ALIENS 3D...the spiritual sequel to T2 3D! All the info I could find about it is some concept art on goddard’s old website and a complete script on the alien Anthology Blu-Ray boxed set
would it be possible for Universal to sell the rights to Marvel attractions back to Disney, and then use the money to buy the rights to DC from Warner Bros. Discovery away from Six Flags?
@@TheKairielise because WBD knows they could make more money off of an immersive dark ride, than (as you said) a generic roller coaster with a corresponding color scheme
Sid S is a notorious jerk when he wants to be. He was the same idiot who was dumb enough to sue Nintendo over character rights his company did not own. Idk if losing that case ever humbled him. I heard he’s personally a good guy (he was Steven Spielberg’s mentor)
This was an extremely interesting video! It truly breaks my heart as a Batman fan that we never got to see these DC attractions. I would have loved to see that Joker coaster!
As cool as the concept art is for the lands we never got, I love the way Islands of Adventure turned out. If they did use Warner’s Looney Toons and DC, they wouldn’t stand as much when so many other theme parks use those properties. You can only go to IOA for Marvel and Jay Ward characters.
@@jaydenchrist6152 yeah but is marvel at California adventure real Marvel? Nope Marvel at Universal is the comic book version of the characters we a love which to be honest is the true version and how it should be
Same, but some other attractions for Seuss Landing and Toon Lagoon would definitely fit in with Islands of Adventure as well as some more Jurassic Park rides!
I wish they built the Batman and Penguin coaster and the whole DC comics land and looney toons, there both amazing concepts and the rides looked awesome 😁
Once again, a fantastic video! This was very nicely done. Thanks, I really enjoyed it! As far as suggestions for the next video: I think it would be cool to learn about the MIB corner in USF. Wasn't Jurassic Park originally set for that corner, and then there were other concepts that were suggested before MIB? It would be awesome to get some great details on Universal's thought process of that area from Swamp thing to MIB. or maybe a video on the curse on KId Zone and all the canceled projects meant for that area. .... I'm sure whatever you decide to do next It will be great!!
@@raidenstark315 Any character that Universal DOESN'T use is fair game for Disney to use on the East Coast. Which means that there could be a chance that the Eternals will come to Disney World sooner or later... Ooh, and maybe we'll get to see Hyperion too!
Not gonna lie, I would have loved to visit this instead of Islands of Adventure. Don't get me wrong, IOA is still a good place, and some of the ideas were implemented quite well into their current state, but a world filled with Disney's rivals, especially WB, at Universal's Florida grounds would have enticed me much more than Adventureland if it took over the entirety of Disneyland.
I really like this series, it’s very fascinating and cool to see what could’ve been, I actually kinda wish WB gave the rights to them because it could’ve been cool to see what they could’ve done with DC and looney tunes, they probably would’ve beaten six flags
My idea for a Central Florida theme park with Warner Bros., DC Comics, and Cartoon Network characters would laid out like this! - DC Comics Attractions - Metropolis - Superman Flight coaster - Gotham City - Joker’s Madhouse - Batman vs Joker coaster - Various TBD attractions - Looney Tunes - Various TBD attractions - Tiny Toon Adventures - Animaniacs - Cartoon Network - Adventure Time - Steven Universe - The PowerPuff Girls - Ed, Edd n Eddy - Various TBD attractions - Other Warner Bros. Movies and Franchises - Mad Max - Inception - The Lord of the Rings Trilogy - Godzilla Monsterverse
I Love it its will be Warner World and i have the same idea for the same Warner Bros Theme Park and Florida is definitely one of the locations planned in mind.
Your coverage of the talks with Warner Bros was fascinating, but the convoluted history of these licenses could've been a self-contained video. (As Six Flags has the DC and Looney Toons licenses, I went down a Bugs Bunny hole to discover how Time Warner was even able to sell the license.) Some highlights: - Marriott's Great America, a two-chain park located in Illinois and California, was the original owner of the Looney Toons amusement park license. - Six Flags bought the Marriott's in Illinois in 1984, but NOT the one in California, which was odd since the Six Flags SOP was buying already-existing parks. They had gotten Magic Mountain in 1979 and, at the time, Marriott's was the only amusement park in all of Northern California, not counting the rinky-dink Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. (Six Flags would eventually buy Marine World-Marine World Africa USA-New Marine World Theme Park-Six Flags Marine World-Six Flags Discovery Kingdom in 2007, which Premier Parks was hired to run when it was just a zoo.) The California Great America was instead sold to the city of Santa Clara and Six Flags somehow ended up with the Looney Toons license. - Time Warner didn't enter the Six Flags picture until 1990 or so, when it started buying up Six Flags stock. It had a 50% stake in 1991 and 100% in 1993. The question here is why they did it. This was a period where media companies owning parks was all the rage. Paramount had just bought a bunch of parks. Universal Studios was expanding into Orlando. MGM had just teamed up with Disney for their own Studios park, though Disney's was a hot garbage rush job born from Michael Eisner stealing Universal's ideas and fast-tracking them in hopes that Universal would give up (there's another video for you!). Time Warner was merging and buying all kinds of companies, trying to keep up with the Evil Empire (Disney), so maybe this was a case of just keeping up with the Joneses. - Or maybe Time Warner was just interested in that Looney Toons license. As stated at the beginning of the video, Universal was already looking into a second Orlando park in 1991. They wouldn't have planned these elaborate Looney Toons and DC lands without talking to Time Warner first. Why waste all that time if the licenses weren't even available? This was the same year Time Warner started buying up Six Flags stock, so the timing seem very suspicious. Yes, Looney Toons characters were already all over the Six Flags parks, and Batman had just been introduced into several of them, so why would Time Warner want to throw all that away for one park in which they'd only have a single-digit percentage of the take? In 1993, Six Flags only had seven parks (I believe), so 8% of an Orlando park was easy money. Universal apparently only wanted the Batman and Superman franchises, so Six Flags would still have a stable of other superheroes to name rides after. And the success of Tiny Toon Adventures appeared to be leading Time Warner into a lucrative partnership with Steven Spielberg. Plucky Duck was coming in 1992 and Animaniacs in 1993, so all the Looney Toons attractions could just be rethemed to those characters that would be around forever! (Cough) ' - Time Warner got out of the amusement park business shortly after this deal fell apart. In 1998, Premier bought Six Flags, only five years after Time Warner had bought it. Which gives a little more credence to the idea that Time Warner only bought the company to get that Looney Toons license. Six Flags was sold to Premier Parks for under $2 billion, which was chump change to Time Warner at the time. We can't know who to blame, or even if we should. It would be great to have some of the most iconic cartoon characters of all time in Islands. Certainly Bugs and Company deserve better than what they are getting in the Six Flags parks, which is basically themeless flat rides. There are loads of Warner Bros characters - Bugs, Elmer, Daffy, Porky, Marvin, Tweety & Sylvester, Roadrunner & Wile E Coyote... - more deserving of quality attractions than Popeye or Dudley Do-Right. They're all more deserving than many of the characters over at the Disney parks, like Casey Jr, Gadget, Roger Rabbit, Monsters Inc, Cars, Remy, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Incredibles, Aerosmith, whoever is currently featured in that horrific Disney Jr show... I'd even argue their importance over Alice in Wonderland, the Little Mermaid, Mr Toad, Frozen, Pinocchio, Peter Pan, etc... but at least those characters have long literary careers before being used to sell merchandise. But what would we have lost? It looks like the Looney Toons land would have been mostly in Lost Continent's space, which means we would never have gotten Sindbad or Poseidon. DARN! While Poseidon's Fury had some great ideas, it never became a complete attraction, so maybe saving those ideas would've resulted in a better attraction down the road. But we also would've never gotten Dueling Dragons. Or all the theming in Lost Continent, which was the greatest theming in a theme park at that time. Moving even further into the future, what would've happened to Harry Potter? They certainly couldn't have taken over the Looney Toons land, or even put it into a park named Cartoon World. The obvious choice would've been to replace Jaws even earlier, which means both Harry Potter lands could've ended up in USF, meaning the Hogwarts Express would've been a motion simulator, if it existed at all. And there would certainly be no room for Hagrid's motorbikes. All the Harry Potter stuff being located in one park would not have been good for Cartoon World. The only "inexpensive" option would be to replace Toon Lagoon, which would mean getting rid of the only two water rides in the entire Resort AND a renaming of Cartoon World. Of course there was always the third gate... The DC side would've probably been an improvement over the Marvel version in both theme and ride selection. Dr Doom and Storm Force Accelatron would certainly not be missed, and the Batman/Penguin coaster would've been thematically better than Hulk, and might have been a great alternative to Dueling Dragons. But can you imagine a world without the Spider-Man ride? As cool as the Superman version seems, it was still not what Spider-Man turned into. MAYBE it would have eventually morphed into a Superman version of what we ended up with, but there's also a very good chance that our first form of this ride system would've been the far-inferior Transformers version. Also, most of this land and part of Looney Toons would have taken up the space that turned into Jurassic Park. While the world could've lived without the River Adventure on the East Coast, this ended up being the most pleasant land in the park, due to its jungle theme. And dinosaurs are always a plus. Besides, Jurassic Park was being built in Hollywood as a stand-alone ride, so it probably would've ended up next to Back to the Future over at USF. Which means no room for the fantastic Camp Jurassic or for the upcoming coaster. All things considered, I think Universal would've been far better off had they just ponied up the extra cash for Time Warner. When it opened, the three big coasters, the drop towers and the two flumes made Disney fans think of this as a park for teens. Furthermore, at the time Marvel characters weren't a selling point and the other cartoon characters were't big draws either. Due to this, and a bad marketing plan, the park performed poorly. Had Universal been able to advertise Batman, Superman and Bugs Bunny, Disneygoers would have been far more willing to try out the new park, which would've had way more family-friendly rides with these IPs. The other problem was its lack of attractions. The following year Universal added two flat rides to the park in an attempt to quell this line of thinking, but neither lived up to the theming surrounding them. The DC and Looney Toons lands not only would've brought more attractions to the lineup, but switching over to Jurassic Park and Lost Continent forced the Dr Seuss and Popeye lands to lose much-needed attractions. The Warner Bros lands also had shows planned, something this park still needs. Shows fill out a day better, and Cartoon World would've felt like a complete park from Day One. Then came 9/11, which only ensured IOA would remain in a holding pattern until it got the Harry Potter license. Had Cartoon World performed well upon opening, it would've weathered that recession better. With this park chugging along, and Hogsmeade lifting USF to great heights, chances are we'd already have the third gate, as Universal probably would've fast-tracked it so Diagon Alley could be its main selling point. WE COULD ALREADY BE RIDING UNIVERSAL MONSTERS RIDES!!! Sigh...
honestly i am glad that this park was never built if anything Warner Bros needs to build its own theme park and install all of these rides from the scrapped concept art which i call Warner World
That saw idea for Ripsaw falls would have been amazing. Why scrap it? And another thing, why aren't there EVER people in costumes in Toon Lagoon? I see it in all these ads but not once, in my 500+ times going, have seen one
A really detailed immersive DC world would be fantastic. Imagine a dark and gritty Gotham. Too bad Warner Bros just lends to IP to 6 flags, witch is just naming rights.
Now I want a Six Flags Park in Florida with DC Comics and Looney Tunes themed rides as well as other rides themed to Cartoon Network shows from Adventure Time and Steven Universe to Ed, Edd n’ Eddy, The PowerPuff Girls, Ben 10, and other Cartoon Network shows!
I am so glad that, in some level, some of those ideas were able to see the light of day over in Abu Dhabi! It would have been so awesome to see them in Orlando as well! The Warner Park in Abu Dhabi is much more modest than the ideas you showed in this video (don't get me wrong, it is still an incredible park!).
And I should think if universal couldn't get the Dr Seuss rights they should have a animaniacs land because Hanna barbera is in universal studios Florida and tiny toons is looney tunes
These type of brainstorm and planning builds of new rides/lands is so fascinating. Really enjoyed this video as it unearthed so much that I’d didn’t know about IoA.
I know he's fictional but I kind of feel bad for Woody Woodpecker. Universal had their own classic cartoon character who fit the more smart-alecky tone they wanted to go for and even after they got shot down by Warner Bros. he still doesn't have his own ride.
According to the resort wide concept art it looked to be on the left side of the park, about where Marvel is now. Seuss Landing seems to be the only land that stayed in the same spot through all plans.
It’s almost done in Japan. But won’t be opening for a few months. No official word on an opening date has yet to be made. Nearly every detail of this land has been covered on the channel, including layouts for the rides, and a few videos about the interactive elements. A video for the future Donkey Kong ride will be made later, so stay tuned for that. You can see the most recent construction here: twitter.com/aliciastella/status/1265999653855735811?s=21
I think this was talked on another channel like 1 or 2 years ago, but is funny to see like a lot of this theming ideas became part of the Warner Bros Park in Madrid, Spain. THE DC area idea is VERY similar, with the same planned buildings and everything, except for the rides inside being different (turning them into coasters with cool queues instead of universal level dark rides). The Looney Tunes area had a similar concept, though instead of Tiny Toons theres a small mix of Hanna Baberbera and Cartoon Network in the entrance. And of course, all this with sadly A LOT less budget, but some of the original concepts of the madrid park for this areas look even more similar to the Universal ideas (before Six Flags started to cut everything lol). The Batman stuntshow at the lake also looks eerily similar to the stunt show that the madrid park had in its first years, about Lethal Weapon instead of Batman.
Thank you for this awesome video! I was just talking about the IP changes yesterday. I need to show her this video, you explained things way better. 😂 thanks!
Almost ALL of the characters featured in Who Framed Roger Rabbit would have been together. This would have been awesome! As we see in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, many characters from other animation studios live in Toontown. I feel bad that most of the non-Disney characters can't visit the Walt Disney World Resort. Why can't they? Don't all the citizens of Toontown love each other? :'(
Too bad about Cartoon World, but it's great to know that Dr. Seuss, Jay Ward, King Features, and the idea of a super hero land managed to make the final cut for Islands of Adventure. Even Comic Strip Lane ended up merging with Toon Lagoon, feeling like an unofficial main street for the Toon Lagoon. Plus given that Comic Strip Lane, DC Comics, Dr. Seuss, and Toon Lagoon all started with stories, I'd say Cartoon World was destined to be Islands of Adventure sooner or later.
I can't believe this never saw actual construction. Oh well, at least they more than made up for it with Harry Potter and are now bringing Super Mario World so all is quickly forgiven!
Awesome and insightful video. I wonder with the Universal new theme park would they make a try at this again, Knowing Six Flags pretty much is going bankrupt, And going to close a majority of there parks. I wonder if they are in discussion with Warner Brothers. I know they already have a deal with Nintendo, I know this theme park is going to supposedly have a whole lot of land so what else is Universal up to.
I'm glad we got IoA in the end, my #2 park in the world behind Tokyo DisneySea. Fascinating how the Warner cartoon lands pretty nuchy ended up becoming reality over at Warner Bros World Abu Dhabi
Marvel could replace the DC land and Hanna-Barbera could replace the Looney Tunes land, they could do this strategy to not throw the Cartoon World project in the trash, but I respect the decision to end up with IOA even if I am a little uncomfortable about it
Crazy to think how this could have effected DC comics. DC is basically dead now, boy did they miss a MASSIVE marketing possibility. I wonder if my exposure to marvel island as a kid made me the marvel fan I am today. Always loved marvel, never cared for DC, fell in love with marvel comics after visiting islands of adventure.
This 6% 8% 10% are terrible negotiations tbh... I would have asked for a 45% and guarantee that i would get 15% at least... They fucked up big time. I'm happy they did
would it be possible for Universal to sell the rights to Marvel attractions back to Disney, and then use the money to buy the rights to DC from Warner Bros. Discovery away from Six Flags?
Now i'm thinking if cartoon world was created how there going to do halloween horror nights in 2002,03,04 and 05 Also suggestion you should talk about universal hollywoodland the cancelled europe park of universal
For an idea for the next unbuilt, maybe you could talk about the Universal Florida tram-tour that they didn’t do because MGM studios copied them. I’m not sure if there’s any readily available information about it, but it would be interesting to see!
Back then it might not have worked but forward now , we have the merger of Warner Bros and you have universal now together . A looney toons land or any other dc property could now work. Just saying.
No Disney did not own the rights to Jay ward's characters only Universal and DreamWorks owned the rights to Jay ward's characters not the theme park rights
The interesting thing to note is that the deal that Six Flags has to use DC and Looney Tunes should expire in the next decade. That should make things really interesting as maybe just maybe DC and Looney Tunes could possibly appear at Epic Universe, just saying
Wow that was really dumb of universal not too get those characters. I feel robbed! Hopefully they learned from that. They should have tried to make the mythological stuff into something else. That whole park needs a redo. HP only good thing there, well and spiderman.
Man if only cause sf has a contract with WB and has done absolutely nothing with it but name there rides after them and make a section of the park but nothing like what Disney or universal would do with the que line and theme of the park if only I wish universal would try again to get the rights because Disney will want marvel soon at there parks so universal will have to change that side of the park but dc is making a comeback so Superman and Batman is huge market!
Lots of properties being used,they would of had both dc and marvel at that time.they have mgm,warner bros is huge,they also would have all hanna barbera cartoons,paramount and much more.
I feel like the reason why that log ride didn't actually get the saw gag is because they knew that idiots would try to mess with the saw itself when they got close to it.
I wanna see all the original planned but scrapped attractions for Universal’s Islands of Adventure besides those for the Warner Bros. DC and Looney Tunes properties and Universal Monsters like some scrapped Toon Lagoon, Seuss Landing, and Jurassic Park attractions become fully realized and maybe Toon Lagoon can utilize the Nickelodeon Nicktoon properties and Universal’s own classic cartoon library!
A big thanks to everyone for suggesting this topic! Now what UnBuilt attractions would like me to talk about next?
Definitely LC
Is any Harry Potter concept trashed?
Universal Dubai
Dippy What’s LC?
ALIENS 3D...the spiritual sequel to T2 3D! All the info I could find about it is some concept art on goddard’s old website and a complete script on the alien Anthology Blu-Ray boxed set
WB: “hmmmm.....and Six Flags, what do you have to offer?”
Six Flags: “We’ll paint a coaster in Batman colors”
WB: “....DEAL!!!”
ik thats so dumb
They also owned six flags.
would it be possible for Universal to sell the rights to Marvel attractions back to Disney, and then use the money to buy the rights to DC from Warner Bros. Discovery away from Six Flags?
@@Viking_Luchador why the hell would they want to do that?
@@TheKairielise because WBD knows they could make more money off of an immersive dark ride, than (as you said) a generic roller coaster with a corresponding color scheme
“We don’t need your f*cking characters”
Harry Potter: *proceeds to take control of the entire resort* 😂
Sid S is a notorious jerk when he wants to be. He was the same idiot who was dumb enough to sue Nintendo over character rights his company did not own. Idk if losing that case ever humbled him. I heard he’s personally a good guy (he was Steven Spielberg’s mentor)
Really wish we could have gotten the Batman vs Penguin ride, it sounded really cool.
I wonder why 6 flags don't do rides like this
Six Flags should totally do that but instead with Batman vs The Joker!
This was an extremely interesting video! It truly breaks my heart as a Batman fan that we never got to see these DC attractions. I would have loved to see that Joker coaster!
Yeah! Or maybe a Batman vs Joker coaster!
Or a joker funhouse type dark ride wow if only!
As cool as the concept art is for the lands we never got, I love the way Islands of Adventure turned out. If they did use Warner’s Looney Toons and DC, they wouldn’t stand as much when so many other theme parks use those properties. You can only go to IOA for Marvel and Jay Ward characters.
Um u can go to Disney Calafornia adventure for marvel but you can only go to Islands of adventure for j ward and popeye
@@jaydenchrist6152 yeah but is marvel at California adventure real Marvel? Nope Marvel at Universal is the comic book version of the characters we a love which to be honest is the true version and how it should be
Universal
I like the concept art. What a great idea. But I’m happy the resort ended up with Islands of Adventure which is an awesome park
Same, but some other attractions for Seuss Landing and Toon Lagoon would definitely fit in with Islands of Adventure as well as some more Jurassic Park rides!
Maybe it was for the best
IOA is easily the best theme park in the US.
I wish they built the Batman and Penguin coaster and the whole DC comics land and looney toons, there both amazing concepts and the rides looked awesome 😁
So good!!!!
Thank you!
Indeed!
Very
Batman vs Penguin and Roadrunner vs Wile E. Coyote both sound so cool.
YEAH!
I want those rides to happen at a new Six Flags park in Central Florida!
MEEP MEEP!
Once again, a fantastic video! This was very nicely done. Thanks, I really enjoyed it!
As far as suggestions for the next video: I think it would be cool to learn about the MIB corner in USF. Wasn't Jurassic Park originally set for that corner, and then there were other concepts that were suggested before MIB? It would be awesome to get some great details on Universal's thought process of that area from Swamp thing to MIB.
or maybe a video on the curse on KId Zone and all the canceled projects meant for that area. .... I'm sure whatever you decide to do next It will be great!!
Thanks! I’m definitely thinking about the KidsZone curse for one.
Universal did get a little "last laugh" that kept most Marvel characters out of WDW.
But not Disneyland and DCA.
Search the agreement
In the east universal owns them but in the west disney can use the characters
Looks like the guardians are a grey area
@@raidenstark315 Any character that Universal DOESN'T use is fair game for Disney to use on the East Coast.
Which means that there could be a chance that the Eternals will come to Disney World sooner or later...
Ooh, and maybe we'll get to see Hyperion too!
@@jimbodeekyeah
And based on the abomination of the Spiderman "ride" that Disney introduced in LA and Paris, thank god it won't be coming to Orlando.
Not gonna lie, I would have loved to visit this instead of Islands of Adventure.
Don't get me wrong, IOA is still a good place, and some of the ideas were implemented quite well into their current state, but a world filled with Disney's rivals, especially WB, at Universal's Florida grounds would have enticed me much more than Adventureland if it took over the entirety of Disneyland.
I really like this series, it’s very fascinating and cool to see what could’ve been, I actually kinda wish WB gave the rights to them because it could’ve been cool to see what they could’ve done with DC and looney tunes, they probably would’ve beaten six flags
Whoah, there's a Harley Quinn FC at one of the WB parks?!
Anyway, they did get "Harry Potter" and that is a WB property...
FC? You mean Face Character? Yes that costume design is used several theme parks.
When I was very young, I remember Bugs Bunny and the WB characters being at Six Flags' Great America near Chicago.
Great america used the looney tunes characters long before it became a six flags park
I love looney toons! With everything getting reboots and shit I hope they can bring it back. Daffy and buggs are undefeated!
My idea for a Central Florida theme park with Warner Bros., DC Comics, and Cartoon Network characters would laid out like this!
- DC Comics Attractions
- Metropolis
- Superman Flight coaster
- Gotham City
- Joker’s Madhouse
- Batman vs Joker coaster
- Various TBD attractions
- Looney Tunes
- Various TBD attractions
- Tiny Toon Adventures
- Animaniacs
- Cartoon Network
- Adventure Time
- Steven Universe
- The PowerPuff Girls
- Ed, Edd n Eddy
- Various TBD attractions
- Other Warner Bros. Movies and Franchises
- Mad Max
- Inception
- The Lord of the Rings Trilogy
- Godzilla Monsterverse
I Love it its will be Warner World and i have the same idea for the same Warner Bros Theme Park and Florida is definitely one of the locations planned in mind.
What about The Matrix?
Your coverage of the talks with Warner Bros was fascinating, but the convoluted history of these licenses could've been a self-contained video. (As Six Flags has the DC and Looney Toons licenses, I went down a Bugs Bunny hole to discover how Time Warner was even able to sell the license.) Some highlights:
- Marriott's Great America, a two-chain park located in Illinois and California, was the original owner of the Looney Toons amusement park license.
- Six Flags bought the Marriott's in Illinois in 1984, but NOT the one in California, which was odd since the Six Flags SOP was buying already-existing parks. They had gotten Magic Mountain in 1979 and, at the time, Marriott's was the only amusement park in all of Northern California, not counting the rinky-dink Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. (Six Flags would eventually buy Marine World-Marine World Africa USA-New Marine World Theme Park-Six Flags Marine World-Six Flags Discovery Kingdom in 2007, which Premier Parks was hired to run when it was just a zoo.) The California Great America was instead sold to the city of Santa Clara and Six Flags somehow ended up with the Looney Toons license.
- Time Warner didn't enter the Six Flags picture until 1990 or so, when it started buying up Six Flags stock. It had a 50% stake in 1991 and 100% in 1993. The question here is why they did it. This was a period where media companies owning parks was all the rage. Paramount had just bought a bunch of parks. Universal Studios was expanding into Orlando. MGM had just teamed up with Disney for their own Studios park, though Disney's was a hot garbage rush job born from Michael Eisner stealing Universal's ideas and fast-tracking them in hopes that Universal would give up (there's another video for you!). Time Warner was merging and buying all kinds of companies, trying to keep up with the Evil Empire (Disney), so maybe this was a case of just keeping up with the Joneses.
- Or maybe Time Warner was just interested in that Looney Toons license. As stated at the beginning of the video, Universal was already looking into a second Orlando park in 1991. They wouldn't have planned these elaborate Looney Toons and DC lands without talking to Time Warner first. Why waste all that time if the licenses weren't even available? This was the same year Time Warner started buying up Six Flags stock, so the timing seem very suspicious. Yes, Looney Toons characters were already all over the Six Flags parks, and Batman had just been introduced into several of them, so why would Time Warner want to throw all that away for one park in which they'd only have a single-digit percentage of the take? In 1993, Six Flags only had seven parks (I believe), so 8% of an Orlando park was easy money. Universal apparently only wanted the Batman and Superman franchises, so Six Flags would still have a stable of other superheroes to name rides after. And the success of Tiny Toon Adventures appeared to be leading Time Warner into a lucrative partnership with Steven Spielberg. Plucky Duck was coming in 1992 and Animaniacs in 1993, so all the Looney Toons attractions could just be rethemed to those characters that would be around forever! (Cough)
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- Time Warner got out of the amusement park business shortly after this deal fell apart. In 1998, Premier bought Six Flags, only five years after Time Warner had bought it. Which gives a little more credence to the idea that Time Warner only bought the company to get that Looney Toons license. Six Flags was sold to Premier Parks for under $2 billion, which was chump change to Time Warner at the time.
We can't know who to blame, or even if we should. It would be great to have some of the most iconic cartoon characters of all time in Islands. Certainly Bugs and Company deserve better than what they are getting in the Six Flags parks, which is basically themeless flat rides. There are loads of Warner Bros characters - Bugs, Elmer, Daffy, Porky, Marvin, Tweety & Sylvester, Roadrunner & Wile E Coyote... - more deserving of quality attractions than Popeye or Dudley Do-Right. They're all more deserving than many of the characters over at the Disney parks, like Casey Jr, Gadget, Roger Rabbit, Monsters Inc, Cars, Remy, the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Incredibles, Aerosmith, whoever is currently featured in that horrific Disney Jr show... I'd even argue their importance over Alice in Wonderland, the Little Mermaid, Mr Toad, Frozen, Pinocchio, Peter Pan, etc... but at least those characters have long literary careers before being used to sell merchandise.
But what would we have lost? It looks like the Looney Toons land would have been mostly in Lost Continent's space, which means we would never have gotten Sindbad or Poseidon. DARN! While Poseidon's Fury had some great ideas, it never became a complete attraction, so maybe saving those ideas would've resulted in a better attraction down the road. But we also would've never gotten Dueling Dragons. Or all the theming in Lost Continent, which was the greatest theming in a theme park at that time. Moving even further into the future, what would've happened to Harry Potter? They certainly couldn't have taken over the Looney Toons land, or even put it into a park named Cartoon World. The obvious choice would've been to replace Jaws even earlier, which means both Harry Potter lands could've ended up in USF, meaning the Hogwarts Express would've been a motion simulator, if it existed at all. And there would certainly be no room for Hagrid's motorbikes. All the Harry Potter stuff being located in one park would not have been good for Cartoon World. The only "inexpensive" option would be to replace Toon Lagoon, which would mean getting rid of the only two water rides in the entire Resort AND a renaming of Cartoon World. Of course there was always the third gate...
The DC side would've probably been an improvement over the Marvel version in both theme and ride selection. Dr Doom and Storm Force Accelatron would certainly not be missed, and the Batman/Penguin coaster would've been thematically better than Hulk, and might have been a great alternative to Dueling Dragons. But can you imagine a world without the Spider-Man ride? As cool as the Superman version seems, it was still not what Spider-Man turned into. MAYBE it would have eventually morphed into a Superman version of what we ended up with, but there's also a very good chance that our first form of this ride system would've been the far-inferior Transformers version. Also, most of this land and part of Looney Toons would have taken up the space that turned into Jurassic Park. While the world could've lived without the River Adventure on the East Coast, this ended up being the most pleasant land in the park, due to its jungle theme. And dinosaurs are always a plus. Besides, Jurassic Park was being built in Hollywood as a stand-alone ride, so it probably would've ended up next to Back to the Future over at USF. Which means no room for the fantastic Camp Jurassic or for the upcoming coaster.
All things considered, I think Universal would've been far better off had they just ponied up the extra cash for Time Warner. When it opened, the three big coasters, the drop towers and the two flumes made Disney fans think of this as a park for teens. Furthermore, at the time Marvel characters weren't a selling point and the other cartoon characters were't big draws either. Due to this, and a bad marketing plan, the park performed poorly. Had Universal been able to advertise Batman, Superman and Bugs Bunny, Disneygoers would have been far more willing to try out the new park, which would've had way more family-friendly rides with these IPs. The other problem was its lack of attractions. The following year Universal added two flat rides to the park in an attempt to quell this line of thinking, but neither lived up to the theming surrounding them. The DC and Looney Toons lands not only would've brought more attractions to the lineup, but switching over to Jurassic Park and Lost Continent forced the Dr Seuss and Popeye lands to lose much-needed attractions. The Warner Bros lands also had shows planned, something this park still needs. Shows fill out a day better, and Cartoon World would've felt like a complete park from Day One. Then came 9/11, which only ensured IOA would remain in a holding pattern until it got the Harry Potter license. Had Cartoon World performed well upon opening, it would've weathered that recession better. With this park chugging along, and Hogsmeade lifting USF to great heights, chances are we'd already have the third gate, as Universal probably would've fast-tracked it so Diagon Alley could be its main selling point. WE COULD ALREADY BE RIDING UNIVERSAL MONSTERS RIDES!!! Sigh...
Awesome awesome video! I am still so sad that the Looney Tunes themed land was never built. And the Bat Wing and Penguin concept looked epic!
Its spinburg fault
honestly i am glad that this park was never built if anything Warner Bros needs to build its own theme park and install all of these rides from the scrapped concept art which i call Warner World
Rip Cartoon world I wish that cam be there 4th park lil
I'm sad that we didn't get to see the Looney Tune land with BIG CHUNGUS!
Also I would like to see a Looney Tune land someday!
There is one in Abu Dhabi uae
I want a Godzilla ride for Universal Studios Florida!
We almost got one in the Japan Pavilion at Epcot.
Well recently If I ran the Zoo and Five other Dr.Seuss books, have been recalled due to Racist and Hurtful illustrations.
That saw idea for Ripsaw falls would have been amazing. Why scrap it? And another thing, why aren't there EVER people in costumes in Toon Lagoon? I see it in all these ads but not once, in my 500+ times going, have seen one
I saw Rocky and Bullwinkle once in 2017!
Some amazing work and research here team! Kept me engaged all the way through. Would’ve loved to see the looney tunes land.
That Loony Tunes land would've been really cool.
What would Horton's Corner have? Anime!?
I want a cool Godzilla monster area for either Universal Studios Florida, Islands of Adventure or Epic Universe!
A really detailed immersive DC world would be fantastic. Imagine a dark and gritty Gotham. Too bad Warner Bros just lends to IP to 6 flags, witch is just naming rights.
Wow the original plans would have been so much better!!!! It’s awesome now but having Looney Tunes and DC what an incredible idea!!!!!!!!
Had this been built, it would've been weird seeing Looney Tunes at a Universal park even though I think of the Looney Tunes as a WB cartoon.
Now I want a Six Flags Park in Florida with DC Comics and Looney Tunes themed rides as well as other rides themed to Cartoon Network shows from Adventure Time and Steven Universe to Ed, Edd n’ Eddy, The PowerPuff Girls, Ben 10, and other Cartoon Network shows!
I am so glad that, in some level, some of those ideas were able to see the light of day over in Abu Dhabi! It would have been so awesome to see them in Orlando as well! The Warner Park in Abu Dhabi is much more modest than the ideas you showed in this video (don't get me wrong, it is still an incredible park!).
I Think Universal's Cartoon World Would've Been An Awesome Theme Park Parallel To Universal Studios Florida Theme Park's Movie Theme
In Who Framed Roger Rabbit, EVERY toon from EVERY company loves each other.
They should have just given Ted Turner his 10%, that would have made that park so much better.
And I should think if universal couldn't get the Dr Seuss rights they should have a animaniacs land because Hanna barbera is in universal studios Florida and tiny toons is looney tunes
Totally! But Animaniacs hadn’t yet aired when they were first designing that part of the park.
Oh really?
And by the way comic strip lane should have rides themed to garfield and peanuts and mother goose and Grimm
These type of brainstorm and planning builds of new rides/lands is so fascinating. Really enjoyed this video as it unearthed so much that I’d didn’t know about IoA.
Since you mentioned Tiny Toon Adventures, that reminds me…
In March 2023, I had this idea of a Tiny Toons 4D ride where they go to space.
They should make the suessium its like a museum and shows all the books and history about dr seuss and status about the books
Imagine ghosting Steven Spielberg!
Maybe Toon Lagoon should include Universal cartoon characters and other characters!
I know he's fictional but I kind of feel bad for Woody Woodpecker. Universal had their own classic cartoon character who fit the more smart-alecky tone they wanted to go for and even after they got shot down by Warner Bros. he still doesn't have his own ride.
He has a kiddie coaster at Universal Studios Florida now. It’s got some funny jokes around the queue too.
This was great! A welcome breath of fresh air! Thanks so much Alicia... you're the best theme park TH-cam channel there ever was!
Thank you, Daniel! That’s very sweet of you to say.
I would have loved to have the Looney Tunes on IOA, so sad... If they had built it, do you know where it would currently be?
According to the resort wide concept art it looked to be on the left side of the park, about where Marvel is now. Seuss Landing seems to be the only land that stayed in the same spot through all plans.
Maybe some attractions with the Peanuts characters would make their way to a Cedar Fair park in Florida!
Seeing all the concept art is great. The fact that we never got this proper DC land is such a shame
Just wondering if we would be able to get a update on super nintendo world because there's a lot that has happened
It’s almost done in Japan. But won’t be opening for a few months. No official word on an opening date has yet to be made. Nearly every detail of this land has been covered on the channel, including layouts for the rides, and a few videos about the interactive elements. A video for the future Donkey Kong ride will be made later, so stay tuned for that. You can see the most recent construction here: twitter.com/aliciastella/status/1265999653855735811?s=21
@@ThemeParkStop sweet thanks for an update, cant wait till it opens in japan!
I’m just glad this didn’t happen because if it did then it would’ve been closed permanently now knowing NBCUniversal
What's the music that starts at 3:11 ?
I think this was talked on another channel like 1 or 2 years ago, but is funny to see like a lot of this theming ideas became part of the Warner Bros Park in Madrid, Spain. THE DC area idea is VERY similar, with the same planned buildings and everything, except for the rides inside being different (turning them into coasters with cool queues instead of universal level dark rides). The Looney Tunes area had a similar concept, though instead of Tiny Toons theres a small mix of Hanna Baberbera and Cartoon Network in the entrance.
And of course, all this with sadly A LOT less budget, but some of the original concepts of the madrid park for this areas look even more similar to the Universal ideas (before Six Flags started to cut everything lol).
The Batman stuntshow at the lake also looks eerily similar to the stunt show that the madrid park had in its first years, about Lethal Weapon instead of Batman.
the batman and superman areas are look similar to the dc area in the parque warner madrid
Thank you for this awesome video! I was just talking about the IP changes yesterday. I need to show her this video, you explained things way better. 😂 thanks!
I wish I had Stewie's multiversal remote from Family Guy so I could travel to a universe where Cartoon World exists...
Almost ALL of the characters featured in Who Framed Roger Rabbit would have been together. This would have been awesome!
As we see in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, many characters from other animation studios live in Toontown. I feel bad that most of the non-Disney characters can't visit the Walt Disney World Resort. Why can't they? Don't all the citizens of Toontown love each other? :'(
Their creators don’t
@@haileyshannon7548 I know.
Too bad about Cartoon World, but it's great to know that Dr. Seuss, Jay Ward, King Features, and the idea of a super hero land managed to make the final cut for Islands of Adventure. Even Comic Strip Lane ended up merging with Toon Lagoon, feeling like an unofficial main street for the Toon Lagoon.
Plus given that Comic Strip Lane, DC Comics, Dr. Seuss, and Toon Lagoon all started with stories, I'd say Cartoon World was destined to be Islands of Adventure sooner or later.
I can't believe this never saw actual construction. Oh well, at least they more than made up for it with Harry Potter and are now bringing Super Mario World so all is quickly forgiven!
Awesome and insightful video. I wonder with the Universal new theme park would they make a try at this again, Knowing Six Flags pretty much is going bankrupt, And going to close a majority of there parks. I wonder if they are in discussion with Warner Brothers. I know they already have a deal with Nintendo, I know this theme park is going to supposedly have a whole lot of land so what else is Universal up to.
I'm glad we got IoA in the end, my #2 park in the world behind Tokyo DisneySea. Fascinating how the Warner cartoon lands pretty nuchy ended up becoming reality over at Warner Bros World Abu Dhabi
Universal would've done a better job then six flags if they got that DC agreement, as well as the Looney tunes
Marvel could replace the DC land and Hanna-Barbera could replace the Looney Tunes land, they could do this strategy to not throw the Cartoon World project in the trash, but I respect the decision to end up with IOA even if I am a little uncomfortable about it
oh boy this was uploaded on my birthday
This was such a great episode! ❤️
This was amazing, I always wanted to hear about cartoon world and how it was going to be like, heck if we get a fourth theme park it would be this 😂
Crazy to think how this could have effected DC comics. DC is basically dead now, boy did they miss a MASSIVE marketing possibility. I wonder if my exposure to marvel island as a kid made me the marvel fan I am today. Always loved marvel, never cared for DC, fell in love with marvel comics after visiting islands of adventure.
@11:00 "and other instances of Bugs outsmarting adversaries like Elmer Fudd" Bug Chungus the Ride CONFIRMED for Epic Universe????
There is a Popeye Village, it’s in Malta and it’s the set of the 1980 movie and you can visit it.
Islands of Adventure is America's Theme Park.
I'm a universal over Disney guy at this point.
This 6% 8% 10% are terrible negotiations tbh... I would have asked for a 45% and guarantee that i would get 15% at least... They fucked up big time. I'm happy they did
Warner Brothers looney tunes are largely unknown to many of the Young crowds today. Universal lucked out big time.
Nah there still known
would it be possible for Universal to sell the rights to Marvel attractions back to Disney, and then use the money to buy the rights to DC from Warner Bros. Discovery away from Six Flags?
Now i'm thinking if cartoon world was created how there going to do halloween horror nights in 2002,03,04 and 05
Also suggestion you should talk about universal hollywoodland the cancelled europe park of universal
Looney tunes n DC sounded awesome….unlike six flags. Smh….DAMN IT UNIVERSAL!! IM IN TEARS OVER HERE!!
For an idea for the next unbuilt, maybe you could talk about the Universal Florida tram-tour that they didn’t do because MGM studios copied them. I’m not sure if there’s any readily available information about it, but it would be interesting to see!
The tram tour at Universal Studios Florida was open for the park’s first five years. Yesterworld did a great video on it!
I didn’t know that. Thank you for the video recommendation!
Back then it might not have worked but forward now , we have the merger of Warner Bros and you have universal now together . A looney toons land or any other dc property could now work. Just saying.
This was very well researched as well as impeccably organized and presented. Thanks!
No Disney did not own the rights to Jay ward's characters only Universal and DreamWorks owned the rights to Jay ward's characters not the theme park rights
The interesting thing to note is that the deal that Six Flags has to use DC and Looney Tunes should expire in the next decade. That should make things really interesting as maybe just maybe DC and Looney Tunes could possibly appear at Epic Universe, just saying
Wow that was really dumb of universal not too get those characters. I feel robbed! Hopefully they learned from that. They should have tried to make the mythological stuff into something else. That whole park needs a redo. HP only good thing there, well and spiderman.
If Universal Cartoon World was going to be built it would be basically a high quality Six Flags park.
Man if only cause sf has a contract with WB and has done absolutely nothing with it but name there rides after them and make a section of the park but nothing like what Disney or universal would do with the que line and theme of the park if only I wish universal would try again to get the rights because Disney will want marvel soon at there parks so universal will have to change that side of the park but dc is making a comeback so Superman and Batman is huge market!
Lots of properties being used,they would of had both dc and marvel at that time.they have mgm,warner bros is huge,they also would have all hanna barbera cartoons,paramount and much more.
The double log concept for Dudley DooRight would have been so awesome. Also I think Looney Tunes/Tiny Toons would've been great for Universal
Do the Un built roger rabbit ride not cartoon spin the bus ride of roger rabbit
Comic Strip Lane could have simply been called Comic Strip.
Thank god this never happened. Dc comics and looney toons make me think of a stanky six flags. Feels so cheap!
I love learning about this stuff ❤
#DisneyDiva ❤
Batman as the hulk ride, joker as doomsday, superman as Spiderman, :(
Man that WB stuff all sounds incredible!
I would like a tiny toons kids zone in a theme park someday
I feel like the reason why that log ride didn't actually get the saw gag is because they knew that idiots would try to mess with the saw itself when they got close to it.
now Universal Super Nintendoword they don't need looney tunes now enter my question
Great episode
Bugs Bunny World belong to six flags but not at Universal
Another great, informative and thorough video Alicia! 👍
I wanna see all the original planned but scrapped attractions for Universal’s Islands of Adventure besides those for the Warner Bros. DC and Looney Tunes properties and Universal Monsters like some scrapped Toon Lagoon, Seuss Landing, and Jurassic Park attractions become fully realized and maybe Toon Lagoon can utilize the Nickelodeon Nicktoon properties and Universal’s own classic cartoon library!
Can’t wait to hear these story’s one day about epic universe
11:52 WHAAAAAAAAT?!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 WHY CANT THIS EXIST IN THE STATES?!