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"there is very little creators I trust that can support anything right ". Beyond true at this point lol. Some models you can look at and you just know they will fail on you lol. I support everything myself now no matter what. It takes ages but I know they will be alright then.
Welcome to the business. I went through this with my laser company. Licensing sucks especially if there is no exclusivity or MAP licensing model. It becomes a race to the bottom with tiny margins. The only way out is to design your own stuff and not license. It sucks because there is a limit to how much time you can be designing and not printing. You quickly hit diminishing returns. Add the supporting and test time and you really need to dial in your workflow. I also love them mentioning the material/resin used. The resin supply chain is good but not perfect and all it takes is one bad batch to really screw stuff up and cause delays. The cost of the resin is also an issue and if you have to switch brand, there is the testing and tuning time. Those things and major time and profit killers. You have to treat it like a REAL business and not a hobby. That means a real business plan. Getting a license and legal representation on retainer. Sitting down and running your cost numbers and not just the hard costs of the equipment and supplies but the soft costs like time, packaging, shipping limits/requirements, platform costs, etc. Read as much as you can about running a business before you even start. Look at how taxes work. That extra income needs to be reported and there is nothing worse when you get that first 1099 from your payment processor only to learn, it doesn't include withholding taxes. Being your own company is not easy but if you pull it off you are set to control your own future.
Key to success, NEVER PRINT TO ORDER!!!!!!!!! Always run a Stock system instead, this will keep your sanity and not working overtime because some big order came in you didn't expect.
I would also recommend learning 3D design. Don't just offer someone else's creations but your own, and no Merchants is needed for your own stuff. Even though AI is making 3D models now, a human touch is still required. I have been learning Blender to start my own model/terrain to offer. It is a chance to restart after becoming disabled.
@supersaltlee7657 they do if I had one single ounce of artistic talent 😆 I know they don't compare in quality but I'd like to create basic models for game design and 3D printing
@chrisrhodes6595 the learning process will take a year and a couple of years until you are comfortable. Study work you admire, draw your references and model those references. Keep going!
@@chrisrhodes6595 It has changed over 2+ years, so I don't know if the artist who showed it off is still using it for video game assets. One of the examples I saw had the designer create a rectangle in Blender, type in the prompt, and it changed the mesh, unwrapped UV, and added textures to make it look like a large AC cooling unit. Rough, but it worked. I'm not saying AI is a bad tool, by itself, just too many people are going the easy route of type and done.
Right? G-Wreckshop could have revitalized everything if they stopped chasing pennies. Their f-cast stuff does not need to be so expensive for such a bubble ridden mess. Heck, I think they would gain a large chunk of people back if they switched to instore printing/pickup for OOP Oldenhammer. The plastic I can see going up in price, but not as much as it has. There is 0 justification for this aside from making up the loss from new raises.
Hey Sam, Glad you covered this! As someone who's entire job is doing exactly this, its nice to have it covered. I have some pretty in depth thoughts on this if you ever end up doing another video and want some insights into starting to where I am now.
I sell from time to time. I’ve paid off my 2 printers at this point and maybe put a little extra in my pocket. I don’t plan on doing it full time, but it is some nice and easy money when you do it a few times a month.
"They're just trying to shut down the competition" Yep. Remember Spots the Pink SM fiasco? The author was using public domain words, in use BEFORE G-Wreckshop, and they used both trademark and copyright laws which wouldn't even apply. But due to rules Ama still had to delist and pull. I love bringing that up due to fading attention spans.
@@lachlan519 Sorry, seems I can't explain the issue. This is my third attempt to reply. I don't know why it keeps getting pulled. The author of "Spots " is M C A Hogarth. Should be a starting point.
I have a farm of 25 printers and 2 workers + myself, i use at least 40l/month, 65+ more often. Those guys surely are not printing a lot. I use both presupported files and in case they fail i support them myself.
Great video! I’m about to drop my first 3D printed accessory for 1/18 figures from a galaxy far, far away so I’ve been looking for more and more content like this. Thanks!
Crushing content! Like most “cutting edge” technologies there’s a lot of work that must, MUST, be done yourself. If, and when, the technology becomes more widespread then the market to fill the demand will also grow. This includes better files, including supports.
Really relatable , love this video. It’s definitely not as easy as you’d think and it’s something not to jump in and start turning a profit. I don’t expect to start seeing a profit for at least a year after investments of files , materials, cleaning materials etc. The one thing they don’t touch on and it’s definitely a big one to do dependant on your country’s laws is keeping on top of your sales and recording all your outgoings so when it comes to the tax man time you can do your return as painless as it can be. I did laugh to myself when they said about having more files than time to list them 😂 I wear that t short daily .
I reckon that would be awesome, I think it would be worth (and I don’t mean exacts) but talk about something that many people don’t realise is how much money we earn per sale. I can only talk from personal experience but I bet people don’t realise that a product I sell for say £5.99 I only make £1.5 and why certain things cost a lot more and show the real value of stuff, examples of products that are multi plate prints are diminishing returns due to time to print and post processing doesn’t necessarily mean we charge the world and a £50 print often , albeit a good chunk of change, offers extreme value for what’s put into it. Loved the video and your 2s perspective and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t jealous of you having mezgikes merchant license.
@@craigchuck4247 Yeah all good points, thats definitely something we didnt talk about which I think would be good for a follow up vid. Yep I know how lucky I am there, Mezgike doesnt give out licences, he constantly has to shut people down on Etsy (there are two people selling his stuff right now which are about to be shut down)
Have a total of 50 miniatures and print them and stock up and increase your inventory, so when you get an order. Just pull it off the shelves and ship it.
I have to say you’re the number one person for being able to tell somebody about 3-D printing and selling and making models saving money what is the 3-D printer that you suggest in the year of 2024 for resin? Can you give me a whole list of everything I would need initially as in just the main hardware and can you hint where I should look for 3-D model I don’t even know what they’re called for like the files like I know nothing but I wanna go ham doing this I recently became a stay at home Dad so I can take care of my two autistic kids and I need a way to create a side income while my partner works and I want to impress her by being able to actually make profit plus, I’d like to make some really cool toys for my kids you’re the only reason why I’m alive so I know everything!
I made a couple of thousand off my first 3d printer. But that was 8 years ago in the wild west days. Hell just 'oil' drums made me over £500. But the market tightened and I got hit with a few false ip hits on Ebay ... once they think your own mini is not yours its VERY difficult to convince them its your model. In the end Brexit killed my business as 60% of my sales were outside the UK and it fell off a cliff. Happy to do it and still give mates rates but the market left me behind years ago.
alot of people buy files or printed models. As an example i know a seller who lives in china and he gets access to almost anything and eaht he does is he has individuals around the world he has print and shop on his behalf and he pays them X amount. So he never has issues of falling behind.
Hello guys I want to start printing on a resin printer soon and in therm of this I want to play the Grey Knights, but I only got to find castellan crowe yet. so did anyone a link or some names I have to look for? pls?
That was actually a really interesting video. The two blokes gave some really neat insight. Wouldnt mind more of this kinda video tbh 🙂 (Also: i didnt know mister metokur was into 3d printing 😂 sorry. Had to)
Im sell 3d print, not de models, but the SERVICE... i think if your client give you the model, and dont have de printer, you can make money with no problem, the problem of IP its on the hand of client not yours, he finds or buy the model, downloads and share with you, how he find and download, idk, dont matters... its a nice and secure format for me, other important thing, you dont have the obrigation to sell ONLY miniatures, you open to make all projects, hobby or not, you free to make what the client needs using this custom service!
The issue is I have the bambu p1s and just can't justify resin, the fumes the hazards etc and I would have to put it in my garage, which from my main room is a minute walk, Also in my garage I have my small personal gym too so, I just can't easily justify all those factors for "Sharper/nicer looking mini prints" because that's about all I could use it for...
The "hazards and fumes" are really over sensationalized. Car exhaust is more harmful to your health. I wouldn't recommend running them on your kitchen table or around children though.
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i got myself a merchant licence from dakka dakka, also riverside minis. it works pretty great but from what i can say, you have to pay a lot of money before you do profit. packaging, resin, stl files, merchant licences sometimes you have to do the same print twice cause it breaks, fails, you name it. currently i got 2 printers and they only run for my commercial stuff. for now its enough.
the supports are also a thing. i usually use auto support. cause it works great for me. with dakka dakka store i use their pre supportet models ( those are the first ones which work for me ) but my experiance is that these creators put too much supports on models which makes cleaning them up a big big mess.
i dont believe into high quality resin. i use water washable resin on my mars 4 max 6k and my prints come out just crispy. my ratings are great with this resin, some people even wrote that those are the best printed models they ever got. its not about resin cost, its more likley about your settings.
I sell prints but it's BYO files. This means I'm not required to have a license because I'm not selling files. The customer gives me a USB with the files they want printed. I do it just to cover my expenses of printing for myself and my friends/family and it works great.
I know a company locally that did that sort of thing. There building is empty now with a big seizure notice on the front door. Flying under the radar is fine until you end up a blip on the screen.
I have to say you’re the number one person for being able to tell somebody about 3-D printing and selling and making models saving money what is the 3-D printer that you suggest in the year of 2024 for resin? Can you give me a whole list of everything I would need initially as in just the main hardware and can you hint where I should look for 3-D model I don’t even know what they’re called for like the files like I know nothing but I wanna go ham doing this I recently became a stay at home Dad so I can take care of my two autistic kids and I need a way to create a side income while my partner works and I want to impress her by being able to actually make profit plus, I’d like to make some really cool toys for my kids you’re the only reason why I’m alive so I know everything!
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"there is very little creators I trust that can support anything right ". Beyond true at this point lol. Some models you can look at and you just know they will fail on you lol. I support everything myself now no matter what. It takes ages but I know they will be alright then.
there are some very reliable, TMC and MPG to say 2 that have never failed me
Welcome to the business. I went through this with my laser company. Licensing sucks especially if there is no exclusivity or MAP licensing model. It becomes a race to the bottom with tiny margins. The only way out is to design your own stuff and not license. It sucks because there is a limit to how much time you can be designing and not printing. You quickly hit diminishing returns. Add the supporting and test time and you really need to dial in your workflow.
I also love them mentioning the material/resin used. The resin supply chain is good but not perfect and all it takes is one bad batch to really screw stuff up and cause delays. The cost of the resin is also an issue and if you have to switch brand, there is the testing and tuning time. Those things and major time and profit killers.
You have to treat it like a REAL business and not a hobby. That means a real business plan. Getting a license and legal representation on retainer. Sitting down and running your cost numbers and not just the hard costs of the equipment and supplies but the soft costs like time, packaging, shipping limits/requirements, platform costs, etc. Read as much as you can about running a business before you even start. Look at how taxes work. That extra income needs to be reported and there is nothing worse when you get that first 1099 from your payment processor only to learn, it doesn't include withholding taxes. Being your own company is not easy but if you pull it off you are set to control your own future.
Key to success, NEVER PRINT TO ORDER!!!!!!!!! Always run a Stock system instead, this will keep your sanity and not working overtime because some big order came in you didn't expect.
I would also recommend learning 3D design. Don't just offer someone else's creations but your own, and no Merchants is needed for your own stuff.
Even though AI is making 3D models now, a human touch is still required. I have been learning Blender to start my own model/terrain to offer. It is a chance to restart after becoming disabled.
Which AI tools are you using for 3D modeling? I've been looking for a good one for months and no luck
Human Designs and original designs always win
@supersaltlee7657 they do if I had one single ounce of artistic talent 😆
I know they don't compare in quality but I'd like to create basic models for game design and 3D printing
@chrisrhodes6595 the learning process will take a year and a couple of years until you are comfortable. Study work you admire, draw your references and model those references. Keep going!
@@chrisrhodes6595 It has changed over 2+ years, so I don't know if the artist who showed it off is still using it for video game assets.
One of the examples I saw had the designer create a rectangle in Blender, type in the prompt, and it changed the mesh, unwrapped UV, and added textures to make it look like a large AC cooling unit. Rough, but it worked.
I'm not saying AI is a bad tool, by itself, just too many people are going the easy route of type and done.
Reject overpriced plastic.
Embrace affordable printed resin
Right? G-Wreckshop could have revitalized everything if they stopped chasing pennies. Their f-cast stuff does not need to be so expensive for such a bubble ridden mess. Heck, I think they would gain a large chunk of people back if they switched to instore printing/pickup for OOP Oldenhammer.
The plastic I can see going up in price, but not as much as it has. There is 0 justification for this aside from making up the loss from new raises.
Hey Sam, Glad you covered this! As someone who's entire job is doing exactly this, its nice to have it covered. I have some pretty in depth thoughts on this if you ever end up doing another video and want some insights into starting to where I am now.
I sell from time to time. I’ve paid off my 2 printers at this point and maybe put a little extra in my pocket. I don’t plan on doing it full time, but it is some nice and easy money when you do it a few times a month.
"They're just trying to shut down the competition" Yep. Remember Spots the Pink SM fiasco? The author was using public domain words, in use BEFORE G-Wreckshop, and they used both trademark and copyright laws which wouldn't even apply. But due to rules Ama still had to delist and pull.
I love bringing that up due to fading attention spans.
Haven't heard of the him or the takedown, where can I find this?
@@lachlan519 Sorry, seems I can't explain the issue. This is my third attempt to reply. I don't know why it keeps getting pulled. The author of "Spots " is M C A Hogarth. Should be a starting point.
I did this on a small scale for a bit. It is so much work. Good margins but a lot of work. Only did it for about 6 months or so.
I have a farm of 25 printers and 2 workers + myself, i use at least 40l/month, 65+ more often. Those guys surely are not printing a lot. I use both presupported files and in case they fail i support them myself.
Great video! I’m about to drop my first 3D printed accessory for 1/18 figures from a galaxy far, far away so I’ve been looking for more and more content like this. Thanks!
Crushing content! Like most “cutting edge” technologies there’s a lot of work that must, MUST, be done yourself. If, and when, the technology becomes more widespread then the market to fill the demand will also grow. This includes better files, including supports.
Really relatable , love this video. It’s definitely not as easy as you’d think and it’s something not to jump in and start turning a profit. I don’t expect to start seeing a profit for at least a year after investments of files , materials, cleaning materials etc.
The one thing they don’t touch on and it’s definitely a big one to do dependant on your country’s laws is keeping on top of your sales and recording all your outgoings so when it comes to the tax man time you can do your return as painless as it can be.
I did laugh to myself when they said about having more files than time to list them 😂 I wear that t short daily .
Hey bud, we didnt touch on every subject plus the full interview is on the Paetron. Maybe we should do a follow up interview ;)
I reckon that would be awesome, I think it would be worth (and I don’t mean exacts) but talk about something that many people don’t realise is how much money we earn per sale. I can only talk from personal experience but I bet people don’t realise that a product I sell for say £5.99 I only make £1.5 and why certain things cost a lot more and show the real value of stuff, examples of products that are multi plate prints are diminishing returns due to time to print and post processing doesn’t necessarily mean we charge the world and a £50 print often , albeit a good chunk of change, offers extreme value for what’s put into it.
Loved the video and your 2s perspective and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t jealous of you having mezgikes merchant license.
@@craigchuck4247 Yeah all good points, thats definitely something we didnt talk about which I think would be good for a follow up vid.
Yep I know how lucky I am there, Mezgike doesnt give out licences, he constantly has to shut people down on Etsy (there are two people selling his stuff right now which are about to be shut down)
Have a total of 50 miniatures and print them and stock up and increase your inventory, so when you get an order. Just pull it off the shelves and ship it.
I have to say you’re the number one person for being able to tell somebody about 3-D printing and selling and making models saving money what is the 3-D printer that you suggest in the year of 2024 for resin? Can you give me a whole list of everything I would need initially as in just the main hardware and can you hint where I should look for 3-D model I don’t even know what they’re called for like the files like I know nothing but I wanna go ham doing this I recently became a stay at home Dad so I can take care of my two autistic kids and I need a way to create a side income while my partner works and I want to impress her by being able to actually make profit plus, I’d like to make some really cool toys for my kids you’re the only reason why I’m alive so I know everything!
I made a couple of thousand off my first 3d printer. But that was 8 years ago in the wild west days.
Hell just 'oil' drums made me over £500.
But the market tightened and I got hit with a few false ip hits on Ebay ... once they think your own mini is not yours its VERY difficult to convince them its your model.
In the end Brexit killed my business as 60% of my sales were outside the UK and it fell off a cliff.
Happy to do it and still give mates rates but the market left me behind years ago.
thats sad actually.
but even with brexit there are tons of people selling stuff from britian to europe.
even tho idk who would pay 15€ for shipping.
It depends..if your all about making the most amount of money you can...then regardless of what you like, u pr8nt and sell whats in demand.
One of the guys at my local game store commissioned me to print him a White Scars army.
Elegoo Saturn 3 ultra works great. I have 20 of them.
alot of people buy files or printed models. As an example i know a seller who lives in china and he gets access to almost anything and eaht he does is he has individuals around the world he has print and shop on his behalf and he pays them X amount. So he never has issues of falling behind.
Hello guys I want to start printing on a resin printer soon and in therm of this I want to play the Grey Knights, but I only got to find castellan crowe yet. so did anyone a link or some names I have to look for? pls?
That was actually a really interesting video. The two blokes gave some really neat insight.
Wouldnt mind more of this kinda video tbh 🙂
(Also: i didnt know mister metokur was into 3d printing 😂 sorry. Had to)
We were thinking of doing a second vid to this
@@loken9124 hell yes! Really enjoyed it. 🤘 Also you have a good chemistry together
@@timomatic6226 we do ok, considering we talk stuff like this almost every week, if not more. lol
Auto Support works great on Lychee
Im sell 3d print, not de models, but the SERVICE... i think if your client give you the model, and dont have de printer, you can make money with no problem, the problem of IP its on the hand of client not yours, he finds or buy the model, downloads and share with you, how he find and download, idk, dont matters... its a nice and secure format for me, other important thing, you dont have the obrigation to sell ONLY miniatures, you open to make all projects, hobby or not, you free to make what the client needs using this custom service!
Elegoo ABS 3.0 is the best resin cheap and great quality
The issue is I have the bambu p1s and just can't justify resin, the fumes the hazards etc and I would have to put it in my garage, which from my main room is a minute walk, Also in my garage I have my small personal gym too so, I just can't easily justify all those factors for "Sharper/nicer looking mini prints" because that's about all I could use it for...
The "hazards and fumes" are really over sensationalized. Car exhaust is more harmful to your health. I wouldn't recommend running them on your kitchen table or around children though.
@@mordenthex8554 Yea well I have dogs too, they usually follow me into the garage and I don't want to jeopardise their health in anyway
If u have a regular job while trying to list and sell prints ..expect to fall behind or quit your job if your demand is high enough to support you
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wish i had resin printer
funny thing, i just started selling stuff on ebay.
i got myself a merchant licence from dakka dakka, also riverside minis.
it works pretty great but from what i can say, you have to pay a lot of money before you do profit.
packaging, resin, stl files, merchant licences
sometimes you have to do the same print twice cause it breaks, fails, you name it.
currently i got 2 printers and they only run for my commercial stuff. for now its enough.
also the time aspect.
i work 10hrs a day fulltime, when i get home i sometimes have to sit there for 2+ hours to clean, cure, dry, package etc.
the supports are also a thing.
i usually use auto support. cause it works great for me.
with dakka dakka store i use their pre supportet models ( those are the first ones which work for me )
but my experiance is that these creators put too much supports on models which makes cleaning them up a big big mess.
i dont believe into high quality resin.
i use water washable resin on my mars 4 max 6k and my prints come out just crispy. my ratings are great with this resin, some people even wrote that those are the best printed models they ever got.
its not about resin cost, its more likley about your settings.
Dont tell gw but i sell 3d printed war hammer40k titans and its really profitable 😅😅😅
the first rule of fight club, don't talk about fight club.
Hire your own 3d modeler in the longterm its much more easier its what i did.
I sell prints but it's BYO files. This means I'm not required to have a license because I'm not selling files. The customer gives me a USB with the files they want printed. I do it just to cover my expenses of printing for myself and my friends/family and it works great.
That's not really a business is it though? It is a side hustle or group hobby.
I know a company locally that did that sort of thing. There building is empty now with a big seizure notice on the front door. Flying under the radar is fine until you end up a blip on the screen.
I have to say you’re the number one person for being able to tell somebody about 3-D printing and selling and making models saving money what is the 3-D printer that you suggest in the year of 2024 for resin? Can you give me a whole list of everything I would need initially as in just the main hardware and can you hint where I should look for 3-D model I don’t even know what they’re called for like the files like I know nothing but I wanna go ham doing this I recently became a stay at home Dad so I can take care of my two autistic kids and I need a way to create a side income while my partner works and I want to impress her by being able to actually make profit plus, I’d like to make some really cool toys for my kids you’re the only reason why I’m alive so I know everything!