Delta Force Is VERY Different From SEAL Team 6
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2023
- Retired Delta Force operator John McPhee talks with David Hookstead about the differences between Delta Force and SEAL Team 6.
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Need the Sheriff on Shawn Ryan's pod for a solid five hours
I've been saying this...
Shrek doesn't need Shawn. Very admirable of John to give his interviews to less popular channels first.
Yes I would love him on Shawn Ryan's show. It would be a few episodes too.
Mr shrek you do not want to be here n his swamp trying to do anything else besides visiting….with friendly intentions
Guess what 2 weeks John will be on Shawn Ryan Folks I cant wait hes the best !!
I love that he told the truth….he didn’t talk trash he just spoke facts. I have so much respect for John
Seals suck butt for money
Sherek saved my fathers life back in Iraq , thank you sir , as salamu alaykum . ❤
Cheers to you and your father.
Could you maybe tell us the story? I would love to hear it, I'm sure others would too. No pressure but I'm sure it's a great story.
Shrek
Damn, your lady's hand looks like Shrek's! 😂
What the F is Shrek please stop using all these military abv on a public forum. Most people reading this has no idea what your talking about.
He's not talking about the operators here, he is talking about the support arm of Delta. Delta is estimated to be a thousand people strong, but at any one time only 250-300 are operators out of that thousand. Everybody else is support (MI, Signal, aviation etc).
Devgru is still supported by the NAVY or JSOC. Delta can perform complete standalone missions, as there was NO JSOC at the time of Delta's creation. Delta was created three years prior to JSOCs formation. Devgru meanwhile, was started the same year JSOC was and had JSOC support in mind.
I also think out of DOD that Delta is the only unit that can work on US soil. I remember reading that the FBI can clear their actions if there is a terrorist action that the FBI HRT needs help with or cannot handle. Also the FBI HRT can also deploy overseas and are about as good as the other two but lack the total experience that Delta/Devgru got in twenty years of constant fighting. The CIA also has a paramilitary group composed mostly of former JSOC guys that is also as good as anybody.
Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor is one of the most informative books about JSOC and why it was established and how it works and what the individual units are. Though by now it is almost ten years old. Interesting read for those that like this kind of stuff.
Man just about all federal agencies can deploy at this point and receive training in all branches. You dont hear about them unless they mess up like the DEA FAST teams.
@@CrAzYGunman13relentless strike was amazing
Relentless Strike was so good I think I read it four or five times. Even the minute details were fascinating. I think it was mentioned in the book, but Delta had their own in-house covered aviation unit (possibly formed from Seaspray?) who pioneered the technology that ultimately became surveillance drones. They also have their own Intel squadron (G Platoon/Funny Platoon) that is similar in capability to ISA, female operators that are scouted from Big Army to provide additional cover for their singletons in the field, top-notch gunsmiths, riggers, outfitters, et cetera. D-boys are truly the Ubersoldat.
Also, I know Delta deployed on US soil during the Obama years for a "training op" called Power Geyser, which I think took place in the greater DC area. They go where they are needed, embed with whoever, recruit from all branches, and are considered to be the cream of the crop Tier One outfit despite ST6 getting all the hype.
From the books ive read i just figured their biggest difference is that Delta is more of an undercover force while DEVGRU is more commando style, thats not to say Delta doesnt do or have commando style. Another way to look at it is, Delta are like Police detectives that can go undercover and infiltrate a criminal or terrorisr organization while DEVGRU is the SWAT team, both elite and unconventional but also pretty different.
Best Delta story I ever heard: Delta guys sent to rescue some Americans somewhere. When they actually got to the prisoners, one of them imitated Charlie Sheen et al in that cheesy movie and said, "We're Navy SEALs and we're here to rescue you."
Cracks me up every time I think of it.
He never discounted the SEALs...he basically explained the primary difference
Which is incredibly insignificant
Yes, they are NOT formed for the same missions.
When they announced a SEAL team went after Bin Laden, I knew they wanted him dead.
If they had of sent Delta, they were trying to get him alive. Their mission and objectives are similar but not the same.
Also as has been pointed out, Delta might get deployed on US soil for a (Anti) terrorism mission.
A SEAL team will not.
Tim Kennedy served under this guy, and Tim said he was by far the most dangerous, violent, effective soldier & killer he’s ever seen in his life.
What’s his name and where is the full interview
@@ZEFFENWULFJohn McPhee, possibly the Shawn Ryan interview?
The guy who looks like a lovable grandpa? I guess pop pop built different.
@@johnbarker256he's very nice if you meet him, but I'm sure he fucked shit up, lol
John McPhee is a killing machine. Don't allow his average look fool you. An elite BadAss!
This man did some of the craziest singleton missions.
BOTH are OUTSTANDING and both have simply been charged with different task & purpose.
In the past 20 years in GWAT the charge has been the same. That’s why delta has a beef. I would agree. We have too much redundancy.
Shrek is an absolute beast, it'd be amazing to have him on again for another interview, the last one was fantastic.
No, he is an idiot. SEAL TEAM 6 were created because DELTA failed in Operation Eagle Claw on the IRAN RESCUE in 1980. JSOC came later and both DELTA and DEVGRU are under JSOC command and are not stand alone. This clown is making Delta and the military look like clowns.
Shrek is the dude that made me wanna join the Military the only diffrence is my Age and i still wanna make some More Money as a bit of a Failsafe and also to move to a better spot so i dont have to suffer in the shit city i currently live in
Zero!!
@@wiggles7172what lol
@@dhirmer it's what he used to say to the count during exercises on selection. He'd scream ZERO! to reset the count 🤣 So that's what they called him
I supported both 7 SOG and Delta in Afghanistan. Well as far as delta was concerned, we never knew 100% it was them. Only saw 1 guy from the 160th who was our liaison. Only place that needed an ID and badge. Saw a group of guys one night getting on their Blackhawks. Everyone was blacked out. Hard to actually see them but you still could. So i presume it was them along with the comments from the 160th guy, i had no reason to think they were anyone else but delta. 90% of the time, when we went to the compound it was daytime. Compound was empty, told the guys were resting. Place was nice, dress right dress though. 7th had to go through JSOC for just about everything they needed. Delta either had it on their compound or got it in a few hours with a phone call. Highly impressive to even be close to that environment. Besides the 160th guy got me 100 brand new bed sheets for 2 extra laptop batteries. Those sheets were as good as gold bars.
All facts. You can see the no room for bs in his face.
DELTA OWNS THE TITLE: QUIET PROFESSIONALS
That would be the green berets.
Deltas are technically green berets. They’re their tier one element
@@OriginsofEternityno they’re not. A lotta Delta operators never earned the green beret. Delta is also a organization outside the Special Forces Command
@@G4x5da Delta is both under ussocom and jsoc. They’re also called 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta. They recruit from both outside the Special Forces and the army but that doesn’t make them not army or not special forces
@@OriginsofEternity yes the US Army Special Forces (“green berets”) are under Special Forces Command (SFC) and Delta is under JSOC. Two entirely different commands within the same unified combat command (USSOCOM). The fact that Delta is officially is called 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta, doesn’t mean they’re a Special Forces detachment. That name was chosen to hide this unit. Delta is a Special Operations unit that has green beret authorized personnel yes, but they recruit pretty much from anywhere. MOS, unit even branche of service doesn’t matter. They even recruited a prior marine who was a civilian.
Respect for the Sheriff
You can tell by this dudes eyes he doesn’t fk around. Very intense look.
Navy Seal: Charlie Sheen
The Unit: Chuck Norris
Case closed.
Fact😂
Sadly the unit is part of the Army, a very dysfunctional bureaucratic organization.
@@mightywind5888 Every organization is bureaucratic and dysfunctional to one degree or another, especially one that employs a million human beings. Stop trying to feel important by grandstanding and pontificating to strangers online.
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I’m sure There are special operations forces that are so covert that they aren’t even on the government’s books
Fantastic insights from proven singleton warrior.
Very interesting that most people commenting are civilians and saying which unit is better, and which operators are better. None of us have been in a tier one unit. We don’t know shit.
The individulas who HAVE lose credibility with every minute of this sort of talk.
*None of us have been in a tier one unit. We don’t know shit* Correct, we just get stuck with the bills. Every April 15th my wife and I cut a huge check to the government, a solid 40% of our earnings go to Fed, State, and local taxes.. What's it for? $34.8 Trillion dollars in debt, $4 gallon gas, LGBTQ teachers, and run away inflation.
@@Easy-Eight If only participating in legislation wasn't completely out of your reach.....oh wait it's not.
@@xyaeiounn I live in a state with mail in voting. An audit was done and it was discovered thousands of voters are in the grave yard. We are so damned busy funding "tier one" units that the democracy is gone. Think not? Look at the funding for Ukraine. BTW, with nearly $34.8 trillion dollars of debt and adding $1 trillion ever 100 days we're getting close to currency collapse. Then those tier 1 units can fight for funding for a box of ammo.
@@Easy-Eight
It's not these Units fault. Neither should you be mad at them.
It's our government you have a beef with!
Respect our Fighting Men in these Special Ops!
Best difference explained ever imo
Absolute legend
He’s not shitting on dev. They’re just two completely different units, who happen to be extremely proficient at their tasks. Either unit could likely do what the other could from an operational standpoint.
To me Delta operators are the quiet but dangerous guys and be very humble at the same time.
Hell yes! Delta Force is #1. The SOB is right! 💪🏼😎🇺🇸
Yeah, yeah, yeah… but who got the nod for UBL??? DEVGRU
@@Lewmungous If you knew anything, that was Delta Force mission under Bush. Then came Obama, and his JSOC commader was admiral McRaven, a former Seal himself, so he chose Seal Team 6 instead of Delta. With that said, you obviously have little idea of the special missions Delta has conducted.
@@v.german11b Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
@@Lewmungous You are a video game addict. That's all you know, keyboard "operator" warrior... 😆
@@Lewmungous Well some sources actually say that Delta was there, we just don’t know exactly how it went down, only what we were told. But one of Delta/CAG’s mottos is “do the work, and let someone else take credit for it”. Why is it that different SEALs have different accounts of the events that occurred during that operation? I wouldn’t be surprised if neither of them was correct. Nothing against them, but Delta could’ve very much so been there and handled it alongside them and we’d never know. Both are incredible though!
I was told by a former Ranger that Green Berets help build armies and the Rangers along with Delta destroy armies.
No lol, Delta is used for very high stakes missions and tasks. Sometimes the Rangers go with them as a security screen. Other than that CAG does most of its work on its own
Delta doesnt destroy armies, they kill their command structure when they sleep.
The Air Force, Army and Naval aviation destroy armies.
Chill bumps boys. Chill bumps!
I've been saying this years when people tell me the seals are superior Delta for life the true quiet professionals
Seals have a history of blunders compared to other special forces.
This is the difference between operatives and Tier one units, the Seals are professional soldiers. Delta are intelligence operations with force offensive capabilities not dependent on support units.
there is NO equivalent to the unit. they are the very tip of the spear.
I have been fortunate to work with several CAG operators. The most professional, skilled and humble men I have met in life. Straight up killers, believes and patriots.
Absolutely fascinating.
Not to mention about 90% of EVERYONE, Seals included, couldn’t hack DF Training. They’re the absolute best of the absolute best and that’s that
What?! Shut up!
Have you been through selection? Pretty weird comment to make with zero insight.
Preach it brother! I served in the ARMY and I don’t know how many times people would say, seals are better… blah, blah blah. But the truth of it is exactly what you’re saying! They both have their SOP‘s and different ways they work. That being said,CAG is and will be better in my 👀 eyes!
Rangers lead the way !😎😉👍👍👍👍
It’s CAG, not KAG, but you’re right RLTW!
@@bountyup1402 👍👍 Sorry, I was trained to lead, not to read! I changed it😉
The real "Matt" Josh Brolin from Sicario 😅
Brolins character didn't resonate as former SF but then again the atypical attire, flip flops and pants etc idk
Delta top tier unit they recruit devgru and marsoc guys. Their mission is differenet
I just was trying to explain the charter,even though aTask force,or Joint Task, or even Combined jtf, is often utilized
True, but CAG recruits from all branches of the military. That's why i believe they're the true tier 1.
Approx. 75% of Delta started as Rangers.
Ok
Your point?
@@TexasTeaHTX I guess I don't really have one-Just sayin.
@@patrickmahoney1868 I served with an E5 in the 101st who made it through the pipeline in 2015. They truly pull from everywhere.
Who's gonna save them squirrels 🐿️ Son?!!!!!
The navy has now evolved into a multi task unit prioritizing DA direct action along with HR hostage rescue
They also killed a green beret
@@ronniepeels7468 “pay attention??????” This by far the dumbest comment/reply I’ve seen on the military side of TH-cam. Stop watching movies and step outside every now and then. It feels good
@Grunt126 that is just what i would expect from a crayon eating grunt! Apparently you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground
I hope they've stopped bringing frag grenades on hostage rescue missions and murdering Green Berets in their spare time 😖
Still doing tip to butt just like a good seamen.
I remember when they were given the hostage rescue mission. My buddy, Skinny Jim, rang the bell and finished out his retirement as an Intel Mission Planner.
I love this guy
I totally understand but I think this was more so 20 years ago..
He was in up until 2012 I think
Ty ❤ more more more
Why don’t you guys all just get along? We’re on the same side.
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Different ways of working stemming from different mission sets.
Delta has seals, green berets, Marsoc guys in it
And other guys from different MOS, a mechanic, airborne engineer, medic, and even a fire support specialist can try out for Delta, they don't have to be Rangers or Green Berets in order to go through the course.
You should pay very close attention to Shrek, he wasn't just command Sargent major at the unit, he was command Sargent Major at JSOC.
John was not a CSM. He was a Sargent Major. Other than that, you’re on target. He is an incredible resource and a solid human being one on one.
@@FloridaManMatty I've trained with him and had dinner with him , he's legit as they come.
Oh shit 😮
You guys do know it’s spelled sergeant right…
Let me explain, the unit has dudes from everywhere, they come from nowhere, they’re the first ones in there but they were never there.
Spare us your melodramatic bullshit.
Both are ELITE
These men make me so proud. Im a civilian but my father was airborne. I listened closly to him. I see what he is saying its all starts airborne and the seals ask what do you need delta ask nothing from no other branch they have the best if all we can provide for them thank god for these men
As an old sailor from the 70s when the SEAL team was spoken about in whispers and every shipmate knew a shipmate who failed out of BUDS, I was astonished at how public SEALs became. Knowing what I know now, I believe that was and is partly to provide some shade and cover for Delta Force and its children forces. These are the real companies of real Robowarriors where each member of their force is company strong even if cut off and on their own. I don't need to know more, just knowing that they are out there keeping all the really bad guys at bay. I am amazed at how humble, professional level-headed these guys are bad ass beyond all bad ass ever known.
Theres a great YT video of the SOB. What he was doing was insane. The autonomous nature of The Unit and its operators is further demonstrated in interviews on the Shawn Ryan podcasts of Chris Vansant, and Kyle Morgan.
Both incredible interviews. Their demeanor was opposite end of the spectrum since Kyle was like 2 months out of the service, but I could listen to Van Zant talk for days.
Cool cats
@@RL-rx3iu I loved the Vansant interview. Such an unassuming guy that could kill you from half a mile or half a foot away and you’d not be able to do a thing about it lol.
VanSant is from my hometown Dover, Delaware.. I almost ran off the road when he said where he's from on the Shawn Ryan podcast lol
So you can't compare Apples and Oranges.
I was never in the NAVY very minimal military exposure of sixteen years , but I think the NAVY part the counterterrorism corps carry’s their weight efficiently . As some of their gyrenes also have.
No one leaves the unit to be a SEAL.
the only dev guys that have join the unit where guys that werent allowed back tho :)
@suprdez3617 There's only been 1. And again, no one in the unit leaves to be a SEAL.
@@CHRISLP0907 delta takes people from every branch but devgru only takes other seals
@Chiparoo-014 yes, I'm very well aware.
As a civilian it doesnt matter😂 Glad to have both CAG and Seal Team 6 on our side
Different Tools in the tool box.
Each entity performs the tasks it was created for exceptionally well.
Can be adapted for other functions as required and supported or as the individuals are routinely exceptional and more often than completely capable as well as willing and able to go above and beyond to achieve success and victory. 🇺🇸🦅
Whispering Air and Deadly Waters!😎
War is ugly.
The Sheriff of Baghdad!
Very interesting
Charles Beckwiths book is awesome
So interesting
Okay the first Special Forces that I ever knew of as a kid six decades ago were the Green Berets(John Wayne films).
The first time I heard of "Delta" was via the Chuck Norris' movies.
And the first time I heard of the "Seals" was when I was at the Great Lakes Naval Base.
I think all the movies that have been made in reference to the Seals, have elevated to the crèma de la crèma of the Special Ops Forces...doesn't mean they are.
But here's the THING!
It doesn't matter which Special Forces it is.
When they get their asses in a sling they have to call the RANGERS (their 911)😁😁😁
😂 yeah no kidding
Rangers are the best light infantry known to man. They excel at QRF type missions where a larger team is needed to extract a smaller team, but are also wicked good at seizing airfields, kicking in doors, and it's said that their recon regiment is unparalleled, amongst other things. Something to the tune of three quarters of Delta were in Batt before they passed Selection, if that tells you anything.
Special Forces is only ONE thing. Green Berets. All the units you mentioned fall under the umbrella of SOF or Special Operations Force. But SF aka Special Forces only refers to the Green Berets. I know it sounds redundant but that’s just how it is.
@@backpackryan6228Yeah Bro, I was in Air Force Spec Ops. I was assigned to a Green Bêret batallion for a few years back in the mid 90s. I trained with several Green Bêrets who had served in "The Unit" as well but went back to Special Forces after they were done serving in The Unit. Boy were those guys squared away individuals and they knew their sh*t! Very impressed by what I saw and what they taught me during training.
And when the rangers and the rest get in trouble they call the 10th mountain division
Both are bad asses 😁👍🏻
Logics & facts are breaking nsw groupie hearts
People watch too much TV lol
Ehh, the task of getting OBL was completed by DEVGRU though, so the nsw groupies have that to lean on. 😁
@@christopherwalker6056only cause delta turned it down. CAG was the first choice for OBL. Delta turned it down because the CIA gave them no info about the mission/target. DEVGRU was gonna turn it down too for the same reasons but then the CIA told them who it was in the end because they didn’t want to burn their last bridge.
@@AG2W ahh, okay.
@@AG2W Heard it was bc McRaven who was Joint Chief of staff at the time was a seal and that Barrack wanted it advertised bc it was an election year for him. Also if the Unit would have done it, they would be no podcast or books written about it.
Sorry grandpa, but even Delta has augmented personnel, both green suitors and contractors.
Seems like they only lack in foreign experience, and vice versa for Delta in domestic operations...
MAYBE we could finally put this debate to bed! If you know, you know. Just put it this way, DEVGRU guys just coming out of Green Team were deploying with the 75th Ranger Regiment for "Combat Experience". AND Ranger Regiment is proudly the JV Team compared to the Unit... And the Bin Laden Raid was a gift to DEVGRU.
Isn’t there one part of rangers that are considered tier 1…so not all ranger positions are the same
@@superdrew8564 the Ranger Recon Company is JSOC’s Recon Element for target analysis and environmental recon, advanced force observation, etc. What you need to understand is the 75th Ranger Regiment is an entrance into the SOF Community; it is definitely NOT where most of the guys finish. I have served in a couple different SOF units in and outside the USMIL. But the fundamental learned as a Young Ranger Officer; set me up for success 100%.
@@Rocketrich88 nowhere did i say thats where they end up/end their career. but some people for some reason, maybe due to their history, don't consider 75th as SOF.
@@superdrew8564 Alright Dude, I am not going to infer your tone; so don't infer my tone... you might have a dark voice in your head, but that ain't me!
Firstly, are you prior service?
Just read the book Delta Force by Col Beckwith
i was talking to one of my best friends fathers that had a phd and worked inside the pentagon.. i forget the question i was asking but i was def very young, like 20 or around there.. i do remember his response to this day though.. "the United States is extremely good at war".. we're actually the best on the planet at war..
We need the lions to come back
They never left
All Tier 1 Units have a specialty and are all ruthless and calculated killers, but CAG is a different breed man. #IYKYK
Ok. And what feature does Delta have that allows it not to depend on anyone else?: More Specific Missions?, Shorter Missions in Time?, etc……..
Weird that people compare them so much. Yes they do so many of the same jobs but you dont conpare your Phillips head to your flat head screw driver. Different tools for different situations with some being the same.
Which interview is this from?
Isn't he just essentially explaining the rules or standard the two units operate under?
Not sure the question, but if ALL rules, standards, support were precisely equal: can the units do the same thing?
I believe he is truthful, but part of the logic pivots on “stand alone” and “augmented”. The bottom line for me is that the tip of each spear is very sharp. If you gave me 20 members of DEVGRU Gold Team, and 20 members of Delta, I think they would both be incredible! Both require excellent supportive elements in order to burry that tip accurately and deeply. I think that’s why the trained both up for the Bin Ladin Raid. I’ve done tactical emergency medicine and firearms teaching / training with former members of both units and they were beyond belief. If you asked me who I personally was more impressed with, that would be a difficult question, but I’d probably say Delta. ⚕️🇺🇸
The type of person who cares will never be able to give him what he wants
So much heart😂
Is it a requirement to go through MFF in order to be in delta like it is for DEVGRU?
Will the full episode, which I presume this clip came from, be released on this channel?
It's on David's earlier channel called American voices. Just search John Shrek McPhee American voices
@@Mr_Clean Thanks
This dude ran ops out of a cab by himself in Bagdad can you imagine a bad guy getting into his cab
Just so people are aware: he conducted HUNDREDS of solo STRIKE MISSIONS in enemy territory. Lived past retirement.
I have cleared BUILDINGS by myself, its a fuckin NIGHTMARE (but kinda fun) and that was by necessity because my team was 14 personnel.
He did that HUNDREDS OF TIMES in a single NIGHT.
He is NOT what you can think of as standard elite human: he was as close to SUPER human as can be, I mean it LITERALLY.........
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Lol you got that stare people don’t understand what that is.. he’s seen too much.
The Sheriff has seen a lot, for sure, but he's still good to go. Listen to his interviews on the Combat Story podcast, he sounds like a guy you would share a six-pack with in your garage while working on your car. Very level and humble despite doing absolutely bonkers stuff at the highest possible level.
Don’t USAF CCT attach to Delta? Or is it only to Seals?
He’s not wrong. But that’s not how they’ve been applied. I was attached to SBS in Afghanistan - a land-locked country.
Oh boy, this is gonna piss off those pesky 7 year old seal fanboys…
The Navy SEALs were not “created to be a water-side for terrorism” - their name alone proves this false.
SEALs started as Underwater Demolition Team (UDT) and became the Sea, Air, and Land (SEAL) force. They are groups of elite units. SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) is the Navy’s Tier 1 unit, formed only three years after Delta Force. Both Delta and DEVGRU are Special Missions Units (SMUs).
When the power goes out, id pay good money to be a neighbor/buddy of, The Sheriff of Baghdad!😂
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I’m confused who flys the unit to their AO? If they need a HAHO insertion such as Somalia who provides it.
They have their own air wing. Google it.
@@projXpatAbsolutely well put.
The point is Delta can operate without prior organizational planning or approval. They can call on assets on the fly, and have it.
160th
They have their own everything seperate from the branches. They even have their own ice cream vans for spying in other countries. two are parked inside the gate at the compound. they dont roll out in military vehicles. They blend in quick. Nobody l
ooks twice at the white ice cream truck.
Both Delta and Seals are bad ass.
Delta is also the only unit that draws from all branches of the military
That is a rarity.
Because seal training is water training which is the hardest by the way
@@mikefitzpatrick43 only one seal has ever crossed over to Delta and that was after he got out of the Navy and went through the reserve pipeline.
Yeah like that almost never happens most likely army rangers sometimes SF
@@beerleaguetender05incorrect, Kevin holland was the only devgru to go to delta. There have been seals that have moved over to delta, like drew Mullins
Seals need ranger blocking forces
That’s Shrek. The sheriff of Baghdad. Saw a TH-cam interview with him
I’m told by everyone the SEALs are the greatest thing in the world. They all seem to be mostly equally matched I think their attrition rates are pretty similar or at least to close for it to matter. I don’t think he was talking bad about DEVGRU but it does make things clear in the differences. I think the big factor is people who do their time and get out and people who do it as a long term career
The the point is logistics, the navy are the masters of logistics. If Team 6 was separate, they wouldn't have any trouble getting to the target.
That was the situation at one point, not now
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Who dares wins , they taught yous well .
Did he teach. At Annapolis