Thanks for watching everyone. You can watch the full episode with Tom Spooner here th-cam.com/video/NAxQC1NkCxU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-A1pf2rij3VTWNQR Additionally if you want to support the Shawn Ryan Show you can join the community. www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite
The statement of being comfortable in war may be difficult to comprehend, but eminently understandable. Whatever training, discipline, or education one might have, that is the area of comfort because you have been prepared to undertake it. Knowing you are capable, instills confidence. No matter the task. I get it and agree with it.
It's not necessarily due to training or education in warfare, some people are just born for it really. I kinda get it cause I've always felt this sense of calm when getting behind a gun, it's kinda weird
When you're in that state of mind and your training becomes instinctual allowing you to process and your reactions are quicker, fluid, and not slowed or wasted based solely on fear.
My son who went to Afghanistan said that he never felt remorse for killing the enemy cause they’d do the same, kill him. What, however, did affect him was seeing the innocents killed due to collateral damage or killed by the enemy itself. He came back & had real difficulty accepting this to the point we had to get him help due to his nightmares. After the VA kicked in, he finally made peace with what he’d seen, & is now a 1st Sargent in the National Guard. That’s why I say, I’m my hero’s Dad”, cause he made the sacrifice for our family, our country & himself & his family. God bless you 1st Sargent, both your Grandfathers are looking down at you with smiles on their faces & pride in their hearts.
@@mikehunt4797silly comment. A father should be able to be proud of his son and boast about him to a degree, particularly in the correct, relevant arena which a comment on this video would be. His comment might motivate other vets to get help at the VA because unlike what we always hear, here is a success story. It also paints a picture of the suffering vets go through. I’ve heard his sentiment about innocents before from other vets as well, so it’s good it’s being shared so other vets see that their feelings on the matter aren’t uncommon.
@@Joe-hz1nw I don't believe he had ill intent in his comment. He simply said go tell your son exactly what you just typed in the comment. I'm glad he shared it with us, but he needs to tell his son how proud he is of him. SF!
@@anamegoesherewhen they have 20 Deltas and 20 Devgru guys a bunch of SARCS and TACPs posted up and the higher ups decide to just strike it with a expensive missle and not really caring for colleteral at all , it's an afterthought like oh ok big deal , while the delta and devgru guys have a explicit strategy to minimize casualities or take none , civilians and the ones that are on the payroll but are forced because of finaincal issues and get killed for providing for there family , I'm sure the tier 1s are pissed that they couldn't change the outcome with less bloodshed to inncocent civilians
Respect to Tom! As a combat, Vietnam Vet 67 & 68, Tom's interview was difficult in some ways to watch. Much of what he states, my brothers & I discussed when back in the world. It's always there & each man deals with war in their own way. During the interview, I remember faces, hear choppers, preparing for the next op, listening to the Doors in Basecamp, gunfights & many other conditions. Some of my brother's sons were/are SFO. Wish we had Tom's equipment. Starlight weighed a ton. Great interview, Shawn. Again, salute Tom.
His first shoot and he’s thinking not just about the bad guys and what they are doing but also considering his ROE and what’s going on with his squad mates. His brain is multitasking and splitting its focus all the while handing the whole situation like a pro. That is what intense training and preparedness does for you.
@@PixxelBros Amen! Not many really understand the gravity and ACTUAL meaning of when you take oath and say: "....So help me God" (Cause your gonna damn well need it) *consequences*
The unit knows the type they want. A lot of them interviewed seem down to earth, level-headed, and straight shooters. Be safe y'all. Love from Kentucky
My grandfather who was infantry in ww2 always said that taking another mans life never gets away..He also said to us when we were young not to play "war" because there is nothing fun about it..And always used to get us to acourt to play basketball or football..RIP Grandpa
Tom Spooner has that look where he could have been a soldier in any time period. He could have been a knight sitting on a horse and his face would just fit in. Jocko not so much, lol.
Shawn, thank you on a million different levels sir. I, along with many others I’m sure, truly appreciate your personal honesty and openness when it comes to your own experiences, as well as the guests you choose to have on. Much respect to you and thank you for sharing so much 🙏🏻
You should seek God and live for the Bible before you meet him. He really cares for you a lot. You should feel with this experience is like seeking God
Great interview . The “callus” on the heart for me is explained by the question you asked first. You asked first kill, not 5th or 10th. For some reason we are most intrigued by the first time
I think he was trying to say he began to lose his sympathy and empathy. I actually took the opposite approach I would say my sympathy and empathy wasn't very good before. Now I look at life and people with a little more value because I realized how easy it can just be taken from you.
Tom is one of the silent but violent club. Other guys roll in bragging and drinking they got 4 this month and I ask Tom and with a soft voice and smile I got 32. Now let’s go to work men.
Tom nails something I was sharing with some church members who returned from GWOT. We are not created to kill each other and the ptsd is simply your soul trying to process either something you have done, done to you, or seen done that violated your created purpose.
Years ago in an interview, he mentioned the 'humaness factor'. Found it interesting. What he was actually trying to say was alot of the Iraqis he killed were people that just could'nt stand the precense of foreign forces on their lands, as would any country especially the way the war was conducted. He feels the guilt and pain of having downed men who were not enemies of America or her people. Following the war from the day it began to the day it ended, I remember two particular moments in time that would change the course of that brutal war: Abu Ghraib and the scenes next day of furious Iraqis watching released images of the scandal on news channels and the slinging of two dead Iraqis on the front of a U.S humvee, then driving into a town to set an example to the insurgency. Both videos were available at the time. The next day, there were over a 100 attacks on the coalition all across Iraq. This was just before AQI really got heavy, '04 end, beginning '05. The rest is history.
a relationship is only formed through two way conversation. He knows it all but he wants us to tell him and talk to him and that is how you form a relationship with him.
Tom is a true warrior and straight shooter. God knows our hearts, our every action, our thoughts, and to say, "I'm not going to my God with any weak a$$ $h!t" was truly gangster and humble at the same time. Respect brotherman
@@uuuultra actually really great thank you! Been a chef most of my adult life but needed a change, now I'm working outside and loving it! Maine is the way life should be!
I'd love to hear him interview Kevin Owens, he was an Irish ranger and an American green beret, probably the only person to ever do both. Finding a guy who was just a full career Irish ranger to talk would be hard, they play the cards very tight to the vest, definitely top class, they're our countries equivalent of Delta force or SAS. I'm joining the Irish army soon (all going well) so maybe I'll be one eventually 😂 but the odds are slim it is extremely hard
There was a D boy close to my family. That's all I can say. He doesn't say anything. I'm actually amazed they talk to interview hosts or anyone for that matter. Their files are all Redacted. God love them for what they do. What needs to be done. Love to listen. Thank you all for your service. Never Forget.
"That's when it happened. A little bit of soul sickness." It's obvious Tom's spent a lot of time reflecting and probably draws more than many from the mTBI treatment pathway he was thankfully open enough to invest in.
If you guys are interested in exploring more the intersection between a warfighter's faith and his actions, you should sit down with Fr. Matt Foley, priest of the archdiocese of Chicago. Besides having his own interesting life story, he served as a chaplain on several deployments, if I remember correctly he even worked with SF a bit.
Im super black and white. I try not to be. But i am. And when I need to not think and act, thats about only time i make the right choice. Never been in any real combat. I imagine its the after. The thinking. God bless this man. I worked for a conglomerate, of a farm. These are calves mind you. Not people. And originally i thought all the killing I did. Was to..end suffering. And it probably was. But at some point, I think i was just going through the motions. Eventually I was sitting down with them. Telling them how it was gonna be. Trying to help them. Getting into the 700's it became a task. And one man can only do so much i think. Or maybe not. animals aren't people. These things are not comparable. This dude is the man. thank you for your service.
You are right. But a relationship is only formed through two way conversation. He knows it but he wants us to tell him and talk to him and that is how you form a relationship with him
“A King may move a man, a father may claim a son, but remember that even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.” - King Baldwin
Dissassotiation is an extraordinarily difficult part of the job. That why doctors go through at minimum 2 years Ojt. Your humanity hasnt been removed brother. In juxtaposition you have come to recognize just how far removed from Gods design others have become. As a result you have cone full circle, allowing you to remove a small portion of evil from this world. As a consequence you have allowed another spirit the opportunity to come back to the creator of all things. It s a heartbreaking experience for those of us in the first world. We grow up without a warrior ethos. So when we shoehorn ourselves into that experience, and we are mentally and spiritually unprepared for it. We begin to struggle with the ramifications of the choices we have made. You did well brother. Id place my back to yours and count myself fortunate to have your back against mine. The ancient Greeks had a philosophy… out of every 100 soldiers on the battlefield, 80 are there to die. 10 are fighters. The last 10 are the warriors who bring the fighters home. 2 Samuel 23:21
I think he means he became desensitized with taking life. We are thankful for men like you sir! Somebody has to do it when evil exists and you answered the call! Isaiah said to God…here I am, Send me! And you sir…went for us. Thank you!
It's a fearful thing to think people are going to die with the delusion thinking they're going to die and wake up in Heaven. But they never picked up the book and searched it to see whether or not their lives really measure up. The soul is the last thing on people's minds nowadays.
My first deployment I fought because I was paratrooper. My second deployment I fought because I was a Crusader. My next three I fought because I loved fighting and the war.
I hope Tom sees this. Don’t worry about not going to heaven, we come to this world to learn, teach and experience life. I believe that even the “bad guys” go to the afterlife, this is all a learning experience. Everyone should listen to people talk about near death experiences, it’s very interesting
Thanks for watching everyone. You can watch the full episode with Tom Spooner here th-cam.com/video/NAxQC1NkCxU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-A1pf2rij3VTWNQR Additionally if you want to support the Shawn Ryan Show you can join the community. www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite
Definitely got a George Washington civil war look lol
Tom is incredibly self aware. A true sign of intelligence. Respect to this warrior.
really illuminates the levels of self-sacrifice
The statement of being comfortable in war may be difficult to comprehend, but eminently understandable. Whatever training, discipline, or education one might have, that is the area of comfort because you have been prepared to undertake it. Knowing you are capable, instills confidence. No matter the task. I get it and agree with it.
It's not necessarily due to training or education in warfare, some people are just born for it really. I kinda get it cause I've always felt this sense of calm when getting behind a gun, it's kinda weird
I think the book Tribe by Sebastian Junger really outlines this well.
You don’t have to worry about money, women, traffic, shopping, maintaining a household… being deployed in many ways, is simple.
When you're in that state of mind and your training becomes instinctual allowing you to process and your reactions are quicker, fluid, and not slowed or wasted based solely on fear.
The only place in the world/life that you know for an ABSOLUTE fact that you have people that you can rely on.
Him talking about going before god and being honest was one of the most gangster statements I’ve ever heard
He's a warrior, far from a gangster
@@navychief8425 you took the word too literally.
My son who went to Afghanistan said that he never felt remorse for killing the enemy cause they’d do the same, kill him. What, however, did affect him was seeing the innocents killed due to collateral damage or killed by the enemy itself. He came back & had real difficulty accepting this to the point we had to get him help due to his nightmares. After the VA kicked in, he finally made peace with what he’d seen, & is now a 1st Sargent in the National Guard. That’s why I say, I’m my hero’s Dad”, cause he made the sacrifice for our family, our country & himself & his family. God bless you 1st Sargent, both your Grandfathers are looking down at you with smiles on their faces & pride in their hearts.
Tell him that not us. Lol
@@mikehunt4797silly comment. A father should be able to be proud of his son and boast about him to a degree, particularly in the correct, relevant arena which a comment on this video would be.
His comment might motivate other vets to get help at the VA because unlike what we always hear, here is a success story. It also paints a picture of the suffering vets go through. I’ve heard his sentiment about innocents before from other vets as well, so it’s good it’s being shared so other vets see that their feelings on the matter aren’t uncommon.
@@Joe-hz1nw I don't believe he had ill intent in his comment. He simply said go tell your son exactly what you just typed in the comment. I'm glad he shared it with us, but he needs to tell his son how proud he is of him. SF!
kinda like those "innocent deaths" from drone strikes, that we still use too this day
@@anamegoesherewhen they have 20 Deltas and 20 Devgru guys a bunch of SARCS and TACPs posted up and the higher ups decide to just strike it with a expensive missle and not really caring for colleteral at all , it's an afterthought like oh ok big deal , while the delta and devgru guys have a explicit strategy to minimize casualities or take none , civilians and the ones that are on the payroll but are forced because of finaincal issues and get killed for providing for there family , I'm sure the tier 1s are pissed that they couldn't change the outcome with less bloodshed to inncocent civilians
The delta people seem to be some of the most humble and humane
Rumor has it that dude has a grizzly bear rug in his living room but the problem is ,, it's not dead it's just afraid to move
Naw you mistaken him with Chuck Norris 🤣
@@Tim3100-v2wChuck Norris looks under his bed at night to make sure Tom Spooner isnt under there
Wow... This man is an amazing person. His rational is extremely compelling. Thank You for your service!
6:35 oh my god. He said what I have felt for a decade but could never express. He just nailed it for me, thank you sir
Respect to Tom! As a combat, Vietnam Vet 67 & 68, Tom's interview was difficult in some ways to watch. Much of what he states, my brothers & I discussed when back in the world. It's always there & each man deals with war in their own way. During the interview, I remember faces, hear choppers, preparing for the next op, listening to the Doors in Basecamp, gunfights & many other conditions. Some of my brother's sons were/are SFO. Wish we had Tom's equipment. Starlight weighed a ton. Great interview, Shawn. Again, salute Tom.
His first shoot and he’s thinking not just about the bad guys and what they are doing but also considering his ROE and what’s going on with his squad mates. His brain is multitasking and splitting its focus all the while handing the whole situation like a pro. That is what intense training and preparedness does for you.
This testimony is very true. Getting desensitized to killing a human being does take a toll on our souls
a person with a soul doesnt get desensitized to it. Thats coping with the atrocities your country asked of you.
@@PixxelBros Amen!
Not many really understand the gravity and ACTUAL meaning of when you take oath and say: "....So help me God"
(Cause your gonna damn well need it)
*consequences*
It does, especially for those of us never in the military
The unit knows the type they want. A lot of them interviewed seem down to earth, level-headed, and straight shooters. Be safe y'all. Love from Kentucky
Top notch interview. Very well spoken and articulate with what he was trying to convey. Thank you for your service.
This one was deep and our veteran community needed to hear this. Thank you for this.
What a terrific segment, very emotional and full of respect. Thank you, the trauma all soldiers endure, thank you for protecting us.
My grandfather who was infantry in ww2 always said that taking another mans life never gets away..He also said to us when we were young not to play "war" because there is nothing fun about it..And always used to get us to acourt to play basketball or football..RIP Grandpa
Man, this was so deep! I can totally understand what he's saying and I've never been in the military... But he is speaking truth! God bless you sir!
Damn, that was REAL AF! Love this interview. So deep into the mind we are taken in this interview. Amazing stuff.
This has brought such a meaningful perspective of war. Thanks
Tom Spooner has that look where he could have been a soldier in any time period. He could have been a knight sitting on a horse and his face would just fit in. Jocko not so much, lol.
Jocko is the 🐴
@@Askwjwmaoultions 🤣
Shawn, thank you on a million different levels sir. I, along with many others I’m sure, truly appreciate your personal honesty and openness when it comes to your own experiences, as well as the guests you choose to have on.
Much respect to you and thank you for sharing so much 🙏🏻
Much respect to Tom & Ryan- authentic Patriots🇺🇸
This is amazing. Honest talk... thanks fellas
thnks for creating this channel shawn, its helped me a lot since being out
When Tim said, "Nothing." I felt that.
Tim didn't say anything, Tom did.
i didn't. i felt nothing 🤣
Tom's view of taking someone's life is such an interesting perspective compared to past guests of the show.
This man deserves our greatest respect. He truly represents the greatest aspects of our military.
Perfect description of the enemy - "sociopath."
He said 'another sociopath' with a smirk. So he knows there both similar people who he shooting.
He said “Not like oh my god yay, I’m not a sociopath”
Tom love you brother !!! Thank you 🙏 my mindset is just like yours…Warriors always…..Always a warrior
Im 29 years old and everything this man said has absolutely made 100% sense. What a wise and well spoken individual.
You should seek God and live for the Bible before you meet him. He really cares for you a lot. You should feel with this experience is like seeking God
Great interview . The “callus” on the heart for me is explained by the question you asked first. You asked first kill, not 5th or 10th. For some reason we are most intrigued by the first time
Heavy stuff. This channel is brilliant.
Love the show Shawn thank you.
I think he was trying to say he began to lose his sympathy and empathy. I actually took the opposite approach I would say my sympathy and empathy wasn't very good before. Now I look at life and people with a little more value because I realized how easy it can just be taken from you.
Real shit man. For lack of a better term this is among the best "real" talk I've heard (close second to DJ Shipley)
Tom is one of the silent but violent club. Other guys roll in bragging and drinking they got 4 this month and I ask Tom and with a soft voice and smile I got 32. Now let’s go to work men.
Cheers Tom..One of the best to fight in A SQD
Great honest discussion
Thanks for including name and episode number. Good addition
Badass CAG operator legendary.
Whoa that testimony of not showing up to god with some weak ass shit and hiding behind passages is wild. This guy is the real deal holy shit.
Tom nails something I was sharing with some church members who returned from GWOT. We are not created to kill each other and the ptsd is simply your soul trying to process either something you have done, done to you, or seen done that violated your created purpose.
That said, I could not serve in the current US military. We have frequently lost our way since Bosnia.
They’re probably ok without you
Years ago in an interview, he mentioned the 'humaness factor'. Found it interesting. What he was actually trying to say was alot of the Iraqis he killed were people that just could'nt stand the precense of foreign forces on their lands, as would any country especially the way the war was conducted. He feels the guilt and pain of having downed men who were not enemies of America or her people. Following the war from the day it began to the day it ended, I remember two particular moments in time that would change the course of that brutal war: Abu Ghraib and the scenes next day of furious Iraqis watching released images of the scandal on news channels and the slinging of two dead Iraqis on the front of a U.S humvee, then driving into a town to set an example to the insurgency. Both videos were available at the time. The next day, there were over a 100 attacks on the coalition all across Iraq. This was just before AQI really got heavy, '04 end, beginning '05.
The rest is history.
I totally agree and feel the same soo much in my career God Bless 🙏
I got my kill on 😂😂😂😂 the way he said it 😂
The good Lord makes some of us warriors. I'd can 100% relate to feeling comfortable in a fight.
Great interview…just outstanding.
Shawn, please do Jamie Caldwell. Former Unit guy, I bet he’s got load of stories. We need to hear the Italian job story!
I would love to hear you speak with Kevin Owens!
Not sure humanity has a place when dealing with the inhumane?
a relationship is only formed through two way conversation. He knows it all but he wants us to tell him and talk to him and that is how you form a relationship with him.
Shawn, I'm not sure if you have covered it but would like to hear your own story!
Thanks
Tom is a true warrior and straight shooter. God knows our hearts, our every action, our thoughts, and to say, "I'm not going to my God with any weak a$$ $h!t" was truly gangster and humble at the same time. Respect brotherman
Thanks shawn for the 6pm start time, with my new job it works out perfect
You’re welcome!!
how is your new job going?
@@uuuultra actually really great thank you! Been a chef most of my adult life but needed a change, now I'm working outside and loving it! Maine is the way life should be!
Those are some HANDS
This guy not only gets it, he is it!
Glad I get to hear more of Spooner, BCM introduced him to me.
Shawn, you should check out some of the Irish Army Ranger Wing vets, you might find them interesting
I'd love to hear him interview Kevin Owens, he was an Irish ranger and an American green beret, probably the only person to ever do both. Finding a guy who was just a full career Irish ranger to talk would be hard, they play the cards very tight to the vest, definitely top class, they're our countries equivalent of Delta force or SAS.
I'm joining the Irish army soon (all going well) so maybe I'll be one eventually 😂 but the odds are slim it is extremely hard
@@55932hbt bro same
What unit u hoping to go to
Matt and billies warrior brother. Praise God. Thank you.
Super clear, pure professional, not at al, nahh I don't believe you.
if i understood correctly its something different than guilt
He reconciled with killing in battle. King David was pretty rough on Philistines and was "a man after Gods own heart"
Keep Coming Back Tom!!!!!
Tom is one BAD ASS! 👊
Be wary of the quiet guy.....This should be one hell of a podcast.
I like how he was honest about people cherry picking scripture to justify their actions.
God bless our Soldiers!
There was a D boy close to my family. That's all I can say. He doesn't say anything. I'm actually amazed they talk to interview hosts or anyone for that matter. Their files are all Redacted. God love them for what they do. What needs to be done. Love to listen. Thank you all for your service. Never Forget.
😅 that's all you can say
"That's when it happened. A little bit of soul sickness." It's obvious Tom's spent a lot of time reflecting and probably draws more than many from the mTBI treatment pathway he was thankfully open enough to invest in.
If you guys are interested in exploring more the intersection between a warfighter's faith and his actions, you should sit down with Fr. Matt Foley, priest of the archdiocese of Chicago. Besides having his own interesting life story, he served as a chaplain on several deployments, if I remember correctly he even worked with SF a bit.
Real.
Don't forget you save a lot of people too
What he was trying to say, I think, was that finally all of the hard work, blood, sweat, and tears amounted to something....it wasn't all for nothing
I used to be drug free but now I am addicted to SRS!
Im super black and white. I try not to be. But i am. And when I need to not think and act, thats about only time i make the right choice. Never been in any real combat. I imagine its the after. The thinking. God bless this man.
I worked for a conglomerate, of a farm. These are calves mind you. Not people. And originally i thought all the killing I did. Was to..end suffering. And it probably was. But at some point, I think i was just going through the motions. Eventually I was sitting down with them. Telling them how it was gonna be. Trying to help them. Getting into the 700's it became a task. And one man can only do so much i think. Or maybe not. animals aren't people. These things are not comparable. This dude is the man. thank you for your service.
"It turns"
You will not need to tell God anything. Think about it. If he is God, then he is all-knowing. And He will show you your life.
You are right. But a relationship is only formed through two way conversation. He knows it but he wants us to tell him and talk to him and that is how you form a relationship with him
Thank you for your sacrifice sir😢
“They didn’t get much shooting in but we did “ 👍🫶
I love this damn channel
The scary thing is this will be the thought process when the govt is told to take up arms against the citizens.
First Epistles of John (KJV)...
Makes it clear who our enemies are.
me too
Was this during the GWOT?
game of thrones?
@@uuuultra global war on terror
@@uuuultra LMFAO!
My humanity goes away-it’s getting easy to …
Lost is a understatement mate
What is TBI??
Traumatic brain injury
“A King may move a man, a father may claim a son, but remember that even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.” - King Baldwin
Dissassotiation is an extraordinarily difficult part of the job. That why doctors go through at minimum 2 years Ojt. Your humanity hasnt been removed brother. In juxtaposition you have come to recognize just how far removed from Gods design others have become. As a result you have cone full circle, allowing you to remove a small portion of evil from this world. As a consequence you have allowed another spirit the opportunity to come back to the creator of all things. It s a heartbreaking experience for those of us in the first world. We grow up without a warrior ethos. So when we shoehorn ourselves into that experience, and we are mentally and spiritually unprepared for it. We begin to struggle with the ramifications of the choices we have made. You did well brother. Id place my back to yours and count myself fortunate to have your back against mine. The ancient Greeks had a philosophy… out of every 100 soldiers on the battlefield, 80 are there to die. 10 are fighters. The last 10 are the warriors who bring the fighters home. 2 Samuel 23:21
Put your guest's name in the title, description, or first pinned comment please.
Bottom.
It's literally the water mark on the bottom right of the screen genius 😂
@@arighteousname5882 lol
Going to Jesus and saying "Yeah I did that, it needed to be done."
Man thats cold..
I think he means he became desensitized with taking life. We are thankful for men like you sir! Somebody has to do it when evil exists and you answered the call! Isaiah said to God…here I am, Send me! And you sir…went for us. Thank you!
Waiting for Pat macnamara interview.
It's a fearful thing to think people are going to die with the delusion thinking they're going to die and wake up in Heaven. But they never picked up the book and searched it to see whether or not their lives really measure up. The soul is the last thing on people's minds nowadays.
My first deployment I fought because I was paratrooper. My second deployment I fought because I was a Crusader. My next three I fought because I loved fighting and the war.
As always, the content we need to hear especially is young men
I hope Tom sees this. Don’t worry about not going to heaven, we come to this world to learn, teach and experience life. I believe that even the “bad guys” go to the afterlife, this is all a learning experience. Everyone should listen to people talk about near death experiences, it’s very interesting
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