The funny thing is glock has more recalls then sig. it took glock over a 100 recalls to prefect the platform. Only reason you don’t hear about it is cause glock has been producing the same style of guns for years. The sig p320 and p365 is a newer platform so your gonna have a few things that need to be changed to have a consistent and reliable firearm.. I’m confident with my p365 and I believe sig has ironed out the issues with the earlier generation p365
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems thanks! I like the Macro, but not enough to add it to my collection. That's why I did the Macro grip on my XL slide. I felt like the X and XL were basically the same gun with the same 12 round grip. Making my XL a Macro set them apart big time and honestly think the XL should've had this grip from the get go.
Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience with the gun. The more data the better. I’ve got to try out the magguts mag extensions. Multiple people have told me about them now!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystemsYes! You absolutely need to. They are legit. Only 1 less round than a G19, M&P Compact, CZP10C, etc., but a way more concealed package. No jams, no failures. Just for note, I bought all my magguts kits when I bought all my P365 variants, and changed the mag internals out before I fired the first round so that I could test accuracy, functionality, and reliability all at the same time. All have worked together flawlessly. Best CCW on the market, IMHO
Thank you for the great and honest review. I've own the XL for couple years now and have to admit; as a competition shooter it was difficult me to be accurate at distance and it does takes some practice.
Perfect carry gun for me as I value conceal-ability, comfort, reliability and capacity. The reality is there are some compromises that must be made when you are prioritizing these weapon traits. This is the gun with the best combination IMO.
I used to be on the small gun train and I still carry them sometimes depending on the occasion. But, over time I've found myself moving to slightly larger guns for some of the reasons you highlighted here and discovered that you can still comfortably conceal a larger frame than your typical p365 or similar firearm. I have 3 P365 variations and I have also found their finishes to be subpar.
Makes total sense! Smallest guns definitely are easier to carry but shootability has a greater learning curve! And yeah it sucks that of all things the surface finish is one of the week points! Thanks for watching!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems I agree. I run this outside the waist in a leather forward cant holster. Pretty easy and fast, buy I really would love to upgrade to the Spectre Comp if it wasnt so much money. I cant hide a 17 round mag how I carry so the Macro isnt looking like an option either. I'm going to see if I can just wait and get a Macro style slide with the necessary grip module. I like the OG Sig trigger shoe a lot for how I shoot. Guys are really raving about how much better the compensators are to shoot on those new ones, but the closest range doesn't have an rentals yet. I cant rely on my buddies, because they're all looking to me when they're needing a recommendation, and most of them have yet to experience why spending a little more can be very valuable. This does not include the Spectre Comp though. For that money you could almost buy 3 of these. Even this one is too much for a lot of people.
Thorough review, and excellent across the board shooting demo, appreciated 👍🏼 Proving itself to be a very worthy EDC. I previously owned one when they first came out. I also initially found drawing under duress/training requires alot of practice. Additionally, the slide heats up fast at the range, of course that depends on your shooting practice. Can't lie, it's reliable, accurate and very concealable. One question, wear and tear? You mentioned rust and surface finish issues. Any mechanical issues?
Glad you liked the review! I’ve had no mechanical issues at all. No parts breaking or malfunctioning or anything like that! The only thing has been the front sight accumulating rust and a bit of surface rust on the mags. Some oil and a light rub with steel wool does the trick.
Thanks! For me it’s a better to have and not need than to need and not have sort of scenario when it comes to lights. I recently upgraded and put a TLR7 Sub on there and it’s a great light! My buddy and I do a fair bit of night shooting so I actually do use the light. Plus this is also my backup gun as a Police Officer, and I carried it when I worked graveyard shift so having a light was critical. But yeah man to each their own! If you don’t actually use it, then no need to add it on! Thanks for watching!
I'm sticking to the p365 because of the size. Sure, the XL, etc. might shoot a little better for some but the major factor for me is the easier to conceal factor. Otherwise, I'll take a glock 26/27 over the larger Sigs.
Great review with good guidance to current owners and potential buyers. I've owned my 4 years and love it still. I have smaller hands so it fits me perfectly although I don't run drills like you are. What are you using for oil and are you applying oil all over the gun and magazines? I've done a light coating over everything and it still looks new.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the review! As for oil Ive used CLP and REM oil, basically whichever I have on hand at the time. I don’t really put coats on the mags but it isn’t a bad idea!
Interesting! Tulammo in my experience is hit or miss with certain guns! I guess in your case it would still work as range ammo, and when I was on a really tight budget and could only shoot the low quality stuff that tended to malfunction a lot, I used it as a training opportunity to practice malfunction drills! Always a way to turn a negative into a positive! Thanks for watching!
COPS USE THEM AS OFF-DUTY, AND BACKUP, SO 15 YARDS IS THE MAX,25 YARDS FOR YOUR DUTY GUN.25 IS STATE REQUIRED TO CARRY ON OR OFF DUTY, AND 15 FOR A GUN LIKE THE GLOCK 26 AND P365.
I mean yeah that’s the standard, but the standard is pretty low. I regularly practice at 50-75yds with both Duty gun and Backup gun. At my department, we’re allowed to do a full duty gun qualification with the backup gun, meaning shots out to 25yds. 15 yards is the standard, but that standard is low and we need to be regularly practicing at 25 and beyond with our secondary/backup.
No I haven’t replaced that yet. Haven’t seen a need to. I understand why though, each gun (including other sig products and Glock products) have armorers manuals that show parts swap intervals so I’m sure that’s their interval for it just to ensure top function. So maybe I should change it per that interval, but I haven’t seen any malfunction or sluggish behavior as a result
I’ve been tempted to get one of the newer models, being the XL or the X Macro, but honestly I love this little thing so much! Couldn’t agree with you more!
👍 I think I'm on my 6th p365 ? Nothing wrong with any of them, one had the front sight come off. I own hk, smith, cz, walther, glock, and others. None of the can do everything the 365 can. It's so light and concealable, yet you can pop a 17rd mag in it. Or buy the parts to make it an xmacro.. or swap out the grip frame for a metal one. It's accurate, reliable, has good sights. There is nothing on the market like it, it's the AR15 of ccw's
never get a light that extends below the trigger guard. If you do, the holster will be made to fit the light, not the pistol and it will wobble, have no retention, and you will eventually buy another light thus wasting your $.
Well at the time there were no other options. TLR-6 was all there was when I bought it and nobody had made aftermarket rails yet. To each their own! Thanks for watching!
HIT YOUR TARGET, YOU WON'T NEED TO RELOAD. MOST SHOTS WILL BE AT 5=7 FEET. I learned in the police academy, COVER OR CONCEALMENT especially when reloading.
I will stick with my original P365. Not any harder to draw for me than a sub compact. You have to break grip to reload on lots of sub compacts also. My hands are medium and never had a slide catch problem. I don't shoot thumbs forward is why. I shoot thumb over thumb. The trigger is smooth and fine for me with a decent break but still sloppy like all striker pistols. Its also a close range pistol so it doesn't need a match grade trigger. If I need to take longer shots then I would carry a bigger pistol with a better trigger and longer sight radius but that would defeat the concealable purpose and close range purpose of the P365. Really not enough justification in the cons to "upgrade" for me.
Thanks for commenting! I like my standard P365 as well. Fair point about taking longer shots, although it’s still good to train longer distance shooting with a subcompact. Never know how far your engagement is gonna be. A Costco for example from one end to another could easily be a 75+ yd shot if somebody starts cracking rounds off at others. But absolutely, the full size gun would be much better suited for it.
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems True its always good to practice and prepare for the worst if you have the means. Most folks might not have access to 100 yard ranges. More like 25 yard indoor ranges. Chances are very high that there will be bystanders in the way and such a shot would not be possible given the consequences of collateral damage. It makes more sense to find concealment and cover and close the distance to the target threat outflanking the target if possible.
@@MrJeronlewis Yeah I definitely remember that. I took a chance when I bought the gun, because Sig stated that they had fixed the issue but some people stated otherwise. So I just went for it to test it myself. So far so good!
This gun is an ugly piece of crap like sigs have been since the early 2000’s. My opinion about it being ugly but when Ron Cohen (same guy that ruined kimber) took over production he split the factory so that one part makes military/police contract guns and the other half of the factory makes civilian guns. Guess which are made better xD
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The funny thing is glock has more recalls then sig. it took glock over a 100 recalls to prefect the platform. Only reason you don’t hear about it is cause glock has been producing the same style of guns for years. The sig p320 and p365 is a newer platform so your gonna have a few things that need to be changed to have a consistent and reliable firearm.. I’m confident with my p365 and I believe sig has ironed out the issues with the earlier generation p365
Interesting. I didn’t know that, I’ll have to look into it! Thanks for commenting!
Sig has perfected the P365 series.
Bought mine in January 22 & it’s been rock solid
Glad you like yours! Thanks for watching!
Between my wife and I, we have a P365, P365X, and a P365XL with a Macro grip. Haven't had any issues with any of them. Great guns.
Wow, nice collection! Glad you like them as much as I do! Thanks for watching!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems thanks! I like the Macro, but not enough to add it to my collection. That's why I did the Macro grip on my XL slide. I felt like the X and XL were basically the same gun with the same 12 round grip. Making my XL a Macro set them apart big time and honestly think the XL should've had this grip from the get go.
@@CMH_1975 Awesome! I’ve got to try the macro some time! Haven’t shot it yet but have held it a few times
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems I haven't shot the Macro with the comp slide, but I love the XL with the Macro grip.
I have 2 standard versions, 1 x version, and 1 xl version. All are stock except some magguts +2 kits in some of the mags. Zero issues
Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience with the gun. The more data the better. I’ve got to try out the magguts mag extensions. Multiple people have told me about them now!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystemsYes! You absolutely need to. They are legit. Only 1 less round than a G19, M&P Compact, CZP10C, etc., but a way more concealed package. No jams, no failures. Just for note, I bought all my magguts kits when I bought all my P365 variants, and changed the mag internals out before I fired the first round so that I could test accuracy, functionality, and reliability all at the same time. All have worked together flawlessly. Best CCW on the market, IMHO
I’m in CA, and the P365 X Macro Comp is going to be available in about a month; I may go with that one. Thanks for the recommendation.
Nice! Hope you like it!
Thank you for the great and honest review. I've own the XL for couple years now and have to admit; as a competition shooter it was difficult me to be accurate at distance and it does takes some practice.
Oh yeah man definitely a challenge! When I found out that there were competition divisions for micro compacts like this I was stunned!
Perfect carry gun for me as I value conceal-ability, comfort, reliability and capacity. The reality is there are some compromises that must be made when you are prioritizing these weapon traits. This is the gun with the best combination IMO.
Yeah there’s always a compromise to be made! Thanks for watching!
You're stippling job "with a wood burner" is Damned good!!!
Well thanks! Just takes a bit of patience is all👍
I used to be on the small gun train and I still carry them sometimes depending on the occasion. But, over time I've found myself moving to slightly larger guns for some of the reasons you highlighted here and discovered that you can still comfortably conceal a larger frame than your typical p365 or similar firearm. I have 3 P365 variations and I have also found their finishes to be subpar.
Makes total sense! Smallest guns definitely are easier to carry but shootability has a greater learning curve! And yeah it sucks that of all things the surface finish is one of the week points! Thanks for watching!
Eezox
Nice job with the stippling. Thought it was some expensive wrap at first.
Hadn’t heard of the trex arms holster. Will look into that
Thanks! I have the same stippling on my P320, really helps me especially when my hands get sweaty👍
Trex arms makes great holsters. Also have a lot of good training videos here on TH-cam
Great video I have a P365 Like mine a lot too! AZ can't beat it!
Thanks for checking it out! AZ reigns supreme in my heart!
Looks like my backyard at Lake Pleasant 🤙🏾
Good video !! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great review man thanks!
Thanks for checking it out!
Having a holster with a higher ride height would help with draw speed and consistency. Great video though man!
Noted, good point indeed! Thanks for watching!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems I agree. I run this outside the waist in a leather forward cant holster. Pretty easy and fast, buy I really would love to upgrade to the Spectre Comp if it wasnt so much money. I cant hide a 17 round mag how I carry so the Macro isnt looking like an option either. I'm going to see if I can just wait and get a Macro style slide with the necessary grip module. I like the OG Sig trigger shoe a lot for how I shoot. Guys are really raving about how much better the compensators are to shoot on those new ones, but the closest range doesn't have an rentals yet. I cant rely on my buddies, because they're all looking to me when they're needing a recommendation, and most of them have yet to experience why spending a little more can be very valuable. This does not include the Spectre Comp though. For that money you could almost buy 3 of these. Even this one is too much for a lot of people.
Tenicor certum 3 no draw issues even with smaller grip
Thorough review, and excellent across the board shooting demo, appreciated 👍🏼
Proving itself to be a very worthy EDC.
I previously owned one when they first came out. I also initially found drawing under duress/training requires alot of practice.
Additionally, the slide heats up fast at the range, of course that depends on your shooting practice.
Can't lie, it's reliable, accurate and very concealable.
One question, wear and tear?
You mentioned rust and surface finish issues. Any mechanical issues?
Glad you liked the review! I’ve had no mechanical issues at all. No parts breaking or malfunctioning or anything like that! The only thing has been the front sight accumulating rust and a bit of surface rust on the mags. Some oil and a light rub with steel wool does the trick.
I wish to try one of these... till than, I will stick to my G43x
That’s a good option too! Thanks for watching!
Great video
Thanks for watching!
Just sold mine after 2years. Super reliable, but went back to my jframe and bought a full size 9mm CanikSfx. Great gun, just not for me.
Hey, I get that! The best gun to have is the best one for you! I don’t have any experience with Canik handguns, but I’ve heard good things!
Canik is open striker, would not carry. If water gets in striker gun is dead until it gets cleaned
@@heaterfamilyI think my canik tp9sfx missed that memo
Nice gun and you’re right in what was said in this video. How often do you actually use that light? If not often, why bother adding it on.
Thanks! For me it’s a better to have and not need than to need and not have sort of scenario when it comes to lights. I recently upgraded and put a TLR7 Sub on there and it’s a great light! My buddy and I do a fair bit of night shooting so I actually do use the light. Plus this is also my backup gun as a Police Officer, and I carried it when I worked graveyard shift so having a light was critical. But yeah man to each their own! If you don’t actually use it, then no need to add it on! Thanks for watching!
Understood, thanks for sharing and stay safe.👍🏽
I'm sticking to the p365 because of the size. Sure, the XL, etc. might shoot a little better for some but the major factor for me is the easier to conceal factor. Otherwise, I'll take a glock 26/27 over the larger Sigs.
Yup, a very viable consideration indeed! I think that’s a very fair assessment! Thanks for watching
Great review with good guidance to current owners and potential buyers.
I've owned my 4 years and love it still. I have smaller hands so it fits me perfectly although I don't run drills like you are.
What are you using for oil and are you applying oil all over the gun and magazines? I've done a light coating over everything and it still looks new.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the review! As for oil Ive used CLP and REM oil, basically whichever I have on hand at the time. I don’t really put coats on the mags but it isn’t a bad idea!
I love my P365XL. ONLY issue I've had is with using Tulammo steel 1-2 round per 50/rd box might ftf
Interesting! Tulammo in my experience is hit or miss with certain guns! I guess in your case it would still work as range ammo, and when I was on a really tight budget and could only shoot the low quality stuff that tended to malfunction a lot, I used it as a training opportunity to practice malfunction drills! Always a way to turn a negative into a positive! Thanks for watching!
COPS USE THEM AS OFF-DUTY, AND BACKUP, SO 15 YARDS IS THE MAX,25 YARDS FOR YOUR DUTY GUN.25 IS STATE REQUIRED TO CARRY ON OR OFF DUTY, AND 15 FOR A GUN LIKE THE GLOCK 26 AND P365.
I mean yeah that’s the standard, but the standard is pretty low. I regularly practice at 50-75yds with both Duty gun and Backup gun. At my department, we’re allowed to do a full duty gun qualification with the backup gun, meaning shots out to 25yds. 15 yards is the standard, but that standard is low and we need to be regularly practicing at 25 and beyond with our secondary/backup.
Im sorry man you might have covered this but did u have to replace the recoil spring at all? SIG says that u have to every 2,500 rounds
No I haven’t replaced that yet. Haven’t seen a need to. I understand why though, each gun (including other sig products and Glock products) have armorers manuals that show parts swap intervals so I’m sure that’s their interval for it just to ensure top function. So maybe I should change it per that interval, but I haven’t seen any malfunction or sluggish behavior as a result
The sig p365 is the greatest ccw ever made.
There is nothing on the market like it.
It's the AR 15 of the ccw world.
I’ve been tempted to get one of the newer models, being the XL or the X Macro, but honestly I love this little thing so much! Couldn’t agree with you more!
👍 I think I'm on my 6th p365 ? Nothing wrong with any of them, one had the front sight come off.
I own hk, smith, cz, walther, glock, and others. None of the can do everything the 365 can. It's so light and concealable, yet you can pop a 17rd mag in it. Or buy the parts to make it an xmacro.. or swap out the grip frame for a metal one.
It's accurate, reliable, has good sights. There is nothing on the market like it, it's the AR15 of ccw's
never get a light that extends below the trigger guard. If you do, the holster will be made to fit the light, not the pistol and it will wobble, have no retention, and you will eventually buy another light thus wasting your $.
Well at the time there were no other options. TLR-6 was all there was when I bought it and nobody had made aftermarket rails yet. To each their own! Thanks for watching!
HIT YOUR TARGET, YOU WON'T NEED TO RELOAD. MOST SHOTS WILL BE AT 5=7 FEET. I learned in the police academy, COVER OR CONCEALMENT especially when reloading.
Yup absolutely
I will stick with my original P365. Not any harder to draw for me than a sub compact. You have to break grip to reload on lots of sub compacts also. My hands are medium and never had a slide catch problem. I don't shoot thumbs forward is why. I shoot thumb over thumb. The trigger is smooth and fine for me with a decent break but still sloppy like all striker pistols. Its also a close range pistol so it doesn't need a match grade trigger. If I need to take longer shots then I would carry a bigger pistol with a better trigger and longer sight radius but that would defeat the concealable purpose and close range purpose of the P365. Really not enough justification in the cons to "upgrade" for me.
Thanks for commenting! I like my standard P365 as well. Fair point about taking longer shots, although it’s still good to train longer distance shooting with a subcompact. Never know how far your engagement is gonna be. A Costco for example from one end to another could easily be a 75+ yd shot if somebody starts cracking rounds off at others. But absolutely, the full size gun would be much better suited for it.
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems True its always good to practice and prepare for the worst if you have the means. Most folks might not have access to 100 yard ranges. More like 25 yard indoor ranges. Chances are very high that there will be bystanders in the way and such a shot would not be possible given the consequences of collateral damage. It makes more sense to find concealment and cover and close the distance to the target threat outflanking the target if possible.
@@rbm6184 Also true. Both scenarios and actions are equally possible👍
How many rounds approximately do you think you've fired in 4 years through it?
I’d say safely a bit over 5,000.
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems that's a great number considering so many people had problems with their strikers when they first came out.
@@MrJeronlewis Yeah I definitely remember that. I took a chance when I bought the gun, because Sig stated that they had fixed the issue but some people stated otherwise. So I just went for it to test it myself. So far so good!
What mag extension is that on the 12 round?
IMT Nebraska 12 Round Base
What base plate are you running ?
IMT Nebraska baseplate!
where I buy that belt please
Dynamis Alliance
USE COVER. SO WHAT THE SLIDE DIDN'T LOCK BACK. IF IT DOESN'T SHOOT YOU EMPTY.
Yup got your point
I’ll stick with my G26
Hey, that’s a great choice too!
If someone is shooting a micro compact at 50 yards they got a whole other world of issues besides accuracy.
Yeah, definitely a bad day. But it can be done!
It's a cookie or a cracker trigger break.
Never heard it put like that!👍
+++👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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This gun is an ugly piece of crap like sigs have been since the early 2000’s. My opinion about it being ugly but when Ron Cohen (same guy that ruined kimber) took over production he split the factory so that one part makes military/police contract guns and the other half of the factory makes civilian guns. Guess which are made better xD
To each their own. Mines been excellent, and I think it looks pretty cool👍
I bet you think Biden is doing a great job too don't you demmy?