Even more fitting would be Ravenswatch i think, a co-op roguelite that came out a few months ago where you have a set amount of days to prepare for a boss fight in each biome.
Reminder that From Software made Sekiro and revived Armored Core with AC6 explicitly BECAUSE they don't want to be "The Dark Souls" developers. And Miyazaki-san has said that he WANTS the new, young talent to flourish. And I will personally give blind faith to From Soft. They've earned it. 15 years down the line, and they haven't made a bad game to their audience. If the worst thing they can say about Dark Souls 2 is "it's bad *_compared_* to Dark Souls and Dark Souls 3", that sounds like high praise to me because of rightfully high expectations.
If you're not excited for Nightreign then be excited for the lessons FS will learn, and the features they'll innovate and implement into their next big game. FS is an iterative company, and I've not been disappointed for the decade I've played their games. So they're worth giving the benefit of the doubt.
Definitely gana pass on this. Don't like Fromsoft lack of good pvp lately. Fromsoft makes the best fighting RPG games ever . I feel like this is a wrong step into the casual Market
@@Hungo80k It's just an experimental title, Miyazaki is letting other people direct games. We can't simultaneously decry FS as only releasing Soulslikes(which is false) and then be mad FS moves out of their comfort zone and experiments.
@@Hungo80kThere was a time when I would've shared this sentiment, but From haven't managed to get PvP working well since DS2 in my opinion. I gave up seeking it long ago.
This is a brilliant move by FromSoft. Massive success with ER, orders of magnitude greater than previous titles fills the coffers. Now they can make a few small budget games, experiment, innovate, go crazy creatively... and still have that ER money to keep them afloat. Meantime, they see what fans like in those small projects & begin their next big IP with all the lessons learned on value size budget games like Night Reign.
I dig it. It's just dumb fun that I will enjoy until the next Miyazaki game. Also, this explain why Fromsoftware was so quick about gaining full rights over the Elden Ring IP over BandaiNamco. Because, if they didn't, this would have been the first of many "side projects" involving the milking of the IP
Thats actually not why. If they didnt own the IP theyd need to clear any and all projects with the holding company first like how Sony owns the Bloodborne IP and even if Fromsoft wanted to do something with it, they cant because they dont own the IP.
I saw that the reception of the trailer was... lukewarm from a lot of people, but I'm positive about it. Even though I might not end up playing it, I like seeing studios experiment and try something new. But we'll see when we get there.
Very interested to see how this turns out. An Elden Ring rogue like sounds dope. Been playing a lot of co op but always wished it was more optimized for multiplayer.
Im willing to give it a try. The addition of new mechanics, a new world and a different game structure makes me excited for this game. It’s really cool that they are trying new things tells me they don’t want to grow stale.
One thing this trailer has made realize I wanted is different races on character creation, Elder Scrolls style, for future titles. Human, Skeleton, Lycanthrope, Dragonman, Birdman, Insectman, Cauliflowerman, Manman.... I believe it'd make character creation even more engaging.
Elden Ring already has character creation with multiple races, but ik what you mean. Still, I do think it would introduce problems with armor and such that would be better avoided.
@@confusionthe2nd51 If the creature had additional limbs, armor would have to be changed. This has been _sort of_ dealt with in the past, with the Dragon Torso Stone. I wouldn't mind if the different "races" were fairly similar, with the same skeleton and different visuals, a couple of passive abilities and maybe stances - like with the Beast-Embraced in Bloodborne.
I think they'd have to drop PvP at that point. Readability is important, and right now you know broadly what your opponent can do in a moment by looking at their big weapons, but having meaning racial abilities hidden beneath a full set for armour would make knowing what you're fighting difficult.
@@garjian0 I mean not really it can work as with bosses by making their moveset readable. Racial features can also be pretty miniscule, like they did it with Elden ring DLC where you transform into an Omen or humanoid Dragon. Though the only problem would be making armor to wear like for example helmets and the sets available would be limited.
It sounds interesting, but I hope they figure out a way to keep it fresh without needing constant updates. I think each run should limit your options by like having the circle not take up the whole map and be somewhat random, like a BR. You would have to mix up your runs each time because you would be forced to. It being able to be played solo and offline is a very good move as well. I’m exited, but a little worried.
My one concern is that this is contributing more to the death of invasions. I know it’s not really a popular mechanic with most of the fan base but it is so goddamn unique for the people who do like it. I think it was done terribly in ER, tying it solely to co-op and then providing like zero incentives for co-opers to kill invaders, and invaders getting nothing out of it, so the whole thing became a vicious cycle. It was in a good place in DS3, why have they walked it back so much?
Getting useless covenant items were never a useful reward The balance for it is perfect, it should ONLY br there if the host has an ally on the field because. It is literally zero challenge for the invader if the host is solo and has to deal with the invader along side enemies. Having allies on the field actually encourages the host try and actually fight the invader instead of instant disconnect.
Invasions just sucked in general. A lot of people just want to play the game or do challenge runs. It doesn't feel good to be going through a dungeon or new area that's pvp central and get invaded by a sweat lord every five feet. The only reason to invade was for achievements, cool weapons or spell from a covenant, or just the pure joy of ruining someone else's day
I am stoked about this. I mean, this is the company that makes games purely to challenge players and to show that they can overcome any obstacle. So of they're willing to try something new, then I'm excited to see how it pans out.
What terrifies me as well as many other Souls fans is where this leads. If this was just a one-off experimentation kind of game and they still continued to make the single-player/campaign focused/story driven games we love then fine I'm down with it, but with pretty much every other developer thats not how it's gone. It's very worrisome. Great break down though you have actually eased some of my fears and gotten me a little excited for this.
This is literally industry-standard live-service gameplay, even if it's not live-service. Anyone who thinks they're innovating has a really strange take on innovation.
The more I think about this project, the more I like it. The whole thing screams experiment to me. They want to play fast and loose with mechanics and concepts not usually found in souls games while allowing a new director (who Miyazaki chose to lead a project) to stretch his creative legs and gain some experience building a game, while not having to worry about budgets so much since they already have tons of assets to play with. I know that there is a lot of pessimism floating around but its unfounded for now, and it is actually a good thing to see a studio experiment with smaller projects. Taking risks is how you find new ideas that can make future games better or it can even spin off into its own new thing. If it doesn't pan out, then that's OK too, this is the studio that makes games centered around failure and self improvement after all.
Check out Ravenswatch, a rougelike that just released. Nightreign literally is the same formula. 15 stages to explore and power up, then a boss. Repeat 3 times to win. Ravenswatch looks like Hades, I like the Elden Ring style fast gameplay even more
I'm really excited to see how this turns out. It sounds really interesting and it could be tons of fun! Seems like a great way to get me to try running something other than a dualweilding Dex build every time I play XD Even if it turns out to be mid, it's great to see experimentation being done. I hope From Soft continues with their bigger games and have smaller experimental titles in the future. It gives us more games, as the smaller ones can be done on a lesser budget, and it lets them experiment to find new cool ways of adapting the genre. Maybe every experiment won't be a massive W, but overall it should give us more unique experiences
I'm here for nightreign. I rejoiced to hear the news as well, something really new fun and interesting out of from soft that will allow them to innovate and hopefully develop some boss AI that is better able to handle multiple enemies. The base premise of the game is sound I think, the only thing that worries me is asset reuse. I don't mind asset reuse as much as some, I actually like the idea of DS bosses showing up, and I didn't mind fighting ERs minibosses multiple times either, but only to a point. It's the 12 basic dragons and erdtree avatars is where I draw the line, that is clearly excessive. If I finish a night in nightreign and they throw 3 erdtree avatars at me for me and my friends to fight ill be disappointed. Not every boss needs to unique, but they need to be smarter and less excessive with their asset reuse. It will be especially evident and egregious when we are doing round after round after round if we are fighting the same enemies and bosses. I hope they've got their enemy design teams busy.
All I was looking forward to at the game awards was a possible Fromsoft announcement since so much of whats been coming out has been multiplayer just to get a multiplayer game from them too lol. Looks like it could be fun if you have friends to play it with like any other Co op type game but solo or with randos would be rough and I've tried that route many times before and it's always disappointing. I pretty much feel like I'm locked out of it
Somehow this video made me both more hopeful and more skeptical of this release. Because all of the new gameplay changes--aside from the in game currency stuff--all sound very interesting and cool. The problem is the game they're being implemented into. Elden Ring's combat system isn't really that great at being either an action game or an RPG, because it's trying to do both. So this game tethering itself at least somewhat to that system is a red flag. Also, I'm very apprehensive about the randomization of the map and encounters. Yes, the randomizer mod is popular, but it's also notorious for having some really cursed seeds. Another concern is that all of the boss designs then have to be changed to try and work in every conceivable arena, which we've already been shown doesn't work with things like the dragon fights in the base game and DLC. And finally, I know a lot of people will defend the shameless reusing of assets by arguing that "they want to improve those fights" or that "they're trying to save money". For the first argument, why would rebalancing the fight for multiplayer necessarily make it better? And based on the track record of boss design in Elden Ring, the redesigns will most likely just add a bunch of flashy and superfluous moves that end up taking away from the original fight. As for the second defense, do people realize just how much money ER made? It has sold 28.6 million copies so far. Not even including the extra price of the 40$ DLC, at 70 dollars per copy that's over 2 BILLION dollars in revenue. Idc how much the game costs to make or market, that's still a fat payday of at the very least over a billion dollars. No one was expecting Fromsoft to release a game next year either, so people that are saying that these more original games take time to make aren't really defending the issue. I want them to take more time, I don't necessarily want a new game next year if it's going to be this derivative. And finally, reusing old bosses severely limits the creativity of encounters and combat. I would much prefer a bigger focus on creative, puzzle type fights like akin to those in Demons Souls, where most bosses have some sort of exploitable weakness. One example of a new concept could be a take on a duo boss where one enemy is speedy, agile, jumping around on walls and pillars, staying out of your reach while using ranged attacks but has relatively low HP, so knocking them down from a perch or catching them off guard could spell game over for that enemy, while the other is a brutish tank that charges at you from close range. Therefore, you could implement a more vertical arena that's tailored to this fight to make sure the player can handle both as they see fit. Maybe they want to keep their distance from the tank, so they stay high up or at range, but then have to deal with constant pressure from the ranged boss. Or you could strategically bait the ranged boss into a corner or trap scenario, or use tools to knock them down and finish them off. But relying on old boss designs means that they're stuck with the same concepts and limitations of those past games.
this sounds awesome, the open world aspect suffocated the replayability of elden ring, after 120 hours of wandering and exploring I'm more than happy to dive into the action, and to have a strictly cooperative souls-adjacent experience seemingly without invaders sounds like a dream come true
Good on them for experimenting with new concepts but I can't say I'm not disappointed with this. The exploration and progression of Elden Ring were my favorite thing about the game and the bosses were my least favorite so I really don't think this game will be for me.
My favorite Fromsoft games are the ones that take more of an action/combat focus. Sekiro and Bloodborne. Cut out the long runs for specific loot to try builds. Sounds great to me. The biggest problem for me with replayability of elden ring is your third or fourth playthrough. The slog to just get the equipment you need to try a build can be annoying.
Seems I’m in the minority, but being a from fan since demons souls, this is not why I loved those games. Also I don’t like rogue likes, tho I admit it’s a popular genre. This thing seems a hard pass for me
@@rocstarang5747why do people get so worked up over companies reusing assets from previous games? Do you really expect them to make a whole new game asset by asset from the ground up when half the assets they need could just be repurposed from a previous game?
Right there with ya. The things I've loved most about Souls games are the world designs, 1v1 boss fights, and the lore deep dives and theory crafting the community does. This seems to be removing all of that. I don't mind that they're making it, but I have basically 0 interest in it.
@@Natediggetydog just because I said "blatant" doesn't mean I'm opposed to it. I used to say it's a shame companies don't recycle their open worlds. Like GTA 4 did with it's DLC. TBoGT is some of my favorite Rockstar content ever, for example.
I haven't even played base Elden Ring... I loved Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3. Have 100's of hours in each of 'em... but I've only been able to put 7h into Elden Ring, and every time I turn the game on I am instantly and immediately disinterested and bored by it. I don't even know why.
Tbh I'm not interested in Elden Ring in playing it at all, I'm just not looking for that kind of challenge in my video games for the vast majority of that, the game just sounds infuriating to me personally. But I'm glad Elden Ring has done well and I do hope it does well here too. Plus I didn't even know what the freak this was so glad to be informed on it. Thanks Thievery of Mugs. 👍
If it ain’t broke done fix it. I don’t understand this “need” to do something “new”. Not saying change is bad, but if it isn’t needed, why force it? When you change things just for the sake of changing things, you only risk failure since failure was never something you were on course to contend with
Purple is part of the night, especially when sun comes down, and when sun comes down it means that night is beginning (like said in the trailer). It's all with theme.
Actually this is called "bisexual lighting" and it's used to indicate softer intentions and queerness. I'm not making this up. The color gradient is a signal that there is a queer focus in the game.
Ahh yes another Roguelike, do repeated runs where you start with nothing, earn some neat stuff, and then lose it again when you start the next run. Some games do it right where every run let's you upgrade base stats or traits to feel like there's actually progression. Others.... The beginning is a slog every time and then it's boring. "Streamlining" is not a good thing in Elden Ring as they described. Bosses that used to take an hour by themselves if you were new or inexperienced are now supposed to take a few minutes to kill before the next 15 minute day??? That's sounds like baby mode. Either way it sounds like a spinoff cash grab. Maybe a play to make their valuation look better before a Sony buyout like what bungie did. We'll have to see.
A cash grab would be something low effort, low risk, with a high price tag. This is a lot of effort to change the core design of a major IP which is a major risk whether you recognize it as one or not as internally if it doesnt go well would not just discourage fromsoft from trying to experiment as much but also other developers.
It's FromSoft, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they'll be the devs who finally get me to really enjoy roguelike/lite gameplay loops. Hades is there, of course, but Hades is really its own unique beast in this space, so I feel like I can hardly count it. I'm most excited to see how Nightreign will push the already impeccable Souls combat into something even greater. The fluidity and expression of movement in the trailer already was enough to sell me on it, and I bet that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Thing is, this is not “trying something new” and it’s not “a new direction”. This is FromSoftware taking a major step into mainstream appeal, pandering to the lowest common denominator and it’s a step we never ever thought they would take. It’s a direction we’ve seen nearly every major game studio travel and we know how tragic the fate of the artistry usually becomes. They’ve very blatantly stolen elements from every trendy game and slapped an Elden Ring sticker on it to make sure it sells a ton (which I’m sure it will). There is literally 0 risk involved, at least not financially. And the fact they’ve carelessly put it next to Elden Ring will forever damage the original and appear as a blemish on a otherwise true modern masterpiece. All that being said, I have no doubt it’s going to be a great game and a fun experience, but it’s simultaneously the first true step of what will probably be a degradation of arguably the greatest and undoubtedly the most artistic video game company of our age. This is exactly what some fans feared following the success of Elden Ring. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
No offense, but Elden Ring and even the Souls franchise at large already IS mainstream. And pretending as if FromSoftware isn’t a mainstream company is incredibly incorrect. Elden Ring itself was already a huge step into mainstream by way of an open world. This game is FromSoftware attempting to delve into other genres and getting out of their comfort zone. They COULD just continue making games with the exact same formula and getting money but instead they’re willing to try something new even if it’s not a very risky attempt. That alone should justify this game’s existence, not to mention a focus on Co-op is likely due to FromSoftware wanting to improve their capability with Co-op, which is very welcome considering multiplayer in basically all of their recent games have been very weak and more of an add on than a true feature. Also, you could serve yourself better if you stopped making judgements on a company and its future of a single trailer, we don’t even know what half the playable characters in this game look like and you’re considering the game a cheap rip off. Do yourself a favor and have a little faith in a company that’s more than earned the benefit of the doubt. And finally, there is quite literally nothing wrong with a company wanting to take from popular concepts in gaming for their new game, ESPECIALLY if FromSoftware wants to considering how much of gaming has been, not so subtly, trying to copy and achieve the success that FromSoftware has achieved. But also calling what we’ve seen “copying” isn’t correct, if we called everything that was inspired by something else a copy, well we might as well just write off every open world game that’s released in the last decade, including Elden Ring.
@Phikinnie First of all I more than respect your opinion and at the very least we can agree that we all simply put just don’t want FromSoftware to change their very important and much beloved values when it comes to game direction. That being said, I don’t agree with the premise of Elden Ring and the rest of the Souls games being mainstream at all. If you’ve played them all, which I’m sure you have, you’ll probably agree that most Souls titles have always been or at least felt open world to a large extent and Elden Ring was a much more natural progression of the series, albeit a phenomenal one. And the main factor of mainstream really isn’t popularity; anything can potentially gain mainstream popularity by being “too”infectiously good but there is obviously a clear distinction between pandering to mainstream audiences and making a product so groundbreaking that you pull the mainstream to you. FromSoftware have up until now almost uniquely been pioneers of the latter and shown the world how you can still gain mainstream-level success without sacrificing your originality and artistry. If an innovative gourmet restaurant suddenly became the most popular in the business due to their sheer and undeniable quality, that doesn’t automatically make them the new McDonald’s. But if the company themselves then suddenly started introducing Big Macs and chicken nuggets to the menu, well then they’re certainly heading in a worrying direction when it comes to core values. In the end it really just depends on how much you value these independent pieces of artistry, lots of people just want fun games and don’t necessarily connect with a game on a deeper level and that’s totally fair and just as viable. Some people really care about consistency and preserving masterpieces while some people get very excited when Spider-Man shows up in the new Captain America movie. Some of us really need and value these experiences of connecting with an art piece on a profound level and being reached and touched on a greatly subconscious, pre-developmental stage of one’s own psychology. Elden Ring changed my life, it is undeniably a true modern masterpiece, but now it’s irreversibly going to also be an easily digestible, drop-in-from-the-battle-bus hero-“shooter” with more than a dozen gameplay tropes you’d also find in Fortnite and every other live service game out there. It’s not a flattering look and quite honestly it’s a disgrace to the original. Had this been the same concept but instead accompanied by a new IP set in a new location with new designs and characters, it would’ve landed much softer - but it probably also wouldn’t sell as well, which very clearly is the main and frankly the only apparent point of this release.
As a roguelite addict I'm always happy to see a large and established studio make one. I get that people might have reservations based on the removal of what might be considered the "soul" of elden ring, but this kind of experimentation is something that has been desperately missing from the AAA space these days. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of their efforts. Hopefully we get a wonderful new roguelite out of it.
I'm going to enjoy it and have a ton of fun with it, but I would be lying if I say that I don't find the reuse of the Dark Souls bosses a bit distasteful. I know those are high-quality assets and reusing them is more efficient, but it makes wonder, doesn't Elden Ring alone already have a lot of high quality assets to use? Why not use only things from that IP? Doesn't Elden Ring have a metric ton of cool and iconic bosses already? Why bring Dark Souls again? That's my only main problem with the game, because it seems the only valid answer to those questions is a shameless and blatant milking of an IP😕 And Fromsoftware was supposed to be above that...
Fromsoft seem to be reusing assets in the best way possible. I’ll hold my opinion until I get to play it but I am excited to be able to play ER coop with my wife without dealing with invasions
I love roguelites and i love Souls games so i'm VERY intrigued by this concept. I understand people having reservations because it isn't a "true" Elden Ring 2 but it's still great to see FromSoft trying new things. As long is it doesn't take until 2030 until we get another "traditional" game from them i'm more than happy if they explore different genres. Edit: The concept of having a set amount of days to get stronger, gathering gear (or skills) and doing your best to get as strong as possible to face off against the bosses sounds a lot like Ravenswatch, another Co-Op roguelite that came out a few months ago. Highly recommend trying that out, it does get a bit repetitive after extended play since there's not a lot of variety in bosses or enemies but still great fun.
twitter and twitch have been hilarious over this. it's so funny to see the people that can't take these games for what they are in a laid-back casual manner, and feel compelled to treat them like the holy grail of high art, losing their minds over this "commercial" move and scrambling to contextualize it 😂
Fromsoft and Kadokawa weren't even purchased by sony at the time but yet they were already making a game that looks like a lazy cash grab judging by the trailer. I'm not sure if it will be bad, of course, but this is not the game I was ever expecting Fromsoft to be making. Hard pass. Going to wait for news on Armored Core 6 DLC or next soulsborne game.
@@killsode4760 I don't have problems with people trying something new. I have a problem when people slap the existing franchise's logo onto something that doesn't seem relevant to the franchise. I don't like the idea of spinoffs in general even though I have strong exceptions.
@@Kreozot2D i completely ignore ppl that use the words cash grab without much thought put into their opinion. read up on interviews of this game, the games director has been with fromsoft since ds1, and he wanted to do something similar to this ever since ds2 released but had no resources or approvals.
@flamingmanure You don't seem to have ignored me. So I will explain if you are interested. We can see many familiar assets from Elden Ring in this game, both environment models and textures, and character models, be it players or NPCs. This is presumed to be sold as a standalone game but it has it's assets already made years ago. How much effort is put into this game's world and it's original content? It doesn't seem like anything comparable to the shadow of the erd tree dlc. So this is why I used the words "lazy cashgrab". It feels like it's a very rough and hastily made project. It feels like they wanted to make something new but didn't want to spend time on building a new lore for a new game. It feels like they are using Elden Ring's name to kickstart another project without putting any effort into it on it's own, just like disney used mandalorian season 2 to kickstart book of bobba fett, ashoka and whatever else they tried to ctrl+c-ctrl+v. I would prefer Fromsoftware to spend time and resources on making the next big project be it a DLC, sequel or a new IP. I feel like if this spinoff will be a flop they will lose the momentum that they earned with Elden Ring, AC6 and shadow of the erd tree, and less people will be there when they release something that fromsoft fans expect from them. You disagree - more power to you. You are interested in this game - I'm not here to take that from you. I've expressed how it looks to me, and why specifically I am not conviced that I should spend my money and time on this game.
Yes, it's not going to be a live-service game, but people are unable to put two and two together to recognize that it has the ARCHITECTURE of one, which means they're training up their new mandatory live-service division with this, and I'm going to be there will bet sneaky DLCs and "definitely not" microtransactions if it's popular enough.
great video, love and agree with your overall perspective on the topic!! i have never gotten into a rogue like, and a lot of people were disappointed with diablo 4. fromsoft said “hold my beer, i got this”
I think the most apt comparison is risk of rain 2 tbh
Even more fitting would be Ravenswatch i think, a co-op roguelite that came out a few months ago where you have a set amount of days to prepare for a boss fight in each biome.
A ROR-Like would be amazing.
Never played RoR, but Im a very Big fan of games like The Binding of Isaac.
I was totally gonna say Ravenswatch, but @gharon beat me to it lmao
1300h in ER, 160h in RoR2, 120h in Dead Cells, 105h in Hades, I was made for this game. Now I just need 2 friends lmao
Reminder that From Software made Sekiro and revived Armored Core with AC6 explicitly BECAUSE they don't want to be "The Dark Souls" developers. And Miyazaki-san has said that he WANTS the new, young talent to flourish.
And I will personally give blind faith to From Soft. They've earned it. 15 years down the line, and they haven't made a bad game to their audience. If the worst thing they can say about Dark Souls 2 is "it's bad *_compared_* to Dark Souls and Dark Souls 3", that sounds like high praise to me because of rightfully high expectations.
They heard us asking for a boss rush mode and they said "bet" 😂
I wished they fixed covenants . Souls games are the best fighting games ever .Just being coop sounds so boring
@Hungo80k Agree to disagree
Suddenly it's 2019 again
If you're not excited for Nightreign then be excited for the lessons FS will learn, and the features they'll innovate and implement into their next big game. FS is an iterative company, and I've not been disappointed for the decade I've played their games. So they're worth giving the benefit of the doubt.
Definitely gana pass on this. Don't like Fromsoft lack of good pvp lately. Fromsoft makes the best fighting RPG games ever . I feel like this is a wrong step into the casual Market
Thing I love about fromsoft is that if they fail they learn upon it and move forward without laying people off like most other companies do
@@Hungo80k It's just an experimental title, Miyazaki is letting other people direct games. We can't simultaneously decry FS as only releasing Soulslikes(which is false) and then be mad FS moves out of their comfort zone and experiments.
You mean Sony?
@@Hungo80kThere was a time when I would've shared this sentiment, but From haven't managed to get PvP working well since DS2 in my opinion. I gave up seeking it long ago.
This is a brilliant move by FromSoft. Massive success with ER, orders of magnitude greater than previous titles fills the coffers. Now they can make a few small budget games, experiment, innovate, go crazy creatively... and still have that ER money to keep them afloat. Meantime, they see what fans like in those small projects & begin their next big IP with all the lessons learned on value size budget games like Night Reign.
Exactly! Those smaller projects are also the best for rising new directors in the team!
I dig it. It's just dumb fun that I will enjoy until the next Miyazaki game.
Also, this explain why Fromsoftware was so quick about gaining full rights over the Elden Ring IP over BandaiNamco. Because, if they didn't, this would have been the first of many "side projects" involving the milking of the IP
Thats actually not why. If they didnt own the IP theyd need to clear any and all projects with the holding company first like how Sony owns the Bloodborne IP and even if Fromsoft wanted to do something with it, they cant because they dont own the IP.
I saw that the reception of the trailer was... lukewarm from a lot of people, but I'm positive about it. Even though I might not end up playing it, I like seeing studios experiment and try something new. But we'll see when we get there.
Very interested to see how this turns out. An Elden Ring rogue like sounds dope. Been playing a lot of co op but always wished it was more optimized for multiplayer.
Im willing to give it a try. The addition of new mechanics, a new world and a different game structure makes me excited for this game. It’s really cool that they are trying new things tells me they don’t want to grow stale.
One thing this trailer has made realize I wanted is different races on character creation, Elder Scrolls style, for future titles. Human, Skeleton, Lycanthrope, Dragonman, Birdman, Insectman, Cauliflowerman, Manman.... I believe it'd make character creation even more engaging.
Elden Ring already has character creation with multiple races, but ik what you mean. Still, I do think it would introduce problems with armor and such that would be better avoided.
Skeleton is hardly a race more like new kind.
@@confusionthe2nd51 If the creature had additional limbs, armor would have to be changed. This has been _sort of_ dealt with in the past, with the Dragon Torso Stone.
I wouldn't mind if the different "races" were fairly similar, with the same skeleton and different visuals, a couple of passive abilities and maybe stances - like with the Beast-Embraced in Bloodborne.
I think they'd have to drop PvP at that point. Readability is important, and right now you know broadly what your opponent can do in a moment by looking at their big weapons, but having meaning racial abilities hidden beneath a full set for armour would make knowing what you're fighting difficult.
@@garjian0 I mean not really it can work as with bosses by making their moveset readable.
Racial features can also be pretty miniscule, like they did it with Elden ring DLC where you transform into an Omen or humanoid Dragon.
Though the only problem would be making armor to wear like for example helmets and the sets available would be limited.
It sounds interesting, but I hope they figure out a way to keep it fresh without needing constant updates. I think each run should limit your options by like having the circle not take up the whole map and be somewhat random, like a BR. You would have to mix up your runs each time because you would be forced to.
It being able to be played solo and offline is a very good move as well.
I’m exited, but a little worried.
I love roguelikes but I hate timers/countdowns. I dunno if I'll get this one, I guess I'll wait for more info to come out.
Hey Mug, been loving your latest videos, I did not know that you cover Souls games, great! I'm so excited about this game!
I would recommend the three videos I did on Shadow of the Erdtree. I think they're really good, but I might be biased.
The problem is it's recyclomania and cash grab
Goys will consume it anyway and ask for more
My one concern is that this is contributing more to the death of invasions. I know it’s not really a popular mechanic with most of the fan base but it is so goddamn unique for the people who do like it. I think it was done terribly in ER, tying it solely to co-op and then providing like zero incentives for co-opers to kill invaders, and invaders getting nothing out of it, so the whole thing became a vicious cycle. It was in a good place in DS3, why have they walked it back so much?
Getting useless covenant items were never a useful reward
The balance for it is perfect, it should ONLY br there if the host has an ally on the field because. It is literally zero challenge for the invader if the host is solo and has to deal with the invader along side enemies.
Having allies on the field actually encourages the host try and actually fight the invader instead of instant disconnect.
Invasions just sucked in general. A lot of people just want to play the game or do challenge runs. It doesn't feel good to be going through a dungeon or new area that's pvp central and get invaded by a sweat lord every five feet. The only reason to invade was for achievements, cool weapons or spell from a covenant, or just the pure joy of ruining someone else's day
Because Fromsoft does not want to be a one trick pony company. They want to expand their games and portfolio with more than one type of game.
This sounds like Survival mode in Remnant: From the ashes.
Never expected for From to drop something like this lol im kinda interested. Ill try it, but doubt ill fall in love with it. Idk i hope its good
I am stoked about this. I mean, this is the company that makes games purely to challenge players and to show that they can overcome any obstacle. So of they're willing to try something new, then I'm excited to see how it pans out.
idk about the hades comparison, sure it has roguelite elements, but it feels more like a monster hunter apparently.
FromSoft took three big risks with Dark Souls 2, Bloodborne and Sekiro. Mostly they succeed when they try something different.
What terrifies me as well as many other Souls fans is where this leads. If this was just a one-off experimentation kind of game and they still continued to make the single-player/campaign focused/story driven games we love then fine I'm down with it, but with pretty much every other developer thats not how it's gone. It's very worrisome.
Great break down though you have actually eased some of my fears and gotten me a little excited for this.
Its not Miyazaki making it and he wants to have more dirctors at his company.
I like that they’re doing something different. We need that in this industry.
This is literally industry-standard live-service gameplay, even if it's not live-service. Anyone who thinks they're innovating has a really strange take on innovation.
The more I think about this project, the more I like it. The whole thing screams experiment to me. They want to play fast and loose with mechanics and concepts not usually found in souls games while allowing a new director (who Miyazaki chose to lead a project) to stretch his creative legs and gain some experience building a game, while not having to worry about budgets so much since they already have tons of assets to play with.
I know that there is a lot of pessimism floating around but its unfounded for now, and it is actually a good thing to see a studio experiment with smaller projects. Taking risks is how you find new ideas that can make future games better or it can even spin off into its own new thing. If it doesn't pan out, then that's OK too, this is the studio that makes games centered around failure and self improvement after all.
Whoa, this seems interesting. I just got the dlc yesterday.
It was time Fromsoft fixed their coop system and innovate the souls combat. Elden Ring lacked so much from both of these.
You can play alone. It's going to be hard as balls though.
I definitely need to hear more about it, not sure it sounds like my jam.
Obviously this is just a fill in game to hold us over between From's major releases. Im here for that!
Yet so many people are already saying its joever and that its just the same as a big game when the playtest hasn’t even happened yet 😞
have faith in baby Miyazaki. If Miyazaki trusts him, I do.
Check out Ravenswatch, a rougelike that just released. Nightreign literally is the same formula. 15 stages to explore and power up, then a boss. Repeat 3 times to win. Ravenswatch looks like Hades, I like the Elden Ring style fast gameplay even more
I'm really excited to see how this turns out. It sounds really interesting and it could be tons of fun! Seems like a great way to get me to try running something other than a dualweilding Dex build every time I play XD
Even if it turns out to be mid, it's great to see experimentation being done. I hope From Soft continues with their bigger games and have smaller experimental titles in the future. It gives us more games, as the smaller ones can be done on a lesser budget, and it lets them experiment to find new cool ways of adapting the genre. Maybe every experiment won't be a massive W, but overall it should give us more unique experiences
Here's some extra engagement. Sounds like they are going from one genre I'm not interested in to another genre I'm not interested in.
I've been meaning to play these games forever. I should probably get to it.
I hope next game will be an extraction shooter with bows and dung pies
On paper the games sounds amazing i hope they deliver and will get constant support like new maps enemies bosses skins weapons etc
wow i haven't seen a mug video in so long
I'm here for nightreign. I rejoiced to hear the news as well, something really new fun and interesting out of from soft that will allow them to innovate and hopefully develop some boss AI that is better able to handle multiple enemies. The base premise of the game is sound I think, the only thing that worries me is asset reuse. I don't mind asset reuse as much as some, I actually like the idea of DS bosses showing up, and I didn't mind fighting ERs minibosses multiple times either, but only to a point. It's the 12 basic dragons and erdtree avatars is where I draw the line, that is clearly excessive. If I finish a night in nightreign and they throw 3 erdtree avatars at me for me and my friends to fight ill be disappointed. Not every boss needs to unique, but they need to be smarter and less excessive with their asset reuse. It will be especially evident and egregious when we are doing round after round after round if we are fighting the same enemies and bosses. I hope they've got their enemy design teams busy.
honestly elden ring nightreing is the best send off to from software making souls likes until sony buy's them that is
All I was looking forward to at the game awards was a possible Fromsoft announcement since so much of whats been coming out has been multiplayer just to get a multiplayer game from them too lol.
Looks like it could be fun if you have friends to play it with like any other Co op type game but solo or with randos would be rough and I've tried that route many times before and it's always disappointing. I pretty much feel like I'm locked out of it
Think theyre allowing 5mins for each night's boss, so 60mins instead of 45mins
Somehow this video made me both more hopeful and more skeptical of this release. Because all of the new gameplay changes--aside from the in game currency stuff--all sound very interesting and cool. The problem is the game they're being implemented into. Elden Ring's combat system isn't really that great at being either an action game or an RPG, because it's trying to do both. So this game tethering itself at least somewhat to that system is a red flag. Also, I'm very apprehensive about the randomization of the map and encounters. Yes, the randomizer mod is popular, but it's also notorious for having some really cursed seeds. Another concern is that all of the boss designs then have to be changed to try and work in every conceivable arena, which we've already been shown doesn't work with things like the dragon fights in the base game and DLC. And finally, I know a lot of people will defend the shameless reusing of assets by arguing that "they want to improve those fights" or that "they're trying to save money". For the first argument, why would rebalancing the fight for multiplayer necessarily make it better? And based on the track record of boss design in Elden Ring, the redesigns will most likely just add a bunch of flashy and superfluous moves that end up taking away from the original fight. As for the second defense, do people realize just how much money ER made? It has sold 28.6 million copies so far. Not even including the extra price of the 40$ DLC, at 70 dollars per copy that's over 2 BILLION dollars in revenue. Idc how much the game costs to make or market, that's still a fat payday of at the very least over a billion dollars. No one was expecting Fromsoft to release a game next year either, so people that are saying that these more original games take time to make aren't really defending the issue. I want them to take more time, I don't necessarily want a new game next year if it's going to be this derivative. And finally, reusing old bosses severely limits the creativity of encounters and combat. I would much prefer a bigger focus on creative, puzzle type fights like akin to those in Demons Souls, where most bosses have some sort of exploitable weakness. One example of a new concept could be a take on a duo boss where one enemy is speedy, agile, jumping around on walls and pillars, staying out of your reach while using ranged attacks but has relatively low HP, so knocking them down from a perch or catching them off guard could spell game over for that enemy, while the other is a brutish tank that charges at you from close range. Therefore, you could implement a more vertical arena that's tailored to this fight to make sure the player can handle both as they see fit. Maybe they want to keep their distance from the tank, so they stay high up or at range, but then have to deal with constant pressure from the ranged boss. Or you could strategically bait the ranged boss into a corner or trap scenario, or use tools to knock them down and finish them off.
But relying on old boss designs means that they're stuck with the same concepts and limitations of those past games.
this sounds awesome, the open world aspect suffocated the replayability of elden ring, after 120 hours of wandering and exploring I'm more than happy to dive into the action, and to have a strictly cooperative souls-adjacent experience seemingly without invaders sounds like a dream come true
still sounds kinda monster hunter ish.. go in, explore a bit, fight a boss, get rewards, improve gear, repeat...
This is exactly where my mind went as soon as I saw it announced. As a big MH fan I don’t mind
I mean Elden ring did some references to monster hunter, so it was clear that they go in this direction.
@@rafsandomierz5313 i just hope for a DLC in monhun as crosover using Veil the dragon in Mon Hun Wilds. just imagine!!
@@mapplehitoritheartist9114Sounds like pointless slop.
We still need Kuon 2 and a PC port for Bloodborne.
Good on them for experimenting with new concepts but I can't say I'm not disappointed with this. The exploration and progression of Elden Ring were my favorite thing about the game and the bosses were my least favorite so I really don't think this game will be for me.
Same. I like exploration over boss fights
It’s Space Maine 2 but Elden Ring Edition. I trust the company to succeed.
I have watched several videos, but can't seem to pinpoint which part of this is "roguelike"?
Rogue-lite, not Roguelike. It has elements of Roguelike games but diluted to some extent to fit the Elden Ring gameplay formula.
Great video, I had no idea what the game was actually supposed to be from the reveal trailer. Seems interesting! 👍
My favorite Fromsoft games are the ones that take more of an action/combat focus. Sekiro and Bloodborne. Cut out the long runs for specific loot to try builds. Sounds great to me. The biggest problem for me with replayability of elden ring is your third or fourth playthrough. The slog to just get the equipment you need to try a build can be annoying.
2025 with no cross play is abhorrent
Bro I was excited and thought it was a mmo until i learned more about it and now yeah idk
Seems I’m in the minority, but being a from fan since demons souls, this is not why I loved those games. Also I don’t like rogue likes, tho I admit it’s a popular genre. This thing seems a hard pass for me
Especially with the blatant (for From) reuse of assets. I'll definitely wait for reviews to drop.
@@rocstarang5747why do people get so worked up over companies reusing assets from previous games? Do you really expect them to make a whole new game asset by asset from the ground up when half the assets they need could just be repurposed from a previous game?
Right there with ya. The things I've loved most about Souls games are the world designs, 1v1 boss fights, and the lore deep dives and theory crafting the community does. This seems to be removing all of that.
I don't mind that they're making it, but I have basically 0 interest in it.
@@Natediggetydog just because I said "blatant" doesn't mean I'm opposed to it. I used to say it's a shame companies don't recycle their open worlds. Like GTA 4 did with it's DLC. TBoGT is some of my favorite Rockstar content ever, for example.
@@derrickcrowe3888 yep, world design is what hooked me in ever since og demon's souls.
I haven't even played base Elden Ring...
I loved Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3. Have 100's of hours in each of 'em... but I've only been able to put 7h into Elden Ring, and every time I turn the game on I am instantly and immediately disinterested and bored by it.
I don't even know why.
Tbh I'm not interested in Elden Ring in playing it at all, I'm just not looking for that kind of challenge in my video games for the vast majority of that, the game just sounds infuriating to me personally. But I'm glad Elden Ring has done well and I do hope it does well here too. Plus I didn't even know what the freak this was so glad to be informed on it. Thanks Thievery of Mugs. 👍
I am whelmed
"Risk of Ring 2"....
“I’m excited but not the reason you might think“ is such a weird thing to say about a videogame
If it ain’t broke done fix it. I don’t understand this “need” to do something “new”. Not saying change is bad, but if it isn’t needed, why force it? When you change things just for the sake of changing things, you only risk failure since failure was never something you were on course to contend with
Souls mmo coming soon
Let's be honest...miyazaki played rust for a day. Let them cook. They are doing what ubsoft really should have done years ago.
They are putting purple on everything these days.
Purple is part of the night, especially when sun comes down, and when sun comes down it means that night is beginning (like said in the trailer).
It's all with theme.
Actually this is called "bisexual lighting" and it's used to indicate softer intentions and queerness. I'm not making this up. The color gradient is a signal that there is a queer focus in the game.
Ahh yes another Roguelike, do repeated runs where you start with nothing, earn some neat stuff, and then lose it again when you start the next run. Some games do it right where every run let's you upgrade base stats or traits to feel like there's actually progression. Others.... The beginning is a slog every time and then it's boring.
"Streamlining" is not a good thing in Elden Ring as they described. Bosses that used to take an hour by themselves if you were new or inexperienced are now supposed to take a few minutes to kill before the next 15 minute day??? That's sounds like baby mode. Either way it sounds like a spinoff cash grab. Maybe a play to make their valuation look better before a Sony buyout like what bungie did. We'll have to see.
A cash grab would be something low effort, low risk, with a high price tag.
This is a lot of effort to change the core design of a major IP which is a major risk whether you recognize it as one or not as internally if it doesnt go well would not just discourage fromsoft from trying to experiment as much but also other developers.
It's FromSoft, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they'll be the devs who finally get me to really enjoy roguelike/lite gameplay loops. Hades is there, of course, but Hades is really its own unique beast in this space, so I feel like I can hardly count it. I'm most excited to see how Nightreign will push the already impeccable Souls combat into something even greater. The fluidity and expression of movement in the trailer already was enough to sell me on it, and I bet that's just the tip of the iceberg.
It's left for dead meats dark souls in elden ring is what it is
I hope this slop fails
Thing is, this is not “trying something new” and it’s not “a new direction”. This is FromSoftware taking a major step into mainstream appeal, pandering to the lowest common denominator and it’s a step we never ever thought they would take. It’s a direction we’ve seen nearly every major game studio travel and we know how tragic the fate of the artistry usually becomes. They’ve very blatantly stolen elements from every trendy game and slapped an Elden Ring sticker on it to make sure it sells a ton (which I’m sure it will). There is literally 0 risk involved, at least not financially. And the fact they’ve carelessly put it next to Elden Ring will forever damage the original and appear as a blemish on a otherwise true modern masterpiece. All that being said, I have no doubt it’s going to be a great game and a fun experience, but it’s simultaneously the first true step of what will probably be a degradation of arguably the greatest and undoubtedly the most artistic video game company of our age. This is exactly what some fans feared following the success of Elden Ring. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
No offense, but Elden Ring and even the Souls franchise at large already IS mainstream. And pretending as if FromSoftware isn’t a mainstream company is incredibly incorrect. Elden Ring itself was already a huge step into mainstream by way of an open world. This game is FromSoftware attempting to delve into other genres and getting out of their comfort zone. They COULD just continue making games with the exact same formula and getting money but instead they’re willing to try something new even if it’s not a very risky attempt. That alone should justify this game’s existence, not to mention a focus on Co-op is likely due to FromSoftware wanting to improve their capability with Co-op, which is very welcome considering multiplayer in basically all of their recent games have been very weak and more of an add on than a true feature. Also, you could serve yourself better if you stopped making judgements on a company and its future of a single trailer, we don’t even know what half the playable characters in this game look like and you’re considering the game a cheap rip off. Do yourself a favor and have a little faith in a company that’s more than earned the benefit of the doubt. And finally, there is quite literally nothing wrong with a company wanting to take from popular concepts in gaming for their new game, ESPECIALLY if FromSoftware wants to considering how much of gaming has been, not so subtly, trying to copy and achieve the success that FromSoftware has achieved. But also calling what we’ve seen “copying” isn’t correct, if we called everything that was inspired by something else a copy, well we might as well just write off every open world game that’s released in the last decade, including Elden Ring.
@Phikinnie First of all I more than respect your opinion and at the very least we can agree that we all simply put just don’t want FromSoftware to change their very important and much beloved values when it comes to game direction. That being said, I don’t agree with the premise of Elden Ring and the rest of the Souls games being mainstream at all. If you’ve played them all, which I’m sure you have, you’ll probably agree that most Souls titles have always been or at least felt open world to a large extent and Elden Ring was a much more natural progression of the series, albeit a phenomenal one. And the main factor of mainstream really isn’t popularity; anything can potentially gain mainstream popularity by being “too”infectiously good but there is obviously a clear distinction between pandering to mainstream audiences and making a product so groundbreaking that you pull the mainstream to you. FromSoftware have up until now almost uniquely been pioneers of the latter and shown the world how you can still gain mainstream-level success without sacrificing your originality and artistry. If an innovative gourmet restaurant suddenly became the most popular in the business due to their sheer and undeniable quality, that doesn’t automatically make them the new McDonald’s. But if the company themselves then suddenly started introducing Big Macs and chicken nuggets to the menu, well then they’re certainly heading in a worrying direction when it comes to core values. In the end it really just depends on how much you value these independent pieces of artistry, lots of people just want fun games and don’t necessarily connect with a game on a deeper level and that’s totally fair and just as viable. Some people really care about consistency and preserving masterpieces while some people get very excited when Spider-Man shows up in the new Captain America movie. Some of us really need and value these experiences of connecting with an art piece on a profound level and being reached and touched on a greatly subconscious, pre-developmental stage of one’s own psychology. Elden Ring changed my life, it is undeniably a true modern masterpiece, but now it’s irreversibly going to also be an easily digestible, drop-in-from-the-battle-bus hero-“shooter” with more than a dozen gameplay tropes you’d also find in Fortnite and every other live service game out there. It’s not a flattering look and quite honestly it’s a disgrace to the original. Had this been the same concept but instead accompanied by a new IP set in a new location with new designs and characters, it would’ve landed much softer - but it probably also wouldn’t sell as well, which very clearly is the main and frankly the only apparent point of this release.
Whens that hair coming off buddy🤨
What is nightreign?
A quick cash grab 😢
I uh...
Think I'm out.
Not me. A mix of Soulslike and Risk of Rain is heavenly to me. Going all in when I can.
As a roguelite addict I'm always happy to see a large and established studio make one. I get that people might have reservations based on the removal of what might be considered the "soul" of elden ring, but this kind of experimentation is something that has been desperately missing from the AAA space these days.
I'm looking forward to seeing the results of their efforts. Hopefully we get a wonderful new roguelite out of it.
So Elden ring immortal ?! So basically we lost Fromsoftware to the greedy mobile game gotcha mechanics ?! Fuck my life bro
Are the greedy mobile mechanics in the room with us??
I do not play multiplayer/coop games. So it's nice to at least have the option to get the experience solo
Nothing about this New game sounds fun! SERIOUSLY Kame that it only 1 player or 3 player. But Not able to play 2 player co op..
Not particularly excited. I like taking my time and discover the lore. Now it's a hard time limit and you gotta rush. Eh.
FS always trys different things and will make good games whether its your thing or not
I wish they would just remake Bloodborne so that PC players can experience it
Elden soul-Survivors is gonna be sick!
I'm going to enjoy it and have a ton of fun with it, but I would be lying if I say that I don't find the reuse of the Dark Souls bosses a bit distasteful.
I know those are high-quality assets and reusing them is more efficient, but it makes wonder, doesn't Elden Ring alone already have a lot of high quality assets to use? Why not use only things from that IP? Doesn't Elden Ring have a metric ton of cool and iconic bosses already? Why bring Dark Souls again?
That's my only main problem with the game, because it seems the only valid answer to those questions is a shameless and blatant milking of an IP😕
And Fromsoftware was supposed to be above that...
Bruh
I am all for Nightreign
Not the seamless co-op I wanted, but if FS is willing to roll the dice, for 40 bucks I am too
Fromsoft seem to be reusing assets in the best way possible. I’ll hold my opinion until I get to play it but I am excited to be able to play ER coop with my wife without dealing with invasions
I love roguelites and i love Souls games so i'm VERY intrigued by this concept. I understand people having reservations because it isn't a "true" Elden Ring 2 but it's still great to see FromSoft trying new things. As long is it doesn't take until 2030 until we get another "traditional" game from them i'm more than happy if they explore different genres.
Edit: The concept of having a set amount of days to get stronger, gathering gear (or skills) and doing your best to get as strong as possible to face off against the bosses sounds a lot like Ravenswatch, another Co-Op roguelite that came out a few months ago. Highly recommend trying that out, it does get a bit repetitive after extended play since there's not a lot of variety in bosses or enemies but still great fun.
Its elden ring x ravenswatch love it ❤
twitter and twitch have been hilarious over this. it's so funny to see the people that can't take these games for what they are in a laid-back casual manner, and feel compelled to treat them like the holy grail of high art, losing their minds over this "commercial" move and scrambling to contextualize it 😂
Fromsoft and Kadokawa weren't even purchased by sony at the time but yet they were already making a game that looks like a lazy cash grab judging by the trailer. I'm not sure if it will be bad, of course, but this is not the game I was ever expecting Fromsoft to be making. Hard pass. Going to wait for news on Armored Core 6 DLC or next soulsborne game.
It couldn't possibly be that fromsoft is an iterative game developer and they're just trying something new for a spinoff.
@@killsode4760 I don't have problems with people trying something new. I have a problem when people slap the existing franchise's logo onto something that doesn't seem relevant to the franchise. I don't like the idea of spinoffs in general even though I have strong exceptions.
@@Kreozot2D i completely ignore ppl that use the words cash grab without much thought put into their opinion.
read up on interviews of this game, the games director has been with fromsoft since ds1, and he wanted to do something similar to this ever since ds2 released but had no resources or approvals.
“ItS a cAsH gRab”
you could’ve just said you’re illiterate and I would’ve understood just as easily.
@flamingmanure You don't seem to have ignored me. So I will explain if you are interested. We can see many familiar assets from Elden Ring in this game, both environment models and textures, and character models, be it players or NPCs. This is presumed to be sold as a standalone game but it has it's assets already made years ago. How much effort is put into this game's world and it's original content? It doesn't seem like anything comparable to the shadow of the erd tree dlc. So this is why I used the words "lazy cashgrab". It feels like it's a very rough and hastily made project. It feels like they wanted to make something new but didn't want to spend time on building a new lore for a new game. It feels like they are using Elden Ring's name to kickstart another project without putting any effort into it on it's own, just like disney used mandalorian season 2 to kickstart book of bobba fett, ashoka and whatever else they tried to ctrl+c-ctrl+v. I would prefer Fromsoftware to spend time and resources on making the next big project be it a DLC, sequel or a new IP. I feel like if this spinoff will be a flop they will lose the momentum that they earned with Elden Ring, AC6 and shadow of the erd tree, and less people will be there when they release something that fromsoft fans expect from them. You disagree - more power to you. You are interested in this game - I'm not here to take that from you. I've expressed how it looks to me, and why specifically I am not conviced that I should spend my money and time on this game.
Doesn’t sound good
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This is an incorrect opinion
This shit is creatively barren and lazy 😅
I'm really glad we finally get a roguelike from AAA company, even more so ones that actually know how to make a proper Souls-like game.
God of War Ragnarok has one
Who asked for this?
I'm willing to bet that BandaiNamco did.
A lot of people asked for innovation, if you want to play a normal soulslike, fromsoftware has made 6 more since 2009
Sony 😂
15-year-olds, I presume.
The casuls did
I'm hearing pay to win. Want better gear? Just pay.
Huh? There are not microtransactions in the game.
It's not a live service and it's paid upfront with full content
No more purchases to be done after that
Someone hasn't read the interviews 👀
Yes, it's not going to be a live-service game, but people are unable to put two and two together to recognize that it has the ARCHITECTURE of one, which means they're training up their new mandatory live-service division with this, and I'm going to be there will bet sneaky DLCs and "definitely not" microtransactions if it's popular enough.
great video, love and agree with your overall perspective on the topic!! i have never gotten into a rogue like, and a lot of people were disappointed with diablo 4. fromsoft said “hold my beer, i got this”