One thing of note on the Arms spec for leveling. If you plan on copying his build, I highly, highly advise getting Anger Management asap rather than the last point before MS. The benefits of the additional rage will far outweigh the benefits of say an earlier 1% in 2h weapon damage. The reduce rage decay outside of combat and increased rage gen. during combat will be far more beneficial to you while leveling.
Totally right brother! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect People who hate on the talent probably don't understand the fact that the tooltip is very bad, I would get anger management right away personally
@@Grimprospect i wonder why you dont take improved heroic strike and improved charge while leveling as arms.. Is it also normal that my overpower ability doesnt proc so much? Is there a way to force the enemy to block more so i can 'spam' overpower..
@@Ontspandude heroic strike becomes semi dead weight once you pick up MS and WW Essentially you would only use heroic strike if you have a *surplus* of rage
As a Fury warrior who cleared NAXX in LB and Northdale I have to say your video is clear and informative and your efforts are appreciated. Keep it up and u will earn more subs.
Curious - after 4 years on a p-server, how far were you able to get in the game? I've always wondered how long it might take to theoretically go from nothing to full Naxx BIS.
A few opinions; Warrior Kinship is not available in Phase 1. Definetly get the lvl 20 Chest (and KEEP it) - You can use it later in raids, pre-pull in combination with a Rage Potion and start the fight with 100 Rage - just make sure to switch back to your current chestpiece again once the fight is about to start. This is especially useful for Tanks. Thanks for the great Video, thumbs up!
Yeah sadly none of the level 50 class quests are in phase 1. At the time it was unclear as to the inclusion of those quests but now that classic is out we can all be sad together. And yes the chest is an awesome pre-pull option =). I'll be using it tonight before Ragnaros. Thanks for the comment!
One thing i noticed when playing the real game. Is hamstring kiting is significantly less effective and sometimes a negative. With this leeway mechanic the enemy range is much farther then I ever experienced on private servers. I find myself constantly unable to get out of range before my swing timer finishes and if i go that extra half second to get out of range my swing timer will probably finish but i'll get hit 1 last time. Then any time i waste out of range just finishes the enemy's swing timer basically giving them 1 extra attack they wouldn't normally have. As hamstring got better it started to work but I've basically abandoned it.
Revisiting this after hitting level 60 on my warrior main. I am now raid geared and will be clearing AQ40 on release with my guild. Thanks for the guide my man, really helped me out!
Fury tank is nice once you get some gear going. Towards the end of classic, I was able to tank MC in almost full purple battle gear, keeping only some choice pieces with +defense, with no adverse effects. Killing speed increased tremendously.
19:41 Mark of Tyranny is not from the Onyxia Attunement Quest. It's a reward from the quest "General Drakkisath's Demise" and it is higly recommendable to choose "Blackhand's Breadth " as a reward. Reason is that you can easily get "Vigilance Charm" (2% dodge) from Immol'thar in Dire Maul. In my oppinion "Blackhand's Breadth " and "Vigilance Charm" is the best pre bis trinket combination. One for threat generation and one for damage mitigation.
Totally right! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect Please keep in mind that the talent decreases rage decay while Out of Combat _BY_ providing 1 rage per 3 seconds, it's not in addition to the 30% reduction. Here's a more elaborate explanation; www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/aeln9t/anger_management/edsrbpr/
@@OliverSnith it also generates rage while in combat not a significant amount but you know lol I'm personally not taking it because I legit need that point for other stuff and can manage rage more than well enough
It's a common misconception that a quicker weapon will allow you to generate more rage. The reason you use a quick weapon as a tank, is so that if you are tanking a boss and getting hit hard, thus always being rage capped, you'll be able to use heroic strike more and thereby generating more threat. For a fresh 60, and even most of molten core (especially as an off-tank), all that matters is stats. Thrash Blade could potentially be a very good tanking weapon to start off with. A quick weapon generates the same amount of rage as a slow weapon. Made up example: Weapon with 1.0 speed, Weapon with 2.0 speed - same stats, same DPS - will generate the same amount of rage over 1 minute.
And now that I've watched it all: Diamond flask can not "hold you over" for some time. It will likely follow you all the way till Naxx, and the beginning of it, unless you pool all your DKP for trinkets. 75 str is 150 AP. Any fight that last less than 1½ minute, or fights where there's a burn phase, this outshines most early trinkets. 75str vs 2% crit (Blackhand's)? Yep, 75 str. Ragnaros, Vael, Cthun, viscidus, you name it. Plenty of fights, even in dungeons, calls for DPS at certain points in the fight. What a good warrior need to do is trinket swap. Even carrying around a Ramstein's Lightning Bolts can be helpfull. 10-20 thrash mob pull @ 200 damage each? That's a lot. You just need to swap preemptively, be ready and aware. If you forget to swap back though, then you should stick to wearing the same 2 static trinkets. Same thing with fast weapons/rage goes for fury warriors. Fast weapons in off-hand does not generate more rage. The ONLY reason to use a fast weapon in off-hand is for dense sharpening stone, and that's not even that big of a deal, certainly not to hold back from upgrading a fast blue to something like a brutality blade or deathbringer in off-hand. "On a 2.8 speed weapon, Dense Sharpening Stone is worth almost 40 AP, with 1.9 speed it's 58 AP" - quote from someone who did the math. Off-hands are for stats. Even the main-hand only really needs to be slow for heroic strike and whirlwind, and in pre-raid gear you don't get to use those that often. Use the best weapons you can get your hands on, statwise, don't worry about speed. Other than those things, good guide! Really like how you included a lot of alternatives and easy-to-get. The term BiS, though meaning Best in Slot, really hinders people's progression. Go for realistic gear, get lucky, get the second or third best, use your time to get consumables or have fun instead. I liked it.
Thank you for the in-depth feedback! You are totally correct that the reason tanks use a faster weapon in order to get out more Heroic Strikes, which will increase our overall flat threat. However, as a Fury Prot tank using a faster weapon can also increase the chance that you will proc Flurry. This does indeed increase the amount of rage you receive but it is at a random rate. I tested out the different in rage generation a few times between 1.5 weapon speed and 2.8 weapon speed and came up with the 1.5 speed weapon reaching 100 rage 1.80 seconds faster. Of course, this is a very small difference and you have an awesome point! I will totally look at slower weapons more seriously when gearing up and thanks for the comment.
yeah its pretty rough for warriors solo leveling but you can get past some hard levels from 31 to 40 if you jump into some dungeons for a little while =)
This is great, clear and well thought out. I don't know too much about fury-prot, the build you suggested, but I think it is really interesting and could work for leveling. I would definitely not undervalue Deflection over there in the Arms tree. 1% parry is better than +2 defense for sure (for the end of the build)
I tried Arms then switched to Prot after 30. I still need to try Fury. I love the survivability of Prot. I'm going to try that Prot Fury build you suggested.
Felstriker and ironfoe for prot. Switch them in battle if you have great time for spending a global cooldown. They should have proc per minute rule in classic too.
As a current classic player on Whitemane, I can make wep choices a little simpler in real time. In short, 20s-staff from SFK, 30s- Whirlwind Axe from warriors quest, 40s to pre-raid- Ravager, that simple. Here's why: First off, at lower levels, whatever wep has the best stats with Strength and stam at the highest DPS you can find will be your best bet. You should be leveling fast enough that that should be good enough until SFK (lower 20s). Grab the Staff from Odo in SFK, which is typically a spell caster staff, but great DPS on a wep that's free. Remember, as a warrior, your best attack skills work off of Wep damage, so DPS is most important, spell staff or not. That should float you until lv 30. At 30, work to the Whirlwind wep from the warrior quest, whether you get help from a higher lv player or wait till you can solo it, the Whirlwind wep is Legendary. But in most cases its not hard to find someone willing to help with the quest even being a lower lv. Most players in classic either have rolled a warrior or at least know of the WW wep and how important it is to get that they will help out. I might highly suggest getting the other mats needed for the quest before asking. Players are much more likely to help when all you need to do is Defeat the final boss. But you might get lucky so it never hurts to ask anyway. Look up a guide on the Whirlwind wep quest for mats. After you get the WW wep, Next up is Ravager from SM Armory( mid-late 30s). Ravager will make you a boss in instances all the way until grinding for pre raiding Bis, So mid 50s. Ravager: Chance on hit: You attack all nearby enemies for 9 sec causing weapon damage plus an additional 5 every 3 sec. Im lv 47 now and still do Top DPS in ZF unless a higher lv warrior with Rav is in the group. Melee Cleave groups are the fastest way to level from the 40 on, and the Rav is the best Item to have for it. There is also an Add on just for the Ravager that yells when you proc the wep. If someone took the time to make an Add on just for a wep, that must mean its great right? :D But seriously Ive done ZF after SM Cath from lv 41-Current with only using Ravager, and i still see warriors in the lower 50s using it. Warriors can outdo Mages in AOE using this wep once you get it, so don't sleep on it. I highly recommend, as soon as you can get into SM armory, to grind it out until it drops for you, no matter how long it takes. Subnote: Rav Rotation AOE in Dungeons as currently used - charge as opener, SS, zerker, WW, and cleave until WW is off CD, in the meantime hope Rav procs. if not, and SS is off CD, back to Battle stance to rinse and repeat.
A mistake like that shouldn't even be possible if you have played a warrior lol. Its not even a slip of the tongue, since he is basing an entire build around that misunderstanding.....
westfall is supposed to be from 10-20 ? iam almost done with redrige and iam only now half way to level 21. i even did dead mines. what did i do wrong?
can i go dual wield 45-60? i'm getting tired of supra slow attack speed and having to jump with hamstring too much. plus for some applications i could really deal with more attack speed even at less damge. Or do the crits from 2H matter so much?
What I'm wondering about: If I spec into Fury / Prot for end game dps and tanking, do I carry 2 sets of gear in my bags while raiding? Sometimes DPS warriors end up off tanking. Also what gear would be the priority? Like if you had to choose in a quest reward tanking gear or dps gear edit: also, when it's MS > OS, are you prioritizing fury gear or prot gear??
How heavily would I need to alter some of these builds if I do not intend to "stance-dance"? I may eventually adopt the play style but more likely I will just sit in prot stance to tank or fury stance to dps. I know this will limit what skills I can make use of in combat. Do all of these builds assume I will be weaving in and out of multiple stances?
You don't really need a guide if you aren't going to min max leveling. Just know you are severely gimping yourself, especially in classic, if you dont stance dance.
So you can pop Death Wish while feared to break it. However, you will not be able to remove Death Wish as it is a debuff in classic rather than a buff that can be right-click cancelled.
Hey great video, 2 things... first one where can i get these images??? And the second is, i noticed most of the bis are not plate, arent other players gonna be mad or point you as a ninja for rolling for these items In dungeons??
As a DPS warrior most groups that invite you expect you to desire good items from leather to plate. One reason why not so many get invited =( Also, all of the images can be found in the discord.
No mention of Edgemaster's Handguards? If you're not a human or orc they're probably the best gloves for your entire playthrough due to 7 weapon skill eliminating almost the entire penalty of Glancing Blows. It also gives a little extra hit and crit from weapon skill as well. They sim even better than Gauntlets of Annihilation for non humans/orcs for instance. Absolutely insane cost as they're a world drop epic though.
Hi.. I am late to this vid but I am new to the world of classic WoW and warrior... is there a way to get those graphics of the items and stuff you have in the video? Having those to be able to look at easily as a reference would be extremely helpful. Thank you so much for this video, this is one of the most helpful warrior videos about classic warrior I've seen.
Give legacy-wow.com/vanilla-addons/attack-bar-timer/ a shot. I'm not sure if curse will have classic add-ons by the time classic releases but lets hope =) I am going to work on a useful add-ons for classic video very soon too with the stress-test coming up.
Anyone saying take anger management earlier, sure. If you plan on leveling 1 to 60 as arms. Ideally though you will level fury until level 40 and then switch to arms spec for MS. in which case you can take anger management at 40 or 41 if you put points into improved hamstring and then obviously 5/5 cruelty etc.
Are you talking about when I was using the dual-wielding setup? Because I was just demonstrating that it is possible to mix in hamstring kiting into a regular clear while using any weapon type. But I do state and show that hamstring kiting is meant to be done with a slow 2-handed weapon in the video.
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since im gonna level in a group of 5 with friends i think I wanna try fury-prot you pathed in 10:35 because Im going to be the tank of our group. One thing i didnt understand though since im completly new to classic, does this use a one handed weapon with a shield or dualwield? Because you said something along the lines that it justifies dualwield. But then does it even make sense to take improved shield block if you dont even wear a shield? Thanks for you video though!
Also, when getting to my whirlwind weapon choice, what would you recommend to take in my situation? I've heard Whirlwind axe is BiS for the rest of your leveling experience but i dont know if it makes sense to take it when going for a group-play oriented warrior that has to occasionally tank in dungeons
I plan on making a video going in depth on the fury prot system I am working on. But yes to answer your question you would use dualwield and switch to shield when you need to block or are taking a lot of damage. I think in your situation you might want to take a one hander from the quest but I am going to take the axe on my orc.
for the cruelty talent, when it says your increases your chance to get a critical strike with melee weapons by 5 percent, does that increased crit chance apply to auto attacks or is it only for ability based attacks such as overpower / mortal strike / bloodthirst?
@@Grimprospect another question, for bloodthirst, when it says it does damage based off 45 percent of your attack power, does it also include the amount of ranged attack power you have or is it strictly from the attack power you get from strength. reason being is because i am trying to do all agility gear, but if i'd do that, then i'd have no melee attack power ( except from battle shout ), but that's situational and i may not have it up in certain periods of battles of fights in case i forget to use it or what not. would that mean by bloodthirst would do no damage if it only scales of melee attack power or attack power bonuses from gear, and the only reason i'd use it is to get the heal benefit it gives from the next 5 successful attacks?
@@idin03 Bloodthirst will scale off your melee attack power only. However, agility is still useful for warriors as it gives us crit and dodge. And don't forget about your base strength you will have by the time you unlock bloodthirst at level 40 as a minimum, since warriors get 2 melee attack power per point of strength. Hope that helps =D
@@Grimprospect yeh i know about agility giving crit, dodge and more armor, it may be difficult doing my fury build, since all of my pieces will be agility based ( mostly from mail ), although a few rare plate ones with agility too. i would have to rely on having battle shout active at all times. i would most certainly go 5/5 booming voice and 5/5 for improved battle shout. this also brings on another question. do you know if deep wounds talent scales off attack power, or is it only basing it off what the weapon itself? for example, if one weapon says 30.00 damage per second on the weapon itself, will deep wounds only do 60 percent of that damage?
@@idin03 As far as I know Deep Wounds will only scale off your melee weapon's average damage without taking into account Battle Shout but since you are trying to stack agility should give you a lot of opportunities to proc Deep Wounds. Also, if you are considering using a 2-handed weapon you could get more damage out of Deep Wounds. I'm not sure what you are trying to do with this build but there could be something to be said for 2-handed Fury build with your hyper-focus on agility. But this is one reason why I love classic so much because it opens up for creative things such as this. =D
It seems to depend a lot on mob hitboxes too. A medium-sized humanoid or smaller feels far easier to hamstring kite than a target larger than the player.
Testing out my Orc Warrior Route Today: www.twitch.tv/grimprospect
30 min CD blizzard must be smithing some hard stuff :D indalamar idiot i bet he would enever win any duel even on beta pre warrior ahrd nerf
can you make a new upgrade for the talents for tbc warrior i'm now level 23
@@iggyvdh3814 I'd recommend using this to get started. www.icy-veins.com/tbc-classic/warrior-leveling-guide
IMO Anger management should be taken ASAP. In classic it has the hidden benefit of generating passive rage while in combat.
The effort you put in to this guide really shows! Well done!
your subcount will 100% multiply if you put out more high quality videos like this. great job, keep it up!
Thanks for the guide! Rolling Warrior in classic now. Really helpful as someone who has never played WoW before.
These are the best one-stop shop for the quick and dirty on classes. Please make these for more classes!
Great Video! Love the detail you put into the BiS Lists. Keep them coming!!
the part where u talk about the different tank speccs is awesome content - keep it up! thumb up
You earned your self a scribe bro keep these in depth guides coming I love it
Crazy to see the amount of views on this video, compared to you're other random videos. You deserve every view man great guide.
Nj! This was really helpful. Thanks for all your hard work!
Great video, thank you for all the effort put into it!
Awesome guide, thanks for your time creating it.
Brilliant guide I must say, lot's of information simplified to follow easy guides! :)
That video brought me so much nostalgia. I think I might return to classic when it releases....
Really good content, keep the warrior videos coming!
One thing of note on the Arms spec for leveling. If you plan on copying his build, I highly, highly advise getting Anger Management asap rather than the last point before MS. The benefits of the additional rage will far outweigh the benefits of say an earlier 1% in 2h weapon damage. The reduce rage decay outside of combat and increased rage gen. during combat will be far more beneficial to you while leveling.
Totally right brother! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect People who hate on the talent probably don't understand the fact that the tooltip is very bad, I would get anger management right away personally
@@Grimprospect i wonder why you dont take improved heroic strike and improved charge while leveling as arms.. Is it also normal that my overpower ability doesnt proc so much? Is there a way to force the enemy to block more so i can 'spam' overpower..
@@Ontspandude You can only overpower after an enemy dodges unfortunately.
@@Ontspandude heroic strike becomes semi dead weight once you pick up MS and WW
Essentially you would only use heroic strike if you have a *surplus* of rage
Well this is a video i was looking for thanks man i feel now much more ready for classic and good to know that the sit crit thing isn't in classic
Nice video man. Looking forward to some more content from you.
Go straight for anger management, dont wait.. you should always get it at 20.
Great guide, well done!
Excellent craftsmanship.
This is awesome. Great video.
You did a really good video m8. Thanks for this
Can tell a lot of time went into this, very helpful! Keep it up!
As a Fury warrior who cleared NAXX in LB and Northdale I have to say your video is clear and informative and your efforts are appreciated. Keep it up and u will earn more subs.
Excellent video!
Thank you ! such an awesome guide
Wow man. Thanks so much. Going to track down all this gear.
Awesome guide, subbed
great vid man! keep going!
Very informational, thank you!
I know this is old but this video is really high quality.
Great guide !
Great video, coming from a vanilla vet, and 4 year private server vet!
Curious - after 4 years on a p-server, how far were you able to get in the game? I've always wondered how long it might take to theoretically go from nothing to full Naxx BIS.
Sick video dude. Thanks you
thnx for this amazing guide helps alot also hamstring method with a two hander is crazy
Great video! :D
A wonderful guide, big thumb! :)
Dude what, You only have 394 subscribers?
You have potential with these kind of videos.
Love your video!
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Awesome guid!!!!❤
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Thank a lot for this video ;) You 're right, doing a google doc is a good idea
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A few opinions; Warrior Kinship is not available in Phase 1. Definetly get the lvl 20 Chest (and KEEP it) - You can use it later in raids, pre-pull in combination with a Rage Potion and start the fight with 100 Rage - just make sure to switch back to your current chestpiece again once the fight is about to start. This is especially useful for Tanks. Thanks for the great Video, thumbs up!
Yeah sadly none of the level 50 class quests are in phase 1. At the time it was unclear as to the inclusion of those quests but now that classic is out we can all be sad together. And yes the chest is an awesome pre-pull option =). I'll be using it tonight before Ragnaros. Thanks for the comment!
earned a sub homie.
Nice video.
One thing i noticed when playing the real game. Is hamstring kiting is significantly less effective and sometimes a negative. With this leeway mechanic the enemy range is much farther then I ever experienced on private servers. I find myself constantly unable to get out of range before my swing timer finishes and if i go that extra half second to get out of range my swing timer will probably finish but i'll get hit 1 last time. Then any time i waste out of range just finishes the enemy's swing timer basically giving them 1 extra attack they wouldn't normally have. As hamstring got better it started to work but I've basically abandoned it.
Totally... the mobs hit you from 12 miles away it's ridiculous
Yeah melee enemies have ranged reach. Insane
Gonna be playing mage when classic comes out but this was good info! Thank you!
Thanks you
damn thorough
Thanks wonderfulllll video
Revisiting this after hitting level 60 on my warrior main. I am now raid geared and will be clearing AQ40 on release with my guild. Thanks for the guide my man, really helped me out!
Fury tank is nice once you get some gear going. Towards the end of classic, I was able to tank MC in almost full purple battle gear, keeping only some choice pieces with +defense, with no adverse effects. Killing speed increased tremendously.
19:41 Mark of Tyranny is not from the Onyxia Attunement Quest. It's a reward from the quest "General Drakkisath's Demise" and it is higly recommendable to choose "Blackhand's Breadth
" as a reward. Reason is that you can easily get "Vigilance Charm" (2% dodge) from Immol'thar in Dire Maul.
In my oppinion "Blackhand's Breadth
" and "Vigilance Charm" is the best pre bis trinket combination. One for threat generation and one for damage mitigation.
I saved it. I had a lot of the gear mentioned in vanilla. Good times. ty
nice
Great video! do mages next!
Huge mistake waiting to take anger management
Totally right! If leveling with points into the Arms tree I would definitely recommend putting a point into Anger Management sooner. I was hedging my bets after seeing a lot of hate for Anger Management online, so I decided to mention it later in the build. Then I forgot to mention in the video that I would take it earlier. Better script writing for me in the future. =D But I am glad to see people love this talent as much as I do and thanks for the feedback!
@@Grimprospect Please keep in mind that the talent decreases rage decay while Out of Combat _BY_ providing 1 rage per 3 seconds, it's not in addition to the 30% reduction.
Here's a more elaborate explanation; www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/aeln9t/anger_management/edsrbpr/
@@OliverSnith it also generates rage while in combat not a significant amount but you know lol
I'm personally not taking it because I legit need that point for other stuff and can manage rage more than well enough
It's a common misconception that a quicker weapon will allow you to generate more rage. The reason you use a quick weapon as a tank, is so that if you are tanking a boss and getting hit hard, thus always being rage capped, you'll be able to use heroic strike more and thereby generating more threat. For a fresh 60, and even most of molten core (especially as an off-tank), all that matters is stats. Thrash Blade could potentially be a very good tanking weapon to start off with.
A quick weapon generates the same amount of rage as a slow weapon. Made up example: Weapon with 1.0 speed, Weapon with 2.0 speed - same stats, same DPS - will generate the same amount of rage over 1 minute.
And now that I've watched it all: Diamond flask can not "hold you over" for some time. It will likely follow you all the way till Naxx, and the beginning of it, unless you pool all your DKP for trinkets. 75 str is 150 AP. Any fight that last less than 1½ minute, or fights where there's a burn phase, this outshines most early trinkets. 75str vs 2% crit (Blackhand's)? Yep, 75 str. Ragnaros, Vael, Cthun, viscidus, you name it. Plenty of fights, even in dungeons, calls for DPS at certain points in the fight. What a good warrior need to do is trinket swap. Even carrying around a Ramstein's Lightning Bolts can be helpfull. 10-20 thrash mob pull @ 200 damage each? That's a lot. You just need to swap preemptively, be ready and aware. If you forget to swap back though, then you should stick to wearing the same 2 static trinkets.
Same thing with fast weapons/rage goes for fury warriors. Fast weapons in off-hand does not generate more rage. The ONLY reason to use a fast weapon in off-hand is for dense sharpening stone, and that's not even that big of a deal, certainly not to hold back from upgrading a fast blue to something like a brutality blade or deathbringer in off-hand. "On a 2.8 speed weapon, Dense Sharpening Stone is worth almost 40 AP, with 1.9 speed it's 58 AP" - quote from someone who did the math. Off-hands are for stats. Even the main-hand only really needs to be slow for heroic strike and whirlwind, and in pre-raid gear you don't get to use those that often. Use the best weapons you can get your hands on, statwise, don't worry about speed.
Other than those things, good guide! Really like how you included a lot of alternatives and easy-to-get. The term BiS, though meaning Best in Slot, really hinders people's progression. Go for realistic gear, get lucky, get the second or third best, use your time to get consumables or have fun instead. I liked it.
Thank you for the in-depth feedback! You are totally correct that the reason tanks use a faster weapon in order to get out more Heroic Strikes, which will increase our overall flat threat. However, as a Fury Prot tank using a faster weapon can also increase the chance that you will proc Flurry. This does indeed increase the amount of rage you receive but it is at a random rate. I tested out the different in rage generation a few times between 1.5 weapon speed and 2.8 weapon speed and came up with the 1.5 speed weapon reaching 100 rage 1.80 seconds faster. Of course, this is a very small difference and you have an awesome point! I will totally look at slower weapons more seriously when gearing up and thanks for the comment.
@@danielandersen2759 Thanks!
Hi very good video! I’m planning on playing a warrior in classic, how can i get all those images ?
dude my war s only lvl 28 at 2days played, so hard to lvl up, but at least I got first aid and blacksmithing up a little :D Gl to all of you
yeah its pretty rough for warriors solo leveling but you can get past some hard levels from 31 to 40 if you jump into some dungeons for a little while =)
This is great, clear and well thought out. I don't know too much about fury-prot, the build you suggested, but I think it is really interesting and could work for leveling. I would definitely not undervalue Deflection over there in the Arms tree. 1% parry is better than +2 defense for sure (for the end of the build)
I tried Arms then switched to Prot after 30. I still need to try Fury. I love the survivability of Prot. I'm going to try that Prot Fury build you suggested.
You will love fury prot! It's very dynamic.
Felstriker and ironfoe for prot. Switch them in battle if you have great time for spending a global cooldown. They should have proc per minute rule in classic too.
4:22 would’ve died by 1 more hit/crit/missed attack while talking that you don’t need to heal much, good hc advice 😅
As a current classic player on Whitemane, I can make wep choices a little simpler in real time. In short, 20s-staff from SFK, 30s- Whirlwind Axe from warriors quest, 40s to pre-raid- Ravager, that simple. Here's why:
First off, at lower levels, whatever wep has the best stats with Strength and stam at the highest DPS you can find will be your best bet. You should be leveling fast enough that that should be good enough until SFK (lower 20s). Grab the Staff from Odo in SFK, which is typically a spell caster staff, but great DPS on a wep that's free. Remember, as a warrior, your best attack skills work off of Wep damage, so DPS is most important, spell staff or not. That should float you until lv 30. At 30, work to the Whirlwind wep from the warrior quest, whether you get help from a higher lv player or wait till you can solo it, the Whirlwind wep is Legendary. But in most cases its not hard to find someone willing to help with the quest even being a lower lv. Most players in classic either have rolled a warrior or at least know of the WW wep and how important it is to get that they will help out. I might highly suggest getting the other mats needed for the quest before asking. Players are much more likely to help when all you need to do is Defeat the final boss. But you might get lucky so it never hurts to ask anyway. Look up a guide on the Whirlwind wep quest for mats. After you get the WW wep, Next up is Ravager from SM Armory( mid-late 30s). Ravager will make you a boss in instances all the way until grinding for pre raiding Bis, So mid 50s. Ravager: Chance on hit: You attack all nearby enemies for 9 sec causing weapon damage plus an additional 5 every 3 sec. Im lv 47 now and still do Top DPS in ZF unless a higher lv warrior with Rav is in the group. Melee Cleave groups are the fastest way to level from the 40 on, and the Rav is the best Item to have for it. There is also an Add on just for the Ravager that yells when you proc the wep. If someone took the time to make an Add on just for a wep, that must mean its great right? :D But seriously Ive done ZF after SM Cath from lv 41-Current with only using Ravager, and i still see warriors in the lower 50s using it. Warriors can outdo Mages in AOE using this wep once you get it, so don't sleep on it. I highly recommend, as soon as you can get into SM armory, to grind it out until it drops for you, no matter how long it takes.
Subnote: Rav Rotation AOE in Dungeons as currently used - charge as opener, SS, zerker, WW, and cleave until WW is off CD, in the meantime hope Rav procs. if not, and SS is off CD, back to Battle stance to rinse and repeat.
Important mistake tho - you can't Overpower after misses, only if your target dodges
Lol yeah, that's an extremely important mistake.
A mistake like that shouldn't even be possible if you have played a warrior lol. Its not even a slip of the tongue, since he is basing an entire build around that misunderstanding.....
I feel like there's a good chance he made this video entirely off of watching other warrior videos.
8:22 I like it
Hey man great content! The rapid audio cuts are pretty jarring in some sections of the video, though.
You can also tank as arms and just deal more dmg than everyone else in the dungeon :)
westfall is supposed to be from 10-20 ? iam almost done with redrige and iam only now half way to level 21. i even did dead mines. what did i do wrong?
can i go dual wield 45-60? i'm getting tired of supra slow attack speed and having to jump with hamstring too much. plus for some applications i could really deal with more attack speed even at less damge. Or do the crits from 2H matter so much?
Priest next plzzzzz!!!
What I'm wondering about: If I spec into Fury / Prot for end game dps and tanking, do I carry 2 sets of gear in my bags while raiding? Sometimes DPS warriors end up off tanking. Also what gear would be the priority? Like if you had to choose in a quest reward tanking gear or dps gear
edit: also, when it's MS > OS, are you prioritizing fury gear or prot gear??
@14:40 overpower is castable after a dodge, not a miss.
How heavily would I need to alter some of these builds if I do not intend to "stance-dance"?
I may eventually adopt the play style but more likely I will just sit in prot stance to tank or fury stance to dps.
I know this will limit what skills I can make use of in combat. Do all of these builds assume I will be weaving in and out of multiple stances?
You don't really need a guide if you aren't going to min max leveling. Just know you are severely gimping yourself, especially in classic, if you dont stance dance.
How do you break combat effectively without piercing howl?
I'll never know.
First thing to spec into is PH then Arms.
Cruelty is such a good flat talent. since 20agi = 1crit% (also 1 dodge%) That is 100 agi stat right there.
Can you activate death wish then do a cancel of it? So you can us it as a fear break but not get hit with the Andes damage income
So you can pop Death Wish while feared to break it. However, you will not be able to remove Death Wish as it is a debuff in classic rather than a buff that can be right-click cancelled.
Hey great video, 2 things... first one where can i get these images??? And the second is, i noticed most of the bis are not plate, arent other players gonna be mad or point you as a ninja for rolling for these items
In dungeons??
As a DPS warrior most groups that invite you expect you to desire good items from leather to plate. One reason why not so many get invited =( Also, all of the images can be found in the discord.
No mention of Edgemaster's Handguards? If you're not a human or orc they're probably the best gloves for your entire playthrough due to 7 weapon skill eliminating almost the entire penalty of Glancing Blows. It also gives a little extra hit and crit from weapon skill as well. They sim even better than Gauntlets of Annihilation for non humans/orcs for instance.
Absolutely insane cost as they're a world drop epic though.
Hi.. I am late to this vid but I am new to the world of classic WoW and warrior... is there a way to get those graphics of the items and stuff you have in the video? Having those to be able to look at easily as a reference would be extremely helpful. Thank you so much for this video, this is one of the most helpful warrior videos about classic warrior I've seen.
I'm pretty sure I still have them pinned in my discord 😉
What's the addon called that tracks your swingtimer?
Give legacy-wow.com/vanilla-addons/attack-bar-timer/ a shot. I'm not sure if curse will have classic add-ons by the time classic releases but lets hope =) I am going to work on a useful add-ons for classic video very soon too with the stress-test coming up.
Anyone saying take anger management earlier, sure. If you plan on leveling 1 to 60 as arms. Ideally though you will level fury until level 40 and then switch to arms spec for MS. in which case you can take anger management at 40 or 41 if you put points into improved hamstring and then obviously 5/5 cruelty etc.
Been arms my whole life. Aint changing now lol
What’s the add on you’re using for the main hand and enemy attack timer?
WeaponSwingTimer :)
If you want to hamstring kite instead of just face tanking, you really want a slow two-hander.
Are you talking about when I was using the dual-wielding setup? Because I was just demonstrating that it is possible to mix in hamstring kiting into a regular clear while using any weapon type. But I do state and show that hamstring kiting is meant to be done with a slow 2-handed weapon in the video.
what about 2h fury bis weapons
what addon for swing timer
To add to this amazing guide, here is the ending to the quest for the Life Force Dirk: The God Hakkar
Featuring 3 DPS Warriors Druid Tank
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since im gonna level in a group of 5 with friends i think I wanna try fury-prot you pathed in 10:35 because Im going to be the tank of our group. One thing i didnt understand though since im completly new to classic, does this use a one handed weapon with a shield or dualwield? Because you said something along the lines that it justifies dualwield. But then does it even make sense to take improved shield block if you dont even wear a shield?
Thanks for you video though!
Also, when getting to my whirlwind weapon choice, what would you recommend to take in my situation? I've heard Whirlwind axe is BiS for the rest of your leveling experience but i dont know if it makes sense to take it when going for a group-play oriented warrior that has to occasionally tank in dungeons
I plan on making a video going in depth on the fury prot system I am working on. But yes to answer your question you would use dualwield and switch to shield when you need to block or are taking a lot of damage. I think in your situation you might want to take a one hander from the quest but I am going to take the axe on my orc.
@@Grimprospect I'm looking forward to your video! Thanks for answering, much love
for the cruelty talent, when it says your increases your chance to get a critical strike with melee weapons by 5 percent, does that increased crit chance apply to auto attacks or is it only for ability based attacks such as overpower / mortal strike / bloodthirst?
It would be all sources. Its an amazing talent =)
@@Grimprospect another question, for bloodthirst, when it says it does damage based off 45 percent of your attack power, does it also include the amount of ranged attack power you have or is it strictly from the attack power you get from strength. reason being is because i am trying to do all agility gear, but if i'd do that, then i'd have no melee attack power ( except from battle shout ), but that's situational and i may not have it up in certain periods of battles of fights in case i forget to use it or what not. would that mean by bloodthirst would do no damage if it only scales of melee attack power or attack power bonuses from gear, and the only reason i'd use it is to get the heal benefit it gives from the next 5 successful attacks?
@@idin03 Bloodthirst will scale off your melee attack power only. However, agility is still useful for warriors as it gives us crit and dodge. And don't forget about your base strength you will have by the time you unlock bloodthirst at level 40 as a minimum, since warriors get 2 melee attack power per point of strength. Hope that helps =D
@@Grimprospect yeh i know about agility giving crit, dodge and more armor, it may be difficult doing my fury build, since all of my pieces will be agility based ( mostly from mail ), although a few rare plate ones with agility too. i would have to rely on having battle shout active at all times. i would most certainly go 5/5 booming voice and 5/5 for improved battle shout.
this also brings on another question. do you know if deep wounds talent scales off attack power, or is it only basing it off what the weapon itself? for example, if one weapon says 30.00 damage per second on the weapon itself, will deep wounds only do 60 percent of that damage?
@@idin03 As far as I know Deep Wounds will only scale off your melee weapon's average damage without taking into account Battle Shout but since you are trying to stack agility should give you a lot of opportunities to proc Deep Wounds. Also, if you are considering using a 2-handed weapon you could get more damage out of Deep Wounds. I'm not sure what you are trying to do with this build but there could be something to be said for 2-handed Fury build with your hyper-focus on agility. But this is one reason why I love classic so much because it opens up for creative things such as this. =D
Did you play this build on a p-server?
Wanted to try the Fury tank, but do you fight in Battle or Defensive stance?
Defensive stance
the kite method doesn't work, it an delay so the mobs hit me from like 10 bloody meters
They'll still hit you occasionally just not as much
It seems to depend a lot on mob hitboxes too. A medium-sized humanoid or smaller feels far easier to hamstring kite than a target larger than the player.
What’s that add on you use for melee swing timer?
I would like to know this as well.