Why Can The Aging Mirage 2000 Destroy The Modern F16V In Taiwanese Military Exercises?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2023
- The Taiwanese Air Force conducted military drills this year to improve its combat capabilities. The exercises took place from October 30th to November 3rd and comprised several types of air-to-air, air-to-sea, and air-to-ground engagements. The goal was to assess the Air Force's annual readiness achievements. F16V BLOCK20, Mirage 2000-5, and IDF fighter jets were among the models involved.
Interestingly, four Mirage jets engaged in battle with four F16V fighters in a similar drill last year. Despite losing one Mirage aircraft, the Mirage pilots effectively eliminated all four F-16V jets. Why did the Taiwanese Air Force's air-to-air battle have such results? Is it due to the pilots' abilities, or is the Mirage 2000-5 actually superior against the F16V?
I feel it depends on the pilot also.. experienced French pilots on Mirage 2000 Vs Taiwan pilots on F-16V.. I would bet on the Mirage 2000 winning..
Every single time no matter what planes, it is always what matters most who are flying those planes. Pilots matter the most. Rookie pilots or with low quality teaching pilots in F-22 would always lose to pilots who are excellent with long experience with Mirage 2000 or example like mig-23.
Supply chain and logistics. When the shit hits the fan who's going to be the better bet at supplying what's needed to keep the planes in the air is what it comes down to.
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The AI narration is unnerving. This does not compute.
You didn’t mention electronic warfare systems. The key perhaps stands here. Dassault and Thales are well known to provide among the best electronic warfare systems. In a former red flag training, the F16 simply can’t lock its radar on a mirage 2000D due to ECMs. As in a mock combat between a rafale and a Su35, the Egyptian air force discovered that the rafale who was playing the target against its own Su35, has been able to defeat the Su35 detection and to shoot a mica off bore sight based on ECM data provided by SPECTRA system on the attacking Su35.
The Rafale/Su35 fight is a myth.
It is now clearly established that none of the Su35 were ever delievered to Egypt.
A mirage 2000 N k2 was shot down by bosnian Serbs in 1995 with a simple Strela manpad...
The Mirage 2000 Nk2 was then state of the art in terms of counter measure due to the nuclear deterence mission.
I think Dassaut make great fighters but what you tell is clearly wrong.
Mirage 2000-5 outperforms the F16 C and D in air defense mission because of his superior manoeuvrability and the Mica missiles but as a multirole fighter F16 C and D outperform Mirage 2000-5.
Only the Mirage 2000-9 can compare with F16 block 52+ as a multirole fighter but only UAE operates them.
@@BFOP15 A strela missile can shoot down any plane if its path is unfavorable, without enough time to detect the missile launch and fire flares, for example. Remember, an F117 has been short down by serbs using radar guided missile, although the plane was claimed to be stealth. It doesn't mean the plane was weak, but it shows that all system has a weak point. A strela missile is guided by IR seeker. It doesn't mean anything about ECM. In ECM you've got Electronic, which means it's goal is to avoid radar detection, not IR detection. I'm pretty sure of what a mirage 2000D did to the radar of an F-16. For the mock fight between a Rafale and a Su-35, several sites mentionned it. But you are true, it is uncertain if it ever happened, because Egyptian Su35 didn't leave Russia.
The F117 was caught by a SAM radar with its bomb bay doors open, a point where its stealth characteristics were seriously compromised. A rare case of very bad luck for the Nighthawk.
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Not so sure... initially it was assumed that Egyptian Air Force negotiated a global contract of 20 SU 35 and received a small lot of 4 to 6 SU 35 (mots probably 4), but later canceled the initial global 20 units orders.... just following the first deliveries of Rafale
The sources mention a cancellation of the global contract but have always claimed that Egyptian Air Force had received formerly a few units of SU 35
So, True or not, the afore mentioned SU35 / Rafale exercise has always been based on the fact that Egyptian Air Force had a few SU 35 units, nobody has ever claimed that the 20 SU 35 suddenly evaporated as you seem to suggest
The f16 block 70 is the best f16 in its class but most f16 out there are block 50 and some 60. The mirage 2000 is a good jet but when face block 70 the mirage 2000 will but at a disadvantage do to lack of upgrades. Ill have to say the mirage 2000-5 is a good comparison to block 50 and maybe even the 60 but block 70 not so much
wrong.. it's like saying the rafale can't defeat a F22 or F35 ... ridiculous...
U don't understand what I'm saying.. yes rafale have beat f22 in mock battle in dogfights but when it come to the jet and the jet alone f22 wins hands down is what I'm saying with f16 block 70 and Mirage 2000 France stop with upgrade to Mirage 2000-5 and fund for rafale. Yes pilot to play a big part of winning or losing a fight but what I'm saying is the jet and the jet alone
@@lenkautsugi5747 I'm not talking about this training combat, I'm talking about the fact that both the F22 and the F35 design put all the eggs in the same basket "stealth" thinking the jet would be so invisible that he would basically shoot and go home without even having to fight... You know what it means ? both jets are VERY limited in term of combat because the manufacturer assumed they would not have to fight or almost.. and only brainwashed people like you continue to trust that propaganda
It would really depend on the rules of engagement but I would agree, in normal circumstances the F16 block 70 should be better, the 2000 might be better in a high altitude combat though; The best version of the Mirage 2000 is the 2000-9 with upgraded electronic sold to UAE (soon to be replaced by Rafale jets), what is missing to the Taiwanese Mirage 2000-5 is the capacity to fire MICA IR and the best electronic countermeasure system. However, Taiwanese pilots are really good with that plane while their pilots are still learning about the new block 70 F16 version so this could explain the results of the mock combat.
With Taiwanese at the wheel...
Training scenarios is NOT a way you can assess if a particular plane is better than another plane when looking from the outside. You have zero information about the condition of any particular scenario. In training you can have an A10 kill an F22... that has actually happened!!!!
Mirage jets are quite capable and comparable to the F-16 in general terms. The different capabilities then also depend on the modernization of each craft. The newest F-16 probably are more capable than the newest Mirage 2000, but that is mainly because the Mirage have not received as modern an upgrade as the latest F-16 versions.
In general these crafts are comparable in capabilities.
I had to put on some boots. The shit was getting deep.
Yep...
french plane are just better
It's being upgraded and sent to Ukraine.
Just like French cars.
They always disable the more modern fighter capabilities in these practice fights
Not when testing, it has to be difficult.
@@robandcheryls the new f16 block 70 is much more advanced than the older mirage the f16 would spot him way before the mirage would. They have to make the fight equal the mirage pilots wouldn’t learn anything if they get detected and taken out before they have a chance to engage.
Literally every time. Wtf are you talking about?
What if that's what you are specifically testing 😅
@@robandcheryls they always do it.
The F-16 is a better aircraft. Doesn't mean the Mirage isn't good, or that a Mirage couldn't beat an F-16.
The F16 is not... and also a delta wing will most of the time be more manoeuvrable than any other jets.
@pmtoul4169The Turks? It's amazing they can even fly one.
@@johndoe-cd9vtThat's what makes the F-22 the best delta wing fighter in the world.
@@galvinstanley3235 LOL you obviously don't even know what you are talking about... The F22's delta wing efficiency is very poor, the jet can't even go and maintain itself in supercruise mode... Nothing to compare with the Rafale for example ...
The mirage already shoot down a f16... Greek air force versus turqish air force.