Why People Hate in Gundam Seed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2020
- Gundam Seed is one of those shows that was immensely popular when it debuted, but has since left people's minds. Maybe it seems less relevant, or maybe it's just the product of the endless series of Gundam shows that have shown up to take its place. Regardless, I think it's worth remembering.
Fans of Gundam Seed might notice I make almost no mention of Gundam Seed Destiny. Aside from the fact that I didn't want to watch it again, I also wanted to focus on the superior first series. I have no plans on making a video about GSD for the foreseeable future.
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Yeah yeah yeah, we get it. Seed's great.
...but Seed doesn't have 30+ WINDMILL GUNDAMS PILOTED BY THE SAME PERSON ALL AT ONCE FIGHTING OFF A DEMONIC CHIMERA MONSTER ROBOT WHO GIVES PLOT CANCER TO PEOPLE DURING THE SPACE OLYMPICS.
God I love G Gundam.
Thanks for the spoiler.
G gundam is love, G gundam is life...
It also doesn't have America's ultimate weapon, THE STATUE OF LIBERTY CANNON!!
This is the one point anyone has to make to make anything else completely obsolete.
To be fair, Seed gets lumped in with Seed Destiny and that causes it to get a large amount of hate.
Yeah, and seed destiny is basically another 50 episodes of Kira domination, which we already had 15 of in seed
honestly, yeah. Destiny soured my feelings on SEED when it first aired, as someone who spent my high school years defending SEED as a valid retelling of the original series with much different and contemporary themes - themes that still resonate today, in fact.
Which isn't to say First's don't, not at all - but I thought the themes of hate and trauma in SEED, even then, were important for the period in which it originally aired and I originally watched it, terrible fansubs and all.
Agreed. I always thought the Jesus Yamato joke came from Destiny because for the second time Kira manages to impossibly survive death. Honestly Destiny started out alright but when it became the Kira Yamato show instead of keeping focus on Shin or Athrun it went downhill.
I've never watched Destiny so that means nothing to me.
@@Zugam Destiny started off terrible, hitting the ground running trying to ruin basically every character from SEED and shove Shin on us and make us like him dispite him being one of the most annoying characters in anime history and it being even less believable that he got through basic training (much less got to the point where he was given a Gundam without being court-martialed) than it was believable for Kira to survive that nuclear explosion.
And then it just kept getting worse, yes, but only because it went on longer which meant the low-grade fanfic quality writing had more time to compound.
the real humans were... none of them, they were all aliens u can tell by how weird and huge all their eyes are
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't like the character designs of gundam SEED. They've got large eyelashes. Spiky hair and edgy designs.
@@desertsandfly2277 Agree, Hirai doesn't have a good design. Also, they only know how to draw like a few faces, which makes other shows with his design weird.
Most anime characters have huge eyes......
Did you think you were watching a live action show?
They all have massive eyes cuz the truth about Seed is it's actually a Shoujo anime that just happens to take place in a gundam series. I find changing your expectations for that is some of the best advice to prepare a new watcher.
I'm pretty sure most Gundam fans (such as myself) thought the title was "Why People Hate Gundam Seed" but thank you for explaining why people "hate" in Gundam Seed (tbh I myself just boiled it down to space racism too). I would like to see your opinions/topics on other series like 00, IBO and UC too in the future!
holy shit I was so confused this whole video
Has he made any 00 or UC vids yet ?
I feel seen!
Why do fans *hate?* Why are fans so *mean?!*
Anyone who gets this reference... give yourself a cookie.
Hey setsuna
SEED was very very complicated. But the emotions in that anime was real. I get to learn a bunch of lessons from SEED, and I'm grateful to have watched it and liked it.
@Ratfoo The Liberator then you haven't watched 00........
Best and most reasonable comment here.
Seed taught me to understand how hatred and fear is peddled in politics
Yeah 😂 like WW2 all over again but this time I sure be captain ooo sorry
lmao
Woah....Gundam? Um Yes please. More of these videos please. Thanks! Also....Thunderbolt is the best
THUNDERBOLT REPRESENT
It’s up there, right around 0080.
@@holden_7597 No No it is 0083 is best UC
As a fan of the original Thunderbolt manga, the anime actually left quite a number of character-important scenes on the cutting room floor. Thus, Thunderbolt anime for me still doesn't live up to its true potential. I wish they made a full-flegded series instead of 4 short ONAs for each season.
Mine's 08th MS team and War in a pocket in UC, 00 in AU
Watching seed again, the biggest compliant is this Kira is portrayed as Jesus-like. He’s survived multiple “impossible for humans to survive events”, has basically all the main females thirsting over him and and has more plot armor than most Isekai protagonists.
😂
He's not portrayed at Jesus-like, this is just something you heard and now project and parrot like a mindless drone. He has all the main females thirsting over him??? He has ONE female "thirsting" over him as a means to manipulate him to fight to death, and only ONE other one who slowly bonds with him.
Go back to watching cringe isekai anime lol
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket is the best gundam series, and it's only 6 episodes so there's no excuse not to go watch it.
(there's also a pirated subbed version available for free here on TH-cam, you just have to search for it)
0080 and 08th MS Team are my favorites. You just can't beat the UC
Hey your comment made watch gundam for the 1st time (yeah, war in the pocket). I just gotta say thanks.
@@Mbewe_SM I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it!
Same art style as Dead Aggressor: Fafner in the Azure
With an alternative universe Athrun XD
Its nice to see people finding the parallels between seed, and the 9-11 debacle. If original gundam is ww2-in-space, then seed is the first attempt at a gundam show with 21st century political climate.
Other than the bloody valentine, there is another interesting 911-parallel; at the same time as seed and destiny is broadcasting, Japan is discussing whether it should send its self defense force to middle east, whether they should help their allies or continue to use their forces in self-defense role only. This plotpoint is reflected in seed and destiny by the Japan-stand-in nation of Orb Union; whether to join the alliance/plant or continue to be neutral, even in the face of pressure.
The only thing i dont like about seed is the recycling of fight scenes. Other than that i find it okay
Not only the fight scenes, some scenes like the base explosions were also recycled
I dunno.. maybe because animating mechas isn't that easy?.. You might want to try it.. :D
@@daijoboudesuka True but Seed does it a whole lot. Its the first animated show I watched that I actually noticed it happening with how often it was.
@@KinghtofZero00 yep.. mecha animes often do snap movements as well. Imagine the people who animate just one scene and that they have to draw every perspective of the mech's shape every frame. Nothing will be done in a weekly release of episodes.. haha
The stock footage abuse is rough. But it saves money.
Gundam was in a pretty hard decline before Seed. Their budget was not exactly high. Thankfully Seed revitalized the IP and they get better production values since then...
Jose confirming to everyone that he hasn't seen Turn A
Gundam X is the best
@@AjaxFerrariLeafs this right here. Also Thunderbolt
All of you are wrong the best Gundam is G Gundam. How many other iterations have a horse that can pilot its own horse Gundam?
Yeah I like turn a
@@mythousandfaces Love Love Tenkyoken!!!! Some times I'll watch a video of that just cause.
I only need to see you showing the scene of Milly attempting to kill Dearka and then actually ended up stopping Flay from actually killing the guy to know you really care about the series. People often uses very obscure reasons why they dislike the series but moments like that were beautifully done. It shows the raw, conflicted emotions of these kids being in a war between the 2 species which people never give the series enough credits for.
Dont forget they were in a ORB colony, a nuetral country with no hate for each other and proving that coordinators and naturals can live peacefully
A good moment doesn't mean people are wrong or dumb to dislike SEED, and the problems with it are NOT obscure, especialky the recycling of animation. Read what other people say and try to understand why they don't like something you like.
@@nedinnis6752 Sadly most of sunrise anime reuse old animation a lot. To do it once or twice is one thing but to keep doing over and over again is cheap and lazy.
@@nedinnis6752 Name one Gundam before Seed that didn't reusse animation lol... A lot of hate for Seed does come down to obscure reasoning. Seed is actually super deep and quality overall... yeah, Sunrise cut corners, but they do that in like all their anime.
@@JustinVillemure I'm not saying Sunrise never reused animation before, I've seen almost all the Gundam TV shows. I just don't like dismissing other people's opinions when a show I like has visible flaws. There is a reason to dislike almost any Gundam show, and that's ok. Few things are perfect, and I say that as someone who enjoyed Seed. It had a great story + characters and the Remastered edition fixed a bunch of visual issues. Doesn't mean I also didn't see why others dislike it and its sequel.
One thing I would say is that Kira's character arc isn't fully complete at episode 35. Kira does go through his arc, but I think there's a neat little mini arc at the end of the show, where the main villain tries to undermine Kira's progress. It's kind of a rare example I've seen of a sort of attempted 'devolution' of a character. Kira has to confront his past, and the possibility his actions are irredeemably tainted by them (as Rau's were tainted by his own origin). Kira then has to reject that kind of thinking and find emotional catharsis in the proof of Flay who is able to reconcile with him despite both of their pain.
I also really like the analysis on hate and how it is such a poison in this show, driving both sides to greater and greater atrocities.
I've never hated Flay like everyone does, she is a well-build character not many people can understand her and her situation
It's not a certified José video until he uploads it twice.
I loved the commentary personally. Another aspect is the conflict between rich and poor. The only people who had money to have coordinator children were the rich. They also left Earth for their ivory space stations. This is a subtext worth noting.
Hatred is of course a major theme, and possibly the core theme, but I think Seed and Destiny have incredible commentary.
Building a space satellite laser to use against the earth isn't even just an anime thing, it's a Gundam thing. I think at least 5 separate gundam series do it. Too quote a certain abridged series, "What do you want me to do? Build a laser satellite system? That never works!"
One is used to great effect at the end of Zeta Gundam, just not by the villains.
That worked too well in After War Gundam X. Granted the space satellite laser was the main character's Gundam, so maybe that helps.
try starwars villain thing. though technically the space laser is not aimed at earth "alone" so...
It has been a thing since Star Wars came up with the Death Star in 1977, two years before Gundam aired.
@@androyus it is a starwars thing that gundam has maintained until starwars took it back in one of the recent parts of the recent trilogy. But gundam makes it just as epic. Sometimes the threat alone of a space laser in gundam has me asking how are the gundam jedi gonna solve this one.
Seed has a great final battle in Gundam history. Watching Kira learned how to counter Providence Dragoons and how damaged Freedom became in the middle of the battle, Kira had a possibility to get a bad ending like Kamille in Gundam Z. Unlike Seed Destiny which Kira and Athrun pretty much outmatched both Shinn and Rey without any effort.
Most importantly, Yzak is a complex and underrated ace pilot in gundam.
"Kira & Athrun outmatched both Shinn & Rey"
Yea, that's what happen when you pit two veteran-aces against two manipulated junior-bitches who didn't even know what they were fighting for and had less-than-half the skill of Rau Le Klueze in Mobile Suits with matching levels: total domination.
shinn is basically completely rage-driven while rey has superiority complex
If I am not mistaken, Kira destroyed Legend Dragoons first before aiming the main body. On the other hand, Rey just go straight for Freedom while ignoring the Dragoons.
In Seed destiny, strike freedom not get scratch, even justice only lose fatum 🤣
Technically Shinn was the only one manipulated. Rey was basically just Durandal's lap dog and doing what he wants willingly, while Shinn continued spiraling down in his own guilt.
Gundam Seed was the very first anime I ever watched so it has a special place in my heart.
try to watch gundam wings too.
I appreciate that you don't bring up Rau Le Cruset, because in many ways he is the best part of that show for me. I freaking love that omnicidal maniac.
i still remember hearing on the reason he became the way he was, its actually a pretty good explanation that fits perfectly on what we see in the series. with thereason mu's father asked for him to be created, and even, on his relationship with durandal.
basically the theory says that, Mu's father wasnt just an egocentric narcisist, but was also bisexual, and he literally wanted to fck himself, that would explain why he wanted rau to grow old so fast, and also what rau probably went through while groing up, and why he hates his own face that much. the fact that the fast growth also damaged his brain just exarcebated things.
its one of those theories that is both too out there, and makes too much sense.
He was the char aznable.. and Mu is the full frontal
Makes a pretty good Dutch oven too
That was really good, Joel! I look forward to seeing more videos about anime like this.
I watched SEED back when the DVDs were being released and it's been over a decade since I last watched it. Destiny really soured me on everything SEED related and I kinda stopped caring about Gundam enough to watch newer ones a few years ago. But I've always had a fond spot for SEED so it was nice to see a video like this about it.
SEED is my first Gundam. Destiny is a let down to some but I see there's potential in it just it wasn't executed and written well. Stargazer although short but it's the only best thing came from Destiny.
I have been a Gundam fan since forever.
Im just finding out that Gundam Seed is hated.
I love Gundam Seed. All the Drama that surrounds the Archangel Base was a nice blend.
This video was very interesting and well written! I loved Seed and this video re-assured the thoughts I had on the character development and writing. I wonder if many of seed haters watched seed to see big robots fight only to complain about how Kira is too op with his plot armor, completely looking past all the serious themes going on with the side characters. They don’t always do virtuous things and spectators might not enjoy that, but I personally found it extremely interesting.
I am so freaking happy to find this video and a fellow Gundam Seed lover. I kind of always felt it didn’t get the recognition or love it deserves lol. I know it has its flaws, what show doesn’t? But I think it’s a gem of a show and I’ll always love it. Definitely my favourite. But whenever I rewatch it I appreciate its depth, the creativity, plot, characters etc. I generally always cry at certain parts.
Anyway, thanks for the video, I would love to see more on Gundam Seed (and other anime). ❤️😊
You are not alone my friend. I've seen quite a few gundam series and I still put SEED as my favourite. We are out there
While I also have memories associated with the anime, I couldnt continue watching it, because of, for one, Im personally sensitive to sexual content, and second, i personally feel morally uncomfortable with Kira knowingly cheating with a woman whom already had a partner, which by the way, was not "boyfriend" they verbatim said "fiance" in the anime. I dont know, I just couldnt with that. Dont get me wrong, its still an anime that is warm to me while at the same time cant bear to commend the series myself.
@@thedarkangel613 There's dozens of us!
Hardly. Seed was pretty wildly popular when it came out. People started to shit on it when destiny happened, and by extension that's where a lot of the kira jesus yamato memes came from.
That said, a lot of the themes are things that are repeated through the gundam franchise. A lot of the direction involves characters standing around and talking in close up shots, characters/faces center in a still frame, which felt like a waste of the medium. This isn't something special to seed either, many other popular anime are guilty of this as well (sao). A lot of the things that felt flat to me were more related to the visual direction, and that it felt more of a soap-opera direction in the writing (even for gundam standards).
Either way, people can go watch it for themselves and develop their own opinions of it. I saw both series in their entirety and have my own opinions on it.
The only thing i had problem with is the fact that there's a gun in a prisoner's room... What!?
not a prisoner's room, just an medical room, see 16.43
It's mentioned by natarule on the next episode and how fucking careless the captain was. Marrue just says "feel free to write in your report" and dismisses her. What's happened has already happened at that point
It was careless but it creates an excellent scene of melodrama in context of the show
@@Matanumi I see, thanks for the explanation i think i missed that watching the Anime
Thank you for this video! I already loved Gundam Seed, and your analysis was incredibly thought-provoking; it's great to find even more reasons - especially those in line with my values - to love the series.
Two things:
Not a regular to this channel and I was amazed someone was talking about Gundam Seed. Your points about the themes of Seed really opened up a new perspective for me it being a general discussion of hate, rather than a specific discussion on a type of hate is something I felt but you put it really nice words. Find it interesting you didn't mention Lacus, because she is often presented as a much more ideal leader than most of Seeds cast and often ask questions that force characters to think on those same prejudices, I think one of my favourite lines in Seed was from her "There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing. Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?" It's a fair question connecting to the premise that this story is about hate, obviously people can't love hate away especially if they are being killed, but is voilence the solution or is inflicting more trauma on all sides how we obtain that happiness. Really want to watch Seed again just to think about this some more.
Secondly, I want to ask does Kira' s growth really end by episode 35? One of the major faults Kira as a character had was his inability to deal with his emotions and pain of the war. Kira became more distant and isolated as he grew through the series, crying in isolation up until he reached emotional exhaustion. I think his character sort of caps of after the reveal of his true identity when he cries with Lacus. Kira is the pilot hero who beats the bad guy but he finally has a genuine attachment with someone that he isn't desperate to protect all the time, someone he can allow himself to be vulnerable with. Which is pretty cool.
i do think that kira's growth ends at episode 35... but for a diferent reason to many people. that's when kira accepted that he would never become a normal person again, that he would probably die horribly in the battlefield(something that scared the whole series up to that point). its also the moment when he trully became... broken.
that's why he is diferent after that, and why he "doesnt grow anymore". because he is a dead man walking. which is also why he isnt a hero, he will fight the war, he will stop the atrocity that will happen if he doesnt, and he will avoid killing as much as possible. but to himself, he is a monster who doesnt deserve to live. even after seed, which is why he tells lacus in SD that he is "ok now". if anything, Kira became the anti Hiero.
On the topic of growth, the character who had the biggest growth would be Flay.. she's the driving force that made Kira grow as well.. that's why when they got separated, Kira became a shell.. "like a deadman walking " .. only then when he saw her again did he show emotion.. Flay's character development startes from the beginning of the series until the end.. it's sad that they have to kill her off because the wife of the author likes Lacus more.. they had plans for her, the gundam Cagalli had was supposed to be for her and more. Even the author said in a conference that Kira's heart always belonged to Flay.. She's the one he must protect.. that's what he said in contrary to what he said about Lacus in destiny "it will bother me if i can't protect her". And even in destiny Kira never cried as a nod to her.. in the game, u will also see Flay behind Kira on one of his special boost.. just adding on to the fact that she helped Kira's growth or strength..
@@marcosdheleno that's when Kira became gundam. No need to keep repeating it like Setsuna who literally became one at the end of the series.
@@doom3869 to me, Flay was the most compelling female characters in CE. She is the one who shakes things up and destabilises the equilibrium in the archangel crew. Lacus is a sheet of paper compared to flay.
@@orangeyellow9695 if they just stuck with the draft and kept Flay with the EA like planned, Destiny wouldn't have failed cos her character would've made the story a lot more interesting. Lacus was already perfect, to begin with, so there's no more growth in her character that's why she falls flat compared to Flay who actually had great character development throughout all 51 episodes.
Thanks José this was awesome. I haven’t seen the anime but loved getting your take on its themes
These scenes following the final battle between kira and athrun I enjoyed quite a bit, a huge part due to Dearka (english voice Brad Swaile, who also did Quatre and Amuro and later voiced Setsuna) finally got some spotlight. Up til then the other Gundam pilots kinda overshadowed him (one being the protagonist, another being his friend and rival, one getting a new upgrade, and the last one died two episodes ago.) and I feel he didn't get much to do on-screen.
It's pretty nice to see someone have a take on Gundam SEED that isn't the same old "SEED bad because Jesus Yamato, there's too much drama,etc".
All the discussion around the series has been stuck there for like a good 10 years.
Also one bit this video just made me notice at 7:39 Kira says "What the hell can you protect with just feelings?" to Cagalli earlier in the series
In the final episode when Fllay's "ghost" speaks to Kira she says "My feelings will protect you"
SEED Kira is tolerable imo. Him in the Strike had him fight using his wits due to the machine's limitations i.e battery runs out due to powering the machine along with its weaponry and armor.
Having gotten into gundam through Wing and Seed, I appreciate this. It's interesting to think about Seed exploring a topic like this, and I'm interested in rewatching it now.
Gundam seed is the first gundam series i actually completed watching back in 2005
back on toonami
Gundam Seed is a very good series to talk about hate and is so relevant now more than ever before. I love how you explained the situation between Mirielia nad Flay, it is one of the better interpretations of that scene I have seen for some time. I had always taken that scene as a way for Mirielia to say to Flay that Kira did not deserve to die - no one deserves to die for being a Coordinator. I wish that they had expanded on the themes and story from GS to GSD but what can you do. Really well done video :)
I hope José does some more videos on Gundam. I'd love a long retrospective on Gundam, Zeta, Double Zeta and Char's counter attack in the style of his other long retrospectives! Maybe covering the whole UC?
You also dont point out that the genetic modification robes the coordinators of being special in the eyes of naturals. Remember the scene when lacus sings on the arc angel and several crew members compliment her voice, but then ask how modifications were made to let her sing so well. Kira is offended by this and this is a central theme especially with ral la cruse. He seeks to watch mankind consume itself out jealous. Even the leader of blue cosmos recalls a group of friends being soundly beaten up a coordinator. And angrily asking his mother why she never made him a coordinator. The jelous and hatred that those abilities are not you own. Just fake gifts. And kiras final words, i am not defined by my abilities alone.
I love how much things we got on Gundam Seed, there are so much gold in their characters and personalities, the development of events and even some fights.
The only thing I always heard most people hated and even I noticed it watching it one episode after another in the same hour... is how much they recycled on animations, at some point it was gross... but skipping I simply love Gundam Seed, it will always remind me of how sad humanity is and how much some people worthy will sacrifice to not let them kill themselves, or how powerless you are and try to use nice words which have no value at all unless you can back them up.
the irony is, the reason seed uses SO MUCH recycled scenes is because, its was done cheap, because at that point gundam was basically dead. if anything, seed is the reason gundam got a second wind... again. and its why asia loves seed. seed brought gundam back.
@@marcosdheleno SEED revitalize the franchise and it was meant to be enjoyed by new and older fans. It's my first exposure to Gundam as well.
I like the concept in CE. It's a refreshing take on Gundam. The Coordinators is also interesting take in genetic engineering. All Coordinators but Kira is imperfect and sterile. Kira may be the only fertile Coordinator due to the artificial womb. Envy and hatred and cycle of violence and consequences of fiddling with genes drives the world in SEED. Rau is the result of one's ambition and quest for immortality, that's why he wear the mask as to reject of who is he truly is. The consequences of progress and how far people willing to bend the rules just to achieve their ambitions makes me think would genetic engineering leads to an endless conflict.
Minor notes: the “Jesus Yamato” moniker was used as a complaint over his “death and rebirth” event. Not so much about his capabilities as a pilot.
Also, the Mariallia scene sounds great when dubbed. The way the voice actress calls Dearka “this creep” there is so much disdain in her voice.
I personally think Yamato is a huge virtue signal coward, like dude shot off arms and legs off of some poor grunt's mobile suits, didn't he ever think that their crippled suits would most likely be finished off by others on the battlefield? Yeah sure "I didn't kill them, the others did." He didn't have the balls to face the reality that his hands were covered in blood ever since he first piloted the Strike.
I loved Rau's voice acting in the dub.
@@z54964380 and his irresponsible uses of beam weapon .
Actually the nickname was in place before Destiny. Destiny just cemented it. It's because Kira is too perfect, too good at everything, too kind (sparing everyone). What people miss is that many things in SEED (such as sparing everyone) were done in the UC. For example Kamille kills almost no one in the final sortes leading up the finale, it's just never commented on. And Mwu and Quattro's "death" scenes are identical.
The name actually seems to come from his constant moral grandstanding and how the show always portray him as in the right. Basically he is portrayed as someone who can do nothing wrong. He and Lacus are right and everyone else are wrong.
I remembered watching this on Toonami but was confused when Flay and Kira would hook up cause they'll edit out some scenes, except for the one where Flay lying in bed under the sheets laughing while Kira is running out the door. This makes so much more sense.
Also loved how you talked about how science can be used to divide people and societies. I wonder if scientific racism would be a good word to also describe the hate in Gundam Seed.
Love the work you do and I hope you'll do a video on Gundam Seed Destiny
After more than a decade, there are still many angles and themes from the story left to dissect and explore.
Tq for this video.
Every time outro hit on perfect point of story beat make my heart flare up to the roof. Watching seed series is like watching well acted and written melodrama.
Anna ni issho datta no ni
Yuugure wa mou chigau irooo...
Seed was good. May be not great or best, but really good. I liked it for these moments you brought up.
Now if only Seed Destiny was that humane. It's the first thing that come to my mind when I think of 'sequel that ruin it all'.
It flanderized the returning characters into caricactures of themselves, then pushed the new characters aside for said caricactures.
And that's not even getting into Shinn...how I'm supposed to believe a military decided that he should not only pass basic training but be handed a prototype Gundam I can't understand.
@@dynamicworlds1 To be fair, Shinn is an excellent mobile suit pilot.
@@dynamicworlds1 No answers about passing basic training, but it's mentioned in episode 13 of GSD that the military did not choose Shinn to be the Impulse's pilot: Durandal did. Arthur says that he (and implicitly the rest of the Minerva's crew) expected Rey to be named the Impulse's pilot, but Durandal surprised everyone by giving the Impulse to Shinn instead. They were initially confused by Durandal's decision, but after the events of episode 12 (i.e. Shinn enters SEED mode for the first time and takes down half a dozen ships, two mobile suit carriers, and a brand new mobile armor all by himself in a matter of minutes) they understood it. Durandal analyzed Shinn's DNA and knew he had the potential for SEED mode all along.
Later reveals in Destiny add more layers to Durandal's decision to give Shinn the Impulse. Durandal had the Destiny Plan at the back of his mind for a while and anticipated that Kira would oppose it, so he needed someone to take Kira out beforehand. But people with piloting skill rivaling the Ultimate Coordinator's are extremely rare. He knows Athrun qualifies, but prior to the start of Destiny, he doesn't know where Athrun is and is unsure where his loyalties lie. Rey wanted to fight Kira on Durandal's behalf, but if Rau couldn't beat Kira, Durandal couldn't count on the man's sibling clone to defeat him either.
In comes Shinn, an immigrant from ORB suffering from survivor guilt and PTSD. The kid is at his most psychologically vulnerable (and thus easily manipulated to his cause)... and he has the SEED mode gene (so he can become a pilot as skilled as Kira or Athrun if pushed hard enough). Shinn has everything Durandal needs for an anti-Ultimate Coordinator weapon, so he insists on making sure Shinn becomes that weapon. This includes giving Shinn the Impulse, pardoning him for breaking Stella out of ZAFT custody just in time to pilot the Impulse during Operation Angel Down, and giving him the Destiny as a reward.
True but the funny thing is I bought a random anime magazine in Japanese back in 06 that I couldn’t read and it was featuring GS. I bought knockoff GS dvds because of it and I still don’t regret it.
Now I like SEED as well. SEED Destiny... Not so much...
But you missed one rather perspective to SEED: Rau Le Creuset!
While he is SEED's Char, and we don't learn his reasonings until the same point we learn of Kira's origin, Rau is playing both sides to just see everything burn. And all because he is, sorta, unique from everyone else.
like the Devil lurking in the Shadows
I was dreading this video because I honestly love Gundam SEED, and have a rather overstated reputation with its sequel. I was worried you’d tear it down, but I really loved your reading of it.
Great video.
Thank you someone here isn’t still talking bad about it
Yukki Reddens
Years ago I made a seven part audio series about my dislike of SEED Destiny. I still need to explain I honestly love it’s predecessor.
Personally, I liked SEED but was saddened by it's ruined potential. When I investigated behind the scenes, well, let's just say my sadness turned into outright HORROR. Let's just say the writer for SEED and SEED DESTINY was made by the same person and that person would not allow anyone else to write the scripts and would just SLAUGHTER anyone that goes against him/her. Cagalli's character assassination is partially due to Cagalli's Japanese VA and the writer got into a big fight and SHINN'S JAPANESE VA took Cagalli VA's side and then in spite character assassinated the both of them...
@@TheTrueAdept I found this on the trivia page of TV Tropes. Look at the last one.
What Could Have Been: The original script called for the Strike Rouge to be built by the Earth Alliance instead of Orb, with Azrael placing Flay as its pilot due to her hatred of Coordinators and hoping to use her position as a Fallen Princess to stir up pro Alliance sentiment.
Another rejected concept for the ending involved Azrael sending Flay back to the Archangel with a bomb implanted inside her, and her and Sai dying outside the ship in order to spare the others.
Also in the same interview, Kira was originally going to be killed off, and Athrun would lose an arm in the final episode.
Another idea for the ending would be an ending that was even more of an Kill 'Em All styled ending than the actual ending, with Athrun (while still being maimed in this version as well) apparently being the only surviving member of the main cast. Unlike the other examples, evidence from both the show and interviews suggests that this was indeed going to be the ending of the series and only was averted because the voice actors got too attached to their characters and the immense popularity of the Seed characters among the viewers.
Kira was supposed to die and Athrun is the sole survivor.
Cosmic Era does have the potential but poorly executed. Natural-Coordinator conflict is a great concept and it gives a fresh content to Gundam franchise. Stargazer is the only good thing that came out of Destiny and the GuAIZ are underutilized in Destiny especially the R model.
@@TheTrueAdept In SEED Morosawa was doing series composition. She became the head writer by Destiny. She could've take some rest and let others do it since they did have another writer standing by.
i dont think its fair to say it "left people's minds". seed still is one of the best selling gunpla. and its still a powerhouse in asia(japan included). the whole "seed hate", is more of a western thing. hell they are still making new seed spin offs because of how popular it still is over there.
I love GS. It’s my fav out of the 3 Gundam series so far. I’ve only seen GIBO, GS, and GU. I was planning to watch G 00 and G Wing. I’ve been told they were great too.
@@vandamn1164 i also started with seed, and it also has a special place in my heart, my advice would be to check out the UC side stories, most importantly, the best trio:
thunderbolt, war in the pocket and 8th MS Team. they are BY FAR the best gundam has to offer, i would also count stardust memory, but the last few episodes screw the pooch so hard, its kinda hard not to feel like WHY?(and without giving much spoilers, all i have to say is romance nonsense).
wing is alot of fun, it isnt anything special by today's standard, but its not as generic a x(which isnt bad, just not as good).
00is also solid.
Marcos Danilo thx I’ll make sure to give those a try.👍
@@vandamn1164 good choice. 00 is another really great series. I think IBO is a bit overrated but it's still really good too! Btw you may want to watch the original Gundam series as well and follow the UC timeline from there. Lots of great moments to see.
It's not just a western thing, I remember when SRWZ showed off its PV and the moment it showed the recreation of Shinn stabbing through the Freedom with the Excalibur, the japanese viewers were fucking losing their shit cheering over it. They have never forgiven Kira for usurping the role of main character from Shinn and making the show all about him. Because even if Shinn was not a great character, I don't think anyone can deny that Fukuda and Morosawa did him dirty and squandered any of his potential.
Episode 39, never forget.
Great Stuff Jose! Long time Gundam fan, and while I definitely don't love SEED, it did get me into the series officially. If you ever find yourself with time (LOL) give X a try. It suffered from production issues but I love it.
A story about stupid boy who fall for a wrong girl. Im talking about both series Seed and Seed Destiny.
Shinn and Stela did nothing wrong
@@huy1k995 fuck shin the most none sense character ever
Fukuda and Morosawa?
I am amazed with the internet's collective wisdom especially when it comes to determining if a single Gundam show was good/bad.
I was a child of the 80s/90s and so my first Gundam was Wing. I thought it was pretty good, but the conventual wisdom on threads was Wing was an abomination and deserved a horrible horrible death. When Seed came out in the early 000s the internet was rejoicing at the return of the Messiah. I watched about half of the show and thought it was pretty ok. Fast forward to now and everyone hates on seed so much. It's crazy.
The reason some call him Jesus Yamato is because he survived death 3 times when he shouldn't have not because of his personality.
Hey José what’s your thoughts on Iron blooded Orphans?
I love Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny. Not a joke.
I agree with Seed. Destiny...not so much.
I love gundam seed as well
@@jacobschaller6566 Destiny was ok enjoyable for most part ... But fuck Chairman's dullandal plan stills doesn't make sense to me after more than a decade of thinking about it.
Yeah me to, especially the ost is so beautiful
Luke Lim u’re absolutely right. It bewilders me that how some ppl actually like Durandal plan and put hatred in the kira gang. Did they not imagine themselves being affected by the destiny plan?
Jose knowing exactly how much he's shitposting at the start there, oh man.
I just finished this series and found this video again and I'm so thankful for this thoughtful video
Despite her being a B tier character Mariellia is one of my favorite characters don’t have to be a pilot in Gundam to be an impactful character imo and her character arc is one of the best in the series
God, do I love SEED. The story is good. There's so many good character development. So many good character interactions. I just love it.
Thank you.
Just wanted to pipe up and say that you're getting better at making videos, and that's cool. I noticed that the whole thing was a bit smoother than your videos have been in the past, and the audio mixing is especially nice. Thanks Jose. :3
Well put together video man. Even as a Seed fan I can't ignore the flaws but I haven't seen someone praise its strengths as well as you have
Me when Athrun killed Tolle: this is where the fun begins
I think the fight scene between Kira and Athrun is good but too short, and I think that Kira managed to survive almost without injury is kind of a plot armor
While I love Seed and Destiny Jesus Yamato is Jesus Yamato, in my opinion, because he keeps surviving sitting on top of massive explorations and having no injuries.
I always find this Jesus Yamato strange to hear. I get that he really shouldn't have survived both explosions but I've always wondered why is this picked apart by people but in Wing Hero survived not only the self destruction of the Wing Gundam but the fall from its cockpit to the ground which has to be 40 to 50 feet and no one seems to have any issues with it 🤔.
I can explain why Kira survived the Aegis self-destructing: He was originally intended to die in that scene, but the writers decided to bring him back in the episode he was revealed to be alive (which was the very next episode BTW).
This is basically what happened to Andrew Waltfeld as well (apparently the head writer wanted more "older man" characters when he was brought back); and is... *Probably* what happened with Mu in Destiny - admittedly, it's a bit hard to tell what was originally planned about Destiny when so much of it was influenced by the "fans" and the head writer's own hang ups, like shafting Cagalli's character because he hated her voice actor.
All of which is say that this is an explanation, not an excuse.
Even though Gundam SEED is my favorite Gundam series (and trust me, "8th MS Team" and "War in the Pocket" make for VERY stiff competition; and I've found something to enjoy in almost every Gundam series), when people talk about SEED's habit of bringing characters back from the dead and Kira's resurrections specifically, and how they're bullshit; I will agree with them: it's a genuine writing flaw with the show. And no amount of after-the-fact justifications will fix that, like Kira ejecting the Strike's cockpit(... yes, that was the official reason at some point). And if someone says those survivals are why they don't like the show? I say "that's fair", because we all have different kinds of bullshit we're willing to put up with to enjoy a show, especially Gundam.
Actually, if you'll give me a moment to vent, I had an interesting experience with Turn-A Gundam. See, I heard from people on a Gundam forum that Loran was Kira "done right". I... didn't really see what they saw: he spends most of the show fighting things that are bad at MS combat - demonstrated by when they get slaughtered by "real" MS in the latter third of the show - and when Loran fights those same "real" MS? His no-kill rule was almost immediately dropped.
Here's the thing though: I actually really liked Loran! I clearly understood his motivation and why he has a no-kill rule; his hope and optimism made him really stand out in a cast full of psychos and grumps; and he dresses like a girl because Tomino wanted for him to be a girl, but the executives wouldn't let him. He's not even the only character I really liked in it ether.
The main thing that kept me from really enjoying Turn-A was how almost all the other characters used violence as their FIRST solution to their problems. There's also some protagonist-centered morality in there too, though not as bad as in SEED Destiny... and characters tendancy to talk past eachother, but that's hardly unique to Turn-A.
krizlad a man survived a 75 feet bridge. It is possible to survive, but with a possibility of serious injury.
@@vandamn1164 You forgot to add the fact that Hero was at ground zero when he self destroyed the Wing Gundam which is a huge explosive force on top of the fall. So Hero should have died but again no one seems to have a problem with his surviving all that but take issue with Kira's survival. BTW I'm just scaling the hight Hero was at it could have been a lot higher
I read the title as "Why people hate Gundam Seed Destiny" which to be fair is probably because it's critically panned in the west but in the Asian countries were immensely popular
Because melodrama? Seems like an Asian writing norm.
@@Joshua_N-A as an Asian, i could pretty much confirm it's true. Cuzz honelty out of all the Gundam series out there, SEED is the most Soap Opera drama of the bunch.... And SEED was my first Gundam anime (most Anime Gundam to me was 00)
@@ernestorio3550 SEED is my first exposure to Gundam. Basically K drama with mechas. Despite the harsh feedback from older fans it is the Gundam that revive Gundam by bringing alot of younger and new audiences. I do enjoy UC stuff especially the OVAs. Kind of a bit of let down when Stargazer is just an hour long still the best thing came out of Destiny nonetheless.
@@Joshua_N-A sad to see CE's potential being shadowed by the drama here. And yeah Stargazer is an example of what SEED could have been if it tried to be Gundam (less teen drama, more actual war story from a non combatant perspective)..... But i guess back then Sunrise was trying to win back the audience by trying to be what the general consensus want at the time (by edgy and angst), which didn't age in a long term.
@@ernestorio3550 SEED Cagalli is the best Cagalli.Her comforting a troubled Kira made me wanna ship them but then again Fukuda, the director is a Star Wars guy. Is it weird that I like Flay more than Lacus? Houko Kuwashima did a great job playing 2 characters at once in the scene where Natarle and Flay having a conversation. It's almost makes you think it was voiced by two people.
CE is almost an antithesis to UC. Rau even said that people wont or don't want to understand even if Kira tell them. CE revolves around human nature and humanity's pursuit of progress by any means necessary. The reason Rau wears a mask is that he's a clone of a man that thought he can bribe Death and George Glenn regrets that him giving the manual to make Coordinators had created a much larger conflict. It's also an interesting take on Gundam with flaws in genetic engineering as Coordinators may need a Natural in order to survive as they are getting sterile due to breeding with fellow Coordinators. Flay is probably the best written character. She is a product of Blue Cosmos controlled media and this made her called a bitch by fans due to her behaviour towards Lacus and uses her body to manipulate Kira after he failed to save her father bringing the theme of violent cycle of revenge in Gundam.
Tl;dr CE's untapped potential could've made it one of the if not the best Gundam AU ever. It just need a better execution and some tweaks. Man, they really milking the Astray line. Also am I weird that I like Flay more than Lacus? Lacus could've been the Haman of CE.
Between you and HBomberguy I’m learning a lot about anime I never intend to watch
If anime is something you want to make more videos on, i think it would very interesting to hear your thoughts on Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade. There is a LOT to unpack there, specifically as regards the aesthetics of fascism and its psychological effects.
THIS. I enjoyed the hell of that movie, lots of things to unpack indeed
I've really been meaning to watch that but I just don't seem to get around to it.
@@mechanomics2649 It's worth it. Just don't expect to be uplifted. lol
The Kerberos Panzer Corps did nothing wrong. The Japanese government was plotting against and undermined them at every turn, despite them never ONCE comitting a single act of betrayal against the state prior to the government deciding to wipe them out first. Don't just watch Jin-Roh, watch the other 2 movies Red Spectacles and Stray Dog (the chronology is Jin-Roh, Stray Dog, Red Spectacles), and read the manga. Yes, ultimately their highest loyalty was to their fellow squadmates and not the state, but that's basically true of every police and military unit ever because they're the ones watching your back when the bullets start flying. Regardless, they did their job as a counter-terrorist unit without even a hint that their loyalty as a unit was wavering, yet the government was so paranoid that a group that's that good at killing terrorists might some day turn on them, that their answer was to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by massacring the Kerberos and thus turning them against the state. So the Kerberos attempt a coup to save their own skin, and are slaughtered. The only difference between the events in Jin-Roh vs the manga is in the manga, the girl kills Inui (the character Fuse is based on) because in the end she's still a terrorist and has no desire to end the cycle of violence, while in the movie Fuse kills Kei for the sake of the unit and because Kei is directly tied to a corrupt rogue faction of the state (Public Security).
And the most telling part of it all was what the government replaced them with: genetically enhanced assassins with submachine guns who wear white suits and mime makeup with a permenant smile painted onto their face. A deliberate "putting a happy face on counter-terrorism" by the state, a way of making everything going on seem good and normal. You can call the Protect Gear the Kerberos wear authoritarian and imposing, and that's true, but that's the point. It's honest, it's blunt, it tells it like it is. It doesn't hide its cruelty behind a smile. That is the difference between them and the mimes, it is "we are oppressing you" vs "we are oppressing you, but don't worry about it, it's all ok, this is for your own good and you'll appreciate it in the end". As CS Lewis once famously said, to quote him here, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." Ghibli's Miyazaki talked about this very danger during his conversation with Mamoru Oshii in regards to Patlabor 2 the Movie.
@@PhantomAlucardnames gundam seed
Thank you for reminding me that SEED is my favourite anime and I really really really need to watch it again.
I liked the regular Seed the second part lost me though
This was very good, would love to see more. Thank you for putting this out.
Very enjoyable and loved how you covered one of my favorite Gundam series.
Great video. As a Gundam SEED and Destiny fan, I've always found the duology to be so intriguing with the premise, technology, and characters. The bandwagon might be strong, but that won't shake the rest of the fans from the hype of the movie that's to come out in 2023.
Also, I believe you should do an analysis on Shinn Asuka, as his character is quite interesting for a parallel of Kamille, at least in my opinion.
This video makes me want to rewatch SEED and SEED Destiny lol. Jesus Yamato is definitely more apparent in Destiny lmao I love em tho
If you have 200$ you can get a blu ray set in december.
In the original planning, Athrun was to be the sole survivor of Three Ships Alliance, missing an arm and a leg.
@@Joshua_N-A so he’s supposed to be kaz from mgsv?
Honestly I do like seed, seed destiny is where everything got f up.
Yep. They wanted to shove in our threat that character named shinn boy he should've die
I'm not a Gundam watcher, but I still enjoyed the video. It's an interesting topic, to be sure. Also you have a very soothing voice and cadence and I've been super manic today so that helps too
I hate:
- Seed lack char development
- Boring protag (kira), shin was more interesting than kira until he turn into jerrid messa in 2nd half
- those acronym -"random bullshit GO!!"
- plot hole
The "Jesus Yamato" moniker came from those gundam fans that revere Kira as "The best Gundam Protagonist" not necessarily because of his abilities. And also there's the fact that he survives explosions even previous gundam protags (except for Heero "self destruction boy" Yuy) couldn't.
I honestly think Gundam SEED would've been infinitely better if Athrun was the protagonist, not Kira. Now that I've watched the first two of the main three(UC), I can say that SEED tried to recapture the magic of eaarly UC, they succeeded to a degree by giving us a new "newtype" but for everything else, now that I'm looking back on SEED, all I can say is "wow, that's just what they exactly did in 79 and Zeta.
Just think about it, an enemy soldier being captured/ defecting to your side, would make the story far more interesting when the whole schtick of the SEED series is banking on the fact that "this series is a remake of gundam 79"
Also, watch Gundam Turn A, it is Tomino's Magnum Opus and you can't convince me otherwise.
seed was made as a reboot of sorts of the original, so yeah, it makes sense it follows in many steps. however, it never tried to become the new "0079" as many people think, with as many similarities as it has, it also has alot of diferences in both character development and the conflict itself. seed is its own thing, just like 00 isnt just a copy of wing.
"SEED tried to recapture the magic of early UC"
That was the reason SEED was made in the first place XD. And considering that SEED revived the anemic Mecha genre in early 2000s, they did a real good job in rebooting the Gundam franchise with SEED. You can't blame the team behind SEED for fulfilling their established goals.
@@androyus more than that, they did it while having a(pretty much at the time) dead franchise, and almost no money to make it.
@@marcosdheleno How did it become almost dead? I thought G Gundam and Gundam Wing were smash hits?
@@PossessedbyPhoenix x not so much, it was successfull, wing for sure, but the problem was what came after,
X
now, in the west, X is beloved, but in asia... people hate it. it kinda became more apreciated in the last couple of decades,
then came turn A, and dont get me wrong, i love Turn A, but man, people in japan DID NOT. and turn A wasnt cheap, from the design to the animation, they invested heavily, and it was not a money maker...
g was released in 94
wing in 95
X in 96
then they waited 2 and a half years to release Turn A.
and then around another 2 and a half to release seed.
Thanks, I love it. Seed is my fave series, but it's pretty interesting to see it in a new light - I wasn't a very nice person when I first watched it so back then it boiled down to "smashing giant robots awesome!". Good video.
It's nice to see a video from someone who understand SEED instead of haters who simply trash-talk it. I wish I could give you more than one like. Keep up the good work!
im six minutes in as someone who never watched or cared about Gundam as a series.
im having a weird moment.
i think to some extent i harbored a lot of hatred. not at any specific group, but just toward humanity. i think ive been trying to contain my hatred by letting it defocus and watching this video im having the epiphany that hatred isnt really something that we can contain as individuals.
i cant keep a growing hatred of humanity and still be a healthy person. it will bleed into every opportunity it has.
watching how those two hated made me realize i have some inner work to do.
uh thanks jose. i guess i needed this video
There's this really great moment in Gundam Unicorn where a really minor character that is never seen again says that a principle character who started dropping asteroids on the planet after it became clear that earth's politicians and people were unwilling to move to space so the earth's climate could get a break says that he is unsure if said principle character "ever really loved humanity."
Honestly I think the themes Jose gives SEED credit for are present in all of Gundam and discussed better elsewhere--it's just that the problem with things like Unicorn is that it is less accessible if you aren't familiar with the franchise history.
@@christopherferrin5662 to be honest, this is actually a problem in a lot of media. videos like this do a great job of introducing people like me, who saw snippets of episodes growing up but never sat down and watched the entire content of each show, to the major themes and concepts which underpin the show.
I didn't enjoy Seed personally, but I really appreciated this video. Good work!
I rewatched the series recently after about 12 years since the last time. I forgot about some deaths and it was like watching it all over again for the first time. What a good series.
Honestly, I feel excited to hear you talk more about Gundam Seed as well as quite a few of the others. Also, while Seed isn't my favorite Gundam show, it's definitely better than what most people give it credited, especially since that's what helped get me to watch the other shows.
seed is one of the best starter gundams, because its literally the first gundam for alot of people, me included(well i watched bits and pieces of wing before). its also the series that revived gundam to the absurd high it exists now. so much so, that you can see the jump in animation quality(meaning money), they were able to invest in 00 compared with seed(and destiny).
@@marcosdheleno in 00, they finally master digital animation and the result is little to no stock footage.
This anime will always be part of my childhood. It's inaccurate, complicated, it have Mary Sue characters, bad plot, nonsense characters, bad writing. But I will still love it. It's not perfect, it's a disaster but it will always be cherished childhood memory. It's special and will always be iconic for me.
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I think you're talking about Gundam Seed Destiny. Seed is solid. Who is a Mary Sue? Lacus? Who is literally adored by many people as a pop singer then reveals herself as being quite aware of war, with the help of Andrew Waltfeld and because of her influence, she's able to bring many to her side, both in war and ideology. Seriously, I'm curious who you think the Mary Sue is...
@@JustinVillemureKira
How did he survive the Aegis explosion?
We still have no idea
And then how did he end up in Space?
Supposedly the red frame pilot found him but it’s so contrived
@@MadDragonify You can be confused, that's fine. Kira was designed to be stronger than all other coordinators, he was taken to space via Lacus and her alliance on Earth. It might not be the strongest written, but its fine enough. Every Gundam show has some questionable things in it lol...Get over yourself.
I found seed's melodrama believable. I want to add Tolle and Nicol's deaths felt so impactful and are still iconic because you truly believed how important these people were to their friends, so Kira and Athrun's hate for each other comes off as reasonable, honest, and real.
I agree with what you mean this was my first gundam show growing up along with the 00 series. When I first saw this show I was 12 and couldn't process what was going on and 12 years later, I rewatched it and then understood what it was about. It changed my view on people and that we shouldn't give in to hate. Hatred is like a parasite: it controls our actions and the more we feed it, the more it takes away something from us until we have nothing.
Anime is the topic I didn't know I needed from you, sir. Please continue.
Bruh I got this notification while downloading the gundam seed art book lol, ive never even seen gundam, I just decided I wanted to learn to draw mechs today
Kunio Okawara always deliver.
Seed = Flay
Destiny = Shin
Most people who watched both seasons hate these characters making them hate seed series.
Although I hate flay, I have to say that Shinn is my favorite gundam pilot (if u ignore some stuffs in the late half of destiny)
So True... only few ppl realise this tho.. by the end they had to kill off Flay cos Lacus was the fave character of the authors wife.. so they had to trash the awesome plot with her on it.. ugh missed opportunity..
Not really
I dislike seed cause they reuse the same 5 animation gifs enough for me to notice, and the pace is real slow
Plus the message it tries to convey is something pretty obvious i already knew
Well, Flay is probably the most realistically written character in that show, honestly. Was actually kinda sad that she died even though I hated her character most of the show.
i kinda find it weird they have a gun "conveniently" tucked away in sick bay.
This was one of the first anime I remember watching! I remember a specific scene where the crew of the main ship (archangel i think?) defects from the earth forces and they essentially decide to fight to stop the war, and even as a young person I thought that was a cool as hell narrative.
As a long-time Gundam fangirl with very strong opinions on the franchise, let me just say this based on the first 3 seconds: I absolutely love that you think so highly of Seed, it is criminally underrated and deserves infinitely more appreciation (especially from the western fanbase) than it gets. Awesome stuff.
Destiny is very flawed, but even it has a lot of great ideas under the surface that just never got the air they needed to breathe and it's a real shame.
I dont really get why people hate seed. It's certainly not my favorite thing to come from gundam but I like it a lot. My one major complaint is I think it recycles far to much from past shows (particularly the original gundam) without making any sort of meaningful change to them.
Poggers, And While I have felt neutral to Seed, I can say that It is not that bad. Honestly Wing was way worse in my opinion
@@Zephyrs009 I know a lot of people love wing, and Zechs is admittedly a great character. But man a lot of it isnt good
@@anenemystand5582 wings Problem for me is It's mostly Nothing Cast if Characters basically doing nothing that interesting. Like Of The characters I like, I'd say only Duo, Zechs, and Treize are likeable, but Zechs is a Char Clone so He pales in comparison to who he's riffing and Duo got done better by Garrod From X in my opinion. The only thing Wing has nowadays is Treize, and He's great and all, but he can't hold a show single-handed for me.
Seed, despite my Annoyance with Lacus and Mixed feelings to Kira, It has a very strong Supporting cast in my opinion, even when they do directly take from 0079. Theres more than 3 designs I like Unlike wing (Those 3 being the Leo, Tallgeese, and Heavyarms), and It has a better OST. The only thing Wing really has over seed is Animation but Moreso because of Just its Artstyle and Sunrise studio 1 having their first go with Digital in Seed. Otherwise they're about the same for me.
As for why people hate seed, I'd say it's a Mix of Not watching it and only going off what other people say and It's Artstyle not being very... Bluntly put Enjoyable, with it being in that weird period where Studios were trying to understand how to Digitally animate.
My overall opinion of Seed is... it's okay. Not a masterpiece, not The worst thing ever, But Of what I've seen, It's a solid 6 for me. Fine enough, but I doubt I'll rewatch it soon.
My ranking btw is X=Thunderbolt>0079>Witp>00>Seed>IBO>Wing (haven't seen the rest of UC, G, Age or Turn A. Once I'm done with 0079 I'll get to G and back to Zeta.)
I'm the so called "Gundam CE timeline fans" will always love GS, GSD and Stargazer.
I grown up watch this when I'm still in elementary school.
But, I really do understand why people hate this series so much because I hear their opinion. Most of their argument sound solid because yeah, it is like they said it's lacking something and miss the target.
Also, the English dub definitely superior but we don't get one on remastered, so yeah...
They just announced a Blu Ray set that has the HD Remaster on it last week. It’ll have a new English dub though.
Great to see another fan of the CE era. I like the Japanese voice actor better personally. Athrun voice is just a lot more sexy in Japanese
Gundam Seed Series Was a War Rule BY HATRED AND THAT HATRED ALMOST DESTROY THE WORLD
Amazing video! Love the new theme song too :D
And I'm not sure what my favourite anime is (there are too many that I love), but one that I watched recently and loved is Parasyte.
Unexpected vid but still one that I'll watch all the way thru ❤️
This has always been my favourite series and I have a lot of merch ranging from games, toys and manga just from Seed and Destiny. I can easily rewatch the whole series, while others that I enjoy tons such as Wing, is harder to revisit
I have very fond memories of Gundam Wing from my childhood... but rewatching it now, with my understanding of story telling, greater ability to grasp themes - its not very good. Its beautiful, the art is amazing, but it lacks in characters, story and meaningful themes... Endless Waltz is still really good, but Wing the series, yeah, I don't see myself revisiting it anytime soon. Seed, I am watching once more, as I do think its a very good Gundam Series (doing right the things I mentioned Wing failed at).
@@JustinVillemure it’s good to see that nostalgia isn’t blinding us for modern viewing. Just like many people back in the day, Wing introduced me to the Gundam franchise when it was on Toonami and I was obsessed as a kid but it’s not that great to watch apart from a few key battles.
The same applies to video games such as Goldeneye. Amazing back in the day but painful to revisit all these years later, and yet people still blindly praise it as still been the best.
Good video about show I didn't enjoy that much. However, you make good points and I can see why you think like you do.
My personal favorite Gundam is Turn A. It also discusses hatred, but I feel it approaches it from different angle: whole story is based around people unabilty and disinteret to communicate and trust each other because of their differences. Paranoia, fear and distrust sewn between Iglessian people and Moonrace, along with people profiting and enjoying the terror it causes is the true villain of Turn A.
Most people on both sides are fundamentally good people, to extent anyway, both their complete unwillingness to forget, forgive and try to understand other side washes away even their good intentions, leaving only cold and horrible hate for the differing side.
I personally think that the most poignant moment of Turn A, maybe even all of Gundam, is simple one where our main character Loran and his friends help farmer transport live stock, cows to be specific to his new farm.
What makes this so important is how they do this and who the farmer is: he's one of the Moonrace, people that have lived for centuries in Moon and just now have returned home/started conquering Earth from point of people living there.
Despite Loran fighting for Earth's Militia forces, chooses he still help this man, despite him being technically one of enemy: but Loran doesn't see him that way. He sees him as a honest, good man trying his best to survive and strive in land both strange and hostile.
Even more, Loran hopes that by helping him settle in the farm not far from Earth people, they can see that these feared and hated "enemies" are just like them: people, just trying their best amidst all chaos and war. No stranger or scarier than you or me. Difference between the two is arbitary and made up, just to stoke fear and anger, and so doesn't need to be.
Second importan note is that Loran is using The White Doll, titular Turn A Gundam to transport the precious livestock. That's right, Loran is using Turn A, a terribly powerful weapon of war he has used single handedly to win entire battles... to carry cows. They're even situated at silos meant for possibly nuclear weapons! This machine that could wipe armies, is now used to gently carry life inside of it. And Loran seems to think this much more important than when using it for combat. Turn A might have been meant for killing, but Loran found something far greater to use it for: help a man to start a new life.
It might not make up for all killing and destruction that Turn A has caused, but it really strengthens the message of leaving behind our bloodstained past and moving towards tomorrow. Past, even dark one is just that: past. We can move on from it, learn from it and make sure that tomorrow will be better. We can build tomorrow without hate and misunderstanding. Turn a turn towards word without hatred and fear. Like a butterfly tearing itself from its cocoon and spreading its wings, we can change and soar too.
Nothing beats the Gundam in 79, you had to be there to see the greatness that it was. I was so lucky.
my only memory of seed was the princess giving the equivalent of the nuke codes to the guy she thinks is hot that is on the other side of the war her country is fighting. because young love
I disliked seed destiny more. The reused animation, the curbstomp final battle etc. But seed series did give us awesome gundam (model kit) and dope music.
But what about Zeta
Zeta is great. AEUG the only morally good faction in the entire UC
@@cabbage2587 I think you mean Londo Bell. Despite it's good intentions of dealing with the Titans AUEG was in the pocket of big business like Melanie Carbine. They also didn't have much of an idea of what to replace the Titans and Neo Zeon with, which just made way for their former leader to attempt his own colony drop.
@@congrilla- that only happened because of what happened to Kamille...if the AEUG had a more decisive victory I don't think it would have played out that way. Londo Bell still made way for the events of Hathaway's Flash. Londo Bell is also mostly former AEUG members...so it feels more semantic to say their better than the AEUG since its what they were previously.
It might be true that Seed handles this kind of analysis of hatred in a unique and interesting way. But I really don't think the video did a good job defending the overall quality of seed. I agree with Zeta, and frankly it's really hard to put Seed above any of my favourite Gundam series - even though Seed is where I started.
Off the top of my head, Zeta and Turn A jump to mind as series that particularly touch on themes of hatred whilst also being, in my opinion, better series. I will say that Zeta in particular started off kind of disappointing to me, I actually just finished 79 and by the end of that series there's a fair amount of thematic depth. By contrast early Zeta seemed kind of meaninglessly edgy. I changed my mind later on, and Kamille is one of my favorite characters in fiction.
That said, a lot of the new type stuff is really more about transhumanism than hatred. So I can see why Seed might be preferred for that kind of discussion. I don't agree, but it is a more straightforward look at such a theme.
@@congrilla- I would disagree that Londo Bell was better they are apart of the federation while the Aeug even with its problem were still contolists. Contolism can only be achieved when you destroy capitalism even Deikun called outs capitalists as a problem in his speech Zeon's Call. Char is a completely different person and his beliefs became closer to the Zabi's then what his father believed while char in zeta is closer to his father than the zabi's.
My favorite video of yours so far, great stuff. Never got too into Gundam, but ill add it to the list.
Favorite anime is Gurren Lagann btw
Now I'm sad that I missed out on this particular series, I'll have to get my hands on it. Samurai Pizza Cats was my original introduction into anime and it's a wild ride on how it came to be.
give it a try, seed is worth a watch. it does have alot of recycled scenes and animations, but that's because of how cheaply made it was.
Finally someone who actually likes Kira Yamato.
Got into Gundam not too long ago, watched nearly every show by now and by far my favourite was Seed and Seed Destiny.
About the Jesus Yamato point, I'm actually unsure if it started out as criticism. I wasn't around at the time, but from what I got alot of people back then worshipped Kira, unironically calling him Jesus Yamato. Nowadays it's def more in use as a random criticism tho.
UC is the best
@@zudahkai94 I love the UC but SEED is literally a remake of it and many of the things people hate in SEED can literally be found in 0079 and Zeta and CCA, which is about as "pure" UC as you can get. SEED is more true to the UC than Unicorn is.
Destiny cemented the Jesus nickname after Shinn impaled the Freedom, which really should have killed Kira on the spot.
And we still don't know how Neo Roanoak is alive...
@@JackgarPrime The Aegis exploding a few feet away from him should have killed him too yet he also survived that somehow.
@@zudahkai94 tbh the only uc shows i like are Zeta and ZZ
Is this the start of a José Anime arc!?!? I'm here for it!
Excellent video. I hope you continue your anime and Gundam videos.