What If MICHAEL JORDAN Played In The Modern NBA?
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- What If Michael Jordan Played Basketball In Today's NBA?
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Without 84 Jordan, lebron never falls in love with basketball and he goes on to play football instead
Moreno12 straight facts
Or soccer. Lmao. The way he flops
@@algladyou or he'll be in some Mexican telenovela, because he's also a drama queen
Um lebrons favorite player was ai he said that saying that ai represents what black kids are about
@@vkirua8193 the why does he wear 23, why does he say he was chasing the ghost in chicago, why is he so obsessed in chasing rings, why is he producing space james 2?
Make a video "If Draymond Green kicked a player in the nuts during the 90's"
Nobody would talk about it or whine like you in the 90's
+Connor Mead or he would get the shit beaten out of him by the other players... Smh why you comin at me thinkin I'm all soft and shit. Fuck outta here
+Connor Mead it was obviously a joke
Hodor.
oh he would get torn apart for all the illegal screens he sets way b4 he could kick somebody in the balls lol
This was a great simulation except for one MAJOR plot hole... Kobe’s play style is modeled after Jordan’s, move for move. I wonder if Kobe would have been as skilled if he didn’t have Jordan to model after.
its not easy to copy jordan....even myself and others have tried....Kobe is the true clone of jordan....i didnt hate kobe but we could have made or add other moves like jordan took from Dr J and made is own moves....the diference between jordan and kobe its that natural instinct of not losing a fucking playoofs finals....he was a leader...he was rude he was beating people but i guess for u to be the best you have to be there and only there on top.....like it or not...we will never see a player with that mentality....thats why jordan is still the goat
@@celsoalexandre9118 amen
@@celsoalexandre9118 yeah if lebron had less faith in scrubs like old Jr and other crap Cavs players they might've won an extra chip but Jordan would still be the goat
Kobe is modelled on second three peat old Jordan. First three peat and prime Jordan there is no carbon copy
celso alexandre rip Kobe
There is a flaw in this system... Dwight Howard Unfortunately would never have been able to play with Michael Jordan and his intensity. Howard has proven that he just doesn’t take criticism well AT ALL. Jordan would have been “too tough” on him.
Howard went to the finals. He’s been 2-3x DPOY. Dude is a freak of nature. He’s on my 2nd team all time.
fc_jwhy ur tripping hard af if he’s in your top 2 centers
or maybe he just didnt care. he's making money and getting laid. also depends on how you define tough...1 on 1 ball...mj would probably win skills wise but if dwight wanted to really hurt jordan by being tough...you'd have to be dumb to bet against dwight. there is a reason why combat sports have weight classes. if you think 80s and 90s..they actually tried to hurt and be tough with jordan ...you my friend need a reality check. how many times was jordan busted open?? look at how van fleet was busted open a month ago on an inadvertent elbow and ask yourself why jordan didnt bleed when everybody went for him hard. at a certain age, you have to realize we were at a very impressionable age when jordan played and that clouds our nostalgia A LOT
@@Futballr420 This guy isn't even a top 10 center. The centers back in the day were insane.
@@salman13 thats not what they mean by tough, their probably aiming at the point that Howard and Kobe didnt work because Kobe called Howard soft cause of his work etich etc... I just dont think Howard would fit on a team with Jordan the same way he didnt fit with Kobe, he dont have that mentality
what if the best team from each franchise played at the same time??
Kal Stewart good idea
Kal Stewart badass
Lechoking Since 2003 lol
Kal Stewart good shit
Kal Stewart this would be great
I guess Kevin durant just fucking died lol wtf happened to OKC in this
u mean sonics
better yet what happened to the bobcats
+Edgar Saldivar their owner suddenly joined the NBA as a player
CTFU!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂....Rite....
if u payed attention one time in the east and west records it showed that the Bobcats went 7-59
Hey Guys,
When I hit 100,000 subscribers, I knew I had to make you guys a video that showed my appreciate for your overwhelming support. The growth that our community has had is nothing short of INSANE. And so, when thinking of a topic for my 100k special, I decided that I didn't want to do something cliche like a Q&A. I decided that I wanted to give you guys the content you want, and the videos you guys most request are my What If Videos. So as a thank you for 100,000 subscribers, I created this What If for you. It was definitely the hardest video I have ever made, as I had to go back 12 seasons as well as add a completely new player into the modern NBA. But it was definitely worth it, because I know you guys will enjoy it. So again thank you, you guys are the best supporters in the world.
Mike
PS. It's crazy to say, but it looks like I'm going to hit 200k in the not so distant future. With another milestone in mind, I wanted to know what you guys think of me creating another channel when I hit 200k for videos that do not fit on this channel. On my other channel I could do some funny videos like "Reacting to my old videos" (Trust me, I have TONS of cringy old videos) and also do some vlogs when I do something cool and play some NBA 2k. Let me know if you guys are interested, and if you are I'll make it happen!
mike do what if james harden was never traded or melo was never traded
Dude ik you are going to be a huge TH-camer, you'll be so big you'll run out of ideas for what ifs, then you'll have to play 2k for us hahah anyway great video
thanks Mike! your awesome
nice achievement Mike, my friend and I we're actually talking about your Jordan video on why he isn't human and had a fun talk. I'm all up for watching you play 2k and hope to play you sometime
PS. where's my what if Granger never got hurt and pg13 was never discovered and cp3 switched with Dwill draft lol
+Mike Korzemba How do you do these
The thing is Michael Jordan has such a drive for success that he could make any era his own
What?
nor really, I am pretty positive that if MJ would of play modern basketball, he would of been just like a normal elite player.
Skill tho?
@@CARLOUS-gt5iu nah more defense then then offense too tho loll dummy smh.
taco BS he would’ve been a better derozen offensively
Great simulation. Only problem is Jordan loosing 2 NBA Finals? That would never happen.
I agree, he was so dominant of a player, he overcame those areas to make them non factors. Jordan is/was just on a whole other level, people who weren't there to be part of it just don't understand the things he did as they happened.
+Lucixir Well said friend. I'm so grateful to have been old enough to vividly remember how great MJ really was, and to see how fierce of a champion he really was. Being old enough to see the highs and lows of the NBA since the Jordan era, I don't hate on Lebron or Curry but there's really no comparison. Kobe is the closest there ever was to Mike and he's not even a close second.
Jordan lost plenty of playoff series. Would his team win against Bad Boy Pistons in 1990 if they met in the finals?
+ozandenizgunu Besides 1995 to the Magic after his comeback...He didn't loose a playoff series from 1991 till 1998.
it's a team sport
Kobe wouldn't have been as good as he was. He wouldn't be able to use Jordan as a blueprint and copy his moves from a young age
ups guvnah YES YES YES PREACH
Did Jordan not copy those from other great players before him as well...
Car Ramrod Kobe stole each and every one of MJ’s moves and he is also talking about the simulation
He didn't copy moves but he did look up to stars like David "Skywalker" Thompson and Dr. J.
Mike was a mentor to Kobe. Not sure who the originator of this quote but "Good artist borrow, great artist steal; I'm great because I stand on the shoulders of giants".
If Jordan played in the modern era then what would happen from the 80s and 90s without Jordan ???
ThatBoyRaww 1 the jazz would have 2 championships
Knickerbockers would have at least one too!
ThatBoyRaww 1 easy iverson or kobe would take over
Seatle and jazz will won championship.
ThatBoyRaww 1 the lakers might have won another or maybe the pistons, the jazz would have multiple titles Seattle would probably have one the Knicks to maybe and Phoenix and Portland
What if BRIAN SCALABRINE played in the 1950's NBA?
chendaddy White Mamba!!!! He might make a starting rotation.
@@justinrakestraw4142 nah he would average about 292,322,232,323,654,343 points, assists and rebounds per game before the infamous "scal" rule which permitted scal and scal only to not be able to shoot, pass, or move in front of the opposition's hoop. but, he only average 30 points rebounds and assists less
@@jayvader9023 There is no way he would've averaged 292,322,232,323,654,343 points, assists and rebounds per game.
Like c'mon, he'd average WAY more. 501,324,679,211,765,900,104,502,965 points, assists, rebounds, steals, and blocks. At LEAST.
chendaddy SCALABRINE back to back rookie of the year
@@jayvader9023 what cimes after zillions other wise it cant be read. Or can it. Somebody execellent in Math help solve this
What if Jordan never left to play baseball and stayed with the Bulls..... 8-peat?
most likely wouldn't, because Hakeem was hungry for championships and was the most dominant player at the time. He also lost Horace Grant (a key player when he 3-peated), and got swept in the 95 semi-Conferece finals against the Magic (the team Horace Grant signed with).
TH-cam's official W/L referee if jordan would never have retired they would have definitely won 8 straight. They lost to the magic after his retirement when he had taken over a year off and he was still rusty from his "baseball" experiment. Nobody was more hungry than mike in any era.
They wouldn't, rockets had the bulls' number back then
Nah bruh gotta disagree, jordan never went to a game 7 in the finals. That rocket team u talking about took 7 games to get rid of the knicks, which jordan always beat.
Yep, the Bulls had problems with the Rockets.
He decided KD wasn't good enough to be drafted in '07
Caleb Denton Thought I was the only one who noticed this. Guess KD was chopped liver or something. 😒
I don't think you understand. He named the top picks that changed teams. KD goes to Seattle still. Thus, no special mention for KD
They don’t allow snakes in the draft
THE_LAG_GOD what about LeBUM
@@Lotta-Boost exactly! What about him
Bird would dominate in the league now. lol are you kidding me? what idiot thinks he would be a scrub? lol
A 6'10 " power forward(cause that's where they would play him now) with almost unlimited range, great passing instincts, solid to above average rebounding which in today's game would be magnified because of his toughness, and a guy who could guard magic Johnson and even Michael Jordan when he was past his prime with a bad back. Yeah I'm sure no team would want that. Aren't stretch 4's all the rage right now? As for questions about speed. If Luis Scola can even make a playoff bound raptors team with his speed at 36 much less start, then Bird would be able to run with these guys no problem, especially before his back problems
defensively he would be worse. Not athletic enough for fast paced modern NBA defensively. Would still be amazing offensively
Lakeshow nba. Hold this L. Bird would be horrible defensively? Do you watch basketball smh. And I'd start bird at the Sf postion, then sometimes play him at Pf. If bird were on the celtics
Thomas
Bradley
Bird
Sully
Johnson
58-24
+Jesus-is LORD wasn't even alive in 80s but from what I've seen he doesn't have much athleticism or strength... I think he would easily get crossed up by the many elite PGs in the league.
+Jesus-is LORD that's Y I think he would be WORSE defensively in today's league.. this era has the most physical strength + athleticism by far
If Michael Jordan hadn't played when he did, half the NBA players of the more recent era, including Iverson (who would likely have gone to the NFL), would probably not even have played basketball, and therefore not be in the simulation.
And this is the true impact of Michael Jordan on the game, and why he is truly the greatest of all time: he made the NBA what it is today, and had the greatest positive effect on the game, ever.
This is the true main point. He was the reason everyone was watching basketball from 87 onward. People were watching him to see him win or to hope he would lose. Basketball would never have risen to its prominence it has had since then. And even after he retired, the world was already hooked and there were still lots of prominent players to watch. It seems to me that the NBA has run out of such players since then.
What if Jordan's dad pulled out
no chill haha
😂😂😂
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Nike wouldn't exist
+Rpp Wing nike? You mean the jordan shoe brand?
If Jordan played in the modern nba he'd probably have a neck tatt.
😂
Jajajajajja
Never. he is smooth as silk.
Lol yes he would!?
Lmao
I think this dude mike deserves his own show on like SC or ESPN or something because he's just golden, I get notifications on a new video you upload and I get instantly hyped from it lol it would be great to see you do things like this on tv
That would be sick! Thanks for supporting my man
+Mike Korzemba no doubt man, keep up the great work and sick videos!
with ya all the way on that one!
almost 200k man keep it up
Facts
4:56 "Michael Jodan"
wat
TWB Lol
I see what u did here.
Jordan = Jordan
Roy = Pippen
Dwight = Rodman
Scola = Kukoc
Deng = Longley
Korver = Kerr
korver is better then kerr. Pippen>roy
Jimmy=Pippen
there may be infinite parallel worlds out there and in kerr is better player in all of them
Gabe Lipsitz you mean Jordan = Kerr right
If Jordan played today he would still be the greatest. If he never played, the game would not have evolved as quickly. One of a kind in every way. No other like him.
Chris Peterkin really good point. A lot of players that are in the game today wouldn't even be there without MJ's influence on the game. He changed the NBA.
Moral of the story,MJ would destroy anyone any team in today's basketball
Infamous Tom Not for sure though because in this NBA you're allowed to play zone defense. MJ even said he wouldn't have had the career he did if Zone defense was aloud in his time period.
Zone Defense is the reason why Lebron Was ass in the 2011 finals
Agreed.
airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/
MJ played against zone defense in college and faired well, in a controlled Dean Smith system (winning 2 POY awards). Also, the zone plays into a strength of Jordan, it opens up for a good mid-range jumpshot shooter. Good try friend.
"Drrrick Rose becomes a trailblazer"
Fitting.
If MJ played in today's game he would be even faster, stronger & more athletic than he ever was before.
exactly because of all the new training technology and stuff
Nick Sylve my point exactly
Same with wilt they would be scary
+mrslick58 wilt would be stronger than bron
+EJ Atienza wilt already is stronger than lebron
When you mentioned the top SG during the '03 season, you forgot a certain someone who averaged 32ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.5 apg and was considered the top SG at that time. His name? Tracy McGrady.
J.P. Czerniak she
One thing everyone forget to mention is MIchael Jordan IS the most technically sound player of basketball till now… His technique was flawless… so given the modern times , he still has a significant edge over everyone,, back in his time, when the game was more hard, jordan rules, bad boy pistons, and tough refrees , he was still able to reach the rim… Today it will be a cakewalk for him … he will find a way for sure to beat every obstacle
Very true
Jordan can’t even dribble the ball by todays standard 😂
@@roverjohnson6854what ya yappin bout my boy?
@@roverjohnson6854 *lebron. #1 in turnovers per game? lebron
Y’all can chill we all know if Brian Scalabrine was in this Modern Nba he’d be averaging 157.7 ppg 57 assists 89 rebounds 45 blocks and 77 steals a game and also a
101x champ 263 all nba first team 507 time mvp and he’d be better than Jordan
I think you're looking for the "What If Brian Scalabrine Played in the 1950's" simulation.
A 7-foot "freak athlete" who can shoot 3-poin--I mean, very long 2-pointers 23 feet away from the basket.
Dead meme
@@chendaddy Wilt was bigger with better conditioning and a 36-42 vertical.
Rian Villareal scalabrine the goat 😂😂
And with 99% from 3
This is actually funny from one stand point of view - without Jordan it wouldn't be Kobe, there wouldn't be Spurs, Allan Iverson and many others who propably wound't went to NBA or wouldn't even be playing basketball if not for Jordan. So the league now is somewhat modelled by him.
He was such an incredible athlete, that in Europe, even in my native Poland ordinary people would wear Bulls caps every day. He was and will be legendary not because how many rings he had, but because he made this sport one of the coolest and most entartainig thing on this planet. You can call him the God of Sports.
And going back to question from the title - I think he would still dominate. Just look at how he figured out and destroyed Carter in his prime at age 38.
It's almost impossible to compare, without the bad boys pistons, Jordan would've been less great. He did say that himself, how they impacted his style of play and mindset
+deXter2 So your saying the whole dynamics of the league would be different if Jordan never came??.
I think exactly the same
deXter2 I
ZackaryR Gambrell Maybe he wouldn't have even play the game of basketball but another sport with another idol.
can u do one if LeBron played in the old era?
Truhb4sho JORDAN'S ERA WAS FILLED WITH CUPCAKES!!! LEBRON WOULD WIN 10 RINGS!!!
Ewing in the 40's!
chrispin who? hulk hooligan? You are an Idiot
cakesandpi lebron stronger than 85% of players in that era
DefinitelyNOTJordan so if Lebron played in 80s he would have training,practice and suplements from nowdays...you think Lebron will look like in 80s like today??? This is not time traveling...Cristiano Ronaldo in Pele era would be skinny bitch...Now do you imagine what would do Jordan with nowdays conditions,suplements and rules?
What if Kobe was found guilty of rape
his career is ruined
Yes!!!!
More like what if Kobe played like trash durring that trial? Like Dave Chappelle said "every body in LA would of been like that N***** is guilty"
That would be suck. I hated Kobe for several seasons, but after all he is not that bad, I will miss him and his scoring show(only in season game of course).
LMFAO
if jordan played in the modern era he will be the face of the apple products😂😂😂air apple 1
Now you need to do a video if Michael Jordan never existed, like who would have won all of the titles i the 90s
Jazz would have
+Daniel Laughlin or knicks, or rockets, the list goes on
Makes me sad to even think of the NBA without Jordan
Patrick Ewing would have at least two rings.
+LIVEFRMNYC he could've had one but no, he wanted to layup instead of dunking the ball like any 7footer would do.
Omg I can't even imagine how magic bird and mj would've DESTROYED today's league lol
thaRealFlamez I agree imagine with all the new excercise programs, personal trainers etc. paired with there basketball IQs it would be insane
bird would not, MJ would
Michael Jackson lmao bird would destroy the league
neither one for them would just destroy the league today.
I completely agree. No way either LeBron's last-year Cavs or the 2 years-ago, overrated Warriors beats the '87 Lakers, '86 Celtics, or the '96 Bulls. Maybe not even that Moses and Doctor J team with Cheeks and Toney and Bobby Jones, or the Bad Boy Pistons. Ike and Dumars would've destroyed the W's back-court, and their front line would've taken Draymond out of the equation. The only x-factor there is KD, but I tend to think Laimbeer, Salley, Mahorn, and Rodman would give him all he could handle. Lots of fouls to give at the FW position; KD is one of my favorite modern playas, but like 6'11' and 205 pounds. He's got a George 'Iceman' Gervin-type build. The more I watch old Bird highlights, the more I'm aware of what a talented player he truly was, and I'm saying that as a life-long Lakers fan, as well as a guy who hated the Celtics. The one guy I thing might have been as good then as he is now is my man Russell Westbrook, because of his insane athleticism. Not to take anything away from LBJ, because we've never seen anything like him, but it is, after all, a team game.
You should have the "What if the 90's Bulls played in the modern NBA?"
*95'
+Chris Paul 90's includes 95
+Ethan Lasisomphone Hah. 😂
Buy 2k and do it yourself lol.
I really like that idea.
What? Jordan losing in the Finals? Blasphemy!
Steven A Smith: Am i a joke to you
he would with those teams
@@eduardopoceros7737 MJ is good in forging team skills i know they'll come around
Cheeze Zlayer He should do one that says “what if Jordan was drafted by the Cleveland Cavaliers in 2003” and had the same teammates as lebron
@@enterzync2630
Then Cleveland is lucky to have Jordan in their team not just that he will carry them but also he himself will inculcate good knowledge and work ethics to these young bloods! to be good solid team players and world champions!
w/c is very very different in bron
Bird would not be average let alone a scrub, have you ever saw him play...His game IQ, passing and shooting were world class and he had the same mentality as Jordan.His only flaw would maybe be quickness, but if we assume he had the same training as the players today, he`d also be much faster.He might not be the best like he was, but he`d for sure be an all star and team leader imo, as well as one of the best players in the league.
Fuck yeah, Larry Bird was a superb player. I love the story of his looking up at Bobby Orr's number.
BlueEyes Larry Legend would still be a top star! It's so disrespectful to even question it. These guys nowadays are strong for no reason. The game is 1/6 as physical it once was. Sure the modern guys seem fast but when you eliminate hand checking and general physicality that tends to happen.
lol just imagining Rose + Jordan
U don't have to imagine just play all time bulls
Zamin Ahmed underrated
I did that on nba 2k14 blacktop lol
Most electrifying duo of all time
@@marquishoward9504 Curry and Wilt...
One big issue, if Jordan comes after Kobe, there is no Kobe
Jordan and losing in the Finals, jajajajaja
Oh yeah you're right. B/c Kobe surrounded his game around MJ.
Paradox :O
I don't think so, Kobe said himself he learns from the best, those moves aren't Michael's
Orlando Leal aren't Michael's? his entire style, deamnor and every element is an MJ copy
that was really well done. good job. imagine if MJ played in the 50's with Bill Russell..
Not with against
@@jasonwins5516 that wouldn't be a great matchup, they played different positions and russell wouldnt be able to defend him very much. he would eat the guy defending him and whoever bill was on would never get the ball. with would be better.
Look at the stats. Lebron gets more rebounds than Jordan. So Lebron is still the G.O.A.T. Lebron James is much better than Mike Jeffrey Jordan. This is why Jordan changed his jersey to 45, so Lebron could wear 23. So Lebron would be a trend setter, and ORIGINAL, who played so well that he made his number popular.
@@nymphopath9816 lmaooo MJ won 6 Championships and has more MVP wins than Lebron
@@nymphopath9816 Bron avgd less than 2 more rebounds than MJ . Bron is a Forward, MJ a SG btw 🤣🤣🤣
Anyone who says Jordan is the best of all time obviously hasn't seen Kwame Brown play.
PFBGaming exactly
PFBGaming you forgot about scali
PFBGaming I u think Mj isn't the best, then you don't like basketball
MoneySquad 30 obviously you don't know basketball if you couldn't sense the most obvious bit of sarcasm known to man.
PFBGaming I think tiger woods is way better
Yeah but if Jordan enters the league after Kobe in 2002 then Kobe wouldn't have had MJ to model his game after. He would be a completely different player. Same with Wade
Yeah, this was focused way too much about MJ
+Raymond Pham Umm... That's because it was ABOUT MJ....
good point!
jordan revolutionized the game bro, no jordan you have no kobe no lebron no wade
that is very true. he might not even be in the nba. that's probably to far, but u get the point.
Jordan wouldn't win a ring in today's NBA because with all the stretch 4s and 3pt shooting centers out there, a wide open paint, no hand checking and so many foul calls he would get so goddamn bored of scoring 60 a night he would literally go play baseball before all star break in his rookie season and never return.
Your fingers must hurt from typing that much
Just a Giga lmao the realest thing on the internet
Just a Giga just saying but the hand check rule is kind of dumb and makes the game boring. Jordans time was much more fun to watch with everyone driving to the basket. Putting up harder defense than players today could ever do.
Lmaooo, or teams would just not guard him on the 3 point line and it would ruin floor spacing.
true thAt and the goat is tmac
Being born in the early nineties between his greatness and space jam lmao this man is my hero
Sick video Mike!
In this alternate universe, Kobe's game would be drastically different (his moves, awards, points, etc) because he wouldn't have modeled his game after Jordan.
Good point!
Gabriel Tse. None of Michael Jordan's so-called moves were new. The Globetrotters had been doing every move ever seen 25 years before Jordan was born. Pistol Pete Maravich had all the moves, also. Wilt dunked from beyond the free throw line before he ever played an oficial college game.
Take away Jordan, and everything is still on film.
you are appsolootly right and that is why i say this is a (fairytale) dumb ass video THANK YOU for paying attention
+Jeffrey Ragland shut the fuck up because you sound really stupid. Jordan invented the fade away
+Micheal Hardis im one of the biggest Micheal Jordan if not the biggest he did not create the fade it was mastered and more lethal when used by him
Because of their egos, Jordan and Bird on their peak will murder every star in the 2015-16 season.
*peaks
agreed, nobody today could stop either of them
no one today is falling for birds perimeter hesitation bs and jordan always got smoked by smaller guards like isiah and starks
smoked?.. give me a link or upload a video in here
I'll bet lethalfatality's GOAT is either Lebitch or the Curry kid.
We all know Michael Jordan is way OP in 2K so chances are it wouldn't play out exactly like that
He doesn't use 2k to simulate, it's just a background
thats neat, what does he use?
+Packer Dog I'm not sure he used a different sim this time but he usually uses WhatIfSports simulator
He's not basing it off of 2k you idiot
thanks
People say Jordan is the goat cause hes a humble guy and succesfull , i Mean if thats the case then we all can say that Keanu Reeves or Nelson Mandela are the GOAT of NBA , its stupid to say Jordan or kobe overall game is better than Lebron , people need to be honest man
Do what if draymond got suspended
l0l
thunder win lol
lmao
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what if wilt chamberlain played in todays nba??? can you pls make a video about it?
Go bucks
he would make a 200 point
You should do a "What if Steph Curry played in the Jordan era?" Even though I wouldn't want to admit it he'd get way to beat up or injured but still would like to see it
Yessss
Isaiah got by fine
+SimonLYW true but he also had guys like Lambeer about to punch someone in the face if they gave isiah a bad look
+SimonLYW ya but Isaiah was tough as hell and his team was tough
+Rj Galvez they would probably surround Curry w/ those type of players if he played in that era, remember, it's just him that changes eras, not the whole team.
If Micheal Jordan played in modern NBA all of Chicago’s rivals are screwed
What if Gilbert Arenas never pulled a gun on his teammate
yes
what if the teammate he pulled a gun on, Javaris Cridditon; wasnt in prison for being a REAL KILLER?
+Take this L;Ron Hubbard *Crittenton
If you keep making vids like this then you'll reach 1 million subs in no time man
Thanks my man!
+Mike Korzemba Can you do what if Larry bird played in this Era?
I think it was accurate until the 14 - 15 season, by then dwight was a joke in the NBA defense was horrible and he had no post game. Curry and Thompson were unstoppable and nearly impossible to guard. PLus Goran Dragic was NOT the dynamic scorer he was in this vid, if i'm right he only averaged about 15 a game or something. Despite Jordan's best efforts Curry and Thompson trump him in that season. He can shut down one of them, but he can't guard both at the same time. But seriously, it was a great video
+Michael Torres nope
Ight well, what do YOU think. cause i'm going based of stats and what i saw from that season
Anyone who thinks Bird wouldn’t dominate in today’s game is ignorant! 🤦♂️
No one liked your comment so you're wrong jk #BleedGreen
Bird would not have been as good. You know who Bird would been? Paul Peirce.
Greg Weatherspoon who could shoot way better
Greg Weatherspoon Luka doncic is a offbrand larry bird and is tearing up the nba I’d think he’d do just fine
@@gregweatherspoon7349 6"7 ( 215 ) Luca Doncic 6"9 ( 220 ) Larry Bird ? ?
The reason Michael Jordan is GOAT, he literally changed the game of basketball.
He shaped the players we have (had) now with his athleticism, skill and hard work.
Kobe, Wade, LeBron, Iverson, McGrady, Westbrook, Durant, Rose (before his injury), Kawhi, etc etc...
If MJ played in the NBA today, he would average 40 ppg. He would score 101 points if he went up against James Har_en
Nahh MJ wouldn't b able to get 101
IK that was a joke but James Harden doesn't actually have bad defense sure sometimes he doesn't really try on defense but his overall defense is still okay (and it was actually quite good last season) it's just that his defense is disappointing compared to his offense
+86SuperRay if your a professional you should try
Haha
+Marquis Brown yeah I was axaggerating but he would have a career high on James Har_en that's for sure and he would be able to average 40 ppg in this watered-down Era.
What if LeBron had an healthy hairline?
his hairline make more money than your broke ass
+Mario Mendez you Makin fun of a niggas hair you gay as fuck
Mike the GOAT
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none of this makes sense , a lot of players were influenced by Jordan, with no Jordan kobe wouldn't b what he was among other players
Man just enjoy the video 😭🤦♂️
What If...Wilt The Stilt...played in modern day...
+phillyslasher playing against 6'8 guys and there was no 3sec violation imagine if shaq could camp in the paint with 6'8 players guarding him lol and he got expose by russel a guy who can actually play as a C
What are you talking about? Even for the modern day, Wilt Chamberlain was an insane athlete. He was the LeBron of his era in terms of athleticism, and he was 7'1" to cap it off. He was a track star all throughout high school, reportedly had a 48" vertical (the same as Michael Jordans, and he was taller), he could run the court and AVERAGED 48.5 MINUTES PER GAME, IN A FASTER PACED GAME AND WITH ROUGHER PLAYERS. The NBA isn't nearly as rough as it was back then, and most stars play less than 40 minutes still. He averaged more minutes than were in a game for an entire season. That takes incredible stamina and athleticism. The fact that he was such an incredible athlete alone could get him through today's NBA, but if you compare it with a wide skillset, he would be a monster, and still be an all-time great Center assuming he was already used to the different NBA rules. He was the only person who could block Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's Sky hook as well, and regularly blocked shots as high as the backboard, and most people said he would have averaged 5+ blocks a game if they were recorded back then.
john terrik I wasnt around to see him or the 90s era but I did watch a couple games with wilt playing on nbatv he has nice post hook he played like d12 in orlando without the amazing dunks
Agree with everything you said. On top of the freakish athlecticism Wilt was incredibly skilled. He had a turnaround fadeaway off the glass( A la Dirk), a fingeroll, and he could face up from around 12 ft out and take it to the basket. Not to mention he was a great passer too, leading the league in assists one yr.(In an era where the assist was much harder to get). Its a lot of misconceptions about that era. Like the 6 ft 6 inch white guy myth.The avg height of a center is about the same as it is now. Maybe taller considering that they were measured barefoot back then( Wilt would be listed as 7'2 or 7'3 if he played now for example). Another misconception is the lack of competition. WIlt played against multiple hall of fame bigs( Russell, Kareem, Unseld, Thurmond, Reed, Bellamy etc) 10-12 times a year because there were only 8 teams back then. The center position in that day is sort of like the point guard spot today. I think prime Wilt, Rusell, Oscar, Jerry West, Baylor among others could easily play today and hold their own. Sorry for the rant I just hate when that era gets disrespected
+Willie LumpLump the average height for centers was 6'11 in Wilts years.....
MJ was unstoppable! If everyone could re experience that whole era fresh it would be a no brainer that MJ and the bulls were the bench mark of all sports in the world and everyone knew it. MJ has the clutch stats and results. He is the GOAT
Look it up. Lebrons got hin beat on clutch fg % and shots made
@@kodaprice4105 His clutch is trash
One thing you didn't factor in... Zone defense. Zone defense was outlawed during Jordan's run with the Bulls. It would definitely have an effect on his offensive output.
Jordan himself once famously insisted that he would not have had the career that he did if zone defense was allowed. He also said that it would take superstars out of the game.
No one plays zone
+Elias Mehrzai Educate yourself. Search for "(Request Vid)NBA Defenses - Changing the game" on TH-cam. It explains the impact that zone defense had on the league.
+Cool Breeze he's right zone is rarely played in the NBA lol
If you think that, you know nothing about NBA basketball. Like I said, search for the video in my comment above and educate yourselves.
I actually replied to someone in these comments about that exact same thing. Completely on point. Whatever advantage Mike would have gained from no hand checking would have been balanced out by zone D/roaming defenders/ more sophisticated schemes. Especially would have been a factor earlier in his career when his jump shot was a lot shakier. Would have been awesome no matter what though lol
jordan and d'rose would be an insane team
Man, shut your mouth! They are NOT insane! Besides, Jordan won't play with a ball hog, unless it's himself. Or me. People who can be counted on to steal the inbound pass from my own teammate in final moments in game 5 against jazz to blow the game. "Shhh.." I know, I know. Its okay to showcase Pippen grumpy at Kukoc having final shot, but when MJ does it, do NOT show the footage in The Last Dance. Its not like Kukoc was ON FIRE, and would have most likley hit the shot to win an NBA finals game. Oh WTF...what am I saying? I love MJ, but I was disgusted to see him do that. Recently I carefully watched the game 5 again, and compared Toni shooting to MJs, and then realized what had happened in the final moments. The pass was intended for Toni, on Phils decision, and MJ was 2nd option, but then MJ dived in front of Toni, and INTERCEPTED the pass...then FAILED. (MJ didn't want to WIN, he wanted to be THE ONE to make them WIN. Deservedly so...but in an NBA finals game...when Toni was on fire, and MJ was in shooting slump? NOTHING can taint MJ's legacy, because his game is perfect. But that was his darkest moment. Hey, am I indirectly sharing video ideas with Mike Korzemba? Nobody would dare mention, let alone make a video of MJ about that incident...people would take it as basketball BLASPHEMY. And Lebron fans would be living their wildest wet dream. Thank God, I mean thank Mike that most people do NOT read. I admit that sometimes I troll for fun, when something spontaneously witty comes along. But what if I'm not trolling about the MJ game 5 crunch time incident?
Do what if Lebron could shoot a 3
roast
savage
haha
Shot above 40% two years unlike kobe lollll
if lebron had curry skills
i must say, this trash was entertaining. but overall awful.
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Yeah, this is just fiction. Zero insight or analysis.
Yea it is not accurate
Then leave.
What's wrong? I liked it. It won't be 100% accurate but accurate to a certain degree.
Man... I love this simulation! Well thought out, brotha! Awesome!
I want to go play NBA 2K now. Lol
0:25 Whenever Jordan dunks, he turns it into an art!
Mike,
Love your channel. With the Summer Olympics coming up could you please consider doing a series of videos about the 1992 Dream Team. Specifically the rumor that Michael Jordan did not want Isaiah Thomas on the team. The Greatest Game No Body Saw. How Jordan and Pippen guarded Toni Kukoc.
Definitely will have some dream team videos in the future!
Can you put this Roster on 2k16?
Zeke would not have made the dream team anyways he was injured that year
+Richard godinez-landeros he would've cause every team they played wouldn't even crack the 8th seed in either conference so he would've been ok
I hope he can do one for the team USA 2003. which is a way better team than the 2004 dream team
I think the only flaw in your scenario is the cooperativeness of Dwight Howard. He has outright said that playing with Kobe was too demanding and it's hard to believe that he would cooperate with an even fiercer competitor, who fought his own teammates. He just has the stigma of being a self-centered prima donna, but he might cooperate if they were winning.
he would've got use to it by him joining jordan as rookie
Lol I remeber that story
jordan motivates players
Yup n he mentally not tuff and his just happy to play the game attitude would have had mj outta his mind
I think Dwight would've been able to co-exist with Jordan. Dwight would be coming in as a rookie and be molded by Jordan, and had this scenario played out as described in the video, Dwight would've been good, because his legacy would've been incredible, even as a second banana, and he would want it to stay that way.
One thing I have to throw in there though... the bulls would have no Phil Jackson. Wasn't until Phil that they started winning championships. I think this scenario plays out better if MJ doesn't go to the bulls in that draft. What if he ended up on the knicks or something? Now that would be interesting
Kelly Pagano the coach definitely makes the difference. Jackson has all thise rings because of his genius and not because he had the greatest player in the world, along with two of the greatest, with the most dominant center. but yea, they couldnt donit wthout the coaching
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Kelly Pagano L L L L L
BodhiZaffa yeah Phill jackson won championships because of himself not because of guys like Jordan and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq..based on your comment Phill Jackson can go to the worst team in the nba without any star players and just flat out win championships with that team year aftet year lol..your a fkn idiot
NZ SUBZ3RO Yo, bro...look up the word SARCASM.
You never thought about the players like Kobe who used all of Jordan’s moves
Brian Scalabrini was at the same level if not better than Jordan whatdo you mean...
that's good man, that's good, you can troll real good....now get the hell out of here with that crap! lol
just kidding
Who is Brian Scalabrrini there is no NBA basketball player named Brian Scalabrrini.
Are you referring to Brian Scalabrine?
yeah.. the guy that got denied by derrick rose
I think your right like honestly scal might be even better than all of these players
this should have been a 5 second video where you just say "he still would have been michael jordan."
MJ would ride Dwight right out of Chicago and y'all know it lol
He'd be fine.
Probably the only athlete I ever remember watching where -when I watched -I knew I was watching 'true' greatness right before my eyes.
People saying Bird would be average is possibly the stupidest thing said ever.
In 2004, the worst team in the league was not the Orlando, so the Bulls would not have gotten Dwight sorry.
I'm glad you payed attention to the video.
+Mike Korzemba This is all made up maybe it went different
I doubt Mike and Dwight would work Kobe and Dwight did not work let alone Dwight and Mike, Mike wouldve made him cry
Yeah, Michael Jordan would punch little Steve Kerr in the face. So if Kobe's words can make Dwight leave Michael would have made him retire out of embarrasment
Do you know what a draft lottery is?
But players were a hell of a lot more competitive back when Jordan played. All everyone cares about now is money
That's true. One year back in the 90s the worst team in the west had 29 wins, while the best had 54. That's competitive.
+X02Overdose preach
old nba is better
+Existent “Sunshyne” Hope if TH-cam exists still let's revisit this comment in around 10 years
Jackson Salyer Behr agreed I will come back
I think you forgot to count that Kobe took alot from MJs game. But the big What if for me is if Lebron played in MJs era
if michael jordan played in today's league all u had to say was he would kick everybody's a**
Michael Jordan , Magic Johnson and Larry bird wound never be beat by the modern NBA
SBTv 1 the current era is soft
SBTv 1 jordan got beat twice kid
Dude, Brandon Roy?!?! He is an f'ing beast. Only player to be able to shut down Kobe almost every match up, irl.
Ahhh fuuck, did you do that to Roy to keep it realistic or did the game give him bad knees?
I used the same injuries as in real life. Sucked to see him go
+Mike Korzemba he was faking it
Brandon Roy never shut down Kobe dude. Stop it.
yeah nobody shut down kobe. Like No one. I can't remember anyone ever saying "Hey man did you see so and so shut down Kobe last night?". The man had the greatest Televised scoring performance of all time. Wilt's 100 was not televised and was only witnessed by 3.4k people. If anything Kobe and Jordan should've gone back and forth championships until 2012-2013. That's just how good they were. The only guy shutting down kobe EVER would be Jordan at his best. The only guy shutting Jordan down EVER is Kobe at his best.
+Michael Torres Nobody can stop Jordan when he's at his best
There’s one problem. You assumed every trade and draft for the bulls would pan out and that they’d all develop the same.
That’s one of the many issues. It’s a fun concept to play around with but there’s never gonna be any answers because of variable just like the one you mentioned. I think the league is much deeper with talent these days so it’s hard to say if they’d blow through competition the same way even if all the Bulls draft picks and trades still did work out
What's interesting is MJ would play even better in Modern day and that mid range would be the death strike for any team. Lebron would be freak of nature if he played in the 80's 6'8 250 running faster than the guards. Lebron's stats would probably be out of reach as well as he would have 4 or 5 rings maybe more. His assist would be crazy seeing as his bigs he would have at his leisure
he would flop and get no calls his way
+Jack Van Allen lol
No he wouldn't since he has no heart and flops so much. He cries so much now imagine if he played back then.
gip1279 this era allows for him to flop just like other players flop and cry to the ref. Back then he would not be able to do that so he wouldn't Dude nobody could contain Jordan so what were they going to do with a guy like lebron who could do everything and was faster than everyone? Yall sound stupid as fuck
I'm no LBJ hater... But I have to say that doesn't make sense... First off, in the 80's he wouldn't have even developed the same way positionally. He could have been placed at the PG position due to people seeing his similar skill set to Magic, the SF position where he would have been asked to be a defensive stopper and he would have to develop a better post game, or he would have been placed at PF position where he would have been physically assaulted every night. All of that said, I don't see anything in his game that shows that he could hold up or would even want to play against the physical play of the 80's.
Jordan wasn't rusty in the 1995 playoffs...31.5 ppg isn't rusty.
lol true I don't remember the last person to avg 30 in playoffs since kobe
+Willie LumpLump Dwade
deshaun harris wasnt that in 06 title run
yea I didn't even let the video get that far cuz Jordan would obviously score more points in these times and would make some of these scenarios obsolete
it was for jordan, plus he was turning the ball over pretty bad lol it sounds crazy but he's the goat
he would dominate this era like he dominated the 90s era
J ACOSTA deu
Hamza Beast he would overcame any challenge he came across in this era like he did in the 90s shit mj was obsessed with winning an being the best he could an doing everything in his power to win shit just look at his flue game
Hamza Beast draymonds not even that good
J ACOSTA doubt it just like the 80s he not heating superteams
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The storytelling and production in this reimagining is awesome. Great job. Never a dull moment
That is ALL the LOVE people can show in 6 years since this was made. SMH There are too many undercover HATERS, and envious assholes. Many people probably wish THEY MADE THIS, but haven't the heart, commitment, drive or brains to put it together themselves. We are in the most parasitically unappreciative, flamboyantly envious, unimaginative, inconsiderate, unloving, consumerist, vapidly empty, unphilosophical era of human history.
I like Mike's attitude, and love his videos. But one thing I disagree with, is when he says, "You're awesome". Or whatever it is to appeal to the audience watching. People parasitically subscribe for the content, but as far as I know, they show no real appreciation, love, gratitude and expressed thanks to Mike K for all the hard work put into consistently making top class videos. His commentary deserves him an earned NBA analyst job on ESPN. Comparisons DO count in this world, as much as people pretend they don't. And in reality, he shits on all the analysts, except Stephen A. Smith, who would be gems working together.
50/50....learn to share!
Yeah I rewatched this and I disagree with something. In 2013 The Heat defeat the Bulls in the conference finals. Then the Heat go on to defeat The Spurs in 2013. Then in 2014 The Spurs go on to become a laser sharp and focused Military of a team and they defeated the Heat with the largest margin of victory in NBA history. Sorry, but no. I don’t see Jordan and The Bulls defeating that 2014 Spurs team.
Also, the narrative that Jordan could never get past Tim Duncan would be a thing. Tim Duncan becomes Michael’s modern Larry Bird.
Very Interesting Video!! I Enjoyed It With Good Commentaries.
if t-mac couldn't take jordan's legacy, no one can.
Tmac.....Lmao......Tmac don't have the numbers or the energy for this conversation!
vincespell he got injured you dumb fuck he couldve easily been top 3 best ever shooting guards
Tmac could've been better than Michael Jordan. Most likely would've been but injuries stopped him.
knightofdreamz - ur nuts. MJ didn't have to face the competition that Kobe did? Ur just ridiculous
knightofdreamz - I know ur a kid who isn't old enough to have withnessed the 90s bc if u did u would realize how ridiculous your assertions are. There was an incredible amount of talent in the 90s and an incredible amount of parity in the league at the time as opposed to today. I could argue this ad nauseum and go through teams a well as players of that era it I will sum it up simply with 2 words to avoid that headache.
"Dream Team" and I'm referring to the first DT, although the 2nd team was also comprised of 90s superstars and mostly HOFamers. Obviously with tHe exception of C. Laettner, the original DT are all HOFamers and was still is the greatest collection NBA players ever to be assembled on a single team. And threre were so many more players that should have been on it but there just wasn't enuf slots. To say that he 90s was lacking of talent in comparison the 2000s is the most ludicrous statement ever and makes your articulate argument baseless.
I won't even bother to delve into the fact that defenses were much more difficult and physical in the 90s bc of the rule changes which makes the 90s more difficult even without considering talent disparities. IMO, MJ faced more difficult competition in the 90s than Kobe did in the 2000s but I understand if one argues its somewhat close. But to state that Kobe easily faced stiffer competition in the 2000s and using players like Paul Pierce as your proof is the most uninformed, senseless statement ever in regards to the NBA!!
Do if wilt played in NBA today like if u agree
That would be more impressive Wilt vs Shaq
He’d be pretty average. He was only good back then because no one else was as tall as him. Not even close
Cykeeto 334
You think Wilt would be average WOW
He had one of the best verticals in recorded nba history and benched 300lbs
A clements k he’s got a good vertical. Strong. A little over average.
A clements he actually benched over 300 lbs
Yo when jordan was about to hit the game winner, i got an ad lmaoo
Jordan would have destroyed in the modern NBA.
nah i doubt that Michael Jordan will evolve also in this modern era if he ever played today there are lots of different factors that you don't see in the past and today because in the past for example its hard to dunk the ring in the NBA than today using soft ring than the past ,and its far more serious back in the day because of physical and trash talk they throw to you personally, which Michael Jordan is good at that many threats of life Michael jordan as just to sale his game, but he never did
and do you think he will not evolve in the game! if the rest of his team mates exist today it will be also tremendous teams together with him.
+troy kennedy mejares Hols this L dude Jordan would feast
Why... Do people who love playing devil advocate have to be atheist like the red color youtube above. Smh
Jordon would wreck in today's leave like he did in the era before and that's that.
+Jesus-is LORD lol mj would average around 40pts( for his career) he might be a little worse defensively at first because of no hand checking but after a bit he would be the best 2 way player in the league
This was cool.....under the modern NBA rules I believe that Jordan would have won 6-8 Championships & he would've averaged 45 ppg in his prime years & shot 53% to 55% career FG%. This was truly one of the best TH-cam videos I have watched.
+Stephen John Yes I've been watching basketball a long time. Let's see in the Jordan area he didn't have the benefit of no-touch rules on the perimeter. Big man could camp in the paint all day long. The hand checking, fragrant fouls were rarely called. No one plays defense anymore.
Just like game OKC 's vs GSW, it's all about who outscores who.
Jordan averaged 37 ppg one season in a much tougher and physical league so you can't say 45 ppg is crazy it is very realistic. If you look at his career stats Jordan shot over 50% three or four seasons in a row. He would destroy this league under these rules.
+Stephen John Zone Defense does it mean todayz defense is tougher. It is lazy mans defense imho. When zone defense was illegal it meant that you had to be a good one-on-one Defender but you could still double team and trap.
Look at how the Lakers play defense in the eighties. Look at how physical the Pistons and the Knicks played defense in the late eighties & early nineties. The Pistons would have broke both of Kobe's legs before he got anywhere near 81 points. None of these guards today would be able to get to the rim so easily.
Remember there is no perimeter defense now! You can easily pull up for a three-pointer (Steph Curry) or get the quick step on your defender and take it to the rim.
So the 80's & 90's were weak? Here is a short list of some of the players that MJ played against: Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Magic Johnson, Penny Hardaway, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, David Robinson, Chris Mullin, Gary Payton, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton, Kevin Johnson, Clyde Drexler, a young Shaq & Alonzo so all these are scrubs?
Finally with the exception of maybe the '00-'02 Lakers dynasty, every team that the Bulls beat in the NBA Finals would stomp the shit out of every millennium era NBA Champion.
+Mo Beasley just stfu already you already got smoked and you acting smart just stfu and take this L
+Homiesliveforever 23 I'm just trying school you young bucks. The game of basketball didn't start when you were born.
Bullcrap.
that's how I know you didn't start watching basketball until ten years ago.
Defenses are way weaker now......do you know what hand checking is? They don't have it anymore, they outlawed it for today's players...
And they're softer, do you see the way OKC is physically beating up Golden State right now?
All of this driving in the lane and getting a foul call every time you barely get touched? you can hang that up; by the end of the season little players like Stephan Curry would be broke.
They used to allow Zone Defenders to stand in the paint...bet you didn't know that either though...
Google any professional basketball analyst opinion and you'll see they all unanimously think that the league is fundamentally worth worse now.
you can buy your own hype too much....
you need to go listen to Public Enemy....lol.
Lol why was curry guarding Jordan in crunch time
lmfaoo fr
In the game curry always guards the sg
+0verCastEagle actually he guards the worse guard on the team they put klay on the better guard
+Joshua Williams L
+Dylan Kalonji what he said was tru y did u say L?
Larry Bird, one of the greatest shooters/scorers of all time, great basketball IQ, great passer, great rebounder, solid defender, great leader, tough on the court, CLUTCH, and played in a league FULL of talent. I don’t get it.
so does this mean we still get shaq' s fire diss track
tell me where the fuck this message board is that says Bird is a scrub!
I have actually seen quite a bit of people say that. Usually they bring up his lack of athleticism
Vince Luoh But he has his post game and his 3 point shot.
Vince Luoh he didn’t need to be that athletic. That shot was deadly
lmao 'lack of athleticism' it's not like larry bird couldn't dunk, or was slow. People really just think he's a white hick and isn't athletic at all. That man was the cornerstone of the celtics franchise and beat Magic johnson's lakers, whom many consider to be one of the greatest teams of all time. all these fucks who say bird would be a scrub are brain dead
he's better then LeBron for a fact sure bird doesnt have athleticism But at least bird didnt try to be a one man show and made his team better thats what won him a ring
In the 46 games that Jordan played in 01/02(age 38-39) before the injury,
he averaged 25.1 - 6.2 - 5.3 - 1.5 - 0.5 on 42% points - rebounds - assists - steals - blocks
Jordan's numbers were also improving as the season went on.
In his last 20 games up to the injury he averaged 27.5 - 6.4 - 5.2 - 1.3 - 0.5 on 44%
In his last 10 games up to the injury he averaged 29.7 - 6.6 - 6.1 - 1.2 - 0.3 on 47%
That's why I laugh when people say he can't play in this era look what this man was doing to your favorite players at age 39 GOAT shit nigga
Some more interesting stuff.
In 1998/99, the last season of real defense, only 3 players averaged over 23 ppg.
After the 1999/00 rule changes to weaken defense, 9 players averaged over 23 ppg!
In 1998/99, the last season of real defense, only 5 players averaged 8+ apg!
After the 1999/00 rule changes to weaken defense, 9 players averaged 8+ apg!
In 1998/99, the last season of real defense, only 7 players averaged over 50% FG!
After the 1999/00 rule changes to weak defense, 15 players averaged over 50% FG!
The only players that averaged 50% FG in 98/99 were power forwards or centers.
I mean, Gary Payton's scoring/Assist averages after the rule changes are better than his prime scoring/ Assist averages!
take a look -> Gary Payton In his prime, 1995-1999 6th season - 19.3 ppg + 7.5 apg (Age 27) - won DPOY, led 1996 Sonics to the Finals where they won 2 games against the 72-10 Bulls.
7th season - 21.8 ppg + 7.1 apg (Age 28)
8th season - 19.2 ppg + 8.3 apg (Age 29)
9th season - 21.7 ppg + 8.7 apg (Age 30)
Now, a past prime Payton for 4 years post 98-99 rule changes had ->
10th season - 24.2 ppg + 8.9 apg (age 31) - 99-00 season - (first season without hand-checking)
11th season - 23.1 ppg + 8.1 apg (Age 32)
12th season - 22.1 ppg + 9.0 apg (Age 33)
13th season - 20.4 ppg + 8.3 apg (Age 34)
Payton's FG% increased every year from his 9th season to his 12th season, with only a 1.3% decrease in his 13th season. NBA players' primes(not saying all, but most) end at about age 30, yet Payton even at age 31-34 overall put up better scoring AND assist numbers than he did from age 27 to age 30.
NBA.com even agrees. The rule changes leading up to 2004 made the game easier.
Also at age 38
Bron & MJ both had 4- 40 point games , Bron had 0 - 50 point games MJ had 1 fun fact
This is a very complex debate, depending on how deep into the rabbit hole you want to go. On the surface it's easy to picture: MJ was the most athletically gifted player and the most competitive at the same time. He didn't just dominate his era, he kept friends and rivals from ever winning championships at all. He was the best offensive and defensive player at any given moment he decided to be. So it's easy to say he wins 8-10 titles, 2-3 gold medals, and goes on to be the GOAT.
Consider this. MJ didn't make his varsity high school team as a sophomore. He played 3 entire years under one of the greatest college coaches of all-time, Dean Smith. He was fundamentally complete as a player when he arrived in the league. He entered the league in a tough, dynamic era with 3 potential dynasties (Celtics, Lakers, Pistons) all going on at the same time. He gambled, had affairs (allegedly), smoked cigars and got into trouble with his friends, in an era without a 24/7 sports media, leaks and social media. He played with another top 50 all-time player who complimented his style, and played in an innovative offense with one of the greatest coaches of all-time.
Perhaps most importantly, he was born at the tail end of "The Greatest Generation", the Baby Boomers at the end of WWII. How much racism did MJ and his family endure growing up in the south in the 70s and 80s? His father was murdered in 1993 while sleeping in a Lexus Michael bought him. Being raised by parents who were African-American before the Civil Rights movement instilled a mental toughness and drive in Michael that has never been seen, before or since. The closest examples I have seen to MJ's will to win are Tom Brady, Tiger Woods and Lance Armstrong. But all of them came *after* MJ, so I have to wonder... did he change basketball, or ALL competition? MJ's mental toughness and sense of purpose are on a Navy SEAL/Achilles/Jesus on the Cross level. It's important to remember that before Michael Jordan, no guard had ever been the centerpiece for a dynasty; it was a generational torch passed from one dominant big man to the next. Even Magic and Bird had Hall of Fame big men on all of their championship rosters, and they were arguably Small Forwards.
I'm 34 years old and I have to ask, honestly, would he have the same instinct and drive to be the greatest of all time if he were a millennial? Would he shoot 10,000 practice shots a week if he had 1,000 TV channels, netflix, twitter, snapchat, tinder and youtube distracting him? Would he be tempted to smoke marijuana in a world that no longer polices light drug activities? Or would he take ultra-care of his body, get platelet-rich-plasma treatments in the off-season and play into his 40s, shattering all records? Could he control a gambling addiction when he could use his iPhone to make bets? Would he become the same unstoppable but fundamentally disciplined player if he came out of high school at 18, or out of Duke or UNC at 19 after his freshman year? Would he even be interested in basketball, or would he try MMA or baseball?
I think mostly yes. His talent, athleticism, and mental toughness might change a little, but overall, I think there's something deep in Michael Jordan that drives him to be the best he can at every single thing he competes in. Here's my best guess for the most likely scenario presented in this video: with 20-years extra evolution and one generation later, MJ is 6'6.5" and ripped like Westbrook, faster than LeBron, stronger than he was in the 90s, and still completely dominant. He would obsessively study Win-Shares and film of every other player. He would be the #1 pick, as no one would take a center over him today. He would shoot more 3's today, his FG% would go up due to rule changes, and he would have a scandal or two pop up but it wouldn't stop him. He would probably have tattoos today. If Jordan established supremacy as the #1 player in the NBA, free agents and coaching talent would all flock to him. He could recruit LeBron and most bigs they needed with a text.
He would favor teammates with an attitude streak who weren't afraid to play defense like Rondo, Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen and Kevin Garnett, and then support them with 3-point specialists or defenders with great length like Korver, Tyson Chandler or Trevor Ariza. He might realize he could build his super team anywhere he wanted in the modern NBA and move to LA or Charlotte. And because he would only need one other star to dominate 99% of the league, he would probably play with LeBron, Al Horford, Kevin Durant, KG, Ray Allen, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis, Blake Griffin, Jason Kidd, Dirk or Yao Ming. He wouldn't want to piggyback someone who could end up with more rings than him, and he wouldn't accept another Guard/Forward who wanted to be Batman, so depending on existing legacies, he would avoid Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, T-Mac, CP3, Steve Nash, D-Wade, James Harden, Westbrook and Steph Curry.
If he went home to the Charlotte Hornets and I was the GM looking at the NBA as it existed in 2005 and my goal was to make sure Michael Jordan became the greatest player of all-time, here's who I would try to assemble for him within reason, assuming I'm not trying to Miami Heat/Golden State ruin the league:
2005: PG-Baron Davis, SG-Michael Jordan, SF-Tony Kukoc (lol, ok, Shawn Marion), PF-Dirk Nowitski, C-Ben Wallace
2010: PG-Jason Kidd, SG-Kyle Korver, SF-Michael Jordan, PF-Carlos Boozer, C-Yao Ming
2015: PG-Rajon Rondo, SG-Michael Jordan, SF-Trevor Ariza, PF-Serge Ibaka, C-Anthony Davis
by 2020 with our legacy secure, Super-Team is allowed as the entire league tries to dethrone the GOAT so we go for 75 regular season wins...
2020: PG-Steph Kerr, SG-Michael Jordan, SF-Kawhi Pippen, PF-Nikola Jo-Kukoc, C-Giannis Longley, off the bench... PF-Draymond Rodman
My All-Time Most Unstoppable 8-Man Line-Up Imaginable, Any Era:
PG-Magic Johnson, SG-Michael Jordan, SF-Larry Bird, PF-Tim Duncan, C-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, off the bench: G-Kobe Bryant, F-LeBron James, C-Wilt Chamberlin. honorable mentions: Stockton/Malone/Shaq.
Steven Wardlaw I’d like to here more of your thoughts
I really enjoyed reading this. Thank you!
Mj always gonna have a drive
I think Pippen is a tad overrated due to the Bulls overall success... For me its the curious boost of the guy... The Bulls had to win two titles or three titles before Scottie was even considered an All Star by association... And then all of a sudden in 96' he is considered an all time great (as a complement player?) No one guarded him because of MJ... Give me a break... F*ck Pippen... He was worthless in 97' and in 98'... Jordan won without him as his back was crippled or just quit on the team because he wasn't happy with his own bad contract negotiation... I was a young buck then (48 now) and watched every second of it living in Chicago without DVR replay, you had to watch it live or you missed it (I can hear John Tesh's NBC theme music going in my head, or Red Kerr's voice gushing in awe coming out of his seat the way we were at home.) Every game was a Michael Jordan Symphony... If Pippen showed he'd have a moment or two but he didn't always show up and that is what people tend to brush off... BTW bar none The best defender on that team was always MJ... The Second 3Peat and the 2nd best was Rodman..... Stats don't lie.. There is a case that MJ should have won at least 2 DPOY's kind of got ripped off on that... I still can't figure out which season Scottie thinks he should have won it... Pip second fiddled MJ Defensive stat wise... GREAT JOB on this write up I just have a beef to pick with Pippen and it feels like giving him too much credit is really a slap in the face to Jordan... Pippen was a role player... never an equal... Without MJ kicking his a$$ in practice daily he might not have made it on another team as it took him years to get it together...