Some Sports Card Purchases Mean More Than Others!!
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- There's always so much talk about the biggest names in the hobby: Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Cobb, Aaron, Gehrig, and the other biggest names. But, MOST of us in the hobby aren't buying big time cards of all time greats. Most of us are regular people with regular budgets, buying cards that are special for a different reasons: their meaning. In this episode, I ask all of you in MidLife Nation who you collect...and why. The response was overwhelming and the reasons were phenomenal. Nostalgia is real and many of us have a story or a memory that has sparked a reason to collect a player off the radar of others.
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I collect Cuban players like Camilo Pascual and many others that aren’t big stars. Great video Graig.
Great conversation, Graig! Thanks for all you do for the cardmunity! I agree there is tension between modern and vintage collectors. I don't think it is a new thing either. I remember certain comments from older dealers and vintage guys when I was a kid about the modern stuff not holding value and vintage being where it's at. A lot of what they were saying back then was right. I didn't care, though. I wanted my Bo Jacksons, Mark McGwire, and Griffeys. Just like the modern collectors of today want their parallel rookie cards and autographs. I think back then those that looked negativity at modern collectors came from a place of concern and caring for the hobby and wanting to ensure it's long term viability. They were concerned just as some of us are now that if people get burned over and over again by over production and cards not holding value they are going to leave the hobby. Whether or not we look at cards as an investment or not it was true in 1987, 1993, and it's true now. I didn't receive that message then but I find myself repeating that message now to a certain extent. Just like the younger collectors of today will be repeating that message 30 years from now if they are still involved in the hobby most likely. I think the message itself is good. I think how we deliver it at times is not and it affects how it's received. The hobby needs everyone involved to maintain long-term viability!
Enjoyed the video Graig. Glad we were able to move off the hofers and acknowledge, at least for the moment all the other players that contributed to our wonderful memories and to history of the game.
'68 Tigers... wonderful choice! My first exposure to the great game. Still have my '68 Yearbook!! 😊
Graig - Great Show. Brought back memories of how Nellie Fox became my favorite player. I invented a baseball dice game any made team sets with my 1956 tops cards.
….I even kept statistics & Nellie was a triple crown winner. Later in life I became CPA…
Outstanding episode. Midlife Nation is filled with thoughtful collectors, and its great when you highlight the folks who have interesting stories behind their personal collections.
Great question this week, Graig! I think the answer to this question is a bit complicated. First, I think the tension is actually better described as being between vintage and ultra-modern collectors. I do vintage as well as 90s/early-2000s, and I don't really get the sense that there is much tension between vintage collectors and, say, guys who collect Barry Sanders or Derrick Jeter. I think the tension comes in with collectors who focus on cards from the 2010s and 2020s. I think the perception a lot of vintage collectors have is that guys who focus on ultra-modern cards don't really love the hobby, and are just in it to flip and make a few bucks. I do think there is some truth to that perception, but I think there are more exceptions than we think. I think there are plenty of younger collectors who legitimately enjoy collecting Josh Allen, Ohtani, Mahomes, etc because they like these players and want to have their cards. I think the breaker scene and some investor-type content creators give us the impression that the only reason to buy modern cards is to make money. I don't think thats true for all ultra-modern collectors, but I think us vintage guys often think it is, thus causing tension. On the other side, alot of modern collectors I talk to feel vintage guys are out of touch, and a bit arrogant. It seems that some of the ultra-modern crowd equates all of us to the overpriced dealer who just takes up space at the national, and acts like we're all lucky to view his museum. Again, are their vintage collectors who act this way? Yes. Is it the majority? No way. So I guess after all that the tension can be summed up pretty simply: both vintage and ultra-modern collectors are taking stereotypes that are true of a segment of the community, and applying them to broadly. That's my two cents anyway.
I mostly collect the cards of athletes that were born on February 17th. On another note, Orel Hershiser was a pretty solid guy. Rumor is, when he was in Cleveland, anytime a service technician or kid or anybody would show up to his home, he had a bowl of baseballs in his living room and he would grab one and sign it and give it to you.
My first year buying cards was 1978 and as a Cubs fan the cards I most wanted were Buckner, Kingman and Sutter. Never pulled Kingman but spent a lot of quarters. Opened up a 1978 pack a couple of years ago and was beaming to pull a Bruce Sutter. Love your Yankees enthusiasm.
What a great episode. Right up my alley. I long for the days when we were rubber banding the teams together as we opened packs and loving just getting the guys we liked out of packs. Wonderful simple days. My favorite times. But then again, I didn’t have friends like you back then. Maybe these days can be just as good if we all collect how we enjoy and tune out all the noise. 😊
As far as the rivalry between modern and vintage collectors, it is there. I think most of the hate comes from the vintage side toward the modern guys and making fun of them, etc. Luckily, a lot of my friends in the hobby do both, so there is no tension there. There might be some lack of respect from the younger crowd toward the older collectors, but I just don’t hear about that as much as the older vintage guys making fun of the younger, modern collectors. I wish everyone would just get along and respect each other’s collecting styles, and realize that people are different, and no two collections are the same either. I think we need it all to have a healthy and fun hobby.
As far as positives with the tension, I think, if some of the younger crowd would listen a little bit and learn more about the history of the game, that could be a positive. And from the other end, I think the vintage only collectors can realize that there are some really cool and enjoyable cards to collect that aren’t pre-1980.
My January pick up was a 1966 Cookie Rojas rub off. I collect all of his cards and oddballs. Really impressed that he intentionally played all positions and was a solid everyday player and later coach. He managed briefly. I have all his playing days cards and have made a couple custom cards for myself. Thanks for another great video.
Make it a third Sean Casey collector here - graduated the same year as him at University of Richmond and covered him for the college newspaper. He gave me a few of his Single A cards from that summer and signed one, absolutely great person
For this week’s question, which is a really interesting one by the way…
I have at times felt tension between modern and vintage collectors. I enjoy both, and have never understood it to be honest. I can’t get over how silly it sounds to say “I collect little pieces of cardboard with pictures of athletes on them, but only from 1980 and older. It would be dumb to collect those same pieces of cardboard featuring players from the 2000s”, and vice versa. It’s all the same hobby, folks! 😃
I do think this is something that is improving over time at least in my circle of hobby friends, and I’d like to think that TH-cam is a great resource for people wanting to explore new areas of the hobby and learn, while being open-minded about it.
Great episode Graig. Thanks for using my Joe Gordon example. Guys like that need a spotlight. He is also one of those not so well known Hall of Famers.
I think the cause of the modern vs vintage beef is just purely not understanding one another. That’s been the cause of so many problems between two sets of people/cultures since the history of man. That includes race, creed, political views, religion, culture. Our hobby is no different. Tolerance and accepting that I don’t have to understand it to still accept it and give it respect. The phrase, collect what makes you happy applies here.
Dude you speak the truth. Oh my God if PSA graded this video they would give it a 10. This is what a hobby is. Thank you, keep up the good work
Good episode. I collect Nomar because I loved him.
Nomad a stud. And he was cool.
I have a handful of Nomar cards. I think he was better than Jeter..and I'm a straight Yankee fan 🎉
@@RM-pg4js he definitely was better for about 5 seasons
Graig, it's funny you ask this question. Because I mentioned before, the modern ''versus'' vintage collectors would be, a fun live-stream.
To answer your question, though I don't really think there's any tension. Modern collectors, are either flipping, dealing, and trading cards. Or just, having fun with their collection.
There are vintage collectors who also collect modern cards too, or, like, to collect modern cards of golden era and pre-war players. You have mentioned recently, that you would buy Shohei Ohtani for example, but he has a lot of rookie cards, and you don't know which card or cards, that are valuable. It's possible this ''tension'' stems from a misunderstand/communication barrier. Not taking the time to understand and process modern cards. Where as, vintage and pre-war cards also has a learning curve as well. It's like one fan at a baseball game makes a scene. Then flocks of people on social media. Talk about the bozo. And due to that one bozo. The entire fan base is a bunch of bozos. When in reality, a small group of people do not represent thousands or even millions of others.
Loved to hear about what and why everyone collects!
I think the way I view things is that modern and vintage collectors don’t understand each others. There may be some animosity, but rather I think one type of collector doesn’t necessarily understand why the other type would collect what they do. But I think and hope that we’ve gotten to the point where we collect different things and respect, or even (gasp) appreciate, that!
Refreshing topic !
I do get tired of hearing about grading and "values" all the time 😊
Very interesting topic for sure regarding "tension between vintage and modern collectors". I don't feel as though any tension exists personally; I myself tend to collect both and have cards ranging from as old as an 1878 Huntley & Palmer to a 2024 AJ Smith Shawver, and everything in between.
Hi Graig, I enjoyed hearing everyone's stories. Thanks for sharing.
Great episode, Graig!!!
As for the question, I don’t feel any tension really. However, I think most vintage collectors, like myself, are taken aback by the lack of vintage in our LCS. It’s all modern and Pokemon. Also, with the prevalence of flipping, I think younger collectors of modern are not really appreciating the history of all the big sports. So, again not tension, but a bit of concern about the lack of interest in the history of the sports and vintage cards.
Great video Graig! For next week’s question about the feud between Vintage and Modern collectors I think most of that tension has been brought on by TH-camrs. The TH-camrs in mind are some of the bigger names that I won’t mention here, but they have no qualms about sharing their opinions about the opposite side of the isle. This obviously happens on both sides of the isle. I’ve heard modern collectors trash talk vintage collectors and vise versa. What gets me is that we all started off as modern collectors opening packs of cards. But now days our generation (midlife) collect for the love of the hobby and game, and modern collectors do it for a profit. Or so it seems.
Interesting topic Graig - and as a fellow Yankee collector, I can relate. Earliest memories I have are going to a park outside Yankee Stadium when I was 4 or 5, so 1972/1973 and the Yankee cap I had. After we moved "north" to Kingsbridge due to a building fire where we lived on the Concourse - still the Bronx, still a Yankee fan for life. Reggie was always the guy for me, as I had memories of him more than once at the gas station my dad worked at on the upper east side during the late 70's - he even gave me a bat once!
As far as the topic of modern vs vintage collectors, I think in many ways it is beyond the cards - it is the nostalgia vs the "now", and something that has always been. Very similar to the "the stuff you kids listen to ain't music" which every generation says to the next. I do mostly vintage cards/packs on my channel in many ways because of the nostalgia. The packs I opened then, the players great and not so great I admired then. Even the scrubs and "hated" players - Mazzilli comes to mind LOL who we used to target as kids when we visited Shea Stadium "Maz is a spaz" LOL! With the vintage (which I consider to be anything older than my kids - so, pre 1998) and especially the main time of my collecting (from 75-87) the thrill of opening a pack for the players and teams - and to complete a set, instead of the "Lottery tickets" we have with modern packs. I will say - the design and "flash" of many modern cards is appealing maybe again because as someone who really lived during the 80's I can appreciate all the bling, reminiscent of the "greed is good" era, which I am sure is NOT the intent, but serves its purpose to my eyes at least. Take care - and God bless!
Hey Graig, Listen to this on my long drive this morning to Grants Pass… Great way to start off the week my friend! Yes I’m all in for Strongsville!! Can’t wait👍
For the question of the week. Hobby budget wise I’m 95% or more Vintage, but I’ve been known to rip a pack or two🤙 I don’t buy singles (probably be smarter) the nostalgia of tearing open packs not knowing what’s inside is fun. I have modern binders with all those base cards, some toss. I can’t see spending a big chuck of hobby funds for 1 of ? But if that someone’s jam cool! Maybe modern dealers see vintage collectors do a quick glance and move on, vice versa for Vintage dealers. Does that upset them, I don’t know…. but like your analogy with Skiers/Snowboarders. We are all on the same mountain of snow, room for both, and why not give hi-fives to all at the bottom of the hill😎
I actually feel vintage collectors hate on modern investors more, while modern collectors are all assumed to be flippers by the vintage community. It goes both ways though. Some of the modern folks need to stop saying vintage is old and will go out of style, while vintage folks need to lose the “I’m more experienced get off my lawn superiority complex” to collecting. I see this vintage mentality a lot. Modern/new collectors are needed to keep this hobby alive
Bingo ! Crystal clear facts
As a kid and Packers fan, I would get autographs. I had most of Packers several times over, so I would go to get the visiting team. I got to meet Jim Sweeny a couple time's in two seasons from the Jets. He just wanted to talk and hang out. It was special. That led to hanging out with Barry Sanders, getting a kicking lesson from Jan Stenerud, and going into Larry McCarrens camper.
Who I collect ... My childhood hero, Willie Montanez. He was my first favorite baseball player for the 1971 Phillies when he smacked 30 HRs as a rookie. I have all of his cards. What I've done lately is I've begun collecting his autographed cards. Some are hard to find, but I'm getting there. Why? He was "cool". He was labeled a "hotdog" by the press, but I loved the watch he snatched the ball when he caught, how he swung, plus he was a bright spot in an otherwise crappy team! I collected cards from 1972 - 1983. I got back into it in the early 90s. Stopped again, and then got back into them during covid. Who I collect now? Hank Aaron. I'm on a base card run with the only one missing being his rookie card. Looking to get that this spring. Also, I'm on a Mike Schmidt run. Trying to do it in a PSA 9, but I won't be getting that for his Rookie card!
Kenny Washington. My Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Brother! Rest in Power!
There is absolutely no tension between vintage and modern collectors. There is tension between vintage and modern investors. Once people want cards to go up in value, they will argue why their cards are better. If you are a collector, you have no reason to worry about what other people's cards are worth or what they find fun to collect.
Great video! I collect Norval Baptie because my grandfather skated with him as a kid and he's from his hometown. Also have a collection of Negro League stuff that is affiliated with my hometown.
Great stuff as always, good sir. About next weeks question: I think the rivalry is good. We need some rivalries in our lives; it gives us something to tickle our tribalistic funny bone, which, in small enough doses, i think is healthy (a Red Sox fan would be so much less meaningful without the Yankees rivalry, for example.) It's light-hearted enough that both sides can wink at each other, as, ultimately, both sides know that we are all, still, weirdo card nerds. Not to mention that there's no clear distinction between Vintage and Modern cards, anyhow.
I just don’t get or understand modern, the ten different colored refactors, which is the real rookie card of a player, the opening of a pack and straight into a card holder! Your dad said it best in one of your interviews, “manufactured rarity” sums up the modern cards perfectly!
50/50 Mr mike Petty still uses a TV Guide 😁
Get a Marion Motley autograph for your collection, he had a beautiful signature and they are easy and cheap to obtain
Graig, Yes I think there is some tension out there. But I feel it is a very small portion of the hobby. Typically when I’m at a show and I see foil I keep walking. But some dealers have both. I was at a Super Bowl show in Strongsville yesterday. I was actually looking at a Mahomes rookie. It’s the first time I ever stopped to look at one. Some younger collectors were trying to educate me on it. I know the dealer, he was laughing at the whole affair. They could not believe I had little to no interest in it as I just wanted to see one to know what it looked like. They were so curious on how a football collector that seemed to know most of the dealers could have that little interest. I explained to them, I’m not snubbing what they are interested in. But that card is outside the boundary of my collection at this time. I ended my collection at yr 2000. Simple as that. I’m interested in 1888-2000 cards. I’d rather spend my resources in that range. And the older the better, someday that may change. But not yet. If it does, I’ll worry about it then. They then had many questions about vintage. That’s when the dealer really started to laugh. I answered all of their questions and we had a fun talk. I told them, Bottom line, collect what you like. I had an appreciation for the Mahomes, but I just didn’t have that calling to own one. At least not today. All ended well and I think I made some young friends.
Answer for next week: I feel like it is less a tension and more general judgement of the other. Modern collectors may look at Vintage collectors as old heads who are chasing cards no one will care about in the future. Vintage collectors may feel that modern collectors are just repeating the mistakes from the last “junk wax era”, or at times lack hobby etiquette. Both sides seem happy in their communities though and doesn’t seem to be a ton of overlap.
My own view on the topic. I’ll admit my eyes will glaze over when I see a person over 10 years old collecting Pokémon or something like it.
Aaahhhh!
Modern collectors are not prevalent today….they are traders and sellers for immediate profits. Vintage collectors aee TRUE to the hobby…and actually COLLECT for the long terms….
I don’t disagree with your statement as there are flippers rampant in modern collecting. However, it may be a generalization to state there are no modern collectors prevalent and that vintage are true to the hobby. I’ve seen heavy flippers in vintage, and very dedicated modern collectors. Firmly believe that vintage collectors should encourage modern collecting/investing while discouraging hardcore modern flipping
Hi Craig, nice video.
Is there tension between modern collectors and vintage collectors? I sure hope not but I feel there is. I am definitely a vintage & pre war collector, that is what I like. But I also collect modern cards. I buy cards of the older players on the very nice looking modern cards. Some of these players are the only way you can collect them aka. Josh Gibson. I love the photography in the Topps Stadium Club cards and get many cards from this set every year. Modern autograph and patch cards are prizes anyone would like to collect. I even watch a breaker channel when a new set comes out just so I can see the design. When the 2025 Topps comes out, I’ll be watching that channel. So I do have a foot in the modern world.
Some are on just 1 side of the fence and I do think there is tension out there. But there shouldn’t be. My only gripe about modern cards is that I think the card manufacturers or distributors send the best boxes to the breakers to open. Why not, this is free advertising for them. I have no proof, no scientific studies, just a feeling. When my LCS was still in business, he couldn’t get his hands on any boxes of the new sets from the distributor. But the breakers seemed to have no problem and got plenty. This gripe is really not against modern collectors but the industry. Second gripe is the generation of modern (aka younger) collectors seem to not be interested in history as the older generation (most vintage collectors) but once again this is just a feeling. You would actually know better being a teacher. So once again, not a gripe against modern collectors but society as a whole.
Let’s all get along as there is plenty of room in the swimming pool for both collectors.
Now get off my lawn.
I have no animus for modern collector and I'm a total vintage collector. Do I think that investing in cards that just came out of a pack with all the protection that's available these days? There will always be tons of these cards in amazing condition. In the olden days taking care of cards was a process for the very few. Therefore, a real nice old card is hard to come by. I will be interested to see if the manufactured rarity being attempted now, will have the same appeal years from now. I'm skeptical..
Being raised in the twin cities I collect the twins of the sixties and seventies. You heard of Killebrew,Carew, Olivia, Blyleven, Tiant, Koseman, B Martin, but twins not known by some, B Allison, R Rollins,B Allen, R Reese, T Ulander, V Power, J Perry, E Batty, D Chance Z Versailles, C Pascal, D. Mincher, J Hall, C Tovar, J Lemon.
Yay! You used my comment.
I do think that there's "tension" between strictly modern and strictly vintage collectors. I think a lot of collectors will do both as it fits their collection, but there are "purists." I think both sides are somewhat at "fault." Below is a description of the extremes, the purists, in each camp. Probably no one quite fits this completely, I present it only as a sketch of what I think is at issue.
To vintage collectors I think a lot of the "modern/ultra-modern" collectors are "Johnny-come-lately" people. Their prizes of "serial numbers," "shiny cards" and cards with over-the-top graphics are seen as cheap and, "Not REAL collecting." Instead, these are mere "speculators." People with no understanding about the history of the game(s) whose players they are acquiring. It's all about hitting the latest "chase" card. All about the fantasy of picking up the card for next to nothing and then have the player explode on the scene. And the "modern/ultra-modern" collectors have no understanding of the ebbs and flows of the card market. They are, in GOT terms, "Summer Children" who only know about the hobby explosion.
In contrast the "modern/ultra-modern" collectors sometimes drift into scoffing at vintage collectors by the pejorative, "OK, boomer." Whose lectures on the "history of the game" and it's underappreciated outstanding players come across as "Old Man Yells at Cloud." The "modern/ultra-modern" collector sometimes scoffs at the vintage collector being thrilled to get a PSA 7 of a card. And are puzzled by the boring/flat images on the cards. I think in addition to the "grumpy old man" narrative listed above is the sense that these vintage collectors need to get with the times. To realize that "the real money" is in current players.
Like so many others I collected big time in the "Junk Wax" era. I never truly left collecting but I stopped acquiring cards for a while. Then dabbled into some older "Pre-War" things I'd always been interested in but could not afford. "Modern/ultra-modern" collectors, I think, lack insight into the hobby. They lack the long view that Vintage collectors often have. They assume that the hobby will always be in the boom cycle it has been in since they started collecting during Covid.
To me the vintage collectors are afraid they are a dieing breed. "In 20 years no one will remember Ted Kluszewski" type comments are common. I don't know that this is necessarily true. I think that, as others have pointed out, there is a natural progression many "modern/ultra-modern" collectors take. They start out with the current stars but then develop curiosity "Why does ANYONE think Jordan is/was better than LeBron?" So they start looking into it and see not only how good Jordan was, but also some of his cool cards. Then they go back a little further and look into, let's say, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and progress into vintage curious and eventually including vintage in their collection.
Vintage people tend to be more collectors whereas modern has both collectors and flippers. There is enough room in the hobby for all types and reasons for enjoying it. For me, I have no interest in chasing the huge modern hit but that doesn't make it fun and exciting for someone else.
To each his own, but I am annoyed by modern card collectors. They only care about the grade (which is some stranger’s opinion that can vary on any given day). They have no reverence for baseball history, they are only in it for superficial reasons like flipping/selling, their contrived manufactured rarity is not.organic like actual rarity, and the cards are mostly irrelevant with all the endless parallels and meaningless variations. The whole concept of destroying a legendary player’s bat or uniform, just to adhere a tiny swatch onto a card is sacrilegious. Any hobby in which 80% of the “prospecting” fails to pan out is the definition of dumb. Just ask Craig Jefferies and Todd Van Poppel.
There is tension between vintage and modern collectors. I watch a lot of vintage content on TH-cam and I notice there is much snobbery when talking about modern cards. Here are some examples:
1. With respect to scarcity, the vintage collectors say that modern cards have artificial scarcity. I say that vintage cards have scarcity because of neglect, the cards weren't valued.
Scarcity is scarcity.
2. With respect to parallels, the vintage collector complains that modern cards have too many parallels. Parallels have always been in the hobby, for example the T206 set had a number of different backs. Those are like parallel sets.
3. There is a podcaster that says in the opening of his show that (I'm paraphrasing): We won't be talking about shiny cards...meaning that there is something wrong with shiny cards. If they had the technology back then, cards of the past would have been shiny
Most vintage collectors pay little attention to the modern market. I see all those shiny refractors, chrome, jersey, patch, auto etc & its like junk wax on roids. I just look past 99% of them. Modern is very plastic & fake looking. And its all basically speculation, like a quasi stock market. It ain't collecting anymore.
Vintage cards are art, they're already proven players, & there's relatively few of them. Plus the cardstock is difficult to keep in good shape.
Modern buyers seem to be just looking for "hits" in the comments. I think they view vintage as a waste of time.
Tension? Between modern and vintage collectors? I’m pretty sure you’re asking the wrong question. I don’t think there is any tension between modern card collectors and vintage card collectors. Technically, I consider myself both and also see you in both with your Matt Manning cards. Maybe some concern over table space at card shows, but not tension.
The tension that you are referring to, I’m pretty sure it’s between true collectors, and the others that are in the hobby space. Specifically, breakers, flippers, grading companies, the card companies, and the big corporations like fanatics that are just trying to profit as much as possible. As a collector, it is my impression that these other players in the hobby have grown it greatly, but they are changing a lot of things. The only players in this game that are not focused on profit are collectors. Also, to truly grow the hobby the true collector base must grow. Otherwise, there are no landing places for all of the new cards that are being produced. I think the biggest tension or concern that I see is the new potential collectors entering the space (specifically young people) are a lot of times being pulled in by the thrill of the gambling of opening new packs or participating in brakes. They like all the shiny new cards. But it feels like they’re not truly focused on collecting and keeping cards, just getting and flipping them. This may be good for short term growth, but not long term sustainability of the hobby.
As always, thanks for your videos!!! Very curious to see how you respond to my take here. If it doesn’t make your video, can you please add a response comment??? Thanks!!! 🙂
Great comment. Remove the if it doesn't make the video part though. Lol.