Gundam Seed Destiny: A Great Show When It Follows The Actual Cast (First Half)
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- The first half of Seed Destiny is actually enjoyable when it follows the main cast, the crew of the Minerva. However, it becomes rather awful when the focus shifts to Kira, and the crew of the Archangel.
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The episode with the ZAFT forces fighting to try and stop the drop of Junius 7 is legit one of my favorite episodes in all of Gundam. It freaking kills me to think that it and Meer Campbell are in the same series
Agreed. ZAFT really tried to fix it, too bad that Rouge Battalion of Zala Worshipers and Earth Forces decided to fuck up everything.
Gundam Seed Destiny : Part 2 Rise of Jesus Kun and the Fall of Logic
Added: where the most boring Gundam become untouchable for no reason
@@hybridAbsol Gundam Seed Destiny is a super robot show because the Strike Freedom is so untouchable
@@sawjhtheian6651 Freedom is just all show no go in reality , i punted that thing several times by using Abyss Gundam in HARD mode
Let Jesus take the plot
Saw JH the Ian that can be said about almost all protagonist pilots. Setsuna, I’m looking at you and Quant(0) and Banegher and Unicorn!
Lemme put it this way, Boo:
Episode 28 is the drop off point point where everything starts to go downhill. And Episode 39 is officially the Point of No Return for the entire series. Let that give you a general idea of when to expect the nosedive to begin.
Have some french fries ready, because there will be SALT. 😉
HEY, WACKY! 😄
Holy crap, Wacky! You're still alive!
WackyModder84 That is an UNDERSTATEMENT once it hits episode 39. BOOFIRE191, that is the episode where we meet the abomination that is the Strike Freedom.
Good to see you man
You still awake! Are you coming back anytime soon?
Apparently, the Kira fans demanded the production cast to bring Kira back as the MC instead of Shinn and things quickly go downhill from there.
Nope, it was the writer and his wife that did the deed, not the fans. The shit that goes down behind the scenes is mind-boggling horrible. We're talking that the Japanese VA of Gundam SEED outright stating that she will NEVER go back to SEED ever again. Almost all of Kagalli's character derails in DESTINY? That was because the writer was vindictive when the VA for Kagalli had the 'audacity' to complain! The writer was insanely pissed when the Alpha (or was it Z... there are far too many versions to keep track of) series of Super Robot Wars did what the writer did but BETTER! From what I've heard, that writer tried to take a wack at Super Robot Wars because of it!
Gundam SEED and SEED: DESTINY shared the same writer and said writer was BAD from a writer's standpoint. That ass would always get the script into the studio at the last minute, making sure that said writer was the ONLY writer, loved going onto the soapbox, liked doing Mary Sue/Gary Stu BS, that sort of thing.
It was outright stated that Kira and Lacus were all-but-SIs-of-the-writer-and-the-significant-other-in-name.
It doesn't help that said significant other had a MASSIVE influence on where the story went as well...
I heard there was drama going on behind the scenes. Morisawa thought they Fukuda was cheating on him with Cagalli's Seiyu, and when Shinn's Seiyu got in the middle of it to defend Cagalli's Seiyu, Shinn got bad treatment in the series as well.
@@TheTrueAdept it was Z
@@BOOFIRE191 It's kind of true that SEED was partially written by fans' suggestions, and the staff would think about how to incorporate the suggestions into the plot.
@@BOOFIRE191 I only heard this second hand from Gundam fans sadly enough, everyone who liked Gundam (even the Gundam SEED lovers) called SEED 'pissed opportunity' and 'wasted potential'. Then again, my primary forums were the Spacebattles 'family' of forums (i.e. Spacebattles, Sufficient Velocity, Questionable Questing, among a few others).
Wow, someone who appreciates Shinn and crew as good characters. Fucking. Thank. You.
But Lunamaria was a better pilot than him
Anyone is better than Kira.
Shinn, Luna, Cagalli, you name it
@@Red.Decimo Mayura , Asagi , Juri , Stella , Auel , and Yzak
@@Red.Decimo Oh absolutely. Kira is possibly the worst character in all of Gundam.
Also Luna got done so dirty in Destiny -_-
@@Decay0 at least she made a name for herself in the Impulse Gundam
I am one of those that ended up really liking Shinn, even after things went off the deep end. I guess I am just able to syphasize with him thanks to having played Spec Ops The Line and its main character Captain Walker.
I like the *IDEA* of Shinn more than the character himself. He's a good set up for the main hero and the plot provides a lot of opportunities for him to grow into the role, similar to Kamile from Zeta Gundam or Loran from Turn-A. The problem is the writers shove all that aside so they can bring back Kira and Lacus despite their is nothing for them to do but repeat everything they said in SEED.
I will always say this: If the second half of Destiny wouldn't have happened the way it did Shinn would propably be one of my all time favorite Gundam pilots. There were just so many great possibilitys for his story, but none of them ever came to be thanks in most part to the insane behind-the-scenes shenanigans that in the end killed seed-Destiny as a whole
Shinn's a bit of a blood knight throughout the series. It's understandable since he's still got A LOT of anger with him over his family and tearing through enemies is his way of dealing with it but it's also that anger that makes him unfairly lash out at others like Cagali. It also doesn't help that he allows Rey to influence his decisions rather than making them on his own.
Ignoring my love-hate relationship with Seed Destiny for a moment, Durandal's plan to take advantage of Lacus's identity makes complete sense in my mind. She's a famous pop idol whose words brought moments of peace during the previous war. She's the daughter of Siegel Clyne, the previous chairman of the PLANTs and Supreme Council, and thus herself is highly influential with many connections. Most importantly, she's the war maiden who lead the terminal faction to victory during the previous war and without the influence her image had, their faction would never have been able to collect such influential people like Andrew Waldfeld and Reverend Malchio under a single banner even if their philosophical beliefs overlapped. Not to mention she was also engaged to war hero Athrun Zala, who in the previous war defected from his own faction to fight on the front lines for what he thought was right. Everything else to do with Meer was an absolute shitshow for sure but the choice to take advantage of Lacus's image I think made sense.
And this is just the first half and I personally do like Shinn.
The second half ... Anyone mention seeing any Star Wars parallels, as in deliberate similarities?
Zeta had a literal death star soooo.
@@JeanLucCaptain superweapons are kind of a given; even in Gundam something is going to resemble the big superlaser on a small moon sized platform at some point.
But when you have a room that almost looks like an exact replica to the Emperor's throne from RotJ, while Durandal is almost on par to Palpatine from the Prequels (minus the over the top acting); that's a little too on the nose.
@@strategicperson95 i thought the Emperor's throne room was rather funny and tongue in cheek.
Yeap and that's because the director is a fan of Star Wars
@@codepizza5077 BUT... What about the sheild generator?!
Finally, someone who really appreciates Mobile Suit design doctrines. I'm kind of a mobile suit nerd myself and I really enjoy looking into things like development history, design doctrines and various other things. With UC there has always been a unified aesthetic within mobile suit design and, whatever era it might be, you can look at it and see where it came from, for example the GM, the Jesta and the Heavygun, despite being from different time periods they are still unified under one aesthetic, that first started with the GM and RX-78, it's a lineage that is kept through the aesthetic.
On another hand I feel sorry for you. Not that you like Destiny so far, because I sure as hell liked it, but because that enjoyment will make the disappointment much harder hitting. If only Jesus Yamato stayed dead.
00: are we a joke to you.
@@barrybend7189 UC was just an example. 00 does the MS lineage thing in a good way too.
Nah, if only Kira just stop being a hypocrite pacifist and start being a warrior. Like a true Gundam pilot.
@@barrybend7189 I'm not sure what this joke is referring to
@@lordalpharius5928 he will rack of them kill count if he keep piloting Strike Gundam,he is very skilled on close quarters combat and medium range combat
“approaching train wreck” oh my dear boofire you have no idea.
I feel frustrated that the staff gave Shinn a bad ending, but he’s my favorite gundam character.
First 22 episodes excluding 13-14, are PEAK GSD.
Solid Military anime when its Minerva Squad focused, been saying this.
Thank you for seeing it too m8✅✅✅
Shinn is my Favorite Gundam character, and people often ignore his inner turmoils when looking at his character. Glad you see him like I do.
Because its victim-blaming mentality at its finest. Because people like to think that if they are put in Shinn's shoes they won't be that edgy. But we forgot that this is a teen with trauma fighting a war and trying his hardest not to let tragedies like him happen again.
Saw JH the Ian with that logic, doesnt that apply for every single one of them?
Shinn, like everyone in these series, suffer from terrible writing.
The focus on Kira is too much so everything gets thrown out the window whenever he and his team gets on-screen.
Shinn was ruined due to that much like everyone else. Saying that he is a good character because "trauma" and "noble goals" is very superficial.
Anyone that buys that as "deep characterization" is as gullible as those people who just take things face value.
Shinn is a crybaby. Personal experiences like trauma does not matter. He is unstable and his unstableness worked against who he stands for. Meaning his personality does not reflect his values.
Basically, remember when Kira reveals himself to be alive and says do not fight then proceeds to cut everyone down and cause somebody to escape to commit genocide? Yeah, that is Shinn ALL the time.
His words, values and everything he stands for is completely spun around by his actions. A crybaby.
"I dont want to fight you Athrun!" Then goes for the kill while Lunamaria's sister is on board as well.
For example, in SD, when the Destiny plan was revealed, he went along with it.
Another is when Athrun ran away, Shinn was more focused on killing him because Rey says so.
Since were talking about Rey, he is also another superficial character. He has no will of his own.
Both Rey and Shinn suck as characters.
wanderingbufoon shinns a great Character. End of argument
@@stretchdandy
"blah blah is a great character"
sure.... a badly written story with badly written characters that never seem to expand o their archetypes and tropes somehow have great characters.
"Hi! I'm Shinn and I am traumatize for losing my family and friends due to war so I'm going to be a hero to stop that from happening. Lemme demonstrate by committing genocide on my home place"
GREEEAAAATTTT CHARACTER.
wanderingbufoon he sure is the best. Shinn is great
Have fun when you reach that trainwreck.
Traces of Kira being "always right" have been showing since he got the Freedom in SEED and it pissed me off that he was confused, depressed, and unsure of his motivations before his "death" on his battle with Athrun but right after, he spends quite some time to think in Lacus's place, is given the Freedom, he goes "I know the answer this war needs" which are things that are easier said than done. Then, he washed himself off any affiliation with both sides while he borrowed the Archangel and the crew to house his mobile suit. Sure, Archangel and her crew deserted but did Jesus see it coming that they would join him?
Rumor has it (and i cannot stress the word Rumor enough) the creator Chiaki Morosawa Hated both Cagalli and Shinn's voice actors and that's why things changed.
In the end both VA never go to the Seed Destiny again and it was mess up until now.
I've always preferred the Astray manga. From the cat stroking villain to the hero not killing anyone on the battlefield or even the random super weapons that pop up all over the place, the Cosmic Era just has an inherent goofiness to it that the anime choose's to try and play completely straight while Astray seems to just run with it and ends up being a lot more fun.
The easiest example I can give is in the Promotional short for Astray R, Lowes cuts up an enemy MS and leaves the pilot alive and sat in the cockpit which is ridiculous but it fits with the overall tone, in contrast you see in this video Kira shooting all the weapons and limbs off the amphibious MS and it's being taken completely seriously despite the absurdity of it.
As someone I know put it. " Why would you want to watch a badly written Kamille?"
Jesus that's scary. I hated Kamille as a whole until he became a vegetable. But some one even worse? I can't imagine.
That is Shinn in a nutshell, unfortunately...
@@Drums_of_Liberation Ohg gg gghge GG h gg h the y get gg h gg
It’s actually nice to see someone point out some of the good in Destiny. Sadly it doesn’t end well. Btw if you hate Kira, you’re going to love it when Shinn goes apeshit on him. Also I notice your gameplay of Cross rays in background and can’t help to notice you have the flagship from 00. Good choice and I find it hilarious that you made Marina Ishmail into a Captain.
BOOFIRE191 really? Good to Know that. I put that into good use once I start playing Cross Rays...............when I get a gaming laptop with the right graphics card.😑 Anyways, good luck getting through the second half of Destiny. Because it would make you rip your face off.
@@therebelliousaxel8535 that proves to me that people behind Gundam loves Lacus so much they made a version of her but with less screen time, still become a heroine, and now given a good skill for the game. I like Lacus (SEED), but this is a bit too much
Fun fact: I purchased Cross rays as a Christmas present and was obviously super excited to play after the massive download was complete. I played a couple of missions and just leveled up my suits to develop into my favourite non main character gundam. All I had to do was complete the mission and.....
my computers motherboard completely crapped itself and the laptop is no longer useable until it presumably gets repaired. No warnings, no sound, nothing
gundamseed64 well at least you had a laptop that works. Mine is just a Dell laptop from 2011 soooooo yeah. Saving up money to going to be a bitch.
shraffe naqiuddin I actually prefer Meer over Lacus for a couple of things. One; is isn’t preaching. Two; She has a personality. Three; and the reason why Meer is better because she is actually helping the troops with moral support with her concerts while they are fighting against Space ISIS. While Lacus is doing NOTHING!!
I was dumbfounded by the Zaft leader's sudden shift into full blown super villain after the Feds got their comeuppance. They forced his character to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Sisqueide is indeed bae
But Gundam TR-6 Woundwort is best waifu dont @ me
EMS-TC02 Phantom. Angry flaming monoeye.
"Gundam Zaku" from "Daily Lives of Highschool Boys": *angrier monoeye*
Agree such a cute yet badass mobile suit I love my p Bandai kit of it.
Woundwort was cute till I see the long thin dongle on its crotch.
@@alfianfahmi5430 haha true that's a poor design choice but it does work when it transforms into mobile armor mode.
Gundam seed: the only Timeline where the side stories are better than the main one
If I may add something about Kira's kidnapping of Cagalli. From what I always gathered, the Orb Emirs especially the family of whom they wanted to Cagalli to marry their son Yuuna, intended to USE her and limit her power while using her Princess of orb reputation and her goodwill for their own. In a way, Cagalli unless she grew a spine the size of a colony with how she was handled in Seed Destiny, was doomed to be a puppet. Kira's kidnapping of her may have not helped things out, but ultimately I think the intentions were actually for the best. The later execution of actions post-rescue/kidnapping just didn't pan out.
Now alternatively, Kira could have thrown his weight to make the Emirs back off and let Cagalli ya'know LEAD as a proper leader. Not in an outright 'do as we say or else' fashion but enough force to remind them, that Cagalli's brother will not tolerate them trying to manipulate her or drag their homeland into another war nobody on Orb wants a part of. Plus while revealing the Freedom and Archangel were on Orb would always put targets on their backs; knowing a legendary veteran ship and Gundam was protecting Orb would give both the Federation and ZAFT pause to try and force Orb to yet again pick sides against their will. Plus the more power-hungry Emirs would have pause to think of their actions carefully since it would be obvious they couldn't just steamroll Cagalli without racing the wrath of very, VERY capable war vets.
Thank you, you've help me remember the good points of destiny
Why Tekkadan and Celestial Being worked but not Terminal (Archangel Crew)?
(Massive spoilers for IBO, 00 and Destiny)
All three factions are terrorists and questionable in their faction's legality.
The problem with Terminal is no one (aside maybe from Cagali) has enough self-reflection to realise what they did is utterly insane, especially the part where they (spoilers) indirectly allowed Jibril to escape into space so he can murder more Coordinators. They have more war crimes but it will take a whole dissertation to describe and explain why those are war crimes. And in the end when they overthrew Durandal, it is made like they are heroes? What...no...
Celestial Being worked because at the end of season 1 during the UN operation to destroy them, Sumeragi and her crew acknowledges what they did is a form of terrorism and they have to die for the world to unite.
As for Tekkadan, Orga has doubts in where he is leading the party.
I like this. I like it when my characters are self aware enough to have doubts when bad things happen because it makes them human.
In Celestial Being's case, this self awareness sort of lead the Ptolemy crew to grow as characters.
As for Tekkadan, they die. They paid the price for change.
Things should have consequences, you don't go barging into a warzone and shooting up both sides and think that you are heroes. You are not, you are a terrorist.
This is why the Cosmic Era timeline, with its interesting concepts trying to tackle racism and outgroup homogenity, fails.
I'd argue Tekkadan are not terrorists.
That's certainly what Gjallarhorn would label them as but Season 1 Tekkadan were heroes trapped in a government conspiracy plot. The people they killed were trying to kill them.
Season 2 they participated in a coup an attempt to outright overthrow a corrupt system that had negatively affected their lives. they paid the price for failing sure but Gjallarhorn was undoubtedly in the wrong the whole time.
i'll give you that Cestial being are terrorists and Terminal is just to up it's own ass to see they aren't helping but Tekkadan did nothing wrong.
Augus and his crew were pretty much screwed after 10 chapters
@@genisisbeing Im not saying what Tekkadan did is wrong. But their actions can be viewed as terrorism by the normal populace. To make myself clear, my stance in the Heinz's dilemma is you are allowed to take the moral but illegal action BUT you have to face the consequences. Not a law student here but, if we start to make exceptions in the legal code based on the justification of the perp, there will be chaos, the law, even if its corrupt is there to make sure society doesn't fall apart. This is why I like how IBO ended because they paid the price, its a bittersweet sacrifice. As for Gjallarhorn, unpopular opinion, I do think what Rustal did is justified (but I see the other members of the Seven Stars as bumbling corrupt morons). Rustal is dealing with a group of 'terrorists' that are unstoppable. Does Rustal have his own agenda? Yes, but the outcome is a happy one since he worked with Kudelia to bring democracy in.
As for Terminal, they are exactly like the terrorists we see in real life history. They think that their actions are correct all the time and everyone else is evil. It might be bad writing, but Lacus' justification for war against Durandal is so flimsy that it makes real life terrorist's propaganda seem well reasoned.
So whats my point? If you wanna write a group that fights against social norms, use IBO and 00 as examples but DO NOT ever use Seed or Destiny.
Tekkedan are slave soldiers turned PMCs. Not terrorists.
@@genisisbeing they're also child slave soldiers. Human debris...
@5:56 "Right?"
*insert Palpatine laugh here*
Always love your insight sir
The Ginn is ugly...?
Now that is full blown heresy, Commissar 🤨
I found them beautiful alongside cgue, bucue and dinn and other uc derived zeon mobile suits. That mono eye head just looks more appealing after watching too much v finned protagonist machines
GINN MAKES A MAN MEAN!
Ginn is beautiful,especially the one with GN Drive,
Green Ginn HMT
Every get the feeling your heroes weren’t heroes but people with a alternative motive.
Especially Lacus Clyne. She goes from pop star to war rebel to supreme ruler of the plant’s colony after her father was murder. It’s like she played everybody to kill each other while getting hitch to the most powerful plot armor character so that she can rule without question once every other force is too weak to fight back because she got gundams and the ultimate genetic warrior on her side whose also a prince to a powerful nation.
This is the exact analysis Taiwanese TH-camr SHINN proposed. And I guess that is the best way to salvage bad writing.
Is his video in English?
@@sawjhtheian6651 do u have a link =)?
Holy crap I never thought of it that way and the story is set up that way
CE Haman?
I've heard the studio or what ever put pressure on the writers to bring "Jesus" back. Sadly Kira and his gundam are absolute fan favorites in japan right up there with amazing characters like Char & Amuro and their respective mechs from Counter Attack. If I'm not mistaken the top fan favorite characters in Japan are Char, Amuro, Orga, and Kira in that order in most fan polls done by companies and magazines.
I'd say he's probably more popular due to SEED, then SEED destiny, since he has much better moments in the former...for the most part.
@@TheDJman248 I agree. Destiny was messed up on purpose due to the marriage issues of the person who worked on it. The same person also developed some serious physical health issues around the same time.
Oooh I can't wait for the next part. It has the potential to be glorious.
BTW, if you want to know what the Impulse would look like with a mono eye, look up the DI Adaga from Astray R.
just ordered the first vol of eps 1-4 of seed, am super excited to check this sub series out lol
Shin is great....Spoiler
Until they need to make kira mc again so he "has" to be the villain. Also apparent backstage drama but Iv never seen a proper source to very it.
And some would say big spoiler warring.
Toss around like when the big ally baddy is using his weapon to slice up plants right and left Shine and his team are only ones that close and able to stop him,then it's back here is kira to save the day , Shine is very much used like throw away hero.
Kira: *spawned once again*
Shin: well , there goes my career....
It was the writer problem and has many drama until the writer dead in 2016
You mad lad , you actually did it ! :D
The point at 7:40ish you're making about the rockets- Lad, it was supposed to be a stealth mission, the suits were just back up. Exactly how the episode went.
I love both Gundam Seed, and Gundam Seed Destiny. 😍🤩
I’m so happy someone but me understands the appeal of shinn!
fun fact: The designer of Strike is rumoured to be Horiguchi Ooakigami (the same designer who designed Sisqueide) instead of Junichi Akutsu, the change in reason is unknown, however people suspected Horiguchi Ooakigami might have a bad relationship with bandai and hence his name was being replaced
Reason why GSD beginning war works is rising stakes, falling colony, ZAFT wasnt the bad guys, Shinn & his skills was prioritized and Athrun was in the mix.
It wasnt just 1 ship getting chased across the planet for 16+ episodes, kira crying being the victim every episode, and flays sole function being a manipulative harlot which was criminal.
Instead, Luna is likable, Shinn is proactive and We got to see Zaft soldiers get shit done.
And possibly if allowed to, Athrun could've been to Shinn that Woolf was to Asemu.
That is what should've happened.
I like Camille, edgephase aside, he's the most proactive and productive character in UC Gundam
Kamille is too over the top angsty for my taste. I like Shinn more
@@Alexzander1989 fair, he does get over it eventually, but the first 20 episodes really make you hate the guy
Daniel Nolan
Yeah... his interaction with Jerid and most especially that one officer he attacked with the Mk.II before Quattro showed up really sums up my issues with Kamille 😓
And seriously Kamille, what was your plan after this? Were ya just gonna hide the Mk.II in your backyard or something? Cuz I highly doubt he was getting out of his one thanks to dear old daddy 🤦🏻♂️
@@Alexzander1989 i mean are any reasonable justifications for the child pilots to cling to gundams in UC and beyond? Before they get in one that is
Daniel Nolan
true but at least with Amuro him getting into the Gundam made sense in the moment because there was a fucking Zaku right in front of them and trying to kill everyone
Kamille just got in a Gundam to bully and almost kill some dude who bitchslapped him for attacking a couple titans officers for slightly making fun of his name 🤦🏻♂️
Shinn is generally more preferable than Kira, Shinn at least dosen't have any ass pulling Jesus moment, he's just a guy filled with rage and it's kinda natural since he lost his parents, Shinn and Kamille are a little similar but not very uncanny, also in SRW Shinn and Kamille became buddies 😅
Luna is defintely one of my fav characters, the biggest problem for her is how she is treated in the production AND in the actual story, she's a really nice person and only wants to fit with other people, like most other would.
All in all, get ready for the battle of Impulse vs Freedom... and after that.
One of my LEAST favorite characters in Seed is the idiotic XO on the Minerva. Right from the start he questions EVERYTHING captain Gladys says and never seems to understand what is going on.
Shin does have a lot of ass pulling jessus monets.as to his rage most people wopuld deal with it.to get rid of it.Shin never does that.No does he ever think why am i fighting.it allways my superiors say they are the enemy.so they must die.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 Well... Kira did it worse--- at least Shinn didn't came back to life 3 damn times?! And besides, it's not like everyone was revolving around Shinn, the whole Seed/Destiny Cast (excluding the Minerva crew) were cheering Kira instead, regardless of whether his actions are right or wrong is always justified.
Kira does shitty ways to engage in battle--- he's specialty is called *"Disabling Mobile Suits"* now THIS is were he's Jesus ass pulling comes from, Shinn actually uses strategy AND is going for the kill rather than disabling mobile suits. And Shinn isn't as unstoppable as Kira.
@@Red.Decimo The idea that everyone aside from the miberva crew was cheering kira one lol yeah no..As to shin its easier to kill the pilot.Than to just disable his mobile suit.kira doesnt want to kill anyone anymore.that why he disables the mobile sauit.instead of killing the pilot inside.Which is harder to do.Acording to you its shity to disable the mobile suit instead of just killing the pilot inside.LOL yeah no.Oh athrun kira and shin all have seed abilitys.that makes them all at jesus level ability compared to normal pilots.Your just salty people like kira over shin.There was only one time shin used stretegy that was againt kira.the rest it was just kill all the enemys.Yes shin was as unstopable as kira.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 How am I salty? All I said is that Shinn is likable than Kira, I never stated "Shinn never deserved hate" all I wanted was to clarify some points here about Shinn.
Secondly, you know that shit is true--- everybody is cheering Kira on, even when it comes to disabling mobile suits--- you have people like Kio Asuno from AGE FX who also disables mobile suit the same way Kira does, only for him to be constantly scolded to NOT disable mobile suits--- so yeah, disabling mobile suits is a terrible way of pacifist fighting. Loran and Banagher are good examples of pacifist fighter, they fight because they have to, and they understand that it's war that they are dealing with--- Kira is nothing like that, disabling mobile suits won't guarantee that they won't come back.
If you ask me about whose the stronger Seed mode user between the 3, I believe that would be Athrun, but in plot-wise it would most likely be Kira.
Coordinators THEMSELVES are totally fine, It's the SEED FACTOR that's bullshit here.
Also, please learn how to spell-- 9 times out of 10 of your sentence speaks nothing but bullshit that you provide, dumbass.
*Edit:* another L for you--- Shinn is not as unstoppable as Kira (granted he survived injuries but not death)
Athrun proved that, how? Watch the Infinite Justice vs Destiny Gundam battle.
*Kira shows up*
evreyone in CE: "let's just let him do whatever he wants. It's too dumb to even resist anymore"
Its interesting to see another perspective cause I actually liked Destiny more when it switched back to Kira I couldn't stand Shinn at all. I mainly watched Destiny to see how the old cast was doing and barely cared about the new cast apart from a few like Lunamaria and Meyrin. But I will say I hated how they treated Athrun and Cagalli
It's interesting to see this perspective flip over a decade later. I watched the shows when they aired and pack then, at least among the people I interacted with online, tons of fans vocally HATED Shinn and like you were mostly only interested in seeing the continuation of the story of the old cast. Where there was a lot of negativity about the show as a whole, much of it centered around things like the direction of AsuCaga relationship.
It's interesting to see how opinions changed overall as time marched on. I remember tons of people cheering when Shinn lost his spotlight and was cast as a villain to be beaten down; while people loved Kira, I think part of the reason for the protagonist switch is just how many people were vocally anti-Shinn at the time.
Shinn >>>>>> Kira
Me too.
Technically, the moment at heavens base, the Destroy Team should steamrolled the main cast, chiefly because they should have just fired at each other non stop, the crossfire would have been blocked by their positron shields, while overwhelming the dingy beam schilds of the hero suits easily.
The combined fleet dies after that.
Let us not forget that Djibril and cohort had the time and spare cash to build what, like 12 or so of these giant mofos.
AND a giant superlaser.
AND a large army of mooks.
AND a large anti air cannon, no, an anti air mountain.
AND a fashion designer from boretown..
God I can't wait for the next episode. Also I never really realized that series didn't go to shit immediately after episode 10.
Whilst watching the video, you can hear the doom clock ticking towards Armageddon
Thank you shin is indeed a good character.Its heart breaking what they do to both him and the main cast.God it pisses me off still to this day...
Ahhh, haven't even watched the video yet and I'm giggling.
we had a similar sentiment with the seeds though the details are different. it took like a year or six months for me to get through seed even though i liked it. but i blazed through destiny in a week or two and really enjoyed my time with it.
Whew lad you are in for a downhill spiral my dude
I would love to hear you thoughts on Seed and Seed Destiny's music. It is by far my favorite part of both series.
2:00 the Strike Gundam was meant to carry the “all-purpose” adaptability role, or like, it has the combos of the other Gundams. That’s why it has all the packs: it has the sword striker (Duel), the launcher striker (Buster), and the Aile Strike (Aegis) packs.
Then, the Duel is the melee/short range of role (originally until ZAFT modified it), the Buster as the long range, the Aegis is the middle range, and the Blitz (which you didn’t mention)is the stealth/covert role.
If one day I work in NASA I'm going to build a Saku
Finally! Someone else that appreciates the glory that is the Sisquiede!
I've finally found someone that shares my opinions about Seed Destiny
Hello MR,Boo! I have an idea for you. Now hear me out here: Gundam Seed Astray! It is a short, easy to digest ova that actually feels good! Don't worry about any bullshit. Just enjoy a tale of Red and Blue vs Gold.
Kira and ark angel appears at the last few part of the series how can you say that the writter focus on kira?
I dunno maybe because he *stole* the role of main character from Shinn ?
"CAMILLE IS A PERFECTLY GOOD NAME FOR A MAN IM A MAN AND I"LL PROVE IT"
Ah, a Bertigo. I see you are man of culture as well.
3:15 THANK YOU! This has something that has always bothered me about ZAFT! I think my only other complaint about "early Destiny" is that the EA is kind of reduced to a joke. Say what you will about ZAFT's grunts, but they still got kills. The poor Windam, (outside of Neo's Windam) despite its upgrade over the Strike Dagger and Dagger L was a joke of a mobile suit and never got an on-screen kill or even performed that remarkably. I'm just glad its finally getting a model after all these years in May.
A huge damn problem is if you read about the ea grunt units... they actually preformed just as well as zaft and the fights were suppose to have been even according to the writen lore of the events however in the show and manga they treat the ea like a doctor evil henchmen beyond exposable and not trained yet they are supposedly just as well trained as zaft and capable of fighting against coordinators without struggling to keep up with them.... and this is why i think the shows are crap cause they dont make you feel like there is anything of value to any threat
Seed Destiny is basically a ripped off of 0083, zeta,zz, and Counter-attack. But mainly 0083 and ZZ.
Thats alot
@@Sonicfalcon16 yeah but you start to notice it in small pieces at first such as the plot, mobile suits, themes, characters, characters ideas. For insane Shinn is based on Koui from 0083. They both are reckless and sense people, and they both are defeated at the end of the series. Both trash different variety of their Gundams and try to take out a top ace fighter, who is in a OP Gundam.
@@jcruz2357 Are you sure about that? If anything, Shinn feels more like if they followed JERID from Zeta but had Kamille traits (ie super angst, Four = Stella)
may i ask how? I've heard the Zeta comparison a lot (along with the SEED 0079 comparison) which i just don't see because the plot, characters and setting don't really add up minus a few superficial things like shinn and kamille being angry teenagers, but they are angry for completely different reasons. If you are referring to the colony drops in both series, a majority of gundams series do that... its a gundam trope like how majority of gundam shows needs some man in a mask char clone. I'm watching ZZ and again i am not seeing the plot or character comparison. Haven't seen 0083 so i can't say anything on that, but it just seems like a stretch to call the show a rip off just because they share the same tropes... since it is the same franchise!
Kagale is being a puppet of seiran that is why kira decided to get kagalli...watch it and try to understand the story
Great video! Personally I never found Shinn super likeable after he eventually goes to far, but I loved him as a tragic antagonist to the old protagonists and the way you have some attachment to both sides of the battle. The rest of the Minerva crew I liked or was ok with, and again whenever the Archangel and the Minerva fight each other there's a special tension since you are rooting for both.
One thing I really had a hard time with was Cagalli's on the early part of the show. Sure, she was always over emotional and politics can be ruthless and complex, but this is someone who fought in a war, commanded and lead the survivos of Orb and even at one point fought MS mounted in a jeep with a buch of guys with bazookas. I think you could have achived the same things in the story without making her seem so powerless, I actually believe that the Cagalli of early Seed Destiny wouldn't have stopped the war, just like Kira says, it's still bad writing since it would have made more sense for her to behave differently.
While the plot with Lacus focuses a bit to much in the idol part, that's not what it's important about her, or at least not the most important. She is the daugther of a former Council leader, her father died and she was persecuted for wanting to descalate the war and oppose Zala's extreme objectives, she fougth in the Eternal and was there during the climactic battle and helped to stop either Earth or the Plants being destroyed. She being an idol is the cherry on top, but its her name and reputation what gives value to use her double as a political tool and propaganda. It also gives small foreshawing that the Chairman, who until that point was shown as a really moderate, sensible and well intended character, perhaps wasn't quite as perfect. So I'm personally quite ok with that part of the show.
I really like the blue zakubwith rhe tein shoulder gatlings i have loved shoulder cannons ever since War Machine
You can blame Durandal for the return of Kira & co. He was the one who sent assassins to kill Lacus so that his plan can go smoothly. Unfortunately for Durandal, the Archangel has the power to retaliate.
the term power creep doesn't even begin to describe it.
Imagine if Amuro Ray takes over Kamille Bidan and Judau Ashta in both Zeta and Double Zeta...
I honestly feel how they handled amuro in zeta was perfect, they kept the focus on kamille but allowed us to learn amuro's fate, see him, watch him fight again, show us how hes changed but not let it interfere with the main cast same for hiyato, sayla and kai
luckily i watched dub so the whole show is just all that Ed & Edd gag type beat, helps that both Kira and Athrun being voiced by the same folks who did Ed and Double D's voices respectively
your timing is impeccable, i just finished Destiny like two weeks ago, and throughly enjoyed the first half. however when the writers turn the crew of the minerva into a lot of incompetent tools, while kira and lacus turn into the paragons of righteousness that were always right about everything, that's when i stopped liking it as much. have you ever seen Turn A Gundam? I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
Yeah, we all knew this was coming lol
Shit I watched ur seed vid now this??? Great way to treat your new subscribers!
And this is why I read fanfic people who actually have passion and a working brain have done Gundam seed better than the people who made the actual show made it worth the time to read it.
Fanfics are always superior
....Suuuuuuuuuuurrre.....
@@laststrike4411 seriously some of them are really good
which ones?
@@hybridAbsol What? That's bullshit
You've only seen the first half? You poor sweet summer child. Have fun with the ending.
Have fun with the second half.
All down from there, say for some moments.
So... I'm new to this channel has he done other gundam type of review?
What's that game you got playing in the background?
You forgot the Blitz when bringing up the SEED Gundams.
I run a few Gundam related pages and the hate for Destiny is real. But I tend to have the best Gundam conversations with people who have actually sat down and watched SD with as much of a neutral view as possible. Thank you my guy for actually shoving some much deserved praise on the first portion of the series. BTW You mention being around halfway.....oh lord...you get....maybe ten ish good episodes left. Looking forward to your final thoughts.
Btw, how anyone ever could have mistaken meer for flatboard lacus is hilariously beyond me.
Growing up with this show in high school and writing fanfics that wasn't yaoi for it, I used to defend this show...until the 2nd half of it came out and I was confused borderline annoyed. Apparently people on reddit STILL defend the writing of this show.
After that first half
It goes tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down.
I love the google eyes on Kira and lacus. Lacus especially is one of the goofiest gundam characters ever right down to her long pink hair.shes aloof and I wonder if she really cares about others at all much like bubblegum from AT she seems like a good moral figure but I wonder..
Please make a video on the rest of the sereis
What game is used in the background uring the video?
Soooo you gonna pick up the blu-ray when it's out? No doubt it'll get an ultra edition like it's predecessor is this year.
YES ! Finally someone said it, justice for Seed Destiny.
We have to give props to them no one would have expected to steal a bride from her wedding on a Gundam series that was weird and out of the left field but they can boast they are the only ones who have done it ...
You’d better prepare both your mind and body man. I’m not sure if you’re ready to handle it.
What game is that in the background while you're talkin I'd like to know someone please tell me what game that is!
What is this cool game in the background?
I was never a fan of seed or destiny but god dammit japanese loves it a lot it seems which is shame.
Would be interested to hear your thoughts on After War Gundam X as i dont think (could be wrong) it gets much love and i remember enjoying it.
@@BOOFIRE191 X is an underrated gem.
@@BOOFIRE191 Appropriately enough, the Gundam X cast was playing in the background, with Tifa surprisingly using a mobile suit, fascinatingly, the Bertigo. Foreshadowing!!
X is good, but I think it's weaker than it should be in the end. It cannot be overstated just how much the mid-series cancellation cripples it. What should've been a more fleshed-out space arc is rushed and compressed, leaving the SRA and the rebels underdeveloped. And the Frost brothers go from awesome villain duo to a joke when their secret motivations are hurriedly laid bare without any real foreshadowing.
X is a great watch, but the ending plot arc had me going "that's it??" It deserved way better than it got.
@@danielludwig647 I loved the ending. Sure, it was a bit rushed, but there was closure in every aspect of the story.
@@comradefreedom8275 The ending itself is fine, and does manage to wrap stuff up...I just think it needed a lot more lead-in. I feel like the show really rushed to the ending just to deal with losing what could've been a full 50 episode count, and it suffered for it.
Don't get me wrong, I like X. I just prefer the Earth-based arc way more than the rushed space one. Their Char clone also lacks a lot of development because of that story compression, compared to Jamil as an excellent fleshed-out Amuro-analogue.
Oh you might think Shinn is fine now but then he gets the Destiny Gundam and that’s where his intelligence takes a huge nosedive. Anyone who has seen Wackymodder84’s videos on the subject will know what I mean.
i agree with everything you said, it's really hard to watch when the show goes to team Kira
You're gonna wanna finish SEED Destiny soon than later, trust me
What game is playing in the background?
Nice background gameplay
Sorry if i missed it, but what game is this?