I see many experts here. Well I own this engine and let me tell you, it runs like a dream, on my Logan MCV. Gives a beautiful rumble exaust note, too. Friends with taxies had pas the 100k mark, with no faults what so ever. But haters will always hate.
My wife has this engine in her Logan as well and it's a surprisingly powerful little unit for the size. I've always loved the sound of three cylinder engines, way nicer than a four cylinder droning away.
Glad to read your comment, I'm waiting on my new Dacia Duster with the TCe90 and was starting to worry these smaller engines might be stressed to much and will have a short lifespan. Fingers crossed. Cheers
Fantastic little unit. My sandero has this engine and its actually very able on fast roads. Gives good economy and refinement just a little hesitant at low city speeds at times.
This very interesting engine is in my Dacia stepway. After 116 K the engine still runs like new. In fact I decided to buy the car back in 2019 due to the strong und lasting timing chain inside the engine. It is not common knowledge that Renault is the best engine builder. It's because the French are the best engineers worldwide. They have other brains than we have...the Citroen DS proves it. The "Antoinette" aero engine designed in 1906 (it had fuel injection and made all flying positions possible) is another prove of their skills.
Nein bis jetzt noch nicht, ist noch zu neu. Nervig ist nur der Kaltstart, da springt er wie verrückt. Schade dass sie den Turbo nicht umgehen können bis der Motor warm ist.
Man hört außer dem allseits bekannten Feinstaubproblem nichts Negatives über den Motor. Weder im Smart noch im Dacia Forum. Der soll sogar eine Steuerkette und keinen Zahnriemen mehr haben. Auch schön ist die Zugkraft schon ab 1900 Umdrehungen, man hört richtig das Surren und spürt danach den Schub ;-) Da der Smart recht leicht ist macht das irren Spaß.
Throw it in neutral and take your foot off the clutch, thats when it when the stop / start works. Works for me reliably. With Air-Con and stereo running, will remain off for about 3 minutes before firing up again.
I've had 2 Clios with this 90 HP engine and performance and economy were quite good. However, the 110 HP version of the same engine in my Twingo GT is far superior and delivers performance similar to a 1980s hot hatch. Maximum torque is produced all the way from 1800-5000 rpm so it climbs hills in top gear like a fast turbo diesel.
@@francescolopez5994 I don't know enough about this myself but I am aware of a TH-camr with a Twingo GT who has changed the exhaust, so here is the link which I hope you find helpful: th-cam.com/video/qlO17hwwxeU/w-d-xo.html
I drive a Dacia with same engine, very weak on take-off,but on the straight road I can take on the Polo 1.6 , Hyundai ,i20, Run X, Yaris, Coupla Kia standard hatches, with ease!
I noticed the same on a Renault Symbol I drove with this engine. At take-off feels like any other 3-cylinder engine, but at high revs the performance is pretty good for such a small engine.
I was always wondering if a slight shift like that seend in the animation, or a slight tilt would be more benefical. I mean for a high torque output engine. The shift reliefs engine of stress at that power and usese the gar more eficiently. Hesitation wil be inexistent, especialy when the engine wears. However, I.m a little curious on how the teflon chain and graphite plated pistons are going to hold up. I drive the Dacia Logan equiped with this engine and it is realy powerfull.
It's a good engine but it is noisy at idle and a bit rough. The Peugeot/Citroen 3 cylinders are much smoother and refined. This does a good enough job though. It is an excellent replacement for a 1.4 litre and tackles inclines with ease.
I don't feel like the braking / energy recovery was explained or demonstrated successfully. How did the engine recover energy and how did it use the energy to get going again?
2:25 cylinders offset from crankshaft axis -- I thought that had been standard for a long time. I've seen lawnmower engines where the offset was pretty obvious, even from the outside
+Ethan Gee As I understand it , there is a decrease in internal friction if the capacity / cylinder is kept at a decent size . I am lead to believe , that 50% of energy was lost , because of the piston vectoring itself hard into the wall of the cylinder , directed by the con rod . The figure seams very large , but reducing the number of cylinder to increase the surface area & reduce pressure into the wall seams like a good compromise . I would like to see the use of boxer formats & scottish yokes ............ but engineerings are very conservative & marketing departments don ' t want to scare the horses . I think Renaullt do some impressive design work , but the temptation to get it under a bonnet & out on the street before all the bugs have been layer to rest , and into dealerships who are under trained & pressure then gets the kit a bad name . I hope their link with Nissan ( notable for BM grade engineering , not very original , but very reliable , but at a good price ) , may have good results in this are ability to keep it on the road . Same diesel has a soot problem , that combination , to take thermal advantage would be good .
It is still 25% less consumption. This engine is not made for people who want a sporty drivingstyle, but for people like me, who want a car which does what it has to do and keeps the costs down. The Turbo on the other hand, keeps it in flow with the traffic. At least the traffic of people who behave normaly and keep trafficrules in honor.
Someone had a 3-pot 1,2-litre/6-spd automatic peugeot 308 as a taxi, drove a little over 300 000 kms with it and reported that only rear hatch (a SW) gas struts had to be replaced. These 3-pots could be persistent little animals... Waiting for real experiences (not hearsay or assumings) on Renault Tce...
Just seen a small fleet of dacia logan Airport taxis with 900cc tce running aftermarket lpg system auctioned off, most had at least 150,000 miles, all were running fine.
@@alpertasc1567 I did my own measurement, when braking voltage goes even to 15v, then accelerating it lowers to 14,5v or even 12,8v. Search for "Renault recuperation"
Is LSPI a problem/real risk with this type of engine? If yes, RN17 motor oil is enough for protection or additional preventive fluids (like direct injection cleaner) needed?
I bought a Captura 2 1.0 tce lpg 2020 with 80,000 km. The belt that goes over the water pump fell out, the pump broke. Do you admit a factory error, because I don't know which engineer designed the pump that does not have limiters for the belt and that falls apart, are there many cases of this happening?
I own this motor, i like it a lot.. very silent, very powerful for a 90cc, the start stop doesn-t work always, it depends on.. how charged the battery is, if the motor is warm, .. not clear, but i-m fine with that.. I-m a bit woried about the start stop and the turbo, thats my only concern.. but i guess they think on that..
I have a Nissan Micra K14 (the model which is quite similar to the Clio) with this engine and I always turn off the Start and Stop feature, I don't know how bad it is for the turbo to stop the car suddenly xD
Good explanation - BMW made a 3 cylinder for their motorcycle, a 750cc which was the 1000cc with one lopped off, and they used a balancer shaft, to make it like a turbine - actually, felt boring. This looks like a good way to avoid doing the balancing, and having what I think is called a Hi-Vo toothed chain-substitute, is obviously good, having just done the cambelt on the older Clio. Been in the new 3-cylinder one, it's bigger, being about 2" wider, 2.5" longer, and I would guess a little heavier. The engine, just sounds smooth and pulls ok from what I saw, I guess you keep it above 1700rpm to keep it comfortable, but good drivers just adjust for the machinery they are using at the time? No good saying an RS turbo doesn't pull low-down with a family and luggage, sort of thing. This is a nice design, interesting the alternative diesel one they retain 4 pots for, and it is 1500cc, and still gives 66mpg real-world (honestjohn) and this petrol 3 gives 46mpg real-world. It will leave room for a Honda-style electric motor/generator to go on the end?!
Tu reduce vibration! A 4 cylinder has a 90 degrees crank stroke, while a 3 cylinder has 120 degrees crank stroke. They could have used a balancing shaft but that's expensive and adds weight. Ford was the first manufacturer who came up with this ideea, to offset the crank, at it's 3 cylinder engines, and worked perfectly.
Hello. What do you think about the 0.9 tce engine? How much do you have? My friend wrote to me - '150tys km and engine for scrap, not even be renovated. How did he go to the mechanic, he immediately asked over 160,000 km? We order a motor. "
Tyrone Ross, a 3 cylinder car engine is not unbalanced, because the crankshaft has counterweights to compensate the missing 4th cylinder. I've learned this while taking my lorry driving license!!!
+luis keeper Good but why go to 3 cylinders when 4 have proved a century of good motoring and at least are fully tested.Cut out a cylinder may save fuel but pickup power for over taking must be nil. I hate these little buz balls taking all day to over take then shooting in under your bonnet for you to go down through every gear for the on coming hill and just hoping your 60 foot vehicle will make the grade. Curse the dangerous bastards in their vastly under powered and ugly cars.
Well Kevin, that depends, for example the new Ford Focus 1.0 Ecoboost 125hp 3 cylinders vs new Focus but the normal 1.6 version 4 cylinders, the 3 cylinders has a huge advantage, ok it has a turbo but is a low pressure turbo and it's only a 1.0, and accelerations are better than the 1.6. That use to be before when you had 3 cylinder cars with only 55 or 65hp. but even the 4 cylinders used to be like that, 50, 60hp, for example a 1.4 engine with 4 cylinders and only 60hp.
In this engine a turbine is placed in the exhaust gasses and the recovered energy is used to increase the inlet pressure. But the energy of the turbine can also be coupled back on the crankshaft (compound engine) in which case there is an important decrease in fuel consumption of about 6-7%. I wonder why this construction is not used in light engines. Perhaps the construction of the engine would become to expensive but I don't really know. Anybody an answer?
Because in this way (exhaust placement) you can reach very high RPM for the turbine to compress the air. If is attached to the crankshaft you get only the engine RPM which is nota enough.
Renault has the top engines in the world right now. Anyone who says they are bad, either hasn't got a clue, tries to make himself interesting by hating french cars, or sucks the german companies cock. You can have a different opinion on whether they are the best, everyone has his preferences, but to say that Renault are bad is just plain stupid. Peugeot is also great with diesels, but Renault has both diesels and petrols. And germans, they are shitty money pits right now, only Mercedes is good. BMWs, you need to buy a second car to have spares, because it's cheaper to buy another than keep repairing your own. VW, awesome petrols for the first 50 000km. And then, the oil ring will clog up, seize the engine and break the piston. Diesels are shitty from the first moment they switched to common rail. It's all crap, even their build quality is crap. Look for the Top gear episode where Rory tries the VW Arteon's automatic braking accident protection s26e5. A reputable company that has existed for a 100 years are LYING about SAFETY. They lied about the emissions to keep an edge over the others but even then they were worse. Renault have had one of the best safety ratings in the last 25 years. French cars are a hundred times better in the moment, and that is coming from me, a guy who owned german cars at first. Since I got my Laguna coupe, I am reborn with engine responsiveness, ride quality, noise insulation, and best of all, no breakdowns. The car is comfortable like a Mercedes and handles like an Alfa Romeo.
Agree with you on the German car hype - they are shite. Having owned a vehicle with the 0.9 tce I can say the engine is a nice little performer, smooth, quiet and flexible. However economy was quite poor. I have driven many cars for the last 27 years and know how to drive economically and pride myself on being frugal with fuel but this engine beat me. Maybe I just had a bad unit in the car I had?
@@steven-vn9ui You probably don't have a bad unit, you have a heavy foot. All of the small engines with turbo are bad with economy when you are driving fast. If you are conservative with your foot and you drive smoothly, you'll get the mpg they promise. It's the same as my fathers Peugeot 508 RXH diesel hybrid. It claims that it uses 4 liters per 100km, but when you drive properly it uses 7 liters per 100. But if you drive like a grandma, you'll get the promised economy. Small engines are a scam for city and twisty roads, but on highways they are pretty frugal.
@@NSB25445 Appreciate your comment, however, I am very easy on my cars. Clutches, tyres, brakes all last an age as does my fuel in every other car I have owned. I see you are very passionate and that is a good thing but I must stick to my findings, weather on the motorway or in town it failed to impress. I have been happy with the 1.0l 3 cyl offered by PSA - I average 54mpg currently with a mix of town motoray 75/25 percent roughly. And yes I know it has no where near the power of the tce but on the other hand it is very simple to service and repair if needed. All the best and safe driving!
@@steven-vn9ui Maybe, I haven't owned them after all. I've driven a 1.2 tce on a trip, it was great, but not to my liking. I currently drive a 2.0 180hp Laguna coupe , and it's great.
Just bought a Renault Clio IV estate Tce 0.9. Replaced the timing chain for 150 euros myself. Dealer charged 2000,67 euro. Its easy just watch tutorial.
Ford's belts running in oil are still holding up seven years later. Timing chains are no guarantee of reliability, just look at the disasters that BMW have had.
Muy buen video, aunque hubiese preferido que incluyese voz. La música muy adecuada. Cuesta aceptar que un motor de 900 cc de tres cilindros pueda rendir aceptablemente en un coche de peso moderado. Pero la potencia es la de los primeros Ford Escort 1.600 cc hacia 1980. El par es el de un motor Nissan, también 1.600, de mediados de los ´90, del que tengo buenos recuerdos, solo que el TCe 90 lo ofrece a menos régimen. Entonces, si consume menos e -importante- contamina menos, parece un buen motor si se aspira a un coche fiable para el día a día y no importan lo que digan los amigos "instalados".
i have this engine too, it has Start&Stop in the name but it never seems to work, always StopStart unavailable message on my Control panel. Fuck. Hope it was not taken out, for cost reduction without saying anything. It even has a button to disable it tho. Anyone any idea ?
+Gašper Klančnik Engine need to be warm in order to get the start & stop to work. Your commute need to be more than 5/6 Km in order to have the engine to temperature
the 3 cylinder renault would be better at 1350cc capacity...or better still i think a 1200cc air cooled V-Twin would be a COOL engine for a compact car..the exhaust sound would be awesome..car companies don't produce affordable Fun cars
Me: 1.9 sdi vw engine, no turbo, no variable nothing, nofancy eletronic, consumption 4l /100 km, repairability: its basically an agriculture engine, no joke. These fancy engines are just disposable crap that no one will repair after it breaks.
I have same 1.9 sdi vw 9n engine Just got to 126000 miles and think I’ve just run it in ☺️runs like a dream no dpf no turbo best engine I’ve ever used and I’ve run and owned plenty of cars !
Seeee all’ accensione un cilindro non funziona finché è freddo nessuno sa sistemare sto difetto ? Accelerazione pessima singhiozza e la frizione stacca male 🤔🤔🤔🤔
This is the worst engine i have ever seen. I have Renault Clio IV 2013 with this H4B engine. I was driving to work one day and the timing chain tensioner failed and destroyed the whole engine. The car has ONLY done 147tkm with services done on time. Of course manufacturer does not cover any costs over the manufacturing fault. Stay away from Renault.
_Mr.Claudiu_ Well the chain did not make any sound and its not the chain that failed its the tensioner. Also in the service plan there is no recommendation to change the timing chain or tensioners ever.
@@ticklishlawyer2 Hi, I know it's a 2 year old comment but just out of curiosity, how much did they charged you for repairing the chain tensioner? Did it needed a new engine or did you get rid of the car? Thanks
@@Steven3D8888 Dealer said they wont’t cover anything because the car was just over warranty. I opened the broken engine and it was just too expensive to repair, all valves bent etc. I bought a used replacement engine for the car and changed it myself.
@@ticklishlawyer2 Thanks for the reply, it's so typical that something breaks down just after warranty... Nice skill that you could replace the engine yourself, saves a lot of money! Hopefully you have more luck with the new engine, I assume it's the same type. Cheers
In Europe, we can't aford 6 cylinder engines, not just because of expensive fuel, but also because of high tax on big engines. Also a 3 cylinder sounds better than 4 when reved. It has a more pronunced rumble. I own this engine, and at first I was surprised to see that is faster tham a 1.6 aspirated. Mpgs are awsome. But it may not have a long life. You can't have them all.
Unbalanced? Uneven numbers are the best. Your straight six fires in 3 pairs, slightly offset but 3 pairs. Uneven doesn't require balance shafts or other mechanical lumps to equal out the vibration
This is pure bullshit.... Maybe it's good for taxi, uber and so on but for a family car / personal car / highway with friends, this motor is pure crap, you need to rev the shit out of it to produce some decent power
Have you driven one of these? I like them alot, im thinking of getting an old lancer (same chassi as the Evo 6) and swap one of these boys in there! Sound is amazing and the engine is good enough for every day use, with a bigger turbo and some more turbo noises it would be a blast while still being able to fuel it.
Had this on a rental car : utter junk. To be fair, the whole car was junk. It's sad that Renault got trapped into that niche of cars for old retired people lacking taste. They have the capabilities to produce decent cars, given their experience in F1 and all but seem to have dropped even the idea of producing good cars and challenging German brands.
The fact they use their knowledge and lessons learned in F1 to design and engineer their road car engines says you don't know what you're talking about
I see many experts here. Well I own this engine and let me tell you, it runs like a dream, on my Logan MCV. Gives a beautiful rumble exaust note, too. Friends with taxies had pas the 100k mark, with no faults what so ever. But haters will always hate.
My wife has this engine in her Logan as well and it's a surprisingly powerful little unit for the size. I've always loved the sound of three cylinder engines, way nicer than a four cylinder droning away.
Glad to read your comment, I'm waiting on my new Dacia Duster with the TCe90 and was starting to worry these smaller engines might be stressed to much and will have a short lifespan. Fingers crossed. Cheers
@@Steven3D8888 its been a year now , how was your experience with the car
Here i am about to by a dacia with these. Any change?
I have just bought a Clio with this engine and it's like a rocket. Very fast when you want it to be and good on fuel.
Fantastic little unit. My sandero has this engine and its actually very able on fast roads. Gives good economy and refinement just a little hesitant at low city speeds at times.
What about fuel consumption? Can you tell me something about that? I want to buy a Sandero but I hesitate about what motor to choose.
László Marosán I get around 54mpg average which works out at 4.3L/100km
TJ 4.3L? That's great! It's better than a diesel engine.
László Marosán it’s nearly as good as the diesel I drive it very carefully
What can you tell us about reliability so far?
This very interesting engine is in my Dacia stepway. After 116 K the engine still runs like new. In fact I decided to buy the car back in 2019 due to the strong und lasting timing chain inside the engine. It is not common knowledge that Renault is the best engine builder. It's because the French are the best engineers worldwide. They have other brains than we have...the Citroen DS proves it. The "Antoinette" aero engine designed in 1906 (it had fuel injection and made all flying positions possible) is another prove of their skills.
Geniales Motörchen, hab ich im Smart und mit ihm fühlt der sich wie ein Sportwagen an !! Schön gemacht Renault !
Nein bis jetzt noch nicht, ist noch zu neu. Nervig ist nur der Kaltstart, da springt er wie verrückt. Schade dass sie den Turbo nicht umgehen können bis der Motor warm ist.
Man hört außer dem allseits bekannten Feinstaubproblem nichts Negatives über den Motor. Weder im Smart noch im Dacia Forum. Der soll sogar eine Steuerkette und keinen Zahnriemen mehr haben. Auch schön ist die Zugkraft schon ab 1900 Umdrehungen, man hört richtig das Surren und spürt danach den Schub ;-) Da der Smart recht leicht ist macht das irren Spaß.
Auch im Clio läuft der erstaunlich gut!
Throw it in neutral and take your foot off the clutch, thats when it when the stop / start works. Works for me reliably. With Air-Con and stereo running, will remain off for about 3 minutes before firing up again.
Love the ultimate power of the engine. (Y)
I've had 2 Clios with this 90 HP engine and performance and economy were quite good. However, the 110 HP version of the same engine in my Twingo GT is far superior and delivers performance similar to a 1980s hot hatch. Maximum torque is produced all the way from 1800-5000 rpm so it climbs hills in top gear like a fast turbo diesel.
Hi i have twingo gt 3 too. It s Beautiful car for me. I would like to hear much the sound of the Engine. Do you suggest an exhaust only silencer?
@@francescolopez5994 I don't know enough about this myself but I am aware of a TH-camr with a Twingo GT who has changed the exhaust, so here is the link which I hope you find helpful: th-cam.com/video/qlO17hwwxeU/w-d-xo.html
I drive a Dacia with same engine, very weak on take-off,but on the straight road I can take on the Polo 1.6 , Hyundai ,i20, Run X, Yaris, Coupla Kia standard hatches, with ease!
I noticed the same on a Renault Symbol I drove with this engine. At take-off feels like any other 3-cylinder engine, but at high revs the performance is pretty good for such a small engine.
I was always wondering if a slight shift like that seend in the animation, or a slight tilt would be more benefical. I mean for a high torque output engine. The shift reliefs engine of stress at that power and usese the gar more eficiently. Hesitation wil be inexistent, especialy when the engine wears.
However, I.m a little curious on how the teflon chain and graphite plated pistons are going to hold up.
I drive the Dacia Logan equiped with this engine and it is realy powerfull.
powerfull compared to what?
2:34 Braking energy recovery? Are they using the alternator to charge up a super-cap bank or something?
Main battery is charged . Then for fev seconds from start generator is disabled .
Stop start works fine for me, if it's a bit cold or sometimes if you have not long started it may not work. Generally it works
It's a good engine but it is noisy at idle and a bit rough. The Peugeot/Citroen 3 cylinders are much smoother and refined. This does a good enough job though. It is an excellent replacement for a 1.4 litre and tackles inclines with ease.
the background song is a banger
th-cam.com/video/_G8sm7sz5VY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rVoTLAbnmyVNruKJ
Such a good era for Renault
@@SamTrembath true
th-cam.com/video/_G8sm7sz5VY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KIgbmcFco25qagAf
cok iyi gercekten 0.9 benzinli dacia var 1.6 gibi cekiyor
I don't feel like the braking / energy recovery was explained or demonstrated successfully. How did the engine recover energy and how did it use the energy to get going again?
2:25 cylinders offset from crankshaft axis -- I thought that had been standard for a long time. I've seen lawnmower engines where the offset was pretty obvious, even from the outside
when it says 25% less consumption, thats only because they have removed one cylinder...
+Ethan Gee As I understand it , there is a decrease in internal friction if the capacity / cylinder is kept at a decent size . I am lead to believe , that 50% of energy was lost , because of the piston vectoring itself hard into the wall of the cylinder , directed by the con rod . The figure seams very large , but reducing the number of cylinder to increase the surface area & reduce pressure into the wall seams like a good compromise . I would like to see the use of boxer formats & scottish yokes ............ but engineerings are very conservative & marketing departments don ' t want to scare the horses . I think Renaullt do some impressive design work , but the temptation to get it under a bonnet & out on the street before all the bugs have been layer to rest , and into dealerships who are under trained & pressure then gets the kit a bad name . I hope their link with Nissan ( notable for BM grade engineering , not very original , but very reliable , but at a good price ) , may have good results in this are ability to keep it on the road .
Same diesel has a soot problem , that combination , to take thermal advantage would be good .
It is still 25% less consumption. This engine is not made for people who want a sporty drivingstyle, but for people like me, who want a car which does what it has to do and keeps the costs down. The Turbo on the other hand, keeps it in flow with the traffic. At least the traffic of people who behave normaly and keep trafficrules in honor.
You can get up to 25 percent reduction, but only on the highway, and using almost no power from the engine.
@@PatrickBijvoet iam sporty driver with stage 1 i have 120 hp 200 nm funny car now
@@NSB25445 its good on fuell even city driving going to 6000 rpm i get 15 km L and i drive sporty , high way drive 20 km L. Great car !
Someone had a 3-pot 1,2-litre/6-spd automatic peugeot 308 as a taxi, drove a little over 300 000 kms with it and reported that only rear hatch (a SW) gas struts had to be replaced. These 3-pots could be persistent little animals... Waiting for real experiences (not hearsay or assumings) on Renault Tce...
Just seen a small fleet of dacia logan Airport taxis with 900cc tce running aftermarket lpg system auctioned off, most had at least 150,000 miles, all were running fine.
Should i change timing chain ? 153.000 and car sounds different in cold winter mornings. I have it since 103.000 km.
yes, if it breaks, you will need a new engine
How it provides braking energy recovery in an internal combustion engine? Could someone explain?
other than like your comment cant i
It is used to charge 12v battery.
@@1234sdg131 I couldn't find any source about that, can you help me to find if you already did?
@@alpertasc1567 I did my own measurement, when braking voltage goes even to 15v, then accelerating it lowers to 14,5v or even 12,8v. Search for "Renault recuperation"
@@1234sdg131 I see, thanks
I drove 193.000 Km in 4 years with this engine. Oil change every 10.000 - 15.000 Km. No problems yet.
Is LSPI a problem/real risk with this type of engine? If yes, RN17 motor oil is enough for protection or additional preventive fluids (like direct injection cleaner) needed?
I bought a Captura 2 1.0 tce lpg 2020 with 80,000 km. The belt that goes over the water pump fell out, the pump broke.
Do you admit a factory error, because I don't know which engineer designed the pump that does not have limiters for the belt and that falls apart, are there many cases of this happening?
Quanti chilometri si può fare con questo motore??
Amo la nuova Twingo
I own this motor, i like it a lot.. very silent, very powerful for a 90cc, the start stop doesn-t work always, it depends on.. how charged the battery is, if the motor is warm, .. not clear, but i-m fine with that.. I-m a bit woried about the start stop and the turbo, thats my only concern.. but i guess they think on that..
nä 900cc är det
yes, i meant to say 900cc
musikdoktor i drove in this thing but it seems like the turbo kicks in around 3000 rpm but then stops at 4000
I have a Nissan Micra K14 (the model which is quite similar to the Clio) with this engine and I always turn off the Start and Stop feature, I don't know how bad it is for the turbo to stop the car suddenly xD
What can you tell us about reliability, so far?
Good explanation - BMW made a 3 cylinder for their motorcycle, a 750cc which was the 1000cc with one lopped off, and they used a balancer shaft, to make it like a turbine - actually, felt boring. This looks like a good way to avoid doing the balancing, and having what I think is called a Hi-Vo toothed chain-substitute, is obviously good, having just done the cambelt on the older Clio. Been in the new 3-cylinder one, it's bigger, being about 2" wider, 2.5" longer, and I would guess a little heavier. The engine, just sounds smooth and pulls ok from what I saw, I guess you keep it above 1700rpm to keep it comfortable, but good drivers just adjust for the machinery they are using at the time? No good saying an RS turbo doesn't pull low-down with a family and luggage, sort of thing. This is a nice design, interesting the alternative diesel one they retain 4 pots for, and it is 1500cc, and still gives 66mpg real-world (honestjohn) and this petrol 3 gives 46mpg real-world. It will leave room for a Honda-style electric motor/generator to go on the end?!
So why are the cylinders offset from the crankshaft?
Tu reduce vibration! A 4 cylinder has a 90 degrees crank stroke, while a 3 cylinder has 120 degrees crank stroke. They could have used a balancing shaft but that's expensive and adds weight. Ford was the first manufacturer who came up with this ideea, to offset the crank, at it's 3 cylinder engines, and worked perfectly.
@ferkemall on their Fiestas and Focuses, 3 cylinder engines.
crankshaft is offset from cylinders no t vice versa
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Will it be wise to install a freeflow or catback system on this engine?
Hello. What do you think about the 0.9 tce engine? How much do you have? My friend wrote to me - '150tys km and engine for scrap, not even be renovated. How did he go to the mechanic, he immediately asked over 160,000 km?
We order a motor. "
0.9 TCE euro 5 with 350.000 km . From which 250.000 with petrol and 100.000 km with GPL . Consumption oil (Elf) 1L per 10 000 km. Very good motor !
@@mariusmanole6475 what grade of oil do you use? 5w30 c3?
Tyrone Ross, a 3 cylinder car engine is not unbalanced, because the crankshaft has counterweights to compensate the missing 4th cylinder. I've learned this while taking my lorry driving license!!!
+luis keeper Good but why go to 3 cylinders when 4 have proved a century of good motoring and at least are fully tested.Cut out a cylinder may save fuel but pickup power for over taking must be nil. I hate these little buz balls taking all day to over take then shooting in under your bonnet for you to go down through every gear for the on coming hill and just hoping your 60 foot vehicle will make the grade. Curse the dangerous bastards in their vastly under powered and ugly cars.
Well Kevin, that depends, for example the new Ford Focus 1.0 Ecoboost 125hp 3 cylinders vs new Focus but the normal 1.6 version 4 cylinders, the 3 cylinders has a huge advantage, ok it has a turbo but is a low pressure turbo and it's only a 1.0, and accelerations are better than the 1.6. That use to be before when you had 3 cylinder cars with only 55 or 65hp. but even the 4 cylinders used to be like that, 50, 60hp, for example a 1.4 engine with 4 cylinders and only 60hp.
On what motorcycle, did Renault ,put on this engine? :)))
1:30 you didn't see graphite because there is no graphite!!
Not great, not terrible
Pretty much all modern engines have a polymer-graphite anti-friction pad on the piston skirts.
@@ferrumignis r/wooshh
@@kiyoponnn Still using old reddit memes? You stuck in history son?
In this engine a turbine is placed in the exhaust gasses and the recovered energy is used to increase the inlet pressure. But the energy of the turbine can also be coupled back on the crankshaft (compound engine) in which case there is an important decrease in fuel consumption of about 6-7%. I wonder why this construction is not used in light engines. Perhaps the construction of the engine would become to expensive but I don't really know. Anybody an answer?
Because in this way (exhaust placement) you can reach very high RPM for the turbine to compress the air. If is attached to the crankshaft you get only the engine RPM which is nota enough.
Renault has the top engines in the world right now. Anyone who says they are bad, either hasn't got a clue, tries to make himself interesting by hating french cars, or sucks the german companies cock. You can have a different opinion on whether they are the best, everyone has his preferences, but to say that Renault are bad is just plain stupid. Peugeot is also great with diesels, but Renault has both diesels and petrols.
And germans, they are shitty money pits right now, only Mercedes is good. BMWs, you need to buy a second car to have spares, because it's cheaper to buy another than keep repairing your own. VW, awesome petrols for the first 50 000km. And then, the oil ring will clog up, seize the engine and break the piston. Diesels are shitty from the first moment they switched to common rail. It's all crap, even their build quality is crap. Look for the Top gear episode where Rory tries the VW Arteon's automatic braking accident protection s26e5. A reputable company that has existed for a 100 years are LYING about SAFETY. They lied about the emissions to keep an edge over the others but even then they were worse. Renault have had one of the best safety ratings in the last 25 years.
French cars are a hundred times better in the moment, and that is coming from me, a guy who owned german cars at first. Since I got my Laguna coupe, I am reborn with engine responsiveness, ride quality, noise insulation, and best of all, no breakdowns. The car is comfortable like a Mercedes and handles like an Alfa Romeo.
Agree with you on the German car hype - they are shite. Having owned a vehicle with the 0.9 tce I can say the engine is a nice little performer, smooth, quiet and flexible. However economy was quite poor. I have driven many cars for the last 27 years and know how to drive economically and pride myself on being frugal with fuel but this engine beat me. Maybe I just had a bad unit in the car I had?
@@steven-vn9ui You probably don't have a bad unit, you have a heavy foot. All of the small engines with turbo are bad with economy when you are driving fast. If you are conservative with your foot and you drive smoothly, you'll get the mpg they promise. It's the same as my fathers Peugeot 508 RXH diesel hybrid. It claims that it uses 4 liters per 100km, but when you drive properly it uses 7 liters per 100. But if you drive like a grandma, you'll get the promised economy.
Small engines are a scam for city and twisty roads, but on highways they are pretty frugal.
@@NSB25445 Appreciate your comment, however, I am very easy on my cars. Clutches, tyres, brakes all last an age as does my fuel in every other car I have owned. I see you are very passionate and that is a good thing but I must stick to my findings, weather on the motorway or in town it failed to impress. I have been happy with the 1.0l 3 cyl offered by PSA - I average 54mpg currently with a mix of town motoray 75/25 percent roughly. And yes I know it has no where near the power of the tce but on the other hand it is very simple to service and repair if needed. All the best and safe driving!
@@steven-vn9ui Maybe, I haven't owned them after all. I've driven a 1.2 tce on a trip, it was great, but not to my liking. I currently drive a 2.0 180hp Laguna coupe , and it's great.
I love my Clio it’s an A to B car not a sports car , comfortable cheap to service and
I sure have a 300 BHP JCW Mini if I want to fast …
Fast
Clio is only 1030kg so this engine is a good fit
bende 2019 model var ve 1750 devir altı çok cansız, 1500 devirlerde kullanmak araca zarar verir mi?
tork devri 1650-5200d/d , bu aralığın içinde sürmek lazım.
The car I test drove had this engine. The drive was sooooo sluggish. sucks they removed 1.2 engines.
Just bought a Renault Clio IV estate Tce 0.9. Replaced the timing chain for 150 euros myself. Dealer charged 2000,67 euro. Its easy just watch tutorial.
That's like one quarter of a v12
you just achieved the darwin award
MrTiti 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow you can do maths
Cool I want one!
thats what i like to see a timing chain well done renault not like the new ford engine a belt run in oil problems on the way ford
Ford's belts running in oil are still holding up seven years later. Timing chains are no guarantee of reliability, just look at the disasters that BMW have had.
Sooo, how does it recover braking energy if it's not hybrid?
It doesn't have to be hybrid to do that. They can use the alternator.
@ferkemall Because some random youtube user who can't even spell "idea" definitely knows better than the engineers that designed this.
Anyone may tell me please the engine code for this engine?
Motor 100% Mercedes euro6 ? M281 ? Merci
What program was this presentation made on?
Can anyone tell me: does it have hydraulic tappets or valve clearances should be periodically adjusted?
Of course it has hydrolic lifters. No need to adjust the valve clearances on modern engines.
Has any engine in the last 30 years needed to have the valve clearance adjusted? I doubt it
@@Dan-wn2lm I've got Ford Focus 2017 year of production 1.6 litre , 5 speed manual and it needs periodic manual adjustment. No hydraulic tappets.
time chain not lifetime i read loads of 50-90 k and need replacement
mine 140 k and running
@@Zeonoid u first owner ?
My car at 112k the chain broke. I have to change the whole engine. Lifetime my ass.
@@1337ghomri u can hear it bevore that rattele u prob w8 to long then it can jump or brake
I had a bmw 118d with 200k miles on the clock. Original timing chain and clutch
This machines must had been engineered 40 years ago, so we could have cheap fuel for many years...
fuel will stay cheap, the world has enough oil and hopefully we build nuclear power plants
Кто нибудь!!!! Подскажите пожалуйста!!! Моторесурс 0.9 бензинного двигателя!!! ( рено )
Якщо вірити інженерам Рено,то двигуни проїзджали до 800 000тисяч км.Наприклад мій ваз2107 проїхав 480 000км без ремонту двигуна.Була одна заміна сальників клапанів.Потім машину продав,можливо ще їздить,масло доливав 500 грамів на8000км,але масло лив напівсинтетику neste 10w40 фінське.
Why does Dacia say that you should change the cam chain at 120.000 Km then, if it's "lifetime timing chain"?
If u have change belt in Skoda evry 40k then 120 its good deal ;)
@@KrilanPL89 VAG products are crap, we know.
Yes, is it the lifetime of the car or the lifetime of the chain?
Muy buen video, aunque hubiese preferido que incluyese voz. La música muy adecuada.
Cuesta aceptar que un motor de 900 cc de tres cilindros pueda rendir aceptablemente en un coche de peso moderado. Pero la potencia es la de los primeros Ford Escort 1.600 cc hacia 1980. El par es el de un motor Nissan, también 1.600, de mediados de los ´90, del que tengo buenos recuerdos, solo que el TCe 90 lo ofrece a menos régimen. Entonces, si consume menos e -importante- contamina menos, parece un buen motor si se aspira a un coche fiable para el día a día y no importan lo que digan los amigos "instalados".
i have this engine too, it has Start&Stop in the name but it never seems to work, always StopStart unavailable message on my Control panel. Fuck. Hope it was not taken out, for cost reduction without saying anything. It even has a button to disable it tho. Anyone any idea ?
+Gašper Klančnik Yep stop swearing.
+Gašper Klančnik Engine need to be warm in order to get the start & stop to work. Your commute need to be more than 5/6 Km in order to have the engine to temperature
Put gear in neutral and depress clutch.
when clutch is pressed or the car is in gear it doesnt activate start/stop.
the 3 cylinder renault would be better at 1350cc capacity...or better still i think a 1200cc air cooled V-Twin would be a COOL engine for a compact car..the exhaust sound would be awesome..car companies don't produce affordable Fun cars
3 cylinders have a better torque output. You need torque when you fit a small engine in a car.
Driving this on my gf car sometimes. Much prefer my dual motor on the model Y with 500hp. This feels sooooooo slow.
are u stupid it is a combustion engine
Some day in the future car engines will be built to be easy to repair and maintain.
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Nope not a chance they're harder to work on than ever
Lifetime timing chain is absolute bullshit. The chain in my car became problematic after 150.000 km.
0.9 tce ? Your motor?
@@gabrielsimm1 yeah
Hi, what oil dit you use, 5W30 Castrol?
Only V8
maximum life 120000Km . after that 3000 EUR for overhaul. No thanks
around 250.000 km
A friend saw 550.000km on his taxi
Funny- I have THIS engine in my new car, and it DOESN'T have stop start functionality... Another cost-cutting exercise, Renault / Dacia? Eh????
I have this engine and it have Start and Stop and I always turn it off... I will never understand how people like that feature.
they do have it.
Optional feature, they don't all have it. If you wanted it, should have paid for it.
Me: 1.9 sdi vw engine, no turbo, no variable nothing, nofancy eletronic, consumption 4l /100 km, repairability: its basically an agriculture engine, no joke.
These fancy engines are just disposable crap that no one will repair after it breaks.
I have same 1.9 sdi vw 9n engine
Just got to 126000 miles and think I’ve just run it in ☺️runs like a dream no dpf no turbo best engine I’ve ever used and I’ve run and owned plenty of cars !
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I watched right up to the daft music, then turned off. Another video ruined.
in taxi mode it does not last long, they are weak engines, all 4-piston engines are more reliable
So many moving parts and a turbo and so much more... Time to switch to electric motors
Talk about chronic oil leak.
Seeee all’ accensione un cilindro non funziona finché è freddo nessuno sa sistemare sto difetto ? Accelerazione pessima singhiozza e la frizione stacca male 🤔🤔🤔🤔
La vidéo est sympa !! par contre, ce moteur, c'est de la merde !!! Hs au bout de 50 000 kms !!
And what happens after 300 000km? Lifetime timing chain, ha! good joke Renault!!!
Why do you need the same engine after 300 000 km? People usually prefer to buy used engine than rebuild old.
Only tensioners need to be controlled and you will never have problems with that.
How many people drive cars until 300 000 km? 1% of them?
BMW snaps chains after 60.000, so Renault i'm sure is doing better.
Because it s Nissan
The 1.4 75 hp its better engine no oil leaks ist a 800 000 km engine with Gpl
Wtf
This is the worst engine i have ever seen. I have Renault Clio IV 2013 with this H4B engine. I was driving to work one day and the timing chain tensioner failed and destroyed the whole engine. The car has ONLY done 147tkm with services done on time. Of course manufacturer does not cover any costs over the manufacturing fault. Stay away from Renault.
You should have changed the timing chain when you started to hear the chain making sounds, it s your fault.
_Mr.Claudiu_ Well the chain did not make any sound and its not the chain that failed its the tensioner. Also in the service plan there is no recommendation to change the timing chain or tensioners ever.
@@ticklishlawyer2 Hi, I know it's a 2 year old comment but just out of curiosity, how much did they charged you for repairing the chain tensioner? Did it needed a new engine or did you get rid of the car? Thanks
@@Steven3D8888 Dealer said they wont’t cover anything because the car was just over warranty. I opened the broken engine and it was just too expensive to repair, all valves bent etc. I bought a used replacement engine for the car and changed it myself.
@@ticklishlawyer2 Thanks for the reply, it's so typical that something breaks down just after warranty... Nice skill that you could replace the engine yourself, saves a lot of money! Hopefully you have more luck with the new engine, I assume it's the same type. Cheers
He sounds like a fu...g tractor
it just doesn't though.
Sorry, but no car should have less than 4 cylinders. I would never buy a car with an unbalanced engine. Best choice is an inline 6.
best choice is a v12 ;)
In Europe, we can't aford 6 cylinder engines, not just because of expensive fuel, but also because of high tax on big engines. Also a 3 cylinder sounds better than 4 when reved. It has a more pronunced rumble. I own this engine, and at first I was surprised to see that is faster tham a 1.6 aspirated. Mpgs are awsome. But it may not have a long life. You can't have them all.
I still Drive my lovely BMW 523i e39. Love the 6 cylinder in it. M52b25TU
Unbalanced? Uneven numbers are the best. Your straight six fires in 3 pairs, slightly offset but 3 pairs. Uneven doesn't require balance shafts or other mechanical lumps to equal out the vibration
@@derf9465 a line 6 is the only engine that has zero vibration.
you are correct: zero is less than the vibration of a V8
This is pure bullshit.... Maybe it's good for taxi, uber and so on but for a family car / personal car / highway with friends, this motor is pure crap, you need to rev the shit out of it to produce some decent power
video is very nice however it´s a pure shit in reality... it´s far behind 1.0 ecoboost
I disagree, I have this in the captur and it´s a fantastic little motor
Puretech >> TcE
Good presentation, but crappy little engine.
Black Jack In the Smart this little "Crappy" Engine works very very fine !!
Fedja Drndarski how would you know?
Not at all, very good and lean little engine.
Have you driven one of these? I like them alot, im thinking of getting an old lancer (same chassi as the Evo 6) and swap one of these boys in there! Sound is amazing and the engine is good enough for every day use, with a bigger turbo and some more turbo noises it would be a blast while still being able to fuel it.
This engine is big peace of s..t
it just isn't though, works fine.
Perfectly good little engine, sounds nice, makes plenty enough power for the cars it's fitted to.
Had this on a rental car : utter junk. To be fair, the whole car was junk. It's sad that Renault got trapped into that niche of cars for old retired people lacking taste. They have the capabilities to produce decent cars, given their experience in F1 and all but seem to have dropped even the idea of producing good cars and challenging German brands.
First name : idiot; Lastname: Unclever...
The fact they use their knowledge and lessons learned in F1 to design and engineer their road car engines says you don't know what you're talking about
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