I hated the smugness of David Stern when he held that press conference. I'm not a Laker fan but Stern definitely put his finger on the scale for the Clippers.
i feel it but as a Lakers fan it worked out for us because as good as CP3 and Kobe would’ve been on the court, Pau did so much and continues to do so much for the Kobe and the Bryants off the court i wouldn’t have it any other way
@@samurraiwarrior11 yeah, it's crazy that the Lakers thought keeping Bynum was the right decision there. Pau was obviously the better player and him with Kobe and Paul would've been a force to be reckoned with for several seasons.
A lesser known fact about this deal is after the trade was veto'd Lamar Odom fell apart emotionally because he couldn't believe the Lakers wanted to trade him. I really think it was the start of all his personal life issues as well.
I have heard that he had always had a substance abuse problem. I know it’s small, but he also couldn’t stay away from candy and always had some in the locker room
Mark Cuban did an interview where he broke down the salary cap situation behind this and it was basically that the Lakers would have had Kobe, CP3, Howard and enough cap space for 2 max contracts. That would have been even more overpowered that the KD Warriors. And let’s just say that the 2011 and 2012 free agency classes were stacked.
@@er7776 I don’t remember the exact details but I think it a combination of a cap increase, and other filler salary they could have dropped. Also the salary cap was way lower so a max contract was like $12M.
As a Laker fan I’m still pissed about this shit to this day. The Heatles were already formed, but CP3 and Kobe was supposedly too OP and bad for the league
@@johnwatsoniv384 the Lakers were also working a deal with Orlando for Dwight and Orlando wanted LA to take Gil so they could clear his contract then amnesty Hedo and clear basically all their cap space. But by doing that then LA would amnesty Gilbert and have $24M in cap. So it could have been CP, Kobe, Dwight and $24M. And if you look at salaries around that time. Guys like LeBron, Bosh, and Wade for instance were only making about $14M so add someone of that caliber and someone of tony Parker's caliber(because he was making about $10M at the time) and that's what the other owners noticed. So if Gilbert is to be believed, then they're lineup could have looked something like CP, Kobe, LeBron?, Lemarcus Aldridge?, Dwight. I just used LeBron and Aldridge because they're positions and salaries from that year matched up. Then the next year Kobe opts out of $24M and the Lakers can pass on bringing him back and have another $24M to bring in 2 more players on that level and they are 82-0 for 10 more years. The clip is on the "heat check" channel. Just search for Gilbert Arenas cp3 trade. Actually pretty interesting
heatles wasn’t even a team built around trades though, that was free agency. Bosh was a sign and trade so not even the same degree as this. So pretty irrelevant to compare
As a life long Laker fan who has been beyond spoiled by 3 different decades of extreme success, this Chris Paul nixed trade still hurts to this day. I always wonder if Kobe could've had a third title run in him despite his health issues if this trade had gone through. It also took the Lakers the better part of the next decade to recover from the nix.
People act like David Stern was trying to stop a Lakers superteam. No, wrong. The NBA league office was trying to properly manage the Hornets' team assets - which, given that the NBA owned the Hornets for about a year, that's what the NBA was *supposed* to do. This had nothing to do with the Lakers - the league had a unique responsibility to protect the Hornets' interests, regardless of how things panned out for the Hornets' trade partner.
Literally only guy in the comments section who knows what he’s talking about. NBA didn’t want to own the hornets, they wanted a quick sale to a local buyer and keep the team in NO. Trading their only marketable superstar for peanuts doesn’t make sense when you’re trying to lure buyers.
The NBA vetoed this trade, because at the time they were the owners of the team and they didnt want to hurt the value of the Franchise. Something thats pretty common in soccer - within a selling process there is often a transfer ban. That being said, its no conspiracy against the Lakers
The irony is that the thing that David Stern really wanted to stop is commonplace in today's league with super teams being created. I know that we are leaving the super team era but he did not successfully stop it. And as a Lakers fan, I will never forgive him for what he did.
The NBA owned the New Orleans Hornets at the time. It wasn't just the NBA stepping in and saying no to a trade. They owned the team and could directly make that decision. Why does everyone routinely frame this veto as something more than what it is, which was just a team owner shooting down a trade deal from the general manager, something team owners routinely do?
One of the biggest robberies in NBA history. If the trade went through Kobe more than likely wouldn't have had to overexert himself in his later years leading to his career ending injuries.
I find hilarious that people accused David Stern of being biased against the Lakers in this trade when he’s arguably the biggest Lakers homer of all time. We’re taking about the same guy who rigged Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals against the Kings just to ensure the Lakers made the Finals.
This all went down while I was away at school. I recall that my (SF Bay Area) friends and I were furious about the initial CP3 trade because we felt like the Lakers were jettisoning bad contracts and getting CP3 in return. At no point did we feel like the Lakers were giving away equal value. In essence, if you get the best player and the cap space you need to sign more players, that's a big win for your team. The only thing that would have made it better for the Lakers is if they were also somehow getting draft picks back. My Lakers fan friends' reactions to the trade (and subsequent reaction to the veto) confirmed our suspicions and told those of us who grew up in the Bay Area that LA fans were thinking the same thing (only were initially very happy because they were benefitting from it).
I think you really skipped over the part that the lockout had ended earlier that same day, and that within hours the Lakers had fleeced the Hornets,making the league look kind of bad after months of back & forth negotiations between the league and the players union
exactly. most people dont even know this.. Basically it was forbidden to even have talks during that time and suddenly the trade was made? they pulled off a sneaky one
@@uberneanderthal the reason why that expiremnet failed was because nash was past his prime and he had back injuries. Their coaching wasnt the same either. They fired Mike Brown then Barkerstaff but also fired him again and hired Mike D Antoni. Core pieces like Fisher and Odom etc left the team and howard injuries which he suffered from
Another thing worth noting: If the Pelicans got the Lakers package, due to having Lamar Odom, they may win too many games to get Anthony Davis The Cavs get AD instead to put him alongside Kyrie and Tristian Thompson, Lebron probably still comes back to Cleveland in 2014, as the Cavs clear cap for him, and it’s interesting to think if the Cavs would’ve traded for Love still or kept AD (they probably keep AD IMO) Also the 2012 Lakers probably get the 2 seed and thus still lose in the 2nd round in 7 to OKC
I think if Harden stays in OKC, OKC wins in 2014 and 2016, if KD stay’s probably in 2018. He’ll leave in 2019 for Brooklyn with Kyrie for a new challenge still Another scenario is Harden in Phoenix as the Suns had plenty of assets at around that time
3:27 no that's not the entire story is it? The entire story is the GM was tasked with making small moves, anything major the owners had to vote on doing because they were paying to keep the franchise alive. This trade was never veto'd, the concept of the trade was voted on and it didnt pass vote. And for further reference, only 2 owners/GMs voted "yes" (cuban and whoever represented Portland), the other 27 voted "no", Stern just delivered the information. I hate this story because of how much people get wrong. Its always made out to be this situation where a trade was proposed everyone accepted and then the mean old nba stepped in and said "no!", even when fairly accurate details are given people still try to make it sound like this, like in this video where we don't include very vital information.
I hate the way people cover this story for easy clicks lol they literally were the proxy owners, I wanted CP in LA as much as anyone but the owners have every right to tell the GM nah
finally someone says it, this is exactly why. stern wanted to protect his poster child of the NBA. you can wrap it with any color paper this is the real reason why he vetod
@@iwatchtoomuchhaikyuu5307 Jordan never played with someone like Paul tho. However, for me, Kobe was more skillful than Jordan and Lebron but he was selfish and a bad playmaker, that hurt his legacy. Also he played in the hardest era of nba, nowadays he would have been considered the goat
I hate the way this story is covered by so many people because if any other owner told his GM not to do a trade they wanted it would be such a non story. They were the proxy owners. I wanted to see CP and Kobe as much as anyone, I love Kobe but holy cow this has been a non-story since 2012
Of course lakers fans are mad about this, but you forgot one very important detail! The whole purpose of that lockout was player movement and forming super teams! The lebron super team was just formed the summer before and created a huge imbalance within the league which was the topic of discussion during the lockout. When the lockout ended and this trade was forced through by the literal face of super teams (lakers) And they received the best player from a organization that didn't even have an owner at the time was straight armed robbery and completely wiped out the whole purpose of the lockout negotiations that they just finished. Had no choice but to veto and thats 100% truth.
I was watching something that showed tat had the cp3 trade gone down it would have also given the lakers 2 max slots in addition to having cp3 and Kobe.
The Gilbert Arenas explanation also sheds some light on this. His math is a little off, and who was a free agent then is off, but the basis of what he’s saying, e.g. the Max slots available to LA the next couple of years is on point.
It wouldn’t even be that big of a deal because Kobes lakers was never a super star even with CP. And then you see legit super teams all around the league starting to pop up and nba said nothing. It is really like the nba and the media had something against Kobe
Kinda wild how much this trade affected the Lakers behind the scenes as well as on the court. If it had gone through the Lakers probably wouldn't have all those losing seasons meaning some guys would still have their jobs, D'antoni would have been able to at least add a couple years as head coach, Jim Buss and Mitch Kupcheck might still be with the team, Jim Buss might have actually had some leverage in that whole power struggle against Jeannie for ownership, Magic and Pelinka wouldn't have taken front office roles, Lebron and AD might not be on the Lakers or hell maybe we would've saw Lebron and Kobe together with all the pieces they on the table, who knows?
Wow you remember a lot of little details about this whole situation that everyone forgot about. If you didn't remember this, you researched it VERY well. Either way, I'm beyond impressed
NBA doesn't have power to veto any trades But the owner of the team does, which the league and all other 29 teams co-owned the hornets If I were the owner of some other team, I would not want the trade to go through
Let us not forget this was the year of the "amnesty" and I'm gonna preface what I'm about to say by saying yes I know Gilbert Arenas says wild, dumb stuff all the time but his explanation on this could be true and very logical as to why the league vetoed this trade. A one time ever veto happening under one time ever circumstances makes a lot of sense
Before watching the video from what i remember The league owned the Hornets. So they had every right to reject/veto the trade. If i owned the team at that moment i would had rather have an up and coming potential star in Eric Gordon and a good young wing Al-Farouq Aminu and a 1st over what the lakers offered. The leagued own the team when it happened simple as that and people still crying over it.
the lakers offer was pure trash.. Not only were they aging but Odom and Martins contracts were just bad that it would hold the Pelicans a few years back. Like why would they suffer mediocrity with decling veterans when they can just do a complete overhaul with young first round players for CHEAPS. The only good they would have gotten was Dragic
I think the fact that Lakers fans talk about this veto like the league robbed them of multiple titles shows that it was in fact a good trade to veto. They are upset because they knew how lopsided this deal was and how much it would have helped them out. Haven't seen a single Pelicans or Rockets fan complain about this vetoed trade which also speaks volumes to how great it was for the Lakers specifically.
Jeanie buss said the trade was vetoed cuz the did it when they wasn’t supposed to cuz nobody else could do trade and sign free agents etc. and when they could they already traded Lamar Odom to Dallas which was a huge part of the trade package
There was a lot of other stuff going too. The rumor at the time was the Lakers had a deal in place to get a PF to replace Pau Gasol using a big trade exception that they would have gotten in the CP3 trade. There was also belief that the Lakers had enough capital left to make a Dwight Howard trade that off-season and not the next as Dwight I believe was going back and forth with a trade demand and he had wanted to play with Chris Paul.
David Stern wanted Lebron to have a chance to be 'the guy' clearly the league had felt that Kobe had enough championships... and Lebron was the guy who was the future. It's more proof that pro sports are all semi-rigged. We all know this, we all know they want to see Lebron, Curry, Kobe, Duncan, Durant, Wade, etc. in the finals. Noone wants to see Utah vs Denver in the conference finals let alone something like Portland vs Indiana in the finals, cough cough 2000 rig job, or Sacramento vs New Jersey in the finals, again, rig job 2002. The Lakers are my 2nd favorite franchise after my home franchise but, I admit that they got karma here. They got 2 titles they never shoulda got in 2000 and 2002, and then they got titles likely taken away and handed to Miami Spurs, Dallas, in the next few years before Kobe was aging/injured. The guy who really loses here is Chris Paul, period. Hes been injured a lot in the playoffs and he's choked A LOT in his career but still, I think he would have won in the Lakers.
I was really excited when New Orleans first got the Hornets. But I've come to hate the fact that the only purpose of this franchise is to draft great players and trade them to the Lakers for more draft picks.
Nowadays, this trade would be welcome in the league. It's kinda like how D'Antoni was making Melo and the Knicks shoot nothing but 3's during this time, and the whole league was like "lol that's not basketball"
Another factor you didn't mention: one of the main reasons the league gave for vetoing the trade was that they didn't want to congregate all of the stars in big markets like LA. Then the league approves a trade to the other team in LA. David Stern is probably the worst commissioner in NBA history
League owned the team and wanted to sell it to new ownership. Trading the teams only star would have made that more difficult. THAT is the only reason the trade was killed. Laker fans just make up lies to cope, I swear.
In other words, the owner (NBA) at the last minute decided not to trade. I don't see any problems with it. NOLA would be a mediocre team after the trade, and unable to land the first pick next year (Anthony Davis).
The veto led to New Orleans drafting Anthony Davis in 2012 because they got such a horrible team. Once the Lakers got Anthony Davis in 2019, I stopped being pissed about the veto.
Theres a article from ESPN that talks about the almost made trade where many owners actually saw the trade as a way to disrupt the balance of the league which would have allowed the lakers get chris Paul and no draft picks in return. How David stern even got pressure from owners like Dan Gilbert and mark Cuban etc
You have the dates mixed up. The Chris Paul and Dwight trades happened back to back. That's why Mitch was so upset, of which he reiterated after Jeanie ended up firing him a decade later.
The trade had been approved by the NBA and stern, he only went back and veto it because of the pressure from all the small market teams complained , the lakers where about to also trade for Dwight also , so they saw a 3 headed monster and didn’t want a major market having another dynasty , also the lakers would have had money to spend on a 4th star. This didn’t go well with the peasant franchises in the league.
Not true at all. Literally everything you said is BS. The NBA owned the Hornets at the time, only time in league history, and they were trying to sell it to an owner who would keep the team in New Orleans. Trading their only star and only reason the fans show up to the games would have soured potential owners to buying the team.
Was upset about this Vetoed trade and still is. And when the Watriors got KD without getting vetoed it got me a lot more pissed off. I mean they did that veto because of “competition reasons” 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The Veto was only possible because the league own the Hornets.. the league doesn't have power to just veto trades and free agency signings because they feel like it
Everything is a conspiracy but the main fact about this is the hornets were owned by the NBA at the time. They didn’t have a owner so the NBA had to act in place of the owner and they made the decision
I wish okc had traded Westbrook instead of harden. Westbrook to clippers for blake griffin. Clippers don't need cp3 now, dallas or knicks get chris paul? Dallas pairing Dirk and cp3 to stay relevant. Knicks pairing cp3 with Tyson Chandler bc it was a good link up in New Orleans
The fact that this trade got vetoed and KD was allowed to go to the Warriors is the biggest sham ever. I will never be a hardcore NBA fan because of this.
the flaw in your logic is the injuries part... injuries arent destiny, a player getting an injury at one team, isnt guaranteed to be injured at another team if they were traded there.
The lakers getting bailed out in a massive way at the trade deadline this year should’ve gotten vetoed and don’t even bother trying to tell me it shouldn’t have.
@@stephenenns1386 well I live in Nola. And how I’m a bandwagon laker fan if I haven’t even pulled for them since Bron got there? Shut ya mouth lah boy don’t know me
The fact that people can watch this video and still say "But the NBA won't veto blah blah blah" THE NBA DOESNT OWN THE TEAM INVOLVED IN TRADES TODAY. THE NBA WERE THE OWNERS OF THE HORNETS.
I hate people hearing this story and getting it twisted that the NBA vetoed it because the team would have been overpowered. That is true! But what is also true is that the NBA was the interim owner of the Hornets so they every right to decide not to trade CP3. It wasn’t a “veto” as much as it was the team owners deciding not to go through with a trade. Whatever the other pressures were, it’s not like the NBA made some unilateral move they shouldn’t have been able to make in the first place.
Nah the reason is quite literally that they would have been over powered lol. You can look up vids on where Gilbert arenas talks about how the lakers would’ve had upwards of 20 million in cap space after the cp3 and Dwight trades. At the time, that would have been enough for two all star level players in free agency. Cp3, Kobe, Dwight and two other all stars. Think about it, the trade they actually took from the clippers was worse from an asset standpoint. Lakers trade gave the hornets more players, AND more picks.
@@Leodoesthings23 don’t get it twisted, I understand the reason is that it would’ve been an overpowered team. As interim owner however, the NBA chooses where it sends its players, who it does trade business with and who it doesn’t. If Mark Cuban didn’t want to send lula to the lakers because that would make them too strong contenders, he has every right to choose who to trade with who not to.
@@Leodoesthings23 hahahha you really think the lakers offer was better? 2 mediocre vets with bad contracts for what? they are not contending. Better to just rebuild totally with young talents for CHEAPS.. Seriously, the highest salary from that Clips trade was Kaman which is only even 10K.. they basically have 3 high drafted players within top 10 and will get 1 first round pick via Min.
@@rossejera1661 You saying the clips trade was better cause they got less assets lol. They could have just traded the players the got in the cp3 trade versus just losing them for nothing.
@@Leodoesthings23 lol you dont think do you? they had more quality assets for CHEAPS.. Both Gordon and Aminu (top draft players) were on entry level contracts. Even if Kaman didnt work out, he was only for 10m and has an expiring contract. And plus they had their biggest asset which is a top 1st round pick. This sets them up for a complete rebuild using the draft and cap space for free agency, which is more lucrative for the new owner. Now go look how much those 3 declining vets are worth.. You say "they could have traded".. for what? 2nd round draft picks and chump change? cause they aint worth that much.. They even retired after 2-3 years. Only good asset was Dragic
People are still mentioning Arenas explanation to why it was veto. How about you listen to Jennie Buss interview in All the Smoke. She literally broke the events that lead to the trade being veto. It's a more convincing explanation than Arenas.
The GM of the hornets wanted to make the trade. The league owned the hornets. The owners of the hornets did not want that trade. The GM of the hornets was not allowed to make that trade. There was no veto. The trade simply was not desired by the hornets.
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 No Star Player was going to the Lakers. The roster was horrible and Kobe's Injuries were getting worse. They tried to get Carmelo in '14 FA, which he considered but ended up passing and re-signed with the Knicks. That was their last hope for a Star Player. So, Kobe's contract was a loyalty contract. Kobe was still selling out arenas.
@@anthonysanchez5997 Kobe's injuries didnt get notably bad until the second to last year, there was plenty of time before then for them to bring in another great players and that second to last contract he signed, he could have easily pulled a Dirk and signed for less money so they could either sign someone,sign a few guys or absorb a contract, there was many different things they could have done with that room. You can call his contract whatever you want, it does not matter because no matter what semantics you want to go with, it made it impossible for them to do anything with that roster.
The NBA owned the Pelicans, they did what was best to get an owner to purchase the team. Lakers are greedy, they shoulda never got Paul Gasol, and Kobes legacy woulda been 1/2 of what it is. Be happy the NBA allowed the Gasol trade.
The difference is The league didn't own Warrior then The league and other 29 teams co-owned the Hornets As the owners, they had every right to veto any trades
I hated the smugness of David Stern when he held that press conference. I'm not a Laker fan but Stern definitely put his finger on the scale for the Clippers.
oy vey!
i feel it but as a Lakers fan it worked out for us because as good as CP3 and Kobe would’ve been on the court, Pau did so much and continues to do so much for the Kobe and the Bryants off the court i wouldn’t have it any other way
@@uberneanderthal vote wow!
@@samurraiwarrior11 yeah, it's crazy that the Lakers thought keeping Bynum was the right decision there. Pau was obviously the better player and him with Kobe and Paul would've been a force to be reckoned with for several seasons.
@@samurraiwarrior11 Pau was only with the Lakers for two more years after this. This was after the two championships
A lesser known fact about this deal is after the trade was veto'd Lamar Odom fell apart emotionally because he couldn't believe the Lakers wanted to trade him. I really think it was the start of all his personal life issues as well.
Lol yeah THAT is why he done what he did.
I have heard that he had always had a substance abuse problem. I know it’s small, but he also couldn’t stay away from candy and always had some in the locker room
He should’ve understood anything’s possible and it’s a business. That sounds like a him problem.
An NBA player, in a league where trades are part of the game, had a mental breakdown and fell apart because he was sad about getting traded? 😂😂😂
Yeah really screwed the Mavs
Mark Cuban did an interview where he broke down the salary cap situation behind this and it was basically that the Lakers would have had Kobe, CP3, Howard and enough cap space for 2 max contracts. That would have been even more overpowered that the KD Warriors.
And let’s just say that the 2011 and 2012 free agency classes were stacked.
I dont get it. Were howard and cp on their rookie contracts or something
@@er7776 I don’t remember the exact details but I think it a combination of a cap increase, and other filler salary they could have dropped. Also the salary cap was way lower so a max contract was like $12M.
@@er7776 cp3 rookie contract was only 2 years 6.52 million and got extended to 4 years by the Hornets in the 2008 off season
Mark should have worried about putting better teams around Dirk, if he had been in a better organization he would have had way more rings.
@@Mclovinulongtime He's doing the same with Luka. He has a generational talent and he's Fu@#ing up already.
As a Laker fan I’m still pissed about this shit to this day. The Heatles were already formed, but CP3 and Kobe was supposedly too OP and bad for the league
Remember that Chris Paul is traded for Pau Gasol. That duo wont last
I know Gil says some dumb sh*t but have you seen arenas' explanation for this?
@@Andrew-ms8md what did he have to say about it?
@@johnwatsoniv384 the Lakers were also working a deal with Orlando for Dwight and Orlando wanted LA to take Gil so they could clear his contract then amnesty Hedo and clear basically all their cap space. But by doing that then LA would amnesty Gilbert and have $24M in cap. So it could have been CP, Kobe, Dwight and $24M. And if you look at salaries around that time. Guys like LeBron, Bosh, and Wade for instance were only making about $14M so add someone of that caliber and someone of tony Parker's caliber(because he was making about $10M at the time) and that's what the other owners noticed. So if Gilbert is to be believed, then they're lineup could have looked something like CP, Kobe, LeBron?, Lemarcus Aldridge?, Dwight. I just used LeBron and Aldridge because they're positions and salaries from that year matched up. Then the next year Kobe opts out of $24M and the Lakers can pass on bringing him back and have another $24M to bring in 2 more players on that level and they are 82-0 for 10 more years. The clip is on the "heat check" channel. Just search for Gilbert Arenas cp3 trade. Actually pretty interesting
heatles wasn’t even a team built around trades though, that was free agency. Bosh was a sign and trade so not even the same degree as this. So pretty irrelevant to compare
As a life long Laker fan who has been beyond spoiled by 3 different decades of extreme success, this Chris Paul nixed trade still hurts to this day. I always wonder if Kobe could've had a third title run in him despite his health issues if this trade had gone through. It also took the Lakers the better part of the next decade to recover from the nix.
People act like David Stern was trying to stop a Lakers superteam. No, wrong. The NBA league office was trying to properly manage the Hornets' team assets - which, given that the NBA owned the Hornets for about a year, that's what the NBA was *supposed* to do. This had nothing to do with the Lakers - the league had a unique responsibility to protect the Hornets' interests, regardless of how things panned out for the Hornets' trade partner.
Literally only guy in the comments section who knows what he’s talking about.
NBA didn’t want to own the hornets, they wanted a quick sale to a local buyer and keep the team in NO. Trading their only marketable superstar for peanuts doesn’t make sense when you’re trying to lure buyers.
The NBA vetoed this trade, because at the time they were the owners of the team and they didnt want to hurt the value of the Franchise. Something thats pretty common in soccer - within a selling process there is often a transfer ban. That being said, its no conspiracy against the Lakers
The irony is that the thing that David Stern really wanted to stop is commonplace in today's league with super teams being created. I know that we are leaving the super team era but he did not successfully stop it. And as a Lakers fan, I will never forgive him for what he did.
I mean you got your superteam anyway (before and since) so just chill ig
The NBA owned the New Orleans Hornets at the time. It wasn't just the NBA stepping in and saying no to a trade. They owned the team and could directly make that decision. Why does everyone routinely frame this veto as something more than what it is, which was just a team owner shooting down a trade deal from the general manager, something team owners routinely do?
Listen to Gilbert Arenas' explanation for those still upset. The lakers with this trade could've had a big 5 which would literally be too OP.
One of the biggest robberies in NBA history. If the trade went through Kobe more than likely wouldn't have had to overexert himself in his later years leading to his career ending injuries.
I find hilarious that people accused David Stern of being biased against the Lakers in this trade when he’s arguably the biggest Lakers homer of all time.
We’re taking about the same guy who rigged Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals against the Kings just to ensure the Lakers made the Finals.
That’s not on Stern, that’s on the refs. Refs have been caught before of having their own agenda, remember Tim Donaghy.
This all went down while I was away at school.
I recall that my (SF Bay Area) friends and I were furious about the initial CP3 trade because we felt like the Lakers were jettisoning bad contracts and getting CP3 in return. At no point did we feel like the Lakers were giving away equal value. In essence, if you get the best player and the cap space you need to sign more players, that's a big win for your team. The only thing that would have made it better for the Lakers is if they were also somehow getting draft picks back.
My Lakers fan friends' reactions to the trade (and subsequent reaction to the veto) confirmed our suspicions and told those of us who grew up in the Bay Area that LA fans were thinking the same thing (only were initially very happy because they were benefitting from it).
I think you really skipped over the part that the lockout had ended earlier that same day, and that within hours the Lakers had fleeced the Hornets,making the league look kind of bad after months of back & forth negotiations between the league and the players union
exactly. most people dont even know this.. Basically it was forbidden to even have talks during that time and suddenly the trade was made? they pulled off a sneaky one
cp3 going to the lakers would’ve given kobe his 6th ring 😢
lol no shot. chuckerbe can't share the ball with a real point guard, we already saw that failed experiment with Nash
@@uberneanderthal the reason why that expiremnet failed was because nash was past his prime and he had back injuries. Their coaching wasnt the same either. They fired Mike Brown then Barkerstaff but also fired him again and hired Mike D Antoni. Core pieces like Fisher and Odom etc left the team and howard injuries which he suffered from
@@uberneanderthal you don’t know what you’re talking about
We're they gonna lose Pau and Odom? Cp3 and Kobe ain't a guaranteed ring
@@BayAreaHoops415 yeah pau and odom would be traded to get cp3
wish this went through
Another thing worth noting: If the Pelicans got the Lakers package, due to having Lamar Odom, they may win too many games to get Anthony Davis
The Cavs get AD instead to put him alongside Kyrie and Tristian Thompson, Lebron probably still comes back to Cleveland in 2014, as the Cavs clear cap for him, and it’s interesting to think if the Cavs would’ve traded for Love still or kept AD (they probably keep AD IMO)
Also the 2012 Lakers probably get the 2 seed and thus still lose in the 2nd round in 7 to OKC
The draft lottery was, has, and always will be fixed
I think if Harden stays in OKC, OKC wins in 2014 and 2016, if KD stay’s probably in 2018.
He’ll leave in 2019 for Brooklyn with Kyrie for a new challenge still
Another scenario is Harden in Phoenix as the Suns had plenty of assets at around that time
3:27 no that's not the entire story is it?
The entire story is the GM was tasked with making small moves, anything major the owners had to vote on doing because they were paying to keep the franchise alive. This trade was never veto'd, the concept of the trade was voted on and it didnt pass vote. And for further reference, only 2 owners/GMs voted "yes" (cuban and whoever represented Portland), the other 27 voted "no", Stern just delivered the information.
I hate this story because of how much people get wrong. Its always made out to be this situation where a trade was proposed everyone accepted and then the mean old nba stepped in and said "no!", even when fairly accurate details are given people still try to make it sound like this, like in this video where we don't include very vital information.
The owners were 100% right that the Chris Paul compensation was too little. Really glad this trade was vetoed.
I hate the way people cover this story for easy clicks lol they literally were the proxy owners, I wanted CP in LA as much as anyone but the owners have every right to tell the GM nah
They really blocked chris Paul from a ring💀
Stern didn't want any player to pass his boy Jordan in Chips while he was in charge.
finally someone says it, this is exactly why. stern wanted to protect his poster child of the NBA. you can wrap it with any color paper this is the real reason why he vetod
@@iwatchtoomuchhaikyuu5307 Jordan never played with someone like Paul tho. However, for me, Kobe was more skillful than Jordan and Lebron but he was selfish and a bad playmaker, that hurt his legacy. Also he played in the hardest era of nba, nowadays he would have been considered the goat
They Robbed Kobe and CP3 of possible multiple chips. Kobe might not have injured his Achilles if he had CP3 taking some of the load.
I hate the way this story is covered by so many people because if any other owner told his GM not to do a trade they wanted it would be such a non story.
They were the proxy owners.
I wanted to see CP and Kobe as much as anyone, I love Kobe but holy cow this has been a non-story since 2012
Of course lakers fans are mad about this, but you forgot one very important detail! The whole purpose of that lockout was player movement and forming super teams! The lebron super team was just formed the summer before and created a huge imbalance within the league which was the topic of discussion during the lockout. When the lockout ended and this trade was forced through by the literal face of super teams (lakers) And they received the best player from a organization that didn't even have an owner at the time was straight armed robbery and completely wiped out the whole purpose of the lockout negotiations that they just finished. Had no choice but to veto and thats 100% truth.
I was watching something that showed tat had the cp3 trade gone down it would have also given the lakers 2 max slots in addition to having cp3 and Kobe.
The Gilbert Arenas explanation also sheds some light on this. His math is a little off, and who was a free agent then is off, but the basis of what he’s saying, e.g. the Max slots available to LA the next couple of years is on point.
It wouldn’t even be that big of a deal because Kobes lakers was never a super star even with CP.
And then you see legit super teams all around the league starting to pop up and nba said nothing.
It is really like the nba and the media had something against Kobe
Kinda wild how much this trade affected the Lakers behind the scenes as well as on the court. If it had gone through the Lakers probably wouldn't have all those losing seasons meaning some guys would still have their jobs, D'antoni would have been able to at least add a couple years as head coach, Jim Buss and Mitch Kupcheck might still be with the team, Jim Buss might have actually had some leverage in that whole power struggle against Jeannie for ownership, Magic and Pelinka wouldn't have taken front office roles, Lebron and AD might not be on the Lakers or hell maybe we would've saw Lebron and Kobe together with all the pieces they on the table, who knows?
Wow you remember a lot of little details about this whole situation that everyone forgot about. If you didn't remember this, you researched it VERY well. Either way, I'm beyond impressed
NBA doesn't have power to veto any trades
But the owner of the team does, which the league and all other 29 teams co-owned the hornets
If I were the owner of some other team, I would not want the trade to go through
Let us not forget this was the year of the "amnesty" and I'm gonna preface what I'm about to say by saying yes I know Gilbert Arenas says wild, dumb stuff all the time but his explanation on this could be true and very logical as to why the league vetoed this trade. A one time ever veto happening under one time ever circumstances makes a lot of sense
Before watching the video from what i remember The league owned the Hornets. So they had every right to reject/veto the trade. If i owned the team at that moment i would had rather have an up and coming potential star in Eric Gordon and a good young wing Al-Farouq Aminu and a 1st over what the lakers offered. The leagued own the team when it happened simple as that and people still crying over it.
People always forget this and think stern just fucked over the lakers for no reason
the lakers offer was pure trash.. Not only were they aging but Odom and Martins contracts were just bad that it would hold the Pelicans a few years back. Like why would they suffer mediocrity with decling veterans when they can just do a complete overhaul with young first round players for CHEAPS. The only good they would have gotten was Dragic
I think the fact that Lakers fans talk about this veto like the league robbed them of multiple titles shows that it was in fact a good trade to veto. They are upset because they knew how lopsided this deal was and how much it would have helped them out. Haven't seen a single Pelicans or Rockets fan complain about this vetoed trade which also speaks volumes to how great it was for the Lakers specifically.
Jeanie buss said the trade was vetoed cuz the did it when they wasn’t supposed to cuz nobody else could do trade and sign free agents etc. and when they could they already traded Lamar Odom to Dallas which was a huge part of the trade package
There was a lot of other stuff going too. The rumor at the time was the Lakers had a deal in place to get a PF to replace Pau Gasol using a big trade exception that they would have gotten in the CP3 trade. There was also belief that the Lakers had enough capital left to make a Dwight Howard trade that off-season and not the next as Dwight I believe was going back and forth with a trade demand and he had wanted to play with Chris Paul.
David Stern wanted Lebron to have a chance to be 'the guy' clearly the league had felt that Kobe had enough championships... and Lebron was the guy who was the future. It's more proof that pro sports are all semi-rigged. We all know this, we all know they want to see Lebron, Curry, Kobe, Duncan, Durant, Wade, etc. in the finals. Noone wants to see Utah vs Denver in the conference finals let alone something like Portland vs Indiana in the finals, cough cough 2000 rig job, or Sacramento vs New Jersey in the finals, again, rig job 2002.
The Lakers are my 2nd favorite franchise after my home franchise but, I admit that they got karma here. They got 2 titles they never shoulda got in 2000 and 2002, and then they got titles likely taken away and handed to Miami Spurs, Dallas, in the next few years before Kobe was aging/injured. The guy who really loses here is Chris Paul, period. Hes been injured a lot in the playoffs and he's choked A LOT in his career but still, I think he would have won in the Lakers.
The Pau Gasol trade was also bullshit
Love your videos
Your videos are absolutely amazing, and I really hope that you continue having success in the future.
I was really excited when New Orleans first got the Hornets. But I've come to hate the fact that the only purpose of this franchise is to draft great players and trade them to the Lakers for more draft picks.
The best part about this trade getting veto'd is that the lakers got screwed. lmao you love to see it
That’s because the NBA OWNED THE TEAM. The NBA does not typically OWN THE TEAMS.
Can you make a video on the Stepien Rule and the Cavs owner?
Nowadays, this trade would be welcome in the league. It's kinda like how D'Antoni was making Melo and the Knicks shoot nothing but 3's during this time, and the whole league was like "lol that's not basketball"
of course it would be welcomed. the nba doesnt own a team anymore. duh
League has made it harder on the Lakers but the nerds on twitter say the league helps us 😊
Whatever, the way I see it it’s kinda justice for the League robbing the Kings of a title in 2002, even though they were the ones who did it.
Another factor you didn't mention: one of the main reasons the league gave for vetoing the trade was that they didn't want to congregate all of the stars in big markets like LA. Then the league approves a trade to the other team in LA. David Stern is probably the worst commissioner in NBA history
League owned the team and wanted to sell it to new ownership. Trading the teams only star would have made that more difficult. THAT is the only reason the trade was killed.
Laker fans just make up lies to cope, I swear.
In other words, the owner (NBA) at the last minute decided not to trade. I don't see any problems with it. NOLA would be a mediocre team after the trade, and unable to land the first pick next year (Anthony Davis).
The veto led to New Orleans drafting Anthony Davis in 2012 because they got such a horrible team. Once the Lakers got Anthony Davis in 2019, I stopped being pissed about the veto.
3:50 "this unbalanced the league in a really dramatic way"
KD in 2016: :)))))))))
Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant one best duo NBA history if happen 🤣😂🤣
Theres a article from ESPN that talks about the almost made trade where many owners actually saw the trade as a way to disrupt the balance of the league which would have allowed the lakers get chris Paul and no draft picks in return. How David stern even got pressure from owners like Dan Gilbert and mark Cuban etc
You have the dates mixed up. The Chris Paul and Dwight trades happened back to back. That's why Mitch was so upset, of which he reiterated after Jeanie ended up firing him a decade later.
The trade had been approved by the NBA and stern, he only went back and veto it because of the pressure from all the small market teams complained , the lakers where about to also trade for Dwight also , so they saw a 3 headed monster and didn’t want a major market having another dynasty , also the lakers would have had money to spend on a 4th star. This didn’t go well with the peasant franchises in the league.
Not true at all. Literally everything you said is BS.
The NBA owned the Hornets at the time, only time in league history, and they were trying to sell it to an owner who would keep the team in New Orleans. Trading their only star and only reason the fans show up to the games would have soured potential owners to buying the team.
Was upset about this Vetoed trade and still is.
And when the Watriors got KD without getting vetoed it got me a lot more pissed off.
I mean they did that veto because of “competition reasons” 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The Veto was only possible because the league own the Hornets.. the league doesn't have power to just veto trades and free agency signings because they feel like it
Durant joined in free agency. Completely different than a league owned team vetoing a bad trade.
Everything is a conspiracy but the main fact about this is the hornets were owned by the NBA at the time. They didn’t have a owner so the NBA had to act in place of the owner and they made the decision
This event made me hate CP3 through no fault of his own
I wish okc had traded Westbrook instead of harden. Westbrook to clippers for blake griffin.
Clippers don't need cp3 now, dallas or knicks get chris paul?
Dallas pairing Dirk and cp3 to stay relevant. Knicks pairing cp3 with Tyson Chandler bc it was a good link up in New Orleans
The fact that this trade got vetoed and KD was allowed to go to the Warriors is the biggest sham ever. I will never be a hardcore NBA fan because of this.
the flaw in your logic is the injuries part... injuries arent destiny, a player getting an injury at one team, isnt guaranteed to be injured at another team if they were traded there.
I blame stern, For me if the trade went thru, it might prolong the career of Kobe.
The lakers getting bailed out in a massive way at the trade deadline this year should’ve gotten vetoed and don’t even bother trying to tell me it shouldn’t have.
As a Nola fan. I’m still mad about this. I wanted CP3 on the lakers 😭
You aren’t a Nola fan, you’re just a Lakers bandwagon fan.
@@stephenenns1386 well I live in Nola. And how I’m a bandwagon laker fan if I haven’t even pulled for them since Bron got there? Shut ya mouth lah boy don’t know me
The fact that people can watch this video and still say "But the NBA won't veto blah blah blah" THE NBA DOESNT OWN THE TEAM INVOLVED IN TRADES TODAY. THE NBA WERE THE OWNERS OF THE HORNETS.
Well yeah cause the league owned the team involved lmao, that’s why. We all know about this entire thing
7:32 bro did this guy just say "the oneth seed in the west" ?
If not Gasol trade, CP3 trade would've never gotten vetoed.
I hate people hearing this story and getting it twisted that the NBA vetoed it because the team would have been overpowered. That is true! But what is also true is that the NBA was the interim owner of the Hornets so they every right to decide not to trade CP3. It wasn’t a “veto” as much as it was the team owners deciding not to go through with a trade. Whatever the other pressures were, it’s not like the NBA made some unilateral move they shouldn’t have been able to make in the first place.
Nah the reason is quite literally that they would have been over powered lol. You can look up vids on where Gilbert arenas talks about how the lakers would’ve had upwards of 20 million in cap space after the cp3 and Dwight trades. At the time, that would have been enough for two all star level players in free agency. Cp3, Kobe, Dwight and two other all stars. Think about it, the trade they actually took from the clippers was worse from an asset standpoint. Lakers trade gave the hornets more players, AND more picks.
@@Leodoesthings23 don’t get it twisted, I understand the reason is that it would’ve been an overpowered team. As interim owner however, the NBA chooses where it sends its players, who it does trade business with and who it doesn’t. If Mark Cuban didn’t want to send lula to the lakers because that would make them too strong contenders, he has every right to choose who to trade with who not to.
@@Leodoesthings23 hahahha you really think the lakers offer was better? 2 mediocre vets with bad contracts for what? they are not contending. Better to just rebuild totally with young talents for CHEAPS.. Seriously, the highest salary from that Clips trade was Kaman which is only even 10K.. they basically have 3 high drafted players within top 10 and will get 1 first round pick via Min.
@@rossejera1661 You saying the clips trade was better cause they got less assets lol. They could have just traded the players the got in the cp3 trade versus just losing them for nothing.
@@Leodoesthings23 lol you dont think do you? they had more quality assets for CHEAPS.. Both Gordon and Aminu (top draft players) were on entry level contracts. Even if Kaman didnt work out, he was only for 10m and has an expiring contract. And plus they had their biggest asset which is a top 1st round pick. This sets them up for a complete rebuild using the draft and cap space for free agency, which is more lucrative for the new owner. Now go look how much those 3 declining vets are worth.. You say "they could have traded".. for what? 2nd round draft picks and chump change? cause they aint worth that much.. They even retired after 2-3 years. Only good asset was Dragic
I remember being so confused when I seen the veto lol
This is literally time travel you touch something and everything would change
Becauase giving kobe a prime chris paul woulda been too op
stern just wanted to extend Kobe’s championship window
Stern stopped this but let the Celtics and Heat form a super team. Okay.
People are still mentioning Arenas explanation to why it was veto. How about you listen to Jennie Buss interview in All the Smoke. She literally broke the events that lead to the trade being veto. It's a more convincing explanation than Arenas.
Jaylen Brown your next video Sporting Logically 🙏🙏🙏
Bri g a rockets fan I’m glad it didn’t go through harden gave us some really good years
it got vetoed cause of the cap space they could of got anyone they wanted in free agency
So basically the acting owners stopped the trade because it was such a bad trade. David Stern was being a good owner. I see no issue.
The GM of the hornets wanted to make the trade. The league owned the hornets. The owners of the hornets did not want that trade. The GM of the hornets was not allowed to make that trade. There was no veto. The trade simply was not desired by the hornets.
You look like the Irish uncle off Luka idk but u can’t unsee it now
Orlando Magic
Yet they allowed Lebron, Bosh, and Wade sign on the same team the year prior.
Kobe could’ve had that last ring 🤦🏾♂️
I mean, maybe if he didnt take 25 mill a year his last few years he could have another two or three rings.
If we had cp3 he wouldn’t have had to play as much and wouldn’t have gotten injured
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 No Star Player was going to the Lakers. The roster was horrible and Kobe's Injuries were getting worse. They tried to get Carmelo in '14 FA, which he considered but ended up passing and re-signed with the Knicks. That was their last hope for a Star Player. So, Kobe's contract was a loyalty contract. Kobe was still selling out arenas.
@@anthonysanchez5997 but you still have people thinking LA is a free agent destination which I'm not saying isn't true but its overstated.
@@anthonysanchez5997 Kobe's injuries didnt get notably bad until the second to last year, there was plenty of time before then for them to bring in another great players and that second to last contract he signed, he could have easily pulled a Dirk and signed for less money so they could either sign someone,sign a few guys or absorb a contract, there was many different things they could have done with that room.
You can call his contract whatever you want, it does not matter because no matter what semantics you want to go with, it made it impossible for them to do anything with that roster.
The NBA owned the Pelicans, they did what was best to get an owner to purchase the team. Lakers are greedy, they shoulda never got Paul Gasol, and Kobes legacy woulda been 1/2 of what it is. Be happy the NBA allowed the Gasol trade.
🤷🏻♂️nobody would give a shit if any team but the lakers got vetoed. It was a terrible trade for the hornets. League made the right move.
That was a crazy few hrs. Cp a laker
I don’t get how they won’t let that go through not they’ll let Kevin Durant go play with CP3, d book, Ayton like what?
Oh so its no different than an owner saying no to a trade...
You’re forgetting the Kobe trade to the Mavs
"Basketball reasons"
Dude I was so pissed when this happened. This was straight bullshit
Chris Paul could've had a ring.
No bling Chris Paul. Highly overrated, and yet here we are talking about him again…
What every piece of the Russell Westbrook trades
Crazy how they wouldnt let this happen but let that warrior team happen smh
The difference is The league didn't own Warrior then
The league and other 29 teams co-owned the Hornets
As the owners, they had every right to veto any trades
Majority of the Warriors team was homegrown talent
@@sasquatchhunter86 thats besides the point
The NBA ruined Chris Paul's career
But will give their princess lebron anything his little heart ever desired
it is not a veto and you said that yourself multiple times. it’s simply a trade that fell through because all teams actually did not agree
if you and kenny made a vid together even just bs’ing i’d watch it 6 times at least