Why Some Cops Think They're The Punisher
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- This is a brief video on why cops are wearing The Punisher's logo. I had wanted to go into a few other things, such as how a certain right wing militia also used the logo, though I was worried it would have gotten a bit off track.
For the record, I do enjoy The Punisher as a character in limited amounts, but I've always found the fandom around the character to be problematic. Some of the comments from police and military personnel in particular were worrying. I only shared a few in this video, but far too many people see this morally grey (at best) character as some ultimate arbiter of right and wrong. The idea of a deeply flawed man somehow being perfect at dispensing final justice seems like wish fulfillment in a lot of ways, so I can understand why someone would want to believe that. I think it would be better for people to raise their aspirations a little higher though, looking at character who reshape the world, instead of transforming themselves into something above it all.
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"Have you noticed our caps have actually got little pictures of skulls on them?"
"What? I don't--"
"Hans ... are we the baddies?"
Was thinking about this too.
Yeah....
What is this quoted from? It sounds familiar.
@Urrcreavesh what about pure aryan skull shape? XD XD
@thievesarmy Yes, that is the joke of the skit.
I love how Disney can stop a dead child from having Spider-Man on his grave, yet won’t stop cops from having a punisher skull on their vehicles and gear.
It’s almost like capitalists support institutions that preserve hierarchy
@@zuzible2270 hey leave capitalism out of this. The government preserve corporate interest and oppression
@@nathanielgarza9198 ah, it's like a cycle of tyranny. the government supports corporate interests, so the capitalists help the government preserve and advance hierarchy.
@@cybersaiyan9596 yea, but here’s the difference we as the people of the United States are free to tear down the hierarchy anytime you want. And I’ll be waiting patiently till you do
@@nathanielgarza9198 well, we can't do that directly, we have to do that within the democratic process we have, which i would say is not the best. the four major things i have a problem with it is that i don't feel that either party properly represents my interests (they feel like the same party with a different coat of paint), lobbying should have been outlawed at the birth of our nation, people wanting to be elected have to appeal to corporate interests to get their campaign funded, and gerrymandering is blatantly antidemocratic and i have no idea how anyone thought that was a good idea.
If the cops who wear the punisher logo actually followed Castle's ethos, they'd "murder" the career of the bad/corrupt cops in their own departments by holding them accountable and report their wrong doings with no regard to how it could negatively affect their own lives/careers.
Boost.
There's actually a "what-if..." comic where this more or less happens. His family doesn't die in the mob hit and he joins the police department, but when he tries to report the department's corrupt officers, they kill his family
@@tacticallyaquiredhat1939 holy shit, link?
@@tacticallyaquiredhat1939 Yes please link
@@tacticallyaquiredhat1939 that's a little too real
Frank Castle: "I'm literally a bad person and no one should ever be like me. If anyone tries to do what I do, I will kill them."
Cops and military: "Wow yaaaas bestie you're so quirky"
Military I’m fine with cops I’m not
@@liamcastillo2902same
Why did this make me laugh tho like your not wrong man lol
@@liamcastillo2902 I think it's still problematic when the military idolizes him because the punisher is a loose cannon who doesn't follow any orders. He's not exactly the model soldier lol.
@@emmae11685 he’s cold and calculated and follows a strict moral code
Even the punisher in the comics says that cops shouldm´t copy him
It really sucks how many American agencies meant to protect the people wear the punisher symbol as if it's a symbol of heroism or justice without knowing the full context of the characters purpose and story. It's appropriation and probably just for a scare tactic.
And Frank's anti racist
@@tylercafe1260 Not disagreeing with you here, just adding: how much context does it take to understand that human skulls symbolize dead human beings and that isn't something public servants should ever glorify?
Tyler Cafe oh they know. They just don’t care. Don’t assume they’re stupid, that’s a fatal error.
if anything they should be copying captain America or hell Superman. try to be human then be cops. not the other way around man.
The Punisher is an awesome character. But I certainly wouldn’t trust any police officer wearing his skull. I mean talk about broadcasting your violent vigilante goals.
yea, these cops are evidence of a shitty hiring policy
The Punisher is an awesome character. He is also a criminal. A murderer who forgoes the entire legal process which exists for a reason.
Der Aua and?
Der Aua ok
@@nathanx2000. how are going to "be the law" and larp as a mercenary who breaks the law? I must have missed that instalment of the Punisher where he beats and pepper sprays college students exercising their first amendment rights.
"I'll say this once, we're not the same, you took an oath to uphold the law, you help people. I gave all that up a long time ago, you don't do what I do, nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America. He'd be happy to have you." Punisher #13 July 2019. Even the Punisher doesn't condone these people.
Boost.
It's tradition for the right to completely misunderstand fiction and twist it into something that supports them.
Shit, I've met the guy who helped create the Punisher.
@@JnEricsonx You've met Gregory Conway? Dude whats he like?
@@dannytheman1313 He seemed a nice guy. Signed a little poster of the Punisher's first appearance as the cover of one of the Spiderman issues. Talked about how stuff like Death Wish lead to his creation. He did comment on how Frank would NOT want cops to be like him.
"I'll say this once. We're not the same. You took an oath to uphold the law. You help people. I gave all that up a long time ago. You don't do what I do. Nobody does. You boys need a role model? His name is Captain America, and he'd be happy to have you."
'To protect, and serve, and act like 13 year-old edgelords.'
More like "Punish and Dominate"
@@willowarkan2263 sounds hot but idk how i feel about gun edgeplay
@@willowarkan2263 OH YES, PUNISH ME DADDY ~
@@hamluk_ I am sure some gun nuts go that far, not most, but I am sure there are some.
@@willowarkan2263 get out of your left-wing echo chamber gun control is not good
Police seem to forget that Punisher started out as a Spiderman villain before becoming an anti hero
They seem to forget that he’s probably not a friend to cops either
Let's be real.
He's never been an anti-hero, he's always been a villain
And killed Nazis and the KKK
Im guessing very few cops have actually read the source materia
@@Ddraculafactory get nerds to gatekeep Punisher to cops, it would be hysterical
Friend of mine was in Iraq, he said anyone they saw wearing a Punisher skull on their uniform or gear was guaranteed a cringelord.
Can confirm. :/
I wouldn’t mind adorning the skull if I was an officer, it’s cool looking especially that flag variation
Didn’t know that seal team 3 are cringe lords but ok.
The irony of them using Punisher iconography without realizing police brutality is exactly something the Punisher would kill you for is not lost on intelligent people or actual comic book fans.
"He has a job to do and he does it...no rules other than his own..."
That is...the exact *opposite* ...of military service & law enforcement...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the cops fuckin hate the punisher in the comics. It's really weird to see vigilantism being glorified by people who are supposed to uphold the law.
@@Scooter_Alice That's what you get when you build a society entirely on rugged individualism.
@@loub1877 I don't think it's individualism, as much as it is cops just being trained to think of themselves as being soldiers, even though that's not the role they're meant to fill
As the past few weeks proved, the U.S. military is not the police, and both National Guard and active duty let that be known. Our military is not perfect, but this is not their mess, and they wont fix it like the sociopath cops and politicians wanted them to by using military grade lethal force which is the only mode the military has.
@@Scooter_Alice It's a little more complicated than that. The official stance of the police in every precinct is that the Punisher is a murderous psychopath who needs to be locked away in a very dark hole. As far back as I've been reading the character though, there have been cops that root for Frank and willfully turn a blind eye or drag their feet in investigating his actions. This gets even more complicated by the fact that people like Nick Fury tacitly endorse his actions every time they decide he's a useful violent psychopath and sic him on some international criminal in the name of creating plausible deniability for SHIELD. The Punisher is basically an action movie protagonist in a superhero setting, so the narrative contrives to make his actions justified in the moment, but his battle is as never-ending as Superman's (and much more prone to spark street wars).
Some cops have the mentality of a punisher rather than a civil servant.
Policing as an institution was founded upon hunting down freed slaves. “Civil servant” is the line they came up with to justify sticking around once that job became obsolete-they continued hunting down black people and enslaving them, just in prisons instead of plantations. Some cops take this to the extreme, whereas some cops genuinely believe the copaganda they’ve been fed and genuinely want to do a good job, but absolutely refuse to stand up to those cops who only care about power and control.
@@kayleawilson Police in the *US*, that is. Don't you go dragging the rest of the world through their dirty laundry
Bimpy the Wimpy Shrimpy yes because the rest of the world notoriously didn’t partake in slavery, imperialism, or colonialism; thank you for the correction....
@@kayleawilson They did, but that wasn't where the "police" evolved from. For example, in the United Kingdom they did actually start as a (albeit semi-private) institution for controlling crime.
they literally admitted helping people is not their job, only enforcing the law (while breaking it)
It’s even worse because The Punisher usually has such and ACAB vibe to its comics. Frank Castle does what he does because the system too often protects the people who are most deserving of consequences. He’d probably pursue the very cops who so readily embrace his iconography.
The Punisher is a fascinating character but he is a crazed man who has a uncontrollable need to kill and that has nothing to do with "protect and serve".
If there was an arc where the Punisher killed cops brutalizing communities, I wonder how that would be received...
With him saying the one liner: "Blue lives don't matter today."
I'd almost want to read that just to hear Fox News scream from the mountains.
I need this now.
"SJWs have gone TOO FAR, EXTREME LEFT Punisher writer condones KILLING COPS in his new mini series" ...or something like that.
@@Ghost_of_Avalon Frank already killed Nazis
I like the punisher as cliche and silly as his stories can be, but as a fictional character. A mentally unstable, heavily armed vigilante is about as close to the antithesis of a law enforcement officer as I can think of. Its not really something you should be transferring to your real life.
You do know criminals exist? Right?
@Aditya Chavarkar not really
@@steliostoulis1875 True. Criminals are much easier to sentence than misguided officers.
@@lincolnduke The true criminals never get a scratch on them, or once they have outlived their usefulness
No it's not the "antithesis" of law enforcement, atleast not of the actual culture of law enforcement, the US has an epidemic of trigger happy law enforcement who think themselves equivalent to cowboy superheroes who are beyond reproach or fallibility
The entire fucking point of The Punisher is that violence breeds more violence. Every time Frank kills a criminal, ten more replace that criminal. Every kid who idolizes The Punisher becomes a vigilante and spreads more violence. Every cop who sees The Punisher argues that police need to act more like him. These people missed the entire fucking point of the character. It's not an endorsement; it's a fucking warning.
Its not a warning if you want a world like this. Bad things happen no matter what because some people are inhertinly evil in their minds. So fighting crime to make the world better was never the goal. Its about punishing those who act "bad" and feel good about it. Its about being the "good guys" and being "right" regardless of reality.
You clearly do not read The punisher
Considering how absolutely fucked up Superheroverses like Marvel are(Unhinged Engineers who are capable of developing some nightmarish weaponry, demonic entities and alien Monsters/Demigods), Marvel unitentionally justifies shit the Punisher pulls.
@@419chris419 You clearly don’t understand the character.
@@JWinterhaven No, you completely misinterpreted the story about a mentally damaged man hunting down those he deems to be unworthy of living in his mad crusade against crime.
The Punisher: "I will do all the things that the police can not do".
The Police: Let's do everything The Punisher does!
Sir, I believe your comment is taken out of context. It is the value set that the punisher holds as a person who rights wrongs. A person who knows only personal sacrifice for the benefit of the greater good that he’ll never get to see. This is why it resonates with military and cops. It’s a direct correlation. Characters that resonate with us do because of experiences. I don’t believe most people who don the skull have ever read the punisher, they take the surface of what he is and adopt it. That seems fine to me. It’s all good I reckon if it doesn’t to you I just wanted to offer a different perspective.
@@antonjackson9934The things they say before shooting you lmao
@@antonjackson9934 🥾 👅
They don’t see the rules that stop them from murdering as rules they see them as limitations and that’s scary as hell.
If we have cops who think laws just stop them from getting "justice" then what the fuck is the point of laws in the first place.
Apaullo
*LibErAl gAY cOMmIe aGEnDA.*
Apaullo That’s when you know you live in a police state
Garlic Idk that sounds massively anecdotal, if you think the average cop wants to go through the phycological turmoil of killing a suspect your not thinking straight, they’re just people at the end of the day
Apaullo the fact your asking that question just proves you are a beneficiary of modernity, crime is going down year after year so it’s easy to forget. Giving the state a monopoly on violence was the best decision to limit violent crime our society has ever made, if people attempted to revenge themselves (like the hole point of the Punisher) there would be escalation and perpetuation. A lot of laws are attempting to prevent victimless crimes so that’s stupid but poo pooing the whole situation is woefully ungrateful to the state of affairs we’re experiencing
So, "Are we the baddies?" from Mitchell And Webb applies here.
Nice reference.
"I just noticed....we've got little skulls on our squad cars..."
Get out of my head.
See the 2015 German movie "Look whose back" where Hitler time travels from WW2. The movie is satirical but I thought that the fasch would embrace it because It sort of glorified Hitler from time to time and made it seem like his worldview is exactly what Germany needs to succeed. Later the youtube comment sections proved my dread. It's probably cult classic in the alt right circles right now. So I don't think racist comedies work no matter what because the ethno-nationalists can't comprehend satire and will use it as propaganda to recruit kids. There is also black face and lots of anti muslim stuff there, and the imaginary Hitler calls them pests -_-
I mean I really can't think of anything worse as a symbol than a skull.
Ah yes let's use the symbol of a PTSD stricen Maniac who literally lost everyone he ever loved, that seems like it would bring peace and safety
It’s so funny bc punisher is one of the most anti-establishment Marvel characters and he would definitely be against government sanctioned violence on innocent people
Lucky the US government doesn’t sanction violence on its own population in the 21st Century.
Find it strange how you’d want to be a “punisher” police officer when the act of punishing should be carried out by the court system
Cops and military men unironically talking like edgelords would be hilarious if it weren’t deeply, deeply concerning and disturbing.
The worst part is that we hail in his Heroes when they come home. When in fact, they were terrorists and murderers in a foreign land.
PTP120122 just want you to know your being pretty edgy right now
*”I CAn B yUOR ANGLE OR YUOR DEVil”*
PTP120122 fucking nerd
You look like you cry when Starbucks spells your name wrong.
As a Marine veteran of 5 years, let me put it this way:
These guys are all caught up in wanting to be the Punisher that they forget to act like Captain America
That's basically what the punisher said in a comic book to a bunch of cops who admire him.
Not surprising that double digit IQ, former high school bullies do not understand the irony of a cop wearing the Punisher logo
I understand and agree with your sentiment but IQ isnt real, and cops also kill more mentally disabled people than any other demographic.
Lmao. True. A huge idiot bully from high school became a cop, and he makes the dumbest, illogical posts. The dude stayed stupid for the 8 years he's graduated from high school. And he somehow still thinks I was ever his friend lmao.
Wow stereotyping much?
@@PeterPan54167it's an accurate stereotype.
So...the public complains that the cops are acting like violent vigilantes. And some of them respond by adopting the insignia of a violent vigilante. Is that meant as a direct middle finger to the critique, a massive lack of self-awareness, or a combination of the two?
Cops are more likely than not that idiot meathead from high school. The majority of cops either have a GED or a HS diploma.
Middle finger.
@@marccolten9801 Middle finger with a lack of self awareness.
God they are so dumb
Lady Grey They do bar high-IQ people so... yes.
@@ladygrey4113 The sheer number of modern-day police officers who only joined the force because they weren't good enough to make it in the military & washed out of boot camp says a LOT about why things are the way they are.
Especially when you consider how rapidly the nation's police/sheriff's departments have been militarized over the past 10-20 years or so...
Kinda ironic that Frank Castle in the comic actually hate cops and think they are incompetent and corrupt
One of the most important things about the punisher in the comics is he is fricking insane and a satist who enjoys seeing people tortured even after avenging his family he keeps going because he likes to fight and kill
If a cop thinks he’s the punisher....he’s actually quite the opposite
Why can't we have a miniseries featuring the Punisher hunting down corrupted cops - especially those who use his emblem?
There was a "what if?" Were Frank became a cop in new york in the 70's and the ones who killed his family were corrupt cops because he refused to go dirty, then he went on a Serpico fuelled violent rampage against corrupt cops.
@@elroma7712 honestly the sad thing is, even for comics; that's not really much of an exaggeration, my aunt used to be in the police force and her colleagues tried to break into her own home and murder her because she was actually doing her job and making them look bad.
Immortal, Algae-covered Jellyfish WTF
@@gibsonn2018 there was a man (i forgot what town) who was an officer, reported another officer for i think either brutality or sexual assault, they put pictures of cheese on his desk, they put a real dead rat on his windshield and when he called for backup, nobody came. literally putting his life at risk because he wouldn't let an officer get away with illegal activity. like, tf
@@basedbattledroid3507 Full story? Reminds me of Lawrencia Bembrook.
The Punisher believes the justice system is flawed and corrupt, way to go cops
"Frank Castle is dead. He died along with his family." The character himself regularly says this, or some variation thereof. It is almost his 'With Great Power...' mantra. In other words, Castle himself often tells everyone he is dead inside, and not someone to be emulated.
The fact that they think if Frank Castle was real, he would be on their side 💀💀💀💀💀
Having a Punisher sticker on your police car won't make me trust you any more than I already don't.
Why do police put that on their cars, also I don't think most people want the emblem of a comic book character on govt property
It's not to build trust. It's a terror tactic.
The police do not want the public's trust. Trust does not earn them obedience without question or oversight.
They want us to fear them.
They are no longer public servants, what was once know as peace officers or police, now they are law enforcement. They hang out in front of corporations like Best Buy or Whole Foods, intimidating to enforce profits. They no longer patrol neighborhoods or enforce traffic codes as their time is now spent suppressing civil rights. There is no reason to not dismantle most police departments as they no longer serve communities but force them to cow down to corporate interests and forcefully accept whatever law, good or more likely destructive, is being dictated by a more and more suppressive government.
BrownWater I didn't know about those symbols until this video. That's scary
Asking 'why so many fascists take their political views from fiction?' Is a dumb question.
Like, they can't take it from reality.
Well there was a prime example for fascism...
Lefl Yeah, one that got owned so hard that they literally don’t exist anymore. Fascists looking to get a hard-on about how awesome their beliefs supposedly are... well, they understandably tend to sidle away from that one. Pity, though if they could take their heads out of the sand and understand where their beliefs inevitably lead, they wouldn’t be fascists would they?
More than one prime example and they all lost, because fascism is a loser's ideology, for losers.
Fiction and even comic books can be a great place to explore and learn about different philosophical points of view. Genearally bad to base your personal views on a revenge motivated, mentally Ill murderer. Punisher has some great "what if" scenarios and is fun escapism. Why the cops treat it like Plato, ile never know
Not to mention they often misinterpret said fiction.
Imagine being a grown adult thinking life is a comic book
I mean media is media....why can books and movies influence people like that when comic books cant?
Not even knowing the limitless possibilities of this medium and judging it by an outsiders perspective makes you seem very childish
Oh, like comparing Trump to a Harry Potter villain?
@@PeterPan54167The funniest is Trump's fatass as Rambo. Dude has never worked out a day in his life and can't shoot a slingshot
Cop: **wears skull emblem**
Other Cop: "Hans... are we the baddies?"
I love the punisher but the use of his symbol by law enforcement makes me feel sick. The public are not just targets to be eliminated.
I think Punisher is a great character as well but I don't at all want to emulate him or anything of the sort. People who do are getting the wrong idea.
It's like when things like the 'OK' symbol or Pepe get coopted by white supremacist or Nazi groups. It just keeps me from disassociating the two and kind of ruins one for me.
It’s just a stupid comic book character. People wear it cause they think it looks cool, it doesn’t actually mean anything. I doubt that the majority of cops know anything about the character.
Pollito Cops shouldn’t be using skull iconography when on duty anyway. Like, if they want to wear a punisher t-shirt when not on the job or whatever that’s one thing, but this idolization is creepy and dangerous
@@pollito6211 after watching this video and all the information presented in it, thats your take?
"its just a stupid comic book character"
"it doesn't mean anything"
The fact that you're saying that means you either didn't watch the video or you're just being intentionally obtuse and disingenuous.
That excerpt from the book about tagging things with the punisher skull is downright horrifying. The way he writes suggests that he doesn't even see his enemies as people, just as video game enemies to gun down endlessly.
Edit: Everyone stop feeding the trolls. Dude's subscribed to the Daily Wire, hes just trying to start shit and you know it
I really don’t know if it’s him being a psychopath or if it’s the military that dehumanized the enemy. My great grandfather was a WWII vet and came back believing that the Japanese weren’t even human. Both of those are equally sickening nonetheless.
@@cracky4415 propaganda is one hell of a drug
@@cracky4415 It makes their job easier to do if they just ignore the shades of grey...
@@cracky4415 this is so scary.
Have you read the book? Have you been to these places? Or are you just talking from a complete position of ignorance?
"Hans, have you ever looked at our helmets? They've got skulls on them.... Hans, are we the baddies?"
-David Mitchell in the greatest comedy sketch about nazis
I only recently realized that the U.S. is the evil empire.
Makes me really sad.
Military is the family business.
@@bsqwahlE It is not, you are falling to the same pit as these idiotic Police officers are: Black and white thinking/lack of nuance. Put more effort in understanding the US.
Police should remember that the punisher fights mobsters, not some random guy selling cigarettes on the street
I don't remember which comic but even the punisher stated that cop's shouldn't use his symbol or his philosophy because they took an outh and how he didn't in connection to how public trust is important. Its like people don't know or care about what the punisher means. Its just an excuse to have a killer power fantasy and still claim to be in the right.
Punisher issue #13, July 2019, I believe! It's a good one!
The Punisher is about just that- Punishment. The police system, however, is about justice and safety. And if maybe, if the cops want to be treated like the Punisher, they could be treated like the domestic theorist like Frank is.
"The police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol." I think that pretty much sums it up.
The frightening thing is that Lee and Ditko trusted *kids* not to idolise The Punisher. They didn’t need to put a disclaimer for children, let alone for adult law enforcement officers.
Oh yeah. Because using Spiderman on a little boys tomb is much more concerning than military force taking a murderer as their inspiration on doing whatever the hell they think is "right" .
Way to go, Disney. When we expect them to be the renowned assholes they absolute are with copyright-
U related but I like your username
Bald people are fuming after reading that name😂
To the Blue Lives Matter people, if you don't want to be seen as villains, maybe you shouldn't be using skulls as your symbols. In addition, don't steal others' content.
Also maybe don't gleefully attack non violent people including the elderly.
blm uses it now... nothing against blm or skulls from me.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez And don't massacre innocent people for being black as well.
@@Herb615 These are all a good baseline to start with.
BLM tried to stop a jet fuel tanker. That could have led to 10 city blocka being erased. BLM and Antifa are terrorists more dangerous than any vigilante cop. This country is over with if you guys can't see the evil in both sides. We're not fucking rooting for sports teams here. We have violent sociopaths on all sides eager to cause chaos in the name of "justice."
It's a cool skull logo, that's all it is to em, a good chunk probably don't even know Punisher is a comic character
*EDIT* When is Disney supposed to sue them into oblivion? They'll go after orphanages but not multiple police stations?
Just when I thought disney couldn't be anymore evil
They somehow come up with this
People in positions of power using the Punisher logo almost make me feel guilty for being a Punisher fan. Like no bro, the Punisher is a product of your organization's failures, largely your failures. Not to mention he behaves that way because he is basically crazy, collected and calculated but crazy.
It says everything about their mindset really, how they see themselves as badass and cool when really they're victimising powerless people. And that quote from the army guys... ooh, cringe
It's because the hero fantasy ends when the villain is much bigger than you. Infectious toxic social systems are way more intimidating and less inviting of targets than randoes on the street, especially if that infectious toxic social system includes you. It's like countries that like to pretend they are defenders of freedom and democracy and shit the bed when the first adversary more powerful than them shows up.
@@rezalustig6773 a lot, and I mean A LOT of them are domestic abusers. All of the stuff about siding with the Punisher's pov to "protect people" is bs. They are just drawn to the violence and power.
Madeleine Swann I think “cringe” is a bit of an understatement, those guys have probably killed people.
@Star Fox We live in a society
I feel like it being used by the military makes sense, it represents: we are going to kill you, so unless you want to take on a losing battle dont come out way.
The problem is the police are using this same symbol with the same meaning.
There's something incredibly cringeworthy about grown men idolizing an edgy comic book character. Like swap out the punisher for a character like spawn or the hulk. Imagine squad cars with stickers of ghost rider or riot gear covered in wolverine patches. Actually the more I think about it the funnier it gets.
I was actually thinking about how these guys are not to far removed from D&D type guys. Only instead of throwing balls of paper and shouting "LIGHTENING BOLT" they have real weapons.
You don't have to grow up when people reward your immaturity with power.
It's ironic because y'all nutted when Endgame came out...
@@__Andrew Are we still supposed to laugh at LARPers and pretend we're cooler than them? Is that still the societal norm?
@@General12th Uh, pump your outrage brakes dude. Did you miss the part where i said they were throwing bullets... like as in super fast and out of guns? If the lightening bolt guy started shooting people i would be just as critical towards him. And if cops started just throwing balls of paper i would not want a total overhaul of their system. Both the lightening bolt guy and "punisher cops" are living a fantasy for fun, but one is actually dangerous. One took it from a fun hobby and interest into an ideology that has changed their lives and negatively impacts others around them.
Im sorry if you cant understand the difference between a pretend lightening bolt and a 9mm weapon with 20 rounds coming at people at a thousand miles an hour.
Let's make all police have to be medically certified and have required therapy since they are all terrified all the time.
Baguette,phone, sandwich, gun.
Those things look same to them.
Whenever I see pictures of cops with the punisher skull I wonder how cops would react if some absolute crazy person went around killing cops who've killed suspects leaving a list of excessive use of force complaints against them and a Punisher skull. I mean, I know lost of people love the Punisher, but if someone was actually going around acting like him, you know a not insubstantial number of cops would be targeted too. I've never been a big fan of the Punisher, but one thing I've always liked about the character is that he's very aware that if he ever reaches the end of his list, his name is the last one on it.
The fact that they embrace a murderous vigilante symbol is very telling.
The punisher logo is just a logo to a cool logo and could be looked at as something like the ace of spades to inspire Vietnam to inspire fear
@@landaclay9331 it's just a cool logo for people who don't understand his motives or don't want to look into it, either way grown ass police officers shouldn't be using it on their shit. also citing the vietnam war for this is one of the worst things you can prolly do lmfao
@@xavier4519 well still being a police officer is like being a solder your still fighting bad guys
@@xavier4519 and speaking of logos blm and other left wing groups use icons associated with communism like the fist
@@landaclay9331 did you even watch the video? it seems the main point went completely over your head
Bearing this logo is directly admitting a willingness to stray from the law and the system. There are those that join the force to keep people safe, and there are those that join the force as a means of chasing their own fantasies. Under the current system, a person can attain the necessary power to apply their own moral rulings, including any racial biases. It's time to change.
If The Punisher had a thesis question, it would be "Is it moral to take the law into your own hands for the benefit of others, even if that means some may die?"
This is NOT a question that should be asked by the people who are supposed to ENFORCE the law.
The Punisher... He's called THE PUNISHER.
If you want a symbol of hope, maybe choose Superman?
Who also is actually a hero
Or captain America
what about stop using capeshit to larp and force these parasites to do their actual job instead
@@Ordoabchao-x9k don’t get your hopes up cuz that’ll never happen
Or green lantern who's actually a cop.
if society is fundamentally unfixable, then what "public" does the punisher think he's protecting? isn't _everyone_ just a criminal deserving of death in that scenario?
@Drawtist 4 Exactly. It's the "prison is punishment, not rehabilitation" ideology taken to an extreme. Frank thinks "If we're actually gknna dedicate our efforts to punishing people, then why are we fucking around with prison?"
Yup. They'll only leave you alone if you unequivocally submit, and only let you off if they think you'll be a bootlicker.
Punisher doesn't protect society. He is not a big picture hero. He sees himself as a force of vengeance.
I don't think anyone except nihilists argue that society is "fundamentally" unfixable
As in the character? He doesn't care, he ay offer up that kind of rationalization, but at the end of the day he's a man who feels a *need* to fight a war because it's all he knows, all he cares about and it's what he's good at, what he's *best* at - he just has an easily written off, morally dubious target for his psycopathy which is criminal wrongdoers but don't get it twisted, he's basically a serial killer. The thing is, I think darker fiction that captures the imagination like The Punisher clearly does is fine, exploration of that level of the dark side of humanity is wonderful - *as long as it's left fictional* , for example No Country for Old Men is a great movie and I'm glad it exists, but do I want cops to emblazon themselves with a coin in an attempt to be more like Anton? Hell no. Darkness, evil, depravity - all should be able to be explored in media, but that's because media should be an alternative to real world darkness and I think for most people who consume dark media it is, in either way, which is good because it helps or should help cut down on the real life cases of these things happening and statistically, it's true, it does. But I worry that, if The Punisher who is someone who is clearly not meant to be emulated is being so then... they're clearly not understanding what Frank does is wrong and how fucked up he is. Or maybe they are and they don't care. I don't honestly know which is worse.
Same kind of thing happened with Rambo as well. First Blood he is a tortured vet who gets harassed for no reason by COPS and fights them. Only one guy actually dies too. But then the Reagan years turn him into that stereotypical action hero in the sequels.
imagine being 34 and gently scraping a blue lives punisher skull to the rear windshield of your burgundy suv and thinkin “yea, my life is going great”
Anyone remember that one skit where two Nazis are talking about the skulls on their hats and asking themselves if they’re the bad guys? This feels too similar to that.
“Hey how should we try to win over the masses of people who sternly believe we’re a violent and oppressive force? How do we convince them that’s not us?”
“Oh hey I got it, lets slap a motherfucking skull on all of our shit, that’ll show them we’re on their side!”
@@amoeba_snot hahaha.... 😐
3:51 So essentially they adopted the skull symbol and made themselves into a modern version of the SS.
I was thinking that, the armed uniformed men with skulls on their uniforms violently suppressing dissent, funded and supported by the government and the head of state.
Yup
@@maltemeyer3171 i think trained, albeit rudimentary, to kill is the only thing consistently required they be taught, to the point that there are groups who will do it for free.
And at least in one case they did select who, they had minimum and more dangerously a maximum measured intelligence required, but I doubt there is any consistent policy in place across the country.
Thats not even remotely similar. Comparing and Officer in America to a SS memeber in nazi germany is not only ignorant but disingenous to those that suffered under the dictatorship.
@Cvlt_moon I know full well.
idk, looks like the Punisher symbol has become a gang sign. Even when just the Sniper unit used it
The sad thing is that no one's gonna call it what it is because
A. It's used by the military and the cops.
and
B. Because the people using it are (predominantly) white.
Yeah, like he was saying the military tagged up buildings with it, it's so explicit
@@evelynphipps610 He also committed a warcrime by targeting civilians with psychological warfare. The punisher symbol is literally a symbol of warcrimes, and is now used by the police. It really shows that you don't need a nuclear winter for a post-apocalyptic, nightmarish dystopia to exist.
Google LASD Gangs? haha
Avalon One
haha hurr durr obviously connected to race
My favorite part of the irony around cops using the punisher logo is that what sent Frank on his anti-crime rampage wasn't just his family being killed by the Mafia, but the NYPD being so in bed with the Mafia they didn't prosecute them for the murders
The problem is who are the "bad guys" to a white supremacist cop who embraces the punisher as a hero?
What people seem to forget, the character of The Punisher is basically an unhinged serial killer with severe mental issues. He is NOT a character to be idolized. In his mind, there's no crime severity. If you were guilty, he killed you. Robbed a bank? You were dead. Jaywalk? He would gun you down. This is the character that these people idolize. And it's really sad.
He is also self-aware enough to discourage people emulating him.
By gunning them down.
He's Dexter but with the genre set to action shooter instead of mystery thriller
The Punisher is nothing like that, he's basically Rambo. Wolverine does the same things so does Captain America and they aren't seen in the same negative light.
MIDNIGHT EYE but neither Cap nor Wolverine had an internal monologue about how killing criminals brings them such joy and bliss. The Punisher really is a mentally unfit man that acts as a vigilante.
He directed his pain from lost of his family to get back at everyone he deemed bad. He wouldn’t kill ANY criminal and definitely no innocences. He coped with his unbearable anguish by systematically taking “evils” off the board. He is definitely psychologically wanting in many aspects but he has a strong personal code that he never breaks. He is almost like John Wick with his will to persevere no matter what. He has taken the burden of justice on himself. He sees the inept and corrupt “law”
and because the judge, jury and executioner. I believe in some sense, he has a much higher sense of moral than many of us. Why was he popular? Because people are tired of seeing bad guys win. A new Punisher should be starting with corruption in our bureaucracy that has destroyed this country like cancer.
"I want to symbolize myself, protector of the community, with the symbol of wanton violence and horrific disregard for rules or human life. Surely, this will make me endeared to the community who already mistrusts me"
- Cops, apparently
It's not about establishing trust, it's about killing thugs
@Lex Bright Raven so your saying thugs are good people ment to be protected
@@landaclay9331 more like the cops shouldn't be the violent arm of the state. Just because someone broke the law doesn't mean they should abuse their power in a sick display of punishment. That's literally why people have issue with cops using the punisher logo. They're only meant to protect and serve not dish out a violent fantasy on whoever it is they have in their custody
@@brianmolina2615 the police are meant to protect serve that's why they have guns to dish out justice and lock up the bad guys
@@landaclay9331 yes because the world is only compromised of good people or bad people, nothing more deeply complex than that. Everything is black and white apparently.
Apparently cops dont understand that the punisher doesnt kill innocents
Cops wearing skull symbols is like something out of a distopian movie where the world is ruled by fascists.
There is something viscerally terrifying about the way Chris Kyle described the almost masturbatory glee he felt in hunting down and killing "the bad guys." Call me naive, but I didn't think real people could actually FEEL that way so wholly and uncritically. Yeesh. Great vid, dude.
War can have a heavy effect on you
Well he loved killing so much, he lied about killing people in New Orleans. I'm not happy he was murdered but I hardly have any respect for the man.
What shocks me isn't that a person like Kyle exists. It's that he, his book, and his movie were so widely embraced.
You must not know a whole lot about history and psychology then. Socializing people to view others as inferior and not even human, and then coupling that with a belief that they are pure evil and a threat to one's own group, can allow someone to feel like a hero as they carry out atrocities. They feel they are making the world a better place with eliminating each one of those people and feel pride and joy for the great achievements they have engaged in for their own group's survival against the evil forces seeking to enslave and/or destroy them. Those fears are usually just paranoia and brainwashing with conspiracy theories but as long as they believe them to be true then they will hold this mentality.
@@hoathanatos6179 Or they just have hope in the empathy of humans. Which is wonderful.
Sadly, humanity is very aggressive and sadistic at time. ACAB
I'm reminded again of Innuendo Studios' "I Hate Mondays" episode of "The Alt-Right Playbook." The Punisher's practically the logical conclusion the conservative mindset that punishing wrongdoing is what laws and the justice system are for leads to. You're right that Frank Castle's quest is fundamentally unachievable, as in the mindset of the conservatives he appeals to, crime is an inevitability, something that can't be changed any more than the weather can. All that can be done is to punish those who break those laws to signify to the rest of society that they are wrong actions. Much as I dislike Garth Ennis' LOLEDGEDARK writing, he at least understands The Punisher's fundamentals.
If you say conservatives "think" I believe that that's is simply putting conservatives in a black vs white group let's not do that instead let beat the alt right with better ideas and at least try to get rid of the alt right first after that let's work on changing the minds of conservatives.
@@Emma-Queenofhell i'm sorry but the two are inextricably linked together and you cannot get rid of the alt-right without changing conservatives because the alt-right ideas are essencially conservatives idea taken up to 11 and conservative politicians pander to the alt-right to get vote
@@smile-tl9in I grew up in a small town conservative I know a few conservatives black, white, red, or brown. Didn't matter I am willing to admit that the Trumpocrats have high Jacked the Republican party call me idealistic or naive. I think we can essentially get rid of em. Bush is voting biden. As are a few other conservatives.
I would recommend reading Judge Dredd as it sees this conservative mindset and satires it
That was a great video
Punisher actually saw some cops using his logo and threaten to kill them if they did it again
They go for that symbol because it's a power fantasy. They want to met out their version of justice without pesky things like civil rights and due process getting in the way. A lot of them joined up with the police and/or military for the power trip in the first place. Many of them were either bullied in school and are looking to become the bully or were bullies in school and want to keep doing it
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@@operator2855 Basically, ya can't attack the statement, so you're appealing to the superficial to be dismissive. Got it.
@@redhood8917 That's honestly hilarious coming from a dude with a comic book profile pic.
@@InfernosReaper we both know you are a virgin just calm down buddy.
The Punisher appeals to an individualistic mindset wherein police departments are fine, the military is fine, and society is fine. Bad things are done by bad people; eliminate bad individuals, and whatever's left is necessarily good.
This is why conservatives resist addressing things like systemic racism or widespread sexual assault; because they view these as individual crimes done by individual people, none of which are connected. If all problems are solved by murdering the guilty, what happens when racism exists in society itself? It makes us all guilty. It's this extreme binary that makes the Punisher mindset almost impossible to reason with. It's never allowed to be more complicated than "Find bad, get rid of it."
> The Punisher appeals to an individualistic mindset wherein police departments are fine, the military are fine, and the society are fine.
That seems more of a collectivistic conservative mindset than individualistic. How is it individualistic about the violence from the authority?
So you want to nuke society? Gee, I wonder why conservatives are against this?
Are you collectively guilty of sexually assaulting someone?
@@lincolnduke I was describing a mindset (which you clearly share) that there is no such thing as a societal problem, only individuals who are bad for society. This is incorrect. I suspect you're being facetious and don't want to talk about the issue, but while you're here:
Widespread sexual assault of women partly takes place because society gives men tacit permission to behave like animals; we say things like, "The average man thinks about sex every 6 seconds" or "men only want one thing" or "when my little girl gets in high school, I'm chopping off peepees!" These are jokes we tell in many forms, and they all have the same message: "Men and boys cannot control their sexual urges." This means it isn't a teenage boy's fault when his girlfriend gets pregnant; it's her fault. When a man makes unwanted advances in a bar, it's the woman's duty to "just leave" rather than the man's duty to stop acting like a dog. It doesn't mean that we are all collectively guilty of every rape ever committed, but it does mean that - by treating men as if they have no control over their own desires - we have created an environment where women are thought of as more responsible for sex than men.
@@exquisitecorpse4917 You are 100% correct. I do share this mindset.
In no way, does society permit men to rape or sexually assault people and then say "well it's a womans fault" or "he couldnt help it". 95% of the prison population is male.
You have lived such a sheltered life that you actually believe bad people do bad things because they dont know better.
If only Jeffrey Dalmer had been taught not to eat people....
" we say things like, "The average man thinks about sex every 6 seconds" or "men only want one thing" or "when my little girl gets in high school, I'm chopping off peepees!" These are jokes we tell in many forms, and they all have the same message: "Men and boys cannot control their sexual urges.""
I have no idea how you made the leap from one to the other.
KingLittle you should get some self awareness
People: *Rightfully protesting police violence*
Police: "Hey did they say we should be *more* violent?"
Deathtrooper40 Not rare. Disproportionate. Very common in headlines, and has been happening for decades. Ive seen you all over this comment section, are you like 12? Or are you just uneducated to statistics? Get out of your (im guessing) predominantly white circle.
@@FreshAsianSwagg calm the fuck down lol
Talpă TV He's just responding to a bogus claim? Doesn't seem overzealous to me.
Also people 3 fucking minutes later: Hey, let's steal from black business owners!
Often times it’s not rightful protests as they don’t even know the facts about 99% of the cases and why they happened.
I loved in Civil War when Frank showed up to the anti-reg base, revealed he's a big Captain America fanboy, but then Cap is like "no. I know what you're about. Fuck off."
"Chris ..... are we the baddies ?"
No Noa, you are the baddie. Not me
I don't believe punishment is something the police should ever be involved in, protection, not punishment
It's also not the job of the police to protect. They're job is to simply enforce the law
@DiscoNight Even the black ones, or the ones with families?
@@Samm815 Please, we dont question our edginess here.
@@ThisisKyle their slogan is a lie, then?
The issue with police adopting the Punisher skull is its a symbol of a failed justice system that is so broken a vigilante finds it easier to use his own skills to meet his type of justice rather than trusting the system to handle the issue. It's such an oxymoron for police to wear it.
"Hans... are we the baddies?"
"No, Franz. They are the baddies - we are the baddiers"
Whenever I worked at mcdonald's, I would always get treated like garbage by people who had one of these stickers
I by default just figured it was some secret racist shit
unfortunately it probably is some racist shit. it’s just not a secret everyone’s aware
"Captain, have you taken a look at our uniforms?"
"No. ...A bit."
"They've got skulls on them. Why do our badges and uniforms have pictures of skulls on them."
"I don't know."
"Captain... are we the baddies?"
You're not one for physical activites are you?
These guys forget the Punisher isnt traking down "bad guys", he's traking down the people that killed his familly in the only way he was trained to. In one of his tours in was in a special unit where he literally witnessed the torture and murder of civilians, so his entire charcter after is just a reflection of how horrible and corrupt the justice system has become. Coudnt be more antithetical to what the police is suposed to do.
Best Netflix series of them all btw (better than Daredevill imo)
You just said he witnessed as if he wanted it or participated also if he spoke out he wouldve been silenced.To kill bad guys is literally his job I guess if the bad guys are his families killers then im pretty sure they fit the definition of bad guy
Rewatching this in July '22 after Uvalde shooting video was released. Terrifyingly applicable.
Ah Yeah here in Germany we also had cops with skulls on their uniforms a while ago. Didn’t go so well.
The town I live in is very conservative and that shows in the general view to the protests. The local newspaper ran a story about potentially defunding the police, and they said that if that happened there would be "anarchy" and that society would be so much more unsafe. I am so worried that the people here will refuse to change and instead there will just be so much more anti-black sentiment than there already is.
Camden New Jersey called, it didn't suddenly turn into Mad Max when they made massive changes.
Same at mine, and it’s even led my dad to blame all the protests on George Soros and explaining the JQ at my graduation party.
@@skippykay599 You should explain the communist manifesto to him at his retirement party.
Tyler Bioshock Rodriguez crime has gone up significantly in New York so has the murder rate soo 😬
Of course, this Punisher crap had to start in Milwaukee. Wisconsin needs to get it together.
I really like what they're doing in Minneapolis. I hope they do well.
As someone from Minneapolis, absolutely. Honestly, if there’s any state I would trust to be the first to carry out the complete dismantling and restructuring of the police that is in the works, it would be Minnesota, and I have high hopes.
Milwaukee had voted for a socialist mayor in the past, and you wonder how or why right wing groups rise, we lay at your crossfire.
@@DeePBurnouT
What??
That doesn't make sense.
@@luanabrans i think he's trying to justify right-wing violence by way of the elected left-wing local leader.
@@rakninja Not very well, in my opinion. 🤷
The Punisher's skull is memento mori or "remember death". A bit ironic if I may say, the skull was there not only to remind the criminals that death is inevitable, it was also to remind Frank that his life-style would eventually lead to his death. He knew that well, he was a man who had nothing to live for except death -- hence "no one escapes death." Very ironic indeed when you see the skull worn by the police. :)
Law Enforcement: We don't like civilians taking the law into their own hands and becoming vigilantes.
Also Law Enforcement:Wears a symbol who is a vigilante.
This reminds me of people who say "Childhood is when you idolize Batman. Adulthood is when you realize the Joker makes more sense". The Joker isn't a role model, he's a monster.
That depends, if you are talking of the comics of course, if you are speaking of the Nolan Batman, he and Bane does more justice for Gotham than Batman ever did, because he only focus on the mobster, but never exposed or captured a corporate criminals, only a foreign one, typical, not even Earle from his own company that was doing shady dealings, he come out without any consequences whatsoever. Hell, even in Arkham Origins and Batman The Animated Series there was corporate and industrialist criminals.
@@TheKeyser94 No Joker nor Bane had any "point" in the Nolan movies. Joker was a mass serial killer who was willing to blow up boats of people just to prove some morality statement and Bane was an actual terrorist whose plan was to nuke Gotham. What of that is "justice" if I were to ask?
Not to mention both were proven to be wrong. Joker when the boasts don't blow each other up despite his ultimatium and Bane when those of Gotham rose up with Batman even after he "broke" their spirit.
The dangerous part of The Punisher is, ultimately, he's cool. And it's easy to ignore someone being wrong or broken or evil or misguided when they are cool. All this talk about how 'admirable' he is for being strong and protecting the weak is just flowery way of saying 'he's cool and I want to be like him'. I think when people are honest many of us want to be that cool hero that protects the weak and defeats the bad guy. But it's just a fantasy. You can't be a 'cowboy' and save the day. Saving the day starts well before the day is in danger. It's not cool to be a social worker, but they save the day far more than any cop or vigilante.
Literally the same problem that Fight Club has
@@brechtian802 Yeah, I thought about that years ago about my tenth viewing in. (What? I'm a fanboy. It's a good movie.)
Like, if it wasn't *BRAD PITT* saying these things and looking like a chiseled Greek God, then pretty much everything he's saying is the stuff of dangerous, psychotic anarchists(in the TRULY bad sense, not in the way that modern anarchists view themselves).
And if it wasn't Brad Pitt being awesome, the message falls flat on it's face, too.
And to be *FRANK* , the movie itself touches on this idea.
"I look like you wanna look, I fuck like you wanna fuck, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not."
Nice comment. But I wouldn’t agree. I don’t think it’s a flowery way of saying something else. I have captain America’s shield as my profile pic. I do because the value set that the character has deeply resonates with me and are traits I wish to reflect in my own day to day life. The admirability of the punisher in righting wrongs despite the amount of suffering and personal sacrifice it has require resonate with people not just in law enforcement and the military. It’s okay to adopt these messages the writers convey in any occupational setting. We can each internet the character differently and that’s what’s great about it.
@@antonjackson9934 Yeah, but the whole point of the Punisher is that he *kills crooked cops* and sleazy criminals that the law can't touch.
That's what a *murderous vigilante* does.
So, it's been profoundly ironic that the very symbol of anarchy and violent resistance to an unethical system when the system fails us...
Is now being unironically used by the very people who are violently supporting the system.
@@antonjackson9934 Frank is a sad and broken man, desperately clinging to what little he knows- violence- as a means of dealing with the loss of everything he cares about. He is a vigilante because he's got nothing to lose and can't find any other way to have purpose in his life. He is a tragedy. There's no more sense in wanting to emulate him than there is in wanting to emulate Romeo and Juliet.
Rogers, however, is not a broken man. Depending on version, of course; but he doesn't just fight evil or wrong doers, he fights with the aim of a better world. His weapon is a shield, and while he uses it offensively it is rather emblematic of his general goals. He isn't out there viewing criminals as a cancer to be removed but as a sign that there is something bigger that is wrong.
Coming back to this at this point I'm not sure I agree entirely with how I said this, but I still would say there isn't anything to admire in the Punisher. I say this as a person who likes the character quite a bit.
Punisher is basically Batman if Batman killed one person and spiralled out of control, like he said he would if he "crossed that line," except a lot more street level.
quick tip if anyone boils down war to good guys and bad guys they shouldn't be trusted
*Put skulls on their uniforms*
_"Why do people not like us?"_
Marvel **suing for copyright infringement**
Oh thatd be hilarious
MadHatt3r
José mentions that Marvel literally does that near the end of the video lol. & it is pretty funny, I agree.
@Tally Ho uh did you watch civil war? That whole movie was about government overreach trying to arrest super heroes with a "join or die" mentality
The Punisher was a villain, even when Castle got popularity you can notice the super heroes think he’s crazy. You’re weren’t supposed to identify with with him
Does anyone remember that old skit of the “if we’re wearing skulls on our uniforms…does that make us the bad guys?” I’m just sayin, maybe if you want to be respected and seen as good people don’t wear skulls?