane jitni total funding agar sarkaar private sector pe karde to Rafale se Better Avionics banjayegi 2-3 saal mein.. lagao sala Tejas Mk2 pe aur production rate ko 70-80 jets/year karo.. Kuch revolutionary sochna padega Govt and IAF ko.. lekin ye sab ye chindi 1.8% ke defense budget se to nai hoga😂😂 3% minimum we need
There was another, larger, twin engined Mirage, which was supposed to be what the F15 is to the F16, called the Mirage 4000. It's in Warthunder as well.
Bro tejas mk2 will fly upto 2030 check recently offical said and this is not even sure it will take 2035 in just test base, so IAF will be in deep trouble and have to head on mirage, mig 29 and jaguar for 65 yrs of service life
Its more about mentality of ppl i have worked with European medical device manufacturers they have very high quality standards and spend money like nothing when they build something it will set new standards but they dont kust care when they move to new things
India has to upgrade Mirage 2000, Su-30MKI and Mig29 with completely indigenous advanced systems. They can fill an important gap till Tejas MK2 arrives.
India must retired jaguar Mirage Mig 29 buy Tejas mk1a 300 and Tejas mk2 20 ton category 300 unit. Super Sukhoi 300 with su-35 engine and Rafael 200+100 IAF Navvy then waiting for tedbf amca 1&2 another 30 year
Hey, china stole technology of iai Lavi to make j 10. Why don't we atleast take help from them for Tejas mk 2? They are in same category. Israel help may shorten Tejas mk 2 development period
App log baat samaj rahe ho . Yeh log 10 saal keh rahe hai ki mirage service mein rahega.. 10 se 20 saal aaraam se yeh log chala lenge. 60 saal toh mig21 ko ho gye .. iska matlab tejasmk2 abhi 10 saal tak nahi aayega
Bro tejas mk2 production me gaya nhi even mk1a vala ka kuch news nahi aur sab HAL offical jhuute kuch bhi statement dete hai abhi just recently ek ne kaha tejasmk2 2030 ke tak ayeega aur IAF apne saare mig29UPG, mirage 2000, jaguar ko even su 30 ko 65 yrs ka target se service me rakhi gii. Abhi halat kharab hai airforce kii koi samaj nahi araha unko kya kare
@@aer.onavel hnji kush bhi nahi banega aane wale 20-25 saal tak .. yeh toh bas goli dete rehte hai.. hamare pass young brain nahi hai. Jo manufacturer karte hai defense mein waha sab 50 se 70 saal ke buddhe hai.. aur hamare minister defense ke woh bhi sabhi buddhe hai. Bas ek do tarah ke weapon agar buy kar lea toh yeh apne corrupted media mein pura week yehi news dikhate rahenge ki India ab China pak ka dhua tatti nikaal dega . Yeh kar denge woh kar denge.. Pakistan pe bolte hai yeh khud bhi sale corrupt hai
France had offered shifting of the entire production line to India including complete technological transfer which was never accepted by the Indian government . What we have now is Tejas.
@Defence Matrix: Can you make a video on its elder brother? The Super Mirage 4000 upon which Rafale is based upon. Although 4000 never made to production.
That was in 1980 when instead of making 2000 we bought mig 29 upg By 1990's the talks rekindled but by the time we started with process, french had moved ahead of mirage 2000 and then rafale was offered for mmrca
This proves we didn't got better tot with Su30 deal from russia bht we are getting far superior Upgrade support and options in cheaper cost then other jets we bought like Mirage 2000. The main thing is not a single indian weapon or avionics was introduced with rafale. It still flies with complete french avionics.
More Tejas, no more upgrading these old platforms. If we need to, then we must invest in the production infrastructure of Tejas; but no more Life extension programs for these older , however capable, platforms
we must try to update Mirage upto 3000 & 4000 versions like we are doing Super Sukhoi upgrade similar to SM2 upgrade. We should go for independent upgrade & keep it relevant atlest till the time Tejas Mk2 is inducted in good numbers to relace Mirage 2000 which is very unlikely to happen before 2030 in best case. We need to have Mirage in the force for around 8 years untill & unless unlike the Tjas mk1 we see masss production at 30 aircraft per year rate from HAL.
It seems like everyday citizens are now assisting the Indian Air Force in scavenging the globe for aircraft, enthusiastically spotting Mirages that were either retired, rejected, or never even made it to mass production. Instead of preparing for a future where our adversaries are flying fifth-generation stealth fighters, Indians appear satisfied with rummaging through the aviation junkyard. Who needs cutting-edge technology when indians can settle for everyone else's leftovers?
What Can we say?? IAF could have purchased more Tejas Mk1a with little increased cost for mass production and overall better platform but import lobby and lazy officials are not visionary, they just want desperate to fill jets which they can get commission and are cheaper.... Fill the fighter jet gaps to keep up the strength in number.....
@@AtharvVaidya-wz2yb You’re out of luck; you're already too late. This is the era of fifth-generation stealth fighters, and the world is already advancing towards sixth-generation jets. Meanwhile, you've spent the last three decades trying to make the Tejas acceptable to the Indian Air Force. Even if it becomes acceptable now, it's already outdated. You wasted precious time on a glorified museum piece. Why chase progress when you can be perpetually stuck in the past?
@@muhammadishaq561 you forgot that this is era of also Self indigenous Military equipment... If we want to buy Fifth generation than we already have Su 57 from 2018s... We Will make it and you buy it....👀 In today's war All three Politically, Economically and Milatry Strong countries won... You have just a powerful 24 time Crashed economy and Great Politically stability Where no one PM complete their tenure...😂😂 In case of Milatry you already fall from 7 place to 9th place...
@@muhammadishaq561 AMCA is late but we will make it in very large no. As we want and you Still buy it only in 2 squadrons maximum.... Imagine a country who buys J 10C fighters through EMI how many Stealth fighters they induct to their inventory...
@@KetakiMalana-rs5yg I recall you boasting that the Tejas would be produced in large numbers. Yet, after three and a half decades, you've managed to produce only 40, and those without Final Operational Clearance. Impressive track record! By the way, let me remind you, India only bought 36 Rafales and is scavenging through the scrapyard of countries for retired, outdated Mirages and Jaguars. Quite the strategic genius, aren't you?
Dassault have relied on rafale soo mich that they think everyone will buy that . They should have used the electronics and software of rafale on this airframe and could have pitched a stopgap for a sixth or 5th gen fighter apart from rafale or just a cheaper alternative for rafale.
I think indian airforce try to integrate indian weapons and radar with Mirage 2000. If they think it makd sense as we used this for atleast 10 yrs and who know maybe more just like mig21.
It doesn't make sense to upgrade mirage 2000 bcz for 10 years why we should make different scale model of uttam radar and different advance avionics then if we made then it will take almost 6 years atleast so for only 4 years we should not invest high money ,bcs tejas mk2 give better option and in next five years tejas mk2 will start joining iaf , but modern weapon integration is ok❤
The IAF, the fighter jet garbage collector, has once again stumbled upon another Mirage from the scrapyard. It's almost like they're running a vintage aircraft museum. Who needs cutting-edge technology when you can have a fleet of relics? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
These are old fighter jets. What ever modifications you do its will still not competitive. According to current scenario if not 5th generation at least India requires Rafale, typhoon,gripen to sustain. Otherwise balakot happened again.
Idiotic Video 😅 Instead of criticizing GoI in delaying Tejal project, you are criticizing the French Govt. Tum jaise creators k wajah se hi Sarkar purane Mirage le rahi hai.
Old Mirage Pakistan k against v useless hain China to bhoot door ki baat hai, 3 saal ho gy Russia Ukraine pr Air superiority nhi bna paya hai just cuz of dense Air defenses, Russian Air force Indian Air force sa bhoot bhtr hain,.
In short, Dassault aviation became the "Apple" of defence companies 💀. Make them switch to another product instead of upgrading
Not even close. India became the stupid customer to wait for the next model to release and buy the older model but by that time old model system updates were reaching their end.
There was another twin engine model called Mirage 4000. Which was dropped in favour of Rafale. Make video on that too.
That was in the league of F-15, had similar weapon carrying capacity and range and similar performance, in terms of acceleration, supersonic speed and agility. However, that was more of a private venture for attracting middle-eastern customers who mainly rely on F-15. Sadly, it could not attract much attention and the idea was dropped. As you have mentioned, a lot of Dassult rafale's avionics were tested on that platform.
sorry video ni banayegi sir
#supportTeamDefenceMatrix
Yes we need a video on Mirage 4000
Indian Airforce❌ indian majbur force✅
Exactly
Still better than the army
Best suited
"IAF", Indian ANTIQUE-AIRCRAFT Force
Dalit airforce
Tu change karde...😅@@Obitouchiha-n6g
India never takes good decision at right time
Because I India consists of Indians
@@abhilashyadav2274very true statement.
Excellent video. Had to watch it three times, even though I know a little bit about it. Thank you.
Apple Iphone strategy 😂
Whats the guarantee that France wouldn’t do the same with Rafale in 20years after they have their 6th FCAS jets in service? 👀🤷♂️
Make in India clause and MRO in India. This means IAF won't have dependency on the Fremch Airforce or Dassualt.
@@hrushikeshavachat900 that means nothing. For upgrade u will have to go towards OEM otherwise they'll not provide service. like engine which are not made in india
@@hrushikeshavachat900 talk about the current situation.. what part of Rafale was under Make in India?? They were all bought directly French Made.. nothing Indian.. MRO ka kya karun bhai, we are only making some nuts and bolts as spares.. but anything else we have to look towards France.. and France doesnt gives u a free hand like we have on Su30mki.. they are actually built by HAL under license.. we can do whatever to them its our wish.. untill and unless we get 150 more Rafales under Licensed production in India where we make everything in India no point getting a filthy high prices Rafale.. bc 150-200Mn$ ka plane hai.. 😌 iske 10 plane jitni total funding agar sarkaar private sector pe karde to Rafale se Better Avionics banjayegi 2-3 saal mein.. lagao sala Tejas Mk2 pe aur production rate ko 70-80 jets/year karo.. Kuch revolutionary sochna padega Govt and IAF ko.. lekin ye sab ye chindi 1.8% ke defense budget se to nai hoga😂😂 3% minimum we need
Rafales are going to stay for a long time as you cant have an airforce fully made of 5th n 6th gen aircraft. Sane reason why we are making Tejas MK 2.
Isliye Gov Rafale aur nahi lena chah rahi😐par IAF ki import lobby push kar rahi hai,..Tejas Mk2 aur TEDBF jets main Focus rehene chahiye
There was another, larger, twin engined Mirage, which was supposed to be what the F15 is to the F16, called the Mirage 4000.
It's in Warthunder as well.
it would have made a lot of sense to get a mirage 4000 then !
The Super Mirage
That's the reason why Gov shld not Go with😐😐 More rafale jets..
Tejas mk2 shld be pushed further..200+ Tejas Mk2 🔥
200 Tejas mk2 (10)
200 Tejas Mk1A (10)
150 Rafale (7)
100 Su30 (5)
200 AMCA (10)
Total 42 squadrons. So even if we 200 Tejas we need MRFA deal
IAF shud consider replacing the Mirage 2000s with Tejas Mk2 mission computers, avionics and Indian missiles
Bro tejas mk2 will fly upto 2030 check recently offical said and this is not even sure it will take 2035 in just test base, so IAF will be in deep trouble and have to head on mirage, mig 29 and jaguar for 65 yrs of service life
Excellent blog admin, good work
Its more about mentality of ppl i have worked with European medical device manufacturers they have very high quality standards and spend money like nothing when they build something it will set new standards but they dont kust care when they move to new things
IAF has somehow always managed to muddle up any deal they have made ..
India has to upgrade Mirage 2000, Su-30MKI and Mig29 with completely indigenous advanced systems. They can fill an important gap till Tejas MK2 arrives.
kafi din hue defence ki kuch acchhi news nhi mili
Wait . New imports are underway for Navy , Air force and Army.
Govt ko full function me aane do fir milegi
@@charchakavishay1 took them a decade and yet to come in full swing
Mq9 sky guardian aur sea guardian ko news jald milegi
@@abhilashyadav2274 Abdul imf se naya loan mila kya
Dassault should take a lesson from IAI. IAI is still offering upgrades for IAI Kfir, which is essentially a modified Mirage V.
India must retired jaguar Mirage Mig 29 buy Tejas mk1a 300 and Tejas mk2 20 ton category 300 unit. Super Sukhoi 300 with su-35 engine and Rafael 200+100 IAF Navvy then waiting for tedbf amca 1&2 another 30 year
That's why it looked a little like Rafale in the picture you posted.
World Cup se kaun bahar he
Hey, china stole technology of iai Lavi to make j 10. Why don't we atleast take help from them for Tejas mk 2? They are in same category. Israel help may shorten Tejas mk 2 development period
@@noonenoneno And what does it have to do with my comment ? 🤔
@@SpiderWuss69420 I see u usually comes with fact. So I thought u may know!😅
@@noonenoneno Oh ok.
App log baat samaj rahe ho . Yeh log 10 saal keh rahe hai ki mirage service mein rahega.. 10 se 20 saal aaraam se yeh log chala lenge. 60 saal toh mig21 ko ho gye .. iska matlab tejasmk2 abhi 10 saal tak nahi aayega
Bro tejas mk2 production me gaya nhi even mk1a vala ka kuch news nahi aur sab HAL offical jhuute kuch bhi statement dete hai abhi just recently ek ne kaha tejasmk2 2030 ke tak ayeega aur IAF apne saare mig29UPG, mirage 2000, jaguar ko even su 30 ko 65 yrs ka target se service me rakhi gii. Abhi halat kharab hai airforce kii koi samaj nahi araha unko kya kare
@@aer.onavel hnji kush bhi nahi banega aane wale 20-25 saal tak .. yeh toh bas goli dete rehte hai.. hamare pass young brain nahi hai. Jo manufacturer karte hai defense mein waha sab 50 se 70 saal ke buddhe hai.. aur hamare minister defense ke woh bhi sabhi buddhe hai. Bas ek do tarah ke weapon agar buy kar lea toh yeh apne corrupted media mein pura week yehi news dikhate rahenge ki India ab China pak ka dhua tatti nikaal dega . Yeh kar denge woh kar denge.. Pakistan pe bolte hai yeh khud bhi sale corrupt hai
France had offered shifting of the entire production line to India including complete technological transfer which was never accepted by the Indian government . What we have now is Tejas.
Very good video.
@Defence Matrix: Can you make a video on its elder brother? The Super Mirage 4000 upon which Rafale is based upon. Although 4000 never made to production.
Defence Matrix , Sir Atal Bihari Vajpayiji ke waqt , mirage ka complete production line Bharat mey move karna tha uska kya hua , uss par koi video hai
That was in 1980 when instead of making 2000 we bought mig 29 upg
By 1990's the talks rekindled but by the time we started with process, french had moved ahead of mirage 2000 and then rafale was offered for mmrca
It is a fake news. 😊
We need Mirage 4000 video please sir... 🙏🙏🙏
Please make video of awcs killer missile
Can we buy this fighter jet from France airforce.
No
This proves we didn't got better tot with Su30 deal from russia bht we are getting far superior Upgrade support and options in cheaper cost then other jets we bought like Mirage 2000. The main thing is not a single indian weapon or avionics was introduced with rafale. It still flies with complete french avionics.
There was also a twin engine mirage4000
Ek aur suggestion mai deta hu 😊😊😊
Retire karo inko 🤬🤬🤬
Focus on tejas mk2 and conclude the mrfa deal
I wonder if this is really doable or not
Mei bhi yahi soch raha hun 😢
Bhai tumhari profile photo khatarnak hai 😂😂
More Tejas, no more upgrading these old platforms. If we need to, then we must invest in the production infrastructure of Tejas; but no more Life extension programs for these older , however capable, platforms
So We should now keep mum on borders 😂😂😂
Kya hum un Mirages ko le sakte hai France se
Why don't India not adding Tejas while both Pakistan and China are including jf 17 and j 10 their own country made jets
🙏🙏 veer ji
To iaf ne iss variant upgrade ki demand kyu nahi Kari
No money.
we must try to update Mirage upto 3000 & 4000 versions like we are doing Super Sukhoi upgrade similar to SM2 upgrade. We should go for independent upgrade & keep it relevant atlest till the time Tejas Mk2 is inducted in good numbers to relace Mirage 2000 which is very unlikely to happen before 2030 in best case. We need to have Mirage in the force for around 8 years untill & unless unlike the Tjas mk1 we see masss production at 30 aircraft per year rate from HAL.
Mirage 100000
Testbeds are for testing , not for the war
Maybe OEM allow nahi kar rah tha Mirage upgrade by other entities
My personal opinion is to buy 36 more rafales and focus on Tejas Mk2
Nobody cares for your opinion.
Flop idea india need more advance technology jet which fulfill by rafale or typhoon either f15
It seems like everyday citizens are now assisting the Indian Air Force in scavenging the globe for aircraft, enthusiastically spotting Mirages that were either retired, rejected, or never even made it to mass production.
Instead of preparing for a future where our adversaries are flying fifth-generation stealth fighters, Indians appear satisfied with rummaging through the aviation junkyard. Who needs cutting-edge technology when indians can settle for everyone else's leftovers?
What Can we say?? IAF could have purchased more Tejas Mk1a with little increased cost for mass production and overall better platform but import lobby and lazy officials are not visionary, they just want desperate to fill jets which they can get commission and are cheaper.... Fill the fighter jet gaps to keep up the strength in number.....
@@AtharvVaidya-wz2yb You’re out of luck; you're already too late. This is the era of fifth-generation stealth fighters, and the world is already advancing towards sixth-generation jets. Meanwhile, you've spent the last three decades trying to make the Tejas acceptable to the Indian Air Force. Even if it becomes acceptable now, it's already outdated. You wasted precious time on a glorified museum piece. Why chase progress when you can be perpetually stuck in the past?
@@muhammadishaq561 you forgot that this is era of also Self indigenous Military equipment...
If we want to buy Fifth generation than we already have Su 57 from 2018s...
We Will make it and you buy it....👀
In today's war All three Politically, Economically and Milatry Strong countries won...
You have just a powerful 24 time Crashed economy and Great Politically stability Where no one PM complete their tenure...😂😂
In case of Milatry you already fall from 7 place to 9th place...
@@muhammadishaq561 AMCA is late but we will make it in very large no. As we want and you Still buy it only in 2 squadrons maximum....
Imagine a country who buys J 10C fighters through EMI how many Stealth fighters they induct to their inventory...
@@KetakiMalana-rs5yg I recall you boasting that the Tejas would be produced in large numbers. Yet, after three and a half decades, you've managed to produce only 40, and those without Final Operational Clearance. Impressive track record!
By the way, let me remind you, India only bought 36 Rafales and is scavenging through the scrapyard of countries for retired, outdated Mirages and Jaguars. Quite the strategic genius, aren't you?
Jaihind.
Rafael max be relevant till 2060 at the max even by 2040 6th generation fighters from USA and china will be in service
SSDD...in India Defence Policy. Same shit different day.
But India khud se upgrade kyu nahi karta Dassault se permission leke
which year was it?? corruption hua hoga pakka
Dassault Aviation most advanced Mirage was Mirage 4000 completed all parameters but never gone to operation.
Make a video of Mirage-4000
It was failure.
@@abhilashyadav2274 will you say the same for YF-23
@@kaaljayi3160 it was absolute failure .
Dassault have relied on rafale soo mich that they think everyone will buy that . They should have used the electronics and software of rafale on this airframe and could have pitched a stopgap for a sixth or 5th gen fighter apart from rafale or just a cheaper alternative for rafale.
France ye Plane Humka Dede Euro Lele! Bribe Them😅
I think indian airforce try to integrate indian weapons and radar with Mirage 2000. If they think it makd sense as we used this for atleast 10 yrs and who know maybe more just like mig21.
Isn’t Rafael advanced mirage 2000??
Thatd be Advanced Super Mirage 4000. The 2000 brothers.
Why would they bother offering upgrades when they have already built the Rafale? They want everyone to buy that instead...
If Tejas mk1a Tejas MK2 and AMCA were on time we wouldn’t have to use these fighter jets still mid 2030s
India should consider US aircraft since they have better upgradion
IAF is the main culprit and they have not taken proper action on tejas or in mrfa or in 5th generation enjoyed there salary and pensions
Tejas is a better option than mirage now.🙄
Dassault iphone of defence secotos
Dassault aviation faida utha raha hai dusro ko...dudh ka dhulaa ye bhi nahi hai.
Bro they simply make profit this is a simple thing Dassault aviation is not n.g.o what you expect from private company
All companies want profit especially defence companies they are not doing charity.
Tejas is Mirage 3000
NOT Actually 😂
@@KnowledgeEnthusiastokay Miraaj 2950 (more accurately) 😁😁😁
Komedy@@sacisutadaas9272
Mk2 is mirage 4000😅
First one to see dis video
It doesn't make sense to upgrade mirage 2000 bcz for 10 years why we should make different scale model of uttam radar and different advance avionics then if we made then it will take almost 6 years atleast so for only 4 years we should not invest high money ,bcs tejas mk2 give better option and in next five years tejas mk2 will start joining iaf , but modern weapon integration is ok❤
I hope indian ataches learn from this and don't make mk1A nuclear capable ,,,squadron available for African countries....
The IAF, the fighter jet garbage collector, has once again stumbled upon another Mirage from the scrapyard. It's almost like they're running a vintage aircraft museum. Who needs cutting-edge technology when you can have a fleet of relics? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Pakistan Airforce took Italian upgrade
Mirage ke expensive upgrades ke liye Congressi aur unke commission agents jimedaar hai
Collaborate with Israel and upgrade the mirage 2000.
Iaf was not used in 1962 kyu i need a answer on this why iaf not taken any action on 1962 war are they scared or bhang kha baithe the
These are old fighter jets. What ever modifications you do its will still not competitive. According to current scenario if not 5th generation at least India requires Rafale, typhoon,gripen to sustain. Otherwise balakot happened again.
Idiotic Video 😅
Instead of criticizing GoI in delaying Tejal project, you are criticizing the French Govt.
Tum jaise creators k wajah se hi Sarkar purane Mirage le rahi hai.
tejas mk 111 lag rha hai
🇮🇳🇮🇳
Old Mirage Pakistan k against v useless hain China to bhoot door ki baat hai,
3 saal ho gy Russia Ukraine pr Air superiority nhi bna paya hai just cuz of dense Air defenses, Russian Air force Indian Air force sa bhoot bhtr hain,.
These are highly inferior in weaponry avionics and electronic warfare suit wrt pak j10c and chinas j20 n alls
😅😅😅🤦🏽♂️
Isiliye f15 ex is a better option
Who all thinks that IAF is the reason India is weak