What makes this comparison even funnier is the Thomas family guy parody mix which voices stewies “I might kill you tonight” over diesel in the show when he blames duck for getting the trucks to laugh at him
Whether he's plotting and scheming in the shadows, or just being a bully, Diesel is still much more than just the show's main villain. There's complexities about him that the writers love to explore, especially in the cgi era. He has layers, just like all the other main engines. And it's always interesting to see Tug peel those layers back.
It's kind of strange how Diesel went from being a character that only appeared in one of Wilbert's books to being a well-known character in the TV series.
Diesel is such a great character. He is an excellent villain, and a great antagonist. A character as good as Diesel deserved to appear again, he is the Moriarty to Ducks Sherlock Holmes.
He's great FOR WRITING. By saying 'great', you imply he's lovable and that's not true. He's there to represent a narcissist and narcissists aren't cool especially when their narcissism is intentional like Diesel's.
Despite the fact that Diesel is one of hundreds of class 08s, someone actually managed to use the timeline of his three appearances to narrow him down to one single specific real class 08 that Diesel has to have been. IRL Diesel even made it into preservation. Or at least he's still around today, I believe he actually left preservation to go back into private industry.
th-cam.com/video/wpAcNLNnq-k/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SodorIslandModels that's the main video, but he did two others later, one going into detail on a few aspects of his original alanlysis th-cam.com/video/Gl7QB7BEJVc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SodorIslandModels and another incorporating the confirmation that the engine in the great railway show was in fact Diesel. th-cam.com/video/uSnJKyAMunk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SodorIslandModels Having rewatched the videos, in the first one, there were actually three possible 08s that could be Diesel, but two of them were withdrawn close enough to the date of their appearance in that book that he preferred the third possible 08 as Diesel. But, the great railway show appearance actually helps to confirm that his guess would have to be the correct one out of the three, as that particular 08, while in private ownership at that point, was actually based very close to where Thomas had his accident at the time of that book, so of the three possible 08s, only that one could have reasonable come to help Thomas. As a bit of an interesting thing, Diesel actually had a short stint on the bluebell, helping out with shunting rolling stock there. It's a small world, eh? I strongly recommend watching the full videos, as well as some of his other stuff. He did a similar video tracking down Jinty, plus some other interesting in depth analysis videos.@@brandonmartinez8217
Wow that is amazing! Diesel worked at Hull where my dad comes from originally and is about the same age as my dad🙂 Now he works at Burton on Trent, not that far from me!
@@jackswan3420th-cam.com/video/wpAcNLNnq-k/w-d-xo.html Amazing how they narrowed Diesel's basis from nearly 1000 Class 08s down to just 1 and that the real Diesel visited the Bluebell Railway.
And that's really high praise on Britt and David for expanding the authenticity of what the spectacle of dieselization could make in the name of future railroading motive transportation. Of course not all diesel locomotives in the world are bad as the numeral amount of their steam allies, they both are in means of making good hauling machinery on rails a unit.
@@TheAutisticCapricorn811 I'm ok with how Awdry did it, but it does have a huge sense of irony. I mean the books and the show are different mediums as well as different canons
@@fanofeverything30465 The irony is that there is a amalgamation of how locomotives are in use, they all serve a purpose of wanting to be useful and live what they're made to be built since day one, without any means of turning into scrap and being left for dead or turned into parts for another locomotive in the works assemblance. I'm simply just comparing the life purpose of man-made machinery to the life of us human beings.
I’ll never forget when my three year old brain heard Diesels theme music and Ringo’s Diesel Voice for the first time. Probably the first time I understood how to spot a villain!
Diesels Are Rude Nasty Selfless Arrogant And Evil In The Thomas RWS & Tv Shows But There Are A Few Exceptions The Ones That Change BoCo, Bear, Mavis, Daisy, Rusty And Even Salty.
as a kid I always thought when diesel was "sent away" he was just sent to work on a different part of the island. He was always owned by the north western but just worked in Vicarstown where in the model series "only the diesels work"
I got into a conversation once that Diesel did nothing wrong in his first appearance other than thinking he's better and he just needed to be humbled over time rather than Duck doing it. And what makes it even funnier is that Duck needed to be humbled too. So imagine how it feels when the jackass everyone hates puts you in your place. Diesel started with a villian origin.
A Diesel named Diesel, who would've thought about that, anyways, nice video as always! Diesel was one of my favorite characters when i was a kid, and it still is to this day!
I never understood why Diesel and Diesel 10 were named how they are, and I didn't know why people had that for the two characters for so many years ever since I was a boy and since Thomas and friends was part of my childhood, but then one day I found that Diesel can be used as naming something like he's really strong, like in a Disney movie called "Snow Dogs" how they had a Husky named Diesel, and like in Ice Age dawn of the dinosaurs, how Diego said to Buck "Diesel Weasel" for how Buck was brave and strong to not get eaten by Rudy the Baryonyx, I guess Diesel is named how he is like as for how strong he could be.
I actually like Daisy giving Mavis the bad advise better as they both work on the same branch line and while Daisy was redeemed, the text itself said that she was just happy to have another Desiel to talk to. It also makes sense that Daisy knows nothing about trucks
The reason Diesel gave the advice in the TV adaptation instead of Daisy was because of American influence on the show. The producer of Shining Time Station, the PBS show that served as a vehicle to introduce "Thomas & Friends" to a US audience, saw Daisy as a sexist portrayal of a female character and insisted that her episodes from Series 2 not be shown on American TV, and that she not appear in any Series 3 episodes. So yeah, you can blame us Americans for keeping Daisy out of the adaptation of "Mavis".
Diesel is such an interesting character. Over the eras you can slowly see a shift in how he's written. My only wish is that he could have interacted with Duck a bit more in CGI. Duck would have been perfect for Diesel & The Ducklings. Either way he really is an engine that's full of surprises.
Me too. I was hoping for Diesel to interact with Duck in CGI since Series 17. Pity they didn't get to do it, even make a episode around the two and Paxton since both he and Duck are foils to Diesel or a episode around Diesel causing trouble between Duck and Thomas. (chuckles)
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 You know, I honestly think that it would've been great if they had an episode of Diesel with Spencer since they never show Spencer with the Diesels like all the other engines, and since every engine knows everybody, like how in the CGI season 14 episode "Diesel's special delivery" we see how Rosie knows Diesel, and how Diesel knows her, I think they should show more of that for showing a character we know of meeting someone else we know of too but who we don't know if the character Diesel himself knows about.
30:59 - Diesel’s laugh is so Cartman-esque here. I love it. This who scenario reminds me of the Cartman/Butters storyline in the Casa Bonita episode of South Park. Diesel and Paxton really are the Cartman and Butters of Thomas.
Diesel will always be one of my favorites, and his arc with Duck is one of the reasons that season 2 is my all time favorite. Love him or hate him, he is revolutionary.
Even if the class alegory is stupid and the word "Steamie" is one of the worst things to come out of Thomas & Friends, Diesel ends up being more likeable than Thomas himself. Faint praise, right there.
And Day of the Diesels. Funny how Tug went from “WHAT IS THIS RACIST BULLSH*T BEING IMPLIED” in the Movie ranking vid to now “Oh wow this is actually more clever than we anticipated” XD
Awdry had a noted distaste for diesels and didn't want to include them in his stories prior to writing Duck and the Diesel Engine. It took quite a lot of persuasion from Eric Marriott to change his mind, so when he finally introduced one, he refused to give him a proper name, made him the villain and all but killed him off in the same book he was introduced in. Duck and the Diesel Engine was Wilbert's way of expressing his disdain for diesels. The very next book, The Little Old Engine, introduced Rusty, a friendly diesel, to the series. I think this was most likely because the Talyllyn Railway, which Wilbert was a passionate supporter of, had one and so he didn't want to depict their diesel unfavourably. He used most of the remainder of the series to express support for the steam preservation movement and directly advertised several railways in his books. To me, as a preservation enthusiast, this is what makes the Railway Series special.
Considering how Diesel was depicted in previous episodes (not a good shunter and “knows nothing about trucks”), the record he set in "Emily and the Special Coaches" seems more impressive. The guy tried so hard to overcome his problem with trucks and even set a record, this should be a milestone in his growth. Hell, the concept of this episode even has the potential to be remastered into an episode (or a two-parter) that gives Diesel a proper send-off. In the end, Diesel could be placed in a prominent shunter role in one of the yards. (Also a new coat of paint which makes him a unique part of the railway could be a good concept).
I once imagine a CGI episode story that has Diesel attempting to prevent engines from breaking his record. It's unique that a villain/antagonist set a record in media since it has never been made before since only heroes set records in media so far.
I 100% agree with you. The more manipulative side of Diesel was always the one I preferred. The one that gets into the other engines' heads and pulled the strings behind the scenes. The one who reminds them of what the future held for engines on the mainland. That's the diesel I remember growing up. I've grown to like the CGI Diesel that delves into the mentality of a bully, but I'll always prefer the diesel that serves as the doomsday reminder to the steam engines. A little off topic, but something I've noticed: In a way, if you really think about it, Jackson Storm from Cars 3 has a few similarities to classic Diesel. A "modern" vehicle that taunts the older protagonist, getting into their head and serving as a reminder to them of what is inevitably to come and telling them that the newer is superior. Not only this, but Storm is also one of hundreds of cars just like him, much like Diesel is one of hundreds of engines of the same class. Just food for thought. Amazing analysis as always. Was not expecting this one!
I LOVE Diesel's musical theme of the classic tv seasons, its soooo catchy and it stands out completely ompletely in comparison with all the other themes. A small but fantastic masterpiece!
I'm surprised Diesel's low points in the series were not nearly as low as characters like Skarloey or Henry, and how the coolest looking era of the show essentially did the worst job with his character. For how (intentionally) insignificant as he was in the books, to how complex and sympathetic he was in the CGI seasons, Diesel truly is, "REVOLUTIONARY".
What started as a one-note antagonist would later become foiled for each of the engines. My favorite portrait has got to be fan adoption like Diesel Demons by Richard Jordan as it shows consequence with his action later working on the scrap yard as a punishment and later redeems himself saving Edward from the torches.
A tip of the hat to Jasperpie with his story of "Take my Diesel, please". It explains why Diesel was brought back to Sodor and how he stayed. Diesel screwed up his test run and was basically neglected by the other railway, with only the NWR giving him any sort of job.
Diesel was the OG villain of the franchise, and he became a lot more complex over the years. He may not have a name, but he's certainly full of surprises.
The whole Duck and Diesel comparison the book had also seems to be hinted at in the TV show. The episode "Pop Goes The Diesel" begins with Duck on the turntable, facing away from the camera before slowly being rotated around. Diesel is first introduced in the exact same manner. That HAD to have been deliberate.
While it is rather unfortunate that Diesel being found out and sent away after Close Shave was never shown and is very understandable why, but thankfully, fans had gave us exactly that with the fan made episode, Percy’s Ploy. This episode takes place between Duck being sent to work with Edward and when he had crashed into the Barber Shop, and it shows Diesel meeting his demise, by his own manipulation. Essentially with Duck gone, Diesel had to handle the shunting in the yards, and he frequently caused delays and trouble for the Steam Engines. Percy, having watching him do all this, tries to tell the big engines, but no one believes him, more then likely because of how Percy treated them. It then gets to the point when Diesel tricked Henry and Gordon, he has had enough and gets Diesel back by doing the exact same thing he did to sent Duck away, he tells lies to the trucks, and they get him back. And soon Sir Topham Hat finds out about this along with his other lies, and seeing him as untrustworthy, he sends Diesel away, and tells the big engines to be more trustful of others and newer engines. The Episode then ends with him getting the phone call of Duck’s crash and being on his way. This fan made episode really shows more of Diesel’s playing it cool and manipulated sides, while also showing that his capabilities, will not only come back to fight, but also how his own trick, can be used by others to get him back, plus having Percy be the one to get him back is so fitting, especially since while he was seen with the other engines when Diesel arrived in show, he never said any dialogue, so we never really know of how he felt about Diesel being here. And going by Percy’s playful personality, this seems very fitting for him to do. Definitely a well made fan episode:)
4:52 trucks are waiting in the yard tackling them easel show the world what I could gaily boasts the diesel in and out he creeps about like big black weasel when he pulls the wrong trucks out Pop Goes The Diesel
Imagine if someone create a story around Thomas exposing Diesel's lies during A Close Shave. That would be more natural to show how Thomas and Diesel became foes in classic series fashion.
It’s actually satisfying when Diesel gets exposed, Percy still occasionally working on the main line, and Sir Topham Hatt telling the big engines to learn to trust new comers and not to jump to conclusions without knowing full stories, while they were victims and were understandably upset for being called names
That scene in Springtime For Diesel with the door raising is just so fire 🔥 Because, y'know. I'm excited to see ya cover Diesel! Not one I was expected, but one that's bound to be interesting, given his history
The Great Race still has my favorite Diesel side plot, hid convoluted plan to go to the great railway show never fails to crack a smile on my face and he probably has one of the best songs in the Brenner era.
I enjoy Diesel's side plot in The Great Race too! The first time I saw the scene where a crate fell on him, I was laughing my head off! And I agree that Full of Surprises is one of the best songs from the Brenner-Era.
The side plot brought in a lot of comedic relief, and I was all for it. Loved the song they used in the credits as well - "He's Full of Surprises" is underrated!
Diesel is without a doubt one of my favorite characters, this is easily my 2nd favorite Sodor's Finest you did, right behind the Percy one. He started off as just a one off character in the books, but when the show started making original stories, he appeared frequently and became a recurring character it's clear that when it came to original stories, they saw something in him
What the heck did they do the Patreon logo 😂 Great to see you cover Sodor's Devious! I think out of all the engines "arcs" throughout both live action and CGI, Diesel's might be my favorite. Some would say he became a lot softer in his later years but honestly, I think he went through a pretty natural change if you look back at his whole story.
The Patreon Logo now just looks like a mashup of a boomerang and a wet piece of paper XD. Either way, definitely agree with Diesel’s change and growth throughout the franchise.
Tbh, Paxton's my favourite diesel character in the CGI series. As you said, he sees good in everyone and is kind to those who had even made fun of him. I'm glad the writers had him mature a bit, making him just a little less naive. I like to think that unlike most diesels, Paxton really doesn't mind working alongside steam engines since he always goes to a quarry full of them.
Like Rusty, Salty, Daisy, Mavis and even Philip, I can really believe it’s safe to say that Paxton is a role model for all diesel-kind to come. I really wish that more people like you and me can humanize the diesel a bit more than how most interpret.
I agree that Paxton sees good in everyone, especially Diesel, and I find that really good actually, and yeah in his first appearance in the movie/episode and first episode of season 15 Day of the Diesels, he might have been bad, but then in the first episode of season 16 and movie/episode Blue Mountain Mystery, he got to speak and turned out to be a really good and kind Diesel just like Mavis and Salty, and yeah Paxton may be too gullible and sometimes clueless on falling so easily by Diesel's tricks, but he is a really good friend, and man, if Paxton had someone who's really smart and understands things and how people are like me, I bet he would understand on how it would be hard to change Diesel's behavior with someone and how he could learn to be a good engine like how Sidney, Norman, and Den and Dart did being nice and being really good friends for Thomas and every steam engine on Sodor.
29:30-29:34 Puberty hit his voice box like an uppercut to the chin really hard, he went from a squeaky sounding ferret to a deep voiced badger!! 😂😂😂😅😅😅
My head canon of why diesel wasn’t sent away after his most evil act ever done (trying to scrap Fergus) was because The Other Railway was also having trouble with him which is why they would send him to sodor every chance they got but said to Topham they refuse to have him back and basically said either you buy him or we will scrap him. With Topham being the sentimental guy he is of course bought him.
I have no real evidence to support this except really the fact that he’s mean to both Paxton and Daisy means he’s not just that way towards steam engines. Then again that may be because they like steamies.
That's a good head cannon. It not only explains why the other railway kept throwing him in Topham's direction, but it also explains why he seems to be "stuck" on Sodor as well.
@@clayton_rose Yeah, he conflicts with the good diesels and don't get along with them much due to their friendliness to steam engines whom he dislikes.
16:38 I always like to believe that Diesel on the mainland is asked to take the goods to Sodor by his controller. After Diesel delivers the goods and was about to head home to the mainland, he stops at the station first, and that is where he gives bad advice to Mavis before he heads home to the mainland. That's why Diesel appeared in Mavis instead of Daisy, and plus dew to Rick Siggelkow's criticism on Daisy.
Seeing the teaser at the end Awdry would be so proud that there are those that still love his creation despite what haopened to it over the years. The books and show may be done but the legacy lives on. This video is a great example of that i think.
Pinch me… A SF on the franchise’s main villain, for Halloween, who was introduced in the 13th book? 🐈⬛ This is pretty much perfection, considering we HAD a Friday 13th this month.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who really likes CGI Diesel! He’s such a fun character in the CGI Series and is far more interesting than in the model era. You have episodes where he’s just a bully like No More Mr Nice Engine, Springtime for Diesel, Diesel and the Ducklings, etc, ones where he’s unhelpful and doesn’t care for others like Diesel’s Ghostly Christmas, Disappearing Diesels, etc, and ones where he’s sceaming up plans like Sonny’s Second Chance, A Most Singular Engine, The Great Race, and Day of the Diesels. Diesel is just a fun character that you can write in so many situations, and I think that’s why the writers used him so much, particularly from Season 18-23.
His laughter to me always and forever would sound way better with Michael Brandon voicing him for the US voice over for of every CGI season of the Thomas and friends series.
Series 18 Episode 4 'Disappearing Diesels' has my absolute favourite quote regarding Diesel from Diesel himself: "They don't call me 'Devious Diesel' for nothing!"🙂😂🤣
I think my mind just *popped!* Last year and this year, 3 installments of Sodor’s Finest were uploaded and followed a specific pattern: Toby and Percy * Both are Awdry characters introduced in a Railway Series book published in the early 1950s (Percy in 1950; Toby in 1952) and during the latter half of season 1 * Both aren’t interested in living life in the spotlight * Both are small engines with big personalities * Both have solid voice actors from _Magic Railroad_ (Linda Ballantyne as Percy; Colm Feore as Toby) and the UK dub of season 19-21 & BWBA (Nigel Pilkington as Percy; Rob Rackstraw as Toby) respectively! Hiro and Cranky * Both are the first Non-Awdry characters in their respective eras (Cranky is the first TV-exclusive character; Hiro is the first CGI character) * Both are accompanied by another character specifically introduced to conclude their character arcs (Carly with Cranky; Kenji with Hiro) Duck and Diesel * Both are Awdry characters introduced in a Railway Series book published in the latter half of the 1950s (Duck in 1956; Diesel in 1958) and during the first half of season 2 * Both are based on a class of engine where a large number of them were built and manufactured *(863* 5700 Pannier Tank engines for Duck; *996* Class 08 shunters for Diesel) * Both befriended a character owned by a human villain (Skiff with Duck; Sonny with Diesel)
My one explation to why diesel kept popping up is that he was a privately own engine on a factory on the railway and the times he was sent away, he was sent back to the factory
17:10 I'm also kinda glad they swapped out Diesel for Daisy here, because the original (like a lot of Mavis' RWS stories) reads as a pretty thinly veiled allegorical jab at women in the workplace.
I do think that the moral ambiguity of Duck and the Diesel engine was a excellent move by Awdry. I do think though that fan stories do a better job of showing diesel much later. He should really be a character that appears once and then maybe far in the future…
Diesel is like the complete opposite of James.James is usually involved or helps with a story while Diesel usually gets involved by starting a problem and therefore,hurts/helps the story. *It's perfect*
Diesel was a good character in the show that I remember as a kid. He played a major part as an example to be manipulative in the classics until the flanderization in the HiT-era where he becomes a generic bully but I love the complexity of how interesting he was utilized. Makes sense to put this main antagonist in Soder’s Finest for the tone of Halloween!
Diesel has always been a fun character for me. I don't know why the Fat Controller keeps bringing him back, but he's still entertaining. Also... STAR WARS!
Yeah, he tricked Fergus that he would work somewhere else, and since Diesel didn't want to be told what to do by a steamy, and he sent Fergus to the smelters-yard where Diesel's friends Arry and Bert were gonna scrap Fergus, and Fergus got so terrified that he got lost until Thomas found him and Sir Topham Hatt told Fergus that he didn't want Fergus to work somewhere else and that his job and place was where he belonged.
Well I wasn't expecting you to pick CGI Diesel! I think the issue with CGI Diesel is that you kinda have to pick and choose which events you consider canon. CGI Diesel is sort of like every version of him, a huge muddle of different ideas and interpretations of the charcater. Now you might say "that's inconsistent" - and it is! - but I think variety IS the spice of life. Because there's so many different takes on him in CGI, it gives you a lot more to chew on. In a weird way, I'm actually kinda glad they did it that way, becuase it made the writers use him in WAY funner ways than if they had just stuck to the OG personality. Like hiding in crates, or minipulating Harvey, or helping Percy in Wild Water Recuse. We just got so many different angles on him in CGI. Inconsitiant? Yep! But most, if not all, of his episodes in the CGI era were absoute winners! Also, that Unlikely Fandom premire seems like great fun, Carty said I apparently made the cut! I only wish I could be there.
Diesel is my favorite. I love his model in the model seasons and i love how he's kinda like the coyote from that looney toons cartoon, always making a plan it failing miserably.
I still can’t get over the fact that Diesel has his own page on the tumblr sexyman wiki along with Duck. It kind of feels like he saw Duck’s page on the wiki, got mad, and took it upon himself to make his own page, post it, and then either Duck or Thomas saw it and proceeded to edit it.
In regard to Diesel's arc in the Railway Series, and specifically his contrast to Duck as shunters, I really think the one that said the symbolism best was Dmman33 in his blog review of the related book. In Dmman33s words, the contrast between steam and diesel is "at its most dramatic". While Diesel "may not carry the same level of existential menace as later diesels, by having him impact a character over multiple stories through his own actions, he serves as a more dangerous and frightening villain in his own right...no similar characters exists in the [Railway Series]". The fact he almost didn't return, with a fate left open to interpretation but an impact that carries itself into later stories, highlights the message further. At the other end, Duck, at said point in time, is aware he has a proud heritage to uphold, and City of Truro's visit really meant a lot to him, but he hadn't quite yet learnt to trust the big engines, having also not gotten a strong impression of them when he first arrived, so it was easy for them to take Diesel's side and turn on Duck. His redemption highlighted how he wins over the others with his bravery in the face of a potential disaster. Sure he didn't save himself from crashing altogether, but he prevented a worse accident by slowing down enough to be diverted from the main line, proving himself indeed a Great Westerner. Regards, Samuel Farris.
Diesel is a great character and quite a good villain, and he had wonderful character growth, which I never noticed until now, even springtime for Diesel. Overall, it was really solved.
It is such a shame that CGI Diesel’s redemption arc as penned by Davey Moore was undone by BWBA because it had so much potential going forward. Imagine if he patched up his relationships with Daisy and Paxton. Imagine if he proved his change of heart to Duck and the two became genuine friends. And imagine if he was finally given a proper name and number after proving himself really useful to Sir Topham Hatt.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho A broken clock is right twice day, that doesn't mean every other time the TVS did something with a character was meant to stick
I wouldn't say "undone", sticking to the status quo, yes, but completely undone? One of if not his definitive last appearance was in Sonny's Second Chance, and I think that episode is extremely important to his development, I don't think it's fair to gloss over it I think his arc began to come to a close with Springtime, then ultimately come to an end, or, as conclusive as we were allowed to see before the show was cancelled, with Sonny's Second Chance
The fact he was literally a nothing character in all but one book along with Boco kinda leads me to believe Awdry didn’t want to include Diesels in the series but over time he just kinda accepted they’d have to be included by the time Characters like Bear appeared and even then it really feels like he included them out of obligation and not because he wanted to.
While I did enjoy this video, I do think you're missing a pretty big plot element here. Diesel actually has a seasons-long development arc that starts in earnest with "Disappearing Diesels" and culminates with "Sonny's Second Chance". In "Disappearing Diesels", he has that moment where he can't bring himself to thank Paxton for helping him earlier, but he does manage to smile at him. Then in "Wild Water Rescue", Diesel actually does try to tell Percy he's sorry for tricking him, but he can't quite utter the words. In "Springtime for Diesel", he actually does manage to apologize to Daisy, with the words and everything, although he does make that excuse that other engines are mean to him and he also thinks Daisy is asleep and can't hear him. But these moments show a deliberate effort on his part to atone for his mistakes. You're absolutely right that Daisy not lettin' him off the hook is great, it adds so much! And yes, he does immediately revert back to his old ways the very next episode, but Diesel is a backslider and always has been. It's part and parcel of no one ever giving you the benefit of the doubt. But it all comes to a head in "Sonny's Second Chance", where Diesel takes advantage of a well-meaning Sonny. Diesel is cunning and scheming again in this episode, yes, but the end is the thing that's important. When he is found out, Diesel's genuinely upset that he's ruined his friendship with Sonny and chases after him, only to derail himself and almost run into a ditch, but Sonny - because he's actually a good guy - races back to catch him before he falls in. And Diesel thanks him for it, no hesitation, no hemming and hawwing like before,no concern that the recipient of this gratitude is awake to hear it. And further, he readily goes on to say that he did not deserve to be rescued (as opposed to rationalizing his behavior like he did with Daisy). And Sonny replies that no, he didn't - also not letting him off the hook! - but telling Diesel to consider it a second chance, which no one on Sodor besides Hatt himself has ever really given him. Then, facing the prospect of Sonny being sent away (a fate Diesel knows so well!), Diesel then leaps to admit to Hatt that everything was his fault and Sonny actually saved him. Which Hatt could probably tell just looking at the scene, but damn, ain't that an interesting turn for this guy who's been an anti-social nuisance in your Yard since the day you set eyes on him? And that he's copping to his crimes for a steam engine no less! Like, you make this point that Paxton (a diesel) even starts to give up on Diesel, but if you'd gone a little further down that line, you've got a steam engine ready to give him a second chance to prove himself. The circularity! The symbolism! And it's not just a steam engine, but a guy who has a similarly poor reputation but is determined to prove himself trustworthy and Useful, a guy on Diesel's same social standing (and in direct contrast to Duck whose reputation was impeccable). There's that little moment in the episode when Diesel's bragged to Percy about tricking Sonny and Percy says "I don't understand you". And Diesel, with a self-satisfied little smile, says back "No one does." But maybe Sonny does. Maybe, with Sonny's good influence, Diesel finally would have incentive enough to resist acting on his worse impulses and actually try to change for good. Too bad the show got cancelled after that, lol.
But at least Sonny now knows that Diesel can't be trusted as Thomas warned him which is the point of the episode and other episodes since he only pretended to be his friend to trick him into doing his jobs for him, nothing else and if the show didn't get cancelled, it would have shown Sonny be more careful of Diesel next time he tried to trick him again in another episode of Season 24 or the next season. Becky should just have Diesel admit his devious deed to Sonny with no regret at Ffarquhar instead of what we've got but I digress.
@davidbrennan3967 It's not the point of the episode though. Because this isn't actually an episode about Diesel; it's about Sonny. The point is that Sonny - who himself has been given a second chance to prove his character and values the opportunity to do so - allows Diesel the same grace. And the reward for that is immediate: Hatt rolls up and Diesel takes responsibility for the spilled fish cars, absolving Sonny of any blame. Would Sonny have been a little more discerning around Diesel in the future? Yeah, probably, but Sonny has also learned from this experience that changing for the better is a lot harder if it seems that no one thinks you can or will. "Consider it a second chance" is a statement of faith in Diesel's better character, something he's never been given after having one of his schemes found out, and he's swift about proving its not misplaced.
@@DjangoDurango Perhaps so though remembering the lesson that Diesel can't be trusted and knowing what he's really like to be more careful of his devious antics in future would do just the same as well, especially since unlike him, Diesel always goes back on his second chances by causing trouble with his devious antics, wither being distrusted, provoked or not. Many engines has to find that out the hard way after being tricked by him when they first met him, even Sonny. At least Sonny's the main player while Diesel's the main antagonist to cause trouble and that nothing continues from that. Hope you understand what I'm saying all the same. th-cam.com/video/yGK4_Mq7hmw/w-d-xo.html
Towards the Railway Series, I know they are not marketed as a direct addition to the Railway Series, but you could have maybe even covered the Annuals by Christopher, as they do go with the book. However this is still a grand and perfect in time for Halloween Special of Sodor's Finest
I hate how Diesel went from a sly, villainous, cunning and scheming villain in RWS and the first 3 seasons who occasionally gives me chills to a soft misunderstood bully who's never sent away in season 8- onwards. His original arrogant, intelligent, manipulative nature made him a good villain. He was the perfect foil for Duck in my opinion but the just gave it up to Thomas.
25:38 this is basically one of the reasons why I like day of the diesels. Day of the diesels is basically part two to miss gallon rescue plus all the episodes in between. Have more banters toward diesels building up their emotions which will then lead to the movie Day of the diesels.
When I randomly heard Torvus Bog from my favorite GameCube game in the video during the model segment, I was just giddy since I love Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. I don't know if it was intentional, but I heard the actual song from the game, not the cover you linked. It was interesting hearing your take on Diesel from CGI specifically, as it was something about the character I never thought about. I look forward to seeing who you cover next as well as the Series 8 retrospective when you get around to doing it.
Excellent depth of Diesel’s character and explains why he’s such a vengeful bastard! I really sympathize with Diesel & the other diesels, no one really pays attention to them in spite of their superiority. I’m so glad that the writers gave the diesels, (especially Diesel) more depth into the CGI FORM.
Surprisingly, Diesel is by far my favorite diesel character in the Fandom. He sits right up in my top favorites with Percy, Gordon, Skarloey, and Molly.
Yeah that's kinda what I meant. I think that Cranky was kind of a no-brainer. Like, of COURSE the cgi series would be the better iteration, the model series didn't do much of anything with him to begin with.
Diesel is like that kid who keeps getting suspended from school, but keeps getting extra chances
@T.elegra.m..TheUnluckyTug no
go have some calcium
4:28 I'm absolutely obsessed with how Willie Rushton voiced Diesel, he literally sounds like Stewie Griffin more than anything
That or Mr. Crocker from Fairly Odd Parents.
@@becdoesyoutube OH my god YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
Stewie even had a character arc similar to Diesel
He also sounds like Paul McCartney
What makes this comparison even funnier is the Thomas family guy parody mix which voices stewies “I might kill you tonight” over diesel in the show when he blames duck for getting the trucks to laugh at him
Whether he's plotting and scheming in the shadows, or just being a bully, Diesel is still much more than just the show's main villain. There's complexities about him that the writers love to explore, especially in the cgi era. He has layers, just like all the other main engines. And it's always interesting to see Tug peel those layers back.
I wish they had kept his redemption in Springtime for Diesel.
He's one of my favorites.
The show’s token baddie 😭😭💀💀💀💀
@@fluffyrock2345the baddie gave everyone a chance exempt me WHY ME
lemme get 10 dollars too
It's kind of strange how Diesel went from being a character that only appeared in one of Wilbert's books to being a well-known character in the TV series.
I did not know that
kinda like james.
James 🤝 Diesel
Originally planned to be minor but ended up being staples
Even in all engines go
@@karenfan010and bullstrode
Diesel is such a great character.
He is an excellent villain, and a great antagonist. A character as good as Diesel deserved to appear again, he is the Moriarty to Ducks Sherlock Holmes.
I love how Diesel plays tricks on troublesome trucks make them laugh 😆 at Gordon James and Henry to make them believe it was duck
He's great FOR WRITING. By saying 'great', you imply he's lovable and that's not true. He's there to represent a narcissist and narcissists aren't cool especially when their narcissism is intentional like Diesel's.
@@jake90009Do we really need to nitpick the wording
@@fanofeverything30465 Isn't that what you're doing to me?
@@jake90009 How am I doing it to you
Despite the fact that Diesel is one of hundreds of class 08s, someone actually managed to use the timeline of his three appearances to narrow him down to one single specific real class 08 that Diesel has to have been. IRL Diesel even made it into preservation. Or at least he's still around today, I believe he actually left preservation to go back into private industry.
That’s fascinating! Do you have a link to a video or article about it?
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that's the main video, but he did two others later, one going into detail on a few aspects of his original alanlysis
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and another incorporating the confirmation that the engine in the great railway show was in fact Diesel.
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Having rewatched the videos, in the first one, there were actually three possible 08s that could be Diesel, but two of them were withdrawn close enough to the date of their appearance in that book that he preferred the third possible 08 as Diesel. But, the great railway show appearance actually helps to confirm that his guess would have to be the correct one out of the three, as that particular 08, while in private ownership at that point, was actually based very close to where Thomas had his accident at the time of that book, so of the three possible 08s, only that one could have reasonable come to help Thomas.
As a bit of an interesting thing, Diesel actually had a short stint on the bluebell, helping out with shunting rolling stock there. It's a small world, eh?
I strongly recommend watching the full videos, as well as some of his other stuff. He did a similar video tracking down Jinty, plus some other interesting in depth analysis videos.@@brandonmartinez8217
@@brandonmartinez8217It's a 3-parter on TH-cam called "Who Diesel do you think you are?"
Wow that is amazing! Diesel worked at Hull where my dad comes from originally and is about the same age as my dad🙂 Now he works at Burton on Trent, not that far from me!
@@jackswan3420th-cam.com/video/wpAcNLNnq-k/w-d-xo.html Amazing how they narrowed Diesel's basis from nearly 1000 Class 08s down to just 1 and that the real Diesel visited the Bluebell Railway.
Diesel is unironically one of the best Thomas characters.
“I’m full of suprises!”
-Diesel
how did u comment 18 hours before the vid released
He’s a villain everyone hates him
Hol up how did you comment 18 hours ago?
@@leonsacher3919patreon ?
Diesel has got to be among the most important characters in the franchise. He is one of the characters it couldn’t exist without.
Awdry wanted to make him insignificant, but Britt and David made him super memorable
And that's really high praise on Britt and David for expanding the authenticity of what the spectacle of dieselization could make in the name of future railroading motive transportation. Of course not all diesel locomotives in the world are bad as the numeral amount of their steam allies, they both are in means of making good hauling machinery on rails a unit.
@@TheAutisticCapricorn811 I'm ok with how Awdry did it, but it does have a huge sense of irony. I mean the books and the show are different mediums as well as different canons
@@TheAutisticCapricorn811What's the irony
@@fanofeverything30465 The irony is that there is a amalgamation of how locomotives are in use, they all serve a purpose of wanting to be useful and live what they're made to be built since day one, without any means of turning into scrap and being left for dead or turned into parts for another locomotive in the works assemblance. I'm simply just comparing the life purpose of man-made machinery to the life of us human beings.
@@jjb1908 What's the irony
I’ll never forget when my three year old brain heard Diesels theme music and Ringo’s Diesel Voice for the first time. Probably the first time I understood how to spot a villain!
🛢
Diesel is like Dick Dastardly. Cunning, wicked, and troublesome, but his plans often go awry due to his own arrogance.
AGREED!!!!!
Diesel: Drat and double drat!
Yeah, he is like Dick Dastardly!
TRUE
Agreed!
Thomas in DOTD: “diesels can be devious”
Salty, BoCo, mavis, daisy, derek, rusty, etc: “are we a joke to you?”
Don't forget about Bear in the Railway Series books
Thomas didn't ment all the Diesels being bad, some of them are friends which are Salty, Mavis, Boco, Daisy, Rusty, and even Paxton and Sidney too.
"Diesels CAN be devious" not "MUST be devious"
@@Waskotorowy I knew that already since I know what Thomas meant and why.
Diesels Are Rude Nasty Selfless Arrogant And Evil In The Thomas RWS & Tv Shows But There Are A Few Exceptions The Ones That Change BoCo, Bear, Mavis, Daisy, Rusty And Even Salty.
as a kid I always thought when diesel was "sent away" he was just sent to work on a different part of the island. He was always owned by the north western but just worked in Vicarstown where in the model series "only the diesels work"
Makes sense
@@greycatturtle7132 Just Gonna Ignore His Comment Is From YESTERDAY When The Video Has Been Out For An Hour
@@littleleopard7702 oh
Most likely a Patreon subscriber
@@littleleopard7702patreon supporters get early access to his videos lmao
I got into a conversation once that Diesel did nothing wrong in his first appearance other than thinking he's better and he just needed to be humbled over time rather than Duck doing it.
And what makes it even funnier is that Duck needed to be humbled too. So imagine how it feels when the jackass everyone hates puts you in your place.
Diesel started with a villian origin.
A Diesel named Diesel, who would've thought about that, anyways, nice video as always! Diesel was one of my favorite characters when i was a kid, and it still is to this day!
Diesel is one of my favourite characters too!
I always thought it was a little sad that Diesel never got a proper name
I never understood why Diesel and Diesel 10 were named how they are, and I didn't know why people had that for the two characters for so many years ever since I was a boy and since Thomas and friends was part of my childhood, but then one day I found that Diesel can be used as naming something like he's really strong, like in a Disney movie called "Snow Dogs" how they had a Husky named Diesel, and like in Ice Age dawn of the dinosaurs, how Diego said to Buck "Diesel Weasel" for how Buck was brave and strong to not get eaten by Rudy the Baryonyx, I guess Diesel is named how he is like as for how strong he could be.
Ah yes, Devious Diesel, one of Thomas and friends most conniving, yet loved character on the show.
Going from a one-and-done to a mainstay. Diesel represents a big thing in the franchise.
18:08 this is one Alec Baldwin’s best narration moments ever.
I actually like Daisy giving Mavis the bad advise better as they both work on the same branch line and while Daisy was redeemed, the text itself said that she was just happy to have another Desiel to talk to. It also makes sense that Daisy knows nothing about trucks
0:50 the the villain Devious named Diesel who loves playing tricks and have whole army of Diesels
The reason Diesel gave the advice in the TV adaptation instead of Daisy was because of American influence on the show. The producer of Shining Time Station, the PBS show that served as a vehicle to introduce "Thomas & Friends" to a US audience, saw Daisy as a sexist portrayal of a female character and insisted that her episodes from Series 2 not be shown on American TV, and that she not appear in any Series 3 episodes. So yeah, you can blame us Americans for keeping Daisy out of the adaptation of "Mavis".
@@brycelandon6387 I know that
@@brycelandon6387Don't encourage the anti-Americans
@@brycelandon6387 Also, I am American
Diesel is such an interesting character that is often portrayed one way or the other. I love the complexity some fans give him
How did you comment a day ago?
channel membership probably
@@JNJNRobin1337 patreon
Diesel is such an interesting character. Over the eras you can slowly see a shift in how he's written. My only wish is that he could have interacted with Duck a bit more in CGI. Duck would have been perfect for Diesel & The Ducklings.
Either way he really is an engine that's full of surprises.
Me too. I was hoping for Diesel to interact with Duck in CGI since Series 17. Pity they didn't get to do it, even make a episode around the two and Paxton since both he and Duck are foils to Diesel or a episode around Diesel causing trouble between Duck and Thomas. (chuckles)
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 You know, I honestly think that it would've been great if they had an episode of Diesel with Spencer since they never show Spencer with the Diesels like all the other engines, and since every engine knows everybody, like how in the CGI season 14 episode "Diesel's special delivery" we see how Rosie knows Diesel, and how Diesel knows her, I think they should show more of that for showing a character we know of meeting someone else we know of too but who we don't know if the character Diesel himself knows about.
30:59 - Diesel’s laugh is so Cartman-esque here. I love it.
This who scenario reminds me of the Cartman/Butters storyline in the Casa Bonita episode of South Park.
Diesel and Paxton really are the Cartman and Butters of Thomas.
Diesel will always be one of my favorites, and his arc with Duck is one of the reasons that season 2 is my all time favorite.
Love him or hate him, he is revolutionary.
Diesel being the next character installment of this series really fits the tone of Halloween, as all villains are at this time of month!
4:55 yeah Diesel even loves Halloween 🎃 that explains why he appear in Flour Power the best HIT era episode
Indeed. That's why Halloween is the perfect time of year for villains! 🎃😈
Using Misty Island Rescue as a good point for Diesel’s character development is something I never expect from Tug.
Even if the class alegory is stupid and the word "Steamie" is one of the worst things to come out of Thomas & Friends, Diesel ends up being more likeable than Thomas himself. Faint praise, right there.
And Day of the Diesels. Funny how Tug went from “WHAT IS THIS RACIST BULLSH*T BEING IMPLIED” in the Movie ranking vid to now “Oh wow this is actually more clever than we anticipated” XD
Awdry had a noted distaste for diesels and didn't want to include them in his stories prior to writing Duck and the Diesel Engine. It took quite a lot of persuasion from Eric Marriott to change his mind, so when he finally introduced one, he refused to give him a proper name, made him the villain and all but killed him off in the same book he was introduced in. Duck and the Diesel Engine was Wilbert's way of expressing his disdain for diesels.
The very next book, The Little Old Engine, introduced Rusty, a friendly diesel, to the series. I think this was most likely because the Talyllyn Railway, which Wilbert was a passionate supporter of, had one and so he didn't want to depict their diesel unfavourably. He used most of the remainder of the series to express support for the steam preservation movement and directly advertised several railways in his books. To me, as a preservation enthusiast, this is what makes the Railway Series special.
Originally intended to be a one off by Awdry, became probably the most recurring character in the TV series.
Considering how Diesel was depicted in previous episodes (not a good shunter and “knows nothing about trucks”), the record he set in "Emily and the Special Coaches" seems more impressive. The guy tried so hard to overcome his problem with trucks and even set a record, this should be a milestone in his growth.
Hell, the concept of this episode even has the potential to be remastered into an episode (or a two-parter) that gives Diesel a proper send-off.
In the end, Diesel could be placed in a prominent shunter role in one of the yards. (Also a new coat of paint which makes him a unique part of the railway could be a good concept).
I once imagine a CGI episode story that has Diesel attempting to prevent engines from breaking his record. It's unique that a villain/antagonist set a record in media since it has never been made before since only heroes set records in media so far.
He could also get a proper name
@@fanofeverything30465 I think Diesel as a name is fine enough.
I 100% agree with you. The more manipulative side of Diesel was always the one I preferred. The one that gets into the other engines' heads and pulled the strings behind the scenes. The one who reminds them of what the future held for engines on the mainland. That's the diesel I remember growing up. I've grown to like the CGI Diesel that delves into the mentality of a bully, but I'll always prefer the diesel that serves as the doomsday reminder to the steam engines.
A little off topic, but something I've noticed: In a way, if you really think about it, Jackson Storm from Cars 3 has a few similarities to classic Diesel. A "modern" vehicle that taunts the older protagonist, getting into their head and serving as a reminder to them of what is inevitably to come and telling them that the newer is superior. Not only this, but Storm is also one of hundreds of cars just like him, much like Diesel is one of hundreds of engines of the same class. Just food for thought.
Amazing analysis as always. Was not expecting this one!
What if Dirty Works gets a deleted scene 🎬 where Diesel had already got punished
Diesel's manipulative side is still present in CGI though small doses. Would be nice if the doomsday reminder side is shown in CGI as well.
Devious Diesel is a great example of a villain analysis video like Sodor’s Finest
The first Diesel who arrived on Sodor in RWS series and Season 2 his name is Devious
I LOVE Diesel's musical theme of the classic tv seasons, its soooo catchy and it stands out completely ompletely in comparison with all the other themes. A small but fantastic masterpiece!
I'm surprised Diesel's low points in the series were not nearly as low as characters like Skarloey or Henry, and how the coolest looking era of the show essentially did the worst job with his character. For how (intentionally) insignificant as he was in the books, to how complex and sympathetic he was in the CGI seasons, Diesel truly is, "REVOLUTIONARY".
@T.elegra.m....TheUnluckyTug Scam.
What started as a one-note antagonist would later become foiled for each of the engines. My favorite portrait has got to be fan adoption like Diesel Demons by Richard Jordan as it shows consequence with his action later working on the scrap yard as a punishment and later redeems himself saving Edward from the torches.
A tip of the hat to Jasperpie with his story of "Take my Diesel, please". It explains why Diesel was brought back to Sodor and how he stayed. Diesel screwed up his test run and was basically neglected by the other railway, with only the NWR giving him any sort of job.
Reality shattered when CGI finally won as the best portrayal of a character.
Cranky.
@NitroIndigo Daisy too and probably Spencer as well when they get their chance
@@NitroIndigo True, but he didn't have a RWS counterpart.
@@ThomasFisher-jr6bnHiro didn't have a model or RWS counterpart but had an episode, Duke doesn't even appear in CGI
Diesel was the OG villain of the franchise, and he became a lot more complex over the years. He may not have a name, but he's certainly full of surprises.
The whole Duck and Diesel comparison the book had also seems to be hinted at in the TV show. The episode "Pop Goes The Diesel" begins with Duck on the turntable, facing away from the camera before slowly being rotated around. Diesel is first introduced in the exact same manner. That HAD to have been deliberate.
While it is rather unfortunate that Diesel being found out and sent away after Close Shave was never shown and is very understandable why, but thankfully, fans had gave us exactly that with the fan made episode, Percy’s Ploy.
This episode takes place between Duck being sent to work with Edward and when he had crashed into the Barber Shop, and it shows Diesel meeting his demise, by his own manipulation. Essentially with Duck gone, Diesel had to handle the shunting in the yards, and he frequently caused delays and trouble for the Steam Engines. Percy, having watching him do all this, tries to tell the big engines, but no one believes him, more then likely because of how Percy treated them. It then gets to the point when Diesel tricked Henry and Gordon, he has had enough and gets Diesel back by doing the exact same thing he did to sent Duck away, he tells lies to the trucks, and they get him back. And soon Sir Topham Hat finds out about this along with his other lies, and seeing him as untrustworthy, he sends Diesel away, and tells the big engines to be more trustful of others and newer engines. The Episode then ends with him getting the phone call of Duck’s crash and being on his way.
This fan made episode really shows more of Diesel’s playing it cool and manipulated sides, while also showing that his capabilities, will not only come back to fight, but also how his own trick, can be used by others to get him back, plus having Percy be the one to get him back is so fitting, especially since while he was seen with the other engines when Diesel arrived in show, he never said any dialogue, so we never really know of how he felt about Diesel being here. And going by Percy’s playful personality, this seems very fitting for him to do. Definitely a well made fan episode:)
4:52 trucks are waiting in the yard tackling them easel show the world what I could gaily boasts the diesel in and out he creeps about like big black weasel when he pulls the wrong trucks out Pop Goes The Diesel
Imagine if someone create a story around Thomas exposing Diesel's lies during A Close Shave. That would be more natural to show how Thomas and Diesel became foes in classic series fashion.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967yeah that would’ve been nice, plus it gives more of a setup for their rivalry.
@@jmredguppy2799 Exactly. Hopefully fans make something of that one of these days.
It’s actually satisfying when Diesel gets exposed, Percy still occasionally working on the main line, and Sir Topham Hatt telling the big engines to learn to trust new comers and not to jump to conclusions without knowing full stories, while they were victims and were understandably upset for being called names
Diesel is like that shady guy at school you don't really trust, but is friendly/interesting enough to stick around.
I just love the thumbnail you made for Diesel’s retrospective video, it makes Diesel look actually menacing.
That scene in Springtime For Diesel with the door raising is just so fire 🔥
Because, y'know.
I'm excited to see ya cover Diesel! Not one I was expected, but one that's bound to be interesting, given his history
You know he's made it big when he is referenced in an action movie, Bullet Train!
Diesel is one of those characters who to me had a crazy arc throughout the show not gonna lie he kinda became an NPC during the HiT era.
The Great Race still has my favorite Diesel side plot, hid convoluted plan to go to the great railway show never fails to crack a smile on my face and he probably has one of the best songs in the Brenner era.
The first villain song in the show well more or less depending on your view.
I enjoy Diesel's side plot in The Great Race too! The first time I saw the scene where a crate fell on him, I was laughing my head off! And I agree that Full of Surprises is one of the best songs from the Brenner-Era.
The side plot brought in a lot of comedic relief, and I was all for it.
Loved the song they used in the credits as well - "He's Full of Surprises" is underrated!
Diesel is without a doubt one of my favorite characters, this is easily my 2nd favorite Sodor's Finest you did, right behind the Percy one. He started off as just a one off character in the books, but when the show started making original stories, he appeared frequently and became a recurring character it's clear that when it came to original stories, they saw something in him
It’s Halloween so it makes sense the main antagonist is going be on sodor’s finest. Also, Diesel somehow made the Hit era good for Thomas and Friends.
@T.elegra.m..TheUnluckyTug, Thanks.
Diesel has always been one of my favorite characters, and I love that we now have a complete history of Him.
Diesel is hands down the best villain the show has ever had!
What the heck did they do the Patreon logo 😂
Great to see you cover Sodor's Devious! I think out of all the engines "arcs" throughout both live action and CGI, Diesel's might be my favorite. Some would say he became a lot softer in his later years but honestly, I think he went through a pretty natural change if you look back at his whole story.
The Patreon Logo now just looks like a mashup of a boomerang and a wet piece of paper XD.
Either way, definitely agree with Diesel’s change and growth throughout the franchise.
@@jmredguppy2799 Though remained mostly the same in terms of devious and antagoistic.
In my opinion I feel Thomas & Sir Topham Hatt must be the last 2 in this series
Agreed. Especially Thomas.
And he should re-do Edward and Gordon
@@omarvazquez4075 yeah redo Edward & Gordon
@@ShadowKitty7908 Sir Topham hatt has to be 2nd to last & The Final 1 is the man & basically face of the franchise & Series Thomas
@@MR-RED428The last 4 will go like this:
Gordon re-done
Edward re-done
Sir Topham Hatt
Thomas
Now this is special one. Diesel's character has been all over the place in from diabolical evil, to gouchy school bully.
This outta be good.
Also the second time CGI wins in a Sodor's Finest spotlight episode
@@TheLazyFusspot_3428 Thanks for spoiling it 😝 literally was about to go to bed.
Tbh, Paxton's my favourite diesel character in the CGI series. As you said, he sees good in everyone and is kind to those who had even made fun of him. I'm glad the writers had him mature a bit, making him just a little less naive. I like to think that unlike most diesels, Paxton really doesn't mind working alongside steam engines since he always goes to a quarry full of them.
Like Rusty, Salty, Daisy, Mavis and even Philip, I can really believe it’s safe to say that Paxton is a role model for all diesel-kind to come. I really wish that more people like you and me can humanize the diesel a bit more than how most interpret.
I agree that Paxton sees good in everyone, especially Diesel, and I find that really good actually, and yeah in his first appearance in the movie/episode and first episode of season 15 Day of the Diesels, he might have been bad, but then in the first episode of season 16 and movie/episode Blue Mountain Mystery, he got to speak and turned out to be a really good and kind Diesel just like Mavis and Salty, and yeah Paxton may be too gullible and sometimes clueless on falling so easily by Diesel's tricks, but he is a really good friend, and man, if Paxton had someone who's really smart and understands things and how people are like me, I bet he would understand on how it would be hard to change Diesel's behavior with someone and how he could learn to be a good engine like how Sidney, Norman, and Den and Dart did being nice and being really good friends for Thomas and every steam engine on Sodor.
I wonder how Awdry would’ve thought of Diesel as time went on.
29:30-29:34
Puberty hit his voice box like an uppercut to the chin really hard, he went from a squeaky sounding ferret to a deep voiced badger!! 😂😂😂😅😅😅
I mean he’s a diesel he’s much younger than most of the other engines so it makes total sense.
Diesel in cgi: noo dont tell about my love of ducks! 😢
Model diesel: *makes a cult against you cutely*
Dudley: My lust for a safe haven has given me the privilege to endanger and sabotage others
My head canon of why diesel wasn’t sent away after his most evil act ever done (trying to scrap Fergus) was because The Other Railway was also having trouble with him which is why they would send him to sodor every chance they got but said to Topham they refuse to have him back and basically said either you buy him or we will scrap him. With Topham being the sentimental guy he is of course bought him.
I have no real evidence to support this except really the fact that he’s mean to both Paxton and Daisy means he’s not just that way towards steam engines. Then again that may be because they like steamies.
That's a good head cannon. It not only explains why the other railway kept throwing him in Topham's direction, but it also explains why he seems to be "stuck" on Sodor as well.
@@clayton_rose Yeah, he conflicts with the good diesels and don't get along with them much due to their friendliness to steam engines whom he dislikes.
16:38 I always like to believe that Diesel on the mainland is asked to take the goods to Sodor by his controller. After Diesel delivers the goods and was about to head home to the mainland, he stops at the station first, and that is where he gives bad advice to Mavis before he heads home to the mainland. That's why Diesel appeared in Mavis instead of Daisy, and plus dew to Rick Siggelkow's criticism on Daisy.
Seeing the teaser at the end Awdry would be so proud that there are those that still love his creation despite what haopened to it over the years. The books and show may be done but the legacy lives on. This video is a great example of that i think.
Pinch me…
A SF on the franchise’s main villain, for Halloween, who was introduced in the 13th book? 🐈⬛
This is pretty much perfection, considering we HAD a Friday 13th this month.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who really likes CGI Diesel! He’s such a fun character in the CGI Series and is far more interesting than in the model era. You have episodes where he’s just a bully like No More Mr Nice Engine, Springtime for Diesel, Diesel and the Ducklings, etc, ones where he’s unhelpful and doesn’t care for others like Diesel’s Ghostly Christmas, Disappearing Diesels, etc, and ones where he’s sceaming up plans like Sonny’s Second Chance, A Most Singular Engine, The Great Race, and Day of the Diesels. Diesel is just a fun character that you can write in so many situations, and I think that’s why the writers used him so much, particularly from Season 18-23.
Diesels Laugh in CGI is just so Iconic it is genuinely beautiful!
His laughter to me always and forever would sound way better with Michael Brandon voicing him for the US voice over for of every CGI season of the Thomas and friends series.
Series 18 Episode 4 'Disappearing Diesels' has my absolute favourite quote regarding Diesel from Diesel himself: "They don't call me 'Devious Diesel' for nothing!"🙂😂🤣
YES!!!! Finally, we got Evil Diesel himself!
I think my mind just *popped!*
Last year and this year, 3 installments of Sodor’s Finest were uploaded and followed a specific pattern:
Toby and Percy
* Both are Awdry characters introduced in a Railway Series book published in the early 1950s (Percy in 1950; Toby in 1952) and during the latter half of season 1
* Both aren’t interested in living life in the spotlight
* Both are small engines with big personalities
* Both have solid voice actors from _Magic Railroad_ (Linda Ballantyne as Percy; Colm Feore as Toby) and the UK dub of season 19-21 & BWBA (Nigel Pilkington as Percy; Rob Rackstraw as Toby) respectively!
Hiro and Cranky
* Both are the first Non-Awdry characters in their respective eras (Cranky is the first TV-exclusive character; Hiro is the first CGI character)
* Both are accompanied by another character specifically introduced to conclude their character arcs (Carly with Cranky; Kenji with Hiro)
Duck and Diesel
* Both are Awdry characters introduced in a Railway Series book published in the latter half of the 1950s (Duck in 1956; Diesel in 1958) and during the first half of season 2
* Both are based on a class of engine where a large number of them were built and manufactured *(863* 5700 Pannier Tank engines for Duck; *996* Class 08 shunters for Diesel)
* Both befriended a character owned by a human villain (Skiff with Duck; Sonny with Diesel)
Omh I never noticed this.
I wonder if that was intentional
I definitely wasn't expecting Diesel to be the sodors finest
My one explation to why diesel kept popping up is that he was a privately own engine on a factory on the railway and the times he was sent away, he was sent back to the factory
17:10 I'm also kinda glad they swapped out Diesel for Daisy here, because the original (like a lot of Mavis' RWS stories) reads as a pretty thinly veiled allegorical jab at women in the workplace.
I do think that the moral ambiguity of Duck and the Diesel engine was a excellent move by Awdry. I do think though that fan stories do a better job of showing diesel much later. He should really be a character that appears once and then maybe far in the future…
Diesel is like the complete opposite of James.James is usually involved or helps with a story while Diesel usually gets involved by starting a problem and therefore,hurts/helps the story. *It's perfect*
Diesel was a good character in the show that I remember as a kid. He played a major part as an example to be manipulative in the classics until the flanderization in the HiT-era where he becomes a generic bully but I love the complexity of how interesting he was utilized. Makes sense to put this main antagonist in Soder’s Finest for the tone of Halloween!
Diesel has always been a fun character for me. I don't know why the Fat Controller keeps bringing him back, but he's still entertaining.
Also... STAR WARS!
Imagine if Sir Topham Hatt had gave Devious a Number like how about 13
@@vanessasandoval96Fitting because 13 is supposed to be unlikely
I just realized, due to the context of “Stepney gets lost” Diesel tried to send Fergus to his death.
Yeah, he tricked Fergus that he would work somewhere else, and since Diesel didn't want to be told what to do by a steamy, and he sent Fergus to the smelters-yard where Diesel's friends Arry and Bert were gonna scrap Fergus, and Fergus got so terrified that he got lost until Thomas found him and Sir Topham Hatt told Fergus that he didn't want Fergus to work somewhere else and that his job and place was where he belonged.
Who would have thought a mere one-off character could go on to have such a lasting legacy? Diesel truly is one of the best.
I always forget he appeared only once in Wilbert's books.
The opening of this video felt like an intro to a Thomas Movie!!! Diesel is a great character in TTTE! Excellent video, Nic!
Well I wasn't expecting you to pick CGI Diesel! I think the issue with CGI Diesel is that you kinda have to pick and choose which events you consider canon. CGI Diesel is sort of like every version of him, a huge muddle of different ideas and interpretations of the charcater. Now you might say "that's inconsistent" - and it is! - but I think variety IS the spice of life. Because there's so many different takes on him in CGI, it gives you a lot more to chew on. In a weird way, I'm actually kinda glad they did it that way, becuase it made the writers use him in WAY funner ways than if they had just stuck to the OG personality. Like hiding in crates, or minipulating Harvey, or helping Percy in Wild Water Recuse. We just got so many different angles on him in CGI. Inconsitiant? Yep! But most, if not all, of his episodes in the CGI era were absoute winners!
Also, that Unlikely Fandom premire seems like great fun, Carty said I apparently made the cut! I only wish I could be there.
Diesel is my favorite.
I love his model in the model seasons and i love how he's kinda like the coyote from that looney toons cartoon, always making a plan it failing miserably.
I still can’t get over the fact that Diesel has his own page on the tumblr sexyman wiki along with Duck.
It kind of feels like he saw Duck’s page on the wiki, got mad, and took it upon himself to make his own page, post it, and then either Duck or Thomas saw it and proceeded to edit it.
WHAT
In regard to Diesel's arc in the Railway Series, and specifically his contrast to Duck as shunters, I really think the one that said the symbolism best was Dmman33 in his blog review of the related book. In Dmman33s words, the contrast between steam and diesel is "at its most dramatic". While Diesel "may not carry the same level of existential menace as later diesels, by having him impact a character over multiple stories through his own actions, he serves as a more dangerous and frightening villain in his own right...no similar characters exists in the [Railway Series]". The fact he almost didn't return, with a fate left open to interpretation but an impact that carries itself into later stories, highlights the message further.
At the other end, Duck, at said point in time, is aware he has a proud heritage to uphold, and City of Truro's visit really meant a lot to him, but he hadn't quite yet learnt to trust the big engines, having also not gotten a strong impression of them when he first arrived, so it was easy for them to take Diesel's side and turn on Duck. His redemption highlighted how he wins over the others with his bravery in the face of a potential disaster. Sure he didn't save himself from crashing altogether, but he prevented a worse accident by slowing down enough to be diverted from the main line, proving himself indeed a Great Westerner.
Regards, Samuel Farris.
Diesel is a great character and quite a good villain, and he had wonderful character growth, which I never noticed until now, even springtime for Diesel. Overall, it was really solved.
Diesel isn’t one of my favorite Thomas characters but after watching this video I view him in a different light. Another great video Nic!
@T.elegra.m..TheUnluckyTug What do I win?
It is such a shame that CGI Diesel’s redemption arc as penned by Davey Moore was undone by BWBA because it had so much potential going forward. Imagine if he patched up his relationships with Daisy and Paxton. Imagine if he proved his change of heart to Duck and the two became genuine friends. And imagine if he was finally given a proper name and number after proving himself really useful to Sir Topham Hatt.
The episode that undid Diesel's redemption was also written by Davey Moore. This is the TVS, character arcs aren't permanent and weren't meant to be
@@Kukaak Tell that to Cranky
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho A broken clock is right twice day, that doesn't mean every other time the TVS did something with a character was meant to stick
I wouldn't say "undone", sticking to the status quo, yes, but completely undone? One of if not his definitive last appearance was in Sonny's Second Chance, and I think that episode is extremely important to his development, I don't think it's fair to gloss over it
I think his arc began to come to a close with Springtime, then ultimately come to an end, or, as conclusive as we were allowed to see before the show was cancelled, with Sonny's Second Chance
I honestly never expected a Sodor’s finest on Diesel. Interesting episode.
The fact he was literally a nothing character in all but one book along with Boco kinda leads me to believe Awdry didn’t want to include Diesels in the series but over time he just kinda accepted they’d have to be included by the time Characters like Bear appeared and even then it really feels like he included them out of obligation and not because he wanted to.
I wanna see more of Bear.
@@joshuaW5621We all do.
Diesel has always been one of my favourites. Appropriate choice for Halloween UnluckyTug.
You did forgot about the annual books that tells how Diesel came up with the nicknames for Gordon, James and Henry.
Oh, yes, he did
Such a good video for a baddie such as Diesel and he’s my favourite antagonist in the franchise along with Diesel 10. Happy Halloween!
Same.
While I did enjoy this video, I do think you're missing a pretty big plot element here. Diesel actually has a seasons-long development arc that starts in earnest with "Disappearing Diesels" and culminates with "Sonny's Second Chance".
In "Disappearing Diesels", he has that moment where he can't bring himself to thank Paxton for helping him earlier, but he does manage to smile at him. Then in "Wild Water Rescue", Diesel actually does try to tell Percy he's sorry for tricking him, but he can't quite utter the words. In "Springtime for Diesel", he actually does manage to apologize to Daisy, with the words and everything, although he does make that excuse that other engines are mean to him and he also thinks Daisy is asleep and can't hear him. But these moments show a deliberate effort on his part to atone for his mistakes. You're absolutely right that Daisy not lettin' him off the hook is great, it adds so much! And yes, he does immediately revert back to his old ways the very next episode, but Diesel is a backslider and always has been. It's part and parcel of no one ever giving you the benefit of the doubt.
But it all comes to a head in "Sonny's Second Chance", where Diesel takes advantage of a well-meaning Sonny. Diesel is cunning and scheming again in this episode, yes, but the end is the thing that's important. When he is found out, Diesel's genuinely upset that he's ruined his friendship with Sonny and chases after him, only to derail himself and almost run into a ditch, but Sonny - because he's actually a good guy - races back to catch him before he falls in. And Diesel thanks him for it, no hesitation, no hemming and hawwing like before,no concern that the recipient of this gratitude is awake to hear it. And further, he readily goes on to say that he did not deserve to be rescued (as opposed to rationalizing his behavior like he did with Daisy). And Sonny replies that no, he didn't - also not letting him off the hook! - but telling Diesel to consider it a second chance, which no one on Sodor besides Hatt himself has ever really given him.
Then, facing the prospect of Sonny being sent away (a fate Diesel knows so well!), Diesel then leaps to admit to Hatt that everything was his fault and Sonny actually saved him. Which Hatt could probably tell just looking at the scene, but damn, ain't that an interesting turn for this guy who's been an anti-social nuisance in your Yard since the day you set eyes on him? And that he's copping to his crimes for a steam engine no less! Like, you make this point that Paxton (a diesel) even starts to give up on Diesel, but if you'd gone a little further down that line, you've got a steam engine ready to give him a second chance to prove himself. The circularity! The symbolism! And it's not just a steam engine, but a guy who has a similarly poor reputation but is determined to prove himself trustworthy and Useful, a guy on Diesel's same social standing (and in direct contrast to Duck whose reputation was impeccable). There's that little moment in the episode when Diesel's bragged to Percy about tricking Sonny and Percy says "I don't understand you". And Diesel, with a self-satisfied little smile, says back "No one does." But maybe Sonny does. Maybe, with Sonny's good influence, Diesel finally would have incentive enough to resist acting on his worse impulses and actually try to change for good.
Too bad the show got cancelled after that, lol.
But at least Sonny now knows that Diesel can't be trusted as Thomas warned him which is the point of the episode and other episodes since he only pretended to be his friend to trick him into doing his jobs for him, nothing else and if the show didn't get cancelled, it would have shown Sonny be more careful of Diesel next time he tried to trick him again in another episode of Season 24 or the next season. Becky should just have Diesel admit his devious deed to Sonny with no regret at Ffarquhar instead of what we've got but I digress.
@davidbrennan3967 It's not the point of the episode though. Because this isn't actually an episode about Diesel; it's about Sonny. The point is that Sonny - who himself has been given a second chance to prove his character and values the opportunity to do so - allows Diesel the same grace. And the reward for that is immediate: Hatt rolls up and Diesel takes responsibility for the spilled fish cars, absolving Sonny of any blame. Would Sonny have been a little more discerning around Diesel in the future? Yeah, probably, but Sonny has also learned from this experience that changing for the better is a lot harder if it seems that no one thinks you can or will. "Consider it a second chance" is a statement of faith in Diesel's better character, something he's never been given after having one of his schemes found out, and he's swift about proving its not misplaced.
@@DjangoDurango Perhaps so though remembering the lesson that Diesel can't be trusted and knowing what he's really like to be more careful of his devious antics in future would do just the same as well, especially since unlike him, Diesel always goes back on his second chances by causing trouble with his devious antics, wither being distrusted, provoked or not. Many engines has to find that out the hard way after being tricked by him when they first met him, even Sonny. At least Sonny's the main player while Diesel's the main antagonist to cause trouble and that nothing continues from that. Hope you understand what I'm saying all the same.
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Aghhh thank you!!!!!!
Towards the Railway Series, I know they are not marketed as a direct addition to the Railway Series, but you could have maybe even covered the Annuals by Christopher, as they do go with the book. However this is still a grand and perfect in time for Halloween Special of Sodor's Finest
I CALLED! I new it would be a Devious Diesel episode :) Maybe it's the spooky season? Who knows
Diesel is always one of my favorites. I like the way he’s built and the way he’s black and I like his theme song
I hate how Diesel went from a sly, villainous, cunning and scheming villain in RWS and the first 3 seasons who occasionally gives me chills to a soft misunderstood bully who's never sent away in season 8- onwards. His original arrogant, intelligent, manipulative nature made him a good villain. He was the perfect foil for Duck in my opinion but the just gave it up to Thomas.
His original arrogant, intelligent, manipulative nature is still present in CGI though not much.
Just got home from school and saw this on my recommended. Thank you Tug, you made my half day 5x better.
I love how these videos have sound effects now! 😍
25:38 this is basically one of the reasons why I like day of the diesels. Day of the diesels is basically part two to miss gallon rescue plus all the episodes in between. Have more banters toward diesels building up their emotions which will then lead to the movie Day of the diesels.
4:29 Diesel sounds like Stewie
😂
Hey! I always thought I was the only one for so many years!
When I randomly heard Torvus Bog from my favorite GameCube game in the video during the model segment, I was just giddy since I love Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. I don't know if it was intentional, but I heard the actual song from the game, not the cover you linked. It was interesting hearing your take on Diesel from CGI specifically, as it was something about the character I never thought about. I look forward to seeing who you cover next as well as the Series 8 retrospective when you get around to doing it.
I always found that honk after Diesel falls into the barge hilarious.
Me too.
Excellent depth of Diesel’s character and explains why he’s such a vengeful bastard! I really sympathize with Diesel & the other diesels, no one really pays attention to them in spite of their superiority. I’m so glad that the writers gave the diesels, (especially Diesel) more depth into the CGI FORM.
Surprisingly, Diesel is by far my favorite diesel character in the Fandom. He sits right up in my top favorites with Percy, Gordon, Skarloey, and Molly.
He is back! And just as the holiday started! Yahoo! Thanks tug
The Day has arrived folks. Tug FINALLY prefers the CGI version of a character.
He did it for Cranky.
When he has the chance of all 3
Yeah that's kinda what I meant. I think that Cranky was kind of a no-brainer. Like, of COURSE the cgi series would be the better iteration, the model series didn't do much of anything with him to begin with.