As a quick reminder, I'm not here to argue who is right and who is wrong. It's to talk about how the very act of developers that represent the hard work of huge teams fighting over hot-button issues is bad and hurts those games and teams. In other words, please don't judge Avowed by the words of one dude. Also, regardless of "drama", I personally really enjoyed Mouthwashing and reccommend it.
@@BoneQueefyou mean the ones that have been completely right when it comes to spiteful and agenda driven devs, like the on of obsidian confirmed openly?
"Grifters" didn't kill my enthusiasm for the Veilguard. Dragon age Inquisition's terrible world exploration and Mass Effect Andromeda's c team writing did. They make M rated games for tweens.
Literally. It's so ridiculous how tourists behave as if DA wasn't always queer and "woke". Krem being trans was like 99% of his whole character in DAI just like the blacksmith couple in Denerim in DAO were just "the gay couple". I just didn't play it because it looked like @$$, the combat looked ridiculous, the writing sounds horrendous and Anthem and Andromeda had put me off the whole thing already.
@bluestarkiller i dont think sexual preference is the issue. The well written Dorian storyline is a better comparison to Taash than Krem. But even then the Qun, as presented in DAO and DA2 didn't seem to have much room for "alternative" lifestyles. Krem was more oh an "ohhhh okay" moment, instead of the seasoned warrior Taash coming off as a teenager finding themselves.
I could never try Inquisition because I heard it was the Andromeda of Dragon age and I definitely didnt want that to be my introduction to it. Also completely agree,to me the Mass Effect OT felt like travelling around with the most badass soldiers and mercs ya could get while Andromeda had me feeling like I was driving a school bus of highscool kids around. The tone was so different.The game felt like it was made for a much younger audience other than the fact that they amped up the sex scenes compared to the older games which is a weird mix
In every industry I have ever worked in, publicly insulting the customer will get you fired immediately. It's not even a question. I don't know why the games and media industry are any different. It's pretty strange.
I work in the fishing industry. If anyone were to publicly ask me my opinion of anything related to fishing or to my employer, I have very clear instructions: "Refer all such inquiries to people at the company authorized to answer them." For me to do otherwise is to risk my next comment on TH-cam being prefaced with "I used to work in the fishing industry..." This is, or should be, common sense. Although as another poster pointed out, when the rot goes all the way to the top, you're not going to get sensible orders. (which is funny because I just finished listening to an audiobook about the run-up to D-Day from the German perspective and man, history echoes like the Capitol Rotunda when it comes to the dangers of administrative incompetence...)
No, games should not be "for everyone". games should be for anyone who wants to play them. A game for everyone is a game for no-one. Carve out your niche, and anyone who wants to enjoy the game, should, and at that point the developer should just shut the f- up about their personal beliefs. Their game should speak for itself.
True. Issue is, that way too many devs leech off of established IPs and twist them. No one (almost no one) did ever argue against original niche games like gone home or life is strange.
The problem with carving out a niche is that it has to be one heck of a big niche if you're putting hundreds of millions of dollars into development. Of course, you can counter by saying "indie and AA games don't cost $400 million like Concord did" and I'll counter with "that's right, you're cool, be my friend."
While I agree with this, the context is for that everyone who wants to buy the game. Means "for everyone" who wants to buy the game to not be excluded.
Don't let the first guy scare you away from buying mouthwash, Bro’s literally just the musician for it. Not like, the actual game dev/creator of the game.
and didn't Battlefield 5 have insane woke shit like women with prosthetic limbs a soldiers (and not in a far future cyberpunk context)? it's almost like this shit has been going on for a decade and the same insane people keep ending up in powerful positions and making the same agenda-driven mistakes over and over again.
These are the same people who would shit on comedians for “punching down” when they make a risky joke. So what do we call it when these devs constantly degrade their audience and call them trash? Because I don’t really see the fucking difference. These developers make me sick. There’s nothing morally pure or beneficial to shitting on the people that buy your product. They’re gonna complain themselves into oblivion, and it can’t happen soon enough.
@ you think that verbally attacking people, from a perceived position of power, isn’t punching down? I bet, next, you’ll tell me that developers work really really hard on games, and that they’re not easy to make. So we’re not allowed to criticize their work or behavior.
Yeah in restoraunt business you start by spitting in their food and continue ontu rat poison, but never ever should anyone representing their product be rude!
To be fair in game development they dont have the outlet of spitting in customers food, or sprinkling in rat fecies, but than again they dont have to interact whit customers, but yes being rude while representing company is just unprofessional!
And then those developers will complain that "we are evil for not buying their game". 100% worth this comedy show; to see how these "professionals" act in the most pathetic way.
@@DA7274 I'm not totally sure about that. A bit black-pilled, but a huge amount of the funding for this stuff comes from a coalition of impact-investing hedge fund firms managing funds to the tune of about $15,000,000,000,000 trying to socially engineer a global economics state that reduces humans to easy-to-control interchangeable generic labor units, and they do so by using socialist conflict theory, which involves stoking identitarian warfare.
This is why I don't really like the "upper management" cop out when it comes to why every game sucks now. I have no doubt that upper management at many dev studios and publishers force terrible monetization schemes that make games less fun, but many AAA games have been creatively lacking and unenjoyable regardless of monetization and the fact that so many devs publicly admit to prioritizing their personal politics in the games the make is a huge reason why these games are just not fun.
Seeing this rot inside Obsidian really makes me sad. They've been one of my favourite studios for nearly two decades at this point. Beyond that, the idea of "fandom" has always puzzled me. People liking the same thing doesn't automatically give them common ground. Different people like the same things for different reasons. Sometimes those reasons are even directly oppositional to each other. Tying into that, I have a hard time trusting that a product will live up to my expectations when its focus is on being accessible to as many people as possible. I don't like it when the audience is the focus at all. I'd rather the art be the focus for it's own sake. A game that is attempting to hit all the trendy tropes to capture as broad an appeal as possible isn't nearly as interesting as a game that has a genuinely ambitious scope with a myriad of features that all tie into one cohesive and unique experience. It's the difference between The Witcher 3 and basically any Ubisoft game from the last decade.
I'm an ER case manager; Ive been cursed at, threatened, berrated, insulted, and had numerous objects thrown at me. However, if I ever insulted a patient I would be immediatley fired. Customer service doesnt mean you have you like or agree with them. But the customer holds the power, and Im just another employee. Its a hard fact of life these developers will find out when they file for umeployment.
If I walk into a store and the worker behind the counter starts yelling at me over some predetermined assumption about me, I would leave and not come back. How is these devs screeching on socials any different? Thing that annoys me is when their games flop due to them pushing away customers and they don't have the self reflection to see why. They always play victim and blame their boogymen. It's childish behavior
Avowed looks fun, but, if the developer doesn't want me to play the game, then I won't. Unlike Baldur's Gate 3, they never said they don't want someone playing their game. They wanted everyone to play their game. I'll support people, who want everyone to enjoy their game. I don't need people saying "This game isn't for you" or, "this movie isn't for you".
Indeed. Bg3 was great. Im rather conservative and like masculine heroic characters, and the game did welcome me with open arms and respected my choices whilst still showing me other opinions without judgement. Veilguard and concord feel like a party where i dont like the music and dont know anyone and wear clothes that dont fit the theme.
@@rclaws3230bruh he only complained that they make a large foster of character customization but everyone making the same generic isekai mc in their game, hes saying it in chill manner too afaik hes not saying anyone racist
The amount of games that come out everyday is enormous already so I don’t think indie game developers have the luxury of intentionally reducing their own player base with the moves like that. Mouthwashing has successfully left my wishlist because I don’t want to support devs that hate their own customers
Just wanted to let you know that the person in mouthwashing who made those comments was not a developer, he was an independent 3rd party hired on to do music and isn't related to the game production or management
I've removed it too. The guy is a composer but he also is a co-founder of the studio, that makes him a dev even if his thing is music instead of coding. Out of wishlist it goes.
I was legit going to buy avowed. I was looking forward to it. Now that I know the kinda people that made it. I won’t be giving any money to that company. Especially if they don’t object to his racist rants.
How dumb can the Mouthwashing co-founder be? They just got completely free great publicity when the other mouthwashing dev spoke against shaming fanarts of any kind and now this overdramatic fool has to go way out of their way to blanket statement insult people "finding" a completely public game. FFS....
Its funny that weve been hearing that studios are going to start looking to hide the type of stuff that turns customers away until after release but I just dont think thats possible these days. These devs are usually seething with some sort of hatred towards gamers and cannot wait to "own the chuds" even at the expense of the game their working on. They dont realize normal people arent like this, I train and teach at a bjj gym and we get people of all colors and kinds and everyone gets along no problem at all but these terminally online people probably couldnt even wrap their heads around that since they have made so many types of people out to be their enemies in their own head
Game devs using social media to incessantly MOAN about the customers who don't share their social beliefs are probably the most emotionally unhinged and immature people I have ever seen. If I ran a studio, I would institute MULTIPLE policies barring any employees from talking about the project, or the industry as a whole, so long as they are working on an un-released project. It is the MARKETING TEAM'S job to MARKET THE GAME. The devs should shut the f*ck up and do THEIR job, which is DEVELOPING THE GAME. This is very simple, and NO, "freedom of speech" does not permit people to say what they want without consequence. That is a myth. Freedom of speech means you cannot be charged with a crime for speaking your mind in a public forum - that does not mean your company can't FIRE you for saying something stupid while you directly represent said company. Publishers and studios need to tighten their grip on devs who use their social media outlets as a form of therapy. Letting these un-medicated people jabber about social issues that 50% of their customer base disagrees with is simply irresponsible, because the truth is that CUSTOMERS pay the bills, and it's very easy for them to be directly responsible for getting game studios shut down, and for talented people to lose their careers as a result. Don't poke a bear and then complain when it bites your head off.
Asmongold played the game and gave positive remarks on it, how dumb of him to say he dont want asmon and his audience to play the game , have he seen how many people tune into asmon's channel on a daily basis? 50K+ imagine if you get half of those people buy your game, now you want them to shoo they away? thats dumb.
@@valzy2267 'cope' is what you do when you lose, bud. mouthwashing already came out and is already a success. not to mention, no. chasing profit is how we get shit like FIFA releasing the same boring ass game every year, artistic integrity is how we get good and interesting games.
I feel like it was due to Asmongold having gained a reputation as someone exploiting controversial stuff to gain views from a very right-wing group of people as a source of income as well as the dehumanizing rhetoric forwards Palestinians. I will still say that the composer shouldn't have gotten involved and just plain ignore Asmongold.
I like that all of this comes to light and they lose it more and more. Those people pushed pretty much everyone right of Mao out of game development, hyped themselves up and radicalized each other in their narrow bubble. Them seeing that most people dont think like them is good. Even for themselves. They clearly are not well or happy. They need to be confronted with the real world to get them back on the ground.
"Hey Fox, if you never play AAA games, why do you spend so much time watching videos where people dunk on the AAA industry?", some may ask me. "Because it's the best popcorn movie since 'Independence Day' and it's fun to watch the world burn," I say.
@@squirrelsyrup1921 Last AAA game I paid anything close to full price for was Fallout 4 in the spring of 2016. I picked up RDR2 for something like 75-80% off on a Steam sale during the pandemic, but that's it for the past eight years.
I am sick of this crap. I am LGBT and I never asked for any of this BS. And now I persoanlly get hate and threats because of this bloody culture war that I never asked for or wanted any part in. I happily played both Geralt and Lara and i didn't care about eithers pronouns and I don't need representation in fictional worlds, because I already exist in reality, representing myself. Can those bloody developers as well as the "anti woke crowd" just leave me bloody alone and in peace! And able to play good games!
LGBT as well and fairly centrist here. Bigotry from any aisle isn't something to appease. It just never ever works out. Pronouns shouldn't be an issue; it is simply inclusivity that can easily be ignored and affects nothing in the medium, nine times out of ten. The people who complain about this stuff care more than the target audience ever will and create a fictional hivemind to scream about to justify bigotry. A tiring vocal minority with nothing else better to complain about in their miserable, usually suppression-filled, lives. They need to go outside, actually socialize with some real human beings, and get some fucking perspective, jesus christ. And fwiw, while with less frequency, the same can be said about people who hear Christian and/or Conservative and lose their fucking minds. See the forest AND the trees.
To add to the consequences brought on by the words of one dude, think about the individual employees and how they might feel about this. Like, imagine you work really hard to perfect a skill so that you can pursue a career. You went to uni for it or you took courses and spent hundreds of hours to make sure you are as good as you can be. And it pays off, you get hired at a big company, working on a product that you think is really good. You cannot wait for people to experience the product that you have worked hard on, and also worked hard to even be a part of. And then someone like Matt comes in and spews his garbage on the internet. Your work will not be appreciated by many simply because of the words of one dude. You might risk losing your position because your project does poorly as a result of the words of one dude. But also if you happened to be say, a person of colour, now you're a prime target for the real bigots. They will now say that you don't even deserve your position, that you just got there because of your skin colour. This could even make you yourself think that you aren't actually good at your job, that you're just there because you happened to be a certain way. There is just simply no good that can come out of situations like this. The hateful people will be even more hateful, and the more rational people will feel pushed away because they don't want to support smth made by a mad dumbass. The project is more likely to flop, employees are more likely to lose their job, and a group of people might even lose their motivation outright.
Jaffe is dumb. "Grifters" can't ruin a good game, and boy have they tried. "Grifters" tried to destroy Black myth Wukong, Stellar blade and space marine 2.
none of these people had ever had their egos checked. They were always told they were amazing and perfect just as they are and now they are incable of dealing with any kind of criticism
Its weird because Wrong Organ was like, guys stop attacking artists you dont like. We dont need you in this fandom, giving a good look for the team. Followed by the next day, a different person on the team goes in the opposite direction insulting "anti woke" for finding their game and saying they are sick from the thought.
yeah i'm a very liberal person and i really don't understand his crash out. I mean surely he knows that art/creations made online WILL be used/liked by everyone including people you don't like or even down right hate. And using "woke" in any serious manner wether it is pro or anti will always ALWAYS get a chuckle outta me 😂
Yeah they JUST got great PR from it. That dude is an idiot through and through... if he has no energy for it, why did he invite exactly that? .... Some people are hopeless.
I’m completely with you, if a company is against my values, pushes an agenda and tells me to touch grass. I’ll not give them my money. It’s that simple.
Bang on about woke stuff for years knowing it does nothing, changes nothing, and by the looks of things makes things worse, win money by going on about it, but never create new media and never prompt or talk about indie games, case in point no one's given this game any attention only when it's the money train hour here comes the million and one videos.
@@jamesmorris7844This whole movement made me wary of non binary people specifically they always turn out to be crazies. There are normal gay bi trans (although they tend to be a little on the crazy side too) people around that just mind their own business and live their lives but when it comes to nonbinary people they are always crazy.
@@jamesmorris7844 Wow - did you get that verbatim from Asmon? I highly doubt you came to this conclusion yourself since you lack critical thinking skills.
In Spanish we call these people bocachancla and I think it's beautiful. Means flipflop mouth, a person who talks too much and in the wrong moment. That's exactly what these devs do and thanks to twitter for all of us to see.
As a Nigerian, and a PC gamer, it's genuinely baffling how toxic identity politics has tainted western games industry and marketing as a whole😕 Why do these people do this? As a game developer shouldn't you be working to ensure you actually sell your products instead of antagonizing potential customers? Here, we have tribalism but not tobthr degree that it hurts businesses or profits! The owner of the first private oil refinery here is a Muslim but he never infused his religion into any of his businesses and avoids tribalism because he wants to remain wealthy and sell to as many people. Why is hard for modern westerners to be like that?!
Exactly, except even that's broken in this industry with community managers getting political and insulting people, and the larger AAA PR and marketing teams having to lie and trick people into being ok with greedy practices, no wonder everyone's so annoyed.
@@cikame Was about to say just this, yeah - one of the problems that enables the clusterfucks we're seeing is that the cultish crazies did a form of regulatory capture by getting hired onto and gradually taking over the public-facing sides of companies such as PR. Therefore, the people who're supposed to handle this and put a stop to any foos running their mouths and ruining company rep, are ideologically compromised, and enable it instead.
They might not do their jobs. They should have a meeting and state there is a blackout period and devs should stay away from social media. Only allow them to quote the office PR messages. If not the PR team than some other corporate authority should do it. On the other hand we have seen community managers who at least should have PR training in adding gasoline to a fire. I believe there might be talented people in Obsidian who do not work under Matt supervision who sadly will suffer for what he did.
They do it so often that you think they are intentionally sabotaging their own games so they can just blame the audience instead of being criticized for their incompetence if their games get panned.
Honestly though I disagree I don't think anyone should be aiming to make a game for everyone there's a reason why demographics exists. Of course there are games that come out and that were created for specific demographics and then end up becoming massive successes. But you have to have an initial audience in mind it's just like with anime they got kids, Shonen, Shoujo, seinen, and josei.
It's one thing to aim your game towards a specific audience. It's another matter when you're publicly hostile and hateful towards audience that you arbitrarily decide is "not worthy". And for works that aim to have some actual social impact, for example by presenting complex or uncomfortable topics, this approach is counterproductive, in that it can have an opposite effect than desired. You want to increase acceptance of trans people with your game? Great, just make sure not to chase off people who are already not accepting of trans people. Because paradoxically, those are the people that you should be the most interested in reaching. At least if you genuinely want your work to have real positive impact.
@Astrotripper2000 Well put, dont include people and make their race, sex or gender their entire being. Personally I believe its like 80 to 90% the fault of the writer if they arent being manhandled by dei corpos forcing them to write a certain way. Literally no one has a a problem with a characters sex or gender. Look at ff16
@martiano13bros that's a fact do you know how many video games I've played and TV shows I've watched gay characters in them and I didn't give a shit The Originals Teen Wolf From the outer worlds Mass Effect Dragon Age games today is just all about pushing a narrative in your face even if you don't care about that narrative. Now I'm worried for the outer worlds 2 because legit part of the reason I bought my steam deck was so I could play that game when it eventually releases now I'm not sure
I've been trying to think of a quick and easy way to sum up how i feel about all these situations and i just remembered the tried and true "you have a right to not be offended". The Mouthwashing dev is going to have an awful career if he can't come to terms with the fact that people with differing opinions will play his games, that simple fact is going to ruin his life.
Also this problem isn't limited to just videogames. Any provider of a service or product can easily tank their own company by badmouthing and tantruming against potential customers.
I don't understand how this people cannot get that we don't wanna this woke shit in out games. We do not care what your ideals or morals are, we want you to deliver us a good product. It's simple. While I love redemption stories like CP2077 or NMS, I'd rather get a semi perfect game for they price they're selling it since day one.
@Mattznick Let me explain myself a bit more clearly. I don't care if you as a person or organisation are woke per se. I care when you force that ideology into game creation because at the moment, there hasn't been a woke game that has been successful. I don't want to play a game that berates me for being a white straight guy. I don't want a game that makes me the bad guy for not accepting the new ∞ "genders" out there. I want a game that has good writing overall, engaging gameplay, no matter real time or turn based and memorable characters with a beautiful art design, not graphics but style. I don't care if you then add LGBT couples, pronouns in character creation, etc. I just want a good ole' game like in the previous decades.
@@Andiandrui get what you're saying. but just to understand, what games are you referring to that make the player feel bad for being a white dude? or not accepting more than 2 genders? don't get me wrong there is a lot of forced and disrespectful surface level pandering in some bad games out there but i've never heard of that stuff before
For the sake of argument, I refer to video games as art. So. The whole concept of making a piece of art, putting it out there in the public domain, and then being outraged that "the wrong people" interact with my piece of art, it just boggles my mind. What kind of delusion, what kind of mental illness is this??
that's been the case since the dawn of time. people thought woman's suffrage was annoying, then civil rights were, now it seems to be mainly sexuality focused. People learn to respect others. But Matt Hansen, to me, seems AT BEST weird and filled with rage. So you shouldn't make a guy like that the figure head of liberal values in your head!
@@flats6666 you have got to see the problem with these historical parallels though, surely. I mean it sounds like you've given this some thought. yet you didn't consider the trajectory?? women - 50% of the population. former US slaves - I don't know what percentage back in the 50s but nowadays they're at least 12% in the US. so from the first cause you named to the second there's already a huge drop-off, and I hope we can also agree that this second issue was at least quite severe, in fact it was more severe than the first (don't let the feminists hear this of course, they get all hysterical), somewhat making up for the smaller population size affected. so to recap, you are comparing these postmodern "sexuality" issues to a substantial issue affecting half the population and a huge issue affecting a tenth or whatever. are you sure you want to draw this comparison? is "I'm a man who demands that everyone refer to me as a woman or it would hurt my feelings" really comparable to the problems some women or black americans faced in the past? they make up less than five percent of the population and they already have all the same rights as the rest of us, but they demand MORE. it boggles the mind that left wingers currently seem to believe they are fighting for "civil rights" when they force some christian bakers to contribute to a wedding that goes against christian beliefs. you always spread some wacky stuff but the current crop is particularly crazy.
I feel like it's the same thing with 'celebrities' as game devs or whatever, I couldn't care less what their opinions are, and when they open their mouths it just proves why they shouldn't be taken seriously and it makes me think less of them as a person most of the time. They really should just shut up and do their jobs like most people have to.
I went to a high school that had a dress code and they always told us "Whenever you're out and about wearing our logo, you're representing us." I feel like the same thing applies here. We're these people never told that?
I'm all for developers speaking their minds, in fact I want more of it. Once I hear their thoughts I can assume what the product is going to be like and that makes my decision making easier when it comes to buying games.
When the comment monster eats my comments, I think I've been too well-conditioned as a gamer because I just sigh like "tech, man." Bugs are the expected norm and that's crept beyond the boundaries of video games.
@SimuLord TH-cam is a subsidiary of Google, which is heavily left leaning and woke af. Google is owned by the Alphabet company, which is even heavier left leaning and donates to all sorts of DEI nonsense. TH-cam has a habit of deleting channels or flagging content for "misinformation". They know they can't exactly get away with this with bigger channels like MugThief because then it would be like shining a spotlight on their behavior. Why give benefit of the doubt when malice is much more likely.
Its so annoying. I do not know what i can write anymore. I keep it really really pg13 but comments keep vanishing or getting shadowbanned so you can only see them by selecting sort by newest.
There's a lot of weird auto-moderation on youtube as a site, I noticed if you use certain words, try to link to other sites, etc, it just gets deleted.
I was actually interested in Mouth washing in all honesty. If I had any money left after I bought the new Stellaris DLC, I was gonna buy it. Don't exactly feel inclined to buy it now that one of the co founders had a meltdown and began screeching about how people like me aren't welcome in the community.
If you look at the promo pic with the 4 characters, pay attention to the archer's hand. Its a small thing but he is holding the bow string wrong, the bow string isnt in the right place to be held at all, it isnt even touching the arrow. This is their promotional picture! They chose this to show off how good it looks and got multiple things wrong.
The advice about blocking something you don't like and moving on is very good in the sense that you cannot control other people, only yourself, and not wasting you time and energy on being upset about such things is very healthy. Feeling upset is valid, but most people are better off by not engaging more with it and just moving on. I think making art about an existing game is legitimate as long as yu keep it in the proper places for it. There are most likely assholes who want to explicitly hurt people with what they are doing, and those people should not be treated with caution because that can badly hurt a community, but some people use such things to work through their own experiences and trauma, and they shouldn't have to put it all on the table beforehand. And of course, as statet in the video, some people just see a character they vibe with and don't know the context, no thoughts or intentions found there, at least not in regards to that specific context. In that light I can definitely understand that the response of the developer would be: "Don't like it, don't engage with it, don't gatekeep." But I can also understand that one of the members of the team would feel dread over Asmondgold followers finding the game. I used to watch him, but haven't in a long while, and I think I remember him saying at some point that he tries to make his content in a way that doesn't push away angry and lost viewers and the likes who others would get rid off, because he feels like excommunicating them would only radicalise them more, and giving them someone with clear opinions that may make them think about their lives is more effective. And while I think the stance is a valid and even somewhat noble one, that means that, if this has stayed true, his audience is full of people who will miss nuances and points and have some very questionable opinions on things, and dealing with such things does, indeed, sound extremely tiring and exhausting. You could still argue that you shouldn't make a comment about it on twitter for a multitude of reasons, But at least I don't think it is unreasonable or contradictory. Also shoutout to the Octopath 2 OST being goated. Have a nice day everyone!
This is so based. I worked at Warner Brothers on Velma. Us little production gremlins are the ones who get let go when the writing is garbage or when the creators say stupid things....despite the fact that most of us dislike/disagree with the thing being made or the thing being said.
At first I was pretty annoyed when this happens, but this is so common nowadays that I just expect it. I'm not affected by it anymore, I just go 'oh well...' and then move on. Btw Mug, are you planning to cover PoE2 or GGG at all with their EA launch being imminent?
Kinda funny that David Jaffe complains about grifters but he's becoming one himself when all he does is complain about content creators that have valid criticisms about the current state of gaming. What a loser, can't believe a guy like him created God of War. lol
Gatekeeping is ALWAYS good. A lack of gatekeeping is why Warhammer 40k and D&D are becoming slop. It's why MTG is just an advertisement vector that gets other brands slapped on. Gatekeeping is why Elden Ring is still Elden Ring.
This is just disappointing. Avowed and Mouthwash had the opportunity to break boundaries and become products that are praised for what they are and not who made them. The fact that these developers lack the mental fortitude of seeing thenself above their victimhood mentality or are capable of having productive social interactions are ruining their year's of work. I was genuinely interested in buying both of those games.
So what you are saying is that Grummz and his ilk can shit on a game with the help of Elon and the devs should shut up and take it? Not sure I agree with that. Even if Hansen handled it very poorly. Also, game for everyone is a game for no one, something Fromsoft knows very well. Imagine if Dark Souls had an easy mode...
Here is a data point. I was moderately warm on Avowed after some previews. The faces were cooked, but the combat looked fun, I like Pillars, it's on game pass. I would have 100% have played it. Now I won't because I do not want to support people who hate my guts. Not only that I will actively mock the game and discourage people from playing it. I can probably get 5 to 10 people in my group give it a pass. That's a 5 to 1 ratio that you do not get when a game is simply bad. There are levels to not playing something. This ratio is why bad games have more players than the woke garbage. People actively warn other people against products made by hate filled devs.
the user tags already offer some options that produce barely any false positives. like why would a game have the "LGBT" tag if the devs weren't wokies who injected their cult beliefs heavily into the game? pretty much doesn't happen so it's safe to filter those games out.
The point you made about artists / employees being representatives for companies; I think the majority of people do not understand to what degree & latitude that it applies. So, if a company has any kind of policy regarding social media, taking to media (reporters, news, publicists etc), then by the sheer act of allowing them to continue without hindrance compared to a nonemployee, means that the company gives implied consent for that employee to act as a representative. They do not have to directly tell the employee that they are being a company rep. An example of how much power that a company rep can have; A company tells an employee to go to an event for the purpose of making new business connections or customers. The boss of the company tells the employee that they are 'to do whatever it takes to get new customers'. The employee goes to the event, and proceeds to make verbal contracts or written contracts that are highly disadvantageous to the company. The boss, when he learns about these new contracts, then tries to say that the employee did not have the authority nor power to make such contracts & whatnot. From a legal stance, the employee was sent for the purpose of the business, wearing company clothes, company media materials, etc. They are a company rep, and those contracts the rep made, are legally binding. Being a company rep has inane power and huge influence. As mentioned above; if the studio has a social media limitations written into the employment contract (I think nearly ALL contracts have some version of this, even fast food places do it), then allowing it to continue unabated is equivalent of consent. If one of their employees started going off on super hate rants on twitter, how long do you think it would take for the studio to step in and try to silence their social media accounts? Or even just fire the guy to sever all ties. If there is a penalty to posting one thing, and not posting others, then the company has demonstrated it's ability to exercise those social media limitations in their contract. Thus, the whole 'an employee's views are their own' falls flat immediately.
Great video mug. I appreciate you looking at this from a nuanced and mature point of view. Already seen a few people signaling their fans not to get Avowed because of one persons cringe tweets.
I can tell you Avowed would have been exactly the type of game I play. But given the Art Director’s comments and the response of Obsidian (or lack thereof), the game immediately shifts into the „nah, I’m good“ category. At this point I have a 0 nonsense policy when it comes to this stuff. Let’s see how much all of this will help the game come its February release. Going up against Monster Hunter Wilds, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and Like a Dragon!
If Microsoft had any sense or control of this situation as this guy's boss, he should have already been gagged via stern warning to protect the rest of his colleagues from this pr nightmare.
I just don't get this self-destructive behavior. Like the Dev of Little Goody Two-Shoes that started running his mouth during pride month. there was no reason for it. the game was not even "woke" it's an homage of 90s CLAMP style yuri anime with zero "modern audiences" messaging. Now people just assume it is woke slop because the dev himself is trying to "market" it as if it is also telling people not to buy it. I keep seeing more and more devs sabotaging their own sales and its pure insanity.
Yeah, I don't give 2 craps about someone's personal politics. But when they broadcast it, and further inject it directly into the games they are making, which is exactly what several of these folks are doing, now I judge them and the product accordingly. They have no one to blame but themselves. Their actions, their consequences. If I were on the board of investors at Microsoft, and saw the Art Director of Obsidian killing Avowed in real time, I'd begin a lawsuit that day. Also broadcasting and advocating illegal hiring policies.
Not sure there is any point of this video existing. Its the problem of developers, not ours. If developers don’t mind ruining their own reputation - more power to them, we don’t need to know the mechanics of it all. We are the mere *customers*, after all
I'll be an example of someone who wouldn't have bought mouthwashing had I known the devs disliked me, I have no reason to support them despite the fact I like the game a lot.
Mug you hit the nail in the head. I don't get how this mad Twitter users don't understand that they are endangering a lot of people livelihood with these outbursts. I would never do such a thing. I like my salary as it is, possibly higher if the company does well. Oh, and I fucking hat every single one of our customers that can't even process what they need or check that what we are offering is suitable. But I will never go the extra leg to tell them because it would be so fucking stupid.
It's definitely going to impact sales. This is the type of game I would usually instantly buy but I will wait for a discount or for people to play it and tell me it's really really good. I won't let someone saying dumb things on Twitter stop me enjoying a game, but it is enough for me to hit the brakes and wait and gather more information.
Correction having an unhinged director does not mean people working for this person need to agree. They might be boiling inside but do what they are told as it is what they are being paid for, they simply will say nothing as if they do they paint a target on their backs. Do not extrapolate higher up individual opinion on the full team. With that said, it might be that he created a team of so called “yes sayers” so people who never object or challenge ideas.
I'm no developer but I am working on something which involves many characters. I would like some of them to be gay, not in a way that's obnoxious or all consuming, but it's looking like that would just be a bad idea and I think that's kinda sad
I don't disagree with the idea that games should be for everyone, the problem is in the finer details though. It's been said before that "A game for everyone, is a game for no one" and in some capacity that's true. In a lot of ways Veilguard has been watered down compared to previous entries, the "edge" sanded off, and while that may make it more palatable, it also alienates a group of people that wanted the darker, bloodier story. For me personally, I'd rather a developer find their category(ies) of game that they want to develop, really hone in on that, and push it to the world. Rather than send out a game that feels as generically applicable as a bethesda game, with the same shallowness of depth.
I really believe that as the years go by, the concept of gaming studios being placed on a pedestal will die. More and more we've seen once amazing devs who have seemed unstoppable get destroyed, Why? Because studios consist of individual people. The same guy that made the dialogue you love in your favorite game probably left the studio and was replaced by someone less stellar. Or the guy who made the best combat mechanics probably got fired for one reason or another. Studios can only get 4-5 games out before they ultimately start turning sour. Because the people who made those initial bangers are simply gone. The only exception to this rule are Japanese devs as they have an insanse loyalty aspect to their jobs and small indie studios.
Games don't have to be for everyone. Not everyone is into the same genres after all. It is often better to make games only for the target audience than to water down an experience in the hopes of getting people who are not currently interested in the game. Trying to please everyone is a recipe for pleasing no one after all.
It's weird and stupid how these people can just attack their potential customers and encourage them to not buy their games because it's not for them anyway AND not getting fired in the process. I have seen others being let go for something less(like having a different opinion/ideology) and they don't even attack customers, just respectful disagreements. The devs are willing to cover up those people because they have their right opinion(aka as long as it aligns with them) above all else. Let them sink themselves.
I still think it's fair to call out grifteers while not the reason game fails they disingenuous and don't orient the conversations about why a game failed in the good ways. And these developpers will use that as a cope out since they can just say that grifters are fueling hate instead of taking account of genuine criticism
I simply do not want to be lectured to in a Video Game. I like to be lectured to at a lecture. While video games can be thought provoking they must be entertaining and/or intellectually engaging. Maybe they should “Rated D for Didactic” to the rating system. At least then it won’t be a surprise attack and I’ll know what I’m spending my money on.
Why not? It's telling of a whole team if they let a dev run round saying stupid stuff in the name of your precious freedom of speech. If it was only "one developer", then said developer should have consequences for what was said.
@ are we saying the whole Hogwarts legacy team thinks trans people are SA performers? Telling…. Makes no sense we banning speech now cause we’re triggered? Pull the panties out of your crack people. Like mug said in this video if you dont like it block it and move on like a grown up
We need new studios that will hire competent developers. All of the biggest names in gaming and media in general, have been gutted out and replaced by incompetent social justice warriors. We can't even buy these games to 'hate play' them anymore. Our message needs to be clear but we also need to act. There are plenty of talented people out there waiting for their break, that will never be hired by these tyrannical woke companies. We need something to change soon or it's over...
If villains attack us, it means we are doing something right. Proudly non buynary. Waiting for their salty tears when this garbage flops and the studio shuts down.
proudly "non buynary" ? what does this even mean? Here's a legitimate question based off what i'm assuming it means. If, say in the next 5-10 years, nearly all RPGs/MMOs/ or really any game with a character creator and NPC interaction has pronoun options, will you simply never buy/play those games?
@@flats6666 I don't plan to buy what I consider offensive to common sense and especially not RPG that needs good writing and require you to read it. I might buy some simple looter for some 80% off if it has good mechanics and can be muted and played with my music like Borderlands 3.
@@flats6666 And I'm on PC. Some fails are just too big to salvage, but smaller things like pronouns, flags, wrong romances and the like are fixed by good people doing dei remover mods.
@@Sicarius888 yeah i assumed correctly man. i'm sorry you don't got your shit figured out yet and hopefully you find whatever peace it is that you need!
As someone who doesn't play Dark Souls... No, you absolutely can make a game intended to filter out certain audiences. As a fan of the Warhammer 40K IP, you can absolutely filter out people who want to try to pervert the setting. Making media for everyone is making media for no one. That being said, these developers who keep trying to exclude an entire ethnicity or gender need to be removed before they poison the well too deeply. I actually didn't like PoE1 and PoE2 much as games, but I did enjoy the IP a lot and bought all of the DLC. I was actually looking forward to Avowed for over half a decade at this point... but how Obsidian is acting on social media has forced me to flag the game as 'Ignored' because I am developing Pattern Recognition from Concord, Dustborn, and Failguard and realizing that this game I was waiting for is probably just... not going to be worth my investment. I play video games to explore interesting settings and interact with interesting characters. I'm not playing them to be talked down to as if I were a child from people who somehow have less life experience than I do while wearing the skin of a franchise that existed long before they even picked up a pen.
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As a quick reminder, I'm not here to argue who is right and who is wrong. It's to talk about how the very act of developers that represent the hard work of huge teams fighting over hot-button issues is bad and hurts those games and teams. In other words, please don't judge Avowed by the words of one dude. Also, regardless of "drama", I personally really enjoyed Mouthwashing and reccommend it.
@@Mugthief You're feeding the crazies who complain about 'woke' things in videogames. Don't think this topic even needed a video.
@DruBurke Those "crazies" are potential customers and have a r8ght to voice their own opinion. You comment was not needed.
@@Extremistareterrible When their opinions are poo they don't really matter
@@BoneQueef and your opinion in this matter is poor. So it's invalid. 🤷♂️
@@BoneQueefyou mean the ones that have been completely right when it comes to spiteful and agenda driven devs, like the on of obsidian confirmed openly?
"Grifters" didn't kill my enthusiasm for the Veilguard. Dragon age Inquisition's terrible world exploration and Mass Effect Andromeda's c team writing did. They make M rated games for tweens.
Literally. It's so ridiculous how tourists behave as if DA wasn't always queer and "woke". Krem being trans was like 99% of his whole character in DAI just like the blacksmith couple in Denerim in DAO were just "the gay couple".
I just didn't play it because it looked like @$$, the combat looked ridiculous, the writing sounds horrendous and Anthem and Andromeda had put me off the whole thing already.
I could smell the slop by myself miles away
@bluestarkiller i dont think sexual preference is the issue. The well written Dorian storyline is a better comparison to Taash than Krem. But even then the Qun, as presented in DAO and DA2 didn't seem to have much room for "alternative" lifestyles. Krem was more oh an "ohhhh okay" moment, instead of the seasoned warrior Taash coming off as a teenager finding themselves.
I could never try Inquisition because I heard it was the Andromeda of Dragon age and I definitely didnt want that to be my introduction to it.
Also completely agree,to me the Mass Effect OT felt like travelling around with the most badass soldiers and mercs ya could get while Andromeda had me feeling like I was driving a school bus of highscool kids around. The tone was so different.The game felt like it was made for a much younger audience other than the fact that they amped up the sex scenes compared to the older games which is a weird mix
@@Jonderlei Inquisition is an ok sequel but its def riding DAOs excellency
In every industry I have ever worked in, publicly insulting the customer will get you fired immediately. It's not even a question. I don't know why the games and media industry are any different. It's pretty strange.
Because the insanity runs all the way up the ladder to the executives.
I work in the fishing industry. If anyone were to publicly ask me my opinion of anything related to fishing or to my employer, I have very clear instructions: "Refer all such inquiries to people at the company authorized to answer them." For me to do otherwise is to risk my next comment on TH-cam being prefaced with "I used to work in the fishing industry..."
This is, or should be, common sense. Although as another poster pointed out, when the rot goes all the way to the top, you're not going to get sensible orders. (which is funny because I just finished listening to an audiobook about the run-up to D-Day from the German perspective and man, history echoes like the Capitol Rotunda when it comes to the dangers of administrative incompetence...)
@@darksavior1187 That may be true😂
@@SimuLord Well put. I fully agree.
Because gamers are the most unhinged customer base alive
No, games should not be "for everyone". games should be for anyone who wants to play them. A game for everyone is a game for no-one. Carve out your niche, and anyone who wants to enjoy the game, should, and at that point the developer should just shut the f- up about their personal beliefs. Their game should speak for itself.
True. Issue is, that way too many devs leech off of established IPs and twist them. No one (almost no one) did ever argue against original niche games like gone home or life is strange.
The problem with carving out a niche is that it has to be one heck of a big niche if you're putting hundreds of millions of dollars into development.
Of course, you can counter by saying "indie and AA games don't cost $400 million like Concord did" and I'll counter with "that's right, you're cool, be my friend."
Exactly. Be developers. Not activists. Fck off with that shit
While I agree with this, the context is for that everyone who wants to buy the game. Means "for everyone" who wants to buy the game to not be excluded.
"Everyone"? Does that also mean babies too? Don't know they have this dexterity...
These developers are unintentionally super helpful when they un-market their games to me in these tough economic times.
Don't let the first guy scare you away from buying mouthwash, Bro’s literally just the musician for it. Not like, the actual game dev/creator of the game.
Wasn't it Battlefield 5 that said "don't play it"?
yup, former COO Patrick Soderlund to be precise. the word former carrying a lot weight.
and didn't Battlefield 5 have insane woke shit like women with prosthetic limbs a soldiers (and not in a far future cyberpunk context)? it's almost like this shit has been going on for a decade and the same insane people keep ending up in powerful positions and making the same agenda-driven mistakes over and over again.
They said don't buy it. And I didn't 😅
These are the same people who would shit on comedians for “punching down” when they make a risky joke.
So what do we call it when these devs constantly degrade their audience and call them trash? Because I don’t really see the fucking difference.
These developers make me sick. There’s nothing morally pure or beneficial to shitting on the people that buy your product. They’re gonna complain themselves into oblivion, and it can’t happen soon enough.
You dont know what punching down means lmao
@ you think that verbally attacking people, from a perceived position of power, isn’t punching down?
I bet, next, you’ll tell me that developers work really really hard on games, and that they’re not easy to make. So we’re not allowed to criticize their work or behavior.
@@OfficialChrissums if he was actually wrong you would have just said why and corrected him, but you didn't because he's not.
In resturants it is unacceptable for the chef/ waiters argue with the diners. Somehow in the game industry it is okay to do it.
True. If the dev got shit food at a restaurant i'm sure they will complained about it, but for some reason gamers can't? 😂
Given some of the crybaby hissyfits I've seen entitled idiots throw in restaurants, I guess that's a fair analogy.
@@BeerMetal58 Comes with the territory of making a product for the public. As the saying goes, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Yeah in restoraunt business you start by spitting in their food and continue ontu rat poison, but never ever should anyone representing their product be rude!
To be fair in game development they dont have the outlet of spitting in customers food, or sprinkling in rat fecies, but than again they dont have to interact whit customers, but yes being rude while representing company is just unprofessional!
They forget that we can keep our wallets closed longer than they stay solvent.
And then those developers will complain that "we are evil for not buying their game". 100% worth this comedy show; to see how these "professionals" act in the most pathetic way.
Hahaha I understood that reference!
@@DA7274 I'm not totally sure about that. A bit black-pilled, but a huge amount of the funding for this stuff comes from a coalition of impact-investing hedge fund firms managing funds to the tune of about $15,000,000,000,000 trying to socially engineer a global economics state that reduces humans to easy-to-control interchangeable generic labor units, and they do so by using socialist conflict theory, which involves stoking identitarian warfare.
This is why I don't really like the "upper management" cop out when it comes to why every game sucks now. I have no doubt that upper management at many dev studios and publishers force terrible monetization schemes that make games less fun, but many AAA games have been creatively lacking and unenjoyable regardless of monetization and the fact that so many devs publicly admit to prioritizing their personal politics in the games the make is a huge reason why these games are just not fun.
Seeing this rot inside Obsidian really makes me sad. They've been one of my favourite studios for nearly two decades at this point. Beyond that, the idea of "fandom" has always puzzled me. People liking the same thing doesn't automatically give them common ground. Different people like the same things for different reasons. Sometimes those reasons are even directly oppositional to each other. Tying into that, I have a hard time trusting that a product will live up to my expectations when its focus is on being accessible to as many people as possible. I don't like it when the audience is the focus at all. I'd rather the art be the focus for it's own sake. A game that is attempting to hit all the trendy tropes to capture as broad an appeal as possible isn't nearly as interesting as a game that has a genuinely ambitious scope with a myriad of features that all tie into one cohesive and unique experience. It's the difference between The Witcher 3 and basically any Ubisoft game from the last decade.
I'm an ER case manager; Ive been cursed at, threatened, berrated, insulted, and had numerous objects thrown at me. However, if I ever insulted a patient I would be immediatley fired. Customer service doesnt mean you have you like or agree with them. But the customer holds the power, and Im just another employee. Its a hard fact of life these developers will find out when they file for umeployment.
If I walk into a store and the worker behind the counter starts yelling at me over some predetermined assumption about me, I would leave and not come back.
How is these devs screeching on socials any different?
Thing that annoys me is when their games flop due to them pushing away customers and they don't have the self reflection to see why. They always play victim and blame their boogymen. It's childish behavior
Because these devs arguing on social media don't have high social and emotional intelligence.
1:02 "Monetization Director" ok well you're job literally shouldn't exist and you're company isn't about to soon either so opinion disregarded 🙅♂️
😭 ubisoft cope has gotta be one of the funniest things known to man
Avowed looks fun, but, if the developer doesn't want me to play the game, then I won't. Unlike Baldur's Gate 3, they never said they don't want someone playing their game. They wanted everyone to play their game. I'll support people, who want everyone to enjoy their game. I don't need people saying "This game isn't for you" or, "this movie isn't for you".
Indeed. Bg3 was great. Im rather conservative and like masculine heroic characters, and the game did welcome me with open arms and respected my choices whilst still showing me other opinions without judgement. Veilguard and concord feel like a party where i dont like the music and dont know anyone and wear clothes that dont fit the theme.
Cool story
No, why are you forgetting that Larian got mad that too many players played Anglo males and suggested that the playerbase is racist?
@@BoneQueefSooo... you do the exact same thing you accused a commenter under another comment...
Cool story indeed. 😏🤣🤣🤣
@@rclaws3230bruh he only complained that they make a large foster of character customization but everyone making the same generic isekai mc in their game, hes saying it in chill manner too afaik hes not saying anyone racist
The amount of games that come out everyday is enormous already so I don’t think indie game developers have the luxury of intentionally reducing their own player base with the moves like that. Mouthwashing has successfully left my wishlist because I don’t want to support devs that hate their own customers
Just wanted to let you know that the person in mouthwashing who made those comments was not a developer, he was an independent 3rd party hired on to do music and isn't related to the game production or management
Same. I had added it to my wishlist and was coincidentally building my autumn sale cart when the news about the dev came out lol
@@Homiloko2 it's a composer, not a developer.
@@zynet_eseled He's a studio co-founder, his words represent the entire team
I've removed it too. The guy is a composer but he also is a co-founder of the studio, that makes him a dev even if his thing is music instead of coding. Out of wishlist it goes.
I was legit going to buy avowed. I was looking forward to it. Now that I know the kinda people that made it. I won’t be giving any money to that company. Especially if they don’t object to his racist rants.
How dumb can the Mouthwashing co-founder be? They just got completely free great publicity when the other mouthwashing dev spoke against shaming fanarts of any kind and now this overdramatic fool has to go way out of their way to blanket statement insult people "finding" a completely public game. FFS....
No matter what, victim card should be played.
Its funny that weve been hearing that studios are going to start looking to hide the type of stuff that turns customers away until after release but I just dont think thats possible these days. These devs are usually seething with some sort of hatred towards gamers and cannot wait to "own the chuds" even at the expense of the game their working on.
They dont realize normal people arent like this, I train and teach at a bjj gym and we get people of all colors and kinds and everyone gets along no problem at all but these terminally online people probably couldnt even wrap their heads around that since they have made so many types of people out to be their enemies in their own head
Game devs using social media to incessantly MOAN about the customers who don't share their social beliefs are probably the most emotionally unhinged and immature people I have ever seen. If I ran a studio, I would institute MULTIPLE policies barring any employees from talking about the project, or the industry as a whole, so long as they are working on an un-released project. It is the MARKETING TEAM'S job to MARKET THE GAME. The devs should shut the f*ck up and do THEIR job, which is DEVELOPING THE GAME.
This is very simple, and NO, "freedom of speech" does not permit people to say what they want without consequence. That is a myth. Freedom of speech means you cannot be charged with a crime for speaking your mind in a public forum - that does not mean your company can't FIRE you for saying something stupid while you directly represent said company.
Publishers and studios need to tighten their grip on devs who use their social media outlets as a form of therapy. Letting these un-medicated people jabber about social issues that 50% of their customer base disagrees with is simply irresponsible, because the truth is that CUSTOMERS pay the bills, and it's very easy for them to be directly responsible for getting game studios shut down, and for talented people to lose their careers as a result. Don't poke a bear and then complain when it bites your head off.
If I behaved unprofessionally in my job, by insulting customers. I would be sacked within minutes.
Asmongold played the game and gave positive remarks on it, how dumb of him to say he dont want asmon and his audience to play the game , have he seen how many people tune into asmon's channel on a daily basis? 50K+ imagine if you get half of those people buy your game, now you want them to shoo they away? thats dumb.
because they have integrity and aren't chasing a bag? they are what developers should be.
thats fucking horse shit these people are true to heart aoy boy grifters, MAKE GAMES GREAT AGAIN
@@comyuse9103 holy moly imagine having this much cope
@@valzy2267 'cope' is what you do when you lose, bud. mouthwashing already came out and is already a success.
not to mention, no. chasing profit is how we get shit like FIFA releasing the same boring ass game every year, artistic integrity is how we get good and interesting games.
I feel like it was due to Asmongold having gained a reputation as someone exploiting controversial stuff to gain views from a very right-wing group of people as a source of income as well as the dehumanizing rhetoric forwards Palestinians.
I will still say that the composer shouldn't have gotten involved and just plain ignore Asmongold.
Sadly, I'm not buying/playing the game because of him. And why would they care about a person doing that if you just support the game anyway??
I like that all of this comes to light and they lose it more and more. Those people pushed pretty much everyone right of Mao out of game development, hyped themselves up and radicalized each other in their narrow bubble. Them seeing that most people dont think like them is good. Even for themselves. They clearly are not well or happy. They need to be confronted with the real world to get them back on the ground.
"Hey Fox, if you never play AAA games, why do you spend so much time watching videos where people dunk on the AAA industry?", some may ask me.
"Because it's the best popcorn movie since 'Independence Day' and it's fun to watch the world burn," I say.
Same situation for me. I very rarely play AAA games and I wasn't even interested in the most controversial games of the last few years to begin with.
Last AAA game I played was Doom remake 1, then Wolfenstein remake 1. Not interested in the sequels either.
@@squirrelsyrup1921 Last AAA game I paid anything close to full price for was Fallout 4 in the spring of 2016. I picked up RDR2 for something like 75-80% off on a Steam sale during the pandemic, but that's it for the past eight years.
Why the hell do you want to fight with your customer in public? They just never learn
I am sick of this crap. I am LGBT and I never asked for any of this BS. And now I persoanlly get hate and threats because of this bloody culture war that I never asked for or wanted any part in. I happily played both Geralt and Lara and i didn't care about eithers pronouns and I don't need representation in fictional worlds, because I already exist in reality, representing myself.
Can those bloody developers as well as the "anti woke crowd" just leave me bloody alone and in peace! And able to play good games!
The toxic vocal minority, in any group, is the problem on the internet. Some people are just... drama pilled :/
no, you get hate because these people have always hated the queer community.
@@comyuse9103I'd say it's a bit of both.
LGBT as well and fairly centrist here. Bigotry from any aisle isn't something to appease. It just never ever works out. Pronouns shouldn't be an issue; it is simply inclusivity that can easily be ignored and affects nothing in the medium, nine times out of ten. The people who complain about this stuff care more than the target audience ever will and create a fictional hivemind to scream about to justify bigotry. A tiring vocal minority with nothing else better to complain about in their miserable, usually suppression-filled, lives. They need to go outside, actually socialize with some real human beings, and get some fucking perspective, jesus christ. And fwiw, while with less frequency, the same can be said about people who hear Christian and/or Conservative and lose their fucking minds. See the forest AND the trees.
To add to the consequences brought on by the words of one dude, think about the individual employees and how they might feel about this. Like, imagine you work really hard to perfect a skill so that you can pursue a career. You went to uni for it or you took courses and spent hundreds of hours to make sure you are as good as you can be. And it pays off, you get hired at a big company, working on a product that you think is really good. You cannot wait for people to experience the product that you have worked hard on, and also worked hard to even be a part of.
And then someone like Matt comes in and spews his garbage on the internet. Your work will not be appreciated by many simply because of the words of one dude. You might risk losing your position because your project does poorly as a result of the words of one dude. But also if you happened to be say, a person of colour, now you're a prime target for the real bigots. They will now say that you don't even deserve your position, that you just got there because of your skin colour. This could even make you yourself think that you aren't actually good at your job, that you're just there because you happened to be a certain way.
There is just simply no good that can come out of situations like this. The hateful people will be even more hateful, and the more rational people will feel pushed away because they don't want to support smth made by a mad dumbass. The project is more likely to flop, employees are more likely to lose their job, and a group of people might even lose their motivation outright.
I refuse to give my money or even waste my time with a product from a company that let their emploees spit on my face...
Jaffe is dumb. "Grifters" can't ruin a good game, and boy have they tried. "Grifters" tried to destroy Black myth Wukong, Stellar blade and space marine 2.
which "grifters" are you talking about though
@@MattznickThe worst ones. 😉
none of these people had ever had their egos checked. They were always told they were amazing and perfect just as they are and now they are incable of dealing with any kind of criticism
Its weird because Wrong Organ was like, guys stop attacking artists you dont like. We dont need you in this fandom, giving a good look for the team. Followed by the next day, a different person on the team goes in the opposite direction insulting "anti woke" for finding their game and saying they are sick from the thought.
yeah i'm a very liberal person and i really don't understand his crash out. I mean surely he knows that art/creations made online WILL be used/liked by everyone including people you don't like or even down right hate. And using "woke" in any serious manner wether it is pro or anti will always ALWAYS get a chuckle outta me 😂
Yeah they JUST got great PR from it. That dude is an idiot through and through... if he has no energy for it, why did he invite exactly that? .... Some people are hopeless.
My one cent was hes purposely going rouge
Obviously he hasnt been fired on the spot, so obsidian supports this behaviour and ideology
I’m completely with you, if a company is against my values, pushes an agenda and tells me to touch grass. I’ll not give them my money. It’s that simple.
A great crab once said,'The money is always right!'
That crab's voice actor was also the villain from Highlander and the drill sergeant from Starship Troopers. Iconic!
@@squirrelsyrup1921Whaaat? Sam Fisher voiced Mr. Krab? 🤯
Ironside has always been great 😉😎🤟
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!
Develop stupid games,
Bang on about woke stuff for years knowing it does nothing, changes nothing, and by the looks of things makes things worse, win money by going on about it, but never create new media and never prompt or talk about indie games, case in point no one's given this game any attention only when it's the money train hour here comes the million and one videos.
@@jamesmorris7844This whole movement made me wary of non binary people specifically they always turn out to be crazies. There are normal gay bi trans (although they tend to be a little on the crazy side too) people around that just mind their own business and live their lives but when it comes to nonbinary people they are always crazy.
@@jamesmorris7844 Wow - did you get that verbatim from Asmon? I highly doubt you came to this conclusion yourself since you lack critical thinking skills.
@@BoneQueefPlease, go play Veilguard instead of defending it.
In Spanish we call these people bocachancla and I think it's beautiful.
Means flipflop mouth, a person who talks too much and in the wrong moment. That's exactly what these devs do and thanks to twitter for all of us to see.
As a Nigerian, and a PC gamer, it's genuinely baffling how toxic identity politics has tainted western games industry and marketing as a whole😕 Why do these people do this? As a game developer shouldn't you be working to ensure you actually sell your products instead of antagonizing potential customers? Here, we have tribalism but not tobthr degree that it hurts businesses or profits! The owner of the first private oil refinery here is a Muslim but he never infused his religion into any of his businesses and avoids tribalism because he wants to remain wealthy and sell to as many people. Why is hard for modern westerners to be like that?!
This is why PR teams exist.
Exactly, except even that's broken in this industry with community managers getting political and insulting people, and the larger AAA PR and marketing teams having to lie and trick people into being ok with greedy practices, no wonder everyone's so annoyed.
@@cikame Was about to say just this, yeah - one of the problems that enables the clusterfucks we're seeing is that the cultish crazies did a form of regulatory capture by getting hired onto and gradually taking over the public-facing sides of companies such as PR. Therefore, the people who're supposed to handle this and put a stop to any foos running their mouths and ruining company rep, are ideologically compromised, and enable it instead.
They might not do their jobs. They should have a meeting and state there is a blackout period and devs should stay away from social media. Only allow them to quote the office PR messages.
If not the PR team than some other corporate authority should do it.
On the other hand we have seen community managers who at least should have PR training in adding gasoline to a fire.
I believe there might be talented people in Obsidian who do not work under Matt supervision who sadly will suffer for what he did.
PR team is usually the one who insult people
@ Then they hired a pr team.
They do it so often that you think they are intentionally sabotaging their own games so they can just blame the audience instead of being criticized for their incompetence if their games get panned.
Honestly though I disagree I don't think anyone should be aiming to make a game for everyone there's a reason why demographics exists. Of course there are games that come out and that were created for specific demographics and then end up becoming massive successes. But you have to have an initial audience in mind it's just like with anime they got kids, Shonen, Shoujo, seinen, and josei.
It's one thing to aim your game towards a specific audience.
It's another matter when you're publicly hostile and hateful towards audience that you arbitrarily decide is "not worthy".
And for works that aim to have some actual social impact, for example by presenting complex or uncomfortable topics, this approach is counterproductive, in that it can have an opposite effect than desired.
You want to increase acceptance of trans people with your game? Great, just make sure not to chase off people who are already not accepting of trans people. Because paradoxically, those are the people that you should be the most interested in reaching. At least if you genuinely want your work to have real positive impact.
@Astrotripper2000
Well put, dont include people and make their race, sex or gender their entire being. Personally I believe its like 80 to 90% the fault of the writer if they arent being manhandled by dei corpos forcing them to write a certain way. Literally no one has a a problem with a characters sex or gender. Look at ff16
@martiano13bros that's a fact do you know how many video games I've played and TV shows I've watched gay characters in them and I didn't give a shit The Originals Teen Wolf From the outer worlds Mass Effect Dragon Age games today is just all about pushing a narrative in your face even if you don't care about that narrative. Now I'm worried for the outer worlds 2 because legit part of the reason I bought my steam deck was so I could play that game when it eventually releases now I'm not sure
@@Astrotripper2000 exactly.
I've watched a couple playthroughs of this by other youtubers and thought about playing it myself. Not buying it now. To hell with them
I've been trying to think of a quick and easy way to sum up how i feel about all these situations and i just remembered the tried and true "you have a right to not be offended".
The Mouthwashing dev is going to have an awful career if he can't come to terms with the fact that people with differing opinions will play his games, that simple fact is going to ruin his life.
Also this problem isn't limited to just videogames. Any provider of a service or product can easily tank their own company by badmouthing and tantruming against potential customers.
I don't understand how this people cannot get that we don't wanna this woke shit in out games. We do not care what your ideals or morals are, we want you to deliver us a good product. It's simple.
While I love redemption stories like CP2077 or NMS, I'd rather get a semi perfect game for they price they're selling it since day one.
isn't CDPR woke though? That's what i keep seeing people say 🤔
@Mattznick
Let me explain myself a bit more clearly. I don't care if you as a person or organisation are woke per se.
I care when you force that ideology into game creation because at the moment, there hasn't been a woke game that has been successful.
I don't want to play a game that berates me for being a white straight guy. I don't want a game that makes me the bad guy for not accepting the new ∞ "genders" out there.
I want a game that has good writing overall, engaging gameplay, no matter real time or turn based and memorable characters with a beautiful art design, not graphics but style. I don't care if you then add LGBT couples, pronouns in character creation, etc.
I just want a good ole' game like in the previous decades.
@@Andiandrui get what you're saying. but just to understand, what games are you referring to that make the player feel bad for being a white dude? or not accepting more than 2 genders? don't get me wrong there is a lot of forced and disrespectful surface level pandering in some bad games out there but i've never heard of that stuff before
For the sake of argument, I refer to video games as art. So. The whole concept of making a piece of art, putting it out there in the public domain, and then being outraged that "the wrong people" interact with my piece of art, it just boggles my mind. What kind of delusion, what kind of mental illness is this??
I really need progressives to understand that the things that they consider normal and good are pretty weird and annoying to they average person.
that's been the case since the dawn of time. people thought woman's suffrage was annoying, then civil rights were, now it seems to be mainly sexuality focused. People learn to respect others. But Matt Hansen, to me, seems AT BEST weird and filled with rage. So you shouldn't make a guy like that the figure head of liberal values in your head!
@@flats6666 you have got to see the problem with these historical parallels though, surely. I mean it sounds like you've given this some thought. yet you didn't consider the trajectory?? women - 50% of the population. former US slaves - I don't know what percentage back in the 50s but nowadays they're at least 12% in the US. so from the first cause you named to the second there's already a huge drop-off, and I hope we can also agree that this second issue was at least quite severe, in fact it was more severe than the first (don't let the feminists hear this of course, they get all hysterical), somewhat making up for the smaller population size affected. so to recap, you are comparing these postmodern "sexuality" issues to a substantial issue affecting half the population and a huge issue affecting a tenth or whatever. are you sure you want to draw this comparison? is "I'm a man who demands that everyone refer to me as a woman or it would hurt my feelings" really comparable to the problems some women or black americans faced in the past? they make up less than five percent of the population and they already have all the same rights as the rest of us, but they demand MORE. it boggles the mind that left wingers currently seem to believe they are fighting for "civil rights" when they force some christian bakers to contribute to a wedding that goes against christian beliefs. you always spread some wacky stuff but the current crop is particularly crazy.
I feel like it's the same thing with 'celebrities' as game devs or whatever, I couldn't care less what their opinions are, and when they open their mouths it just proves why they shouldn't be taken seriously and it makes me think less of them as a person most of the time. They really should just shut up and do their jobs like most people have to.
I went to a high school that had a dress code and they always told us "Whenever you're out and about wearing our logo, you're representing us." I feel like the same thing applies here. We're these people never told that?
I'm all for developers speaking their minds, in fact I want more of it. Once I hear their thoughts I can assume what the product is going to be like and that makes my decision making easier when it comes to buying games.
Put whatever you want in your game, but for the love of Christ don’t insult the potential buyers
It's just sad how many adults out there have no control over their emotions.
Gotta love youtube auto-deleting my comments for bizarre, eldritch, and asinine reasons.... >__>
Yeah it’s crazy I’ve noticed that more and more recently. It just gets auto deleted without warning or notification
When the comment monster eats my comments, I think I've been too well-conditioned as a gamer because I just sigh like "tech, man." Bugs are the expected norm and that's crept beyond the boundaries of video games.
@SimuLord
TH-cam is a subsidiary of Google, which is heavily left leaning and woke af. Google is owned by the Alphabet company, which is even heavier left leaning and donates to all sorts of DEI nonsense.
TH-cam has a habit of deleting channels or flagging content for "misinformation". They know they can't exactly get away with this with bigger channels like MugThief because then it would be like shining a spotlight on their behavior.
Why give benefit of the doubt when malice is much more likely.
Its so annoying. I do not know what i can write anymore. I keep it really really pg13 but comments keep vanishing or getting shadowbanned so you can only see them by selecting sort by newest.
There's a lot of weird auto-moderation on youtube as a site, I noticed if you use certain words, try to link to other sites, etc, it just gets deleted.
I was actually interested in Mouth washing in all honesty. If I had any money left after I bought the new Stellaris DLC, I was gonna buy it. Don't exactly feel inclined to buy it now that one of the co founders had a meltdown and began screeching about how people like me aren't welcome in the community.
If you look at the promo pic with the 4 characters, pay attention to the archer's hand.
Its a small thing but he is holding the bow string wrong, the bow string isnt in the right place to be held at all, it isnt even touching the arrow.
This is their promotional picture! They chose this to show off how good it looks and got multiple things wrong.
We need more actual game developers that are game players and not all these political and cultural activist.
The advice about blocking something you don't like and moving on is very good in the sense that you cannot control other people, only yourself, and not wasting you time and energy on being upset about such things is very healthy. Feeling upset is valid, but most people are better off by not engaging more with it and just moving on.
I think making art about an existing game is legitimate as long as yu keep it in the proper places for it. There are most likely assholes who want to explicitly hurt people with what they are doing, and those people should not be treated with caution because that can badly hurt a community, but some people use such things to work through their own experiences and trauma, and they shouldn't have to put it all on the table beforehand. And of course, as statet in the video, some people just see a character they vibe with and don't know the context, no thoughts or intentions found there, at least not in regards to that specific context.
In that light I can definitely understand that the response of the developer would be: "Don't like it, don't engage with it, don't gatekeep." But I can also understand that one of the members of the team would feel dread over Asmondgold followers finding the game. I used to watch him, but haven't in a long while, and I think I remember him saying at some point that he tries to make his content in a way that doesn't push away angry and lost viewers and the likes who others would get rid off, because he feels like excommunicating them would only radicalise them more, and giving them someone with clear opinions that may make them think about their lives is more effective. And while I think the stance is a valid and even somewhat noble one, that means that, if this has stayed true, his audience is full of people who will miss nuances and points and have some very questionable opinions on things, and dealing with such things does, indeed, sound extremely tiring and exhausting. You could still argue that you shouldn't make a comment about it on twitter for a multitude of reasons, But at least I don't think it is unreasonable or contradictory.
Also shoutout to the Octopath 2 OST being goated. Have a nice day everyone!
I refuse to give money to people that hate me.
Yeah, in respect to these people (the respect that they didn't have for me) i Will kindly expend my money somewhere else.
This is so based. I worked at Warner Brothers on Velma. Us little production gremlins are the ones who get let go when the writing is garbage or when the creators say stupid things....despite the fact that most of us dislike/disagree with the thing being made or the thing being said.
At first I was pretty annoyed when this happens, but this is so common nowadays that I just expect it. I'm not affected by it anymore, I just go 'oh well...' and then move on.
Btw Mug, are you planning to cover PoE2 or GGG at all with their EA launch being imminent?
Tune in tomorrow for me sharing some very optimistic expectations for it.
@@Mugthief Alright, awesome.
Kinda funny that David Jaffe complains about grifters but he's becoming one himself when all he does is complain about content creators that have valid criticisms about the current state of gaming. What a loser, can't believe a guy like him created God of War. lol
First rule of commerce: Do not insult your customers. They are the hand that feeds you.
Gatekeeping is ALWAYS good. A lack of gatekeeping is why Warhammer 40k and D&D are becoming slop.
It's why MTG is just an advertisement vector that gets other brands slapped on.
Gatekeeping is why Elden Ring is still Elden Ring.
This is just disappointing. Avowed and Mouthwash had the opportunity to break boundaries and become products that are praised for what they are and not who made them.
The fact that these developers lack the mental fortitude of seeing thenself above their victimhood mentality or are capable of having productive social interactions are ruining their year's of work.
I was genuinely interested in buying both of those games.
Social media was the worst mistake our society has ever made.
I'm sad because Avowed actually looked like a game I would play. But its devs behaviour shouldn't be rewarded, so now I'm skipping it.
its cool, i'll gift it to my bff for you.
@comyuse9103 Go ahead. If you think certain behaviour should be rewarded, it's your right.
@@drumroll2716 being anti-chud should be rewarded, yes.
So what you are saying is that Grummz and his ilk can shit on a game with the help of Elon and the devs should shut up and take it? Not sure I agree with that. Even if Hansen handled it very poorly.
Also, game for everyone is a game for no one, something Fromsoft knows very well. Imagine if Dark Souls had an easy mode...
Here is a data point. I was moderately warm on Avowed after some previews. The faces were cooked, but the combat looked fun, I like Pillars, it's on game pass. I would have 100% have played it. Now I won't because I do not want to support people who hate my guts. Not only that I will actively mock the game and discourage people from playing it. I can probably get 5 to 10 people in my group give it a pass. That's a 5 to 1 ratio that you do not get when a game is simply bad. There are levels to not playing something. This ratio is why bad games have more players than the woke garbage. People actively warn other people against products made by hate filled devs.
lol, whatever you tell yourself kid
@@comyuse9103 seething denial
Steam needs to add the tag "WOKE" to games so I won't offend the devs by playing their games.
the user tags already offer some options that produce barely any false positives. like why would a game have the "LGBT" tag if the devs weren't wokies who injected their cult beliefs heavily into the game? pretty much doesn't happen so it's safe to filter those games out.
The point you made about artists / employees being representatives for companies; I think the majority of people do not understand to what degree & latitude that it applies. So, if a company has any kind of policy regarding social media, taking to media (reporters, news, publicists etc), then by the sheer act of allowing them to continue without hindrance compared to a nonemployee, means that the company gives implied consent for that employee to act as a representative. They do not have to directly tell the employee that they are being a company rep. An example of how much power that a company rep can have; A company tells an employee to go to an event for the purpose of making new business connections or customers. The boss of the company tells the employee that they are 'to do whatever it takes to get new customers'. The employee goes to the event, and proceeds to make verbal contracts or written contracts that are highly disadvantageous to the company. The boss, when he learns about these new contracts, then tries to say that the employee did not have the authority nor power to make such contracts & whatnot. From a legal stance, the employee was sent for the purpose of the business, wearing company clothes, company media materials, etc. They are a company rep, and those contracts the rep made, are legally binding.
Being a company rep has inane power and huge influence. As mentioned above; if the studio has a social media limitations written into the employment contract (I think nearly ALL contracts have some version of this, even fast food places do it), then allowing it to continue unabated is equivalent of consent. If one of their employees started going off on super hate rants on twitter, how long do you think it would take for the studio to step in and try to silence their social media accounts? Or even just fire the guy to sever all ties. If there is a penalty to posting one thing, and not posting others, then the company has demonstrated it's ability to exercise those social media limitations in their contract. Thus, the whole 'an employee's views are their own' falls flat immediately.
Great video mug. I appreciate you looking at this from a nuanced and mature point of view. Already seen a few people signaling their fans not to get Avowed because of one persons cringe tweets.
Strange take
Seems to be an issue with the whole studio though. And the one person in question, did gleefully hint at the game being strongly agenda driven.
@@galaxybrainkid1222 strange response
I can tell you Avowed would have been exactly the type of game I play. But given the Art Director’s comments and the response of Obsidian (or lack thereof), the game immediately shifts into the „nah, I’m good“ category.
At this point I have a 0 nonsense policy when it comes to this stuff.
Let’s see how much all of this will help the game come its February release. Going up against Monster Hunter Wilds, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and Like a Dragon!
If Microsoft had any sense or control of this situation as this guy's boss, he should have already been gagged via stern warning to protect the rest of his colleagues from this pr nightmare.
Deliver half-assed crap and insult the people you want to pay for your products, seems to be the standard tactic of today's video game industry.
I just don't get this self-destructive behavior. Like the Dev of Little Goody Two-Shoes that started running his mouth during pride month. there was no reason for it. the game was not even "woke" it's an homage of 90s CLAMP style yuri anime with zero "modern audiences" messaging. Now people just assume it is woke slop because the dev himself is trying to "market" it as if it is also telling people not to buy it.
I keep seeing more and more devs sabotaging their own sales and its pure insanity.
I imagined people in the marketing dept facepalm the entire day.
Yeah, I don't give 2 craps about someone's personal politics. But when they broadcast it, and further inject it directly into the games they are making, which is exactly what several of these folks are doing, now I judge them and the product accordingly. They have no one to blame but themselves. Their actions, their consequences.
If I were on the board of investors at Microsoft, and saw the Art Director of Obsidian killing Avowed in real time, I'd begin a lawsuit that day. Also broadcasting and advocating illegal hiring policies.
Yep. I used to enjoy Stephen King's books. Haven't touched one since he went full TDS. I am English, still put me off.
Ever ask why so many people who hates gamers work in the gaming industry?
Oh god the balatro musik in the backround made me question my sanity. I thought i lost it completly for like 5 min. I have heard it way to long
It is extremely difficult to please every gamer. The games industry is a form of art yet it's also about pleasing the customers.
Not sure there is any point of this video existing. Its the problem of developers, not ours. If developers don’t mind ruining their own reputation - more power to them, we don’t need to know the mechanics of it all. We are the mere *customers*, after all
It's a bizarre situation because Gina Carano was not blatantly racist like the Avowed guy, but she lost her job, meanwhile the dude remains employed
I'll be an example of someone who wouldn't have bought mouthwashing had I known the devs disliked me, I have no reason to support them despite the fact I like the game a lot.
Mug you hit the nail in the head. I don't get how this mad Twitter users don't understand that they are endangering a lot of people livelihood with these outbursts. I would never do such a thing. I like my salary as it is, possibly higher if the company does well.
Oh, and I fucking hat every single one of our customers that can't even process what they need or check that what we are offering is suitable. But I will never go the extra leg to tell them because it would be so fucking stupid.
It's definitely going to impact sales. This is the type of game I would usually instantly buy but I will wait for a discount or for people to play it and tell me it's really really good. I won't let someone saying dumb things on Twitter stop me enjoying a game, but it is enough for me to hit the brakes and wait and gather more information.
Correction having an unhinged director does not mean people working for this person need to agree. They might be boiling inside but do what they are told as it is what they are being paid for, they simply will say nothing as if they do they paint a target on their backs. Do not extrapolate higher up individual opinion on the full team.
With that said, it might be that he created a team of so called “yes sayers” so people who never object or challenge ideas.
we can be thankful that those developers doesn't work in the food industry
I would love to hear Emil's thoughts on Megalopolis while reminding him movies are hard to make.
I'm no developer but I am working on something which involves many characters. I would like some of them to be gay, not in a way that's obnoxious or all consuming, but it's looking like that would just be a bad idea and I think that's kinda sad
I don't disagree with the idea that games should be for everyone, the problem is in the finer details though. It's been said before that "A game for everyone, is a game for no one" and in some capacity that's true. In a lot of ways Veilguard has been watered down compared to previous entries, the "edge" sanded off, and while that may make it more palatable, it also alienates a group of people that wanted the darker, bloodier story. For me personally, I'd rather a developer find their category(ies) of game that they want to develop, really hone in on that, and push it to the world. Rather than send out a game that feels as generically applicable as a bethesda game, with the same shallowness of depth.
I really believe that as the years go by, the concept of gaming studios being placed on a pedestal will die. More and more we've seen once amazing devs who have seemed unstoppable get destroyed, Why? Because studios consist of individual people. The same guy that made the dialogue you love in your favorite game probably left the studio and was replaced by someone less stellar. Or the guy who made the best combat mechanics probably got fired for one reason or another.
Studios can only get 4-5 games out before they ultimately start turning sour. Because the people who made those initial bangers are simply gone. The only exception to this rule are Japanese devs as they have an insanse loyalty aspect to their jobs and small indie studios.
Games don't have to be for everyone. Not everyone is into the same genres after all. It is often better to make games only for the target audience than to water down an experience in the hopes of getting people who are not currently interested in the game. Trying to please everyone is a recipe for pleasing no one after all.
It's weird and stupid how these people can just attack their potential customers and encourage them to not buy their games because it's not for them anyway AND not getting fired in the process. I have seen others being let go for something less(like having a different opinion/ideology) and they don't even attack customers, just respectful disagreements. The devs are willing to cover up those people because they have their right opinion(aka as long as it aligns with them) above all else.
Let them sink themselves.
I still think it's fair to call out grifteers while not the reason game fails they disingenuous and don't orient the conversations about why a game failed in the good ways. And these developpers will use that as a cope out since they can just say that grifters are fueling hate instead of taking account of genuine criticism
I've been looking forward to this game for years. I loved the Pillars games. What a disappoint. I couldn't be less interested in playing it now.
I simply do not want to be lectured to in a Video Game. I like to be lectured to at a lecture. While video games can be thought provoking they must be entertaining and/or intellectually engaging. Maybe they should “Rated D for Didactic” to the rating system. At least then it won’t be a surprise attack and I’ll know what I’m spending my money on.
Freedom of speech is a thing. Maybe dont judge the whole game off of a single devs take. Thats on yall m8s
Why not? It's telling of a whole team if they let a dev run round saying stupid stuff in the name of your precious freedom of speech. If it was only "one developer", then said developer should have consequences for what was said.
@ are we saying the whole Hogwarts legacy team thinks trans people are SA performers? Telling…. Makes no sense we banning speech now cause we’re triggered? Pull the panties out of your crack people. Like mug said in this video if you dont like it block it and move on like a grown up
Freedom of speech dont protect you from consequences.
We need new studios that will hire competent developers. All of the biggest names in gaming and media in general, have been gutted out and replaced by incompetent social justice warriors. We can't even buy these games to 'hate play' them anymore. Our message needs to be clear but we also need to act. There are plenty of talented people out there waiting for their break, that will never be hired by these tyrannical woke companies. We need something to change soon or it's over...
If villains attack us, it means we are doing something right.
Proudly non buynary. Waiting for their salty tears when this garbage flops and the studio shuts down.
saying "non buynary" unironically is peak cringe
proudly "non buynary" ? what does this even mean? Here's a legitimate question based off what i'm assuming it means. If, say in the next 5-10 years, nearly all RPGs/MMOs/ or really any game with a character creator and NPC interaction has pronoun options, will you simply never buy/play those games?
@@flats6666 I don't plan to buy what I consider offensive to common sense and especially not RPG that needs good writing and require you to read it.
I might buy some simple looter for some 80% off if it has good mechanics and can be muted and played with my music like Borderlands 3.
@@flats6666 And I'm on PC. Some fails are just too big to salvage, but smaller things like pronouns, flags, wrong romances and the like are fixed by good people doing dei remover mods.
@@Sicarius888 yeah i assumed correctly man. i'm sorry you don't got your shit figured out yet and hopefully you find whatever peace it is that you need!
As someone who doesn't play Dark Souls... No, you absolutely can make a game intended to filter out certain audiences. As a fan of the Warhammer 40K IP, you can absolutely filter out people who want to try to pervert the setting. Making media for everyone is making media for no one.
That being said, these developers who keep trying to exclude an entire ethnicity or gender need to be removed before they poison the well too deeply. I actually didn't like PoE1 and PoE2 much as games, but I did enjoy the IP a lot and bought all of the DLC. I was actually looking forward to Avowed for over half a decade at this point... but how Obsidian is acting on social media has forced me to flag the game as 'Ignored' because I am developing Pattern Recognition from Concord, Dustborn, and Failguard and realizing that this game I was waiting for is probably just... not going to be worth my investment.
I play video games to explore interesting settings and interact with interesting characters. I'm not playing them to be talked down to as if I were a child from people who somehow have less life experience than I do while wearing the skin of a franchise that existed long before they even picked up a pen.